Sandcastles and Fandom
This is a long way to go to make a point, but it does relate to what we do here...
One of my long-time beach rituals is sandcastle building. When I was a kid my mom used to bring my sister and me out here and we'd spend hours creating the perfect sand city. These weren't the kind of fancy, sculpted sandcastles you see in a competition, rather 30x50 foot metropolis constructions with tons of walls, buildings, roads, and of course the all-important moat system. There's nothing like knowing your city complex inside and out--including the (assumed) arrogant pride of the little sand inhabitants who felt so secure building right next to the ocean--then watching mother nature (in the form of high tide) blast through the moats and walls, wiping all but the tops of the tallest buildings clean. It's the quintessential human drama...plus it's darn nifty.
So anyway, when a young friend from Iowa came visiting for a week and he'd never seen the ocean at all, it was a natural to bring him here. And he just had to experience the glory of civilization creation (and destruction). He also found the experience quite cool.
One of the side effects of this kind of endeavor is that once your city reaches a certain critical mass people start stopping by to see what you're doing. This happened a fair amount today. There were some kid and moms, a couple of older folks...the usual. But the pair that struck me were a couple of what I'd judge to be post-college guys. They had college hoodies and they looked kind of like ex-frat boys. They walked past just as I was finishing something and as I stood up they looked me right in the eyes. It was kind of weird, because their expression was very incredulous and disapproving. They kind of stared and shook their heads like, "Sheesh...how stupid can you be to waste your time on something like that?" I guess they didn't get the ultimate coolness of tens of square yards of soon-to-be-doomed city.
You know, when you meet people like that, you just don't know what to say. It's like if they don't understand or agree with something it must be contemptible and foolish. It didn't make me mad or anything, just kind of sad. First of all I feel sad for anyone who doesn't know the joy of going to the ocean and building a sandcastle. But more than that I feel sad for people who are so sure that nothing beyond their experience can be meaningful that they dismiss out of hand what end up being multiple opportunities for looking at things (and people) in new ways. I also get kind of annoyed with people who, when they feel that way, just HAVE to register their disapproval to everyone within reach, as if their opinion and viewpoints were the only valid ones in the universe and even perfect strangers should bow to them. If it's not hurting anyone--if it's just how someone else sees things--why does it matter so much if you disagree or wouldn't do the same?
How this all relates to our discussion is that I meet a fair amount of those people online. The relative anonymity of online discussion emboldens people to take a "my way or the highway" approach to conversation and lessens the incentive to truly listen to one another. How often have you seen people dismiss others as idiots (or worse) simply because somebody brought up a new point of view or experiences fandom in a different way? Thank goodness there's not a ton of that here (and thanks to all of you too) but I fear in many places it's the norm...not just in sports but politics, religion, education...everywhere.
Getting back to us, I really feel sorry for people who treat their fandom that way. Being a fan is supposed to be FUN! It's supposed to bring people together. It's supposed to be like having a ready-made family of thousands who go through the same ups and downs you do. Of course there are differences and disagreements, but anyone who wastes a moment of time or energy getting bent out of shape about those, let alone to the point of name calling and flat-out dismissing folks...I just don't get it. What's the point? Why can't people have their fandom their way and we have ours our way and everybody enjoys and makes room for everybody elses?
Personally I thank all of your for your various points of view and approaches to things. I feel like I'm a much more well-rounded fan reading all the things you write. The journey is a ton more fun and interesting because you do what you do. I hope we all continue to enjoy each others' work whether we're sandcastle builders, surfers, ray-catchers, fishermen, or bikini chasers on Blazer beach.
Back home tomorrow.
--Dave
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I refer to it as the...
What's worse is that this is all undertaken by people, who are in the eyes of the law, considered to be adults.
Friendly banter is just that. You love Le Bullez, I the Blazers, let's rib each other a little.
It's when the banter lurches to the personal level with such ease and regularity that it becomes so worisome.
Without going to far to the philosophical side on this, I do believe such behavior is reflective of our culture as a whole and not simply a segmented pattern related to fandom or sports.
by dcblazer on Jul 25, 2007 4:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
that was me
J/K, of course...those people annoy us all. I think DC hit it on the head with the "Jim Rome Syndrome". People just get so dang full of themselves in all walks of life it just makes me want to slap them to remind them they are no better than anyone else. But, oh well. I find it easier to just ignore people I don't care for. Makes me a lot happier! LoL
Hope you had a fun vacation on the Oregon Coast.
by saregister on Jul 25, 2007 6:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
scott r
by fatty on Jul 25, 2007 7:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Why you piss me off...
by Jumbo on Jul 25, 2007 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm happy
by saregister on Jul 25, 2007 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no doubt
not to sound too over-the-top, but seeing the courteous and authentic dialogue here on a daily basis helps restore my faith in humanity after a day of frustrating internet use--i always save BE for my nightcap. thanks Dave, and everyone else, for this.
by sergioFTW on Jul 25, 2007 7:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
ditto to sergioFTW
hope you enjoyed the coast dave, now GET BACK TO WORK!
by rburg on Jul 25, 2007 7:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice Rant
It's always important to remember that although our persepective appears to be unique and important, it is just one of many. We all look at the world through different filters, so it's not suprising we come to different conclusions.
Sports is a breeding ground for arrogance and opinion dominated discussions. It's really because fans are so emotionally attached to the outcome, it's a defense mechanism based in fear of dissappointment.
But with these negatives, comes the hope of something great. The feeling of being the champion, being able to rejoice on common ground with the people of your city. GO BLAZERS!!
by mjm6783 on Jul 25, 2007 8:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This is without a doubt...
Keep up the good work. :)
by ken on Jul 25, 2007 9:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Dave, my compliments.
You have built a culture that causes guys like stop pause as we cruise by and consider actually settling in as a member of the virtual family.
From fatty to Mortimer I find myself learning and enjoying.
The world is complicated and sports give us a place to experience things more quickly and simply.
The acceptance of well presented and different opinions is common here. well done.
Thanks for inviting me in!
by ojala on Jul 25, 2007 9:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
ojala
by fatty on Jul 25, 2007 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
style AND substance?
In my dreams my approach is similar to the great chess player and mismatch maker, Bill Walsh.
I'm not brave enough to ask my athletes who they'd liken me to tho...
by ojala on Jul 25, 2007 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You outed me
I've been lurking here for about a year and have e-mailed a couple of times and this one did it. That is a great post. I couldn't agree more and I'm all in.
by TLF_Big_Papi on Jul 25, 2007 10:10 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ditto, welcome!
by TP43 on Jul 25, 2007 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome
by ratbastird on Jul 25, 2007 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
grown-up site
by hurryup09 on Jul 25, 2007 10:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Conventional wisdom
One thing I've noticed is that certain ideas become "conventional wisdom" pretty quickly. They perhaps start as a newspaper article, are followed up by discussion here, and often reach a "group conclusion" pretty quickly. Sometimes, this is the result of us analyzing (or over analyzing) small tidbits of info that leak or might make it into a Quick article. Other times, they seem to be just general fan consensus that have developed over time.
What unfortunately happens is that folks who question this "conventional wisdom" maybe get a bit of the brush off. Some random ideas that seem to pretty firmly entrenched:
- Martell's problems are mental
- Darius has real NBA talent
- There's little chance one of our big 3 will be a bust
- The Blazers need a dynamic PG and SF
- The Blazers need/want to be a transition team
- Jack is close to reaching his ceiling
- Zach's post game will be relatively easy to replace
- Players over the age of 28 don't have much value to our rebuilding process
by Engineering Problem on Jul 25, 2007 10:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
great post EP
by ojala on Jul 25, 2007 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lists of conventional wisdom
- I agree
Darius has real NBA talent
- I think he does, but who cares
There's little chance one of our big 3 will be a bust
- I agree. Maybe a 10% chance for LA and Roy and a 20% chance for Oden (barring injuries).
The Blazers need a dynamic PG and SF
- This is true of any team. But Roy can cover for a lot of sins in this area.
The Blazers need/want to be a transition team
- Disagree. The assets I see are: size, great speed for size and intelligence. 'great speed for size' isn't often the sign of a transition team - just plain speed is. With the intelligence (and adaptability) thrown in there I see us being a brilliant, fast-paced, half-court team. You just might see the most exciting, dance-like, half-court game you've seen in a long while.
Jack is close to reaching his ceiling
- hmmm. One problem with guys as consistent as he is is that you don't see flashes of brilliance that MAY foretell a brilliant future. Doesn't mean they can't get to the future anyways.
Zach's post game will be relatively easy to replace
- Nope. He was a machine - especially being so short. He always found a way to score. We've got a Randolph and a Duncan/Robinson-combo now - they can score, but the methods are very different.
Players over the age of 28 don't have much value to our rebuilding process
- They might be great for us. But not if they cost a bunch because they can put other teams over the hump.
by jcox on Jul 25, 2007 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
by ratbastird on Jul 25, 2007 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Such a 'right on' post EP.
Got to mention to Dave though, that I much enjoyed his piece. It was an insightful look at human nature.
by TwoDeep on Jul 25, 2007 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This post is an example
A few times I have posted something to the effect that the world is not black and white, and that applies to basketball too. I always have trouble with opinions that are so vehement and one-sided, but I can use them as more info to help formulate my own beliefs. It is the nature of our personalities that causes some people to hold their views as facts, and for others to always be searching in all the gray areas for more info.
Anyway, thanks to you, Dave, and thanks to everyone else who contributes their positive energy.
by crakarjack on Jul 25, 2007 11:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Shel Silverstein
I'd rather play at hug o' war,
Where everyone hugs
Instead of tugs,
Where everyone giggles
And rolls on the rug,
Where everyone kisses,
And everyone grins,
And everyone cuddles,
And everyone wins."
Thanks for making this a warm, fuzzy place for Blazer fans to let good things run wild.
by rockingharder on Jul 25, 2007 11:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Also by Shel Silverstein:
Never be this young again.
Why sit and dream about what might have been?
If we could do it over, we'd do it again,
And I love you tonight like I loved you back then.
We'll never be this young again.
From a song called, ummm,... oh yeah, "We'll Never Be This Young Again"
Sappy, but these are my Blazers and they are young.
by ken on Jul 25, 2007 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also also vik...
by rockingharder on Jul 25, 2007 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention...
by DonkeyShins on Jul 25, 2007 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Word.
I think the other thing that keeps people in line is Dave's no cussing rule. While I tend to have a potty mouth around my friends, I tend not to use it online because it often makes my posts look much more aggressive and/or whiny than I mean them too. I think alot of arguments start online because people insert swear words into their posts and make them more offensive than they mean to.
by bocious on Jul 25, 2007 12:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Martell's problem(s)
You can be athletically gifted--possessed of a gorgeous jumpshot and able to leap out of the building--and still be clumsy. Nerves play a part in this, of course, so it's hard to separate the mental aspect. But maybe if one is clumsy, that makes one less calm in the storm of a fast-paced, intense NBA contest. If you're naturally clumsy AND nervous, you just may not have what it takes to excell in the NBA no matter what other tools you possess.
I hope I'm wrong and that Martell and Travis end up being a dream tandem at small forward for the Blazers. Again, this is just in the interests of challenging some of the conventional wisdom cited by EP.
by hurryup09 on Jul 25, 2007 3:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Dave
This site and Bloggingtheboys.com (Dallas Cowboys) are the two I have found that best personify the ideals you set forth. There is ample room for respect and give and take in learning from each other. I don't post much because there are so many here that say all that needs to be said. Thanks folks, for the ride.
by lee3022 on Jul 25, 2007 4:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't neccessarily agree with all
Dave, I will tip my hat to you. I am a Blazer info junky and like the set up and design. I don't mind swearing, but I don't need to do it all the time. Thanks for providing an excellent forum.
by Rodendridge on Jul 25, 2007 5:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank you, Dave. Thank you, everyone.
Long may it last.
by roseburgian on Jul 25, 2007 7:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
but... but... but...
I don't think i can ever be open minded to:
Kobe,
Iverson
Francis
Zach
Artest
and any one else who causes trouble for their team or hits the news constantly for various non-positive reasons AND who doesn't care about playing hard for their team.
by ratbastird on Jul 25, 2007 8:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with that list...
by rockingharder on Jul 26, 2007 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's what I'm burnng on
My point is, I have no problem with people not approving of someone's behavior. My problem is with those who express their disapproval when no one asked them and their sharing has no relevance to the discussion.
On a side note. I have not built a sand castle in years but if I did, my castle would be more Now than Dave's.
by tominhawaii on Jul 25, 2007 11:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Probably low levels of
I dunno how else to really figure those kinds of guys out except that possibly their daddy never hugged them. Which is also a travesty.
Anyway, enjoy your time on the coast, I havent been there in a couple years and I do believe that if you ever spend any time at the Oregon coast, you will develop a craving for it when kept away from it so long. There is something oddly magical about the Oregon coast...
by Blazer on Jul 26, 2007 2:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
How crowded?
Great post. I have a question about how crowded the beach was. On the east coast where I grew up, the crowds limited the sancastle size to a max of about a beach blanket. Yours sounds outstanding- and I bet your Iowa visitor was impressed.
by moved away on Jul 26, 2007 7:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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