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What It Means and Curse Dispersal

We're going to temporarily interrupt Guest Blogger Week because of the Oden surgery.  We'll still have all our guest bloggers, it's just they'll each get bumped back a day.  Right now my e-mail box is jammed with people asking if there's any information and what the effects could be.

As far as the first, they'll know more after the surgery on Thursday.  Hopefully we'll hear a preliminary report soon after, as this is obviously the biggest story of the summer outside of actually winning the lottery and the whole city is waiting.  Until we hear more reports speculation is no better than reading tea leaves.  Keep watching Casey, Joe, and Jason at Oregonlive, Mike Barrett, and the posts and diaries right here.  As soon as something is reported it'll be all over the place.

As far as what it means, obviously much depends on the surgery results.  As several people mentioned in the comments of the post below if it were a full-blown knee rupture it hardly seems possible that it could have gone undetected for days.  Therefore there's reason to hope it will be a relatively "minor" thing.  That said, any kind of surgery is probably going to involve weeks of recovery, which at this point extends through the pre-season.  I don't care who they are, rookies who miss training camp have a very hard time catching up.  There's simply not enough practice time during the regular season to make up for it.  Those who had visions of Oden coming out of the gate and ruling the league might want to adjust the timetable back a few months at least.  Hopefully it won't be any more damaging than that.  Since the upper expectations of the team weren't stellar this year anyway I'd say the overall impact will be relatively minor--providing, of course, that the injury to the knee is minor.  In other words my best guess is that this modifies the short-term expectations for Oden and the team but hopefully not the long-term ones at all.  That's just a guess though.

That doesn't change the fact that this feels like a gut-wrenching, soul-crushing blow to a lot of folks.  I've had some e-mails about that too...some from folks in anguish and others from folks wondering whether people are overreacting.  The short explanation is that both are understandable points of view.  Yes, this kind of thing is part and parcel of professional sports and probably everything is going to be just fine.  On the other hand Blazer fans are remembering Bill Walton's feet, Sam Bowie's leg, Steve Johnson's knees, Kevin Duckworth's waistline, Chris Dudley's free-throw stroke, Joel Przybilla's man-parts, and everything that's ever broken down on a whole litany of Blazer big men over the years.  It seems like every Blazer pivot with even a tinge of hype and talent has had trouble.  In fact looking back it seems nothing has been the same since the Walton fiasco.  The Red Sox had the Bambino, we have the curse of the Big Redhead.

For those who are feeling sick to their stomachs today, let me declare something:  If there is a curse it will not take hold here.  This is a new day.  These players are too wonderful and talented, this team is too well-run, and the future is far too rosy for even the worst curse to overcome.  In fact right here, right now we're going to reverse, disperse, override, dispel, and otherwise abjure any bad juju that's hanging around this team or its big men.  That's right...you and I, Blazer fans, we're going to do it.  We owe Greg that at least.

Here's how it's going to work.  You're going to write "Disperse the Curse" on a piece of paper.  You can also make drawings, stitch embroidery, make macaroni pictures, or whatever you want.  Draw a picture of Oden dunking over six opposing centers from different teams all at once.  Paint  Walton's foot and Bowie's leg with big red circle "NO" signs through them.  Write a poem, write vows of victory, or just leave the page blank except for the dispersal sentence.  If you have old Walton bobblehead dolls or locks of Shawn Kemp hair or Qyntel Woods trading cards or things that you suspect are bringing bad memories or bad juju you can throw those in too.

Take your piece of paper (and whatever else) and mail it to:

Blazersedge Curse Removal Department
c/o Dave
P.O. Box 125
Genesee, ID 83832

In a week or so after enough stuff has accumulated I am going to take it all out to the backyard, burn it, and let the smoke rise to the heavens and drift away, symbolizing the removal of the old juju and our ascending hopes for Greg's knee and the future.

I will photograph the collection of notes and/or items you send and also the burning and post both on the site.

It's time to unite with confidence, Blazer fans.  Like Mr. Oden we shall overcome.  I look forward to your submissions. Brownie points to whoever has the coolest postage stamp.

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

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Im in!
Ok I have seen the light. We must all remove our bad juju, and begin a new. No negative actions can bring down this young blood. Unite!

by littleharry on Sep 11, 2007 12:23 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we might as well come together
go is looking like he wont get 40 games in let alone 82..lets get freeland in here and let greg go ahead and shut it down this year get in nba shape and be ready next year..im not looking forward to injury reports before every game..wow i knew it was too good to be true..the writing is on the wall..he's not ready..say what you will but he's not ready for 40 games let alone 82..this is very sad
if it can be conceived it can be achieved

by lyfefindsaway on Sep 11, 2007 12:32 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bah
Waaaaaaaaay too early for that kind of talk.  And besides, the long-term health is much more important.  Besides, like we said, GOOD juju, not bad.

I expect a letter from you now.

--Dave

by Dave on Sep 11, 2007 12:34 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

my bad im sorry :O(
just real dissapointed sir...youll get a letter from me no doubt...long term is the right way to think
if it can be conceived it can be achieved

by lyfefindsaway on Sep 11, 2007 12:51 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For Oden the world is spinning...
The hype coming out of college, the pre-draft workouts, an ESPY appearance, pressure to play for Team USA, interview after interview (no wonder he had flaring tonsils!).  This injury may turn out positive for Oden though.  He'll get the opportunity to learn from the bench, join every one of Nate's huddles, support his teammates, become acclimated to the nba environment, and best of all he'll be extremely hungry and ready to dominate once fully healed.  

Side note: Oden will need to tone down the rim rocking and backboard slapping after each dunk.  The enthusiasm is appreciated but a big man contorting his back or unnecessarily elevating after a dunk only creates more strain and harder landings for a body we NEED healthy for at least the next decade.  

by Lou9700 on Sep 11, 2007 12:45 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed on point #2
I'm not so sure missing training camp is going to be a good thing.  As Dave said, look how that slowed Aldridge's development last season.  And even assuming this is routine cartilage repair, Oden's going to be out at least 6 weeks.  

But that's a great point about the rim-rocking dunks.  I'd been wincing a bit watching those; now he'll probably tone it down.  Big men who can get off the floor are at high risk for chronic lower leg problems.  No sense in wearing out your legs and feet on scrimmage dunks.

by hurryup09 on Sep 11, 2007 2:13 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My point being....
Oden will be able to ease his way into next season much like LA and Roy (not counting his first couple games).

by Lou9700 on Sep 11, 2007 1:32 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I plan on sending sumthin
Sending something should fix everything.  My hoping for the #1 pick got us the #1 pick, so leave it to me to fix this problem right up!

The off-season is too long.

I like this idea Dave... any particular deadline for sending artifacts?

Oden, like Lebron, will prove to be near invincible.  He has a physique and body that repels damage.  Knees get hurt, hopefully it's just soreness.  If he can play with a broken wrist, he can deal with soreness.  You gotta have faith, a'faith, a'faith'a!

EVERYONE THINK POSITIVE AND RESIST THE URGE TO HAVE THE SKY FALL ON YOU.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Sep 11, 2007 2:58 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Deadline
We'll say a couple weeks, give or take a few days.  I will announce the official day and hour of the immolation so that everyone can stop at that moment and offer good wishes.

--Dave

by Dave on Sep 11, 2007 12:45 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Event
Is there any way we can make the burning of the bad karma/juju an event. I mean Probably the best way to send a message is a collective aura of goodness while the bad leaves our world of existence. I mean the bigger the better!

by littleharry on Sep 11, 2007 2:41 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh yeah
We'll announce it so that everybody, no matter where they are, can take a moment and participate.  Maybe we'll all wave a collective "bye" to the bad juju or something.

--Dave

by Dave on Sep 11, 2007 3:36 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A Few Months
Those who had visions of Oden coming out of the gate and ruling the league might want to adjust the timetable back a few months at least.

Yeah, a few months.  Until the next thing happens, at which point, well, a few months.

That's my nightmare scenario:  That Oden turns into one of those "It's Always Something" guys.  You know the IAS profile.  Always coming back from some setback only to suffer yet another one?  There is no more exquisite torture in sports than having your team saddled with a talented IAS guy.

I hope Oden's not that guy, but come on:  First his sinuses keep him out of the summer league and now a knee problem miraculously appears just as the team's supposed to be ramping up for the preseason?

(And Dave, just go ahead and print this out and add it to your pile.)

by Toast on Sep 11, 2007 4:13 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Joel!!
GET READY JOEL.  I had a feeling he would play a significant role this year ..... I just wasn't wanting it to happen this way.

by TwoDeep on Sep 11, 2007 6:10 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Woo Yeah
Joel will be the come back player of the year.  Blazers still make the playoffs.  Woo woo, GO BLAZERS!
If I had an extra hug, I would give it to you.

by tominhawaii on Sep 11, 2007 11:59 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't believe in curses.
And sports medicine has made huge advances since I last tore up my knees.  

Worst case is we don't get to watch Oden running down the court on the fast brak like a wing player.  Which is fine by me.  I'd just as soon see him in the key with a defensive rebound in hand (momentarily) as he makes a baseball like outlet pass, ala Wes Unseld.

Relax. In addition to tempering expectations (mine included), this will likely open up playing time for others.  As I've said on several occassions, one of my biggest concerns is having a large number of young players and not enough minutes to go around.

by timg56 on Sep 11, 2007 7:04 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

boy
i can't stop laughing,you talk about coinsidence. wow this is to funny i'm crying.my nephew is laughing it's so funny.#1-all of you people better get on your knees and hope he does'nt have chronic knee*leg problems during his career.and most importantly #2)-for the 100 thousands of you guys &gals and you know who you are.please don't jump off the nearest bridge or window or building.#3)- g.o. take your time and heal dogg.you have a good 12-20 nba career in front of you.unlike k.everett of the bills,you don't need any prayers from real people.you'll be just fine big guy.and for those on their knees praying for his recovery.get a serious life people.damn i know pdx is slow i should know.i've been there over 20x's.great city but get a serious grip.unlike raef at least you have a serious concern with g.oden.he'll be fine and "RELAX".i still can't stop laughing though.

by fatty on Sep 11, 2007 7:11 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Joel
A starter!!!! well this will give G.O. some time hopefully, short bit of time to learn from the bench. It might be real good for G.O. to watch our other bigs, so to see what Nate wants out of them.I hope its just sorness that well go away please lets all hope and pray.

by billyjoejack on Sep 11, 2007 7:41 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hold your cap space tight...
Here's the thing: this isn't really a huge deal.  First of all, Oden is probably going to be fine.  You don't blow out your knee and discover it by a little discomfort while you're running.  

But let's say for kicks that it's absolute worst case and his career is over (and I would say there's about a zero percent chance of that).  You still have a core of Roy and Aldridge, with a lot of potential young talent around them.  And you still have a boatload of cap space available down the road a couple years.  That's part of what it's for--if things don't work out, it may bail you out.

So the Blazers sign some big free agent (or pull off a trade using Raef's big contract at the deadline), and you once again have a big-3.  Maybe not the big-3 you had hoped for, maybe not the big-3 you expected, but it's big nonetheless.  And with Roy-Aldridge-Mystery Man, plus maybe a developed Frye, Sergio, Jack...whoever...I don't think it's a huge stretch to say the team could be a contender.

Now...Oden isn't dead or anything.  Let's all calm down.  Chances are we're watching him foul out in 20 minutes by mid-November.  But if you have to worry, just keep in mind that we were all high on this team when the expectation was that they would bring in a Corey Brewer or Jeff Green, and there's no reason we shouldn't be high on it now.

by HarryManback on Sep 11, 2007 8:55 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The problem is...
...there is plenty of reason for patience, and good hope, and optimism in dealing with the situation with Greg Oden. We really know very little, other than an MRI showed some cartlidge damage and was inconclusive, leading to Doctors recomending further exploratory surgery.
   But you younger fans might need to help me. I'm old enough to really remember Sam Bowie, not just be told about him. This "sounds" so similar, this "feels" so similar. Once again The Blazers did the popular conventional wisdom choice. We took the big man. Once again this big man seems prone to injury and problems.
    I don't want to be negative. I want to be as positive as possible. I think the best I can do is just hold on until Thursday and hope we are all breathing easier on Friday.
    Whatever happens I am a Blazer fan and whatever happens I will remain a Blazer fan. But a dark cloud has passed infront of the sun, and a ominously familar cold breeze has suddenly started to blow. Burn papers, say prayers, whatever, let's hope this isn't history repeating itself.
   
"I'll see you in hell, but I won't wave."

by Krang on Sep 11, 2007 9:27 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's a test
of courage & resolve for the whole organization, including the fans.

The curse is only as real as we make it.

We all expected the occasional injury with G.O.  

That's all this is.  Horrible timing, but everything should be okay.

PS., Fatty, there's nothing wrong with praying for ANYTHING that's positive in nature.  Please don't tell the rest of us what we should or shouldn't pray for.

PPS., Prayers definitely go out to Everett & family, regardless of what happens to GO.

Like it or not, Rip City is Back

by sohrab19 on Sep 11, 2007 9:44 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It'll be fine... no worries.
I find it ironic that during the durant/oden debates I brought up the question of durability (for those who don't know, i took the durant side for fun and because I believe that kid will be awesome.  In the end, I thought Oden was the better fit), and i was mocked for being to picky and worrying about nothing. My response was that a history of injuries generally seems to continue not stop after an injury.

Anyway, Oden has been sick/injured since we aquired him.  That sucks, but... I look at it as he's getting it out of the way NOW.  I'm going to be optimistic here because worrying does no good.

I admit it's frustrating, but in the long run we'll be okay.  We weren't expecting wins now anyway.  This year was based on gelling and he'll still have his chance.

Also, our team will be fine.  Not as sharp as it could of been, but we have other decent people at that position.  I believe Frye can fill his role easily and I hope that Joel will be in good shape.

Next year we'll still have the chance to surprise and we'll explode all over everyone.

That's my take.  It sucks now, but we're still going to do this and people need to stop worrying and think positive thoughts.

Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard.

by ratbastird on Sep 11, 2007 10:35 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Succesful Players with Bum Knees....
Guys, help me out here.  Just to stay positive I'm trying to make a list of players who came back from knee operations in Star Form.  Two names immediately jump out:

Danny Manning (Tore his ACL an amazing 3 times I believe?!)

Baron Davis (Tore his ACL sophomore year at UCLA and has had multiple surgeries since entering the NBA)

Of course more recently there's Stoudemire (microfracture?).

 Not saying Oden has a torn ACL, but we've seen players prevail through even the worst injuries.  Can anyone add to this list of success stories?

by Lou9700 on Sep 11, 2007 11:43 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bernard King
Bernard King was really the first to come back strong from an ACL rupture.  He never was quite as explosive again (he was arguably the best small forward in the league when he went down), but he did return to the all-star team.  

I remember all this because King had the same ACL reconstruction procedure that I'd just had done (this was in '83).  So naturally I followed his recovery with interest.

Of course, as others have said there's no way G.O. has a blown ACL.  Worse case scenario is worn out cartilage, requiring microfracture surgery.  But I've never heard of a 19-year old needing that.  (Someone may correct me there.)

by hurryup09 on Sep 12, 2007 3:25 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the real problem is..
that Greg Oden is really 35 years old. we gone been fooled.

by myemic23 on Sep 12, 2007 5:29 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oden should just gut it out
Ha, I kid because I love.  The Blazers will be fine.

Dave, have you done an environmental impact study to see how burning those papers will impact the environment?

And, can I trace my hand and draw a turkey?  I'm really good at that.

I knew my signature would come in handy some day.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHPOzQzk9Qo

If I had an extra hug, I would give it to you.

by tominhawaii on Sep 11, 2007 11:56 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Man I had a feeling last night....
What a pile of ___ (fill in the blank). Man I was hoping for some revenge. Still possible, I think all will be ok come friday. Life has a funny way of throughing curve balls. Keep positive. The Flaker trolls are gonna love this. We can NOT show weakness.....
Life is always hard, try to smile today!

by creepbblazed on Sep 11, 2007 12:42 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Calm Down !
    I blew out my left knee in 1989. Torn ACL and
a bucket handle tear (the worst kind of tear) of the cartilage. In those days, they had to open
the knee up (six inch scar remains) to remove
a third of the patellar tendon to graft into the
ACL. This surgery was much more involved due to
the extensive scar tissue. The physical therapy
was horrible, but I made 95 % recovery in a year
and was back to playing at a high level for 15
years thereafter. I'm not comparing my talent
level to GO, but just stating human anatomy facts.
    In 2004 I tore the cartilage in my right knee and had arthriscopic sugery. Huge difference in
recovery time, as I was walking within a week and
with physical therapy/lifting, I was back on the
court in six weeks. Arthroscopic sugery is much
less invasive and of course we don't yet know
what type of damage GO has sustained. As was
previously posted, it's unlikely he has torn a
ligament, since he would be in extreme pain and
would have trouble walking. Having taken human
anatomy in college and being a coach and weight trainer, my best guess is cartilage tear.
    For those that wish to compare GO to Bowie,
wake up. Bowie broke/shattered his tibia (one
of two lower leg bones) in college and then several times with the Blazers. Huge difference
in fragility. In addition, Bowie was very lanky
and not muscular like GO. Muscularity is a prime
factor in rehabbing joint injuries. Please take
a chill pill.
It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on Sep 11, 2007 12:51 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice post walkoff41
Seriously people... at least wait until the results of the surgery tomorrow before you end your life. As walkoff said, this could be a very minor thing.

Second, to compare to Bowie is ridiculous, as stated above.

Third, for those selling the curse line, drafting Durant would have resulted in KD going down, so no more of this curse/"should have drafted Durant" talk. You can't have it both ways.

Fourth, the Blazers weren't winning the title this year anyway, so even if he is out for half the season, he is 19 years old. We may want to wait until he is 21 and over the hill before we pull a Francis and try to get an early buyout. He is not finished just yet, and the season will not be wasted if he is not playing, because the Blazers are nothing but question marks at just about every roster spot, and this season is very important to the big picture, 2-3 seasons from now.

If Oden were at Ohio State right now, he would have surgery, and still be the consensus #1 pick next year in the draft. Relax.

I am a big technology fan, but these blogs are counterproductive if people are just going to react emotionally in the absence of facts. Or, maybe that is the intent of this blog (I guess that is more of a question for Dave to answer), but I feel that Blazer fans can be smarter than the average fanatic.

by explicator on Sep 11, 2007 4:11 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You have to react emotionally
when something is emotional.  Blogs like this help channel that emotion in positive directions.

--Dave

by Dave on Sep 11, 2007 4:25 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You've probably thought of this, Dave
But beware Faker fans sending GOOD LUCK items to be burnt!  Roy Rookie of Year cards, flattering glamour shots of LMA, etc... things that if burnt will hurt the Blazers more.  You know those evil Kobe booster sleeper cells are out there, just waiting for this chance to get powerful Blazer-centric artifacts destroyed by one of the Blazer's biggest fans.  It's dark, but ancient magic, and must be avoided at all costs.

If anything emanates a light of it's own, if you hear a children's choir singing suddenly when you open the envelope, if a seemingly innocuous crayon drawring of Sergio is covered in greasy fingerprints and smells swarthy, it may have been sent by the enemy to be destroyed.

I trust your judgement in sifting through the offerings, and like I said I'm sure you've kept this in mind.  I just wanted to throw the worry out there, you know, just in case...

Mortimer    

by Mortimer on Sep 11, 2007 4:03 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LMAO
Great post. I especially like the Evil Kobe Booster Sleeper Cells part. LMAO
October, October, October, October, October...... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odin)

by Idog1976 on Sep 11, 2007 7:39 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great post
That's the second time I've laughed out loud reading a blazersedge post.  And the first time also came while reading a Mortimer Masterpiece.

by hurryup09 on Sep 12, 2007 3:30 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Frankly, this whole idea creeps me out.
Sending in items to be burnt to get the Blazers good karma/juju/whatever? Why don't we just throw a virgin into Mt. St. Helens while we're at it? If 'Positive Thinking' really worked, the power of fatty's GOOF's alone would have delivered six championships by now, even before preseason even starts.

And if Dave starts wearing red and black vestments, demands to be called 'High Priest,' and offers to make Kool-Aid for Blazer's Edge get togethers, I believe I will be leaving. Quickly.

by T Darkstar on Sep 11, 2007 4:49 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't know
A BE Kool-Aid Gathering might be fun.
Like it or not, Rip City is Back

by sohrab19 on Sep 11, 2007 5:34 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dave is NOT fatty!!
Dave is the Goat with 1,000 Young!! All Hail Shub-Niggurath!!

Pass the Kool-Aid - I want a double!

Ball Don't Lie

by bothteamsplayedhard on Sep 11, 2007 6:11 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gotta love
the Lovecraft reference. I did notice during the pre-draft workout that Durrant looked soo bony he had non-euclidean angles...coincidence?

I think not!

With strange Aeons even Kobe's Ego may die...I'm not holding my breath though.

October, October, October, October, October...... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odin)

by Idog1976 on Sep 11, 2007 7:42 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah
Like The Age of Aquarius.
Like it or not, Rip City is Back

by sohrab19 on Sep 11, 2007 11:09 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's Portland
Where are you going to find a virgin?

--Dave

by Dave on Sep 11, 2007 6:15 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Timeless
Like it or not, Rip City is Back

by sohrab19 on Sep 11, 2007 6:33 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Classic
total classic.
October, October, October, October, October...... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odin)

by Idog1976 on Sep 11, 2007 7:42 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HA!!
That was my thought too oh high priest Dave sir...

Wait... aren't there computer programmers?  Virgins don't tneed to be girls, do they?

Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard.

by ratbastird on Sep 12, 2007 4:34 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Doh!
Like it or not, Rip City is Back

by sohrab19 on Sep 12, 2007 12:19 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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