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Darren Collison

All i am going to say if we have a chance to get Darren Collison whe need to jump all over it. Darren Collison is a very unselfish point guard who knows how to distribute the basketball and can shoot the ball. Move Brandon Roy to the #2 guard position to shoot the ball more. With Greg Oden with us next year as young as we are put Darren Collison in there and give him lots of minutes because we have Brandon Roy who can move to the point guard position when Darren Collison is resting. Keep Jarret Jack as a back-up and maybe even Steve Blake. Again grab Darren Collison if we have a chance,he is the perfect fit to play along side of Brandon Roy for us to win a championship. I love my Blazers and i am pleading my case. Please comment and thank you.

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Yes.
I would be very happy if we could get him. He is a steady, smart guard who will put the ball into the hands of the right people and who won't turn it over. There are other players I like too, but I would be thrilled to get him.

by bfan on Mar 17, 2008 10:51 AM PDT   0 recs

looked good in pac10 final
Is that indicative of his season?  I was pretty underwhelmed by Michael Westbrook.  For that matter Kevin Love didn't look all that good either.  Although no one seemed to be able to put the ball in the hoop in that game.

by blazernerd on Mar 17, 2008 10:55 AM PDT   0 recs

Love in Pac-10 Finals
Early on , K-Love apparently tweaked his back to the point that it was causing spasms throughout the remainder of the game. It was a gutsy performance for him to even finish the game, regardless of how the numbers turn out. That being said, his body size is one of my concerns over his future in the NBA. Can his frame handle 270 pounds over an 82 game season?  

by PtownJake on Mar 17, 2008 11:47 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Definitely
Agree...get him if possible. He is the defensive, no -turnover guy we've been waiting for.
"martell and blake make mormons angry"

by prezofdeath on Mar 17, 2008 11:15 AM PDT   0 recs

Watching that UCLA Pac-10 final
I was most excited about his ability to apply fullcourt pressure all the way up the floor.  Yeah, he certainly looked good on offense, but man, his potential to play the Parkers, Pauls, Nashes of the world excited me.  Furthermore, he seems content to be a defensive role player (as opposed to Mayo, Rose, and perhaps Bayless).  If he is there at #13, I would certainly look long and hard at him.

by The Graduate on Mar 17, 2008 11:30 AM PDT   0 recs

Mayo'sa very good defender
..when he tries.  But seriously, he has kobe bryant kind of potential on the defensive end (meaning he can be lockdown if he puts his mid to it).  Anyways, the point is moot, since I'm sure we both agree he's not going to be around at 13

by OregonDuckworth on Mar 17, 2008 9:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Collison's profile on DraftExpress
DraftExpress is, in my opinion, a reputable source for information on collegiate and foreign players.  Here is their profile on Collison:
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Darren-Collison-1149/

I like the report up until the fact that the writer sees him as more of a back-up.  Indeed, the players they do compare him to (Watson and Duhon) are either marginal starters who should be reserves, or reserves.  

Plus, philosophically, I don't like the idea of drafting point guards if the need is immediate.  Point guards often take several years to develop (Paul and Williams being the exceptions).  Around the NBA, we see young point guards like Acie Law who really haven't contributed yet, or guys like Jameer Nelson who took a year or two to get their legs under them.  In fact, a cursory glance at basketball-reference.com shows that point guards really don't come into their own until their second or third year.  Not that there's anything wrong with that.  Just that I don't know how comfortable we're going to be as fans and bloggers if it looks like the rest of the line-up is ready to go, but we still need more time for the point guard to develop.
As of this moment, I think the team's best move is to sign Calderon as a free agent.  Short of that, the team should try to trade for Andre Miller. (I'm from Philadelphia, believe me, he can play ball, plus he'll be a FA at the end of next year, so the Sixers may try to trade him if they feel they can't resign him)

by dp8039 on Mar 17, 2008 12:01 PM PDT   0 recs

Blazers
You may have a point,but i just feel Darren Collison would mix better with the Portland team they have right now. With Brandon and Greg Oden with us Darren is the type of guard who would make everyone better because he sees the floor so well. We need to, if we can get Brandon to the #2 guard position so he can score more for us, and take some of the load off his shoulders, and Darren would be such an asset for Brandon to work with.
BILL MCGEE

by BILLMCGEE on Mar 17, 2008 3:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

agree
i whole-heartedly agree that Roy should be the #2 guard.  
but (and i know this will sound cliche), i like the idea of a veteran presence at point.  from watching sixers games, andre miller is my dream point guard for the blazers and this is why: when i do watch the blazers (which i admit living where i do, is not as much as some of you), they fall into these spells where the wings just hang around the perimeter, either waiting for roy or aldridge to do something.  i think a penetrate-and-dish point guard who also plays good defense is what they need.  reading collison's scouting report on draftexpress and also on nbadraft.net, he seems like that player as well.  (draftexpress takes issue with his strength and speed which im willing to overlook if he can play the position).  my main qualm is that from the looks of things, the Blazers will be ready to go with Oden and the rest of the gang having another year of experience.  If the Blazers can get a point guard who can fulfill their needs immediately without waiting another year or so developing a player who may not pan out at all, I think the Blazers would be best served going for the experienced playmaker who can step in right away.

by dp8039 on Mar 17, 2008 5:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Your dreams....
Maybe you need to see a psychiatrist if you are dreaming of Andre Miller. I mean he is OK but if you are going to "dream" about a point guard, why not dream big. Also, keep in mind that this guy couldn't find a 3 pointer if it came up and bit him in the tokhes.  

by PtownJake on Mar 19, 2008 5:38 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Collison has always been considered very elite...
Last years draft only had like three point guards with first round grades:   Acie law, Mike Conley and Javaris Crittendon.  Conley was the cream of the crop, of course, especially with so many talented freshman and a few super sophmores staying another season.  This is the short list of NBA-prospect point guards for the up-coming draft:  

Juniors: Darren Collison, Scottie Reynolds, Eric Maynor,

Sophmores: Ty Lawson, DJ Augustin, Russell Westbrook,

Freshman: Derrick Rose, Jerryd Bayless, Nick Calathes

Last year, the big FOUR point guard prospects were Conley, Lawson, Augustin, and Collison.  On ESPN college hoops tourney previews last year, Darren Collison was considered to be the TOP point guard in the country by a large majority of panelists.

Obviously, Collison is not a "sexy" pick for the draft since he is so old (tongue in cheek).  Because scouts now know what Collisons game is, and since he is a junior he no longer gets the "upside" benefit that more unknown quantities (see freshman or foreigners in the draft).  But after watching a few games this year with UCLA playing, and then seeing that Pac-10 tourney, Collison, to me, is still the best point guard in college hoops.

Does Derrick Rose or Jarryd Bayless have more upside?... Maybe.  Scouts will say yes.  But if the Blazers DON'T move up in the draft, if they stay where they are at, Portland could land this player who has been considered the top point guard in the college game for two years.  Which means, he has good odds to be ready to get in and contribute earlier than most.  Even if he has a GREAT tourney, and UCLA is a final four or winners, I am not sure that Collison will move up more than spots 13-10, keeping him well within Portlands draft-day reach.

I really like Darren Collison for the Blazers roster, and at their likely 13th draft position.

by Scotty the Mastermind on Mar 17, 2008 12:18 PM PDT   0 recs

He looks solid.
We already have solid in Steve Blake and Jarret Jack.

Read JJ's profile (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jarrett-Jack-9/)

Secondly although he may be quick but he's 6' 1" and 165 pounds. He'll get destroyed by stronger, taller, and more athletic guards.

Bayless (6'3", 199lbs), Westbrook (6'3" 187lbs), and Mayo (6'5" 195lbs) would be my picks if we are going after a PG.

Westbrook would probably be my favorite, he's explosive, quick, athletic, smart and unselfish. He plays well on the break and can finish at the hoop. If he declares this year he will be within Portland's pick.  

He needs to work on his jumper, but I don't think he'd be much worse than Steve Blake at the point.

Mayo would be second, but is probably going to be difficult to get. I don't think he is quick enough to guard the Earl Watson's and Tyron Lue's that destroy us nightly.

I don't see how we're going to get Bayless, and he seems to be too much of a focal point in Arizona to adjust quickly to being the 4th cog on offense.

by Dheepan on Mar 17, 2008 2:19 PM PDT   0 recs

He is solid...
I agree that he is solid, but his ability to manage a game, ability to attack the paint (under control), and shoot the three pointers basically makes him a quicker and more defensive-minded combination of JJ (without the strength) and Blake (without the height).  I am not saying he would be the answer, but I certainly wouldn't at all doubt KP if he picked him at #13.

by The Graduate on Mar 17, 2008 3:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Our problem with the PG spot
All our point guards do something well but have a fatal flaw.

Sergio can run the break but can't shoot or play D and lacks strength and athleticism.  

Jack is strong and has great size for the position with middling athletic ability. He can finish at the hoop, draw contact, and make free throws. However he is terrible at running the break (and loves running into a fully set defense), averages the most TO's off the bench in the entire NBA, and gets burned quite often on D. His shooting is also very streaky.

Blake has the height I want with a point guard with decent strength. He is a good passer, he can push the tempo a bit on offense, hit the open jumper with regularity (especially the three) and now and again he has some runners. He's also a pretty good defender, until you put someone with any type of speed on him.

Blake regularly gets torched by scrubs that are quick. I mean Crhis Paul, Steve Nash, Baron Davis, that's good and fine. But even the Earl Watson's of the league will and have obliterated Steve Blake. This is a huuuuuge hole in Portlands defense, and a part of the reason why we have to resort to putting up smoke and mirror defensive sets. None of our guards are capable of playing defense against quick 1's.

What Portland needs is a PG that combines all these skill sets into one, a Serjackio Rodriguez. Getting a quick point guard may fix one aspect of our defense but may severely hinder other portions.

by Dheepan on Mar 17, 2008 3:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

All you would lose with Collison is ...
Jack's strength. And let's be honest--there are few guards in the league as strong as him. Will Collison you would have Sergio's speed and quickness, Blake's shooting and decision making, and a pretty good positional defender, but not someone you'd want caught guarding Billups on the block. That's probably about the same as 90% of the league, and I'm just fine with that when we have Roy, Aldridge, and Oden. I would love to have the BEST PG in the league, like a Chris Paul or Deron Williams, but that simply isn't necessary to be successful when you look at the rest of our roster ...

I took a lot of words to say it, but really my point is that most teams don't have all 3 of those aspects in their PG, and they do just fine. Give me two of those (Collison) and we'll be golden.

by bfan on Mar 17, 2008 6:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah
Serjackio Blakriguez

by RipCity on Mar 17, 2008 7:51 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Good player would be.
"We were few and grandmother had a baby"

by amlmart1 on Mar 17, 2008 11:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

DESTROYED....?
He'll get destroyed by guys who are 2" taller and 15 pounds heavier?  DESTROYED. That is a little too strong of a word, bro.

Collison has a long wingspan for his 6'0" frame, I have read either 6'6"-6'7" wingspan, and he is one of the fastest (with the ball) point guards in recent memory.  Darren Collison has outstanding handles and protects the ball very well, which are Portland fans' biggest issues with JJ.  

I like this guys game, he could be a really nice piece to our puzzle here.  Collison has 15ppg 4apg and is shooting 50% from 3-points.

by Scotty the Mastermind on Mar 17, 2008 9:59 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Can you say Chris Duhon?
From Draft Express:

Weaknesses:

  • Size
  • Strength
  • Scoring tools
  • Explosiveness
  • Finishing ability at rim
  • Perimeter shooting potential?
  • Limited number of attempts
  • Slow release
  • Role player
  • Upside?

He simply does not shoot from outside (1.5 makes a game) and a 6-1 guard that lacks explosiveness and scoring tools has to at least can the 3 to keep the defense honest.

by lee3022 on Mar 17, 2008 7:17 PM PDT   0 recs

A couple corrections...
First of all, Duhon does not have nearly the quickness or ball handling abilities that Collison has.

Secondly, certainly size and strength are key issues.  A couple corrections I would make though.  After watching the Pac-10 final, I would say he is probably one of the better guard finishers at the rim in all of college basketball.  He has a fantastic floater and his long arms allowed him to extend past both of Lopez twins for several baskets.

While Collison's three-point totals are not gaudy and his release is a bit slow and awkward, he makes over 50% of them this year (phenomenal percentage).  I don't mind at all that he is selective with his shot.  Plus, at least at the college level, he can get to the rim at will... sounds good to me.

Finally, I have never fully understood "upside."  Is it because he is now a junior in college?  He can't consistently dunk a basketball?  Looks polished in college?  All I know is that this was the same complaint scouts made about Brandon Roy...

Is he the best answer?  I remain skeptical... but he certainly carries some intrigue as far as a potential pick, and deserves a better comparison than Chris Duhon and perhaps Earl Watson as well.

by The Graduate on Mar 17, 2008 9:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Duhon was better in college
From Wikipedia:

Duhon arrived at Duke in 2000, where he was an important role player, playing backup to point guard Jason Williams. Following the injury of fellow teammate Carlos Boozer, Duhon was placed into the starting lineup as point guard, with Williams moving to shooting guard. The Duke Blue Devils went on to win the 2001 National Championship, and Duhon was named the 2001 Atlantic Coast Conference Freshman of the Year.

His sophomore season, Duhon again started in the Duke backcourt alongside fellow guard Jason Williams. That season, Duhon's reputation grew for his defense, court vision, and versatility as a point guard, averaging 2.3 steals per game, and 5.9 assists per game.

From his junior season on, Duhon became an instrumental leader for the Blue Devils. In the 2002-2003 season, he led a young Duke team to the Sweet 16, and averaged 9.2 points, 6.4 assists, and 2.2 steals per game and was among the top 10 assists leaders in NCAA Division I history.

In his senior season, Duhon averaged 10 points, 6 assists, 2.2 steals and 4.1 rebounds per game, en route to another Final Four.

Duhon finished his career as Duke's all-time leader in steals (300) and minutes played (4,813), and second in assists (819). He had one of Duke's top assists to turnover ratios as well. In Duhon's four years, Duke compiled a 123-21 record, making Duhon the second winningest player in Duke and Atlantic Coast Conference history, behind Duke's Shane Battier (131 wins). He helped the Blue Devils win three ACC Championships. Duhon was a finalist for the 2004 Wooden Award, the Naismith Award, and Rupp Trophy awards. He left as the only Atlantic Coast Conference player to record 1,200 points, 800 assists, 475 rebounds, 300 steals, and 125 three-point shots.

by lee3022 on Mar 18, 2008 5:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks
for your well-researched reply.  That being said, having watched Duhon numerous times at Duke, he was a smart heady player, who had above average athletic ability (at the college level) and average quickness at the point guard position.  Will Collison be like Duhon in that he was better at the collegiate level than the pro level?  Perhaps, but either way, I think his skill set better translates to the point guard position in the NBA than Duhon's.

by The Graduate on Mar 18, 2008 6:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I like Westbrook
My main concern with collison is his size.  He's supposedly 6'1, but I've seen him play in person plenty of time and he looks more like 5'11 to me.

That's why I would go with Westbrook at 13.

Pros: Westbrook should be an elite defender (PAC-10 defensive player of the year, locked down guys like Mayo, and Bayless, great lateral quickness and size).  He's very explosive with the ball, and has plenty of upside.  Makes good decisions, unselfish.

Cons: not very polished, needs to work on his outside shot, needs to work on his PG skills.

by OregonDuckworth on Mar 17, 2008 9:32 PM PDT   0 recs

I too like collison better than westbrook,
and I'm not convinced that Westbrook has the speed to shutdown the little speedsters that are giving blazers the fits on the perimeter.

But I'd rather trade up to O J Mayo.  

by mrwonderfull on Mar 17, 2008 9:32 PM PDT   0 recs

Collison's strength's
     I've seen two + UCLA games this year,
but have two close friends (former players)
who follow the Pac 10, like I follow the
Blazers. Both think Collison's strength's are
perfect for the Blazers needs at PG.
1. Extremly good with the ball. Can beat most
defenders of the dribble right or left. Excellent
crossover (ala BRoy).
2. Great top of the key perimeter defender. Can
and will defend 94 feet. Excellent stamina.
Has played heavy minutes for a defensive minded
coach (ala Sarge).
3. Collison and Westbrook are the best guard
defensive tandem in the college ranks and
they both are great in the passing lanes. (Steals)
4. My buddy who watched the Pac 10 championships
at Pauley was two rows up and said Collison is
6'0", 170 with looong arms. "Great on the ball
defender with steals coming in bunches."
5. Excellent passer with a very unselfish
offensive game. Willing to direct offense and
set others up. (GO, Smooth, Martell or James)
BRoy can set himself up.

  Accordingly, his weaknesses are his size, weight
and shooting ability.

    We need a super quick, defensive minded PG
to "D" up the Chris Paul's, Allen Iverson, Steve
Nash's of the League. (All 6 footers or a little
on the thin side) Let's face it, our perimeter
defense on slashing, quick guards this year has
been terrible. I was hoping that's where T. Green
would help us ? Look at Jack's size. 6'3", 215
and rugged, but can't stop any quick guard on top and Blake isn't much better. Sergio ? Ole.

  Draft Collison - 1. Defense & Ballhandling
  2. Winner 3. Pass  1st.  4. Quickness & steals. 5. Offense will mature with GO, Smooth and the Natural drawing the attention.

* Westbrook is not a PG. Agreed upon by all my
sources. He's a off guard.

It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on Mar 18, 2008 3:09 AM PDT   0 recs

Rookie or experienced?
Several people have expressed reservations about drafting a PG, because PGs take time to develop, and we want to contend within a couple of years.

It depends on what you are trying to solve with the draft.  If you are drafting to solve your defensive problems, an outstanding defensive PG will probably be about as good on defense in his second year as he is going to get.  If he's a legitimate defender, he's going to be an NBA defender soon.

If you need a PG to be a threat from distance, that also doesn't take a lot of time.  If he's a good 3-point shot now, he'll likely be in the NBA fairly quickly, as well.

If he is an instinctive fast-break PG, he's likely to be fairly effective on the fast-break pretty quickly, though experience will obviously help him improve.

The role that really takes a lot of time to develop, I believe, is recognizing all the defensive sets that are thrown at you in the half-court, and responding effectively.  Learning to respond to bigger, quicker, stronger defenders.  Learning to throw your alley-oop that little bit higher because both the recipient and the defender are going to get a foot higher than the guys in college.

I'm not sure we need an experienced PG.  Because it is mainly in the half-court game that experience is so important, and Brandon is likely to have the ball a lot in the half-court game, anyway.  Perhaps experience is overrated.

I'm frequently right, but always certain

by jscot on Mar 18, 2008 10:02 AM PDT   0 recs

Experience is not overrated with me
That's why I don't get the terrorists.  72 virgins sounds like a pain, I want 72 20-something pop stars.  Who wants to spend eternity with a bunch of prudes?  
"An expert is someone who knows some of the worst mistakes, which can be made, in a very narrow field." - Niels Bohr

by tominhawaii on Mar 18, 2008 10:18 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

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