Expectations: Greg Oden
As we meander our way through August and into September we're going to consider our expectations for each member of the 15-man roster. We probably won't do all fifteen in a row but we'll get through them all eventually. We're going to start with the man on whom all eyes will fall nationally, Greg Oden.
I expect Greg Oden to have a good, but not spectacular season. This has less to do with my assessment of him as a player (I think he's going to be spectacular) than with the realities of playing his position as a heralded rookie. Every Tom, Dick, and DeSagana is going to have it out for him. They're going to bump, bruise, and otherwise try to destroy him every time he sets foot on the court. He will not have seen anything like it in his career...not even close. While I expect him to eventually stand up to the challenge the rookie wall for him is going to look more like Mount Everest. I also expect him to go through a fair amount of mental and emotional stress, maybe even anguish. He's not going to be used to this positon. He won't be used to how simultaneously intense and heartless this league can be. He doesn't strike me as a young man who is used to failure and he's going to have to deal with his fair share of it this year with little sympathy or time to analyze what's going on.
Despite all that I don't think Blazer fans will be disappointed with Oden's production even at this early stage. It would surprise me to see him average fewer than 10 points a game. At this point I'm more concerned with field goal percentage than points scored though. I don't expect he can learn to be a volume NBA scorer at the center position in one season. I do hope he begins to learn how and where to get his shots. If he emerged from the season with low double-digits but shooting above 48% I'd be happy.
I'm fervently hoping that Greg will add 10 rebounds to his scoring. Rebounding is the one area where he can just bull through. If he wants it and he battles hard enough nobody is going to keep him from being an excellent glass man. He's just too much of an athlete.
Despite his shot blocking ability I'd be surprised if Oden averages much more than one a game for the year. I bet he'll give us a few glimpses here and there with multi-block games and hopefully by the final few months of the season he'll be averaging two or more regularly. But it's awfully hard to pick up defensive rotations and it's even harder to convince referees that what you just did at the speed of light was a legit block and not a foul.
Somewhere around 11 points, 10 boards, and 1.3 blocks sounds about right for the season, with a wish that he stays healthy and out of major foul trouble. Nationally that stat line going to be viewed as a disappointment. I hope it won't be here. More importantly I hope it's not to Greg himself. He has a long way to go, but he'll get there.
Oden's best friends this year are going to be the other young players. I think their encouragement and teaching will make the difference for him. If I'm Brandon Roy I have one, overriding mission this year: keep the big man's chin up no matter what. Even if the league is cold your teammates can pick you up.
Even though Oden is likely to be overshadowed by other rookies this particular year, keep in mind what Maurice Lucas said about us seeing a different Oden in 2008 and again in 2009. If Oden hits these semi-modest targets this year it would not surprise me at all to see him come out and dominate in years two and three.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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It is just a feeling
With that in mind...those of you from other parts of the the country with your overzealous negativity and the brown cow dung creeping up to your ears, Back Off. Has nothing to do with your PERCIEVED B@%&W@60* crock, has everything to do with the quality of the team we have assembled. If this bothers some of our NOT so local posters, I have an appropriate Military acronym for you...STHU,PYHOOYAAPA. Translations available on request.
by coastrider on Aug 14, 2007 1:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
10 and 10??? i'd be ecstatic!!!
If he gets that AND averages one block a game, I don't see any reason we shouldn't go up by 10 wins. Alridge will out perform Zach. He may not average the double doubles but his assists, fluidity of play, and blocks should all be higher.
SF will be weak, but I think with Zach gone Travis will play the position better.
I only really expected an 8 and 8 and .8 on the blocks. Maybe 2.4 assists. I figure his turnovers will be high his first year.
I agree every player and their grandmother will be there to give him a warm welcoming foot on toe action and the old elbow to the rib cage as they fight for position. He's really not going to be used to it, which is why I expect very little and the 8/8 is a success to me.
Year two I'd think there'd be modest improvement as he recovers. Year three I think he'll dominate most centers.
by ratbastird on Aug 14, 2007 5:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
by jorga on Aug 14, 2007 6:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coastrider illuminates
by timg56 on Aug 14, 2007 6:24 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Forgot ... Expectations
The player I have the greatest expectations for is LaMarcus Aldridge. This is the guy who has me excited. I think it not unreasonable to expect point & rebound numbers close to Zach's - say 18 & 8 - only with a higher shooting percentage, better defense and perhaps most importantly, within the flow of the offense.
Others I have raised expectations for:
Blake - I want to see him make this his team
Pryzbilla - I want to see him healthy and producing like he did 2 years ago.
Roy & Jack - I was impressed by the statistical improvements made in the shooting percentages of both these guys as the season progressed. If they only shoot at the same rates as they were doing at the end of last year, they will be lights out.
by timg56 on Aug 14, 2007 6:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
by mpressive on Aug 14, 2007 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And don't forget
by jamon51 on Aug 14, 2007 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely. I like that
Who's not to like on the current roster?
LMA, Frye, McRoberts, Freeland
Oden, Pryz, Raef
Travis, Jones, Martell, even, I spose, Darius
Roy, Blake
Jack, Sergio, Taurean, Petteri
17 guys, all of whom seem like quality people I'd love to have as neighbors.
I haven't been able to say that in a while.
by ojala on Aug 14, 2007 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
11/10
I think there probably is more pressure on LMA & BRoy to step up than GO right now.
In Oden's case that is about as good as it could get for this #1 pick.
by Heymoe on Aug 14, 2007 7:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Greg Oden has become Goliath
I think Portland ought to hook Oden up with a psychologist ASAP, because he's going to see a lot of this. Every misstep is going to be played up, and if he averages 10/10 to Durant's 25/6, it will get all kinds of press.
The fun part will come in a few years when Oden turns Portland into Goliath, and people around the country start actively rooting against the heavily favored Blazers in the playoffs. For years I rooted for teams like Minnesota in the first round just hoping they would take out the Lakers. Wouldn't it be fun to be that team that everyone feared and despised?
by HarryManback on Aug 14, 2007 7:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Now that Odie's in the Northwest...
My expectations for Greg are not high this year. I expect a slow start with improvement throughout the season, much like Aldridge last year. As someone pointed out in another post, the timing is good for Greg in the western conference. With Garnett gone and the Spurs aging, it could be worse. I think Oden will surprise us with his shot blocking. The guy has incredible timing and can leap! It will be a signature stat over his career.
The rookie year is a tough one. Oden will hold his own but not dominate. Hasn't this been the general consensus all along (Durant will have instant impact, Oden will take some time)? The spotlight is on Roy and Aldridge this year.
by Dr Dave on Aug 14, 2007 8:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
thte Bigs
A couple of interesting facts though. Since this is based on last years performance it in no way predicts and increase in a players efficieny. In other words I look at it as a worst case scenario.
LMA may have some foul trouble. His fouling rate is pretty high and if averages 34 min per game he will have an average of 4.55 fouls per game. Having Oden arround may offset that.
Zbo was very turnover prone. Assuming Oden averages 1 TO a game would decrease the total TO production of Fry, LMA and GO by over 2 per game. If this holds true it will decrease our scored against stat and increase our scoring per game.
In essence if GO average 13 pts and 9 rebounds a game. We will see no drop off from last years group of LMA, Mags and Zbo.
by khryse on Aug 14, 2007 8:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not exactly Accurate
by Earl on Aug 14, 2007 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he doesn't need to fill Zach's, or anyones, shoes.
For Greg to be a success this year I think he needs only do one thing: stay healthy. If I see him in all 82 games I'll be ecstatic. That will show me that he is a tough kid who is ready to play in this league and the rest will fall in to place. I am not seeing him as a 25ppg center in his career either. I'm seeing him as more of a 15-20ppg, 12rpg, 3.5 apg, and 2bpg. for the scoring we have Mr. Roy and Mr. Aldridge.
I cannot wait for the beginning of this season! I'm absolutely stoked.
by saregister on Aug 14, 2007 8:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
damn, lots of smart people in this blog
does anyone know bill russell's and willis reed's stats their rookie years? those two became pretty damn good centers.
by rburg on Aug 14, 2007 8:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Expectations...
That might be a little unreasonable considering Oden is 19 and he's not playing in the same type of league that Russell played in...
I think 10 and 10 would be huge numbers for Oden's first year. In theory, rebounding is one of the few aspects that remains somewhat constant at all levels, so it isn't unrealistic to assume that Oden remains a solid rebounder (between 8 and 10 per game). Beyond stats though, I hope Oden doesn't read John Canzano's article in the Oregonian. He'll be the first to bash G.O. guaranteed...
by Champs2009 on Aug 14, 2007 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
11,10 and 1.
I am hoping for 2+ blocks a game though.
by jksnake99 on Aug 14, 2007 9:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's interesting
I agree with Dr. Dave that the focus should be to get GO healthy and a vastly improved diet should be the foundation of that effort. Maybe that will help his energy level which in turn will hopefully lead to instilling that burning, single minded passion for the game which he is going to need if he is even to come close to meeting pre-summer league expectations ... not to mention just getting him through an 82+ game schedule.
My opinion is that even after accomplishing the above, his game will still need a good deal of developing which will take time. Greg obviously has very high level physical skills! Here's hoping his health holding together combined with the development of a killer instinct will lead to GODEN eventually becoming that very special player everyone has envisioned.
In the meantime, while waiting for this development to occur, we can tune in to Kevin Durant to get an immediate fix of young basketball greatness.
by TwoDeep on Aug 14, 2007 9:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I look forward to Mr. Durant becoming good enough
by ojala on Aug 14, 2007 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
to cause his team to just miss the lottery
by ojala on Aug 14, 2007 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well i said
by fatty on Aug 14, 2007 9:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
wow...that's the longest forcast i've seen
My personal forcast is calling for a Blazers championship w/in 4 years. mark it on the calendar.
by saregister on Aug 14, 2007 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zbo loss
This lead to the whole blackhole analogy, which I tried to get accross statistically with eluding to TO's. ZBO's TO's are more like a point guards which would imply him handling the ball alot. IMO Zbo's style of play was more of concern because it leads to a more stagnant style of offense. Basketball is about ball movement creating mismacthes and whoever has the best shot takes it. This hopefuly leads to a motion style offense where rhythm is king.
I think LMA is going to have an adjustment period early this season with fouls. His is rate is pretty high.
by khryse on Aug 14, 2007 11:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Naw
Problem is, he won't. He'll be lucky to average 28, and part of that tentative since he'll be in foul trouble.
by jamon51 on Aug 14, 2007 11:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
agree with most of you
I don't see how he doesn't get 10 boards a game. That's a skill that he has and won't need much refinement for the NBA game. You figure we'll dump it into the post for him to try out his baby hook every now and then. He should be able to gather some missed shots and put them back immediately. Howard put up 12/10/1.7 his rookie season and Okafor put up 15/11/1.7 his rookie season. The difference was Howard shot 52% and Okafor shot 44%. I'd much rather have the lower scoring numbers as long as he's more efficient. On our team, I can see him putting up a line like Howard's rookie season, and that would just be perfect.
by ssa400 on Aug 14, 2007 12:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
low expectations
by begottenson on Aug 14, 2007 1:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Make him watch Sabonis videos
by tominhawaii on Aug 14, 2007 1:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
that'd be awesome
by saregister on Aug 14, 2007 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good idea .. but just as good
by TwoDeep on Aug 14, 2007 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Health permitting: 18 and 10 with 2+ blocks
by nlj on Aug 14, 2007 2:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Fun with numbers
by barryj on Aug 14, 2007 4:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Great Topic
I think your overall expectations are well-thought out and tempered.
However, I see a longer learning curve for him, with the inevitable and short-lived flash of brilliance.
My wild stab: 9.7 pts, 7.9 reb, 1.56 blk for his rookie season, with more intangible impact than those statistics could possibly impart.
At his peak: 19.5pts, 13.1reb, 4.6blk. This may take up to five years to accomplish.
Given his age, NO ONE in Portland should hold it against him for struggling in his rookie year.
We owe him all the love and patience in the world so that when he is in a position to leave, he will want to stay in Ptown and bring us a title.
Make no mistake: WE NEED GREG ODEN TO WIN IT ALL.
by sohrab19 on Aug 14, 2007 4:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I expect
by bbfred on Aug 14, 2007 4:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I realized
Thanks for the good point, bbf.
--Dave
by Dave on Aug 14, 2007 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oden will be targetted, BUT
I was a proponent of getting Durant, but I love Oden, and I can't imagine him averaging less than 10 points a game. His offense is raw, but it's not THAT bad and his pure athleticism, speed, and effort will get him all the dunks he wants. Plus we got a great distributer in Brandon Roy-Bot, and a strong offensive post player in Aldridge taking the defensive focus away from Oden...
He'll do fine scoring wise and will only get better. Offensive boards with his size and instincts, running the court, alley-OOPS on fronting defenders, and just straight Amare-type purely athletic moves around the slow stiffs who play center these days will get him 5 buckets a night, easy.
Oden is a great finisher. Get the ball close, and he'll dunk it. Amare or Dwight Howard didn't/don't have a polished offensive game when coming into the league, but they used their athleticism to score against all enemies. I would be surprised if Oden's rookie year wasn't comparable to theirs...
My prediction might be different if we didn't have decent PGs and ball-mover-around-ers like Roy. Oden all by himself would struggle, as he obviously needs someone to get the ball to him. But he'll never have to worry about that, and Roy and Aldridge will ensure no one will double team Oden successfully. And I like my chances with Oden vs Oberto, Dampier, Ilgauskus, Curry, the various Browns, Okur, Gasol (can score, doesn't defend), Magloire, Petro, Swift, Sene, Hawes, Kaman, Miller, any Thomas, O'Bryant, and even fellow #1 pick Andrew Bogut.
Shaq, Jermaine, Dwight Howard, Yao, Curry (offensively), Amare, Camby, Garnett, Duncan... those guys will probably give him trouble because they give everyone trouble. But aside from learning not to foul, I just don't worry about Oden defensively.
Plus most of those guys play in the East. And Aldridge will guard the skinny ones.
I am fine with low expectations so the average fan doesn't get down on Oden right off the bat, but he IS a good center currently. A hyper-athletic bruizer dunker true center will obliterate most post players in the league today. AND he'll blow everyone away completely in a few seasons.
HOW IT WILL BE I HOPE: A double double with 2 blocks a game. Even with foul troubles. Durant and Oden down to the wire for ROY, with whoever's team improved the most getting it (unless Durant's numbers are insane, which they just may well be). If we sniff playoffs and Durant just averages 20 points on 39% shooting and the Sonics are cellar dwellers, I don't see why Oden couldn't walk away with Brandon's trophy.
Why isn't it October 30th already?!?! So STUPID.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Aug 14, 2007 6:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And by "proponent of Durant"
by Mortimer on Aug 14, 2007 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Admittedly, I was very
I don't know, I could be wrong, but I think he has Bill Russell talents (again the rebounding, superb defense and running the floor). Russell's offense was never polished and they used to say he dribbled the basketball like one would pat a dog on the head. Oden is so much better in that department and I think quite a bit better also potentially in his offensive game.
Then, we'll have to remember not to compare Oden's first NBA year with Russell's. Big Bill had 4 years of college under his belt.
My extreme concern regarding Greg Oden is his physical health and his passion (or lack of) for the game (which is why I was so against him as our selection for our rare and precious #1 pick.) The passion factor right now between these two seemingly comparable physical athletes is what doesn't come close to matching in my mind. Otherwise, GO reminds me almost exactly of perhaps the best rebounding and defensive center of all time (that was hard for me to say as I was never a Russell and Boston fan during his era.)
by TwoDeep on Aug 14, 2007 6:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oden
I actually hope he averages only 1 block per game. That will mean he is fighting for position for rebounds instead of trying to block every shot. It seems to me that many players try to get a big reputation for blocks but it comes at the expense of losing rebounds to the other teams offensive players.
We have, now before any injuries happen, 4 very good players at the 2 big positions. And then we have LaFrentz in reserve (and hopefully healthy this year). They will give us depth and lots of energy to run up and down the floor -- in what I hope McMillan will allow -- fast break basketball.
by OrygunRod on Aug 14, 2007 10:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
14-10-2.5
Sure, Noah and Horford aren't Shaq, but neither are most NBA centers.
First half of the season he'll average 12-8-1.8 blocks. Second half, he'll be tougher, lot's tougher.
He won't dominate the league this year, but he's better than Okafor was.
by jscot on Aug 15, 2007 1:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nate, not Bill
Thurmond was bigger than Russell (6-11 vs 6-9) and had more offensive game. But like Russell--and Oden--Nate was a true center who didn't care about scoring. He was all about winning, so he let Rick Barry et al rack up the points--and the glory--while he took care of the dirty work.
That's why I'm convinced Oden will win championships with the Blazers (barring injury, of course); he should mesh perfectly with Roy and Aldridge. Nate Thurmond had some good teammates in his career, but never the type of highly skilled, high character guys that Oden is getting to play with from Day 1. We're talking perfect chemistry--the kind that leads to NBA titles.
by hurryup09 on Aug 15, 2007 2:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Late comment
Dave's predictions are based, I think, on the idea that Oden has not faced NBA competition night in and night out and that he performed somewhat poorly during Summer league. Although both of those things are true, I think Dave might also be basing his predictions on how many of Blazer big-men have performed in their first season. It's generally taken them a long time to acclimate to the NBA. What Dave, and others are discounting is that Oden is an order of magnitude more physically talented than most NBA rookie centers or forwards.
Oden will be facing stiffer competition than he has ever faced, but he will still be stronger, quicker, and more explosive than 75% of the guys he goes up against. Oden will surely struggle against guys like Howard, Yao Ming, Shaq, Stoudemire, and Duncan, but he's not going to be emotionally distressed after facing Robert Swift, Bynum, Kaman, or any of the other average centers in the league. With 30 teams in the league, there are plenty of NBA front courts that aren't really much more talented than Horford and Noah, the front court that he demolished in the NCAA Championship game. Some of their craftiness will bother him initially, but I think he'll be able to adjust quickly.
The bottom line: barring injury Oden will average more than 14 points a game, 9-11 rebounds per game, and shoot 55% or better from the field.
by PoliSam on Aug 15, 2007 11:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nate "The Great" Thurmond
early 70's, when San Francisco Warriors played at the old Cow Palace. That team had some good
backcourt players like Jeff Mullins, Cazzie Russell, Al Attles, etc. Thurmond didn't have a
lot of low post moves, but he made up for it with
brute strength and quickness. On the boards and
defense he dominated. Excellent use of that big
behind on the boards and intimidation on all
who came in the paint.
I think Luke made a good comparision, as GO is
big, physically mature, and is still raw on the
post. The advantage that GO has is his youth,
the ability to use his off (left) hand and his
teammates are team and pass first.
1. Offense - Go will get 3 to 4 buckets off
follow-ups, tips & dunks. In addition, the
Blazers will probably call 4 to 5 post ups
for GO. This will help him keep continuity
in his post game by working to understand
how he can score or draw the foul. I think
he will get 5 to 6 FT a game and since he
proved he could hit 60 + % left handed, he
should shoot 65 + % right handed. In addition,
GO will get a bucket or two just outrunning
the plodders who are matched up at center.
1st half - 10 ppg - 2nd half - 14 ppg
2. Defense - GO will get pushed, banged and
fouled regularily. Rookie initiation ! If
we can get him with a nutritionist, as well
as Bobby Medina, I think he'll get through
the punishment. He will need to work on his
footwork for D rebounds, as this is more
about positioning and hard work than the
quickness, leaping ability and desire that
is inherent in offensive rebounding.
GO will get in foul trouble ! Fortunatly, he
will get better as time goes on and having
Joel, Frye and Raef to back him up will help.
I think he will have three times as many
intimidations as blocks.
1st half - 7.5 rpg, 1.5 bpg
2nd half - 10.5 rpg, 2.5 bpg
3. All Around - GO has already shown a tendency
to distribute. He and LMA will be great as a
pair. Aldridge cuts to the hoop and GO hits
him for the dunk. I think we will be
hearing this phrase a lot in the coming year.
Kareem became a excellent passer when he drew
double team and I think GO will pass well
out of the post and on the outlet. GO is
intelligent and coachable, which will help
him grow as a player. Example - How many
great shot blockers in the past twenty years
try to block a shot and keep it in play.
I've seen GO block a shot to himself and then
throw a outlet for a dunk at the other end.
Will GO become a Hakeem or Russell type
defender in the future ? I think a poor man's
Hakeem would be great, as he led the league
in blocks and was top five in steals as a
center. Will GO get in foul trouble ? Yes,
but he'll learn and get better.
1st half - 1.2 apg, 2.5 TOpg, .7 spg, 6 fpg
2nd half - 2.1 apg, 1.7 TOpg, 1.2 spg, 5 fpg
Final #'s for 07-08 ROY runner-up Greg Oden
* 14 ppg, 49% FG, 9.0 rpg, 2.0 bpg, 66% FT,
1.7 apg, 1.0 spg, 2.0 TOpg, 5.5 fpg
* Stays healthy - 65 + games played
by walkoff41 on Aug 15, 2007 2:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
11-10
by Jason3123 on Aug 15, 2007 6:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I expect...
Oden with the winning tip. LMA picks it out of the air who then dishes it off to Roy. Roy takes a quick two step and then tosses up an alley-oop to Oden (who left everyone in the dust after the tip) for an amazing 2 hand windmill jam that borderlines breaking a backboard. As he comes down he lets out a spine tingling roar that sends chills through anyone watching the game.
The result? A defaning roar in Portland that would result in the one thing we have all waited for over so many years now...
Rip City has finally returned... with a vengence.
Not to mention this will make for quite the highlight reel on the 11:00 news and will go down in history as the play that started a dynasty here in town.
by Blazer on Aug 15, 2007 11:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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