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Weekend Thoughts: What We've Learned from Golden State

Obviously the biggest story on the planet NBA-wise right now is how our friends the Warriors vanquished the mighty Mavericks.  A lot of people are making a lot of hay on post-series analysis.  Among that is speculation about what this could mean for other underdog teams.  That would include us.

Golden State's success is a double-edged sword for the Blazers in my estimation.  On the one hand it does show that a team can improve its fortunes (at least its short-term fortunes) fairly quickly.  It gives you that little spark of hope that we could be next.  On the other hand it also shows that teams are improving around us which puts more pressure on us not to get lapped while we're rebuilding.  Obviously this is one more team in the West that we're looking up at now and the general idea is to gain ground and not lose it.  Everybody assumes that the Blazers will see a renaissance in the next few years and I think there's reason for optimism on that front.  But that renaissance doesn't do much good if everybody else's is quicker and better.

I think the Warriors' victory also shows there's a difference between very good teams and championship teams.  Dallas is a very good team.  You have to be to win 60+.  But even with the tidal wave of victories they never seemed that cohesive to me.  They've always had a lot of good parts but they've never really displayed the machine-like precision that San Antonio, Detroit, or many of the great teams of the past showed in their heyday.  This too is a cautionary tale.  I've said this before and I'll say it again:  we should not add odd parts--especially big-name offensive parts--just to get better immediately.  Dallas is absolutely the best-case example of what can happen and they still ended up losing their last game of the season the last two years. And most examples end up far worse.  (Ironically this is what, in the end, may also doom the Warriors.)   Portland needs to be careful about the people they bring in, be that Rashard Lewis, Desmond Mason, or anyone else.  If you don't have a focus, harmony, and a bankable style of play night in and night out--meaning if you don't have the players that give you those things--you're not going to end up winning.

I'm not among those who find this a huge vindication for the "new NBA" style that Phoenix and Golden State play.  For one thing neither team has gotten to the Promised Land yet.  For another Dallas plays pretty close to that style also and they lost with it.  I don't believe you have to mold the Blazers into a shape that doesn't match our talent.  Trends change every 6-7 years in this league.  You want to be the next trend that everybody copies, not a pale imitation of the current one.  If we're runners, that's fine.  If we play solid defense and rebound and play a more halfcourt style that's fine too.  Either one can win a championship.  It all depends how reliably well you execute, how much dedication you have, and whether your talent fits the system.

Since we started out talking about teams rising and falling in the West, let's end by taking a little closer look at all the Western teams and where their fortunes might lead in the next couple of years.  Obviously this is somewhat slapdash since we don't know where half of these teams will draft or what any of them will look like next fall, let alone down the road.  But just using a little intuition and reasoning we might be able to anticipate how easy or difficult the road to the playoffs might be.

Dallas Mavericks:  After this debacle people are likely to do to Dallas what they did to San Antonio last year when the Mavericks beat them, namely write them off for dead and suggest wholesale changes.  Don't buy into it.  Dallas is fine and is going to remain so for the next few years.  Barring catastrophic injury there's no way they aren't contending through the end of the decade.

Phoenix Suns:  Phoenix is at the apex of their game right now.  I doubt their arc will carry them much higher but I doubt it'll descend quickly either.  They too will be in contention for a championship the next couple years.  After that it gets more iffy.

San Antonio Spurs:  They're on the way down but even their graceful arc down is higher than most teams' ups.  As long as they have Tim Duncan they're going to be a playoff team.

Utah Jazz:  They need to make some changes but Deron Williams and Carlos Boozer will keep them in the playoffs for the next couple of years also.

Houston Rockets:  They are up and down and very hard to predict.  They'll need to re-tool around their two stars and then pray that McGrady's back holds up.  If Tracy goes down they're contending for the lowest level playoff seed at best.  And Tracy's health hasn't been great.

Denver Nuggets:  I doubt they'll miss the playoffs with those two stars.

L.A. Lakers:  This team is in total disarray and will need to be blown up and started over.  Whether that process begins this summer or next is the only question.  I assume Kobe will be a Laker for life and that always gives them a chance, but he is 29 and has a ton of mileage on him.  There's reason to think they might struggle in the next couple of years.

Golden State Warriors:  They're the Cinderella story to end all of them and I could easily see them getting to the conference finals this year.  But they still have a lot of players who are shaky...emotionally if not physically.  This feels a lot like a Minnesota situation to me, where they have one spectacular year and then the mental game breaks down amid all of those agendas.  Nevertheless they have enough veterans to be a playoff team for the immediate future.

Los Angeles Clippers:  The Clips had a disastrous season but I look for them to get a little more point guard help this off-season.  That's about all they need to be right back in it.  With Elton Brand and either Corey Maggette or whatever they get in return for Corey Maggette playing alongside those veterans I see them returning to the playoffs soon.

New Orleans Hornets:  This team has more talent than people think.  They got destroyed by injuries this year and still managed to be in the hunt for the eighth spot.  I could see them being in the low-seed hunt for a while.

Sacramento Kings:  This was the swan song for the crew we've known.  Not only is the window closed, it's locked and boarded over.  They're going to have to start again and I expect them to be in the lottery the next couple of years.

Minnesota Timberwolves:  They're in even more disarray than the Lakers.  Their two choices seem to be keep Garnett and stink or lose Garnett and stink monumentally.  Ricky Davis is the poster child for what I said about not adding offensive players for a short boost.  Sam Cassell and Latrell Sprewell are the poster children for the perils of depending on people with odd agendas.  Basically the lesser teams want to avoid the path that the `Wolves have taken.  They're not coming back soon.

Seattle Supersonics  Where Seattle goes will depend on whether they retain Rashard Lewis or what they get for him.  Ray Allen has a couple good years left but he's in the coda of his career.  They have some decent young big men.  They desperately need something for Lewis (or to keep Lewis) and some point guard help.  If they get it, they'll be in the hunt for a low playoff seed as well and may contend stronger than we do next year.  If not they're toast even with Allen.

Memphis Grizzlies:  If this team gets one of the top two picks look for them to rebound so fast it gives you whiplash.  Unless they tumble in the lottery (heck, even if they do) I bet they'll be back in the playoff hunt next year or the year after.

So that's Dallas, Phoenix, San Antonio, Utah, and Denver definitely in.  Houston, Golden State, and the Clippers are strong probabilities.  That pretty much accounts for every available slot in the next two years.  Which of those teams do you think is going to be vulnerable?  And even if you think one is, the Blazers would have to leapfrog the Lakers and the Hornets and hope that Seattle and Memphis aren't outpacing our recovery rate.  That's a really tall order from where I'm sitting.

My best guess is that even though the Warriors have opened up a ray of hope for all of us also-rans, the Blazers will need some time to follow in their footsteps.  A lot of things would have to go right for us to even make the playoffs.  I see virtually no chance of us succeeding there in the next couple of years.  The trick will be not to let what should be a 5-6 year playoff absence become a double digit one like the Warriors did, and that will be determined by who we bring in as much as anything.  Forget the quick fix and make sure you make those decisions right and the rest will take care of itself.  THAT'S the lesson we should be learning from Golden State's body of work.

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

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I'm getting weary...
...of the use of the word "culture", but that's really where it's at when you want to make lasting changes.

It reminds me of what I see at the high school level. The successful programs have basically conceded that it's a long process and have begun to teach their system at the lowest levels (elementary school) so that when those players get to high school, they have the system fundamentals ingrained and more time is then available for fine-tuning and adjusting to particular individual talents.

I like the rocket ship analogy. Each booster stage is designed to get the command vehicle to a certain spot. When it's done it's job, it is jettisoned and the next stage kicks in. I'm almost certain the Blazer think tank has such a long range plan in motion. We are getting a solid core assembled for the long haul and there will be significant players who will come and go along the way to help us achieve the mission.

Unfortunately, in basketball, as in space travel, there is always the great unknown. But good planning and execution of that plan does eliminate many of the glitches lesser endeavors often encounter.

Roy...Aldridge...Sergio...Outlaw...McMillan...Pritchard...?...?...I'm gettin' that old-time feelin'...

"...though you may fail...aim at something high." Henry David Thoreau

by Dr Dave on May 5, 2007 8:23 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Great analysis
of where we are - and putting it into perspective.  Blazermaniacs grasp at any straws that look promising and we need to be reminded that straws aren't guarantees.  I particularly like the cautionary tale about adding odd parts. That's why I trust K.P. to knows just how odd some of those parts are and that no matter how good they look on paper or in video clips they won't fit here.

by jorga on May 5, 2007 8:50 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

very very good
As usual. Although a bit on the pessimistic side, again, as usual Dave.

Take into account how many games the Blazers lost to the East, and injuries, and they could have been in the playoffs THIS year.

Now take into account another year of maturity, trades, draft picks and I think they make it in next year.

What you said about finding the right players is on target. Think of who Blazers have and why fans are so high on them... Roy, LMA, Sergio and to a lesser extent Jack, Outlaw. The common denominator is they do a lot of things well (except Sergio). They are not shooters, or defenders, or trackstars... they're basketball players. Those are the types to target, just as you said.

Of all the good vet small forwards discussed, the only one who I think fits mold is Josh Howard. Ooooh, that piece would speed up the rebuilding big time.

Keep up the great work.

by rburg on May 5, 2007 9:15 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

3 things I get from the Warriors parable:
1) When you talk about the Nougats having "two stars", who is the second one?
I know the first one is Marcus Camby.

2) Can we finally shut up about how much better it is to be in the lottery
(albeit with one of the 3 or f4 lowest odds at WINNING a top 3 pick)
than to squeak into the playoffs as an 8-seed and have to face a top team?
NOW, does anyone really think the difference between the 12th pick
and the 16th pick is so cool it beats being in the playoffs?
Does anyone STILL think it's better to be the Clippers or the Nookies than the Warriors
just because those 2 teams have a snowball's chance in L.A. at getting Durant?
And more to the point, considering how late in the season we were in that PPC pack
in contention for that 8th seed, am I the only one watching the Warriors' saga
and screaming, "THAT COULDA BEEN US!" into my pillow?!?

3) The winner of the Rockets-Jazz series now has a great shot at being in
the conference finals--if not that series winner, then Golden State.
If it's Golden State, yes of COURSE it will be a big story; rather, it will be
the continuation and elevation of the big story that's already happened.
But what if Houtah beats GS in the second round? Will we be talking about that team?
We shoud be--not just as an underdog against the Suns-Spurs winner,
and certainly NOT as a team in the Western Conference finals that "doesn't belong there"
and "didn't earn getting this far" (which is how many will talk about them).
All the championship teams I remember (except for the Shaqobe L[xxx]rs,
who underachieved for years until the 2000 breakthrough) went through
something like this on their way to becoming powers: A year where, in the playoffs,
they went further than was expected of them, and then in the next year,
they went as deep or deeper, but it was expected, and, hey presto--
they win the title, AS major-level powers. (And yes, Miami overachieved in 2005.)
If the Houtah winner beats Golden State, they are better than we thought last week, period.

Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.

by QualityPie on May 5, 2007 9:19 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Like investing in the market
As a former investment advisor, the biggest mistake I saw people make was to chase the trend. Smart people would call me and tell me to put their money into some high-flier investment that they saw going through the roof on the news. By that point of course, the top had already been reached. Only fools get in at the top of the roller coaster, and you know what happens to a fool and his money.

Building a winning team is very similar to building a winning investment strategy. In this case it started with the hiring of KP as GM. We already have Nate as our coach, and Roy and LMA as our prized assets. Now it's just a matter of diversifying our portfolio with high quality investments that cover the flaws in our main pieces. There will be ups and downs with any strategy, but those that stick to their guns and refine, rather than overhaul, their methods will succeed.

KP reminds me of some of the best asset managers I've ever met. Meticulous researchers that can utilize multiple angles to analyse an investment. I'm really looking forward to the draft.

by Steve The Hedge on May 5, 2007 10:07 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I really disagree with this
These "trends" aren't random fluctuations or just a craze; they're reflections of the rule changes that went into effect a few years ago.  The reason why wing players who can penetrate are starting to be more important than post up play has everything to do with the handchecking rule changes.

by howlingfantods on May 6, 2007 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont' want to repeat myself
I have a take on the GSW series on the diaries. I don't think the thought process of "that could have been us" really applies to the warriors beating the Mavericks. to summarize my opinion, that series was won because Don Nelson knows Dallas inside and out and was able to get his team to listen to him when it mattered.
written by the Blazer Thoughts artist formely known as "Scott R"

by saregister on May 5, 2007 10:17 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I would...
toss Utah into the "strong possibility" category, rather than the "definite" category.  They need to prove this wasn't a 1 year thing (like Seattle a couple years ago.

Boozer had a career year- no guarantee he repeats that.  Deron Williams is terrific and will likely do great things there, but this team isn't talented enough to be a guaranteed playoff team.

by jksnake99 on May 5, 2007 11:03 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

About the Jazz...
Great post here.
Agree with you on the Jazz.
I'm just wondering what exactly are the changes you think the Jazz need to make? I'm not disagreeing with you, just asking.
The only position I really see a need at is SF. AK is better cut out to play the 4 or the 2. Booze and 'Sap are occupying the 4 spot. That leaves AK at the 2, and a huge whole at the 3 (with only Harpring there). I'm just wondering if you see it the same way I do.

To jksnake99... I think Utah is in the definite category. I understand where you are coming from, but I think, in most years, even if Booze isn't this good, AK has a better season than this one. Deron will continue to improve, and Okur will eventually find his shot again. All the team really needs is a wing-player, preferably one that can shoot the long ball (defense is never bad either). But, as long as there are no injuries, the team is definitely talented enough to make the playoffs every year.

Just my thoughts as a (somewhat-biased) Jazz fan.

by UtesFan89 on May 5, 2007 11:18 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

fair enough
If I were a Jazz fan, I would definitely have made the same argument as you did.  All signs point to Deron being in the playoffs for the foreseeable future, I'm just saying I have reasonable doubt.  You Jazz fans have every reason to feel good.  Good luck in game 7 tonight.

by jksnake99 on May 5, 2007 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I were Utah
I would want changes at the starting small forward spot and upgrades at shooting guard up and down the line.

I think AK47 still has a future in this league but his bridges may be burned in Utah.  I'd hope for a great playoff showing for him and then dangle him on the open market.  Seeing as how the Jazz also have Boozer I'd think Millsap would also be available for the right price.  I know it's heresy to talk about trading promising rookies but in this case if "the right price" meant an established, multi-talented wing man I think you should go for it.  You're in the playoffs and ready to contend now.  A power forward backing up Boozer will be less valuable in the next couple years than a legit starting wing.  Besides who knows if Millsap's sophomore season will match the promise of his rookie year?

Derek Fisher ideally would resume his rightful place as a back-up combo guard.  You'd be solid there.  You still have Williams, Boozer, and Okur.  You use the draft to shore up your bench, try to find a little value on the open market, and hope Ronnie Brewer pans out. Voila...potential serious playoff contender. And you never have to hear the name "Gordon Giricek" again.

--Dave

by Dave on May 5, 2007 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

By the way
the collective respect from Blazer fans for Jerry Sloan and the Jazz over the years has been pretty high.  Congratulations on what you've been able to do with the team.

--Dave

by Dave on May 5, 2007 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

AK...
About AK... I think if Sloan would notice that AK is a much better fit as a cutting/slashing SG, the Jazz (and AK) would be much better off. He really took off in Game 6 against Houston when he was at the SG spot. It put him on defense against T-Mac (which is what we need him for), but also somehow changed his offensive role (I guess it's Sloan's offense) and let him attack the hoop a lot more. And he took off.
If the Jazz can now add a guy at the 3 spot (draft, free agency, maybe Miles/Brewer, it doesn't matter) I think they are set. Fisher is the back-up 1, Brewer at the 2, Harpring at the 3, Millsap at the 4 and then some FA/2nd round pick and Collins the back-up 5s. It's not an all-star/hall-of-famer filled line-up, but it fits in well with Sloan's offense... I think.
I'm not too high on trading 'Sap, largely because he is the guy off of the bench. He provides a ton of intensity. He is a rebounding threat, is all over the court (similar to AK), and he can play defense (of course... Sloan trying him against T-Mac yesterday was kind of stupid).
Would I put 'Sap on the block? No.
Would I trade him if the Jazz were getting their perimeter offense/defense answer? I guess. It just hurts to see guys leave and then come back and burn you (Maurice Williams, Sasha Pavlovic, etc.)

by UtesFan89 on May 5, 2007 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

if you really believe that g.state
is going to the w.c.f. FORGETABOUIT!!!!!! #1 van gundy*sloan are more superior coaches than lucky nellie and 2)if i'm houston or utah tonight if i win the next series is a breather because the warriors play no defense and sloan*van gundy have the big guns you're talking t*mac*yao and the new mountain man*d.williams plus now ak47 is beginning to wake up knowing that s.a.-phoenix will kill each other the warriors season is all over in 10 days.it was nice when it lasted also denver will be better next year and as much of a mess la is the lakers will do something special so warriors enjoy it now because it's all over in a week and a half from now...ps tell b.davis to wacth his step before he pulls something else.i'm happy for the warriors nation and j.rich,b.davis but right now i have money on utah,hou,and the spurs so bye*bye warriors...

by fatty on May 5, 2007 11:38 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

"warriors play no defense"
Obviously you didn't watch the Dallas series, because GS played great defense.  They were awful on D in the regular season, but they really turned in up against the Mavs.

If you ask me, the Warriors are a match up nightmare for either of those teams, plus they will be rested.

GS beats either Hou or Utah in 6.

by jksnake99 on May 5, 2007 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They won the series
with defense, not offense, Jksnake, you're absolutely right.  And I really do wonder how much the people posting here are actually watching the games.

For what it's worth, I think the warriors beat the Jazz -- their pick and roll based offense is one that the warriors defense handles easily.  It's a question of pace with the rockets -- if they can get the rockets to run, neutralizing Yao, Warriors win.  If rockets can slow it down and punish the warriors with Yao's low post game, they win.

by howlingfantods on May 5, 2007 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes it was DEFENSE. Jackson shut-down Dirk and
therefore the whole Mavs offense.

If the Rockets move-on and Davis is healthy the WARRIORS WILL ADVANCE FATTY. Yao will get taken out of the series and the rockets have no answer for Davis.

by JMblazerfan on May 5, 2007 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

keep dreaming
snake nellie built the mavericks.j.sloan rebuilt the jazz and van gundy has the shaolin master and t8mac so go enjoy your cute warrior story i'll be wainting for jazz*rockets vs s.a.*suns for the nba title this year.and how're those cheaters doing in miami right now good to see shaq*wade home wacthing the playoffs just like the rest of us...

by fatty on May 5, 2007 11:54 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

but....
how is Yao going to make it up and down the court playing the Warriors' style of basketball? He's too slow to stay with Boozer right now; can you imagine what Harrington will do to him if Big Al finds his stroke during this down time? The Warriors cause major matchup problems for the Rockets; less so for the Jazz, but still enough to create some headaches. I think GS is an odds-on favorite to make it to the WCFs.

by BlazersOrBust on May 5, 2007 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We had a discussion on "intangibles"

-a few weeks ago and this is where GS has the upper edge. They are riding and flying on adrenaline right now and as Steve Jones would say, "don't EVER let a bad team THINK their good!"
Right now I'd like to see what club has more focus, intensity or emotion than GS...I think we can throw-out all the on-paper match-ups for a while...
I think this enigma can teach us something, there's always hope through heart.
Yeah yeah, it's just one series :)

by edgeguy42 on May 5, 2007 12:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

To answer your question Dave the whole league
is vulnerable right now-every team has weaknesses that can be exploited. The Warriors are just another example that defense and the ability to impose/execute your offense leads to success.

If I'm Mark Cuban I HAVE to explore a deal for Zach. Dirk is playing out of positon at the 4. Dallas already has the right coach and the right pieces(shooting and defense) to surround Zach. Unlike Dirk, Zach demands double and tripple teams; he cannot be stopped 1 on 1. Zach is younger, tougher, and fits Avery Johnson's system a heck of a lot better. Yes Dirk could be the MVP, but he's not more valuable than Howard and he will never lead them to a title playing out of position.

by JMblazerfan on May 5, 2007 5:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Is Dirk a 3 though?
It seems to me he'd get burned even worse defensively playing smaller guys.  They again maybe they could go with a trend-setting huge lineup and break the mold.  As you say, Howard becomes an issue there though.

I am beginning to suspect the Mavericks have a good, old-fashioned curse on them for trading away Steve Nash.

--Dave

by Dave on May 5, 2007 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmmm...
you never struck me as a superstitious type.  What's next - rubbing the head of your Darius Miles bobblehead on Blazer fast breaks?

  Come to think of it, it couldn't do any harm...

by ken on May 5, 2007 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Sacto and LA
are going to be better than you forecast.  Brad Miller had a terrible terrible year, but is he exhibit A of all the players who had down years after extending his season with Team USA? or did he magically turn into a stiff in the fastest one year decline of all time?  If it's the former (and he's taking off from Team USA this year), then I expect Brad Miller, RonRon, and Kevin Martin and whatever Bibby and Rahim have left would be good enough for a .500 season.

Lakers are under immense pressure to contend now.  If they trade projects like Bynum for a productive second option like Jermaine O'Neal, they should be at least respectable.

by howlingfantods on May 6, 2007 10:27 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Injuries always change everything
How many teams could handle one of their main pieces going down?  If we made this list last season we would have included the Memphis Grizzlies on the list, yet when he went down the team was highly mediocre.  We saw that with the Hornets for most of this season as well.  

The Sonics, Grizzlies, Clippers, and Hornets were all good enough to make the playoffs this season if they had stayed healthy.  

The Spurs, Suns, and Mavs could probably all weather serious injury, but I'm not sure Utah, Denver or Houston could.

- Sam

by Samuelson on May 6, 2007 7:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Utah will kill GS
GS had everything going in its favor vs. Dallas.  I thought Dallas was a much better team than they are as well, turns out.  But Utah can match-up better than Dallas could, Utah doesn't have a mental block that Dallas did, Utah isn't viewing GS as a #8 seed like Dallas was, Utah has a better more seasoned coach than Dallas does, etc. etc.

Utah in 6

GS is a neat story but small ball is just a trend.  Once people figure it out, the trend will shift.  And back and forth again til the end of time.

by leeroyjenkins on May 7, 2007 12:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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