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I  wanted to talk today about Jason Quick's excellent article from Sunday about Greg Oden's training regimen.  No doubt you all have read it.  If you haven't, please do so posthaste!

The main thrust of the article was Oden's rehab progress, but I was more intrigued by the subtext, namely the way Oden viewed and related to Coach McMillan and his job.  Consider the following:

With a morning fog still clinging to the tops of evergreens, the three men began their walk up the steep incline, McMillan and Jensen wearing black stocking caps and Oden in full Blazers practice gear.

Oden did the first third of the hill in side-to-side steps, as if he were guarding a player going baseline to baseline. In the middle section of the hill, Oden jogged backward. On regular days -- Oden does this workout three times a week -- Oden finishes the final third of the hill walking straight ahead. But on this day -- with his coach there to see exactly what his prized player has been doing -- Oden finished the final legs in impressive sprints, once playfully brushing McMillan's shoulder as he passed him.
"I just wanted to basically show him this wasn't easy," Oden said. "I didn't want him thinking that I'm out here doing something that wasn't going to help me out. And it was hard on him. Jay stepped up his game, and said, 'We're going to kill Coach,' and we did. But it was good to get Coach out there, to say, 'Look, this is hard. This isn't easy at all.' "
McMillan said he never doubted Oden was working hard in his rehab, which is in its sixth month. The reports from Jensen and strength and conditioning coach Bobby Medina have been filled with effusive praise of Oden's work ethic.

But after Wednesday's excursion, McMillan admitted he has a new appreciation of how hard Oden is working.

Even with the workout being the feast and the coach involvement leftovers, there's still plenty of meat on those bones.

For one thing, this reveals a largely-unspoken truth about the coach-player relationship:  it is somewhat adversarial.  I'm sure Nate wants the best for his guys.  He certainly wants to see them succeed.  But even though we fans get the warm fuzzies over stories about the team cheering for each other and eating dinner together, the truth is the coach is not their friend.  This is his job.  His livelihood, reputation, and future prospects all depend on winning.   He should reasonably be expected to do whatever is necessary to make that happen.  This is the players' job too.  They can expect to be assisted in areas of the game in which they need to improve.  They can expect to be told what's going right and wrong with their performance.  They cannot, and should not, expect to be coddled or granted special dispensations.  This is a tough league and it's a tough business.  If you are not performing there are literally thousands of players eager for a shot at your position.  It is absolutely your responsibility to be ready, to aggressively pursue your goals, and to show everyone who cares to watch--especially the coaching staff--that you want this and that you're willing to do whatever it takes to achieve success.  That means working harder, longer, and not wasting any opportunities that come your way.

This is particularly true in the case of playing time.  A lot of folks have been wondering aloud why we don't play the 10th-15th men on the roster more, especially as the season winds down.  Some of that is attributable to our desire to see the guys we're curious about, which is natural.  But some of it is also because this entire organization has been conditioned for years to view minutes in a way different than the best, winning teams do.  This stretches as far back as the "Everybody's an All-Star" teams of the early 00's.  We fielded a horde of veterans with distinguished careers, many of whom were on the downside.  The Detlef Schrempfs and Rod Stricklands of the world felt entitled to some playing time.  They shouldn't have to prove themselves all over again.  The Damon Stoudamires and Steve Smiths felt they deserved it too, as they were entering or just leaving their prime.  The culture of experience and earned credit dictated that minutes be distributed for reasons other than strict competition.  It was no accident that one of the first things we had to do while bringing up young guys like Zach Randolph and Bonzi Wells was jettison all of the "name" players.  Then we ended up with the same problem for opposite reasons:  there wasn't enough talent in the middle of the decade.  A bunch of positions were filled by either stopgap players who wouldn't get big minutes on most squads or very young guys who hadn't proven themselves yet (but you had to play somebody).  Now the culture said you gave guys minutes to get them experience or let them learn.  Once again merit had little to do with it.

In neither case was this a winning formula.  The best teams play their best, most productive players the majority of the minutes.  If you can take the spot from one of them it's yours, but if you can't that's about you, and you had better get better if you can.  One of the biggest challenges before this coaching staff has been to change the culture of entitlement brought on by a near-decade of name players and unproven youngsters into a culture of winning...where minutes are taken, not given.  This could not have happened without Brandon Roy and Lamarcus Aldridge bringing enough talent to their positions to make the process meaningful.  But they have shown enough of the way that the rest of the team can fall in line.  We probably have a couple positions where we're still playing guys who otherwise wouldn't merit as many minutes as they're getting, but we haven't filled out the talent roster yet and we're still very young.  (Again, you have to play somebody.)  But this article shows that somewhere, somehow, the message is getting through.

Think about this:  that's Greg Oden being talked about.  This guy was not only the number one pick in the draft, he has been heralded as a once-in-a-generation player at the rarest and most-coveted position on the roster (center).  He's already being talked about in the same paragraph with Bill Russell, Patrick Ewing, David Robinson, and Tim Duncan.  Whether he can actually get there is immaterial...this is what people are saying.  If anyone has an easy, downhill slide into entitlement-land it's he.  And yet look at what he is saying.  "I didn't want him thinking that I'm out here doing something that wasn't going to help me out. And it was hard on him... it was good to get Coach out there, to say, 'Look, this is hard. This isn't easy at all"   This guy wants the coach to know that he's working and that he's willing to battle to get what he wants.  He knows what that relationship and his job are about.  This speaks remarkably of him.  It's incredible at his age and level of hype that he doesn't seem to be distracted a bit...that he sees through it to what is important.  But it also shows that the staff must be doing a remarkable job of conveying what the league is about to these young men who, frankly, have probably grown up with quite a different image as to what the NBA lifestyle entails.  That is no less remarkable than the first, that they are able to get that message and the work ethic across.

We appear to have coaches who are going to set the bar high and not back down from that.  We also appear to have players who are going to fight whoever is necessary--be it themselves or the coach--to get over that bar.  That speaks well of what we're eventually going to be able to do to our opponents.

This also shows, I think, why some of the calls to give certain players rest and give others time are falling on deaf ears, and rightfully so.  At this point in our maturation as individuals and as an organization we're trying to get beyond that...to make the leap from a developing team to a winning team.  If we want the culture to change, realizing that change is still in its embryonic stage, the cost of changing the ethic might not be worth the reward or the message sent.  I'm sure we'll reach a time when the culture is so embedded that the repetition of its message is not as critical, but that time might not be here yet.

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

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Interesting analysis
I agree with your conclusions.

I wonder if you are not reading too much into a single comment, though.  Greg is a young man who likes to please people.  That will be especially true of people who are important to him.

So I'm not sure we can conclude that his comment indicates an adversarial relationship -- it may just indicate a desire on his part to please Nate.

For all we know, Greg has been taking some good-natured razzing from some of the other guys for being "carried" by them (how many of us experienced that at some point in the past?).

But your analysis of the shift in team culture re: playing time and professionalism in general is spot on.

I'm frequently right, but always certain

by jscot on Mar 27, 2008 1:26 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I am not confining
the "adversarial relationship" analysis to Greg, nor implying that he has more of an adversarial relationship with the coach than anyone else.  I'm saying that the relationship between every player and every coach in the NBA contains some adversarial elements if it is working correctly.  It's a natural part of the relative positions.  You could view it as being somewhat in the vein the "academic tension" that professors put college students under in order to spur their best efforts if that makes it seem less personal.  And/or you could just look at it as dealing with a boss.

--Dave

by Dave on Mar 27, 2008 2:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I must not have made my minor quibble clear
My objection was not to your idea that there is an "adversarial" aspect to the relationship, nor did I think you were saying it was especially there with Greg.

I just thought you chose a statement to prove the point that doesn't necessarily prove the point.

I'm frequently right, but always certain

by jscot on Mar 27, 2008 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh...OK
But I don't follow then.  Help me out.  Which point?

Sorry to make you explain.  I just must not be reading right.

--Dave

by Dave on Mar 27, 2008 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll try
Greg's comments:
"I just wanted to basically show him this wasn't easy," Oden said. "I didn't want him thinking that I'm out here doing something that wasn't going to help me out. And it was hard on him. Jay stepped up his game, and said, 'We're going to kill Coach,' and we did. But it was good to get Coach out there, to say, 'Look, this is hard. This isn't easy at all.'"

As I understood it, you were saying this shows there's an adversarial component to the relationship.  To me, it doesn't.  Watch this.

"I just wanted to basically show him this wasn't easy," Oden said. "I didn't want him thinking that I'm out here doing something that wasn't going to help me out. And it was hard on him. Jay stepped up his game, and said, 'We're going to kill Josh,' and we did. But it was good to get Josh out there, to say, 'Look, this is hard. This isn't easy at all.' "

Exact same words, spoken about his buddy, Josh McRoberts.  He wanted to show off, to show Josh how hard he was working to get back with Josh and the others in regular workouts.

So I would argue the article doesn't at all prove the sound point you are making.  The only reason it supports the point you are making is because other evidence tells you that there is an "adversarial" component to Nate's relationships with the players.  This article fits as well with a buddy as a boss.

But since your point is sound (as evidenced by many other data points), I'm probably just nitpicking for no good reason.

(hangs head in shame and slinks off into the Scottish sunset -- um, make that rainstorm, as usual)

I'm frequently right, but always certain

by jscot on Mar 27, 2008 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ahhh...I get it
I should have explained that I don't see "adversarial" as negative or acrimonious in this context.  I should have used a more precise word probably, but since I used it I'm stuck with it now.  I guess I kind of view it as the third (and probably healthiest) option in the coach-player relationship trio:  Entitled, Friends, Adversarial.

Entitled would be a situation where you better play me or I'll quit and (or even get you fired).  Coaches sometimes have that kind of thing with their star players, spoken or unspoken (cf. Stephon Marbury/Isiah Thomas or Magic Johnson/Paul Westphal).

Friends would be one of the solutions to the entitled thing, i.e. "I get you on my side and we're close."  It has the advantage of placating the star and probably bringing peaceful co-existence.  I think it can develop into something good and healthy too when there's a fair amount of personal respect (i.e. "I like you enough to let you critique my game").  But it also can develop into a situation where you just can't push somebody or correct them.

Adversarial, to me, means an understanding that you still have to work for me and prove yourself and that my goal isn't exactly what yours might be in 100% of the cases.  In fact you may not like my decision to play you only 20 minutes and you're going to have to work to prove me wrong about that (if you think I am).  Again, the "academic tension" idea fits somewhat I think.  You can like your professor, but they're still the professor, and there's always a little bit of you that's nervous about that relationship...which actually helps you peform.  If you get a "B" on a paper you don't say, "You're obviously BLIND!" or "How could you do this to me?  I thought you liked me!"  Instead you say, "Alright...I'm going to prove to him that I can get an 'A' out of this course!"  There's a little bit of the adversary in that.

However this doesn't mean I think Nate and Coach have a negative relationship.  I assume Greg respects the heck out of Nate if he wants to prove his workout routine to him like that.  I would bet that they both like each other.  (Which would also be a smart career move on Nate's part.)  The praise comes in because somehow Nate and Greg have managed to forge some kind of respectful, maybe even warm, relationship without losing the tension that's necessary.  That's one heck of a tricky balance.

--Dave

by Dave on Mar 27, 2008 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And by the way
blogs RUN on nitpicking for no reason!  And I appreciate clarification or sharpening of my thoughts and/or correction.  One way or another I usually end up repeating these things to other auidences and talking here and/or having to clarify or think more about it helps me not make mistakes twice.

--Dave

by Dave on Mar 27, 2008 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought that's what you meant
by the term adversarial.

Jscot must have hit the scotch too hard last night.

by timg56 on Mar 27, 2008 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sigh....
I knew that was what you meant by adversarial....

I obviously can't figure out how to express what I'm trying to say, since even Tim thinks I've been hitting the Scotch.  When one of my primary lieutenants in my coming world domination thinks that, I've clearly focused my efforts in the wrong place.

I do think you've picked up on a good point, though -- it is good to define what you mean by adversarial.  I understood you, and so did Tim, but not everyone is as brilliant as we are.

(Notice how quickly, despite having to acknowledge my failure, I regain my equilibrium and return to the important things in life -- my own brilliance, superiority, and ego.  That takes a certain skill... though not necessarily one that should be emulated.)

Wait!  I'm bouncing back even further!  I just read your post again!  YES!!!

Maybe you DO see my point.  At least, there's hope here.  Entitlement/Friends/Adversarial.  That's it.  Man, you're good with words.  I'll add Opposition, to help define Adversarial more clearly.  

Entitlement/Friendship/Adversarial/Opposition.

The above quote from Greg demonstrates that we aren't in the Entitlement category.  So it is good evidence for part of your point in your original post.  It also pretty much proves that we aren't in Opposition.

What it doesn't prove, and this is the point I've been trying to make, is that we are in Adversarial, because the same words could be used in Friendship (as I tried to show with the Josh McRoberts example).  So across the whole range, it shows we aren't on the outside limits, but we could be in either of the middle categories.

Other evidence shows that there is an element of Adversarial in coaching relationships on the team.  It may move back and forth between Adversarial and Friendship, at times.  But this incident doesn't really provide any evidence to distinguish between them.

Yes!  That's it.  Nitpicking lives on!  Surely everyone will see what I'm saying now.  My own faith in my brilliance and superiority is restored (ego was never in doubt).

I'm frequently right, but always certain

by jscot on Mar 28, 2008 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

P.S.
Tim, you're fired.  Again.
I'm frequently right, but always certain

by jscot on Mar 28, 2008 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here we say
"My chidren are my children, not my friends." Parents are like coaches too.
A gatherins of sheperds, and one dead sheep.

by amlmart1 on Mar 28, 2008 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Understood
I don't have any choice here. I got what I got and I should Parent them to be the best that they can be. Using Entitlement/Friendship/Adversarial/Opposition techniques to my end.

Without Nate's advantage of trades and cuts!

"The Team with Caricature!"

by Lizzy Lowblow on Mar 28, 2008 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Praying Mantis
Parents destiny is to be devoured by their sons and/or daughters. Nature is smart and inject to parents a kind of drug, so they feel a kind of pleasure while are sacrified, they even may feel themselves giving a sense to their lifes. Is something like Praying Mantis reproduction strategy, when the female devoures, literally, the male, and the male don´t leave.
A gatherins of sheperds, and one dead sheep.

by amlmart1 on Mar 28, 2008 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly!
I do feel like a male mantis (prayin' for my life).
"The Team with Caricature!"

by Lizzy Lowblow on Mar 28, 2008 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

adversaries
I'm saying that the relationship between every player and every coach in the NBA contains some adversarial elements if it is working correctly.

A famous example: the stories you hear about Greg Pop going after Tim Duncan during practice in front of the other players.

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by Ben. on Mar 27, 2008 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pop and Timmy
Have also established a relationship that allows this. These techniques are helpful. If that is understood, they work much better.
"The Team with Caricature!"

by Lizzy Lowblow on Mar 28, 2008 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That Quick article was encouraging all around
To read that Oden was able to push that hard and that he was pushing that hard was great.  Then, hearing that Nate was willing to take time to go work out with him to see how he is doing but also to make sure he is not feeling separate from the team was fantastic.

And I didn't really put the sense of entitlment vs working your a@@ off to succeed together but it is certainly there.  It sure looks like we have a core group of guys who possess NBA star level talent, who want to win, and who are willing to work hard to achieve success.  I can't wait to see where it takes us.

by tssbro on Mar 27, 2008 7:19 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This includes the whole organization
Coaches and Management.

"The Team with Caricature!"

by Lizzy Lowblow on Mar 28, 2008 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your comment about having
"...coaches who are going to set the bar high and not back down from that." defines one of the many reasons I love having McMillan as our coach.  As far as I was concerned, the fortunes of Blazer world became automatically brighter the day McMillan signed on as coach.   I really want to see him win at least a couple of titles and I think he's just the guy to do it here in Portland.

by timg56 on Mar 27, 2008 7:31 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

great post dave
I couldn't agree more with your point of view on this one. I whole heartedly agree that Oden has shown time and time again that he is everything we were hoping for and more... Remember the one thing we kept hearing before the draft, "he doesn't have the heart or desire that Durant has"... HA! I scoff at that. Oden has shown INSANE amounts of heart, going on road trips, working his butt off to get healthy like this. He is going to be a force to reckon with AND I WOULDN'T TRADE HIM FOR DURANT IN A MILLION YEARS!!!

by mark twain on Mar 27, 2008 8:49 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Fantastic post
"Life is a meaningless sequence of events in between Blazer championships"

by broggerboy19 on Mar 27, 2008 9:02 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Good Post, first reply
This is my first post/reply on this site. I have really enjoyed reading the posts thus far. I think that what we see in Greg Oden is a man who was raised by his mother who taught him to respect others and be grateful for what he has. Oden knows what it means to work hard and respect those around you. Let's just hope he doesn't change that.

I cannot wait to see him throw down next season.

by przybillafan on Mar 27, 2008 10:09 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Welcome to the site!
Your nick made me think of this: don't underestimate the effect of Przy's recent good play is having on Greg. He knows the spot is his to take, but it won't be a given.

by jamon51 on Mar 27, 2008 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A coach must lay the hammer down on his players...
 . . . if he wants to get better performances out of them.

On an unrelated topic, it looks like the diary etiquette repraisals have resulted in better, more thoughtful diaries lately.
Not sure why I mention that here. Coincidence, really.

Did you really put stuff on top of the eggs? Like, for real? He put . . . HE PUT THE LIGHT BULBS ON THE BOTTOM!

by QualityPie on Mar 27, 2008 10:30 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Where is My Mind?
I read the Quick article and came away thinking something totally different.  Not that I think this line of thinking is wrong.  I thought the article was kind of inspirational and had a lot of hope for the future.  I walked away from the article humming "Three Little Birds" by Bob Marley.  The coaching component never crossed my mind.  Great post though, thanks for sharing and putting a different spin on things.
The square on the hypotenuse is equal to the sum of the squares on the other two sides.

by tominhawaii on Mar 27, 2008 12:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I just took it that GO wanted to impress Nate.
I'm sure he was pleased by Nate's burning lungs and sore legs as much as his comments after the run.
Who do you want in charge when it's 3 a.m. and someone needs a diary?

by MiledAnimal on Mar 27, 2008 1:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Well said Dave
This was essentially what I was thinking about a few days ago when we were talking about resting guys.  I'm thinking rest for what?  We have the off-season coming!  I mean I don't want to see anybody get hurt, but it's time to get past that draft pick bench play.  

It's time to break these guys get away from thinking that's how the season goes.  It shouldn't be; "Try hard for awhile and if we're falling short, we'll tank the rest of the season to see what we've got."  

A culture of competition, a desire to give it all every night, and realize what it takes over 82 games, will lead to a successful future.  

Guys getting playing time can be earned in practice and in the weight room.

"Stick a knife in 'em, their done!" ~ Mike Rice

by courtsideerrandboy on Mar 27, 2008 1:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Embedded reporters and adversarial relationships
Well, I thought the article was a nice "warm and fuzzy" piece about Oden's recovery.  I'm glad Oden's making great progress; that Nate is involved; and that a college sophomore shows respect for his elders and employers.

I do have to wonder whether we'll ever see any "hard" reporting from the Oregonian (or any other paper/reporter).  The Blazers have certainly managed to make the Big O part of their PR machine so far.

While I enjoy these fluff pieces on the various players (Oden, Pryzbilla, and Blake of late), have the reporters sold their souls to be on the good side of Nate and KP?

The "reporting" on the Darius Miles' saga was questionable at best (a hatchet job by Canzano and a foreshadowed snow job by Quick).  I kind of miss the good ol' days when there was at least a bit of adversarial tension between the press and the Blazers.  Not that every question/report has to be negative, but let's at least be able to ask questions rather than be fed PR pap.

Nate will make coaching mistakes; KP will make a bad trade; our angelic corp of Blazers will make bad judgments on and off the court.  I expect reporters to ask questions and report on the full spectrum of activities rather than cranking out the story the Blazers want.

It's fine for the Blazers to control their announcers, their Web-site, and their paid advertising, but I want to see the reporters report and that often requires an adversarial exchange rather than a fed story.

by vcubed on Mar 27, 2008 4:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking of the flip side of this.
As in, did this happen specifically FOR the cameras?
From not just the Blazers' P.O.V., but specifically from Nate's and, VERY emphatically, Oden's position,
was this a demonstration for the public, to let US (not Nate) all know that, during his year off,
Oden is working his fanny off, earning every last dollar of his contract,
and emphatically NOT having the same sort of rehab year that Darius had so recently?

I gotta think that Oden wanted US, moreso than Nate, to think well of him.
That may sound rather cynical, except for how disarmingly sincere Oden is
in his "Gosh, I can't believe the opportunity, the blessings, the LUV" demeanor.

Did you really put stuff on top of the eggs? Like, for real? He put . . . HE PUT THE LIGHT BULBS ON THE BOTTOM!

by QualityPie on Mar 27, 2008 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is it bad
for Oden to want us to think well of him, even if that is why this happened?  

Oden is a person who likes people and wants to be liked.  He isn't trying to get us to think good things about him that aren't true.

I would much rather have that attitude than the one that says, "I don't care what people think, I'm going to do what I want."

I think, though, for Greg this was primarily about pleasing Nate.  I think someone in the organization, on hearing that Greg was going to run Nate into the ground, thought it would make a good story for the public.  It did.

I'm frequently right, but always certain

by jscot on Mar 28, 2008 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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