THE Link
I am only putting one link up today and I am leaving it even above the Gameday Thread, at least for this morning. It's from Quick, from Behind the Blazers' Beat, it's about Nate and Sergio, and everyone needs to read it because it talks about some of the exact...same...things we talked about in the coaching section yesterday. And I mean dead on.
Hopefully this will put some things to rest, at least for a while.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
P.S. (sigh) OK, two links. Mike Barrett just confirmed that Channing Frye will start at center tonight.
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I think it shows
I don't know that it works long-term either, but you might as well give it a try.
--Dave
I agree
I would have been really upset
No doubt our interior defense will suffer from the move though. We're obviously short on centers so I'm perplexed as to why we don't try to use Raef a little bit more.
mght be time to use that GO injury exception
too late
its all about the 4th quarter
When they announce Frye as a starter can someone please yell "Whats with the long face Channing you're starting buddy." That joke will never wear thin with me.
Redundant
by jayseyfield on Nov 7, 2007 1:32 AM PST reply actions
Hmmm, I don't think Nate's answer
I guess the answer lies in Dave's explanation that Nate is relucant to be too critical of Sergio to the press so that we're not hearing what Nate really thinks .... although it seems to me that "DNP-CD" next to Segio's name provides plenty of implied criticism.
Definitely unsatisfying...
We get it- Sergio struggles on defense and, for awhile, he struggled with the language barrier.
Regardless, it still seems like if a guy can come off the bench and get 4-6 assists in 10 minutes running the simple pick-and-roll, it doesn't seem like he should be getting DNP-CD's.
As fans, I don't think many of us are saying "Make Sergio the starter," but when the Blazers go through one of their inevitable 4 or 5 minute streaks without scoring an easy basket, why not throw a little El Mago in there?
by Champs2009 on Nov 7, 2007 7:57 AM PST up reply actions
Agreed. Zero answers, more of the same.
I mean, come on, we've all seen with our own eyes this season Sergio outperforming Jack overall. Yet, Quicks article says that Sergio has a lot of work to do to get to 20 minutes a game. No sense, i tell ya.
*the +
- can and does lie, in actuality, when trying to pull more from that stat than should be. All i'm saying here is that if his defense is such a huge problem, then let's see it reflected in the +/- before we start giving it such overwhelming importance. Sergio's defense can be the worst defense the NBA has ever seen but if we outscore opponents, I don't see the problem. Of course, he should be working on his defense and from what i can tell, he is.whoops, sorry for the italics
Did you read Nate's comments?
I think that is what most people who are trying to give Nate the benefit of the doubt have been saying. He looks great and full of potential but he is not following through with what the coach wants him to do.
Unfortunately, this won't put anything to rest.
averaging 8:47 a game
anything
I don't understand the rebuilding if i don't see any rebuilding. Doing the same ol same ol is not rebuilding. going back two seasons with our lineup is not rebuilding... Jack is not a starter. Might as well try adapting instead of being so obstinate about Jack. Nate's refusal to admit how bad Jack sucks compared to any other point guard on our team has me scratching my head. Sometimes I get the feeling he thinks the fans are scrubs who can't tell defense from offense. (I still think he's a great coach, though).
Where's Green?
I'm baffled as to why
sign a veteran PG
- Sign a veteran PG,
- Trade Jack and Blake for a decent backup center,
- Play Sergio and Green at backup PG, with Sergio getting maybe 12 minutes per game and Green 6.
I guarantee
Can't trade Blake
The first question
by TearsforDuckworth on Nov 7, 2007 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
Nate, Sergio, Blazer culture
I'm in the pro-Sergio camp, but I don't think it's unreasonable for him to accept the challenges that Nate has set for him to earn playing time. And if it IS part of a long-range approach (THIS is what the culture will be like here), then it's hard to argue, even though it's hard to see Sergio on the bench during Blake's dull stretches or Jack's ineffective ones...
by barryj on Nov 7, 2007 10:04 AM PST reply actions
Middle ground...
Before we throw Jack under the bus, we need to realize that we're only 3 games into the season. Players go through slumps all the time, especially young players, and part of "development" is learning how to play through and play out of these slumps.
On top of that, we need to realize that our own impressions of Sergio might be blown out of proportion (and this is coming from a HUGE Sergio fan). Last year, he came out of relative obscurity to cement himself deep within our hearts as a fan favorite because he was our one player (2 if you count Outlaw) that would consistently push the tempo. We loved him for that and, most importantly, we wanted to see more of him.
The problem is, as Nate pointed out, that Sergio has flaws. Last year, he had the language barrier on top of the fact that he was a rookie point guard. This year, he has more experience, but the playbook is noticeably simplified when Sergio is running the show. We become an up-tempo team that uses the pick-and-roll as it's bread-and-butter. Period. This isn't necessarily a bad thing; it's just simpler than some of the rotations that the first line run.
Secondly, don't put too much stock in the predicted success of Sergio Rodriguez by ESPN.com and SI.com. I think Sergio will be an awesome, exciting point guard, but any player who averages 12.3 assists per 48 minutes is going to appear to be future star. I think the Wages of Wins article about future stars was a real eye-opener because 3 of their 5 "Future Stars" are no longer in the NBA... You can also think of it this way- If Josh McRoberts comes in and grabs 2 rebounds in 1 minute, he's carrying a 96 rebounds per 48 minutes average. Should he be predicted to be the next Dennis Rodman?
Thirdly, if we did add Sergio to the first line right now (or increase his playing time to `first unit' minutes), it's not difficult to predict some of the problems that we might have.
1.) Sergio seems to have improved his jumper this summer but our sample size is limited because he hasn't really shot a lot this season and preseason. Opposing starters might just take their chances and let Sergio shoot all night, which probably isn't in our best interests.
2.) As Nate pointed out and we mostly agree on, Sergio's defense isn't quite ready for `first line' exposure. None of our point guards have been all that intimidating on the defensive end, but the difference is, that Jack and Blake look comfortable in both man-to-man and our team defenses. Sergio looks a little lost, especially when we are in our Zone defenses.
3.) And we can talk + / - numbers all day, but the bottom line is that NO team coached by Nate McMillan will result to simply "scoring more than their opponents." I don't know if you knew this, but when Coach McMillan sleeps, he doesn't snore. Instead, he twitches and mutters "Defense, Defense, Defense."
4.) Sergio is also at a disadvantage because he doesn't naturally mold into an off-guard when Brandon Roy plays the point. I think they could eventually work this out, but as of now, either Sergio or Roy would lose something when they're both on the floor together.
Now, I'm not in love with Jarrett Jack either, but I think yanking him out after 3 rough games is the worst possible scenario in the BIG picture of our future dynasty. Jack has a lot of the physical tools to be a very good player in the NBA. He's thick, he's got some speed, and when he's playing aggressive, he's got a really solid offensive game. He just needs to get his swagger back, sort of like Matt Damon in "The Legend of Bagger Vance." Does anyone know if Will Smith is available?
I guess we really need to redefine the term "rebuilding." I don't think you can say that the Blazers are "rebuilding" in the sense that they are overhauling the roster and starting over. We've "rebuilt." Now, we just need to find out what still remains and develop that.
by Champs2009 on Nov 7, 2007 10:20 AM PST reply actions
Well put.
And what is so difficult to grasp about why Sergio does or doesn't get more court time? Do a significant percentage of fans here really feel like Fizbin (in his diary post)? That you are as knowledgeable about basketball and about coaching an NBA team as McMillan or at least knowledgeable enough to feel insulted by Nate's comments regarding Rodriguez? I sure don't think I could step into his shoes. And if you don't believe you can do that, then you really are not in a position to be critizing the guy.
I do understand enough about the game to know that there is more to it than individual performance. I've heard people state that "Sure, Sergio is a poor defender, but he can't be any worse than Jack." Problem with that is it just isn't true. Jack might be getting lit up in individual matchups, but if he's managing to play in accordance to the defensive schemes, he is at least less likely to screw up the rest of the guys. Based on McMillan's comments, it's not just a case of Sergio being a poor defender. It sounds like he doesn't know where he's supposed to be or what to do. Like fighting through a screen or going under it, switching or staying with his man, rotating to the right player or spot when a teammate gets beat. If he is failing at tasks such as these on a regular basis, then he's messing up everybody's defense.
People just need to relax. Every indication which matters shows that both the GM and the coach are high on Rodriguez. His name was not bandied about this summer in trade talk, other than comments that other teams asked about him and the answer was always no thanks. His coach, away from the media, talks about him all the time and in a positive manner. His teammates like him. If we are not seeing him a lot on the court, it's pretty safe to assume it's because he's not ready and/or that he's not the best PG on the team right now. Assuming the coach has a bias against him or doesn't know what he's doing is not a reasonable conclusion.
Nate just fans the flames
The fans see that he's special and they're not wrong about that. With playing time he can learn defense and discretion, but neither Jack nor Blake are going to develop his court-vision.
I understand Nate's hesitancy. Sergio's the fastest horse but has no reigns. It will be a bumpy, white-knuckle ride. It's loss of control of the whole offense. Popovich used to describe that fear everytime he put Ginobilli in the game.
PS: Nate is a great coach and JJ is a shooting guard.
I don't know how this can put things to rest,
Jack is letting defenders drive by him.
Jack is committing a lot of turnovers.
Jack is shooting 20%.
I'm not hearing how Sergio is worse in anything McMillan says. I'm not saying Sergio should start, but he should get more time based on Jack's numbers. I think Nate is more worried about Jack's ego and betraying Jack's trust than he is in what's good for the team right now. And that's disturbing if it's true.
You hit upon the crux of the issue
I noticed that Roy looked rattled in pictures of him from the charity work he did with LMA. He was looking not his jovial self according to the reporter. My theory on this is that I think Roy knows there is a problem with Jack and that bothers him because they are friends. Sadly this league doesn't care much about friendships when players are worried about themselves more then the team. I know the position Roy is in because at my work we have lots of transfers from one part of the Sprawling bureaucracy to another and I "Lose" friends this way all the time.
At the end of the day all you can do is go out, do your job and not complain, at least not to the media. let's hope Jack will accept a combo guard off the bench role. If he does that it will be a HUGE boon to this team and his own stats if not...I see Jack gone before the All-Star break.
Blake should start with serious back up minutes depending on our needs for Sergio (Offense) and Green (Defense late game 3's). Jack needs to get touches as a 2 guard that is where he will flourish.
So you're saying
Is it possible that the 80 game sample of last year is more valid then this 3 game road trip?
And your thought that Nate would sacrifice the "good of the team" for the sake of jack just seems unfounded. I don't think there's an iota of evidence to support that contention.
Unless I'm mistaken, blake is starting tonight.
I don't think I said that at all.
Blake is starting tonight. Will the backup minutes go to Jack or Sergio? If they go to Jack, you have to ask yourself if it's good for the team at this point in time - not using someone's career stats or how popular they are to justify playing time.
by that logic
That didn't happen of course, because the coaches knew that wasn't indicative of his ability. How did they know that? In no small part because of last year. There is relevance to what a player has established in the past.
Jack has been replaced as the starter which is demotion enough.
And by the way, trying to say that jack get's playing time over sergio because jack is more "popular" is totally absurd. Sergio's popularity knows no bounds these days.
And frankly, in my opinion, your insistence on implying that Nate is making decisions without the good of the team in mind (you've done it twice), needs to be offered with some proof or discarded as a debating point.
Why Sergio fans seem overenthusiastic
"I have talked with McMillan several times over the past year about Sergio, and his lack of playing time. At times, McMillan has become defensive, and I would say probably more than any other topic, the questions about Sergio tend to rankle McMillan the most."
Nate have been treating Sergio in a very special way, compared to others. He might still like him but he's been extraordinarily strict to his turnover. We barely heard his praise about Sergio. He deosn't substitute Sergio in a logical and consistent way. He is sending mixed message.
People aren't asking major minutes for Sergio. They are asking consistent sub pattern. They want to make sure our coach is giving players fair chances, motivating them, and encouraging them.
Last year I asked more PT for Aldridge. I was pissed that Nate gave Magloire all the PT but gave Aldridge some DNP in December. But from Jan. things were getting better. Aldridge didn't play major minutes but he could always get some PT and learned. That's what I want for Sergio. I need to make sure he'll be given fair chance.
by spring610 on Nov 7, 2007 12:30 PM PST reply actions
That DNP for LMA
by TearsforDuckworth on Nov 7, 2007 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
LMA's DNP
From LMA's very first game, at Rose Garden against Mavs last season I knew he was a real deal and he just needed PT to learn the game. He got in foul trouble too early but as soon as he got used to NBA he would be fine. There wan't necessarily anything about the DNP.
And yeah I also HOPE Nate is defensive because he's doing the right thing that fans don't appreciate it. I'm just not very sure from what I've been observed.
by spring610 on Nov 7, 2007 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
The point is
by TearsforDuckworth on Nov 7, 2007 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
In Defence of Nate
by jcox on Nov 7, 2007 3:30 PM PST reply actions

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