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Monday Question

The gap in the schedule gives us one of our rare chances to discuss things theoretical during the season.

We have talked quite a bit about the potential of making the playoffs this year.  That's not the question!  (We've had enough of that for now.)  Here's my question:

We all know Portland is going to be in the playoffs relatively soon, but how badly do you want the playoffs this year?  What would it mean to you to have Portland make it in 2007-08?  How would you feel and what would you do?

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

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Are you kidding?
I'm crazy about seeing them make the playoffs because it would guarantee I'd actually get to see them on TV!

by Fizbin on Jan 6, 2008 9:44 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Playoffs
I'd be pretty stoked if the Blazers made the playoffs, but would be pissed if it was at the expense of player development.  This season is the time to find out who can be our starting SF, which point guard we keep and whether or not Frye can get it done.

by torsoheap on Jan 6, 2008 9:46 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Noted, and fair enough
but to head off debate about the second part of your assertion the general track of this particular thread is:  WHY would you be pretty stoked if we made it?  What would that mean?

--Dave

by Dave on Jan 6, 2008 9:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ah. Got it.
I would be stoked because it would mean that the Blazers are ahead of schedule.  I think it'll take them three years to build a team that can contend for the title.  I remember the days of yore with Drexler, Porter and Buck that were in the top five in terms of record and were the team to beat out West.  I'd like to get back to those days since Portland only has the one major sports franchise.

I would also be happy because it would show the rest of the league that you can draft for character and talent and that you don't need to settle for knuckleheads like Wells, Randolph and Stoudamire.

by torsoheap on Jan 7, 2008 7:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Build on it
This team has come together so quickly this season. More so than anyone expected. The fact that they're all young just means that they have that tight bond with one another, and as they go through their experiences this season, they are growing from them TOGETHER.
I would absolutely love to see this team make the playoffs this season, because that experience can only help this young team. At this team's age, we have such a huge window, so making the playoffs and experiencing it together will help the team grow, and make them hungry for more.
Then next year, they can come back with a renewed intensity and look to build on their success.
The inbound to McGinnis, drives, stops, pumps, shoots, short, no good...AND THE GAME IS OVER! ~ Bill Schonely

by SandbergOnSports on Jan 6, 2008 10:01 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

and as for what I would do...
If the Blazers made the playoffs, I would be first in line for tickets, and I would ever-so-graciously throw it in the face of every person with me at Gonzaga that made fun of me for Oden going down.
The inbound to McGinnis, drives, stops, pumps, shoots, short, no good...AND THE GAME IS OVER! ~ Bill Schonely

by SandbergOnSports on Jan 6, 2008 10:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Building Blocks...
The main thing our Blazers are learning from this success is that the NBA isn't dominated marketable names (even though the NBA would like all of us to think that), The NBA is actually dominated by consistently high effort and energy throughout a season and playoffs.  

They realize all they need in order to match up with these other teams is the attitude to go out, play very hard, play very smart, and if they give it their best then they can and will succeed consistently.  THIS IS ALL NATE.  He is doing such a great job with this young group because they are all buying into this effort thing.  

Now, at this point in the season it is a big deal to make the playoffs.  It is a learning experience and it is PROOF to these Blazers that what Nate is preaching actually mirrors real life, this is proof that attitude and effort aren't just a bunch of bull.  It is important that our players feel that all the effort they put into this season is a bar that is going to have to be consistently raised in order for this team to expect consistent improvement and success for the future.  Where ever we end up this season I guarantee you that the message Nate is going to send isn't "we got beat by a better team, we are just happy to be here."  These Blazers will know they belong because they paid the price all season... How many teams in the NBA can you say that for?  How many teams put in true 82 game effort?  It hasn't been that way in a long time, so that is what differenciates us from the pack, it is what makes us a harder team to prepare for and play.

Our current attitude and effort on the Blazers makes me think that they can and should make the playoffs this year.  It doesn't matter what names are on another teams roster, if they don't match our effort, intensity, and team play they shouldn't and won't beat us.  The Blazers are a competitive team in the NBA right now, and they have a secret weapon; HUNGER.  Our guys aren't in the NBA and allowed to be complacent with their scenario, they couldn't just take the season off because of Oden's injury and that "put us back a year".  No, they are playing hungry with high effort and energy and they are competing and winning.

Nate is winning this season for us and should win NBA coach of the year.  The dividends our team is going to reap because of the success Nate is having this year pushing these guys to give more and to expect to win is so exciting.

by Scotty the Mastermind on Jan 7, 2008 3:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Building Blocks...
The main thing our Blazers are learning from this success is that the NBA isn't dominated marketable names (even though the NBA would like all of us to think that), The NBA is actually dominated by consistently high effort and energy throughout a season and playoffs.  

They realize all they need in order to match up with these other teams is the attitude to go out, play very hard, play very smart, and if they give it their best then they can and will succeed consistently.  THIS IS ALL NATE.  He is doing such a great job with this young group because they are all buying into this effort thing.  

Now, at this point in the season it is a big deal to make the playoffs.  It is a learning experience and it is PROOF to these Blazers that what Nate is preaching actually mirrors real life, this is proof that attitude and effort aren't just a bunch of bull.  It is important that our players feel that all the effort they put into this season is a bar that is going to have to be consistently raised in order for this team to expect consistent improvement and success for the future.  Where ever we end up this season I guarantee you that the message Nate is going to send isn't "we got beat by a better team, we are just happy to be here."  These Blazers will know they belong because they paid the price all season... How many teams in the NBA can you say that for?  How many teams put in true 82 game effort?  It hasn't been that way in a long time, so that is what differenciates us from the pack, it is what makes us a harder team to prepare for and play.

Our current attitude and effort on the Blazers makes me think that they can and should make the playoffs this year.  It doesn't matter what names are on another teams roster, if they don't match our effort, intensity, and team play they shouldn't and won't beat us.  The Blazers are a competitive team in the NBA right now, and they have a secret weapon; HUNGER.  Our guys aren't in the NBA and allowed to be complacent with their scenario, they couldn't just take the season off because of Oden's injury and that "put us back a year".  No, they are playing hungry with high effort and energy and they are competing and winning.

Nate is winning this season for us and should win NBA coach of the year.  The dividends our team is going to reap because of the success Nate is having this year pushing these guys to give more and to expect to win is so exciting.

by Scotty the Mastermind on Jan 7, 2008 3:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hunger?
You just gave away the teams secret.  Now all the opposing teams have to do is put a Snickers in each player's locker and it is over.
"When you're pushed... Killing's as easy as breathing." - Josh "Rambo" McRoberts

by tominhawaii on Jan 7, 2008 3:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It would mean ...
That sometimes nice guys do finish "first" and it would validate the philosophy change that kind of got started with Patterson/Nash and culminates with Pritchard's talent AND character team building axiom.

As for making the playoffs this year, it's almost irrelavant at this point (though I'd be pretty down if the blazers pulled off a monumental tank job), it's the way that these guys play for each other and seem to be genuinely good guys that makes me care about this team like I haven't since the days of Brian Grant and those great Drexler/Porter/Kersey/Williams teams of the early 90's.

It means ulitmately that I finally have that "old timey" feeling of blazermania back again (playoffs this year or not).

by nikolokolus on Jan 6, 2008 10:01 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I should have
just cut and paste your response into mine above (I swear I wrote mine without reading yours).

by torsoheap on Jan 7, 2008 7:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

For me it would
be awesome for two reasons. 1.) most important reason, this team is something special to root for. They are amazing guys who obviously care about each other and have captured the heart of this city's love for basketball and the Blazers again. It would be almost perfect for a movie! 2.) it would be validation for us fans who have stuck with this team through some extremely tough times and never hopped off the bandwagon (not that I have a problem with bandwagon fans, because they are just as meaningful in these times. You don't believe me, compare a game at the RG two years ago to one now!)

by mark twain on Jan 6, 2008 10:05 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

This season is for player development
--  at least I'll bet that was K.P.'s original plan.   Now I do have some concern that Nate will try to go all out for the playoffs and the second or more round.   There may be a concern that player development could suffer.   I think Martell has the potential to be an All Star, not just once but several times.   Now he needs work and confidence to development his ball handling and drives to the basket among other skills.   Martell(born 12-4-86) is 2 years and 4 months younger than B Roy.   He is only 3 months older than McRoberts and is actually 1 year younger than Taurean Green.   Martell needs to develop his skills -- the work he missed by not going to college.

The team is playing terrifically.   What an exciting year.   The future is amazing.  

How will K.P. and Nate use the 3 players who will join the team next year?   Petteri Koponen (born 4-13-88) at 6'5" could be quite a find at point guard.   Rudy Fernandez (born 4-5-85) will be a great back up at shooting guard or may eventually start with BRoy moving to point.   Or can Martell start there with BRoy?   Oden 's talent is a given.   But what will it mean for Frye and Pryz?   Plus the team will have at least a first round pick this year.   Lots of personnel issues in the future.   Now we can enjoy a truly fantastic young dynamic team.

by OrygunRod on Jan 6, 2008 10:15 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Playoffs this year
I think would be terrific.   I have been a big fan of the team through it all since the beginning.   Kevin Pritchard is emulating Stu Inman's philosophy of using character as the defining trait in the players on our team.   Portland fans would be thrilled beyond belief if the Blazers make the playoffs.   Hopefully those just jumping on the bandwagon would not abandon the team with an early exit.   We can see the guys getting better it seems with every game.   And any playoff experience should improve them even more.

My concern is to keep that improvement going and not to sacrifice it for a few wins in the playoffs.

by OrygunRod on Jan 6, 2008 10:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It would mean I would go to the Rose Garden
and not be able to hear my buddy..... in the first quarter.
My ignorance is my greatest weapon

by shenanigans on Jan 6, 2008 10:16 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I would ...
sound my barbaric YAWP!!! from the rooftops of the world!

I REALLY want to see them in the playoffs this year, because there is simply no better test to see where this team is at. Heck, give us the Spurs in the first round. If they bludgeon us for 4 straight games, then we'll know we've got a ways to go, and the team will be pumped about working hard to get there. But if we actually give them a series? Well then lookout world, because it'll be "no fear" next time around ... In fact, they might even be the ones saying "Oh man, we have to play THOSE guys?" I would freaking LOVE to be "the team that other teams hate to play." We haven't been that team for a VERY long time ...

What would it mean for me? Well, it might mean I have to convince my wife to move back to Portland.

by bfan on Jan 6, 2008 10:28 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'm not understanding ...
how the playoffs would negatively affect player development, as a lot of posters are insinuating. Wouldn't some playoff experience only enhance the team's development? It's not like we're making any trades to get there, so if we get there with the guys we have, it could only be better for the future ...

by bfan on Jan 6, 2008 10:33 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I agree, although I DO see a trade-off
On the one hand, I CAN see where Nate making a push for the playoffs could negatively impact player development.  If winning were less of an object, Nate might be more inclined to give guys like McRoberts more minutes--thus speeding their development--or to experiment with guys in different situations or combinations.  The extra minutes and/or experimentation could pay dividends in coming seasons.  It might even help KP make critical decisions about personnel.

But there's another aspect of "player development" that I feel trumps this one.  That's the building of the "winning culture" that KP talks so much about.  We've seen recently that winning is a skill and habit all to itself.  Some teams with plenty of talent never get the knack.  The young Blazers ARE getting it, and the experience of finishing over .500 and making the playoffs could be invaluable for this team.

Further, you often hear it said that you can't prepare yourself for the added intensity and pressure of playoff basketball--you just have to experience it.  What with the increased physicality, the officiating, the crowd response, the media attention, it's almost a different game entirely.  The pressure is just so much greater in every respect.  So the sooner the young Blazers get the experience of a playoff series under their belts, the sooner they'll be likely to advance in the playoffs and, hopefully, eventually win it all.  If the Blazers should make it to the playoffs this year--even if they go four and out--that experience might accellerate their progress towards the ultimate goal by a full season.  And that's definitely something to consider, IMO.

Funny thing about championships: they often come earlier than "scheduled."  And another thing: there aren't always more opportunities after that breakthrough, no matter how much talent and chemistry you've got.  Injuries, improvement in competitors (e.g., their acquistion of a Shaq, Tim Duncan, or Michael Jordan), bad luck--so many things can derail a potential dynasty.  Look at what happened to the Blazers after '77.  Your championship window can close at any time, so you don't want to be TOO patient in pulling up to it.  You must be opportunistic.

"Ime caught the guy in mid-air with a fist and calmly continued his dispatching of oncoming people." -Gabe Muoneke

by hurryup09 on Jan 7, 2008 2:21 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I would love to see them
in the playoffs this year because the guys deserve it for this amazing December.  They need to get something from it besides the knowledge that they had an incredible run.  They've shed so many monkeys this season that they should also be the ones to get rid of the one named "missed the playoffs again".  

I want it for them, not for me.  I didn't care one way or the other about the playoffs at the beginning of the season but unless January is deadly I'll be disappointed if they can't pull it off.  I don't want to do it at the expense of playing Oden or trading someone, so if that's what it takes, I'll wait.

But to be in the middle of the rebirth of Blazermania, where you can't hear yourself scream and you exchange high fives with perfect strangers is pretty special.  To have been at the Rose Garden during "the streak", to watch these guys beat teams they aren't expected to beat, to watch them grow up right in front of me has already created mountains of memories and I don't need the playoffs to make this season extraordinary.  (And to sit & discuss all this with a bunch of young men half my age - and others - makes it all pretty amusing too.)

"They were playing the game with a great deal of passion and excitement and it was a real bear's den to be involved in." - Jerry Sloan on the Blazers, 01/05/08

by jorga on Jan 6, 2008 10:46 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Character and team play works!!!

I would love to see them in the playoffs this year.  This team is starting to gel, they are working hard, and playing lights out.  I love the buzz around this team, everyone is talking about them.  Making the playoffs and continuing to play the way they have would only increase this attention.  This year is about experience and letting our young guys get a feel for the electricity of a playoff series.  This will only make them hungry for more.

Even though they are on track to make it to the playoffs; if, of course they keep playing the way they have been.  I am really just looking forward to next season and seeing Oden on the floor playing with these guys.   Just the chance of having everyone healthy for the playoffs next year, we will be talking about our chances of winning it all!!

by lethaldose on Jan 6, 2008 10:58 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

What better way to develop your players than
to bring them up in a winning culture by actually winning games and the only way to get playoff experience is to..well, play in the playoffs. If anything it would accelerate their development being as that our young players are all we have.

That being said it would mean so much to me and this entire town for the Blazers to make the playoffs. I would be thrilled beyond belief.

Playing in the playoffs would also help us to get a lazer clear picture heading into next year on what we need to truly work on. Nothing better than the playoffs to truly expose you. Just ask the Mavericks.

by jferg on Jan 6, 2008 11:03 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

playoff experience
There are three things that would be particularly great about going to the playoffs this year, which make me want it very badly for this team.  The first is the experience of playing in one or more high intensity series against opponents with more experience than they have -- this would be a phenomenal learning opportunity for the team, which would pay dividends next year when they have a title contending squad.  Second, they will have nothing to lose, and that will help them stay loose and cool, so that they just might knock off a team that would otherwise be expected to beat them, like the GS/Dallas debacle of last year.    Now that would be a blast to see, and it seems very much in the character of this team to be able to perform such a feat.  Finally, making the playoffs this season will take a lot of the pressure off of Greg Oden next year -- I think he may feel less pressure to perform on the court if the team has already had great success without him.  He can just be a part of the team, as opposed to THE franchise guy right from the get go.  If he can relax and have fun out there, that's going to be a big plus.    Success breeds success, particularly with a squad like this one.  If they can get a taste, it will really quicken this transition to title contenders.  So, I'm dying for them to make the playoffs, and I'll be going to all of the home games.

by BrailleTaser on Jan 6, 2008 11:14 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

It'd be great
I think we need to get to the playoffs because it'd be solid proof of the progress we're making. Of course we already know we're making progress but something tangible always helps.

It would also mean more that we made the playoffs in the West. I would not be as excited if we were in the Leastern Conference.

by jayseyfield on Jan 7, 2008 12:04 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

pretty much
it would be a great excuse to make some jungle juice and act beliggerent.  As if I need anymore excuses to do that anyway.  Really though, its a clean slate in the playoffs, I would be excited because I would truly think we could win on any night against any time, even if that was not the reality of the situation...
RUDY > MJ

by myemic23 on Jan 7, 2008 12:16 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

i dont care
i dont care if they make the playoffs this year or not.  except if they did it would make for a shorter summer that i would have to suffer through with no blazers games.
"and when our backs are against the wall the only two words that matter offensively are 'Brandon' and 'Roy'." --Dave

by chickenmelt on Jan 7, 2008 1:29 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Right
I'm with you
Ladies and Gentlemen, Channing has arrived and the Buffet is open.

by jamon51 on Jan 7, 2008 12:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm....
     How badly do I want the playoffs this year?  Well pre-season my thought was that our youth would preclude this actually being the season we return to the playoffs. So in honest answer I have to say, not too badly, playoffs were not my expectation for this season. That's not to say as a fan I'm not rooting for as much success as possible for this team. As stated, it's only a matter of time before we return to the playoffs, we are a young roster. Success in the playoffs requires experience in the playoffs, I would be thrilled if this roster could start getting that experience not so much because of what I think would be achievable this post season but because it would mean we are ahead of the developmental curve that I evaluated. That's what it would mean to me if they made it this season.

    How would I feel and what would I do? That's simple, I'd be happy, I'd be proud. I think returning to the playoffs is official validation of what at least we know as Blazer fans, The Blazers are back. I'd watch KP shave his head, I'd watch Charles Barkley scratch his, I'd root like hell for The Blazers while all the time realizing that even if we end up "going fishing" on TNT, that the best is yet to come, and that's a great thing to be able to say, playoffs or no playoffs.  

"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"

by Krang on Jan 7, 2008 5:09 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

It would be great, just great.
After the dark days of the jail blazer era, I only really started following the team again on a day-to-day basis after I learned that the players were practicing together 5 weeks early.  This is unheard of in the NBA and I started wondering if something special was brewing in Portland.  The more I have learned about the players, coaches, and management, the more I find myself admiring what this organization has managed to put together and hope that other teams in the league will look to the Blazers as a model organization to emulate.  We all know that the league could use a few more teams with the high class, character, and talent of the Blazers.

It's no shame if the Blazers don't make the playoffs this year.  There are 10 teams in the west that are playoff caliber and only 8 spots.  Whether or not they make the playoffs this year, it's already clear that the Blazers have served notice to the league.  Utah made a trade for the sharpshooter, Korver, in order to fight against the Blazer zone defense.  Denver has picked up its level of play and has managed to maintain its place as the division leader.  The top 7 teams in the western conference all have 21 or more wins and are only separated by 3 games.  Every game, even in January, is important and the teams in the West are playing as though they know it.

I want the Blazers to make the playoffs not for the sake of my happiness, but as vindication for the direction the organization is going and for Roy.  As a substance guy, his contributions would have been easy to overlook if Oden were healthy and playing this year.  Roy will unfortunately always be underrated by the casual fan and the pundits.  If the Blazers make the playoffs this year, he would get the recognition he deserves.  As has been mentioned before, Oden would not have to worry about being the franchise guy either, but just a member of the Trail Blazers.

The Blazers already have a big problem to solve right now with too many players and picks for too few roster spots.  They don't need another lottery pick this year.  What they need is to learn how to beat the other teams when those other teams are gunning to beat them like Chicago and Utah earlier this week.  The Blazers have already passed so many tests and jumped through so many hoops this season, I have faith that they will ultimately be successful and make the playoffs this season.  When that happens, I will go celebrate by consuming some significant quantities of liquids containing ethanol.

by BootStrapper on Jan 7, 2008 5:13 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

the future
is always a mystery to me. surprises always happen, good and bad.

i'm enjoying watching the blazers, but i can't summon any emotion about whether they make the playoffs or not. maybe in april i'll care if they're close.

ignacio

by ignacio on Jan 7, 2008 5:49 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Playoffs
I would loved to see them make it this year.  I think the experience of playing at playoff intensity level and going through at least 4 games of strategy and game adjustments at that level would be more valuable than a lottery pick at this point in the team's development.

It would also be more valuable than playing positions 9-13 on the bench more minutes during the regular season.  Going into the playoffs next year or the year after as contenders with at least some playoff experience would be huge.

by tssbro on Jan 7, 2008 7:02 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'd be stoked if they made the playoffs
for the reasons Fizbin and Sandberg give.  

Right now though, I'm not really thinking about the playoffs. The furthest ahead I'm looking is the January schedule.  Realistically, the Golden State game is as far ahead as I want to think about.  I want to see them win this last home game before starting off on the road trip.

I'm just enjoying the fact Portland is winning games and doing so in exiting fashion.  Best of all they are doing it while having fun and as a team.  They truly appear to be a group of guys that like each other and enjoy playing the game with their teammates.  I'm loving the fact they are developing a confidence in their ability to win every game they play.  This has been particularly apparent in their winning games with either LaMArcus or Roy out, as well as the previous two games - winning in Minn when they semed to lack energy and then beating Chicago on the road in double OT the very next night.

The only fly in the ointment - I don't get to see games up here in Seattle.  Too bad teams can't think outside the box.  Sonics and Blazer games should be available in both markets.  

by timg56 on Jan 7, 2008 7:04 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

playoffs would mean missing more excitement...
But if the Blazers were to make the playoffs we'd miss the excitement of the lottery!!

Okay, that's a fair trade. Besides, we've got more young talent than "High School Musical".

How badly do I want it? It won't be a tragedy if they miss. Like most posters I take the long term view on it. I'll want it a lot more in the years to come than this year.

But if they make it, it'll be great for the guys, the team, and the community. Winning championships often boil down to a key play or two. Teams and players who have gained "respect" have better odds at getting a key call or making an opponent over think and therefore a better chance of winning it all. Making the playoffs would garner the team and its players that much more "respect" and strengthen the foundation for next year.

I also think it may alleviate some pressure off of G.O. as he would be the cherry on top rather than the bowl supporting the whole sundae. Or maybe he'd be the whipped cream and Rudy would be the cherry. Analogies can only go so far...

What would I do? I would probably clear my schedule and watch (what may be by then) my 10th Blazer game of the season on TV.

(Hey Comcast: "Thfffpt! Jog On!)

by jon on Jan 7, 2008 7:51 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely I want them to make the playoffs!
For several reasons:
  1.  The playoffs are completely different from the regular season.  We all know that.  The experience these guys would get from playing in games of that magnitude would be invaluable.  To take that experience into next year with Oden would be huge.  As great as the draft will be this year, we won't have a top 10 pick and after that it's a real crap shoot anyway.
  2.  Let's all remember that this is a proud organization that had been to the playoffs for 20+ straight years!  We have been out of the playoffs for 4 straight years and now is the time to start another streak (sound familiar?).
  3.  I think this team could have a decent chance in the playoffs.  The first round is now 7 games and Nate has proven that he can outcoach just about anyone.  The zone defense will be even more effective in the playoffs with the more plodding style and our outside shooting is just the ticket for the much more half-court oriented game.  Also, we are nails on our home court-so even if we don't have home court advantage, we could still get some wins at home.  
  4.  I envision the Blazers as being "The team no one wants to face."

by nedzadrules on Jan 7, 2008 8:23 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

who will shine in the playoffs?
It's impossible to know which players will respond to the playoff atmosphere until they are actually in it.  The playoffs can make or break careers.  

It would simply be huge for KP to be able to evaluate our players playoff response in order to properly make adjustments for next year.

by living on Jan 7, 2008 8:45 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

the playoffs are $$
Gotta root for the playoffs. The value of the team increases exponentially when the team reaches the playoffs. Extra revenue, extra exposure, extra pressure, extra incentive to improve. Looks good all the way around for the Blazers if they make the playoffs. We have a playoff-caliber team so we should aim to make the playoffs and test our mettle there.

Now, if you're asking me to balance my objectives as a fan with the reality of this team, I gotta say again: we are a playoff-caliber team. We're at least on the cusp with a group of 3 or 4 teams, at least 2 or 3 of which are definitely goinig to make the playoffs.

But you know what? I wouldn't be disappointed if we don't make the playoffs. If we don't it'll be because the gaps in our team are just too much to overcome, and we knew about those gaps all along anyway. So big deal. Next year we'll have a better go at it.

Nature bats last.

by fisheyes on Jan 7, 2008 8:46 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

playoffs
Whether or not the Blazers make the playoffs this year is not a huge deal in terms of our long term future.  The experience would be nice, but not making it won't cripple us or anything.

I want to see us make it for one reason:  playoff games are fun!

I wouldn't mind seeing us get rolled by the Spurs- that one victory we steal (if indeed it happened) would be a thrill.

by jksnake99 on Jan 7, 2008 8:50 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

mmmmmmmm
What it would mean to me....

A conundrum I can live with, as the beloved Timbers will be in full swing come playoff time.

My voice was not working all day Sunday, this team makes you yell and scream, so  the playoffs means me writing off a singing  career.

It is also an award for the fans. I believe they do deserve it. The family that sits in front of us who now believes in this team as they did the 77 team.

If they don't make the playoffs. life will roll on. The West is very tough.

If they make, we will be there in full force, enjoying it for what its worth.  Its fun these days to walk into a store and people are talking about Martell's third quarter.

by mschofer on Jan 7, 2008 9:48 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Garlic mashed potatoes and gravy
I have thought all year that the Blazers could be in the playoff hunt.  Before the season, my personal goal for the team was 42 wins.  I think 42 wins puts them in the hunt, but does not guarantee they will make the playoffs.

I love garlic mashed potatoes and the only thing that can make them better is to add gravy.  42 wins would be my garlic mashed potatoes and making the playoffs would be my gravy.  

The playoffs this year are not as important to me as the 42 wins.  I just want progress from last year.  If they do make the playoffs this year, I would be ecstatic and would probably have to take some personal days from works, so I could watch the games.  It would have the potential to be the highlight of my summer.  Besides watching the game, I do not know if I would do anything different.  I would not be able to go to the games because I have to save my vacation for my sister in law's wedding in late October.

"When you're pushed... Killing's as easy as breathing." - Josh "Rambo" McRoberts

by tominhawaii on Jan 7, 2008 11:17 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Brah
Of all da tings you get to grind, garlic mash potatoes wit gravy???

by eknpdx on Jan 7, 2008 2:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Eh
Loco moco is not da kine without da gravy.  I still stay one haole lihdat.
"When you're pushed... Killing's as easy as breathing." - Josh "Rambo" McRoberts

by tominhawaii on Jan 7, 2008 2:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Brah
You no can hide behind being on haole if you going say "small kine" li'dat!

LOL, I live vicariously through others back there to eat the things I miss the most.  

I was wondering how you were a Blazer fan in Hawaii, since most of the locals are bandwagon California groupies.  Yep, tell your local friends one island boy living in PDX called them cali groupies.

Do you watch Blazer games with a cable package?

by eknpdx on Jan 7, 2008 3:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Lol
I'll do that.  I've been watching them at the channelsurfing page or at a sports bar.  I have not gotten league pass yet because I am waiting for a HDTV and then I have to get digital cable and TIVO so I won't miss the games that are played while I am at work.  Do you miss Zippy's?  I had shrimp curry from Green Door for lunch today.
"When you're pushed... Killing's as easy as breathing." - Josh "Rambo" McRoberts

by tominhawaii on Jan 7, 2008 3:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Missing food
Not Zippy's per say, but nobody understand why I cry when i think about local style dobash cake, or custard filled malasadas, or just a decent homestyle bakery for once.  But I really miss real Chinese food, Korean food, and real Filipino food.  I can make the Plate lunch, Hawaiian and Japanese stuff to my liking, but the authentic stuff is out of reach.

I especially miss the okazuya style places to eat.

But you go ahead and work on garlic mash potatoes. ;-)  

by eknpdx on Jan 7, 2008 3:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I hear ya
We took this way off topic.  I was kidding about Zippy's, to me it's the Hawaiian Denny's.  It's not bad and it's open 24/7.

I work downtown and ate a lot in the Fort Street Mall and I became a fan of dinuguan.  My biggest complaint regarding local food is that the portions are always way too much.  It's my fault because I eat everything.  My favorite manapua place just closed, that broke my heart.

There is a good Hawaiian place off of Macadam, in Portland, that has imu on Friday's that is as good as I've had here.  I just gave up red meat so I'll be eating a lot of poke from now on.

"When you're pushed... Killing's as easy as breathing." - Josh "Rambo" McRoberts

by tominhawaii on Jan 7, 2008 3:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

While we're on this tangent...
My wife is from Kailua and is a flight attendant, so we go to the islands a few times a year.  I've gotten hooked on the food, and look forward to that as much as the beaches, etc.  One of my brothers-in-law is a fish broker and barbecue whiz (he even has a cooking show on t.v.).  But my favorite dishes are plain old kalua pig with rice, Portugese sausage, lomi lomi Salmon, etc. (washed down with Hawaiian Sun, of course).  You can get it around here, but it's not the same.  

When I first met my wife's dad--a former Air Force and United Airlines captain from Maui--there was some subtle tension.  The whole family looked on as he served me poi and sashimi.  He quizzed me on the difference between sashimi and sushi.  It was only when I answered correctly and asked for seconds that I began to feel the warmth.  I'd passed the Captain's initiation.  :-)

"Ime caught the guy in mid-air with a fist and calmly continued his dispatching of oncoming people." -Gabe Muoneke

by hurryup09 on Jan 7, 2008 3:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Man
This is making me hungry.  I've ate everything put in front of me since I moved here.  I like my poi mixed with my lomi lomi.  Have you been to one of the Makino Chaya's yet?  Not the best, but really good and the most food, since it is a buffet.  The only food I do not like is mochi and everyone knows it and tries to get me to try different flavors.  Oh, and I'm not a fan of tripe stew.
"When you're pushed... Killing's as easy as breathing." - Josh "Rambo" McRoberts

by tominhawaii on Jan 7, 2008 3:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Affirmation
I would love to see the Blazers make the playoffs this year. Having jumped on the Blazer bandwagon back when everyone was getting off, making the playoffs would be the ultimate "i told you so" for me. I've been telling anyone who mentioned the NBA or basketball that the Blazers were the team to watch. So far the Blazers have managed to prove me totally wrong on several occasions. By making the playoffs, it would be the ultimate affirmation of my deeply held belief that the Blazers are actually a pretty good basketball team. So far we've won nothing that matters. We've had one really good month. We've got some useless awards like Rookie of the Year and Player of the Week, but a spot in the playoffs is legit. It counts. 8 teams get spots and everybody else gets nothing. If we get in, we're an elite team in the West and nobody can tell us different. And as awesome as it would be for me, it'd be even better for the team. Making and then losing in the playoffs would give them a taste, some experience, and something to prove all in one package. I also happen to think that if we make the playoffs the only teams that can stop us are Pheonix, Boston, and Orlando. And this team has a weird habit of getting miraculous at just the right time, so who knows, we could win it all this year.

by Jumbo on Jan 7, 2008 11:38 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

We might get a championship THIS year.
I know, I know. Completely unrealistic. Especially considering how Boston is playing. And teams this young NEVER win championships. And we have yet to prove we can win in X situation. (Where X is anything from "on a long road trip" to "after the all-star break" to "in the playoffs".)

But what I want to say is that this team has ALREADY achieved things that even the most die-hard Blazer fan would never have believed were possible this year.

This team is achieving not only team records, but LEAGUE records, seemingly some new obscure record is being broken with every win.

This team has shown it can achieve beyond the wildest dreams of its fans. So why not dream big?

The first (and only) championship came out of nowhere. We were completely overmatched against a team for the ages (Philly) in '77, until a nasty fight turned our year around. Why can't this be history repeating itself?

You ask me why will we miss the playoffs, and I ask you why WON'T we win a championship?

Sure. The impossible dream. But this team HAS NOT YET hit the ceiling. So who knows how high it is? Perhaps this 7-game road trip will show us.

by Majikj0n on Jan 7, 2008 12:40 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Love the confidence
and optimism. I share the same base prospects as you, but I don't necessarily feel as strongly. Just root for this damn team and believe that anything is possible. Hell, if it wasn't for Mikael Pietrus pulling a Darius Washington (http://youtube.com/watch?v=r9imbrINi5w) at the foul line GS would have had a crack at the Spurs and winning the whole thing. Crazier things have indeed happened.
Hate the game, not the player.

by Rodendridge on Jan 7, 2008 1:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, crazier things have happened
Not that I think the Blazers will win a championship this season or even the next.  Just making the #8 slot in the playoffs and getting blown out in four straight would be incredible.  But as I often point out, championships don't always occur on schedule.  For a prime example, look to Blazers history.  The '77 Blazers were nearly as young as the '07-'08 squad, and they came out of nowhere to win it all.  Then the next season, when the Blazers were EXPECTED to win, the injury bug hit, and the hoped-for dynasty never materialized.  

I'm not saying Blazer fans should get their hopes up.  Chances are these Blazers won't be winning a championship--if they do at all--until at least '09.  But there's no harm in dreaming, because dreams DO come true from time to time.  

"Ime caught the guy in mid-air with a fist and calmly continued his dispatching of oncoming people." -Gabe Muoneke

by hurryup09 on Jan 7, 2008 3:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It would mean about $300
for a good seat and I would figure out a way to pay for it.  I've either been too young or too poor to get to a playoff game.  I'll be there this year.

by tweener on Jan 7, 2008 12:47 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I want the playoffs for Rich and Mike
Two Laker fans I work with.  They've tormented me for years about the Jail Blazers.  Now when we talk about the Blazers, I see surprise and respect in their eyes and hear it in their comments.  If the Blazers make the playoffs, I will see fear, then loathing.  I can't wait...

by MiledAnimal on Jan 7, 2008 2:18 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

It buys us more time
I would love to make the playoffs this year just because it gives us more time to perfect the product.  I know the counter argument is that making the playoffs now means added pressure to make it next year.  But that is a different kind of pressure than the one the franchise is facing right now.  

Playoff in 07/08 = Hoop Cred!

Playoffs this year gives the team league cred.  League cred gives the players cred with the officials, schedule makers, networks, etc.

Once positive momentum gets rolling, the player roll along with it.  The culture of losing is the kiss of death to any franchise.  Winning ensures you don't have to worry about it, and player fall in line because what they do has proof it works.

by eknpdx on Jan 7, 2008 2:53 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Hoop Cred
Heck yes! Hoop cred is something we finally have and have been missing for some time. Why cant we make it this year?

by Jaketron on Jan 7, 2008 5:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nail in the coffin
for the Jailblazer era.  You see, it was not just the behavior of the team that made the Jailblazer label stick in the media and national perception, but the poor fan/team relationship.  A nationally televised first round playoff would highlight the one thing you don't see enough of in the Blazer highlight packages: the fans.  The games we've had televised so far have not been our most electric (compared to, say, the Denver game, #10 in the streak).  Once people get a good hard look at the other side of the puzzle (the fans), the Blazers will be free and clear perception wise, and you will hear less and less about the Jailblazers at an even more accelerated rate.  

P.S. Jailblazers are also known as underachievers, unstable.  A come-from-nowhere berth and a display of steely-eyed Portland Basketball will only help things further.

P.P.S  and all that stuff about experience and whatever else was said above.  I haven't read all of the comments.

I will never waste a beer. There are too many sober kids in India. -Rod Benson

by supremepuntiff on Jan 7, 2008 3:06 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

reading the comments here
the enthusiasm for the playoffs is maybe changing my mind. i mean, it WOULD be cool to see travis hit a game-winning shot against san antonio or dallas or whoever.

you can average 12 during the season yet be a star if you score 18 in a playoff game. and we have some awfully clutch guys. brandon, lamarcus, travis, james jones, maybe martell, even steve blake and channing -- any of these can make a last-second shot.

we could be like the michigan all-freshman fab five that made it to the finals of the ncaa. we'd be the sports story of the year. it's not impossible when you PLAY THE RIGHT WAY!

ignacio

by ignacio on Jan 7, 2008 3:25 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I haven't read all the comments
Special:

This team has had a special season thus far.  It's had people scratching their heads and left wondering.  It'll take something special to really awaken this city to it's team again as the blazers have done such a complete job of alienating it's fan base.  I know old fans that still despise the players and I don't think they're going away unless something drastic can change that.

this means perfection.  This means continuing this streak and playing hard and refusing to die.  It means making the play-offs against all odds and giving teams a run for their money.

How perfect of a story would this be?  How much vindication in national media?  How many times would the story be played so that those in portland would hear it over and over again?

This city has been spurned and burned by the blazers, how great if instead of underachieving we smother teams with our perfection of team play and overachieve?

I don't think we'll make the finals because there already exist two excellent REAL teams in San Antonio and the spurs and the east coast has Detroit and maybe the Celtics.

Still, to make it to the second round is VERY doable and would be a HUGE lift for the fans.  

The Team:

This team needs to continue to learn about winning, and that means... winning.  This team already plays like a team that's learned what it's like to be a winner.  Making the play-offs means that we continue to learn and develop.  It means that we have real play-off and pressure experience.  It means that we have more to look forward to next year.

It means this team will come back hungrier because they will believe stronger that the next year they can be closer to their rings and domination.

It means that in 2009-2010 i need to be back in portland with my season tickets to watch the blazers win it all.

The dream:

I'd love to see the blazers win it all.  Another story line of three great stars going against a team oriented team.  I love to see us come back and topple the Celtics.

I don't know how I'd get tickets, but I'd get them and I would take that time period off from work to go to every single finals game and possibly fly to boston.

How special would this young season be after that?  How driven would the players be to taste that again.  How many fans across the country would be able to embrace this team in success and spirit of character?

Summary:

The blazers should make it because it emphasizes everything that has been done right and it finally changes the perspective of the country.  It purges the name of Jailblazers from the story lines because now, they're the new blazers.

In short... it'd be really damn cool.

"Threes, twos, free throws, off screens, off the dribble...it was All You Can Eat Night and he had two forks and a tapeworm." - Dave

by ratbastird on Jan 7, 2008 4:05 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Hey
When is it okay to start talking about securing home court?  
A shadowy flight into the dangerous world of a man who does not exit - Darius Miles

by tominhawaii on Jan 7, 2008 4:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

17
What if they're njot ready?

Doesn't matter.  17.

Actually, I'd say it's all up for grabs after we see how they do on the road.  If they do half-way decent and only lose to elite teams... it's ON!

Then again, you were probably not cereal, because I'm not sure you've EVER had a cereal post.

"Threes, twos, free throws, off screens, off the dribble...it was All You Can Eat Night and he had two forks and a tapeworm." - Dave

by ratbastird on Jan 7, 2008 5:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I've had a few
That post, about that thing, back in the day, regarding the Blazers was cereal.  Cereal like a fox!
A shadowy flight into the dangerous world of a man who does not exit - Darius Miles

by tominhawaii on Jan 7, 2008 5:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Delicious!
i love my cereal foxy!!!
"Threes, twos, free throws, off screens, off the dribble...it was All You Can Eat Night and he had two forks and a tapeworm." - Dave

by ratbastird on Jan 7, 2008 6:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Playoffs
Playoffs are the best thing that could happen to the team. Even if they didn't progress past the first round, it is that kind of experience which would make them a better team next year. Plus it would be big for me, this is my senior year, and when the Blazers drafted Oden, I thought it would be a great year. Now even without him, there is a chance for me to enjoy the team playing through May, something I have been without for too long.

by blazersfan50 on Jan 7, 2008 4:22 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

"We might get a championship this year"
     Not completely unrealistic. Improbable
perhaps, but possible. Some of you won't remember
our 1975-76 team and it's young improving squad.
Oh by the way, that young, team first squad
won a championship (77). They bought into a defensive mindset and had complete trust in their teammates and coaching staff. Sound familiar?
     Yes, I will be stoked when we make the playoffs. Why ? If you win the NW division, then
you have the # 3 seed in the 1st round .
     The other positive in making the playoffs is that ALL Blazer fans will get to watch, despite the Coincast monopoly.
*  Fingers crossed for a healthy group.

* You know Denver will have health issues with
   KMart and Camby, etc.

      Bring back our Blazers !!! Coincast sucks !

It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on Jan 7, 2008 4:35 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Only two reasons why
Sure, I'd like to see the team ("team":  much better word than "them") make the playoffs.  But for two, and only two, reasons:  

  1.  If by that point in the team's development, the team has a realistic chance to win it all.  NBA Championship.  If the team is obviously a stepping-stone for the team's first- or second-round opponent, maybe it is better to watch some other group of losers perform as expected.

  2.  No offense to Greg Oden, who appears to be the Real Deal, and whose contribution-to-come allows me realistically to look forward to years of fulfilled cheering for champions after champions; but if this year's team can do really, really well, then the coming dynasty will be the Trailblazer Dynasty, not the Oden Dynasty.  Oden will be the centerpiece of a complete team, not the Moses that led a bunch of journeymen to the Promised Land.  

by monkeysuncle on Jan 7, 2008 5:33 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I remember!!
I remember the hats the Drexler-led Blazer team wore when heading into the playoffs. "In it to win it"!! Nice slogan. This team should live this mantra ..."Ya gotta get in it to win it". Lets get there and see what happens. This team has been full of suprises. Roy wins ROY. Blazers win #1 pick. 13 game winning streak (and 16 of 17). Let's get in the playoffs and see what they pull outta their sleeve (I know that basketball jerseys don't have sleeves but what the heck).

GO BLAZERS!!!

by 92wastheyear on Jan 7, 2008 8:35 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

You PLAY to WIN the GAME.
This Blazer team believes they can WIN every game.

And so far, that belief has become reality almost every time since December 2nd.

All they have to do is keep believing, and keep winning. You string enough wins together, and eventually they MAKE you stop playing, and put rings on your fingers.

Ultimately, some team is going to have to step up and show they can beat the Blazers in a 7-game series. I have no doubt of this.

San Antonio would be tough. Boston? Perhaps even tougher. But stranger things have happened, and the season ain't over 'til it's over.

by Majikj0n on Jan 7, 2008 8:47 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

let me just say
that I really have NO preference for us making the playoffs this year.  I remember when we JUST missed the playoffs a few years ago (after getting Miles from Cleveland) and being really disappointed, breaking our streak and everything.  But this year isn't like that.  I know they NEXT year is our year to really stick it to the league, I like what's going on but honestly getting blown out by Phoenix or San Antonio in the first round is no different than just missing the playoffs.

Be patient, Blazer fans!  We've got a great thing and many rings are coming to us.  This year, we're just seeing the tip of the iceberg.  Whatever happens will be irrelevant in five years when we're getting rings on our fingers.

by kickbrass on Jan 7, 2008 8:59 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

The Rockets / T-Mac
Okay, from my readings this all boils down to a trade off regarding player development.

There are 2 types of player development:

  1. Developing skills.  This means play McRoberts and letting Martell handle the ball more and seeing what Channing looks like playing 25 minutes consistently etc. etc.  

  2. Experience Development.  This means playing as a pressure, seeing what Brandon Roy looks like playing 46 minutes a game, and keeping Steve Blake in the game for control.

A lot of people have acknowledged that a playoff push would sacrifice the first one for the second one, but insisted that the second one would be more valuable. That makes sense in my head too.

But what came to mind was the Houston Rockets and Tracey McGrady.  They/he have plenty of playoff experience, so why do they keep sucking?  Same with Dallas, and they lost in the first round (to an exceptional team who had a brilliant game tonight).  Even the Lakers, of late, have playoff experience.  

I don't know what you want to do with this, but there it is:
Playoff Experience is not always that useful.

by rmcdougall on Jan 7, 2008 11:24 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Development is done
It's time to win.  Don't teach your team that winning isn't important.  This team cared enough about winning to get into a scuffle with each other.  If you ever have a player OKAY with not winning, you should get rid of that player.

There's not even a question.  If you can win and teach your guys to win, you go out there and win.

The only reason why you develope other guys is because winning in the future will be greater if you do so.

The future has arrived and it's GO time even if GO isn't here.

"Threes, twos, free throws, off screens, off the dribble...it was All You Can Eat Night and he had two forks and a tapeworm." - Dave

by ratbastird on Jan 8, 2008 11:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Great point, rmcdougall
I'm growing weary of NBA pundits saying that a team has to pay its dues in the playoffs before having a shot at the title.  The 1977-78 Blazers didn't need playoff experience, because they came into the playoffs for the first time already knowing what experienced playoff teams have had to learn: how to play the right way.  These Blazers are already on that path, so I won't be at all surprised if they go deep into the playoffs this season.

If the Blazers don't do well in the playoffs this season, it will be because they need GO, not because they need to learn some lessons about playoff basketball.

by MiledAnimal on Jan 8, 2008 11:26 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

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