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Shopping Zach

By now you've all heard John Canzano's news that the Blazers are not actively shopping Zach Randolph. Not being one to take such things lying down, I decided if they're not going to shop him, by gum I am more than willing. Over the weekend I contacted the best hoops blogs in five NBA cities, all potential destinations for our sweet-shooting, street speeding, simulated-sex-soliciting scoring sensation. The concept was simple:  Here's a trade that works under cap rules.  What are your thoughts and what would your team's reaction be?  

Here are the responses:

The Golden State Warriors
Proposed Trade: Zach Randolph for Troy Murphy and either Andris Biedrins or Zarko Cabarkapa.
Response from Atma Brother One at Golden State of Mind

As Blazers fans know Zach Randolph is a legit 20-10 guy which illustrates his enormous talent and potential. 20-10's are hard to come by, but the problem is Randolph is what we like to call in the fantasy world a "two-category" guy. He seems like a black hole with more turnovers than assists and very little effect on the defensive end. For 5 more years at 70 million that's not the best return on investment.  But hey- the Warriors should be the last ones talking about bad contracts. (See 44 Reasons why giving Mike Dunleavy 44 million wasn't the brightest idea for a laugh. It's at the site.)

Would the Warriors consider Randolph for Troy Murphy and either Andris Biedrins or Zarko Cabarkapa? Before Nellie came back Zarko could probably be had for a bag of cabakarpa, but the Z-man might have a nice little role now. Still, he's easy to part with. The problem is Mullin is in love with his young guns and thinks really highly of them. The Warriors probably see Ike Diogu approaching Randolph's numbers, but on a rookie pay scale. So money-wise and talent-wise it's probably a no-go.

The Philadelphia 76'ers
Proposed Trade: Zach Randolph, Travis Outlaw, and Dan Dickau for Chris Webber
Response from Jon at Passion and Pride

I can't imagine Webber fits into your plans.  Sure, the Sixers would like to dump his contract (the worst in the NBA) but the only offers are QRichardson and Mo Taylor (not exactly intriguing).  They've resigned themselves to the fact that they're probably locked into CWebb for 2 more years.  So, any team that takes him on would be investing big money into 2 years instead of one.  My guess is that NEXT summer would be the time Webber gets traded when there's only 1 year left on his deal.

Randolph doesn't look too intriguing to teams since he's coming off injury. Think Shareef Abdur-Rahim last year.  The Nets were interested at first but then didn't want any parts.  Try dumping Randolph on them and seeing if they'll give you Jason Kidd.  That would be a better deal for you and the Nets still need a PF.  At this point, the Sixers are not interested in a young Derrick Coleman.  Outlaw would be nice though.

The Boston Celtics
Proposed Trade: Zach Randolph for Wally Szczerbiak
Response from Jeff at Celticsblog

Well, my first reaction is to pass, but that's just me - I'm sure some Celtics fans would do that deal.  My thinking is this: we have a potential star in Al Jefferson and trading for his replacement ends that progression.  He should be healthy this year so I'd like to see what he is made of before giving up on him. Besides, Jefferson's value is low because of his ankle issues, so there isn't much sense dealing him (which would likely be the next step after getting Randolph).

In addition, I have a thing against guys I think are knuckleheads.  While I don't think Zach means any harm, he just seems like a doofus, and I don't want that much money invested.  But I'm sure you've heard that perspective beaten to death in Portland-land

On the other hand, if you need a trade partner for a 3 way deal, we're ready to move Wally or Theo.

The Chicago Bulls
Proposed Trade: Zach Randolph for P.J. Brown and ONE of the following (roughly in this order): Andres Nocioni, Chris Duhon, or Mike Sweetney
Response from Matt at Blog-A-Bull

It's an interesting proposal, but I think the years/amount left on his contract is an even bigger avoidance for the Bulls than his general 'attitude' problem.  Zach has a near-max salary slot, and unlike a lot of teams the Bulls have no 'bad' contracts they would like to get rid of. (Wallace may be one of those eventually, but obviously he isn't going anywhere.)

I think when they dealt Chandler and only asked for an expiring contract (PJ Brown) in return John Paxson was setting himself up to make a big deal at midseason.  And I think at the stage they're at, the Bulls will only make a big move if it means the player that they'd get will vault the team into title contention. There's a very short list of players available who fit that criteria, but that's why I think they are holding their cards until the trade deadline and then hoping someone like Garnett or Ray Allen becomes available.

I think that Randolph would be a decent fit, but the lack of work ethic or willingness to play  defense would not serve him when dealing with the Bulls and Scott Skiles. And he's a good player, but not the type to put a team like the Bulls over the top.

The New York Knicks
Proposed Trades:
#1 Zach and Juan Dixon for Jalen Rose
#2 Zach and Darius Miles for Jalen Rose
#3 Zach and Darius Miles for Jalen Rose and Channing Frye
Response from Knickerblogger at Knickerblogger.net

What I would do and what the Knicks would do are two entirely different things. Isiah Thomas is a man with his neck on the line, so he might trade Jalen Rose for Zach Randolph or Darius Miles if it'll give him a better opportunity to win this year without a second thought on the long term cap implications. It's hard to predict what he'll do, because under him the Knicks have gone in a myriad of directions all at once. There was a rumor about a Q-Rich for Miles swap earlier in the year, so I don't see why he wouldn't trade Jalen's expiring contract to do so. As for Zach, the question rests on Frye. Can Frye stay at PF, or will he have to shift over to C more with Curry & James being the only options at the 5? If Frye is playing major minutes at the 4, then Zach Randolph is not needed. But if Curry and James are in foul trouble and Frye is forced to man the center, then Randolph becomes an intriguing option for Isiah.

So to answer your question, Isiah would likely do #1 & #2, but I seriously doubt he would trade Frye at this time.
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The results of our little experiment?  Basically a "thanks but no thanks" from four, and the fifth only allowed the possibility because his GM makes worse decisions than a half-baked teenager with an all-night pass and a glo-stick. It's the Trident dentist survey in reverse. (Cue announcer voice: "Four out of five bloggers recommend staying clear of Zach Randolph and his contract.") And I'm sure in the eyes of many I was far too modest in what I asked in return too.

Atma Brother One did offer this consolation prize however:

A trade I would like to see is Darius Miles for Mike Dunleavy with filler parts to make it work numbers-wise. Both players have run out their welcome at their respected towns. Nellie could do some big things with Darius at a point-forward role and Dunleavy just needs a change of scenery. Miles could run with Boom Dizzle, JRich, and Monta. It seems like the Blazers are trying super-hard to get rid of DMiles ASAP, but haven't been able to pull it off. Likewise, it's no secret that the Warriors have been trying to move Dunleavy.

*cough*  Er...thanks, Atma my brother. Presumably we shouldn't read that "44 Reasons" thing before pulling the trigger?

Hey folks, the best way to thank all the bloggers who helped with this little project is to click on their blogs and check them out.  There's some fine stuff out there and you'd find the Blazers aren't alone in trying to cope with various miseries (or in scavenging reasons for pre-season optimism).

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

Update [2006-9-5 17:43:31 by Dave]: Here are the links to the Golden State Report Cards and the 44 Reasons Mike Dunleavy Post that Atma included in his commentary but weren't working earlier.

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Couldn't we just...
leave him on the doorstep of some firehouse?  There's a "safe haven" clause in the law for that, isn't there?

Seriously, I don't think you can get in trouble if you leave your baby at a firehouse or police station.

by ken on Sep 5, 2006 6:27 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Links
FYI Dave, a lot of the links in this post are broken.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 5, 2006 7:04 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The ones that were broken...
are ones I cut and pasted from the sender.  Since I don't know his intention as far as destination I just edited them out and replaced them with regular text.  Sorry about that.

--Dave

by Dave on Sep 5, 2006 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Poor Zach
Nobody wants him. All he can do is spiral his life out of control while spending his 'bling'.

by blazerprophet on Sep 5, 2006 12:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

key phrase...
"He's a tool..."

by ken on Sep 5, 2006 3:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

couldn't have put it better myself
that was good for a laugh.  Thanks Ken.

by saregister on Sep 5, 2006 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would bet
 
NY will have a significantly more ping-pong balls than Portland in '07. So, give NY Zach and trade first picks...HOLD IT!!! NY does own it's first round pick this year, right?

by bigddydrg on Sep 5, 2006 4:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Nope
Not necessarily.  Chicago has the right to trade picks with NY if the Bulls' pick is lower.  If we got the NY first rounder we'd be getting the lower of Chicago's or New York's.  Since Chicago is likely to do reasonably well in the East this year, it'd probably amount to a mid-first rounder at best.

--Dave

by Dave on Sep 5, 2006 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which makes me think...
that Chicago option on NY's pick is still a sweet prize. I'm hoping the Blazers do well enough this year they won't have a top 5 pick. Obviously Chicago doesn't want Zach's obscene contract but could Portland make a deal for that pick? I'm hopin' yes but thinkin' no. Paxon's smart and he's holding a petty good hand right now...
"It's what you learn after you know it all that counts." John Wooden

by Dr Dave on Sep 5, 2006 6:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd love it...
and I'd do it in a heartbeat but I'm thinking like a fan and it's probably more of a fan move than a real GM move.  To wit:

--GMs won't trade for assets they're not sure of, i.e. ping pong balls.  We fans love dealing in possibilities, they need surety because their job's on the line.  The more valuable the guy you're trading, the more true this becomes.  And however valuable or not Zach seems around the league, he's still our most talented guy (by the numbers and proven skill at least).  I don't think anyone envisions Zach for an eventual #17 pick being a prime deal.

--If the swapped pick becomes enough of a sure thing to really float our boat (NY finishes with a horrible record or something) we won't be able to field a good enough offer to pry it from Chicago, especially with next year's draft being big man heavy and them being happy with one.

In other words, the only way we could get it is if we wouldn't want it.  (A riff on Woody Allen's old "I wouldn't want to belong to any club that would have me as a member.")  Minnesota may be able to bend these maxims by offering Garnett or something, but we don't carry that kind of clout.

--Dave

by Dave on Sep 5, 2006 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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