Weekend Question
A question crossed my mind as I was driving around today.
It's pretty much a guarantee that the Sonics are moving now and that Seattle isn't getting another NBA team for a long while, if ever. As many have pointed out, maybe some Seattle fans, because of proximity and because we're semi-likely to do well in the near future, would adopt the Blazers. If the front office is banking on this, though, it's sure to occur to someone that the "Portland" label could be a bar to that adoption.
Certain teams--the New England Patriots come easily to mind--have adopted regional names instead of city-specific ones. If somebody in the front office got the bright idea to change the name of the team to the "Pacific Northwest Trailblazers" or some such thing to make it easier for Seattle to embrace the Blazers, provided they still stayed and played exclusively in Portland, how much would that bother you (or not)? Would it make a difference?
Note I'm not talking about whether "Pacific Northwest" sounds good...they'd figure out an exact name later. I'm just saying if they re-named the team something more regional sounding, whatever that may be, how much of a difference would that make to true Portland fans?
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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watch the road
by bow4meow on Mar 21, 2008 11:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I know a couple of blazer fans from Oregon
by tweener on Mar 21, 2008 11:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No way
Besides Portlanders have something that borders on obsession with their team, it's the only major sports team in the city. It's something unifies a very individualistic, and somewhat yuppie tinged city across it's diverse ethnic and economic lines. This team belongs to Portland and no other fan base embraces a team like we do. During the game, the trivia question what did March 21st mean to the Blazers, and the answer was the 800th straight sellout. Mike Rice mentioned that across the league they have never heard of anything that comes close. To muddle it's association with the city (and that's what regionalizing the name would do), would be to me and I'm sure many others a breach of loyalty, showing no respect to fans after so many years of steadfast support.
I mean if the first thing people thought when they heard the Pacific Trailblazers was Seattle wouldn't you be offended?
Maybe in time, Portland will become more of a world city like San Francisco, LA, Chicago, and NYC. But right now, it's still Seattle's sleepy eco-friendly liberal little brother. One of the things that distinguishes us from them, is this team, taking that away is taking away part of Portland's identity.

by Dheepan on Mar 21, 2008 11:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah you got that right
by RipCity on Mar 22, 2008 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if the reason the Michael Weiner program
by annthefan on Mar 24, 2008 2:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe...
Otherwise, it's a slap in the face to the entire city of Portland, that has supported this Blazer team through thick and thin (and it got very, VERY thin there, for a while).
Let an entire city (that doesn't care enough about basketball to even try to keep the team they have) hop on the bandwagon right before we're primed to run up a bunch of championship banners? Even claim that they were part of the climate change that caused the Blazers current success?
How could a true Blazers fan NOT be insulted at the very idea?
But I've never seen anyone suggest that the Seattle Seahawks that played in the Superbowl a few years back ought to be shared with Portland market. So why give Seattle any of the Blazers?
by Majikj0n on Mar 21, 2008 11:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That is an excellent point
Northwest Seahawks? Northwest Mariners? Seattle would just laugh at the thought.
by Blazerholic on Mar 22, 2008 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
I'm with Mortimer on this as well. Maybe if the Blazers were only a few years old I would not mind. I am sick of the Angels changing their name.
by tominhawaii on Mar 22, 2008 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boy, that's a tough one...
But more importantly, we're still the only game in town. Seattle still has Seahawks and Mariners. If the Blazers lose the "Portland", the name "Portland" won't ever come up in sports.
On the other hand, that would help give us a very large fanbase and increase merchandise sales and sellouts at the Rose Garden.
However, I've been to the Supersonicsoul and Sonicscentral when they've discussed it and the vast majority are apathetic to the suggestion, and would boycott the NBA altogether.
by Blazerholic on Mar 21, 2008 11:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No way, man.
No, we aren't a large, cosmopolitan city, but we have an identity and our pride. Trying to please everyone seems kind of weak and would definitely be jumping the shark.
by jamon serrano on Mar 22, 2008 12:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ummm...
by GustyJ on Mar 22, 2008 12:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I live in Seattle
Go Blazers and Sonics!
by blazerbill on Mar 22, 2008 12:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No chance
The next step is to play 5 home games a year in Seattle.
The next step....
You only do this if you are the biggest market in the area whose name you are taking. We could become the Oregon Trailblazers (as per Utah Jazz), and that would work fine. The problem with that is it excludes Vancouver, etc., and people in Southwest Washington probably identify more with "Portland" than with "Oregon".
If you want to draw on the Seattle market (we don't need them to sell out the Rose Garden, but there's lots of other money to be had), sell the rights to watch Blazer games up there for cheap. The key is not revenue the first 2-3 years, it is wide exposure, so anyone can watch without hassle (does this sound familiar?).
After watching this team for 2-3 years, especially with Brandon Roy, and perhaps with Martell playing a key role, there will be lots of Blazer fans in Seattle.
We don't need to change our name.
by jscot on Mar 22, 2008 12:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmmm
by lee3022 on Mar 22, 2008 2:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What an idea
Oregon and SW Washington are already in the Blazer fold. Now, it comes to maximizing revenue. If that means less exposure, too bad.
But to win over new fans, you need more exposure, not less. Consider it advertisement. You spend to advertise, and introduce loss leaders, then once you have the customers, you maximize the revenue you can get from them. That's business.
Except that the Blazers lost a lot of Oregon and SW Washington in recent years, and they ought to be trying to get those fans back. I believe the current Comcast situation was a short-sighted business decision, too.
From a strictly hard-headed business standpoint, it would have been better to take less revenue for the next couple of years to ensure wider coverage, and get the fans back. After that, and when we're making our championship run, they could have virtually named their price. As it is, they are alienating some fans with the current situation.
by jscot on Mar 22, 2008 3:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
don't overthink.
by ignacio on Mar 22, 2008 12:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Patriots are a completely different situation
The Golden State Warriors are probably a pretty good parallel. They play in Oakland, which is usually second fiddle to San Fransisco, but the team is still usually recognized as Oakland's team by fans that actually know where the heck they play. If it ended up like that, I'd probably be a bit upset at first, but I'd get over it.
Of course it could also end up like the Tampa Bay Devil Rays. For those that don't know, "Tampa Bay" is not a city, but a region. The three main cities in the area are Tampa, St Petersburg, and Sarasota. Of the three, Tampa is easily the biggest and most prominent. The Devil Rays actually play in St Petersburg, but even most MLB fans probably think of that the same way NFL fans think of the Patriots playing in Foxborough (or the way NBA fans would think of it if the Blazers played in Gresham). If it ended up like that, I'd be pissed and probably wouldn't get over it.
There are factors pushing in both directions. Oakland may be play second fiddle to San Fran, but it has a good bit more national identity than Portland... and significantly more national identity without the GSW than Portland without the PTB. On the other hand, the whole Tampa/Tampa Bay thing can be confusing and St Petersburg is right next to Tampa instead of a couple hundred miles up the interstate.
Overall though, I'm mostly thinking like Dheepan.
by Gargen on Mar 22, 2008 12:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think they were transformed from Devils
by lee3022 on Mar 22, 2008 2:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Screw 'em
by robrun2 on Mar 22, 2008 1:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Along similar lines
This way disenfranchised hoop fans in New Jersey - as well as those who have never had a team in Connecticut - could be regionally identified with an NBA franchise.
More importantly, however, this could help disperse the toxic stench that's currently concentrated in midtown Manhattan by allowing it to spread over a much wider geographic area.
by knickfan on Mar 22, 2008 1:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
New Yorkers
(we all know who is likely to respond to this)
by jscot on Mar 22, 2008 6:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kansas City tried this with Omaha
by lee3022 on Mar 22, 2008 2:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Can you imagine
or how about North by North West TrailBlazers? A bit long yes but funny! Its just not possible. Firstly why then should the Blazers be the ones to change to a regional name and not the Seahawks or the Mariners? The SuperSonics leaving the area is gonna boost Blazer sales which can only be good for us.Right?
by VinnyB on Mar 22, 2008 3:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
uhhh
by dcblazer on Mar 22, 2008 5:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Shoe on the other foot
I'm not opposed to a regional sports network that would carry all the local games, but keep Portland in the name. It will be a generational shift for Seattle fans anyway.
by skyman375 on Mar 22, 2008 6:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Different Perspective
I graduated from WSU... now I cheer for anyone in the PAC-10. Even the California teams.
I know it feels like there's a huge difference between Seattle and Portland but living out of the area for an extended period of time makes you understand that the whole region has a special identity.
From that standpoint, I'm all for this concept. I think it'd be a great gesture. I'd prefer that it didn't include guest appearances at Key Arena for some "home games" but otherwise I'm very cool with this concept.
by Fizbin on Mar 22, 2008 7:24 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The team should now,
But no, forget about forming ties to our hated Starbucker's to the north.
by TwoDeep on Mar 22, 2008 8:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I was going to post the Oregon Trailblazers idea
I agree with someone up above, if they change the names of the Mariners and the Seahawks first, then I might agree to a regional name.
by coreydm on Mar 22, 2008 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not now

by Philthyanimal on Mar 22, 2008 9:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would like to know if there's precedence.
I can't think of any, but if there's one out there, I'd sure like to know who it is.
Also, I'd nominate "The Oregon Territory Trail Blazers".
Bring it back to when the states of the region had a singular identity,
a time invoked by the very name "Trail Blazers", clearly referring to the Oregon Trail.
by QualityPie on Mar 22, 2008 10:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Waitaminnit . . .
[goes to check]
Yep! Formed as the Boston Patriots of the AFL in 1960, they changed to the New England Patriots in 1971, when they moved
to Foxborough (which is a Boston Suburb--they're still as Boston as the Pistons are Detroit, out in Auburn Hills).
I'd say that worked out okay for them.
Their Boston status was impaired not one dribblin' whit by the moniker change.
by QualityPie on Mar 22, 2008 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why should we change?
by KPin2008 on Mar 22, 2008 10:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's not...
But as a Portlander, my fear of homogenizing The Blazer name to represent a region comes from the unpredictability of the future.
A decade ago who would of thought The Sonics were vulnerable and would someday leave Seattle? Paul Allen has bought The Rose Garden, The Portland Trail Blazers are on the rise, things are good in Portland.
But 10 years from now? Who knows what future might develop. I just think it's a potentially a slippery slope.
Part of it is purely selfish, I do want The Blazers to remain Portland and Oregons team. I'm afraid if you start by widening the identity to represent a region or multiple states then it could become the first step in instability.
Someday, what if Paul Allen does decide to sell? Someday what if new owners are looking at a smaller market Portland with an aging Rose Garden and an open market in Seattle that maybe at that time has built a new stadium or agree's to do so?
If we are simply "The Trail Blazers" and not The Portland Trail Blazers, haven't we greased the skids of potential movement?
I'm sorry for Seattle Sonics fans, it's a raw deal for them. I'm willing to share The Blazers if they want to be fans. But I'm afraid my generosity ends with tweaking the name to make them feel better. IMO if you want to be a fan of The Trail Blazers you just are going to have to accept that they are The Portland Trail Blazers.
It's a paranoid look at the future, and I'm not saying any of that negativity would happen, just saying it could. I'm just going to feel better if we keep the name stable.
by Krang on Mar 22, 2008 10:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This sound like a crazed

"The Team with Caricature!"
by Lizzy Lowblow on Mar 22, 2008 11:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Can we get a "swear exception" here?
Let's list out the reasons, many of which are already covered:
1. This is unfair to the people in the city of Portland, who has supported the team through thick and thin. Sure attendance was down during the bad years, but the city still supported them and didn't want them to move.
You could easily replace the word "Portland" with "Seattle" in the above statement and it would be the same. But that's a reason not to move the Sonics, not a reason to change the Blazers' town name.
2. As noted, it won't take long until this turns into "Well, since they're named for the region, we should play [x] games in Seattle each year". It can go downhill quickly from there. That's disconcerting. And it takes games away from the city that supported them and is selling out weekday (!) games for a team not making the playoffs.
This isn't an issue in NE because they play 8 games at home all season (sans playoffs). It's a lot easier to start phasing another city in when there are 41.
- Again, it's not like the Seahawks and Mariners are considering a similar measure, which might make me consider a softening of my stance.
- Do we just rename back if Seattle gets Memphis' or New Orleans' team? That seems dumb.
- This is likely moot because it would be a little... obnoxious for the Blazers to change their town name so quickly after the Sonics leave, as if to say "see, come pay us money!"
by Timmay! on Mar 22, 2008 11:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Sonic fans will turn to the Blazers
If the Blazers were leaving for Ok City would I become a Sonic fan? I think more than likely I would lose interest in the NBA and do something else with my time and money. If I was from Seattle, that something else would be the Seahawks and Mariners.
I don't like the idea of a regional name change but I am from Portland so...
by tssbro on Mar 22, 2008 11:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
true
that said I do watch the seahawks and mariners, but i accept that they're the seattle seahawks and mariners when I do so and offer no quarter on the subject in the opposite direction
by DominicanAvenger on Mar 22, 2008 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
never
by blazero on Mar 22, 2008 1:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No
Point being, Portland held the Blazers hands through all this growing. Adolescence was awkward, but together we fought off all that moodiness and acne. Now we are proud parents just starting to see our oft wayward child succeed. Graduation is just around the corner and we won't want to share our pride and glory with anybody else. Least of all, the selfish neighbor, Seattle, who we already are a bit wary of due to Paul Allen's residence there.
So we're selfish. I want no Seattle influence in my Portland Trailblazer basketball.
by Addicted to Words on Mar 22, 2008 2:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Never!
by lethaldose on Mar 22, 2008 2:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Historically speaking
by jon on Mar 22, 2008 3:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Keep Portland Trail Blazers Name Forever
by billyjoejack on Mar 22, 2008 4:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Keep Portland Trail Blazers Name Forever
by billyjoejack on Mar 22, 2008 4:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's gotta be Portland
by Idog1976 on Mar 22, 2008 5:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Seattle Times Article is still fresh...
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sonics/2003982305_blazers30.html
I'm sorry, i have no sympathy for Seattle losing their team after the Seattle Times had the audacity to publish such a slap in the face article.
by fysho31 on Mar 22, 2008 10:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Low blow
What are the chances that Paul Allen would move the blazers up to Seattle? What would our cities reaction be? I assure you would be the first to grab my torch and pitchfork.
by CroatianSensation on Mar 23, 2008 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sad, Seattle isn't the first...
I'm sad, but I'm over it.
BTW: Read Shaq's comments on this matter in the Seattle PI. http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/moore/355735_moore20.html
Quote: "He said he'd rather play in Seattle than Oklahoma City any day of the week, month and decade." Pretty stupid mistake by the league; it's all about David Stern's vanity. But life will go on.
by irm57 on Mar 22, 2008 11:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Championships not names...
by CroatianSensation on Mar 23, 2008 3:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Green Bay Packers...
by johnv59 on Mar 24, 2008 5:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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