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When we talk about the improvement of the Blazers mostly we talk about offensive potential.  This is pretty natural because as fans we tend to enjoy offense more than defense in general.  Offense is easier to quantify statistically.  It has an immediately-recognizable success measure:  the ball went in the hoop.  Defense is more subtle.  Unless there's a spectacular block or steal (which there isn't most of the time) it's harder to measure success.  Did that shot miss because of the defender or because the guy shooting it just whiffed?  Despite this, I would propose that the most significant evolution of the new Blazers may be defensive.  We have the potential to be a good offensive team but I think we have the potential to become a defensive giant.

The most basic (and seldom understood) principle of defense is simply controlling space.  You want to control more areas of the court than the opposing offense does, especially those areas in which the offense is most proficient at scoring.  If an offensive player can escape your area of control then they get an open look at the basket.  

There are two basic aspects to control:

--Being able to get to a spot on the floor.  (This includes staying in front of your man.)
--Being able to do something once you are there.

The most valuable assets contributing towards the first aspect are lateral footspeed, mental anticipation, and reaction/reflex.  The second asset requires size, athleticism, long arms, and the like.  Governing all of the above is the will and desire to be a good defender, often a task with little tangible reward other than knowledge of a job well done.

The poorest defenders are seriously lacking in many of the above qualities.  They might be too slow, too short, or simply not care about defending.  It's also possible to be very strong in a couple aspects but seriously lacking in others.  Damon Stoudamire had great quickness and the desire to defend.  Though he stayed in front of his man admirably he simply wasn't imposing enough to make a difference.  Everybody in the league shot over him like he wasn't there.  The aging Arvydas Sabonis had generally poor quickness and covered comparatively little space.  However the space he did cover was covered.  (This explains why it was particularly devastating when the refs let Shaq push him out of the lane with a forearm shiver.  It effectively removed all of his defensive presence.)  The most prized defenders can cover enormous amounts of space because of their agility and can disturb offensive players in the area they control.

This is precisely why I am excited about the new-look Blazers.

The frontcourt players will undoubtedly be the stars of our defensive show, assuming they recover (in Oden's case) and mature (in Lamarcus').  Aldridge already covers as much space as any power forward I've ever seen outside of maybe Kevin Garnett.  He can literally take out 1/3 of the potential scoring area all by himself, all the way from the rim out to the three-point line.  He has the quickness to stay in front of smaller players and is developing the bulk and stamina to handle larger ones too.  He has also shown the rudiments of knowing how and when to leave his man on help defense, which again he can prosecute from amazing distances.  Knock on wood, Lamarcus will be lined up beside the behemoth that is Greg Oden.  Oden will probably not cover the same amount of space as Lamarcus, but his range will still be excellent.  And the few feet of space he does give up will be made up for by his dominating presence.  He doesn't just bother opposing players, he obliterates them.  Of course this is contingent on his knee.  The #1 question facing the team in the next few years is how much quickness and lateral mobility Greg Oden will have coming off of the surgery.  If he regains anything close to his natural form you are probably looking at the best defensive big-man tandem in the league.  Nobody will have their combined range and few will be able to match their combined effect.  Given even moderate effort by the rest of the players not to let their men slip by completely unopposed you can effectively control around 60% of the court with just these two guys.

This is going to lessen the burden on the other three defensive players considerably.  None of the guys we have now have shown the ability to match Lamarcus' and Greg's defensive prowess.  But dividing 40% of the court between three players they won't have to.  This is part of why I say that Oden's presence is going to make everybody else look much better on defense than they otherwise seem.

Travis Outlaw has immense leaping ability and decent vertical speed to close for help defense and could be an asset as a secondary defender coming in for the block.  He hasn't shown lateral quickness, understanding of the game, or enough desire to consider him a good individual defender though.  He has the capability of covering space but not necessarily the tools to bother people unless he surprises them.  Martell Webster has not shown the physical tools at all but I will be interested to see how the weight loss affects his ability to move laterally.  Darius Miles has all the tools to be a great defender but as usual it comes down to a matter of desire for him, which so far he hasn't shown.  I haven't seen enough of James Jones to comment.  Small forward may be one of those positions where we give up a little defense in order to boost offensive production.

The backcourt offers the most hope for improvement.  Again they don't have to be brilliant if our two big guys pan out, they just have to be adequate.  Brandon Roy has not been that good of a defender so far.  However because of his precocious offensive abilities it's easy to forget he's still learning the game.  He appears to have the physical tools to be an adequate defender.  He has reasonable height for an off-guard and superior height for the point.  He has good lateral quickness.  His athleticism isn't superior compared to many NBA guards but his smarts will probably allow him to compensate once he gets more experience. It's hard to imagine him not having the desire.  Jarrett Jack showed some slowness of foot last year, though some reports have him looking quicker this year.  He also needs more experience.  However he has the body to be very imposing if he can get into position to bother the opposition.  Since quickness is so vital you'd rate his overall chances as slightly less than Roy's but there's still a decent chance he becomes average at least.  Steve Blake already has the smarts, desire, and enough footspeed to make him an adequate defender.  However he is not imposing enough to really bother the best guards.  Taurean Green has the potential to be great.  He has the kind of will that makes up for other shortcomings.  And he doesn't have many other shortcomings.  He's quick on his feet and has great instincts.  His Achilles Heel, if any, will be his height.  But he is capable of covering as much space on his beat as the big guys do on theirs.  It's hard to tell what Sergio Rodriguez can bring yet because I don't think he knows what to bring.  Speed is obviously not an issue for him but will, stamina, and defensive smarts may be.

That just leaves the back-up big men.  I do not have much hope for Channing Frye on the defensive end.  He won't be horrible but I doubt he'll be great either.  This will be one of the main distinctions between him and Lamarcus.  His lateral speed is not impressive and he's far more imposing offensively than defensively.  Quickness makes all the difference in the world for Joel Przybilla.  Three years ago when the weight was off and his head was in the game he covered a decent amount of ground and blocked a lot of shots when he got there.  In the last year or so he's carried more pounds, experienced more injuries, and gotten correspondingly slower and more ground-bound.  This has killed him as a defender.  Early reports seem to indicate that he has slimmed down and regained his confidence and desire, which could make him a good asset again.  McRoberts and LaFrentz have to play more to get a good feel for what they have and/or what they have left.

Of course we've only talked about halfcourt defense here.  The other key element is transition defense.  Fortunately this doesn't require as much skill as desire.  Most everybody can get down the court without the ball as quickly as the offensive guy who's dribbling it.  Our smaller guys simply have to have the desire and stamina.  I hope the develop both, as this has been a severe weakness in the past couple years.

It's unlikely we'll see a radical defensive revolution this season.  The team is still too young and has too much to learn.  Plus there's a big difference between Lamarcus covering 30% with everybody else covering 70% (Joel, nice though he is, not having Oden's coverage ability) and the Monster Twins covering 60% with everybody else splitting 40%.  However there's reason to hope that in another couple of years you will be looking at one of the better defensive teams in the league.  Combined with a very nice offensive attack, this could be plenty exciting to watch.

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

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This is why I was so excited to lose Zach
Most of the guys on the team play better D when they are mailing it in than when Zach was trying.  Zach didn't try very often.  There is NO WAY that the team will be worse defensively this year and there is a possibility that with the emergence of Web (maybe) and LaMarcus (most assuredly) the team will be better offensively as well.
Joel Przybilla: All-star '08

by shenanigans on Oct 18, 2007 6:25 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

dave, you zigged when i thought you were going to
zag. sounds like the only guys you think are good defensively are lma, go and tg. everyone else seems adequate or are bench players. so why are you so optimistic, not that that's a bad thing...

by rburg on Oct 18, 2007 8:22 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

In a nutshell:
Because you don't have to have everyone good if some of them are great.

--Dave

by Dave on Oct 18, 2007 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dislike this thought.
I think you can't have a weak link on defense.  Then what happens is everyone runs around making up for that one guy.  Even if your good guys are really good, a real playoff team will find yur weak link and hammer on it.  No team can run a scrambling defense against a good veteran team.

by EnglandDan on Oct 18, 2007 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can't have anyone not trying
But you don't have to have everyone be good.

For instance, someone who is a little slow can take more chances on the perimeter when Oden is patrolling the paint.  If you don't have real help back there, you've got to back off a little and let the guy have his outside shots.  If you have help, you can be much more aggressive, and funnel your man to where you want him to go (right into Oden or Aldridge) rather than where he wants to go (absolutely anywhere besides into those two).

If a team plays together on defense, and the guys who aren't that good play their role in the defensive scheme, you can be very effective.  You can also do things like a trapping defense, which even a guy who isn't that good of a man defender should be able to do.  You can't really run a trap with Zach on the floor.  You can with Aldridge and Oden.

by jscot on Oct 18, 2007 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll put it this way,
if you have someone who sucks on defense you have to try and have others make up for it.  This is never as good as having someone be able to play defense.  If I was a GM about to start a rebuilding process, the point on the top of the board would be "Everyone has to be able to defend their position".  I can't remember the last championship team with an easily identifiable, major liability on defense.

by EnglandDan on Oct 18, 2007 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right
in the sense that you can't have a guy totally submarining the defense.  This was pretty much what Zach did.  People would channel their guys to the correct spots on the court where they were supposed to receive help and...no help.  Zach would wave at his man and let him break down the defense single-handedly.  Eventually people stop trying as hard because it's just no use.

However a great defensive player or two can more than make up for guys who are decent or even a little sub-par.  Tim Duncan is one of those guys who, with Bruce Bowen's help, make that team look very good.  Rip Hamilton wasn't known as a great defender before Detroit got Sheed and Big Ben.  (And really Chauncey Billups didn't win any awards either.)  It's not so much that lousy guys become good, rather the great defenders make it possible for guys who are lesser to make the most out of what they do.

Example:  With Zach defending inside unless a guard could stay in front of his man his defense was ineffective.  Most of our guards couldn't stay in front of their men consistently.  Thus bad defense.  With Oden inside you can say, "You don't have to stay in front of your man, just don't let him drive baseline."  Those same guards can probably manage that.  They hang on the baseline hand, forcing the guy to go into Oden's area, and...SMACK.  Everybody looks like geniuses.

This gets even better if folks are active on help defense or trapping.  You don't have to be that great of an athlete to double-team.  The presence of two bodies causes more trouble than the athleticism of either of them.  However you have to have other non-double-teaming guys who can pick up the slack, close quickly, and bother (or at least stall) the other players when the ball moves around.  LMA and Oden will end up far better at this than any of the frontcourt defenders we've had since 'Sheed.  This should allow us to be more aggressive.  Again, the whole defense looks better because of the skills of a couple guys.

--Dave

by Dave on Oct 18, 2007 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Remember Ratliff and Przybilla together?
We were still poor defensively and that was the best big-man shot-blocking interior in the league.

by EnglandDan on Oct 18, 2007 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah...but shot blocking
doesn't equal defense.  Theo was a master shot blocker but actually in my estimation a rather poor defender compared to his stats and hype.  He'd take over some games with his amazing blocks but many others he'd be largely ineffective.  He was almost always ineffective when guarding quicker or bigger players individually.  Joel had some of the same issues but I think he's a better overall defender than Theo.  Oden will be far better than either.

--Dave

by Dave on Oct 18, 2007 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So your assertion is that Oden and Aldridge
will improve the defense of their teammates through some other method than shot-blocking.  What method will this be?

by EnglandDan on Oct 18, 2007 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Closing off the lane,
moving their feet, helping cover the smalls, some shot blocking but probably not to the extent that Theo did.  Also rebounding hopefully.

Blocked shots only happen 6 times a game, even for the best team.  Hopefully our bigs have more of a defensive influence than that.

--Dave

by Dave on Oct 18, 2007 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not on the floor together...

Both played center, and when one was on the floor the other was usually on the bench.

Instead, both generally shared the frontcourt with defensive stalwarts such as Sharif Abdur-Rahim (the SAR-Theo frontcourt was just as lousy in Atlanta before it headed west for Rasheed) and Z-bo.

Plus, the years that both were in Blazer uniforms; the Blazer backcourt consisted of guys like Nick Van Exel (lousy defender, and often playing out of position at 2 when DA was hurt), Derek Anderson (lousy defender), Bassy (truly horrible defender--Zbo-esque in his suckitude and lack of effort on D), Damon Stoudamire for a year (tried hard, but too short to play effective D).  Later JJ and Blake came on board and improved the D somewhat, but about the same time, the one decent perimeter defender the Blazers of that era had (Ruben Patterson) was shipped out.  A guard who doesn't bother to try and stay in front of his man is just as toxic to the defense as a big man who doesn't bother to rotate--even if you do have good shotblockers in the middle, it's a quick way to foul them out of the game.  

And in my book, leading the league in blocked shots while not leading the league in team defense is a sure sign that your perimeter D is terrible; the best defense results in no shot; rather than a layup that gets swatted at the last minute.  How many blocks and steals does Bruce Bowen get a game?  Not many; but whoever he is guarding gets taken out of the offense completely--and either simply misses a lot, or doesn't get to shoot.

by EngineerScotty on Oct 18, 2007 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ask Ken whether they played together.
he loved that line-up.

by EnglandDan on Oct 18, 2007 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

P.S., thanks for making my point,
we had a great shot blocking tandem, but our D was not that great because our perimeter players were poor.  My point is that it matters if everyone can defend their position.  If one guy can't everyone has to help.  If you are helping, you aren't defending your guy.  Scrambling ensues and vets will take advantage.  This is why 'The NBA is all about match-ups" is an extremely tired cliche.  NBA coaches find a place where a defender can't handle his man.  They give that guy the ball, the defense helps and open shots occur.

by EnglandDan on Oct 18, 2007 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not completely on or off
As I said above you're right that if a key guy is completely inept it will poke a hole in the defensive dam and weaken the overall structure.  But there are a fair number of guys in the space between completely inept and good defenders.  (This includes most of our backcourt right now, I'd wager.)  You don't have to have everyone be good if you have a couple bigs who are great.

--Dave

by Dave on Oct 18, 2007 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OOOOPS!
AWWWWWWW...I accidentally deleted Dan's response and my response to his response, which was pretty much the end of things.

In any case Dan's final response was something along the lines of five mediocre defenders being a better model than two great and three not-so-great.

We will let that be the last word.

--Dave

by Dave on Oct 18, 2007 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think
effort is far more important than generally accepted, even by this sophisticated audience.

I also think that, sorry- here it comes; culture defines ethic, and work ethic creates habit. We are creatures of habit.

If Martell has matured and evolved into a more professional employee, and his employer measures professionalism by those practice habits valued by his boss, he'll work hard on his d.  It's why I think Sergio won't succeed as a Blazer.

So I call your Web and LMA and raise you BRoy, Blake, Pryz and a Jack.

Six of your top rotation players now are established defensive contributors or appear ready to buy in.

The possibility of six athletic, smart, aware, gotcherback, defense-first hustle guys makes this grouchy old coach want to giggle with delight.

Then one day soon we'll add Oden...

That's the stuff of championships.

by ojala on Oct 18, 2007 8:31 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

LMA v. GO
I agree with nearly everything you've said. My only quibble: Let's assume that Mr. Oden returns "all the way" from his surgery. In that case, I think he's going to cover MORE ground the LMA.  He's a more explosive athlete -- his times in the speed and agility tests before the draft were freakish. And when you watch him, he comes out of nowhere to block shots and cover guys. So I'm even more bullish than you are on frontcourt defense.  The only other thing I'd add is defensive rebounding, which finishes off a defensive sequence. Roy is potentially an excellent rebounder from the backcourt, which makes him even more valuable as a defender, in my opinion.  

by barryj on Oct 18, 2007 8:31 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Brandon Roy
Brandon Roy has not been that good of a defender so far.

I beg to differ. In almost every situation I can remember, Brandon Roy has proven to be a smart, if not always super energetic, defender. He's had to conserve his energy for the offensive end but he plays excellent position defense and knows when to make his move. He garnered a lot of steals and deflections, and even had a spectacular block in transition one game where he caught up with the guy laying it in and swatted it away.

I'd also say that Prz is a defensive presence who changes the game on that end when he is in. His main weakness is fouls. Other than that, he gobbles up interior space which is very valuable--the most valuable position on the court.

I love sports cliches..."Just take it one game at a time. Stay focused. Just give 110 percent. We executed down the stretch."

by jamon51 on Oct 18, 2007 9:17 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You're right
about the middle of the court being the most valuable but Przy didn't gobble up anything last year.  Could have been injuries, weight, confidence, or a combination thereof, but he was a shadow of himself.  That's why I'm semi-excited about reports that he's re-gained mobility. And about seeing stats like "4 blocks" in the boxscore.  Blocks can sometimes be overrated in defense but in Joel's case they show that he's mobile, aggressive, and all the way back.

--Dave

by Dave on Oct 18, 2007 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Last year Brandon Roy was a poor defender.
Joel Przybilla was by far our best defender.  I expect Brandon to improve somewhat, particularly if healthy, and I expect Joel to continue to be our best defender.  The guys with the best chance of improving defensively are Jarrett Jack and Martell Webster.

by EnglandDan on Oct 18, 2007 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Przy has been a poor defender, Darius a good one
I think Joel will become a better defender if he loses some of his athleticism and has to stay put more.  Two years ago, he killed us by going for block after block and leaving his man to mop up on the boards.  

Good penetrators could also pick us apart by dishing once he had committed to go for the block.  He really only helped us against poorly disciplined teams that didn't pass or rebound well inside.

I'd much rather see him get 1 block and 10 rebounds than 3 blocks and 6 rebounds.  

Darius played some fantastic defense, even in the (many) games were his offense never got going.  I'm not sure he will still have that quickness coming off the surgery and year out, but he was great.  

It seemed to me that he played committed D whenever the team was playing well together.  During our complete slumps, he didn't do much of anything.  He seems to be a follower, and if the core of the team is trying, he will try.

by hoopla on Oct 18, 2007 10:55 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What about
4 blocks and 12 rebounds??

I think he can average 2 blocks and 10 boards and 6 or 8 points.  He will be good again.  I sound like sergioFTW.

Joel Przybilla: All-star '08

by shenanigans on Oct 18, 2007 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

board numbers
I think the point that was trying to be made is that shot blockers tend to give up offensive rebounds, which usually lead to easy buckets. So it doesent matter what the rebound totals look like if joel is giving up easy buckets by leaving his man.

A little off the point, but Hollinger points out that the amazing thing about Tim Duncan is that he blocks shot and rebounds as he rarely leaves his man or the ground. It seems like a good lesson for all big men to learn.

by jonestr on Oct 18, 2007 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pet peeve of mine.
On defense nobody ever talks about smarts.  A good defender studies the opposition.  He thinks about what the other team wants to do, and then prepares to stop it.  A good defender fakes that there's open space and then fills it at the last moment.  A good defender knows what bothers people, can psychologically upset the opposition, but knows which players do better when angry.  A good defender studies the offensive sets of the other team.  A good defender recognizes the sets of the opposition and then tells his teammates.  A good defender reads a play and anticipates it.  Travis Outlaw is quick, long, has great reflexes and has the desire to be good.  He's a mediocre defender.

by EnglandDan on Oct 18, 2007 11:24 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Defensive Character
   Every good/great defensive player shares one quality. They understand the importance of playing defense. They understand the importance and they commit to the concept of playing hard defense with the same or equal passion that most players have offensively.

   That's where I think Kevin Pritchards commitment to obtaining players with character and intelligence will pay off. Throw 15 guys together, all with varying degrees of physical talent, and diverse skills, and some will be naturally better defenders than others, but if you can get your entire team to buy into the concept of playing defense, and it's importance, then you will be a decent defensive team.

   Far less glamor, and immediate excitement and gratification playing defense, but I think the roster The Blazers are assembling, and The Coach we have at the helm will combine to make The Blazers a very good defensive team.

"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"

by Krang on Oct 18, 2007 12:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I appreciate your description
of what is needed to play good D. I have loved the game as a fan since I was ten years old. Lately I'm been trying to appreciate the game from an analytical point of view. Your explanation of the elements of good D is very helpful.
When church and state marry, the devil pays for the reception.

by fisheyes on Oct 18, 2007 12:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Egads!
He busted out the "Neener"!  How can you argue with that?

I yield, you silver-tongued devil, you.  The all-powerful "Neener" leaves me no choice.

That's the last time I bring a knife to a gunfight though.  Next time we meet, prepare to meet the dreaded, "Pffffphphphtttt!"

--Dave

by Dave on Oct 18, 2007 5:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Synergism
Hah!  I've been making fun of other posters' use of such terms.  But I actually used "synergistic" to describe the combo of GO and LMA back before the draft (in a letter to The Oregonian).  

When these two learn to play together, they'll shut down the middle--and beyond--completely.  And when one goes for the block, the other will grab the rebound and make the outlet pass.  Because both men run so well, this will result in a devastating fast break.  

At this point, Aldridge must choose: do I scramble to the perimeter to help out, leaving my man open down low?  Do I go for the shot block, leaving my man open to grab the offensive board?  But when LMA is playing alongside Oden--whose ability to cover ground and do damage when he gets there is even greater than LMA's--these tradeoffs will no longer exist.  That's where the S-word comes in.  This season, we'll see LESS than half of next year's "twin towers."  

by hurryup09 on Oct 18, 2007 7:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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