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Quick Chat June 07, 2007

Here's our recap of Oregonlive's Quick Chat hosted by Casey Holdahl.  As always this is a paraphrase of the questions and responses.  You can listen to the entire chat here.  

Oregonian Beat Writer Jason Quick joins the chat.

Q:  What are your retrospectives on the Orlando Pre-Draft Camp?

A:    The highlight of the week was getting to see Oden and Durant actually work out in drills.  I thought Oden was very, very impressive.  Portland fans will notice right away that his ball-handling skills and footwork are exceptional for a big man.  He's got incredible explosion to the basket and when he dunks he absolutely throws it down.  Kevin Pritchard said he wouldn't be surprised if this guy brings down a backboard sometime in his career.  He is that explosive and powerful.  Durant...I didn't get to see all of his workout but I thought he didn't look all that interested.  Several other people have commented on that as well.  He just went through the motions and didn't take it as seriously as Oden.  I talked to Oden after and he said it was a big deal to him.  He took the previous day off to rest his legs.  He knew he'd have people looking at him and he said anytime he has people looking at him he wants to show them what he's got.  That is the type of stuff Kevin Pritchard wants to hear.  That's the kind of competitiveness and pride that the Blazers are looking for.  Overall it was a very solid day for Greg Oden.  Then of course the numbers come out.  Much has been made of those numbers but regardless of whether they relate to basketball talent or not they are numbers.  Compared to other people his size Greg Oden is just off the charts.  He's an absolute freak.  In the last two weeks the momentum has been gathering and Greg Oden has become the clear-cut choice for #1.  Kevin Pritchard still wants to keep an open mind but it's seeping into his mind that this guy is really special.  I would put all my money on the Blazers picking Greg Oden.

Q:  What percentage would you give that?

A:  99.99%

Q:  They weren't scheduled to work out, were they?

A:  They were given the opportunity but Pritchard and many others felt they wouldn't work out.  That's often what the top prospects have done in the past because they don't feel like they have anything to prove or show.  The fact that both of them did that...they should be applauded.  In this case it helped Oden out and probably hurt Durant's case a little bit (if he even had room for it to be lessened).  I think it was a good thing and I hope this sets a precedent for top draft picks in years to come.

Q:   Why did they choose to work out?  Was it a case of Oden deciding to work out and Durant didn't want to be the guy who didn't so he wasn't prepared?

A:  I can't speak to that.  I just know Oden did it because his agent told him to do it and he wanted him to be showcased.  I don't know Durant's reasons or if one guy chose before the other.

This is fascinating news on Durant going through the motions.  I don't think that necessarily means he'll be any less of an NBA player, but Quick is right in that you have to like Oden's desire.  Apparently he wanted to prove he was #1 and went out and did it.  Maybe Durant didn't think he had a shot or didn't think it mattered, but still you don't like to see guys mail it in even when they think all is lost.  I don't know...another small mark in the Oden column.  (As if he needed any more.)

Q:  I've been hearing that Durant's agent Aaron Goodwin is saying Durant is going to be the #1 pick.  Are there grounds for that or is that just agent-speak?

A:  That's just an agent being an agent.

Does anyone fib more than agents?

Q:  You wrote that the Blazers are trying to move up and get another lottery pick.  Who are they targeting with that pick?  And what are they trying to glean from these workouts with obvious second-rounders?

A:  You're right that they're second-round caliber guys.  Kevin and his staff wants to get a firm grasp on the talent level of these guys so when it comes time to make trades that they know what they're dealing with...what type of commodities they have.  There are some guys who are a definite cut above the rest though.  One of them is working out tomorrow:  Ramon Sessions from Nevada.  He's a strong guy, a Nate McMillan-type point guard.  He sets up the offense.  It's not about him or the scoring.  I know the Blazers are very, very high on him.  I don't have a good grasp of where he falls in the draft but I can tell you for sure they think very highly of him.  Another one is Taurean Green from Florida.  He is a guy who stood out at the pre-draft camp.  He's an NBA talent.  He's probably a late first or early second rounder.  The Blazers want to get him in and see what he's all about.  Also D.J. Strawberry.  He's probably more of a shooting guard but he's big and physical and plays good defense.  I think it's interesting how many point guards the Blazers are bringing in.  It's about 14 or 15 including the swing guys.  There are more players at that position than any other by far.  That tells me the Blazers are looking for help at point guard this off-season.  I don't know if that seals the deal on Jarrett Jack being traded but it's certainly an indication of how they're leaning.

Q:  Why is Jarrett Jack at the middle of so many trade rumors?

A:  First he's accomplished enough in this league to garner interest and has some pretty good upside.  Second, while the Blazers like him and are satisfied with the job he did there are questions within this organization about whether he's a starting point guard in this league...especially for a playoff-contending team which it appears the Blazers will be.  There are internal questions.  I brought this up as early as January or February that he'd be on the trading block this summer.  Now it's summer and here he is.  That's no accident.  But at the same time when you look at what the Blazers are doing they could go one of three ways:

  1.  The status quo with Oden at center, Randolph at power forward, Lamarcus or a free agent at small forward, Brandon Roy and Jarrett Jack.  That would be a status quo starting lineup.
  2.  Oden at center, trading Zach and putting Lamarcus at power forward, a small forward you acquire in the Zach trade (Jason Richardson, Richard Jefferson, Andres Nocioni, Shawn Marion) plus Roy at shooting guard.  The next big question is whether you get a veteran upgrade point guard...a steady force like Steve Blake.
  3.  Just going crazy and for the big-time right now.  Oden, Lamarcus (trade Zach), Marion or Jefferson, Roy, and a big-time point guard like Chauncey Billups.
I think the second scenario is the most likely.  

The big question for the rest of the summer is what they will get at small forward.  Here's an update:  it sounds more and more like the Blazers are being pulled away from the Rashard Lewis sweepstakes.  They're giving up hope.  They don't think they can get him.  It looks like Orlando is clearing a lot of cap space to get him.  I talked to an agent last night who said that's where he wanted to go and it was a lock.  I think Rashard Lewis is off the wish list.  The Blazers have turned their attention to another tier of small forwards:  Richard Jefferson, Jason Richardson, Nocioni, Shawn Marion.  They are looking to make a splash at that position.

Interesting take on Jack and the point guard workouts.  Although I will also say this:  the first round is apparently short on quality point guards.  But the law of averages will tell you that there have to be about as many point guards coming out this year as most years.  Where are they going to go?  The second round.  Maybe we wanted to work out a bigger variety of positions but this was what we could get.  Also drafting someone in the second round doesn't necessarily imply a vote of no-confidence for your starter.  There is smoke here, but if JJ is traded he won't be replaced by any of the guys on that list.

I don't see the huge difference between options two and three on Jason's list.  If you can get a better point guard don't you have to do that?  If not you go for a guy like Blake.  I guess he means maybe we trade for a better point guard but if Zach is already gone in the small forward deal who can we give up to draw a major guy?  Pretty much once Zach is gone all of our moves are going to be lateral for awhile unless we break up our core.  That will be true until some of our younger guys grow and develop value on the market.

Q:  What has happened this season that is causing the renewed interest in Steve Blake?  Have they found out in one year that Jarrett Jack isn't the man and Steve is?

A:  I think most people in the Blazers' organization would say it was a mistake in hindsight to trade Steve Blake for Jamaal Magloire.  It wasn't a popular decision when it was made.  It was more of a Steve Patterson move...something he ramrodded through.  I think Kevin was kind of hurt.  Blake was the first player he ever signed here. Nate McMillan was a huge, huge Steve Blake fan as evidenced by him starting the final 47 games or so.  When you think of a Nate McMillan-type point guard you think Steve Blake.  He's solid, runs the offense, and he's a calming influence.  His talents have been enhanced playing in Denver in the playoffs.  He'd be able to offer that experience when the time comes.  He's an ideal component for this team.  They're not going to have to pay him a ton.  That's something the Blazers are going to have to start becoming cognizant of in the back of their minds.  You're going to have a lot of big-time superstars coming around for free agency at the same time:  Brandon, Lamarcus, and maybe Greg.  They're going to have to pay big money to keep those guys here.  I don't think you want to pay a lot for a point guard right now.  Sergio might be able to handle that a year or so down the road...and then you'll have to pay him too.  They're going to have to make some smart business decisions right now as they look down the road.  Blake is the kind of guy you can get for the mid-level exception, play him for three years or so, then assess again where your young guys are.

Q:  What about Sergio?  How does he fit in?

A:  I still think he's a huge part of the plan but I don't think he's ready to come in and start or play huge minutes.  Next year he'll play much the way we saw this year...15 or 20 minutes a game.  But as this team morphs into a running team with Oden and Aldridge blocking shots and getting out on the break that fits Sergio's style.  A lot will depend on how much Sergio improves this off-season.  Last year he hit the wall and was tired and largely ineffective.  But by no means are the Blazers done with him.  It's the opposite...they're very, very high on him.  Last year at the trade deadline nearly every offer the Blazers got included Sergio Rodriguez.  The league knows about Sergio.  They know what Sergio will develop into.  The Blazers are just waiting for that to happen.

Quick is very optimistic here about Sergio's future...or at least the Blazers' perception of Sergio's future.  That's good to hear.  If he did develop into a star (or even semi-star) level player...whoo doggy!

Q:   Are the Blazers willing to dump Zach for a cheap prospect or expiring contract or do they want to make sure they get a talented small forward?

A:  Obviously they want to get as much as they can for him but winning the lottery has created a little fudge room for them.  They can take back maybe a little less than equal value and still feel good about their direction.  It's lessened the importance of getting fair value.  But they're still looking to address the small forward position with that trade.

Not only that but it's lessened the number of concerns you have about the players you bring in.  Before the guy pretty much had to be a defensive wizard, for instance, because our small-position defense was so porous.  Now you have a little more leeway considering Oden and Aldridge are your front line.  

Q:  Have you heard any rumors about offers for the #1 pick?

A:  I know that two Western Conference teams have offered their superstars in return for their #1 pick and they are hall-of-famers.  The Blazers turned down both.

Q:  Has the competition heated up because of the workouts?  What is his value at this point?  Is there anybody the Blazers would consider trading that pick for?

A:  The only person that would make them even consider trading Greg would be LeBron James and even then I'm not sure they'd do it.  He's the only person that would make them discuss dealing that pick.  NBA general managers knew long before the pre-draft camp drills and numbers that Greg Oden was something special.  The offers were coming in before those workouts happened.

Q:  What about Oden's injured wrist?  How serious is it and is it likely to reoccur?  Is it of concern?

A:  I don't think it's of any concern.  He dislocated the thumb on his right hand and he tapes up his whole hand whenever he does anything basketball related.  A lot of people look at that and say, "Ooh look...his wrist!"  It doesn't have anything to do with his wrist.  It's his thumb.  It isn't going to be a problem.  It's just something he's going through right now.  There isn't going to be any question about his wrist.  He says it feels great and if you look at him jam the ball there's no pain or hesitancy.  I don't think it's going to be an issue.

Since the end of the college season I haven't heard one media/NBA person say anything bad about this guy.  Let's hope the other shoe never drops.

Q:  A fan question:  When all is said and done who's going to end up hating you more...Rasheed Wallace, Bonzi Wells, or Darius Miles?

A:  Probably Rasheed because Rasheed has a lot of hatred inside him.

Q:  Tell us about Aaron Brooks.  Any further thoughts on where he will go?  Is Portland throwing a bone to fans by bringing him in for a workout?

A:  I don't know about throwing bones but I think he'll be an early-to-middle second rounder.  He's awfully, awfully small but he's also awfully quick.  He's got great leaps.  I was impressed mostly with his defense at the pre-draft camp.  I was expecting the free-flowing guard we saw play for the Ducks but he was really playing hard-nosed defense the length of the court.  That's the kind of thing Nate would like but I have a hard time thinking the Blazers would take him.  It just doesn't seem like a fit.

Read my lips:  no more short guards...ever!

Q:  What is Travis Outlaw doing in the offseason?

A:  I don't know right now.

Q:  At this point the Blazers have Ime and Travis as free agent small forwards and they're looking for another to shore up the position.  How does that shake out?

A:  I think at this point the Blazers view Travis as a power forward.  Nate liked using him in the small lineup.  He performed very well at the position.  Really I think they have only one small forward because I'm not counting Darius Miles.  Right now it's just Ime.  I think Martell will play a little bit of three if he's still around.

Q:  Are you hearing anything about Martell?  Will he be with the team next year?

A:  I'm torn on that.  I haven't heard him in as many rumors as Jarrett.  I know Houston has brought his name up.  I think they will look to move Shane Battier.  At one point they were discussing a Jarrett Jack-Travis Outlaw deal.  They were debating and considering Travis and Jarrett for Shane Battier.  But they didn't feel Travis was good enough.  Then they talked about Jarrett and Martell but the concern was they didn't think they were getting enough of an upgrade at point guard in Jarrett.  They wanted to compete with San Antonio and Utah and they didn't feel Jarrett could put the clamps down on Tony Parker or Deron Williams.  Those trade talks passed by quickly but those players were brought up by the Rockets.

Oooh!  Juicy tidbit there.  Although that does give you a fair assessment of the market value of those three youngsters.  Any combination of the three equals less than Shane Battier.  I suspect that pretty much makes them tempting throw-in pieces...trade appetizers rather than entrees unto themselves.

Q:  What are you working on next?  What's coming up?

A:  Tomorrow we'll start with the workouts.  We'll probably do a little segment on each player that works out.  We get to see the last 20 minutes of the workouts when they're doing their cone drills and speed/agility work.  It's always nice though to get out to see these guys and their athleticism.  Hopefully next week I'll be going to Indianapolis to watch Greg Oden work out.  I'm curious to talk to his big man coach, Ed Schilling.  Oden has said Schilling is really working on his pump fakes and explosion.  I want to see that first-hand and see the actual workouts this guy goes through.  I don't know, Casey...do you want to lay the big news on them or wait until it's official?

Q:  Nothing is confirmed but tentatively next Thursday we're hopefully going to have Greg Oden on as well as Jason.  But according to Jason it might be a go.

A:  You guys will love talking to him!

And we'll love transcribing it...as long as he talks s...l...o...w...l...y.   You hear me Greg?  Make a good first impression with your friendly neighborhood blogger.  Slow and clear, young man!

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

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Thanks as always Dave
I'm kind of relieved Durant did so poorly, if only so it takes a bit of the drama out. If it was any other team drama is good but now when it's my team...

I think from everything coming out from the pre-draft camp it has to be Oden all the way. Not just the jaw-dropping athleticism but his easy-going , fun demanor. He's just tailor made for this city.

Lastly I don't know why trading Randolph for expiring contracts isn't seen as attractive. Randolph had a great year but one more injury could drop him into Darius Miles trade value. Trading his huge salary is a very safe move plus it would give the Blazers much needed cap space so they could realistically go after guys like Rashard Lewis. Contrary to rumors we have no chance at him now precisley because we have no cap space.

I've always been a big proponent of acquiring expiring salaries.

by jayseyfield on Jun 8, 2007 3:03 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It's difficult at this point though
if not impossible.

  1.  The best case scenario is to get entirely contracts that expire in a year.  Otherwise you never get under the cap with them because you only get the cap reduction piecemeal and those portions are swallowed up by the people you re-sign.  But it's pretty hard to get $12-13 million in expiring contracts all at once.

  2.  Even if you can do it you have to find a free agent in that year (maybe two) when you have the window that fits your needs and also will sign with you...no sure thing.

  3.   Even if we got one-year expiring contracts for Zach by my calculations we'd only be about $7 million under the cap when they ran out.  And that's not re-signing Outlaw.  Knock it down to $3-4 million if you want Trout back.  That's not enough to do anything.  We'd have to unload LaFrentz or Miles for instantly-expiring contracts too in order to get Rashard-like space.

In essence we blew our chance at being major-free-agent-worthy the summer we signed Zach, Darius, and Theo.  When all three were healthy and moveable there might have been a chance to bail out for cap space (and indeed I advocated that very thing for a long while).  But now with Miles incapacitated and Ratliff's contract replaced by LaFrentz's even longer one there's no chance.  We build through the draft, trades, and mid-level exceptions for the next decade.  Our best open market hope is probably to become good enough that great free agents want to play here for a discount.

--Dave

by Dave on Jun 8, 2007 3:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And really...
...building through a MAJOR free agent signing is really overrated.  You always pay more than you should (Ben Wallace), and to sign a big free agent ya gotta be under the salary cap which usually means you're not a very good team with no one worth paying the amount of money that would put ya over the cap.

What often seems to happen is that teams find themselves with cap space and then you NEED to make a big free agent signing, no matter how good the available players are.  That leads to Larry Hughes making big money for sucking, Ben Wallace making ungodly amounts to decline, Peja cashing his checks from the hospital every year, and this year will cause someone to waaaay overpay for Vince Carter for him to not exert himself for 5 more years till he can retire.

Rashard is great, I like him.  But he isn't REALLY worth the 13-15 million he'll be getting.  I'd gladly pay it if we had the space, he'd fit in well... but I think we can still get a good player for the SF spot through the draft or trades.

The teams that win have built through the draft and through smart trades for players that were devalued for one reason or another.  What free agent signing has really helped a team?  I mean a BIG NAME free agent signing?  If you include sign-and-trades it's different, but you don't need cap space for that.

Like Dave said, you gotta be under the cap the right year, ya gotta be the right city, and your team has to be the right fit for the player.  Portland will almost NEVER be the right city for a top flight free agent unless we are good; we aren't gonna be good if we play cheap.  As a small market team ya gotta be smart and build up the right way, and THEN you can be attractive to good free agents or players force their teams to trade them to you.

Of course, since all our key players are on their rookie contracts or signed to MLEs, so we COULD have been under the cap if we didn't do the big Theo/Darius/Z-Bo signings.  Those were short sighted big money signings that hamstring a team that isn't smart... without good drafting and trading, we'd still be pretty dismal with not much of a future.  Luckily we got new management who doesn't fear for their jobs and isn't likely to do something so shortsighted and silly.  

But I wouldn't hesitate to re-sign our big 3 right now (Roy/Aldridge/#1).  The Miles/Z-Bo/Theo "big 3" was so obviously a mediocre one that didn't really win in the short time they were healthy, it was surprising that management thought that trio could win big.

Drafting smart and trading is the way to go.  And, being lucky and getting the #1 pick is good to.

We'll never be under the cap, no matter if we trade Zach for nothing or not.  I am completely fine with it though; it ain't my money and I can't see how it could really help.  If we DID trade Zach for just cap relief, we wouldn't even be able to use the MLE thats only for over the cap teams.  If we are just one dollar under the cap, we can't use that MLE (as is my understanding).  That takes away signing a good role player every year.  

We got a great core, just need to add role players with the MLE and through trades, and maybe draft that future SF.  Boo hoping for free agency.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jun 8, 2007 4:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well said.
While I agreed with the Theo re-signing, I thought Blazer management deserved a good beating for giving the contracts they did to Miles and Randolph.  I wasn't against resigning Randolph, but they had another year and most of the leverage still.  I thought they were premature.  As for Miles, that was completely unfathomable.  He was restricted, he didn't have any other decent offer on the table and while he had flashed some of his brilliance, he was still the "ton of talent, unbelievable potential, where's his head at" Miles.  Never should have been given more than 3 years.

Roy/Aldridge/Oden sounds sooo much better than Miles/Randolph/Ratliff as a core.  Almost makes me giddy.

by timg56 on Jun 8, 2007 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Dave...
great job as always.

by ken on Jun 8, 2007 6:25 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Let the speculation begin...
which two teams offered "hall-of-famers"?

I'm thinking Houston and Denver.

by ken on Jun 8, 2007 6:27 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Who has HOFers in the West?

By HOF-ers, it is meant guys who are a lock (or at least a reasonable bet) for Springfield (none of 'em are eligible right now).

Lemme see:

SA:  Duncan.  Wrong side of his career.
MN:  Garnett. Too old, wouldn't want to play here anyway.
LAL: Kobe.    Been discussed; Kobe doesn't want to play for a small market team.
DEN: Iverson. Too old, too many issues to play in Portland.
     'Melo.   Durant will probably be better than Melo, and without the attitude.
HOU:  Yao.  Intriguing; I'd rather have Oden though.
      T-Mac.  Hurt too often.  
Sea:  Ray Allen?  Borderline HOFer... Seattle is dreaming.
Dal:  Dirk?   You can have Zach for him, but not #1.
Phx:  Amare?  Bleh.  Oden will be far better.  Dwight Howard's better.
      Nash?   Like Duncan, probably on the downside of his career.  Also, Nate coaching Nash (as opposed to a Don Nelson or a Mike D'Antoni) would be an interesting experiement.  :)

Nobody else in the West is even worth discussing in this context.

by EngineerScotty on Jun 8, 2007 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking Minn and Denver
w/ Garnett and AI.

The answer's always no if you don't ask, right?

by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jun 8, 2007 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I used
to be on the fence about the draft, but the last week has made me see the light about Oden.  And I think it would be really cool if he was on the Quick Chat with Casey

As far as Hall of Famers, How about Minnesota and Denver?  KG and AI might have been on the block for the #1 pick.  Can't see Houston breaking it up just yet.

by JPop on Jun 8, 2007 8:31 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

THANK YOU DAVE
AS ALWAYS.
Welcome Greg Oden

by junit3123 on Jun 8, 2007 9:09 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Good stuff
In my opinion JJ and Sergio are both above-average back-ups... at least at this point in their careers.  A veteran PG, even if he's not an All-Star caliber player, would be huge for this team.  Blake works.  

I don't understand why so many people are blowing off Durant's crappy showing at the pre-draft camp.  To me that's a big deal and it makes me wonder if Durant is a sure-fire prospect like everybody seems to think.  It's not so much the numbers, it's the lack of hunger.  I thought this guy was consumed with being the best hoopster ever.  Not a great first step, it seems like maybe the hype is already getting to his head.  ESPN writer David Thorpe, while defending Durant's toothpick-like body, actually compared him to Tim Duncan who's not exactly ripped either.  Thorpe is on crack, TD is beefy and strong.  Durant is not.  Not to say Durant will be a bust, but he has some serious red flags going right now.

I really don't mind losing out on Rashard Lewis, I'm not as high on him as some.  

 

by leeroyjenkins on Jun 8, 2007 9:22 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

My Thoughts
"This is fascinating news on Durant going through the motions.  I don't think that necessarily means he'll be any less of an NBA player, but Quick is right in that you have to like Oden's desire.  Apparently he wanted to prove he was #1 and went out and did it.  Maybe Durant didn't think he had a shot or didn't think it mattered, but still you don't like to see guys mail it in even when they think all is lost.  I don't know...another small mark in the Oden column.  (As if he needed any more."

As I understand it, neither came expecting to work out. Perhaps Durant wasn't feeling fully `ready". I find no fault.

"Does anyone fib more than agents?"

YES! Do names like Canzano or Quick conjure up a boatload of lies?

"Interesting take on Jack and the point guard workouts.  Although I will also say this:  the first round is apparently short on quality point guards.  But the law of averages will tell you that there have to be about as many point guards coming out this year as most years.  Where are they going to go?  The second round.  Maybe we wanted to work out a bigger variety of positions but this was what we could get.  Also drafting someone in the second round doesn't necessarily imply a vote of no-confidence for your starter.  There is smoke here, but if JJ is traded he won't be replaced by any of the guys on that list.
I don't see the huge difference between options two and three on Jason's list.  If you can get a better point guard don't you have to do that?  If not you go for a guy like Blake.  I guess he means maybe we trade for a better point guard but if Zach is already gone in the small forward deal who can we give up to draw a major guy?  Pretty much once Zach is gone all of our moves are going to be lateral for awhile unless we break up our core.  That will be true until some of our younger guys grow and develop value on the market."

Come on, why would we be looking for JJ's replacement in the middle of the second round? I seriously dount we're going to find a better PG so late. This makes me think either we're close to Blake (whereby JJ is immediately expendible) ot Sergio is gone.

"Quick is very optimistic here about Sergio's future...or at least the Blazers' perception of Sergio's future.  That's good to hear.  If he did develop into a star (or even semi-star) level player...whoo doggy!"

Let's remember, this is Quick putting his spin on what he thinks the Blazers feel about Sergio.

"Not only that but it's lessened the number of concerns you have about the players you bring in.  Before the guy pretty much had to be a defensive wizard, for instance, because our small-position defense was so porous.  Now you have a little more leeway considering Oden and Aldridge are your front line. "

Still Quick's opinion, but I have to agree it makes sense.

"Read my lips:  no more short guards...ever!"

Don't be so sure.

"Oooh!  Juicy tidbit there.  Although that does give you a fair assessment of the market value of those three youngsters.  Any combination of the three equals less than Shane Battier.  I suspect that pretty much makes them tempting throw-in pieces...trade appetizers rather than entrees unto themselves."

Quick being Quick. Nate had a major interview where he gushed about Webster and now Quick is dismissing him as barely a throw-in on a trade. This is why Quick's an ass.

by blazerprophet on Jun 8, 2007 10:39 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Some food for thought
Would you expect Nate to say anything bad about Webster in public? Do you think Quick has some kind of vendetta against Webster that would make him lie about what his value is?

Here's a little lesson on the way things work when it comes to sports journalism. Coaches, GMs, ect. often share things with writers that they're not at liberty to discuss in detail. They say things in such a way that you get the idea, but not the money quote that you can throw in a newspaper article. Writers, while in discussions with coaches, will give their opinion regarding what they've seen, and then you gauge the reaction of the coach to get a better understanding of their opinion. Once again, this isn't something that you could really use as a singular quote, but it gives you some insight into what the coach is thinking and feeling, especially when it comes to players.

So long story short, if Quick's got an inclination that he repeats about someone (in this case, Martell) then he was most likely given that feeling from someone.

by Lance Uppercut on Jun 8, 2007 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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1) When you said, "Does anyone fib more than agents?", it was in the Durant-#1 context,
but I think it also applies to something we'd been hearing strongly
and then realized that (per Pritchard, the team, and Oden) was not true:
Us pursuing Conley Jr. to accompany Oden.

After seeing some quotes from Conley SR., I became convinced that HE was the source
of that false rumor: Conley Sr. was trying to make his son desirable to Oden's team.
 As Oden's agent and Conley Jr.'s agent AND dad: LIAR! Liar.

2) "[T]he Blazers are being pulled away from the Rashard Lewis sweepstakes.  
They're giving up hope.  They don't think they can get him . . . 
Rashard Lewis is off the wish list."

I coud not be happier.
Maybe it's only because Orlando has the Shard pretty much locked up,
when I'd rather it just be because we felt the price was too high
and the player doesn't fit, for I-want-money-and-option-#1-status reasons.
Yes, I am flat-out doubting Rashard's desire to be part of the team
and to win first, highlight second--but that's where I think his head's at.
He's got Starbury potential written allll over him.
I'm glad that team-wrecker scenario didn't come to pass, for whatever reason.

3) Great assessments of both Blake and Sergio.
I'd have no problem carrying those two AND JJ on the roster, at least for now.
That's the point guard picture I'd most like to see for next season:
Jarrett Jack, Steve Blake and Sergio Rodriguez, and nobody else.

4) "Oden and Aldridge are your front line."--that phrase gave me chills.
Haven't heard it put in exactly those words 'til now, but WOW. Wow.

Oden and Aldridge are your front line.

5) "The only person that would make them even consider trading Greg would be
LeBron James and even then I'm not sure they'd do it.  
He's the only person that would make them discuss dealing that pick.  
NBA general managers knew long before the pre-draft camp drills and numbers
that Greg Oden was something special."

More chills. I'm starting to get that May-22 dizzy-giggly feeling again.

Oh yeah--the start of the chat, where Quick said, "Compared to other people his size
Greg Oden is just off the charts.  He's an absolute freak."
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!
Can . . . can we really . . . can we GET this guy? We can? Really? You sure?

6) Beautiful assessment of Aaron Brooks: "awfully quick . . . great leaps . . .
impressed mostly with his defense . . . hard-nosed defense
the length of the court . . . the kind of thing Nate would like."

Maybe we don't have room for him, but after this account,
he sounds like he's still very much improving his game, even after 4 college years.
On top of his great athleticism, that's the sort of mentality I love to root for.
I'll be wishing great things for him wherever he goes.

7) I see the same thing when "the Blazers view Travis as a power forward.  
Nate liked using him in the small lineup.  He performed very well at the position."
Every time someone here has said we should get rid of him because we have
too many sub-starter-quality small forwards, this is why that's wrong.
Travis has his spot locked up (power forward for the second unit),
and there's nobody else on this team that can occupy that role.

It's funny: For all the times we bang on about "key role players", we (as pundits)
never specify WHICH PLAYERS, in WHICH ROLES.
Well, Travis Outlaw in the role of Backup Power Forward is what that phrase means.
If you believe in a team having Key Role Players surrounding the core studs,
then you believe in Travis Outlaw's future with the team.
Anyone whose view of a great team is Three Studs (including at least one Legend)
plus two all-stars rounding out the starting unit and two starter-quality dudes on the bench:
You're WRONG. Wrong, wrong, WRONG Wrong wrong. All twelve guys matter.
Travis Outlaw matters, and not as a potential top-tier player: KEY BENCH ROLE PLAYERS.

8) In the same answer, "they have only one small forward . . . just Ime.  
I think Martell will play a little bit of three if he's still around."

Ime's essential and Martell's disposable. Not exactly news,
but nicely succinct confirmation of our general suspicion on those two,
as well as nicely tying the two together in a single reference.
Sounds like Martell has market value, value at least equal to his contract.
That's comforting. If that's the case, I see him moving--a good trade chip. Use it.

9) Oden in next week's chat! Hey! Wow! Yeah! It's good!

Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.

by QualityPie on Jun 8, 2007 10:46 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Great transcription Dave
Thanks for the transcription. I'm listening to the podcast but reading it is alot easier for me. Alot of questions surrounding the Blazers. I've made it clear I think the Blazers should trade Zach. The question is what can they get and are they willing to take a diminished return.

My only point on trading Zach is that if you don't trade him now it could be impossible to trade him when he's making 16 million dollars. It's hard to come up with teams willing to take that risk for that kind of money. Unless you're lucky to find a team that totally wants to build around getting a player with a big expiring contract. As good as Zach is, is he that good to expect andre miller and the 12 th pick from philly? In my estimation no.

Who needs Greg Oden? We got Pete Carril....

by pookeyguru on Jun 8, 2007 1:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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