"Watching the NBA; not that easy for me," [Phil] Jackson said.

"There's very little passing offense that goes on in the NBA anymore. Everything is off the dribble, on a screen roll, through the screen roll, so the innovation is very limited as far as what's going on. I find myself watching hockey playoffs before watching basketball playoff games."

"You'd watch the NHL playoffs over the NBA playoff games?" [Andrea] Kremer quizzically asked.

"Less commercials, more fun, much more action. Yeah."