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Side note to start:  See DJ's diary to the right for the latest on Steve Francis and his buyout.

On to the main topic...

A couple of weeks ago I was doing an interview and the host asked me how I thought the Blazers would do in the coming season.  I couldn't pin a spot down so I said the best I could possibly imagine them doing is 6th in the West and the worst around 11th.  I thought I'd pass the question on to you today.

What are the highest and lowest spots you see the Blazers possibly claiming in the coming year?  For highest assume that we have a miracle season where everything goes right.  Don't assume the reverse for lowest because obviously if all five starters break their feet in a freak bowling ball accident we're going to be last.  For worst just assume a pretty bad, but otherwise ordinary, year.

Explanations with your predictions would be appreciated.

--Dave

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Best / Worst
Worst first...

We are young and people will take advantage of that fact. Since this will be a learning year in many ways a lot can go "wrong". I would say the worst barring any injuries would be 1-2 spots off making the playoffs.

Best...

We ARE young and we will take advantage of that fact. We can run the court faster and burn people on the fast break. A little throwback to the 77 season. Oden will be the fastbreak quarterback and LMA will be his receiver. I would put us at 4th seed tops in the playoff bracket. Where we go from there, second and maybe... big maybe depending on the bracket matchups... conf finals. There is too much between the Suns, Spurs, and Warriors for us to top that this year.

But you never know.

by Blazer on Jul 11, 2007 1:03 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Best / Worst
Best: finish 7th in the west, Oden, Aldridge, Roy all make the All-Star team, and Oden wins rookie of the year.

Worst (with no injuries): finish 12th and Roy, Oden, and Aldridge fail to meet expectations, instead making dozens of typical rookie/sophomore mistakes.

by jamon51 on Jul 11, 2007 1:58 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Way I figure it...
There's no way the Blazers can do better than 7th in the West with San Antonio, Phoenix, Dallas, Utah, Houston, and Denver all markedly better than them.  Assuming everything progresses well, I expect them to be dueling with the Warriors, Clippers, Lakers, and Hornets for the 7th and 8th seeds in the West.  That's the best case scenario.

Worst case?  Oden continues to pick up freak injuries, has too many fundamental problems to perform to his full potential as a rookie, and struggles for most of the season.  Brandon Roy continues to fight injuries like he did last year.  Martell Webster is forced to start a lot of games.  And Travis Outlaw will prove to be a player that only performs for a new contract.

The only thing I'm sure of is that by the end of next season, LaMarcus Aldridge will have established himself as a top-10 PF in the league.

by trevor on Jul 11, 2007 2:06 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

6-11
Three we can't catch (barring major injuries):
S.A., Phoenix, Dallas

Three we can't catch this year, normally:
Utah, Houston, Denver

Good teams have down years, so best case is that one of those second three has a down year.  We win 47-48 games and finish sixth if everything gels -- Webster or Outlaw finally begins to click (or KP swings another trade that gets us good production at 3), one (or two) of our PGs makes big strides.

Worst case, Webster and Outlaw don't click, we struggle for production at 1 and 3, we're weak off the bench except for 4-5.  Our big men have good production, we don't miss Zach at all, but they don't dominate like they will in future.  We're improved, everyone is really looking forward to the future, but we just aren't there yet.

by jscot on Jul 11, 2007 2:18 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

7-9 just in or just out of playoffs
I'll try to narrow it a bit and I think we'll be just in or just out of playoff talk all year with the rise and fall being what will obviously be sporadic play from all the youth.

Best is 7 if everything clicks like most are hoping (okok... I'd go for 6 is webster really caught on)

Worst is 9 as I think we'll still do fairly well and improve dramatically even with injuries and sub par play.

Brian

by bmerrell on Jul 11, 2007 3:59 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Northwest Division CHAMPIONS
Best case THIS year: Denver doesn't pull it together for whatever reason and we, the proud PORTLAND TRAILBLAZERS, win the Northwest division by a game or two... ensuring no lower than the 4th seed in the playoffs.

Even if we don't get first in the NW, SECOND best case scenario is playoffs at all... which I do think will happen.  We can get the 7th or 8th seed, but it won't be easy.

WORST CASE SCENARIO: Playoff talk gets replaced with "Don't worry we are just young" talk, injuries start to accumulate, and debating about which guy we'll take with our lottery pick is more fun than worrying about the 30 remaining games.  We won't be mathematically out of it, but for all intents and purposes we'll STILL be looking a few years down the road and not enjoying the NOW.

I do not think this will happen.  But if we win mid-30's, it could be a slight disappointment.  I know this next season is still a year for development and growth, but I think we got enough (young) talent to reach the playoffs.

My "AT LEAST" Case Scenario Where I'll Still Be Happy With the Season:  If we do NOT make the playoffs, I'll be more okay with it if we are in the race down to the last 3 games.  I know we won't do too much damage if we make the playoffs, but I want our young guys to play in games that really "Matter".  I love the draft and like imagining lottery picks, but with the guys we got now and cap space coming up for free agency, all I wanna focus on is who we got and seeing them playing for SOMETHING more than development and learning the game.

Obviously, development and learning can happen concurrently with the playoff chase.  And that's what I want to happen at the very least.

PERSONAL "Best Case" WANTS: Martell to average double digits and shoot 40%+ from the 3 point line-- but more importantly show that he has potential to be a real SCORER and not just a shooter ala Steve Kerr.  I want him to be a strong candidate for starting small forward OR a high scoring 6th man.  

Sergio show he can run a half court offense and if he can't for the fans to go easy on him.  I have a feeling he might get the "Webster" treatment from the impatient fans if he doesn't show leaps and bounds of improve-ness in his game.

Aldridge and Roy and Oden all involved in all star weekend.  Rookie game is a lock for all three, but I hope our improved record gets Roy or Aldridge invited to the most important event of the year: The Allstar Game!

Oden and Aldridge to play well together and each average a double double and 3 blocks.  I suspect Aldridge will score more and Oden will rebound more.  They hopefully will show themselves to be THE dominant duo of the next 10 years.

If we don't bring any of our Euros over, the best case scenario is that they don't get locked into long contracts with insane buyouts.  All of them are players I want to see in Blazer uniforms some day...

BEST CASE RECORD: 47 wins 35 losses, 1st in NW
WORST CASE RECORDISIMO: 32 wins 50 losses, 3rd in NW

I reserve the right to change my predictions and hopes when the season starts.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jul 11, 2007 5:06 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Did you forget Utah?
I don't think we'll be winning our division, regardless of what Denver does ...

by bfan on Jul 11, 2007 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No Derek Fisher
Means Utah has NO CHANCE to make the playoffs again!  He was the key to their resurgence and... uh... well, okay, I somehow forgot about Utah.  

You're right, we probably won't win the division no matter what Denver does.  Thanks for showing EVERYONE that I'm an idiot.

Well, if Utah wins about the same amount of games, and we win 47 or so, it'd be about neck and neck till the end, right?  And without Derek Fisher, WELL... I'll be surprised if Utah even shows up for the games next year.

I guess that even though I kinda sorta forgot about Utah, I'll keep my best case scenario as winning the NW Division.  It COULD happen, especially if the Jazz miss their flights because Derek Fisher isn't there to call everyone and arrange rides to the airport.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jul 11, 2007 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Utah
Made it deeper than they should have due to the golden state vs dallas deal.
Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard.

by ratbastird on Jul 11, 2007 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ditto about the mind changes
That is all.
Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard.

by ratbastird on Jul 11, 2007 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Best: 4th - Worst: 12th - Probably: 8th
No hope of beating:
San Antonio
Dallas
Phoenix

Probably no hope of beating:
Utah

Some hope of beating:
Houston (plagued by injuries nearly every year)
Denver (just not that great)

About even:
Golden State
LAL (Stagnating - much worse if they trade Kobe)
LAC

Somewhat worse than us:
Minnesota (they drop farther if they trade KG)
Sacramento (Hawes doesn't help them much)

Bottom of the barrel:
Seattle (they lost their two key starters and gained two guys who are probably a couple years away and play the same position)
Memphis
New Orleans

It's probably a major long shot to beat out Utah, Houston and Denver; but it's at least possible, so I'll say 4th is our best.

At the same time, I doubt we'll finish 12th, but if the team doesn't click.. Well, that would suck, to it bluntly, but I think that's our floor.

I think the most likely scenario is that either the clips or the Warriors will gel as a unit and end up ahead of us in the rankings. The Lakers, I think they have to face reality--they need to rebuild, but, even if they don't, I don't see them much better with an older, more discontent team. So I'm predicting 8th.

by wepto on Jul 11, 2007 5:26 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think you seriously underestimate New Orleans.
They played close to .500 ball last year, and that was with Paul missing 20 games and Pejo missing nearly the entire season. Their team is full of good veterans, Paul has another year of maturity (as if he needed it), they're well coached and play hard, and they just added a young athletic stud in Julian Wright. No way they're at the bottom of the conference. They'll be 6th at most, and possibly beat out Houston and Utah for that 4th spot.

by bfan on Jul 11, 2007 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh, I was worried about overlooking a team..
Now that I think about it, you're right, they're not really that bad. But, I think they're in a position a lot like the Lakers--they're not really getting any better. Wright is one of those guys who will probably take a few years to arrive, his game is pretty raw. If Paul stays healthy all year though, they'll probably give us a run for the 8th spot.

by wepto on Jul 11, 2007 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

2 layers...
Remember that at the start of last season the team belonged to Zach & Darius, was confident that Joel would contribute and be backed up by "former all-star" Magloire and a shaky and very young back court. LMA was going to be a project and not expected to contribute at all and we were supposed to be patient with THAT team.

This year's team does not have ONE player who has figured out the NBA yet as an individual player (okay, MAYBE Roy has, and maybe Joel but Joel's nothing to be excited about).

Layer on top of that the need to understand how to play at a high level as a team to win consistently. That's an exponential increase in difficulty.

This team has TONS more talent than in the past but a long row to hoe.

Best Case: They make the playoffs and get past the first round as they start to gel at the end of the season.

Worst Case: Their won/loss record falls back to two seasons ago.

Realistically?: If they improve the number of wins by more than a game or two it'll be a tremendous success.

by jon on Jul 11, 2007 7:52 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I would argue
that maybe LMA has too.

He dominated Duncan in one game...

He's going to be much better this year.

Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard.

by ratbastird on Jul 11, 2007 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I sort of agree
My heart wants to agree and I'm sure it won't be long before there's no debate on it, but I figured anybody playing summer league ball automatically qualifies as "not having the NBA figured out yet"

by jon on Jul 11, 2007 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Best 5th, Worst: 10th
In the East things would be totally different but the West is tough.

SA, Dallas, Pho, Utah will all be in.

Denver and Houston are the next tier but they could fall off pretty easily.

GS is close, but I'm not convinced they are as good as everyone thinks.  I think they caught lightning in a bottle last year against Dallas.

Then there's Minne and the LA teams.

I think at worst Portland falls behind all but one of the above (10th) and just misses the playoffs.

I don't think Portland is ready yet to knock off any of the top four, but if they progress rapidly I could see them being better than the likes of Houston or Denver if those teams falter or run into injuries or other issues - which their stars seem to frequently.  And the rest of those other crummy third tier teams.

by leeroyjenkins on Jul 11, 2007 7:55 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

My take ...
I'll do this in tiers:

1st tier (definites): Dal, Phoe, SanAn, Utah, Houston. Even if we play out of our minds I think we finish behind these teams. They have too many good veterans, and all are well coached. We've got the talent, but not the experience to hang with this group.

2nd tier (probables): NO, Denver, Lakers. I live in Colorado, so I'm exposed to the Nugs quite a bit, and I'm just not impressed. They just don't play well together, and don't play defense at all. They could easily be just as bad as they are good, especially if they pass on Steve Blake. Same for the Lake Show. They just have too much uncertainty and turmoil on their team. When the times get tough this season, they're going to implode, but they still get the nod because of Kobe. New Orleans on the other hand, has been knocking on the door. With another year under Paul's belt and a healthy Peja, I think they're the most consistent team in the West outside the top 5. Injuries could easily derail them again, though.

3rd tier (hopefuls): G.S., Clippers, Portland. Golden State obviously came on at the end of last year, but they've had some changes and might not have Donnie back at the healm, so they've got some uncertainty heading into the season. Overall I like what they've done, but it might be a year before they can put it back together. The Clippers are an anomaly. The key players are getting older, and their locker room will likely remain unstable. Not to mention, Dunleavy has been there a few years now, and this is about the time that he starts rubbing his players the wrong way. We've seen it before in L.A. and Portland. But they've got good players and could overcome all that.

4th tier (better luck next year): Minny, Sacto, Seattle, Memphis. These teams simply will not be very good ... again. Is an explanation really necessary?

Overall, as noted, I see us landing in the third tier. I think the biggest thing we have going for us is our locker room camaraderie. By all accounts we now have GREAT guys in our locker room, and we should be able to stick together through the hard times. I think that's what gives us a leg up on the Clippers, and what could possible catapult us ahead of the Warriors, Lakers, and Nuggets. We could conceivably finish ahead of the Hornets, but I think realistically our ceiling is 7th in the West and a first round series against Phoenix or San Antonio. Whoopee. More likely we finish 9th, 10th, or 11th, but no lower. We've got the talent to finish higher, but our experience at this point will probably still hold us back. That's okay, though. I wouldn't mind winning the lottery again ... :).

by bfan on Jul 11, 2007 8:32 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Revision ...
If Memphis adds someone like Varejao to help Gasol down low, they won't be the bottom feeder they were last year. They've good good young talent at nearly every position, and great vets in Gasol and Miller to help lead the way. They could easily jump up to the 3rd tier and battle with us for the right to bump the Nuggets and Lakers out of the playoffs.

by bfan on Jul 11, 2007 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i (mostly) agree
although memphis could surprise some people this year.  remember, they won 49 games 2 seasons ago, should be healthy again, and just landed everyone's favorite new coach.

by game sink on Jul 11, 2007 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah
i took too much time looking up the griz's recent records and rosters, and by the time i hit post you had already beaten me to the punch.  oops!

by game sink on Jul 11, 2007 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

here we go
The best this team will do is win 47 games. The worst, 30. Also, I'm saying right now if Roy plays 75+ games we will win the 8th seed. Write it down folks.

If we stay healthy (which won't happen) this team is easily good enough to win 42 games.

Roy will carry us though. Hopefully no lame foot injuries. Hopefully Aldridge plays 70+. Jack, he's a soldier he won't miss a game. Oden will probably miss several games, I dunno I just see it happening.

But it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to get another top 10 lottery pick, to add to our growing team.

Welcome Greg Oden

by junit3123 on Jul 11, 2007 8:45 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Best/Worst
Might as well go for the extremes:

Best: Championship baby! Why not? (Don't answer that!) Every team in the league is one or two key injuries away from implosion. Nobody's invincible in the NBA. See Mavericks, Dallas. See also Pistons, Detroit.

Worst: O.J. Mayo baby!

by Jumbo on Jul 11, 2007 9:24 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

OJ Mayo?
Didn't we just buy him out? Hey-o!

by abdelnaby on Jul 11, 2007 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OJ Mayo becomes a Blazer
and I start looking for another team.

Fortunately Pritchard is smart enough to recognize a guy like Mayo is exactly what the Blazers don't need.

by timg56 on Jul 12, 2007 7:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

34-44 wins
I hate to do this but I'm going to base my prediction of next season's success on the readiness of Greg Oden come November.

Take Oden out of the equation (holding all other things constant); I believe that Aldridge's emergence and Roy's increased role compensates the Zbo hole rather thoroughly. Also factor in the natural progression of some of our other young guys (Jack, Webster, Outlaw), and I believe this team automatically wins a couple more games than last year.

Then add Oden to the mix. If Oden get whipped into game shape this summer and gains a good grasp of the system, he has the potential to be a huge impact for our team. If this is the case, I see the Blazers winning about 44 games. Apparently, teams that acquire the #1 draft pick AVERAGE 12 more wins than the previous season. If Oden is REALLY ready to go by the start of the season, I believe this scenario could play out. On the other hand, if Oden is still very raw heading into the season (or incurs injuries), then I could see the Blazers missing the playoffs by 2-3 spots and finishing with a comparable record to last year.

All in all, I believe we will win more games than last year, but how many more will depend on how quickly Oden adjusts. With that said, I don't think that Oden should have to carry the burden of pressure. Ultimately, the Blazers success starts and ends with Roy and Aldridge as well as overall team cohesion and effort.

by lickidybrindle on Jul 11, 2007 9:28 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

35-45 wins
I just can't see the Blazers passing Houston, San Antonio, Phoenix, Utah or Dallas.

Most likely 2 - 4 teams from the group below will be ahead of us:
Denver, Memphis, New Orleans, LA Clippers, LA Lakers and Golden State.

So absolute best case would be the 6th seed. Worst would be maybe 12th. Likely, they'll finish 9th or 10th, just outside of the playoffs.

My realistic hope is they claim the 8th seed and get some playoff experience.

by matthewcc on Jul 11, 2007 9:53 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'll be a complete optimist
since I'm usually so cynical...

Best case: Oden will be the surprise that LMA was last year, there will be no injuries or illnesses that will bench the top 8 players for more than two games at a time, and we will actually make it to round two.  We'll even win games from the teams that are below .500 next year. :-)

Worst case: We'll only win 5 more games than last year.  (Hey, I said I was being a cockeyed optimist!)  

 

by jorga on Jul 11, 2007 9:55 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

here i go
Teams that will finish ahead of us for sure: San Antonio, Dallas, Phoenix

Teams that will in all likelihood finish ahead of us: Utah, Houston, Denver

Teams that may or may not finish ahead of us: Golden State, New Orleans, LA Lakers, LA Clippers

Teams that probobly won't finish ahead of us: Memphis, Seattle, Sacramento, Minnesota

My best case scenario would be finishing ahead of everyone in those last two groups and having injuries to other teams vaulting us ahead of 1-2 teams in the 2nd group.  So, I'll say a best case scenario of 5th place.

My worst case scenario would be lots of injuries, surprising play by some of the middling teams and Oden having a tough rookie year. I could see 1-2 of the teams in my last group finishing ahead of us.  I'll say a worst case scenario of 12th place.

My prediction: Golden State and New Orleans just edge us out for the final two playoff spots.  We finish 9th.

by jksnake99 on Jul 11, 2007 9:57 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Should Oden Start?

I know, I know, they have to let him start cause he's the first pick. But I'm not sure it'll be good for him. We need to get him to play right not right now. Relax, play hard but enjoy yourself, dominate later.

A healthy Priz, Frye, LA and yes even a little LeFrenz  can hold the center spot down quite well and this year most of them will be better than man/child Oden.

Lickidybrindle I agree with your analysis but not your win loss conclusion. 42 wins is the worst we'll do even in the monster West.

The key to this team is to not rely on Oden. Let our budding all-stars show their goods and let Oden come along when he's ready.

I love women and basketball... but not women's basketball.

by T REX on Jul 11, 2007 10:01 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You crazy
A healthy Priz, Frye, LA and yes even a little LeFrenz  can hold the center spot down quite well and this year most of them will be better than man/child Oden.

[crazy part in bold]

by Jumbo on Jul 11, 2007 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Impact of the #1 pick
On average the team that gets the #1 improves by 11 wins which gives us 42 wins next year.  

At same time Oden should be better than the typical #1 pick so lets give ourselves a 16 win improvement from Oden, so we are at 47.

At the same time teams almost never trade their #1 scorer and #1 rebounder for a player that they then buyout, so we trade our #1 score and rebounder for nothing.  That will take away some of the improvement Oden will provide.  Lets assume we only get 1/2 the improvement we would normally expect from a player like Oden.  That would be a 8 win improvement, which means we end up with about 40 wins, assuming we don't have many injury problems.  

So do a plus and minus of 4 wins each side, and that leaves us with somewhere between 36 and 44 wins.

by ziggythebeagle on Jul 11, 2007 10:10 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oden starts
Even if he playes like he has in summer league that is better than what Priz or Reaf will give us.  

by usmcr3049 on Jul 11, 2007 10:13 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Number of wins improvement.
As many others have pointed out, roughly 11 wins improvement for the #1.  Beyond that, I really like the path Nate & company have us on and feel like we've improved our talent but reduced our experience so it's tough to calculate what that will mean for wins.

Best case: 10-12 win improvement.
Worst case: same record as last year.
Best guess: 6 win improvement.

Last year we won 32 so at the high end that's 44 and I'm going to go with the best guess or 38 wins for a range.

Based on last years standings, that would put us at the 7th seed down to 11th in the conference.

I'm a buffet of goodness.

by TP43 on Jul 11, 2007 11:29 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

well...
I want to wait to see how a few more things settle, but with what we have...

Best case, i'm going to go with 8th.  I'd predicted 45 wins for this year before all the changes.  I think my prediction is going to be 40-42 now.  With that you're going to get about 8th.

Worse case will land us 3 games back from a play-off spot.

We're a young team that will be producing a lot of turnovers.  I hear "fast paced" but we do not have the familiarity with each other, a point guard with experience to run it well, and so i expect a HUGE turnover ratio if we go that route.

I think we'll capitalize on fast break situations, but i think a half court game will help keep us focused and in control.  I think young teams have a weakness of playing out of control and if we can limit that, but still take advantage of fast opportunities, we'll greatly help ourselves.

I have a hard time judging Oden.  I think he'll have a more difficult time than a lot of people think.  He'll be learning during the first half of the year, and then run into the rookie wall sometime after the all star game.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Frye started this year and Oden stayed out of foul trouble by coming off the bench.  Ref's will be hard on him this year to set the tone in years to follow.

Aldridge will be a beast.  He will replace Zach and help improve us greatly, but i think he might run into a wall too.

Roy will be a VERY well rounded player and improve a bit on what he's done.

JJ will struggle a little with this new team, but i think he'll get it after a month or two and start to click.

We're VERY weak at SF and back-up guard positions.  We're going to be hurt badly here.

I predict we'll win a lot of games early by playing hard, but we'll fade at the end of the year as other teams turn up the heat, and we become tired from working so hard at the beginning.  (there's a reason the winners don't come out hard at the beginning of the year.)

I think we can get up to 21-28 wins at the beginning of the season.  I think we'll get 14-18
 wins for the second half of the season.   Range of 35 (yikes) to 46.  That drops us at an average of about 40 wins.  I think 40 will be my official guess and that puts us just shy of the play-offs.

My guess will change if we can strengthen up at SF, or Travis/Webster show up in the preseason.

I may be underating the effect of two strong post players and a deep post bench.  It'll be exciting to find out!

Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard.

by ratbastird on Jul 11, 2007 1:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Zach's missing 20/10
I keep having to remind myself that we were better last year without Zach.  This young Blazers team only gets better.  That said, the question is, "When?"  Several things could make us lose more games this year:

Oden.  Yes, he is a franchise center, but it will take him a year to get good his NBA game on.

Youth.  We are getting younger and like Oden it will take these talented youngsters time to find their NBA games.

Chemistry. It also takes them time to become something together.

The future.  Several of Portland's prospects are still developing in minor leagues around the globe.

I am also uncomfortable with the point, and with our outside shooting.

Udoka.  We could lose more games without a reliable 3.  We need a veteran presence in the starting lineup.  Even if he is a 7-year CBA vet, Udoka displayed veteran leadership.

Each one of these factors spells more losses.

On the other side, we have:

Talent.  Talent loses to experience.  How fast can we develop these players' games, and gel them into a playoff franchise?  I am guessing '09.  

Experience.  Aldridge and ROY are better.  But this core of one frontcourt and one backcourt player is not enough.

35 wins this season.  
42 and fail to make the playoffs in '08-'09.
Playoffs thereafter as long as Allen pays the tab.

I gotta admit, it would be nice to have a group of players I can root for year after year. Let's not go Trader Bob crazy every year.

'77

by LaoTzu on Jul 11, 2007 3:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Would love higher but...
I think the highest they finish is 7 or 8.  At their best at this moment I still think other teams are ahead of them. SA, Dallas, PHX, Utah, Denver, Houston should finish top six.  LA, LA, Golden State, and NO are also teams that could finish ahaead of the Blazers.  They will battle these teams down the stretch for the final two spots.

If they finish lower than 12 I think it will be because key players will miss long stretches of games.

by tssbro on Jul 11, 2007 7:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah!
I read somewhere that the lowest number of wins that a team getting the number one pick in the lottery improved by was 11.  That would put us at 43 wins next year.  I am thinking 40-43 sounds about right.

by tssbro on Jul 11, 2007 7:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

In my dream of dreams
we all wake up tomorrow morning realizing that MWeb is not a guard. He joins the SF logjam and Ime becomes the third guard off our bench adding life maturity to our long and winding season. Roy spells JJ as much as Sergio who continues to be our loved and respected PG of the future. With three guards all playing a lot JJ and Roy are fresh when the playoff run after the allstar game seperates the teams built for marathons to the depthless, defenseless pretenders.

JJones starts at SF giving us calm and defensively game beginnings and gets our bigs through the 1st Q with only one foul and ten minutes of production. Frye and Pryz stretch out the bigs just as Ime does Roy and Jack.

Flash and Dash (Trout and Martell) get lots of minutes taking thirds at SF with Jones coming back when our perimeter D evaporates, and we all rave about the three kids, Travis, Martel and Sergio growing. Funny, they're all sitting when Nate is trying to close out a game.

TGreen and McRob have monster years in D League and the three gyros will all return for next Summer League one year more ready.

Whats this mean? 45 to 48 wins and a quick exit thinks to San Antonio, the second seed.

Then look out...

by ojala on Jul 11, 2007 10:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I was going to ask this question
a bit differently.  Namely how many wins you all thought Portland would have this coming season.  I noticed that those who framed their response this way are mostly thinking along the same lines as I am.

An optimistic assessment is an improvement similar to last year - 9 to 11 additional victories.  41 to 43 wins.

A best case scenario has us improving by 12 - 15 victories - 44 to 47 wins

A realistic assessment is continued improvement, but not double digit - say 6 - 8 games - 38 to 40 wins.

A worst case scenario has Portland improving little - just a couple of wins improvement, or even regressing a little.  This assumes Roy misses some significant time, Joel does not come back fully healthy and none of young guys - Jack, Outlaw, Webster, Rodreguiz, show any improvement.

I'll predict 40 wins, maybe 42.  I don't think that puts them in the playoffs.

by timg56 on Jul 12, 2007 7:27 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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