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One of the main subplots in last night's game appears to be Kevin Garnett and his chatter.  The Boston feed didn't highlight it too much but apparently the Portland side noticed his trash talking.  Since the conversation is happening in many threads I figured we should centralize it.

--Does it bother you that Garnett jawed at the Blazers?

--Do you think it got under Portland's skin and affected the performance last night?

--How is KG different than other trash talkers?

I will add a shade of my own to this:  part of it at least we brought upon ourselves.  I don't mean the players necessarily.  I think they've been going about their business in a quiet and professional manner.  But the Boston folks had to have heard the talk around the league, in the power rankings, in the newsclips, maybe even among the Portland fanbase about whether the Blazers were for real...or maybe even an elite team.  Even the Boston announcers started the game saying this would be a tough game for the Celtics, as if it were a meeting of two equals.  I think part of Boston's mission was to prove that it wasn't.  This isn't anything personal against Portland.  Anybody who came in there assuming equality was going to get put down.  Portland is not at Boston's level yet, so in essence our headlines were writing checks that the team couldn't cash.  I bet part of KG's chatter was sending that message.  Had we come in there and trounced the Celtics I assume the trash-talking would have been more subdued.  Same thing probably had we come in with an 8-28 record.  I'm sure that--overtly or covertly--the message from the Celtics today is "People said the Blazers might be a top team but now you know in no uncertain terms who the top team is.  And don't forget it."

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

P.S. Note that Casey wrote about this subject even before we did.

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The stat line shows
the difference.  Talking is not officially a stat is it?  There's many different ways to send a message.  Do it KG style and you are a jerk.  Do it like the Spurs did, and you're classy.  Seriously, look at the difference.  KG's got little wiener syndrome.  He talks to much.  The spurs?  How many rings do they have?  How much do they talk?
Blessed are the flexible, for they never get bent out of shape.

by hobobob on Jan 17, 2008 1:48 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No
but they sure do whine a hell of a lot. Duncan's never commited a foul in his opinion! That's another thing I LOVE about the current Blazers, they don't complain about calls UNLESS WARRANTED, even then sometimes they don't

by mark twain on Jan 17, 2008 1:54 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

for m
It was a few things about his chatterboxing that bothered me. 1.) It was OBVIOUSLY affecting LaMarcus and Joel, so the fact it was actually working pissed me off 2.) We weren't jawing back, which caused him to do it even more 3.) The obvious being that Garnett hasn't done anything significant in his carreer as a team, and I don't think his high and mighty "i'm so great, we're the best" crap has any validity. I like that our team isn't like that, though I would have liked some more fire from the guys. My general opinion about Garnett now is that he is a punk who is bitter that his carreer hasn't garnered him any significant victories and now he's a part of the "Florida Marlins", so to speak, and still might not win.

by mark twain on Jan 17, 2008 1:51 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think the talking bothered Joel and LMA
as much as some of the BS calls they got while defending KG.  Of course KG is going to think he's unstoppable when the ref's have his back.  One play sticks out in my mind from the second half: KG has the ball against LaMarcus. He drives makes the shot and gets "fouled" LaMarcus is with him step for step sliding his feet and when KG shoots he initiates all the contact on play... foul on LaMarcus.  These calls drive me crazy, the NBA could benefit greatly if there were a few more no-calls.

by TheHeadBandWagon on Jan 17, 2008 4:08 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's actually a sign of a good player.
They know that if the officials are going to call contact like that, it will almost always be in favor of the offensive player.  That's one reason Dwyane Wade gets so many calls.  About the only time the offensive player gets called when initiating contact is if he lowers his shoulder, pushes or clears off the defender with his off arm or the defender is standing still.

A lot of people complain about flopping, but I believe it's a result of how officials call contact.  

by timg56 on Jan 18, 2008 6:46 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Trash Talking
Is a part of the game. Maybe not a pleasant part, maybe not a "nice" part, but it's not against the rules, last time I checked. (Just so long as it doesn't get physical, and it isn't directed at the referees or fans.)  

Does it bother me that KG was trash talking? No. Not at all. In fact, he's probably doing us a favor. This team needs to learn how to handle it. The fact that the Celtics were actually afraid enough of the Blazers to pull out all the psychological tactics they'd normally reserve for the playoffs is actually kind of flattering.

Do I think it got under Portland's skin and affected the performance last night? Yes indeed. It did. But that's part of the learning experience. And you can bet, with the way this team is picking things up, that they will learn from this not only how to handle themselves in such situations, but perhaps even learn how to effectively employ this as a weapon of their own.

KG actually strikes me as someone who only talks trash because he has learned that it gives him a competitive edge. If it didn't, he wouldn't say a word. In this, his attitude is similar to former celebrated trash-talkers, such as MJ, or Larry Legend. Where he differs is that he tends to save the jawing for special occasions. MJ and Larry would be jawing all game, every game, regardless. KG tends to pick his spots.

Honestly, we should thank Boston. Last night was one of the best learning experiences this team could possibly have used, and as an added bonus to the lesson in psychological warfare, this may have injected a healthy dose of humility into a team that was maybe, just maybe, starting to get a little too much ego going.

Look for the Blazers to take this game, and use it as motivation to reach that next level even faster.

by Majikj0n on Jan 17, 2008 1:52 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hope not...
and I quote..."but perhaps even learn how to effectively employ this as a weapon of their own.".

Maybe you want to see these high-class athletes of ours become barbarians, but I do not. The fact that they are so humble, selfless and civilized is a wonderful tribute to themselves and the organization - and something I can only hope will become a model for future generations.

"We just took the Jazz out behind the woodshed and tanned them twice for every single thing they've ever done wrong. " - Dave

by LaMarvelous on Jan 17, 2008 7:11 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Odom
A couple of weeks ago Lamar Odom speared Ray Allen.

I cant remember which talking head on ESPN it was, but he said that Boston has been running their mouths non stop vs everyone. He expected to see more retaliation throughout the remainder of the season.

Put 3 perennial loser-all stars on a team and they start winning, you gotta expect a heavy dose of trash talk.

I cannot wait for Detroit over Boston in 6.

by WALKING on Jan 17, 2008 1:54 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

KG jawing
Does it bother me - no.

Did it get under Portland's skin - I don't know about the players (I'd think not).  It certainly seemed to for a lot of the fans here.

How is KG different - I wouldn't say he is, but then I don't pay much attention to talkers. One of the things I like so much about our team.  They keep their mouths shut and let their actions speak for them.

Does it change my perception of KG - not really.  I don't know exactly what he was saying and how he was saying it.  Even if I did, at most it might cause me to lower my opinion slightly, but only because I don't think much of trash talking.  Overall I respect Garnett's game enough not to let it effect my opinion.

The best way to deal with talkers is to ignore them.  They usually hate that.

by timg56 on Jan 17, 2008 1:57 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Talk
hey they can talk all they want as long as they keep winning and backing up their words, if we want to shut them up we need to make them look stupid for running their mouths... I think your comments are right on Dave, they wouldn't have been talking if they didn't feel like they were proving a point by beating us.  It's nice to know that other teams are taking us seriously, and that beating us is something to talk about.  Hopefully the Blazers remember all that trash talk when Boston comes to Portland later in the season.

by CTBlazerfan on Jan 17, 2008 2:01 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well said...
I can't wait until the night they come to our house and we show them the right way to win - with GAME and nothing but GAME. I hope the Blazers stuff their words down their throats like Super-Trout stuffing the basket - WITH AUTHORITY!
"We just took the Jazz out behind the woodshed and tanned them twice for every single thing they've ever done wrong. " - Dave

by LaMarvelous on Jan 17, 2008 7:19 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can't wait 'til next year
When the Blazers get to introduce Kevin Garnett's mouth to Greg Oden's backside. Then we'll see who's talking.

It must suck to be a Celtics fan, to have everything bet on this one year, and knowing they can't even get past the Wiz let alone the Pistons, while the Blazers have many, many years of terrific team basketball ahead of them.

by kro on Jan 17, 2008 2:03 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Talk is cheap.
So is trash talk.  It bothers me not at all that Kevin Garnett talks trash a lot.  If it bothers the Blazers it's because they are a young team.  It shouldn't.  Does Garnett trash talk more than others?  I have a hard time believing he could out talk Cassell or Gary Payton.  He drops a lot of f-bombs, but whatever floats his boat.  He wants to intimidate, and sometimes he succeeds.  The Blazers did most of his work for him before the opening tip.  I personally rank his trash talking as a non-factor.

by ranma on Jan 17, 2008 2:12 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Much ado about nothing IMO
There are trash talkers all around the league. KG has been a trash talker his whole career.  Did he step it up last night a bit?  Probably, and for all the reasons you mentioned.  I'm sure it may have taken the Blazers' focus off the task at hand a bit and that didn't hurt the Celtic cause.  But were the Blazers actually intimidated by the Big Mouth?  More likely highly annoyed and a little frustrated.  But I don't think it really made too much of an impact on the game.  Yes, the Blazers were tight and looked nervous starting the game.  But that had far more to do with the magnitude and scope of the game itself than on Garnett's mouth.  And they played through it and came back to take the lead.  It was Boston's defense that had the biggest impact on the outcome of the game.

Speaking of trash talking... I generally don't waste time with the trash Canzano writes but I couldn't help myself today at lunch due to the headline.  What a bunch of BS.  The Blazers didn't lose their confidence at all.  I believe they lost a little of their poise under the Celtic defensive pressure, but not thier confidence.  Of course, JC has to sensationalize every possible thing and make stories up where they don't exist because that's his way.  

by R11 on Jan 17, 2008 2:16 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually
Brandon Roy himself said they didn't come out believing they could beat this team, so obviously their confidence was down from the get go. Did the trash talking make it worse? Obviously it got them rattled.

by mark twain on Jan 17, 2008 2:23 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He said the Blazers lost "all courage"
because of Garnett's mouth...  That's just hogwash.  Perhaps Johnny himself was intimidated and shaking in his boots sitting on the sidelines but I doubt it was more than a frustrating distraction to the Blazers.  Roy said he thought the trash talking might have gotten to the bigs "a little" which is what I also said.  It looked to me that his antics were a frustrating thorn in their side and it likely took their concentration off the real task at hand. If they were totally intimidated and lost all courage they would have folded their tent and been blown out.  Instead, they came back and fought to the end. It wasn't the Blazers lack of courage or Garnett's mouth that lost the game for the Blazers.  The trash talking didn't force all those turnovers or drop those timely threes in the 4th by Ray Allen... Now if you want to tell me the Blazers were a little intimidated by Garnett's inside defensive presence and shooting I'd probably buy that.  But not his mouth...

by R11 on Jan 17, 2008 4:06 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am thinking
that the trash talk didn't necessarily cause us to lose the game but it might give us more incentive not to lose another one...or at least not to lose to them for very long.

--Dave

by Dave on Jan 17, 2008 5:47 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah
Remember 'roaches'?  

by DonkeyShins on Jan 18, 2008 11:50 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who cares?
--Does it bother you that Garnett jawed at the Blazers?

No, part of the game.  Trashtalking especially from someone who backs it up is totally fine.  Bird and Jordan were huge trashtalkers.  Payton, whatever, who cares?

--Do you think it got under Portland's skin and affected the performance last night?

Maybe, although I don't really think so.  Unlike that knucklehead Canzano, I think the main reason lma, frye and trout had difficulties is not because of the trashtalking, but, you know, because the celts are damned good and play amazing team defense.

--How is KG different than other trash talkers?

Not at all.

by howlingfantods on Jan 17, 2008 2:19 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seems like it was a factor
And I agree with those who say this was a prime learning opportunity.  

Rather than respond with words, or even good play, I would have liked a little heat.  

Seems to me that if Aldridge is really gonna be that post presence, he needs to be capable of being dominant.  I'm not saying play dirty, or only play that way, but I think the truly great physical players have a key ability.  Look, they say, I can beat with my smooth finesse and skill, or I can come at ya with the 'bows flying.  A good hard foul was called for, to send a message.  

I think that's what Lucas was really saying -- if he'd been in the game, he wouldn't have jawed back.  He wouldn't have started forcing it on the offensive end.  He would have started banging HARD on the defensive end and sent a message.  

The message is very simple.  You can run your mouth, but we ain't listening, and if you want a dirty game, we play rough, not talk rough.  

Trash talking is a part of the game, and is an art in its own right.  It was clearly s valuable tool for the C's last night.  

But really, the bigger concern I think is the way Toronto and Boston have shown a solid blueprint for how to beat the team ball and zone the B's are playing.  Expect to see more of it, and expect the Blazers to lost a game or two while they adjust.  

by greyhound9 on Jan 17, 2008 2:26 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

talk talk talk
I think it bothered the Blazers more than it should have.  At one point in the game, Aldridge starting mouthing back.  From that point on, Aldridge hardly did anything.  All KG wants is for people to STOP focusing on the game.  Once someone starts jawing back, its over...he's got you.  That is unless you are as mouthy as KG, and then it doesn't bother you...Baron Davis comes to mind.  As others have said here, it was hopefully a great learning experience.  

by clonigro on Jan 17, 2008 2:27 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

KG
Was just doing his job, plain and simple. Deal with it. Learn from it. And when the Celtics come to the Garden, sit in the 300 level if you're worried about players dropping f-bombs in front of your kids . . .

by Corvid on Jan 17, 2008 2:32 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Since When?
Is Trash Talking a part of the league?  Tell me where in the league rules, by-laws etc it say's that you have the Right to drop F-bombs and act like an adolescent in front of children on National Television?  A supposed rational, mature adult does this on his job?  This is how a Professional conducts themselves in the workplace?
In my opinion, no.  I don't think too much of people who condone this kind of conduct either.

by coastrider on Jan 17, 2008 2:52 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The league
would have to expressly forbid it and then they would have to enforce it.  That's a logistical nightmare, and could make the game a worse product.  Could you imagine game stoppages everytime someone said f***?

The league basically doesn't take it that seriously.  People like Garnett are clowns.  If you take a step back, it's kind of humorous to watch him.

by ranma on Jan 17, 2008 3:05 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If you
take it seriously enough and hit them with enough T's and fines, believe me, they would find a way to curb their filthy mouths. There wouldn't be a logistical nightmare...two T's and you're gone. Problem solved.

And I think they should do it. This is a family atmosphere, not Tuesday night open gym.

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by jamon51 on Jan 17, 2008 3:21 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also
I'd recommend that any new readers of BlazersEdge read the rules (not aimed specifically at you, Ranma, just a general observation) which do specify  that profanity is not permitted here, including the occasional H E double hockey sticks.

Rules here:

http://www.blazersedge.com/story/2007/5/27/35733/4476

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by jamon51 on Jan 17, 2008 3:25 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, ok, I'll just
use the term f-bomb then.  Or, what... should I just say KG-Speak?  I was using it as trying to be specific to coastrider's point.

I have a feeling the Player's union would have something to say about the idea of doling out technicals everytime someone curses.  It's one thing to call a travel every time someone carries the ball over when they might not be used to seeing that called (like we've seen with points of emphasis).  But that's basketball.  

Cursing has nothing to specifically do with basketball.  It's not even a sign of the times.  People have always cursed, especially a bunch of athletes trying hard to compete.  It's just something you either care about or you don't.  The league doesn't.  They try their best not to mike it to the audience, and they go on with their lives.

by ranma on Jan 17, 2008 3:44 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Reading those would be good for all who haven't
But I don't remember saying "hell" was part of it, as I say that upon occasion.  As in:  "What the hell was Travis/Sergio/Martell/Jarrett thinking?!?"

Also of note lately: disguised symbol profanity is also not allowed except for the traditional comic strip @#$*#!!! depiction.  However Ramna was quoting Garnett directly, which is the one exception.  That's exactly what KG said.

--Dave

by Dave on Jan 17, 2008 3:45 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess
I was always under the impression "hell" was profanity. This is a "non-profanity" site. Logical conclusion would be that it's not allowed. But I guess it's your site and you make the rules. If this ever turned into a site that allowed profanity I'd probably visit a lot less. As it is, I appreciate how you have it set up.
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by jamon51 on Jan 18, 2008 11:04 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Uh oh, Dave
You've just opened up a legal-loophole nightmare - call it 'The KG Defense'.  

by DonkeyShins on Jan 18, 2008 11:53 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think everyone
has made some good points and there is little to disagree with.

Joel said KG has been trash talking him for 8 yrs. so if it bothered Joel as someone suggested, he has never learned to deal with it which is a little disconcerting.  But I don't think the talk caused the frustration, turnovers, etc.  As I said in another thread, I don't think this team has faced anyone before who came out with the intention of pounding them into the ground. Boston wouldn't have been able to hold their heads up if we had beaten them - the Wiz? yeah cuz that was a fluke - but these young upstarts?  Show them who is best.  I don't think it was as easy as Boston hoped so they did everything they could. They were fighting for a lot more than we were last night.  (And rereading Dave's post I see I simply restated his thoughts.  Someday I'll learn to read every single word before I reply.)

Trash talking is part of the game but I think it is foolish - mainly because it can make the talker look foolish (can you say Gilbert Arenas?).  

As long as our guys learn to play through it and not get caught up in answering back (except through superb play) they'll be OK.  (It would sure as #$@&%& wreck my concentration, but then I'm a sensitive shy 98# weakling.)

"They were playing the game with a great deal of passion and excitement and it was a real bear's den to be involved in." - Jerry Sloan on the Blazers, 01/05/08

by jorga on Jan 17, 2008 2:54 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dont bring your kids to the celtics game
It literally was trash talking. The blazer feed showed him running down the court multiple times saying every cuss word imaginable. He just looked like an idiot. I guess that is what happens when a player who has never mattered finally gets on a winning team. He goes from fiery competitor on a underachieving team to arrogant ahole. Good luck in the playoffs boston. Cherish theses times, because in 3 years you will be worse off than the knicks and kevin mchale will not be there to bail you out again.

by Sabonis4Ever on Jan 17, 2008 2:58 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What bugged me
Was not KG's talking, but the fact that the Blazers either back down from it, or just let it frustrate them. Personally I feel there are only 2 ways to deal with trash talking players, either a) be better at talkin trash than them, or b)beat them so bad they have nothing to talk about.

I would love to see LMA get in KG's face a bit more, he seemed affected by KG's constant babble. Either stand up to him, chest to chest and make him respect you, or he will do this every time you play him. It's not personal, it is just talkin, nothing wrong with it, but I did feel there was something wrong with how the Blazers handled it.

BTW I love B.Roy's quote after the game when asked about the Talk and intimidation affecting the team, "it won't happen next time". That is what I am talking about. On 2/24 when Boston comes to Portland show them how good we really are, no quit, no backin down, just winning basketball.

by usmcr3049 on Jan 17, 2008 3:02 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can't see being intimidated physically by KG
He is a friggin' bean pole. Heck of a player but if he wants to get into a shoving match I can't say he would be much of a force. A nice hard foul or two should do the trick. Of course he would get up and defend his manhood and possibly get kicked out of the game. Which would be US getting into HIS head.

If I were LA I would say," KG you're a great player. But don't try to be a tough guy. If you keep it up I will be forced to knock you on your butt in front of your fans. Talk all the smack you want but lay a hand on me and I WILL END IT! Maybe do a couple snap kicks into the air as you run back up the court.

OK, I have an over active imagination.

You always have to stand up to the bully, it takes away their power. Who cares about the talking trash, ignor that. But if someone tries to physically intimidate you.. Put a stop to it.. Quickly.

by jferg on Jan 17, 2008 3:03 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

SNAP KICKS?!?!?!?!!?
That was awesome.  I could just imagine him try it too.  Only if.
Blessed are the flexible, for they never get bent out of shape.

by hobobob on Jan 17, 2008 3:23 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wait until Oden develops a mean streak.
Garnett will be doing all his shooting from beyond the arc.

by timg56 on Jan 18, 2008 7:10 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think trash talk is funny
It does not bother me and I think is part of the game.  I think the game would be better if they followed some of the rules from Blazers Edge.  I just do not see that happening.  

My biggest concern from last night was the cussing in front of the Blazers.  They are the youngest team in the league, and I feel they are too young to be exposed to those kinds of words.

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by tominhawaii on Jan 17, 2008 3:07 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Too much emphasis on trash talk
The trash talking may have been part of what happened, but I don't think it was the main thing. The trash talking was accompanied by a very, very physical Garnett.

I'm not talking about him pushing someone or out muscling them, I'm talking about Garnett guarding Aldridge so close that Aldridge couldn't move.

So KG is drapped all over whoever is guarding like a coat. And when Aldridge tries to post up, he get called for an offensive foul. Outlaw tried to show that KG was impeding progress, but it wasn't getting called so he finally came down the court and gave KG a shoulder which got called as an offensive foul.

I'm not saying that the calls should have gone the Blazers way (although the Aldridge offensive foul was puzzling). My main point is that KG was all over the players away from the ball. They couldn't cut, they couldn't dribble, and they didn't seem to be able to figure out how to get the foul called.

I've played games where someone has decided that they are going to shadow your every move, drape themselves over you, and dare you (in a pickup game) to call it every time down the court. That is essentially what KG was doing.

And then he was talking trash on top of it. My point is this: trash talking absent the way he was guarding people wouldn't have had an impact. By the time someone makes it to the NBA, they've played enough basketball to have heard a ton of trash talking.

What happened was the trash talking came on the heals of being unable to address the physical nature of KG's defense. Figure out a way to be effective with someone who is invading your personal space on every possession, and the trash talking won't ever become an issue.

by grigs on Jan 17, 2008 3:20 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree that it bothered
Blazer fans more than it bothered the Blazers.  I thought our guys were poised in the face of the physical intensity and calls not going their way, and that the trash talking was less of an issue for them than those other things.  I was more concerned with their opening jitters and turnovers.

Re: Garnett, I was one of the folks that started a thread re: KG's behavior.  To be clear, his trash talking didn't bother me, though I prefer my basketball without it.  

I just wanted to point out what a cantankerous, joyless group those guys have in their Big 3, coupled with a deer-in-headlights coach, a squirming GM in the stands, a supporting cast who's fortunes have been tied to group of wild-eyed, desperate gamblers who have just gone all-in; playing in front of a practically numb fan  base who simultaneously expects greatness, while still figuring out if they actually like their team.

If there has ever been a crappy 31- 6 team, this is it, and in that context, KG's demonstrative, almost desperate, trash-talking is kind of sad.

by royalridge on Jan 17, 2008 3:22 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Garnett
Looked to me that Ray Ray beat us. Hes ungardable when he is on.

Garnett wants to win every game too much.He is one guy that if the blazers would have traded for him I would stop watching them. Wasn't it him that grabbed chris Kamens kiwis from behind?

Talk about "ballin."

by meatwad1 on Jan 17, 2008 3:27 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No it wasn't him
it was Reggie Evans.

Damn that was funny.

by iDea on Jan 17, 2008 3:34 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

KG did elbow
Fransisco Elson in the groining during a playoff game. I thought there was an unspoken rule that dudes weren't supposed to go there.

by Lance Uppercut on Jan 17, 2008 3:40 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tell that to Joel
His huevos are still having nightmares.

by DonkeyShins on Jan 18, 2008 11:55 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It wasn't Garnett
I wrote about Garnett's verbal onslaught this morning. You could tell from the tip of last night's game that the Blazers were a little nervous, so unless KG was standing outside the locker room pre-game, I doubt his colorful language lead to the loss.

But KG is a punk nonetheless. If the Blazers were giving him attitude in his house, then maybe you go off the deep end like he did last night. But if you're the only one talking, you're an jerk. When Antonio McDyess tried to throw down with KG, KG ran. It's proof that some guys, when they go uncheck for too long, get to thinking that they're tougher than they really are.

by Lance Uppercut on Jan 17, 2008 3:39 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry for the omission Casey
I haven't been able to check around much today.  I have you linked in the main post now.

--Dave

by Dave on Jan 17, 2008 3:48 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Completely unnecessary
I demand that you take back that apology. I just wanted to get in on the conversation.

by Lance Uppercut on Jan 17, 2008 3:51 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nice clip
Love watching KG run like a little girl from McDyess!!! That is hillarious. That's pretty much what's going to happen next year when GO is laying down the law, that's for damn sure!

by mark twain on Jan 17, 2008 8:43 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what?
Are we really crying about trash talk?
Wow. Who cares... it is a part of the game and it always has been.

by Jack Burton on Jan 17, 2008 3:55 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True, but
fighting also use to be a part of the game as well. If you want to run your mouth non-stop, that's your choice. But if that's the case, the other players should be free to remove your teeth from your mouth without fear of being suspended.

by Lance Uppercut on Jan 17, 2008 4:12 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fighting can hurt people,
damaging valuable NBA assets.  Talking can't.

by ranma on Jan 17, 2008 4:20 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True enough
but I doubt that's the reason the NBA took steps to eliminate fighting.

by Lance Uppercut on Jan 17, 2008 4:35 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They did it because of
the blow to their PR, and bottom line.  No?

by ranma on Jan 17, 2008 5:02 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's petty much what Mo Lucas said.
He commented to the effect that trash talking wasn't much of an issue when he played - for exactly the reason you point out.

by timg56 on Jan 18, 2008 7:04 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I ask myself
Would I be okay with any of the blazers talking trash like Garnet?  Nope

Yes, we get it he's psyched, and he wants to win.

Stagger Lee

by StaggerLee on Jan 17, 2008 4:46 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sometimes I enjoy it...
I loved it when LMA responded to Rickey Davis's trash talking with a little bit of his own:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YD9yGYVYGMk

by OutrageousJ on Jan 17, 2008 5:59 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Trash talk is part of KG's game but
I don't know. I've never seen it like that yesterday. I have watched wolves vs. blazer games on tv and live, and I think maybe the Celtic pride has gotten into some of their heads, especially KG's. I will say I am disappointed because he was one of my fave players, and to see your fave players trashing your favorite home-bred team has negative effects.

But, it is a part of his tenacity and his demonstration of how he gets into games. And he stays out of trouble, doesn't he? This isn't a Stephen Jackson we're talking about. (Though he hasn't done anything terrible lately).

James Jones for the block

by RecordTOs on Jan 17, 2008 4:48 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Muzzle?
Several years ago, I was coutside instead of at my usual 200 level seat and I was astounded by KG's trash talking-- constant, foul and inciting.  I've paid attention to it ever since and have thought how to combat it.  Obviously the best way is to shut up and play well and when you have to foul him, foul hard. When he's outplaying you, it is hard to comment back and have it mean anything. At this point, I think you use it as motivation to elevate your game and be confident that this team will get payback.  What I don't understand is why the NBA doesn't crack down on the offensive, abusive and inciteful nature of some trashtalking, as it is as inflamatory on the court as a well placed elbow and as offensive to courtside attendees as a raised middle finger.

by reffster on Jan 17, 2008 4:48 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Danny Ainge
would have hit him in the head with the ball on an inbounds play like he did to Mario Elle.  We need somebody with a good arm.

by Kampeska on Jan 17, 2008 4:55 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mike Barrett's blog
"KG was constantly in the ear of any player near him, and is very good at getting away with the little veteran tricks of the trade. As the teams were coming out at halftime, he went out of his way to find LaMarcus Aldridge, and then slammed his shoulder into LaMarcus' chest, just as Aldridge was looking back at a teammate. These are the things you don't see when you're watching a game on TV. I remember last season in Minnesota, he did the same thing to Martell Webster before the game, and after Martell said something, and turned to walk away, Garnett fired a ball at Webster's head. It just missed Webster, and flew into the stands. Martell was more shocked than anything, and wasn't sure how to respond."

This is the reason I think KG is a punk. The yapping is one thing but this is physical intimidation and is prohibited and should be a fine or suspension and a T if the game has started

by 92wastheyear on Jan 17, 2008 6:21 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not mad at Garnett
I'm mad at our team. Barrett's account is just embarassing in my opinion. Like he's looking for sympathy because his kid got bullied.

The team has to get tougher and stand up for themselves. They need an enforcer so Garnett and all the other jerks in the league don't pull this kind of crap.

I guarantee you if this team becomes eventual playoff mainstays we are going to get tagged with the "soft" label year after year.

by jayseyfield on Jan 17, 2008 8:47 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I disagree
That is like saying that you're a  wuss cause you got mugged with a knife. Blindsiding someone when game isn't even on or chucking a ball at someone who isn't looking is grounds for T or a suspension in my book.

PS when Oden is in the lineup and we are going to the playoffs I'll bet ya Priz will go out there and deck Garnett. He not give a crap if he has to sit out a couple of games. They will not be labled soft

by 92wastheyear on Jan 17, 2008 9:01 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Read that passage again
"Garnett fired a ball at Webster's head. It just missed Webster, and flew into the stands. Martell was more shocked than anything, and wasn't sure how to respond."

If someone threw a basketball at you are you saying you would just stand there? And this is just my interpretation but the way Barrett writes makes it seem Martell was scared hence the "shocked".

This wasn't Martell being mad but displaying a incredible amount of self-control. It was the school yard bully shoving him and the guy just freezing.

If someone does that you need to at least confront the guy.

by jayseyfield on Jan 17, 2008 9:30 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Shocked does not mean scared
And Martel had just said something to KG.  My impression of this is exactly what I thought watching the game the other night.  The Blazer players were just kind of dumbfounded at the blatant barrage from him they were witnessing.  Several times I saw a couple of our players look at each other, kind of chuckle and shake their heads at each other over it, as if to say, "Dude's a friggin' wack, man".  

by R11 on Jan 18, 2008 5:08 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just watched the Garnett fight with McDyess.
The Blazers should watch that and then they can put KG on front street where he belongs.

It was almost as if he was like, "Oh crap, someone is actually calling my bluff. I'm outta here!"

by jferg on Jan 17, 2008 6:56 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My Smack
--Does it bother you that Garnett jawed at the Blazers?

No. I was listening on the radio and did not hear or see any trash talkin'.
People talk, players talk, some times we even yell. What I do and how I react is all that I can control. I try to except what I cannot change.

--Do you think it got under Portland's skin and affected the performance last night?

Don't know.
 I only know my own experiences. I was a Baseball Player (Kendrick #9, strong armed, wide ranging, switch hitting SS) evolving into a Softball player, Fast pitch Softball Coaches Asst. for the Lady Cheesemakers), Handball, Tennis (in my Freshman Year, chose Baseball) and still playing Racquetball. Hearing distance in Baseball for me was infrequent. Usually happening with interaction with men on base. Lotta talkin' `bout leadin' and stealin', no you can't, yes I can, can't, can, I'm Fast Freddy, Fastest man on the team, no you ain't, yes I am. Liar, you da liar, no I'm not, yes you are, not, are, so on and so forth. One time I remember, because I shined. Was during a game in the rain. The infield was muddy. I was diving for grounders because I didn't what to trust my footing. Had just dove for a grounder and caught it, in the gap between the third baseman and shortstop. The opposing Team's Third base Coach yelled at me. "Can't you stay on your feet". That made me a better SS. Seems like the next hit was in the same area! I planted my right foot in the mud, trusting my cleats to dig in and turned the double (no big deal led the league). That bit o' jawin' made a BIG difference in the way I played, learning, from being pushed, in what I could do. Good Coach, Thank you Jim Bedford! So that is. Enjoyed every bit of it and in my early (Marshall/Lincoln High School, Connie Mack years, helped me grow.

Let's go to a more (one of the closest) intimate sport. Handball (Racquetball is the same) where you stand shoulder to shoulder, one on one, maybe no one else around. I was asked to play a visiting Air Force Officer, because I was the best the county could offer, ('77 State Championship got me with the scheduling. Remember showering and sleeping at my Brother-in-Laws house). He had a Z serve I couldn't hit. Never said a thing CREEPED ME OUT. I'm tying to get a return on it and can't, until it is way to late. May have or may have not thanked him for the game.  I was P.O.'d, this I remember.

    Another memory that is stuck in my mind. Frickin' Co-Ed Softball. This means both sexes play. My advice, a lot of fun but totally different emotions on the field of combat!  This is the only time I have left the fielding in a huff, unwilling to acknowledge another human beings presence! The batter is a "Lady Who Hates Me", Because of my High School Coaching. She had an arrogant (fielding Hitting SLOW PITCH daughter, who would not listen to (my daughters led Fast Pitch ways). I`m pitchin', Slow pitch, game is tied. The Mother who hate Me is up to bat. I'm droppin' the ball, dead center, right behind the plate. Ump's callin' "BALLS". Bases are loaded (why? Don't remember. Probably my fault, maybe why I'm in. The Mother takes four called balls. That are droppin' behind the plate! We lose the Game! I am so P.O. that someone would take a win on walks, in a Slow Pitch Game, that I walk off the field, get my gear and acknowledge, NO ONE, NO HOW.

My daughter played her first Jr. High, Basketball Game, last night. Gots one rebound and was 0 for 2 FGs (I'm listening to the game on an FM Radio w/an "Ear Bud"). She ran up and down the court, beyond my expectations. Never a word between her and who she was guarding. Talking to her after the game about using your butt, hips and shoulders to hold or gain position, I said to her: ask the girl you're defending, Her name, what she does, what she wants to do. Why did I suggest this? You get to bond with the people you are plying with. I also knew it would be a momentary distraction, if she listened, giving my Daughter an advantage. So is competitive sports. Enjoy and partake.

The only "In Game" comment I made, was when I heard the Mikes say that KG did Not shake the hands of the Opposing Player, like usual for him. I than made a !/2 attempt at humor comment, to a post. That KG didn't shake your hand either. So it is.

--How is KG different than other trash talkers?

Don't have the slightest idea. I know I enjoyed Gary Patton's Talkin'. It seemed to be a pleasure for him to dot this. It was done with joy and exuberance. Some times he would look as serious as hell but if you watched him long enough, there would be a smile of pleasure, on his face.

"Lenny Suckerpunch NEVER bet on me!" - Elizabeth "The Lizzard" Lowblow

by Lizzy Lowblow on Jan 17, 2008 7:03 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Trash talking
Maybe we're worshiping the blazers too much here. We can be guilty of making our sports stars into heroes and this is probably the case. Everybody is thinking of the blazers as guys with halos around their heads and we want them to maintain this pretty image of good guys, clean nosed, etc.

But did anybody see on youtube where LaMarcus cussed at Ricky Davis after making a clutch free throw in response to Davis's jawing?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD9yGYVYGMk

We just couldn't say anything back this time because we were on the losing end of the stick.

Maybe we also need an enforcer type veteran. All of our guys are young and soft. Where's the Dale Davis, Brian Grant, etc. They don't have to be bad guys but this team will definitely need a mean streak in the future... one that isn't going to come from Greg Oden, he's another nice guy.

by crhsrunner on Jan 17, 2008 9:19 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree
You gotta love the irony. We just wanted all nice guys after the Jail Blazers era. We got them but they're too nice!

They can be as nice as they want off the court but on the court I want to see some testoserone.

I'm not saying we need to recreate the Detroit-Indiana fight. But if Garnett or some other punk is bumping you you need to bump back.

by jayseyfield on Jan 17, 2008 9:34 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmmmmmm...
There once was a guy named Garnett
Who revved up his mouth like a 'Vette
but we can't help saying
twelve years he's been playing
and he still ain't won nothin' yet

by Dave on Jan 17, 2008 10:04 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

To Much Tell
In the shuffling madness
of the Blazers loss,
runs the all-time loser,
headlong to his death.

You feel the piston scraping --
steam breaking on your brow --
Some one stole the handle and
the train won't stop going --
no it won't slow down.

His members and his best friend --
are postin' and having fun.
He's crawling down the corridor
on his hands and knees --

Some one stole the handle and
the train won't stop going --
no it won't slow down.

He hears the silence howling --
catches angels as they fall.
And the all-time winner
has got him by the balls.
He picks up Gideons Bible --
open at page one --

Some one stole the handle and
the train won't stop going --
no way to slow down.

"Lenny Suckerpunch NEVER bet on me!" - Elizabeth "The Lizzard" Lowblow

by Lizzy Lowblow on Jan 17, 2008 10:30 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Its not about the trash talking,
I mean when Shaq intentionally tried to smash Joel's face with the ball to the ground nobody cared.  Nobody wanted to say "maybe" Shaq is not really a good guy in heart if he going to disrespect another man like that and actually hurting him. But the media idolized him so highly that he got away it on national television.  Its alright because he wanted to win that game.  Where's the logic in that.  What Shaq did was wrong plain and simple.  So its Joel's fault for being a bigger man and not taking a swing.  Being evil is a contagious virus that needs to stopped before it gets out of control.  People are getting so used it that they start ignoring it.  

Now look at the economy, you start letting big coporation's "greed" slide by taking jobs oversea and  giving loans to people to get quarterly reports up and now everybody's going to pay with a recession. People need look at the bigger picture.  Everthing is connected.  What you do effects everybody around you and that goes more when its on TV. Basketball is not a violent sport.  Thats why I love wathcing good clean basketball instead of all evil doings of the world on TV.  If I wanted to watch fighting I'll watch CNN or the local news.  Our soldiers overseas, now they are "really" fighting.  Whats right is right and whats wrong is wrong.  Pick a side.  

A big part of the problem is that the media has so much influence(propaganda) on how people think(for example the last ciggarette tax hike measure) that people stop using the head that can possible find the cure to AIDS instead of seeing who got the bigger one.  If we let the media slide by saying its alright to do these "bad" things then the next generation thinks its alright.  The US media makes money when "bad" things happen.  What do you think the media wants to happen so they can keep the shareholders happy.  I am man of principles so the trash talking and dirty play doesn't bother me, its the reasoning behind these acts.  Because it's a fact that humans will do anything to get what they want but its alright if your a media icon/idol?  What kind of message is that sending?  I am not stupid and kids are getting smarter and its not like its a subliminal message or something.

The blazers will learn more from this lost than if they had won the game.  Like Admiral Yamamoto said, "I'm afraid we just woken a sleeping giant."  

by theanomaly777 on Jan 18, 2008 12:28 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not all trash talking is bad
remember the scene a couple games ago in the second overtime where Joe Smith barely missed a put in but got to the line? He'd been making free throws like they were a layup drill, but he missed there (i think it was just one). Did you notice Jack talking with him and the two of them laughing? Not sure exactly what was said but I'd bet it was a bit of pseudotrashtalking (like Lebron James did to Arenas in the playoffs). I could see JJ being the kind of guy who will use words to pump up his team and get into the other teams head. I don't know if I'd want to see any Blazer going as overboard as KG does but it is really crucial to understand the psychological aspects of this game.

by djblazin420 on Jan 18, 2008 9:01 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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