Style of Play
With most of the season behind us and the iconic Phoenix Suns coming to town this seems a good time to address a general question that has gotten several mentions this year: How do you feel about our current style of offensive play?
It's no secret that the Blazers have been at or near the bottom of the league in fast break points for the last couple of years and this year is no exception. We just don't run it.
This has been a sore spot with many fans, but to counterbalance the frustration we do have a 35-32 record and are doing far better than most experts would have predicted at the beginning of the season. Having seen the inconsistencies in the game of every player in our lineup not named Roy it's hard to imagine this being a 50-win team. Playing .500 ball or a little above is likely maxing out our potential this year. Whatever you want to say about the style of game, it has certainly produced wins.
When fast break discussions come up the finger usually points at one of two sources: the coach and the point guards. Let's look at those in turn.
Much has been made of Coach McMillan's philosophy not being compatible with the running game. I wonder how much of this is true. Is Nate truly running-averse or is Nate averse to running with this squad, knowing that our best opportunity to win consistently may lie with a more measured attack? At the beginning of the year we adopted a faster tempo. We tended to turn the ball over and we still only topped 100 three times in our first seventeen games. After the pace slowed and our turnovers got under control our winning percentage went up. It is possible we're not capable of running yet? Are the defensive, rebounding, and court-savvy underpinnings just not present with this group? And if so, is it correct for the coach to demand more of a control game or should he let the squad loose no matter what? By what measure should the coach be judged most strongly, tempo or victories?
As for the point guards, I really don't think they're the problem. One of the basic premises of the running game is it depends on numeric advantages. The classic, high-percentage fast breaks are 2-on-1 or 3-on-2 with the third guy being a trailer. If you don't have the numbers a breakout isn't all that much different than a normal drive (which, by the way, is something we're not great at either). Just going from anecdotal observation, the vast majority of Portland "breaks" this year (as opposed to controlled possessions) have been 1-on-many or 2-on-2 with the third person down the court being an opponent. And here's the rub: the point guards are almost always the 1 or part of the 2. They are getting down the court! How many times have you seen Sergio as the first guy down the floor but nobody is with him except a couple of defenders? How many times have you seen Jarrett have to make a pass on the run while covered to a guy who is also covered? How many times have you seen that shot missed and wondered where the rest of our team was when the opponent scooped it up? Yes, we've had some ugly 3-on-2 situations as well, but those have been rare compared to the above.
You may not need five guys to run in order to be a breaking team but you do need a team-wide commitment that people are going to put in the effort to get up and down the court, hustling both ways. I have not seen that effort from the Blazers non-point guard players. In its absence I'm not sure how much the point guards can really do.
I guess the question has three parts then:
- Are you satisfied with how this season has gone offensively? Do you think we could run more without sacrificing wins or do you think missing out on a couple wins would be worth it?
- Do you think this year's team has the capability and commitment to run?
- Do you see this changing in the near future? Does it need to? If it turns out to be better for the Oden-Roy-Aldridge trio to play a more controlled game are you willing to go with that?
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Three answers
- I'm satisfied with not running this year, but I'm not all that satisfied with our offense. I would like to see more off-the-ball movement, more back-door cuts, more off-the-ball screens.
- I don't think we have the capability to run this year, so we certainly don't have the commitment.
- With a rebounding/shot-blocking machine like Oden, and with his and LMA's footspeed, we will certainly have the capability to run more, and we should. Guys can leak out on the break, and those two can beat their man down-court. Even if we aren't a running team, we should still look for the easy-basket opportunities that come from pushing the ball and hustling down court. We shouldn't have to worry about fatigue, either, with the depth we have.
by jscot on Mar 17, 2008 1:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I hope the idea is that these young players assimilate defense concepts, as horses learn to act under horseman control, before the coach gives free rein to them.
by amlmart1 on Mar 17, 2008 3:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you two
by tominhawaii on Mar 17, 2008 4:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
is this really tom?!
by sergioFTW on Mar 17, 2008 7:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
by jscot on Mar 17, 2008 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah
I was also serious in a draft diary once. I'd be serious more often if there was some different subject matter to discuss. I won't say anything else to avoid going off topic.
by tominhawaii on Mar 17, 2008 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, yes, no.
Nate has talked about running on repeated occasions, but it never happens. Aldridge, Outlaw, Webster, Rodriguez are all guys who can run. Brandon Roy and Blake should be able to run. Oden is going to be a massive matchup problem if he gets to run.
I think next year we should have a hierarchy of decisions. First, make sure you secure the ball. Look to run. If you can't finish at first back it out and take a look at who is on Aldridge or Oden on the block based on running (Dwight Howard and a younger Shaq both are good examples of this). If there is not a mis-match then run Nate's offense.
by EnglandDan on Mar 17, 2008 5:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
To address the reasoning why we don't run
by EnglandDan on Mar 17, 2008 5:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
now Nate would HATE the TO and reckless play, but really it's the same as shooting 50% on jump-shots, which is the best we could hope for in the first place, AND with the breaks you get good momentum and energy.
by sergioFTW on Mar 17, 2008 7:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that it comes from Nate
by myemic23 on Mar 17, 2008 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My response
by manzell on Mar 17, 2008 6:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Offense for Playoffs
by lonevoiceofreason on Mar 17, 2008 6:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmm...
- The offense hasn't been satisfying this year, because it's so... predictable. We're lucky to have a bunch of capable jumpshooters. Otherwise...
- This team definitely has the capability to run. Have you seen our roster? Most of them are extremely athletic that just seemed constrained within a leash.
- I believe it'll apply as everything else sharpens. It seems that Nate is trying to "perfect" the teams half-court offense, and without Oden this year, it just ain't happening. I think the first step is to actually getting easy buckets on half-court offense, before getting into fast-breaking.
by Eventine on Mar 17, 2008 6:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Running might not be our style
Roy isn't fast. Outlaw isn't that fast. Frye, no. Jones no. Webster? Maybe. Pryz, of course not. So who fills the lanes?
Are Roy, Outlaw and Webster athletic? Of course, but that doesn't mean they have the ability to play at the speed we would like.
Then really how quick are our point guards? Not so much as evidenced by how badly they get burned on defense.
So I think Nate has it right. Let's exploit our smarts and our strengths and right now it is in a half court set. Plus how many fastbreaking teams win championships? Not many. I think Nate is coaching to his players abilities and doing a mighty fine job at that.
by blazermaniac32 on Mar 17, 2008 9:04 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes and no
A lot of the preseason talk about wanting to run more, was not just about fast breaking, we were never going to be a fast breaking team once Oden went down. It was about pushing the tempo, and the last game was a good show of that. Steve and Sergio both did a good job of pushing the tempo of the game, getting early offense for LMA down on the block with good post position. Those are easy points that LMA should/will convert 75% of the time. What I hate to see, is Jack or any point, walk the ball up the court and as the camera pans over, seeing 5 defenders set and in position to guard against whatever the Blazers do. When this happens, the team does one of two things; 1. Shoots a jumpshot, or 2. turns the ball over.
In the last 5 or 6 games, Nate may have made a change, or maybe it is just the mature of LMA, but he has run consistantly more, getting to the low block early in the offensive set, and the point guard has run the ball up court, and got him the ball where he can do some serious damage. Everytime this has happened, good things for the Blazers have resulted. If you watch a team like the Warriors, they do this all the time, with any player they get down the court with. The quick post up, should be the bread and butter of this team when LMA is on the floor, and ROY should do it as well.
I don't think this team has the committment to run this year. Be that from Nate holding them back after the first few games of high turnovers or from their own wish not to turn it over. Personally I don't view all turn overs as equal. If a player just throws it away, ala what many fans have complained about when they watch Jack, then that player might deserve a benching. But if it is a turnover that comes out of agressive play, like the ally-op turnover discribed above, then I can live with that. Just like in the MIN game, Steve had 1 or 2 turnovers, where he was trying to push the tempo and get the ball ahead to an open team mate, those are agressive turnovers, and the player should be praised for trying to push it for the easy basket.
As far as the future, I see Oden helping us run a bit more. Blocks and rebounds are the key to running, and he should be able to do that for this team. I watched the replay of the 07 NCAA championship game on Saturday, in that game you could see the real Greg Oden. He was a rebounding machine, and a road block to whoever came inside. If his team was able to recover more of his blocks they would have been much closer throughout that game. Seeing him do his thing on the court, just gave me goose bumps when thinking about next year. So yes, we will run more next year, we still will not be a GSW, or PHX fast breaking team, but we will be out on the break more, and we will run for early offense more than we are able to this year.
by usmcr3049 on Mar 17, 2008 9:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
These Blazers must learn to walk before they run
A successful fast break depends on a variety of things happening quickly: an accurate outlet pass to a perimeter player off a rebound or block, the perimeter players immediately recognizing what's happening and sprinting toward the other end of the court, the perimeter players reacting correctly to the defense and making split-second decisions and crisp passes. All of that has to be done before the defense can get set-up.
The half-court offense isn't as flashy as the fast break, but which do you see most often in the defense-intensive playoffs? I'm glad the players are learning how to grind out a half-court offense first, because it's a more basic skill.
I hope Greg Oden learns how to block shots the way Bill Walton did, not swatting them into the upper decks but simply stopping the shot, grabbing it, and throwing the outlet pass, all in one motion. It always catches the defense off-guard.
by MiledAnimal on Mar 17, 2008 10:21 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
My two cents
I do not think this team as constructed is capable of running now because they struggle to rebound and they don't seem to want to run. Perhaps being young players they are putting so much mental energy into defending that it takes more time to make the transition to offense. In other words perhaps running requires a comfort level they have not yet achieved. Another possibility, I recall Brandon saying his game is more suited for the half-court and this year's team is taylored to optimize his strengths. If that remains the case you have to wonder about this team of Blazers ever being a running team.
In the December and January portions of the schedule when the Blazers second unit was producing well it was entertaining to think that someday this team will have enough depth to include major minutes for nine or ten players. Ideally that would include a change of pace that opposing teams would find a difficult adjustment.
The Blazers of the 90s could run all season and it was fun to watch, but I don't think the current team needs to try recreating that style to be successful with the fans. The big knock on that team was the struggle to execute in the half-court which became more crucial as the playoffs progressed. I like watching half-court basketball when the ball and the players move. The current Blazers have shown a penchant for doing that successfully. They should stick with the style that works.
by bbfred on Mar 17, 2008 11:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Przybilla
by kenzc76 on Mar 17, 2008 11:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oden will help in one other way...
Prz isn't all that good at being on the receiving end of alley-oop passes and such at the basket. His hands aren't the greatest, and even if he catches the ball down low, he seems to get stuffed more than he should.
If Oden catches the ball within a few feet of the hoop, ain't nobody blockin' that. And GO has great soft hands, so throwing lobs inside isn't a risky proposition.
by EngineerScotty on Mar 17, 2008 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
mindboggling

by Philthyanimal on Mar 17, 2008 12:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Rebounding = Running
the defence was confused as to where their man was. A Blazer player flashed into the lane for an easy 2, but with 23 seconds left on the 3rd quarter clock, Nate poped off the bench and wanted the ball held for one shot. Now, If only we had some politcions that are that conservitive!
Bottom line is, you can't run without the ball, and you can't run without getting stops. Right now they can't do either.
by 24thewho on Mar 17, 2008 12:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
There's a difference between style of play
by howlingfantods on Mar 17, 2008 1:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The right man for the job
Since the early 90's I have wanted a team that could execute reliably in a half-court set. Why? Because that is what's necessary to win championships in the NBA, along with tight perimeter defense and preferrably a shot-blocking presence in the middle.
The running game should always be secondary to your half-court set. When you need a big bucket at the end of Game 7 of the NBA Finals to seal the deal, you're probably not gonna get it on the fast break. It's gonna come out of the time out, with the ball in Roy's hands.
Besides, the best way to develop the running game is through defense. Right now we don't get enough blocked shots or steals to beat our opponents down the floor for an easy bucket.
All of that will change once we get GO in the mix and sign or trade for a stalwart defensive PG to start next to Brandon Roy.
But the foundation for half-court success has been set and Blazer fans should be grinning ear to ear with the progress we've seen this year. Our guys are patient, they move the ball, they set picks, and best of all they can shoot with accuracy. Add the low-post presence of Oden, LMA, and another bruiser off the bench (Mcrob?), and our arsenal expands to championship caliber half-court offense.
What I'd like to see more of:
- everything jscot pointed out in the first post of the thread
- a more concerted effort to get Martell going in the 1st quarter with double screens a la Detroit with Rip Hamilton
- more diversity in our half-court attack overall (pick and rolls will always be our bread and butter but it takes more to keep from going stagnant)
by broggerboy19 on Mar 17, 2008 1:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Two issues with the break
- Offensively I think we have improves tremendously from last year. There are definitely things that the Blazers can do to improve the offensive sets next year. Being able to run the pick and roll is critical in the NBA, and we have definitely improved that this year. LMA has greatly improved his offensive game too, and I look for him to improve it during the off season. We need more off the ball movement. Even if we become a team that mainly operates from a half court set, off the ball movement will increase the number of easy baskets in the half court set. While I am not completely satisfied with the offense, I think the team can take what they excel at this season and build upon that base for next year and beyond.
- I think our personnel is perfectly capable of running the break, but as states several times before you need to be able to get stops and rebound the ball when you get those stops. Rebounding probably the biggest area that we need to improve during the off season. Without the commitment to rebound the commitment to run becomes less relevant.
- I think our fast break should improve next year, provided adding Oden will improve our rebounding and blocking. Just having that change will give the Blazers more opportunities to run. I think that Roy will generally make good decisions, especially when it comes to running on the break. The last game against Minnesota showed some potential to run, seeing Roy on the break a few times, but it definitely isn't the m.o. of the team.
by CMCWizard on Mar 17, 2008 3:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Positive trending
I think we lack a dominate rebounding capability that limits our running. I also see little commitment with only Sergio being the ideal running PG and Jack and Blake not so capable. The other capability issue is the inexperience of the team leading, as you say, to earlier games with high number of turnovers. I think it is more important that these young players learn to value every possession and the running can come later.
Presumably Oden brings better rebounding for us improving our ability to run with better outlet passes. We will have at least two new rotation players next year and likely still will need to drill fundamentals and possession security before we can run as a style. We also need a PG that can get us there. Kason Kidd converts us to a running team the first week. We are not getting Jason Kidd (or Chris Paul) so we better hope for that 3rd year leap forward by Sergio if you want to run. Our offense does not need to change, however, because adding a post scorer (GO) gives us far better options for high % shots as double teams are required. I agree with the comments about playoff style being nearly all half-court so the slower style during the season is probably better. I am very satisfied with the team's progress this year.
by lee3022 on Mar 17, 2008 4:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Other Type of Fast Break
Why don't we try pressuring and stealing more often? If we could get some "easy" fast breaks, at least we wouldn't be at the bottom of the league in fast breaks, too. Comments?
by bbold on Mar 17, 2008 4:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So Far
Do you think we could run more without sacrificing wins or do you think missing out on a couple wins would be worth it? I think missing a couple of wins would be worth it. The static, set-play offense has its good points, but not as a steady diet.
Do you think this year's team has the capability and commitment to run? No
Do you see this changing in the near future? Not wit Brandon and LaMarcus as pivotal players. neither is particularly quick.
Does it need to? If we want to make it to the Championship Round, we need to be able to run faster than the opponents, pass more accurately, and take more punishment in the paint.
If it turns out to be better for the Oden-Roy-Aldridge trio to play a more controlled game are you willing to go with that? No. I would rather see the team trade for a fast and aggressive forward in the mold of Jerome Kersey and an exceptionally fast point guard to complement Roy and Oden. I would ask Brandon to use his agility more on the break.
by CosmoPlavix on Mar 17, 2008 7:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A good quetion to ask is:
by RipCity on Mar 17, 2008 9:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not either/or; both/and
No, I'm not satisfied, and I think we should be running more. I don't think it has to be an either/or choice. I'd like to see better passes for fast breaks AND better passes in the half-court offense. I'd like to see Joel making more outlet passes, but someone has to be there to take the pass. More of the time Joel hands off the ball to Jack or Roy who walk the ball up the court. And, I'd like to see some fast breaks off steals.
Do you think this year's team has the capability and commitment to run?
There is some capability to run but almost no commitment to run. One of my favorite posters of the 90s was Clyde, Terry, and Buck running with the caption, "Uh, Oh!" The Championship team was a running team, but the current Blazers (and Coach) are not committed to run. What's the big deal about how fast LMA can run a conditioning drill if we don't run during the game?
Do you see this changing in the near future? Does it need to? If it turns out to be better for the Oden-Roy-Aldridge trio to play a more controlled game are you willing to go with that?
I'm not convinced that Oden is going to get that many more rebounds on a per-minute basis than Joel gets. Plus, if the rest of the team doesn't run, there isn't much point to firing outlet passes. Jack seems incapable of running fast breaks; Roy rarely runs them as he has to pace himself to play 40+ minutes a game. Sergio will run, but his teammates won't and often will not catch the pass to finish.
Am I willing to go with a more controlled game? What choice do I have if I want to be a Blazer fan? I think an opportunity running game is a lot more fun to watch and can be equally successful when coupled with a crisp-passing half-court game. If we go back to a Z-Bo-type toss the ball into the post and stand around game and close with Roy going one-on-one, I won't be happy, but I probably remain a Blazer fan.
Although we only scored 12 points on fastbreaks against Minny, wasn't that fun? Plus, we passed great to end up with 32 assists. So, let's both run and run a crisp half-cout offense.
by vcubed on Mar 17, 2008 9:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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