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The Hidden Cost of "The Call"

By now you've been over every single angle of the admittedly-blown goal-tending call that cost the Portland Trail Blazers a game against the Oklahoma City Thunder two nights ago in the Rose Garden. You've seen the camera angles, heard the howls of protest, and you realize fully that the standings now say, "Portland: 14-11" instead of "Portland: 15-10" when for the last few years Western Conference playoff standings have been bunched with a single game or two making the difference between high seeds and low. That's the obvious cost of this blown opportunity.

You also know that of all the public people in all the internet world I am the last to blame outcomes on officials. I am happy to point out multiple offensive rebounds given up to the Thunder, offensive possessions with no clear shot because of poorly-executed sets, shots that should be made with eyes closed not going in. Therefore let me state publicly that I am not complaining that the Thunder were unworthy to win that game. They played well. They did what they were supposed to. That cannot be taken away from them. And the message to the Blazers remains: give the extra effort so that your fate is never in the hands of the officials. That's the biggest take-away point for the team going forward.

But before we leave this issue entirely, we need to note that there are hidden costs to this event beyond the obvious divisional and conference standings.

Every season and every career have moments that define them. This is particularly true of critical seasons in the careers of emergent superstars. However it's defined, superstardom is build around repeated effort and repeated victories. It's proven over time, not granted in a moment. But that scrolling timeline is peppered with defining moments when players take the step from star to team leader, from team leader to all-time great. Who can forget Bill Walton blocking Kareem Abdul-Jabbar or Clyde Drexler serving a facial to Detroit? These moments defined careers, bringing these Hall-of-Famers into the public consciousness, stamping the label "Chosen One" on them in a way that could not be gainsaid.

I'm not suggesting that LaMarcus Aldridge is ready to be labeled a Hall-of-Famer, nor that Monday's moment was as critical as the Walton or Drexler plays just mentioned. Both of those happened in the playoffs, for one thing, and at a Conference Final or NBA Final level. But before those moments happened both Portland and the league saw plenty of transcendent snapshots from those two stars. The table was set for the Ultimate Defining Event by the earlier play and its acknowledgement by teammates, opponents, league observers, and fans. In some ways the day that Drexler became Portland's unquestioned leader was as important as the day he threw down that jam in the Finals.

Who could argue that Blake Griffin had just such a moment last week with the dunk against Kendrick Perkins? Before that it was Griffin and Paul, Paul and Griffin. Now you KNOW who's coming to town and who's going to lead that team to the Big Time Lights (provided that happens). You're waiting for Griffin. You're anticipating the next explosion. His teammates are too. They're going to rally around him, depend on him, draw their confidence from him. If and when he gets to the late playoffs the stage will be set for his Big Moment, for his career to be defined, and for his teammates to rally around that play to victory. And you know what? If that Big Moment--say another dunk--happens to involved a little bit of a charge over a defender whose feet are planted that's not going to be called. The whistles will be mute because everybody, including the refs, are going to be watching for the Big Time Event and that's all anybody is going to see. (See also: Michael Jordan pushing off on Bryon Russell in 1998 long after he had hit the game-winner against Craig Ehlo in 1989.)

LaMarcus Aldridge also had that Griffin-esque moment against the Thunder Monday. The game was down to, in effect, one meaningful possession. The opponent was the greatest scorer in the game today, a guy totally unstoppable by mortals. Durant got the drive he wanted and the shot he wanted. And Aldridge, without help and without mercy, snuffed him out. The layers of meaning here are manifold. This may have been more of a defining moment than Griffin's because Blake already gets plenty of hype whereas Aldridge toils in relative obscurity. One of the main questions surrounding Aldridge has been whether he's a big-time player, a true team leader. With one swoop of his arm LaMarcus declared to his teammates, Portland fans, and the world that he could be trusted not just for stats but to make the plays necessary to propel his team to victories. And he did it on the defensive end. He showed the power of defense in general and his own in particular...a critical lesson and assurance for any team trying to become great instead of just good. This was the rallying point. This was the moment where everybody pointed to LaMarcus and said, "He stared down the giant and took him out, saving all of us. We can get behind him and he won't let us down." This was the eternally-repeated SportsCenter highlight. This was the All-Star lock moment. This was the exact instant when everybody looked at LaMarcus Aldridge and said, "He has become more than just a player. He is The Man." This was the moment that made not only the Thunder, but everybody in the league, wonder if playing the Blazers was safe as long as Aldridge's sneakers hit the floor. This was neither the first nor the last pivotal moment of Aldridge's career, but it was a darn-hard-to-replace chance to take the next step into a possible evolution to superstardom.

All of that was taken away by one whistle.

I'm not saying that LMA's teammates, fans, and league observers think less of him now than they did before. To use the vernacular he's wizard, he's smashing, he's keen. We all know that. Everybody will admit it freely. He's even going to get his long-coveted All-Star election. That was going to happen no matter what. But now when the league remembers this moment, if they remember it at all, the topic of conversation is going to be a Scott Foster whistle, not a spectacular LaMarcus Aldridge game-saving block. Now when his teammates remember this game they're going to recall a demoralizing four-point loss, not an exhilarating and potentially season-changing two-point win. They won't get to rally behind the leader who sealed their victory. Instead they'll be left with the image of their leader getting screwed at the mercy of powers beyond his control...a decidedly different lesson. Instead of being perceived league-wide as the guy who outscored and then stood up to Kevin Durant--perhaps a critical image should the two ever match up in the post-season--Aldridge will be remembered for putting up a nice stat line but eventually joining the ranks of Durant's many victims in this fine season for the Thunder.

For comparison's sake, imagine if Blake Griffin had made that block and it had been called clean under identical circumstances. Pundits and casual fans alike would be trumpeting him as a "two way player" and a defensive force. Radio hosts from coast to coast would be speculating about a Clippers-Thunder matchup in the playoffs. Speculation would begin on whether you'd rather have Griffin or Durant on your team, not in terms of scoring but for winning. The reaction wouldn't have been as great for Portland because Aldridge wasn't as hyped as Griffin going into this contest. Still, whatever buzz and momentum were there, whatever promotion of identity--self-assessed or granted by others--was in the offing because of that buzz, Aldridge and the Blazers were robbed of it.

Both player and team will get more such moments...more chances to discover whether they're willing and able to be amazing instead of just pretty good. This whistle won't define his career nor the team's fate. But it did take away a chance for both star and team to become more than they were in this moment and to travel further down the road to perceived greatness. Now if Aldridge puts another spectacular block on Durant announcers everybody around the league will react with surprise and amazement, saying, "Can you believe that?!?" instead of saying, "This has happened before. Aldridge may have Durant's number and may be just as potent of a team leader, if not player." The gulf between those two statements is vast, not only in assessment but in impact and influence on the game, team expectations, and yes, officiating. The edge the latter statement provides is exactly the one that teams like the Lakers, and now the Clippers and Thunder, carry into matchups against less-heralded foes. That edge can easily provide the difference between playoff wins and losses in an otherwise-even contest.

For a bright, shining second Aldridge and the Blazers were over that hump in a way they hadn't been since the Drexler years really. For an instant the tide had turned, bringing with it hope that once turned, it would continue to flow Portland's direction. Then that instant was pierced by the sound of a whistle, assaulted by a dramatic gesture, marred by an incorrect assessment by one of the only three people who had the power to take it all away. And they did. Like Icarus too near the sun the Blazers were brought back to earth, made again into the team of Greg Oden's broken knees, of Brandon Roy's medical retirement, of Scottie Pippen's complaining about officiating bias, of the blown fourth quarter against the Lakers in 2000, of the Magic Johnson rebound tip in 1991, of Buck Williams and Jake O'Donnell, of the Bowie leg shattering and the Walton foot collapse. Portland fans felt those pains echoed in their moment of hope robbed. Now once again they ask if a break is ever coming their way. And once again the sad realization hits: if you have to ask, it's not. Some folks get to be the cool kids, others don't even when they appear to earn it. Sometimes the difference between the two is as small as a single tweet.

--Dave (blazersub@gmail.com)

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Only one thing can possibly remedy that...

Do it again, LA.

Apparently not giving up on Brandon or Greg paid no dividends. Whatever... Go Blazers!!!

by musicdaniel on Feb 8, 2012 10:07 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Yes indeed great read

This needs to be said to Jason Quick as well. He wrote a whole column yesterday basically trashing Aldridge for not being clutch when, if called properly, that was one of the biggest clutch defensive plays I have seen in a long time. That is why the noise in the arena was at maddening heights and why people could barely bring themselves to cheer in overtime. That sense of loss was palpable in the Rose Garden, not loss of the game (which most of us figured was the case since it went to OT) but loss of a great moment in ‘the game’.

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by PDXBuckeye on Feb 8, 2012 2:37 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

And don't forget Sean Elliot's Memorial Day Miracle shot...

Thank you, Dave. You have captured the importance of the moment in a way that I sort of felt, but didn’t fully comprehend. Let’s be confident that this was not LA’s only shot at this moment – that he has equal or bigger moments yet to come.

LA will lead us into the 2nd Round.

by HiPo Steve on Feb 7, 2012 10:43 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Out of here, fiend!

Curse you for mentioning that infernal shot.

:)

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by EngineerScotty on Feb 7, 2012 10:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah thanks, I have been trying to forget that for years!

I was almost there & you had to remind me. THANKS ALOT!

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by We-B-Dunkin on Feb 8, 2012 9:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Every time they pan By Sean at Spurs games,

I remember that moment. Haunting.

My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.

by OCBlazerFan1 on Feb 8, 2012 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

In terms of LMA's rep...

…I’m not sure this will hurt as much.

The play still got plenty of coverage.

The NBA agreed the call was bad.

And you have to ask, indeed it should be shouted from the rooftops:

Ignore the bad call, and consider the play as it should have been. Could Griffin or Love (or Dirk or Stoudemire) have made that play? Could any of these switched onto Durant one-on-one on the perimter, tracked his drive, and stuffed the ball in his face?

I think we know the answer to that one.

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by EngineerScotty on Feb 7, 2012 10:43 PM PST reply actions  

Problem is, while everyone knows it was a block,

it won’t go down as a game-winning block. That status was taken away from him by Scott Foster. It won’t hurt him, but like Dave said, if it had not been whistled, that goes down as a great game-changing defensive moment in Aldridge’s career against a rival in the NW division. A team most people have pegged making it to the WCF, a team the Blazers grew up with at the same time with two stars. The Thunder achieved while the Blazers meddled, this year though, the Blazers seemed poised early on to match the Thunder blow-for-blow in the western conference race. Instead of being up 2-0 on them this season, we sit at 1-1, instead of picking our heads up and looking at the bright side, really, we’re left wondering why we keep losing. The discussion changed dramatically with that call. That’s the point. We know he can do it, but statistically, it didn’t happen, we’re sitting here discussing the call instead of the win. The wins are what matters, during the season.

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by richardb on Feb 7, 2012 10:53 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Besides, it's a regular season game

No legacy is made on regular season games, particularly single plays of regular season games, unless they really are something truly unique and iconic, like 81 points, or D-Rob and Hakeem notching quadruple doubles. I guarantee no one but even die hard Blazer fans at this point remembers Travis Outlaw’s game winner against Memphis, and while people outside of Portland may remember Brandon’s shot against Houston if you reminded them, it’s hardly iconic the way that his 4th quarter against Dallas, his comeback against Phoenix, or his 42 against Houston were. I wasn’t alive for one, or basketball conscious for the other, but it’s telling that Dave’s two examples that didn’t happen in the past two weeks (Kareem/Walton and Drexler/Laimbeer) were both in playoff games, although correct me if I’m wrong there.

And furthermore, he had two exactly similar plays to LA’s that were called cleanly, shutting down and eventually blocking both Carmelo Anthony and Joe Johnson on the last plays of wins against Denver and Atlanta, respectively. And no one except the most die hard Blazer fans remember much about those plays.

It was a great play, and we got jobbed on a bad call, no doubt, but the melodrama is a little much. LA will ultimately be defined by what he does or doesn’t do in the playoffs, not a single play in an early season regular season game. I mean, honestly, it’s not like other guys like KG, Robinson, Hakeem, Parish, Shaq, Gasol, Duncan, Barkley, Webber, etc. never made similar game-saving plays to win games in the season, but as people who aren’t fans of their teams, can any of us a single one of them?

by Royster on Feb 7, 2012 11:01 PM PST up reply actions  

"Besides, it's a regular season game"

Somebody gets it.

At best, what happened last night was a poor man’s version of Vinny T’s phantom TD in ’98.

And that’s being generous.

“LA will ultimately be defined by what he does or doesn’t do in the playoffs, not a single play in an early season regular season game.”

This.

And I still think LMA has it in him to pull a Charles Smith in the playoffs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRFKhpMKX0E

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by AK1984 on Feb 7, 2012 11:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think Dave was suggesting this is the defining moment of LA's career, just talking about it in the sense that it would have elevated the discussion of him

in basketball circles, and provided a massive boost of confidence and proof of his value and leadership.

LA has plenty of time to be great again, but this could have been something great and instead it was something lame.

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by Tyler Durrden on Feb 7, 2012 11:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I just don't think the Griffin example and counterfactual are very convincing

Yeah, it was a great dunk, an amazing display of athleticism, but is it going to stand out as anything more than that a year from now? I think that’s a stretch. Heck, it was basically the same thing he did to Mozgov last year and I’d completely forgotten about that until the Perkins dunk happened and they replayed it to compare. Sure, it will now be replayed the next time someone throws down a sick dunk, but it will also be replayed alongside a bunch of other dunks by guys like JR Smith, which isn’t exactly the stuff of legend.

And as far as the “Blake Griffin: two way monster” idea if he’d made the block, that’s even more ridiculous to me. We’ve seen elite one dimensional guys make great defensive plays before (cough Brandon cough), and none of them instantly got plaudits as being complete defensive players, much less started a conversation about their defensive dominance.

by Royster on Feb 7, 2012 11:23 PM PST up reply actions  

You realize that you are making Dave's point ?
Heck, it was basically the same thing he did to Mozgov last year and I’d completely forgotten about that until the Perkins dunk happened and they replayed it to compare

Now …if LMA makes another late game defensive stop ….there is one less past comparison point to add to LMA;s defensive swag….these things are cumulative…Much like Brandon’s late game clutch-i-ness…he didn’t get that rep by making one game winner ….he got it by piling one on top of another.

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by 92wastheyear on Feb 8, 2012 8:59 AM PST up reply actions  

and Blake didn't get his rep with one nasty dunk

it’s about building a portfolio

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by sammymohawk on Feb 8, 2012 9:04 AM PST up reply actions  

With something like "clutchness", though

It’s defined by individual moments in way that defensive greatness isn’t at all. No one defines a great defender by pointing out a single great play the way that we do for clutch plays like Brandon’s, it’s just a completely different beast. Tim Duncan, Bruce Bowen, KG, Shane Battier et al, were all considered all-world defenders in their prime, but I honestly cannot think of a single defining defensive play for any of them.

Maybe the block would add to the “XXX is clutch” narrative, but it certainly doesn’t change the conversation to “XXX is an amazing defender”.

by Royster on Feb 8, 2012 9:18 AM PST up reply actions  

good point

defense is different in that way, but this would still be a helpful reputation builder in that sense for Aldridge, would it not?

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by sammymohawk on Feb 8, 2012 9:25 AM PST up reply actions  

I guess

but even then, my impression is that in two months it would be largely forgotten, just like Amare’s game-saving block on Lebron last year, or Javale Mcgee eating Wesley alive, or even LA blocking JR Smith last year (all from the video AK posted below).

These things (LA’s “block”, Griffin’s dunk) seem much bigger because they’re recent, but amazing plays happen so often in the NBA that they fade pretty quickly from our consciousness.

by Royster on Feb 8, 2012 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep. It is all about building a body of work.

This block would definitely have been a part of that body of work but LMA transcending will require highlight reel plays on a fairly consistent basis and especially in playoff games. Sucks this one got taken away from him (and us dammit!) but I don’t think it is as overwhelmingly tragic as Dave paints it to be.

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by Vorlauf on Feb 8, 2012 9:39 AM PST up reply actions  

I think it's more...he's a game WINNER.

If that block had lead to the Blazers winning…and it was against the TOP TEAM IN THE WEST…and DURANT….

so it had more significance than “oh what a great block”….it would have probably been a building block for the entire team.

by Natsthecat on Feb 8, 2012 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

"but I honestly cannot think of a single defining defensive play for any of them."

Yeah, the only individual defensive plays from those guys that I can think of off the top of my head is Bruce Bowen kicking people.

And that’s nothing to be proud of, either.

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by AK1984 on Feb 8, 2012 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

I highly, highly doubt that it would've changed the narrative.

Also, if the blocked was called correctly and the Blazers had won, the national media would’ve just chalked it up to Portland winning a close regular game at home and ignored it. If anything, the botched call made it a more notable contest among non-Blazer NBA fans.

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by AK1984 on Feb 7, 2012 11:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I think it would have been a nice appetizer for his being named to the all-star team this year

and when that announcement comes, he will be discussed in terms of being snubbed last year, and losing a tough game by a bad call earlier this week, but he’s quietly become a very high quality player. That’s the current narrative, except now there is another bad judgement call that his name is spoken of in the same breath with.

If the call hadn’t have been made, he would have gotten announced as an all-star and they could have pointed to that block and his 39 points as validation for why he’s on the team and how he’s a star on the rise.

I totally think there’s a difference but that’s just one man’s opinion.

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by Tyler Durrden on Feb 7, 2012 11:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Crazy timing on the posts.

Hmm, I expect the 39 points would’ve been pointed to before the blocked shot at the end.

For a blocked shot to get national recognition, it has to be something remarkably special. While that one was nice, it wasn’t a memory maker.

By the way, how many of these stick in your mind?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNMuYCywQnY&feature=fvst

My guess is not many, since most people forget individual blocks soon after they happen.

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by AK1984 on Feb 7, 2012 11:34 PM PST up reply actions  

it would have been the icing on the cake AK, a cherry on top of an otherwise superb offensive game

it would have been evidence of his solid play on both ends of the floor. It’d absolutely come after the 39 points, but that’s how it came in the game anyways. Maybe you’re right and it’s relatively meaningless, I just don’t agree.

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by Tyler Durrden on Feb 7, 2012 11:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I think in this case the game last night was a moment

and the call that took that block away changed what that moment meant

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by Tyler Durrden on Feb 7, 2012 11:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Even then, I doubt a win would've been a season-defining moment for ...

Portland. Beating OKC would’ve been nice from a team perspective; yet, it wouldn’t change the current narrative, which is how Portland is viewed as one-and-done fodder by the national media due to its consecutive playoff failings in 2009, 2010, and 2011.

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by AK1984 on Feb 8, 2012 12:10 AM PST up reply actions  

You're kind of moving the goalpost here

The post was talking about a moment for the individual more than the team. My talking about the narrative being different based on that call is not so much the Blazers v the thunder as much as it was LA vs the thunder or LA vs Durant, or LA vs the media that doesn’t talk about him as much as they should.

To me a win lastnight and the All-star announcement would have added to LA’s confidence, it would have been a badge of honor but instead his outstanding effort and execution ended up not getting him anywhere because with a whistle his play didn’t matter.

Sure he’ll have other times, but lastnight would have been a nice victory to have. You go up against the best in the west and pass the test. That means something.

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by Tyler Durrden on Feb 8, 2012 12:37 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

If it's strictly about LMA, the All-Star Game nod means a whole ...

lot more than the blocked shot that was taken away from him.

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by AK1984 on Feb 8, 2012 12:42 AM PST up reply actions  

the story isn't really the 39 poitns

it’s the terrible shooting in the 4th and overtime and the pass to kurt thomas at the end of the game instead of a shot. the 39 is good but… the guy isn’t a winner, is what the story seems like. if that block counts, the story becomes about how he does what it takes to win, no matter his and the team’s struggles. he shrugs off bad late game offense by making a great play against one of the best in the league. maybe it’s not a career defining moment, but it’s a great memory and a major highlight on his career reel that shows that he’s not a one-way player. people look at him and say he’s not clutch, but that was a clutch defensive play. something few stars make. it’s not a big deal, but it should have been so much more than it is now.

by permaswoon on Feb 8, 2012 1:53 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

"the guy isn’t a winner, is what the story seems like. "

That’s not the story, either.

The story is simply that Portland got jobbed against OKC in a regular season contest by a bad call.

Honestly, LMA is a non-story here. There’s no story — good or bad — about him to be told regarding this single game.

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by AK1984 on Feb 8, 2012 2:00 AM PST up reply actions  

but there should be

a good story about how LMA not only carried us over the Thunder, who aside from their record get loads of national attention anyway, but how he sealed the deal by blocking none other than Kevin Durant, arguably the NBA’s best scorer.

I think that the focus is too singluar in this debate. It’s about Aldridge building a portfolio of defining plays and about him being recognized nationally as the game’s premier young two-way PF.

This doesn’t kill that by any means, but to say that it wouldn’t have helped at all doesn’t make sense to me either. Status quo…putt putt putt along Aldridge and the Blazers.

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by sammymohawk on Feb 8, 2012 9:03 AM PST up reply actions  

that's exactly what I'm trying to say too

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by Tyler Durrden on Feb 8, 2012 9:37 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah this

there’s no story because it was erased and overwritten by a bad call.

by poorwebguy on Feb 8, 2012 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Incidentally, that list has a perfect example

of what I’m talking about with the Griffin counterfactual. Absolutely no one was talking about Amare being a great defensive player after his game saving block on Lebron (I’d honestly forgotten about it), aside from a few asides about how he can block shots when he tries.

Mcgee’s block on Wes is simply filthy, though, and a good example of the fleetingness of these “moments”. I can’t remember seeing anything remotely like it and I saw it in real time, and I still had completely forgotten about it before just now.

by Royster on Feb 7, 2012 11:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, JaVale McGee's block is the closest thing to a singular moment from a ...

blocked shot in recent times. However, it doesn’t stick in my mind and only comes back when brought up by someone else or seen in an old highlight clip.

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by AK1984 on Feb 8, 2012 12:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Nate Roninson blocking on the other hand,will always stick in my memory.

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by We-B-Dunkin on Feb 8, 2012 9:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Oops,Yao Ming ^

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by We-B-Dunkin on Feb 8, 2012 9:24 AM PST up reply actions  

because amar'e sucks on the defensive end

even a broken clock is right twice a day and that’s all that is. lamarcus is a good defender and put up 39 on the thunder in a pretty stellar offesive night. in the game you’re referencing, amar’e had 16 to lebron’s 27. lamarcus out-dueled durant on both ends of the court and that should be the narrative we’re discussing

by permaswoon on Feb 8, 2012 1:59 AM PST up reply actions  

"lamarcus out-dueled durant on both ends of the court and that should be the narrative we’re discussing"

Does that captivate NBA fans in places like New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Dallas, Boston, or Miami?

No.

Ergo, it’s not a narrative.

Here, by the way, are the two narratives:

1. Portland got jobbed by a bad call against OKC. That, however, was only one game, as well as has been chewed up and spit out by yesterday’s news cycle.

2. For LMA, he’ll soon be named an All-Star. That’ll boost his cred nationally, more so than a single game with 39 points and crunch-time block incorrectly ruled a goaltend by the refs.

Most everyone located outside of Portland and OKC — which are two insular NBA communities — has already forgot about Monday night’s game, as they should.

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by AK1984 on Feb 8, 2012 2:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Does that captivate NBA fans in places like New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Dallas, Boston, or Miami?

In my opinion it doesn’t have to. Not for it to be a notch in Aldridge’s belt and for it to be another baby step towards stardom. It’s still a significant play that Aldridge will not get the credit he deserves for. Maybe the consequences aren’t as significant and far reaching as Dave makes them out to be, but there are negatives when it should be all positive.

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by sammymohawk on Feb 8, 2012 9:08 AM PST up reply actions  

You weren't in the arena

20,000 fans would disagree with you

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by tssbro on Feb 7, 2012 11:51 PM PST up reply actions  

And a majority of the NBA fan base would disagree with those 20,000 or so.

Real moments transcend a single team’s fan base and enamor a large portion of the entire sports viewing audience.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Feb 8, 2012 12:15 AM PST up reply actions  

still a real moment to those 20k fans though

trying to quantify and categorize something against it’s own nature imo. It may not have been a world encompassing moment but it will be one of many moments that define Aldridge in the minds of a group of fans. They will form conclusions based on those moments and the feelings they created at the time.

People can’t really help it and when you talk about moments you’re talking about stretches of time that stir people. We can say it’s not a moment because you’ve experienced greater and the rest of the world doesn’t care but it doesn’t change the definition for others that consider it special.

Also, Aldridge has a lot of catching up to do. Needs all the help he can get.

by poorwebguy on Feb 8, 2012 12:31 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

*block*

The spelling error is my mistake, sorry.

Regardless, there was no narrative-changing moment to be made last night. Did Portland get jobbed out of a single regular-season victory? Yes, but getting jobbed like that did more for the Trail Blazers recognition nationally than a cleanly called finish would’ve done for the narrative surrounding LMA. For LMA, him earning a trip the NBA All-Star Game this year will do more for his narrative than anything related to last night’s game at home versus OKC.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Feb 7, 2012 11:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Again completely neglecting the possibility that James Harden uses the 5 seconds remaining to hit a 3 for the win, that level of storyline after two games would likely have been bandied about, but I don’t really think that has much effect. Its two games. Chicago’s wins over Miami in the regular season didn’t end up meaning much in the playoffs last year. I just don’t see much importance in these narratives at all.

by jksnake99 on Feb 7, 2012 11:53 PM PST up reply actions  

While I agree that Hardin had plenty of time to get a shot off

There are numerous other things that could have prevented him from getting the shot off, and there would have been no guarantee it would have gone in had he taken one.

The refs gave the thunder the easiest points possible lastnight, as goaltending can in the right circumstances be called on shots that left un impeded, would have zero chance of going in.

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by Tyler Durrden on Feb 8, 2012 12:03 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I think the odds are extremely high he’d have gotten a shot off, but its true that the probability is well over 50% he’d have missed.

I understand people find this annoying about me, but I don’t like to say the call cost Portland the game when in reality it took their odds of winning from “high but not 100%” to “somewhat above 50%.”

At no point have I said the call wasn’t both terrible and significant in terms of changing win probabilities.

by jksnake99 on Feb 8, 2012 12:07 AM PST up reply actions  

It's true that they mean nothing

in the absence of talent, skill, or real game. You can’t narrate Stephon Marbury into an all-time great. However given an appropriate level of talent, narratives just like this are what allow Jordan to travel and push off on offense, Shaq to clear opponents out with his forearm before dunking, Stockton and Malone to elbow the crap out of people on picks, players with strong defensive reputations to put their hands all over dribblers, players with strong shot-blocking reputations to occasionally get the wrist or goaltend and still get the block called good. It doesn’t happen overnight, usually not with a single incident. It’s built over time. But the opportunity to erect one of those building blocks is rare, especially for players that don’t come with pre-made hype like a Shaq. One of those opportunities was taken away, reversed. One of those building blocks had to go back in the toybox. It’s not the end of the world, but it is something.

Also you keep saying the Harden three thing and I hear you. But most shots miss. Three-pointers miss more than most shots. Last-second heaved three-pointers miss more than most three-pointers. Nobody can predict the future or an alternate past but if you’re going to bet, you’d bet that shot misses and the Blazers win. Those are the odds.

—Dave

by Dave on Feb 8, 2012 12:07 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

"it would have changed the narrative between these two teams"

But would people in Los Angeles, Chicago, Boston, Dallas, New York, or Miami care about that?

Nope, which is why it wouldn’t’ve been a moment. To affect the narrative, something spectacular enough must happen to sway a large percentage of the NBA’s entire fan base. Nothing of that magnitude was in play last night, sorry.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Feb 7, 2012 11:55 PM PST up reply actions  

well maybe the Blazers just have to make sure they get out of the first round

this year. And if they don’t…Mike Budenholzer…or another Spurs asst. coach…wouldn’t mind seeing that change.

by Natsthecat on Feb 8, 2012 12:00 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't understand why

The five big cities you list must be concerned about something in order for it to be considered a narrative? How often will those five cities EVER care about something in Portland, OR? I am honestly asking.

BBS

by BringBackSabonis on Feb 8, 2012 7:00 AM PST up reply actions  

People across the country cared about Portland when it was a contender ...

during the early-’90s and at the turn of the century.

Likewise, national attention was given to Portland and Seattle when it finished 1st and 2nd, respectively, in the 2007 NBA Draft lottery. National attention was even given to the Blazers throughout its 13-game winning streak in December of 2007, although that success was fleeting.

Right now, though, the national narrative is the Blazers are simply first-round playoff fodder. There’s only one way to change that, too, and that’s by winning a playoff series this year. Until then, that’s the narrative and, well, it’s a boring one. That’s why almost everyone outside the insular community of Portland is apathetic toward the Blazers. For all intents and purposes, they’re a non-story.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Feb 8, 2012 9:06 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree with that

but the same narrative does not apply to LMA as an individual.

Aldridge blocking Durant to seal a game is significant if for no other reason than how Durant is thought of in the markets you mention.

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 8, 2012 9:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Check out this confirmation

This is the very first line of the recap from last nights Thunder/Warriors game

Kevin Durant is starting to form a collection of game-winning shots.

They would not be able to spin it this way without his supposed game winning “dunk with 2.9 seconds left in an overtime victory Monday night at Portland.”

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Feb 8, 2012 9:18 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah, pretty stupid

they want so bad to label him clutch

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 8, 2012 9:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh yeah

but refs are never ever influenced by media or league’s hype machine …so that is good

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Feb 8, 2012 9:29 AM PST up reply actions  

no doubt, if there's one thing you can count on in the NBA

it’s unbiased, high-integrity officiating with no agenda

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 8, 2012 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Figure out way to brand LMA and promote his game to ...

the general public for mass consumption. That’d quell your guys’ anger, right?

If anyone can package Aldridge in a way that’s palatable for the likes of John Doe in Indiana, Joe Schmoe in Milwaukee, and Jim Bob Jones in Charlotte, then more power to them.

While y’all are at it, I assume Tim Duncan would like some help in that department. Even at age 35 and with 4 rings on his fingers, he still isn’t marketable on a large scale. A few ads here and there, but nothing big. Certainly not as big as his game, which is that of an all-time great; a living legend.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Feb 8, 2012 9:45 AM PST up reply actions  

and he's widely recognized as one of the greatest bigs to ever play

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 8, 2012 9:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Right, but rarely do people talk about him.

It’s one reason why I really want Duncan to snag a 5th NBA Finals victory, since it’d cement his legacy even further.

Although people respect Duncan, they don’t seem to acknowledge it enough. As a cross-sports example, Duncan doesn’t get the living legend love that Derek Jeter receives from the media.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Feb 8, 2012 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Taking Jeter out of it, Tim Duncan is far less ...

discussed than Peyton Manning. Clearly, Peyton is a hot topic due to his impending release — as well as because of his brother’s Super Bowl run — however, I doubt Duncan will get the same air time when he either retires or plays out his final year(s) in a city other than San Antonio.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Feb 8, 2012 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

The NFL is more talked about in general

that really doesn’t mean much to me

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Feb 8, 2012 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

true

the NFL is king aspect certainly plays here.

Summer after summer of Brett Favre manufactured drama and non news confirms that.

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 8, 2012 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

that's because the media is stupid

Look no further than the joke that has become the news media, much less sports.

Attention spans are shorter than ever, desire to garner attention is higher than ever, money drives everything.

That’s a good example though. Although Peyton’s situation is pretty interesting. I think Tim suffers from being the blandest and most consistent brand of awesome.

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 8, 2012 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

"Look no further than the joke that has become the news media"

That I agree with completely.

When The Daily Show on Comedy Central does a far better job covering politics than the specialized cable news networks — whether it’s Fox News, CNN, or MSNBC — there’s clearly a problem.

No easy fix, either, which is scary, scary stuff.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Feb 8, 2012 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

it's sad to have to turn to the Daily Show

to restore and maintain my sanity, but that’s where we’re at as a society

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 8, 2012 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

San Antonio will never trade Duncan.

Loud pipes save lives!
Bad knees break hearts!
Time for an exorcism.

by We-B-Dunkin on Feb 8, 2012 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

No, but Duncan could play out his career ...

elsewhere in a few years. Think of Hakeem Olajuwon as a Raptor, which is one of many examples.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Feb 8, 2012 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

I think Duncan will retire a Spur, probably at the end of his current contract.

Just my opinion & I could be wrong but from interviews i’ve seen TD & coach Pop. will go out together.

Loud pipes save lives!
Bad knees break hearts!
Time for an exorcism.

by We-B-Dunkin on Feb 8, 2012 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

I, too, hope that Tim Duncan retires a Spur.

It’s just that anything is possible. In a couple of years, Duncan could be on the Heat, Jeter could be a Met, and Tom Brady could go take over for Petyon as QB of the Redskins.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Feb 8, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Go Skins

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 8, 2012 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

LOL, classic AK!

I love it.

Loud pipes save lives!
Bad knees break hearts!
Time for an exorcism.

by We-B-Dunkin on Feb 8, 2012 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

I might actually cry if Brady does that

Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!

by HailOden! on Feb 8, 2012 3:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Tim Duncan the basketball player

in my eyes, is superior to Derek Jeter the baseball player.

Also, if Timmy had spent his career in NY instead of SA, who knows? He might be viewed with a similar reverance that Jeter gets.

He’ll likely never get the credit he deserves on a widely acknowledged scale, but there are those that carry his flag well.

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 8, 2012 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

"Tim Duncan the basketball player in my eyes, is superior to Derek Jeter the baseball player."

I 100% agree.

Hell, I 110% agree.

“He’ll likely never get the credit he deserves on a widely acknowledged scale, but there are those that carry his flag well.”

Ah, there’s the kicker. Duncan, much to our dismay, doesn’t get the acknowledgement that the overhyped, overrated Derek Jeter is given, as the big guy doesn’t interest a large enough portion of America’s sports viewing audience.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Feb 8, 2012 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

unfortunately for tim he reached his zenith as a player at the same time the NBA hit its nadir as a league.

i keep dancing on my own.

by atomiccafe on Feb 8, 2012 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Is that more because of Duncan vs. Jeter?

or is that more because of SA vs. NY?

Gotta be SA vs. NY right?

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 8, 2012 10:19 AM PST up reply actions  

A little of column A, and a little of column B

the NY/SA thing no doubt carries a lot of weight, but Jeter is really also just more suited to being a celebrity, even if he’s a little understated about it. He may not be constantly in the media a la Lebron, but we’re still talking about a guy who dated Mariah Carey at the peak of her career along with multiple other celebrities through the years.

Even if he’d been in NY his entire career, I just get the impression that Duncan is simply much more low-key.

by Royster on Feb 8, 2012 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Also baseball is much more location driven than hoops, in basketball the best/most marketable player was in Cleveland but the Cavs were still a huge deal. Pujols being in St. Louis meant he has very little marketing swing (nobody watched the last WS).

i keep dancing on my own.

by atomiccafe on Feb 8, 2012 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

St. Louis is such a weird baseball market.

Although it’s a mid-market city, the Cardinals long, storied history gives it some cachet. If I compared St. Louis as a baseball town to an NBA city, it’d be none. I can’t think of one.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Feb 8, 2012 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Indiana?

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 8, 2012 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

St Louis is ranked 21 in TV markets

Portland is 22 ….not saying anything about the perception differences …just find it interesting

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Feb 8, 2012 10:34 AM PST up reply actions  

That's tough.

With Jeter v. Duncan, I think NY has a lot to do with it. Nobody would care about Jeter if, oh, he and Chipper Jones had been drafted by different teams in the early ’90s.

With Peyton v. Duncan, I think a lot of it has to do with the popularity of the NFL compared to the NBA.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Feb 8, 2012 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

National acknowedgement is for style, not substance...

Jeter cemented his with his early fly-into-the-seats catch. Duncan, whom I love and admire, has no such defining moment. His greatness is based on what? His fundamental play. Regardless of what he accomplishes, the general public is far more impressed by style. Look at poor defense/poor foul shooting Blake Griffin being voted All Star STARTER!!

by HiPo Steve on Feb 8, 2012 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Tim Duncan was very talked about in the days where the Spurs were winning championships

they aren’t talked about as much now because the last few years they’ve been injury rattled and getting older, and haven’t been as relevant. Players on the downward slope don’t and shouldn’t get as much run as guys on the rise. Tim Duncan is a HOF’r but he hasn’t been as dominant a player the last few years as the early 2000’s

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by Tyler Durrden on Feb 8, 2012 10:14 AM PST up reply actions  

When did Peyton last win a Super Bowl?

February of 2007.

When did Duncan last win a NBA Finals?

June of 2007.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Feb 8, 2012 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Peyton was in the Super Bowl

Year before last

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Feb 8, 2012 10:20 AM PST up reply actions  

and lost in the first round

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by Tyler Durrden on Feb 8, 2012 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Despite all of its recent first-round exits, ...

Brady, Belichick, and the Patriots were talked up all season long. The Pats even got off the schnide finally. But alas, it was to no avail in the Super Bowl.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Feb 8, 2012 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

and a few years back had a nearly perfect season

but it doesn’t matter how much the media talked about them as far as the outcome of the game, those two things are independent.

Maybe if the media could have caught the ball for them it would be a different story, :P

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by Tyler Durrden on Feb 8, 2012 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, but if the Spurs ever had two young bballers

that played on a level similar to Gronk and Welker to go with a Duncan who was still capable of playing at a level that put him in, at worst, the top 4 players at his position, the Spurs would also have been talked about. In fact, they were even preseason favorites two years ago when they added R-Jeff, et al.

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Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!

by HailOden! on Feb 8, 2012 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Since when does a loss in the Super Bowl equate to a first round exit?

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Feb 8, 2012 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

so he hasn't struggled at times since then?

he hasn’t looked pretty hobbled at times?

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by Tyler Durrden on Feb 8, 2012 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Rarely do casual fans care about a single blocked shot, unless it's ...

something ridiculous (e.g., JaVale McGee’s block and grab on Wesley Matthews). Look no further than Amar’e Stoudemire’s game-clinching block on LeBron James last season, which was pretty much forgotten about the next day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WUIzYxMFaU

There’s not a narrative there to sell. From an non-Portland perspective, there’s nothing to hype. Additionally, most casual NBA fans here, there, and everywhere are apathetic toward such defensive plays—no matter the name’s involved. Amar’e & LeBron? Blah. Aldridge & Durant? Blah.

I’m sorry, man, but there isn’t a narrative. If there was a narrative, we’d hear about. For example, I abhor the cult of Tim Tebow … detest it with a fiery passion. Yet, despite my disdain toward that bum Tebow, I can’t deny that there’s a narrative there to push and the media will milk that cow for all it’s worth.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Feb 8, 2012 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Amare's narrative was set in stone before that block

nothing was going to make him viewed as an elite or clutch defender. Same for most of the players you mention.

But Aldridge? Who knows what to make of Aldridge? And that’s in Portland, let alone nationally.

We can’t make heads or tails of the guy with the way he’s blossomed in the last season and a 1/3. Is he good enough to build around? How good can he be? Is he a big time playmaker against the NBA’s best in crunch time?

His narrative is still being written and molded and influenced. You may disregard this play entirely but it would have factored in. What I am saying and what Dave is saying is that there are negative ramifications to the story being about the call and not the play. Your opinion is that those ramifications are negligible. Fine.

I’m sorry, man, but there isn’t a narrative.

Narrative, image, perception, legacy, whatever…Aldridge’s is being formed on a near daily basis with how quickly and strongly he’s burst onto the scene. I agree with you that the all-star selection will do far more for him than this block would have, but I want it all because he made the play and deserves to add that to his portfolio as well.

Lamarcus probably won’t hit many game-winners like BRoy because he’s not a guard and because BRoy was phenomenal in that respect, so plays like this, game determining plays against the best of competition, in my opinion, do matter a little bit.

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 8, 2012 9:44 AM PST up reply actions  

"Who knows what to make of Aldridge?"

I don’t know. Honestly, what I make of LMA is that he’s a boring personality.

A good — even great — yet boring player who doesn’t appeal to markets outside of Portland.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Feb 8, 2012 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

"Your opinion is that those ramifications are negligible."

It’s an opinion in name only. While it can’t be verified, I’d bet my bottom dollar that no national narrative would’ve been formed if LMA’s game-clinching block had played out cleanly.

On the other hand, though, LMA’s upcoming appearance in the All-Star Game could boost his national appeal. That remains to be seen and I sincerely doubt anything will come out of it — as I expect a bland, forgettable performance — but it’s nevertheless in play.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Feb 8, 2012 9:55 AM PST up reply actions  

you're substituting the requirement for a national narrative

for a play that would simply help mold who he is and how he is thought of as a player. And if he continues to own Durant and we continue to beat the Thunder? Then you do have a national narrative. This would have been a step in the process of that narrative developing, similar to how one win at home over the Lakers didn’t by itself create the narrative that they can’t win in Portland. Instead the season series is 1-1, Durant won the game in OT and scored 33, and now he’s putting together a “string of game winning shots.” The portayal of these things don’t reflect the reality of the situations and you know that, but with that call the media had all the opportunity they needed to make this about who they wanted to. Otherwise they would have been forced to make it about Aldridge.

Also, from a personality standpoint LMA is no less boring than Blake Griffin or Tim Duncan, and to the casual fan he’s probably less boring on the court than Timmy as well.

I agree that the all-star appearance will do far more for him than this block would have, but he made the play and he deserves the credit, even if it would ultimately be only a very small trophy in the trophy case that will be his legacy as a player.

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 8, 2012 10:04 AM PST up reply actions  

I think the sportscenter recap would have been all about LA taking down durant and the thunder that night

I absolutely disagree.

They would have framed it as the second meeting between these young teams, with LA a lock to go to his first all-star game this year, and how he has taken the reigns from Roy and proving himself to be a new leader for the team. I do think it would have changed the narrative, and it would have been at a perfect time, right before he gets his all-star bid. It could have started a buzz about him that would likely resonate until the all-star game.

And as far as his personality is concerned so what if he’s not exciting? His off-court persona should not be the only thing that merits recognition, in fact Tim Duncan is the perfect example. LA should be recognized for his play on the court, not for how well he sells cars or cell phones. If he can come out and light up guys on both ends of the floor, and help his team win shouldn’t that be enough for sports fans and media to talk about him? If it’s not than I guess we should only care about 4-5 guys in the game of basketball. DWade, DHoward, BGriffin, Kobe and Lebron. No matter how well other guys play they don’t have the personality to merit recognition.

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by Tyler Durrden on Feb 8, 2012 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Sportscenter would've just glossed over the game.

Nothing more would’ve been discussed after the recap.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Feb 8, 2012 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

well we'll never know now

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by Tyler Durrden on Feb 8, 2012 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Granted I am not a dedicated SC viewer

but I do watch from time to time. I never see Blazer love no matter what is going on.

"Luke is our go-to Chalupa man," Matthews said. "Designated."

by Vorlauf on Feb 8, 2012 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

we were starting to get some attention at the start of this season, with our good record early on

maybe you’re right, but at this point we’re all left speculating about something that never happened.

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by Tyler Durrden on Feb 8, 2012 10:43 AM PST up reply actions  

step back for a moment from the media and public perception and put this simply in terms of LA having a great game against the thunder and Durant.

Have you ever been in a competitive situation where a winner and loser were decided not based on the skill, effort, and direct comparison of statistical numbers but rather based on a poorly made judgement call?

There is a feeling you get from trying your hardest and winning, that does not come from trying your best and losing. And when the loss is because of something completely out of your control it becomes even more frustrating. All of the sudden, what should have been a wonderful moment for you just got taken away.

I know you’ll likely downplay this or say he’s a pro and it shouldn’t matter, or it didn’t mean anything to anyone else that matters so what’s the big deal, but it probably meant something to LA. For him it should have been a moment of achievement, that came at the end of a great game. Something that could have added to his confidence, but when an official takes away that achievement with a bad call the one’s being rewarded with the confidence and the moment are those who did benefit from the bad call. For the team it would have been “We faced the top team in the west twice this year, and both times we won”, that’s swagger inducing info right there, but instead they have to settle for, “The league wants the thunder to win, and superstars get all the calls.”

If you try your hardest and fail on your own merit that is a much better feeling than trying your hardest and failing because of someone else’ judgement. And winning based on your own effort and merit is infinitely better than either one of those.

I don't give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way.
Mark Twain

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by Tyler Durrden on Feb 8, 2012 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Additionally ...he can't even ackowledge it either
…but it probably meant something to LA. For him it should have been a moment of achievement, that came at the end of a great game.

He is basically required to shrug it off. He can’t say “The @#%#^ ref is bat-#$$% crazy….I blocked that!!”

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Feb 8, 2012 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Actually, LMA cussing out the referees in a post-game ...

interview would’ve been a shrewd move on his part. Even if he got hit with a five-figure fine, it’d’ve been worth it. Might’ve made himself look like a heated competitor, which sells.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Feb 8, 2012 10:43 AM PST up reply actions  

It gets Cuban in the headlines!

"Luke is our go-to Chalupa man," Matthews said. "Designated."

by Vorlauf on Feb 8, 2012 10:45 AM PST up reply actions  

it seems like you're saying that as long as his personality is not marketable

or his PR people can’t figure out how to sell him, his play on the court does not deserve recognition. I personally think KD’s personality is pretty flat too, but it didn’t stop the media machine even before they were winning playoff series.

Now KLove gets constant run while playing on a losing team and not having a huge marketable personality, he gets recognized for his numbers. LA doesn’t get recognized for his numbers and for helping his team win even when he puts up excellent numbers against elite competition.

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by Tyler Durrden on Feb 8, 2012 10:48 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

"his play on the court does not deserve recognition"

I believe athletes deserve recognition based on the merit of their production. That’s why I brought up Tim Duncan.

However, what a guy deserves and what he gets are two different things.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Feb 8, 2012 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

So AK do you think most of the lack of narrative is due

to size of the city for which the player plays in or personality? Would Kobe be as reviled and/or loved if he played in SA? Would Duncan be more loved (and consequently more marketable) if he played in NY? Or is the personality the dictating factor of marketability? Because obviously, winning isn’t the only key or Duncan would be more respected. Are most Portlanders beating their heads against the wall trying to develop a meaningful narrative (LMA too), when most likely the small market of Portland is prohibitive of this ever happening?

BBS

by BringBackSabonis on Feb 8, 2012 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

it comes to a few factors

(1) highlight plays

(2) personalities (this can be driven by college stardom and other things)

(3) intra-team drama (Kobe and LeBron have had this in spades, Duncan has not)

(4) perceived personal rivalries

(5) perceived late game heroics

(6) playoff success

(7) big market

(8) production

that’s in no particular order, but LaMarcus has only the last one. I anticipate Blake Griffin has LaMarcus beat on pretty much all of these scores except playoff success where they are tied and maybe late game heroics (again tied). Watching the Clips and the Timberwolves, Love and Blake appear to get into it pretty good so the NBA will start to peddle that as a “rivalry.”

i keep dancing on my own.

by atomiccafe on Feb 8, 2012 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

LMA's had some pretty nasty dunks

though not as frequently as Blake has.

Also, I think the narrative of a rivalry between two Texas boys on two division rivals develops further if that call isn’t made.

We just need LMA to dominate a playoff series and take us to the second round, that will do wonders for him

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 8, 2012 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah, though LaMarcus has a long ways to go on e the “perceived 4th quarter heroics” category. When’s the last time he traded blows with another star in crunch time?

i keep dancing on my own.

by atomiccafe on Feb 8, 2012 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

we need a legit perimeter player to pair with him

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 8, 2012 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

well duh

i keep dancing on my own.

by atomiccafe on Feb 8, 2012 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

before we've talked about strip it down

complete rebuild, etc…

I’m ready to go all in on a DWill and see what a pairing like that can accomplish.

Preferably keep Nic.

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 8, 2012 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Winning a playoff series or two this year would go a ...

long way in establishing LaMarcus Aldridge’s presence on a national stage. It’d also create separation between him and Portland’s former semi-star, Brandon Roy, who never got over that hump.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Feb 8, 2012 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Fairly good summary

but I’d say there’s another factor somewhere that I’m having a hard time enunciating. There definitely is a clear bias to novelty, or instant success. Part of the reason Blake Griffin became big is that the second he got on the court, he was pretty much “Blake Griffin”, same with guys like CP3, Rose, Lebron, Melo, Wade, Duncan, Hakeem, Shaq, Robinson, and AI.

Obviously, this isn’t a necessary condition given the success of somewhat later bloomers like Bosh, Howard, Dirk, and KG, but I still think it helps.

Witness the saga of Brandon Jennings as an example. He had some hype as a novelty coming from Italy as a rookie, then exploded with his 50 point game instantly and got a ton of hype, which slowly faded as he added a couple years of mediocrity. Of course, now that he’s actually playing at close to an all star level, no one cares.

by Royster on Feb 8, 2012 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

I think that's a good point

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by Tyler Durrden on Feb 8, 2012 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

So 2, 3, and 4 may be unlikely to develop for LMA

Due to his ‘subdued’ personality. 7 isn’t possible in Portland. So his legacy will live and die on playoff success, late game heroics, and production. But even then, those are exactly the same things that Duncan already has going for him and we know he doesn’t have the same level of a narrative as Kobe, Lebron, et al. So it seems to me that personality is a key component in whether or not a star player can become truly transcendent. Because if Timmy (not to be confused with Timmay!) can win 4 world championships and still be somewhat under the radar, I think LMA may have a hard time reaching the status of the truly elite narrative.

BBS

by BringBackSabonis on Feb 8, 2012 10:52 AM PST up reply actions  

I think Duncan's lack of a "rivalry"

is more due to the flux of the conference throughout his career than anything about his personality. They mostly lost to Shaq and the Lakers early in his career (outside of the title), but that matchup was much more about Shaq/Robinson than Duncan/Shaq, and then he spent the mid part of the decade alternating against playing Dirk and Amare, but neither of those guys really had the same cachet of Duncan, like Bird opposite Magic, or Wilt opposite Russell.

If we spend the next half decade engaged in memorable playoff matchups between LaMarcus and Griffin/Love/Bosh/whoever, that would absolutely become a part of LA’s legacy.

Duncan’s legacy was also hurt by a couple of strange circumstances. First, he got the “boring” label the second he got to the NBA, which colored perceptions of him throughou his career. Second, the Spurs were really never a truly dominant team. Never repeating is a big strike in a lot of minds, but they also only had a couple seasons where they even won 60 games, and only won a title in one of those seasons, and even that year they were tied with the Mavs for the best record.

And of course, they never had a dominant playoff run to pin their hat on a la the 2001 Lakers.

by Royster on Feb 8, 2012 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

how do you think Griffen and LMA are tied as far as

playoffs go? Yes…Blazers are AWFUL when it comes to getting out of the first round…BUT…have the Clippers even MADE it to the playoffs since Griffen has been there? No..

by Natsthecat on Feb 8, 2012 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

playoff success means success in the playoffs. Which means winning at least one series against a decent team.

i keep dancing on my own.

by atomiccafe on Feb 8, 2012 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Unfortunately...agree.

It seems it would almost be better to not make the playoffs than lose again in the first round.

Who would you recommend to replace the coaching staff…and I mean not just Nate but Osiepka and Bernie. I like Caleb and Buck seems to be doing his job. Osiepka may be even worse than Nate…and figure Bernie is in the same group as he is an old pal of Nate’s…as is Del Negro…..ughhh….

by Natsthecat on Feb 8, 2012 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

can't make it to the second round if you miss the playoffs though

and despite what it feels like, nothing is predetermined about losing in the first round

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 8, 2012 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

So do you think that if the Blazers lose again in the first round or

do not make the playoffs that Nate & co will still be coaching the Blazers?

Maybe Paul Allen will just ask Buchanan to fill in for awhile.

by Natsthecat on Feb 8, 2012 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

to be honest

I have no idea what the plan is. There are any number of directions that this thing could go, and how we fare with the current roster over the next month or two may be a determining factor

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 8, 2012 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

league wide moment or not

it would have been a moment for everyone watching that game.

Dave’s piece points to what I think the sense in the arena was in OT. Loss not of the game, but a great moment in LMA’s career development. Trust me it, it would have come upat a national level if we meet OKC in the playoffs as well.

This might have changed the overall dynamic of the way Blazer fans express their appreciation for Aldridge in arena as well. Over the years players from Rudy to Gerald Wallace have received waves upon waves of love from the fans during games, Aldridge gets little of that.

I am 3 years into being a season ticket holder and was at the last 20 games of the season prior and I have heard Roy, Rudy, Gerald, Camby, Joel, Bayless, Nic Batum, heck eve Trout get their names chanted from the rafters, NEVER Aldridge, the ONLY player that has performed well if not exceptionally well each and every time he takes the floor.

This moment might have been the moment that coaxes in arena fans to show them the love and adoration he deserves…that moment now is just a bitter memory now.

"What and how much had I lost by trying to do only what was expected of me instead of what I myself had wished to do?"
— Ralph Ellison (Invisible Man)

by PDXBuckeye on Feb 8, 2012 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Fair enough, but the OP seems primarily concerned

with this as a potential defining moment for Aldridge himself, or at the very least Aldridge as the leader of an emerging team, which is a tangential point to me. I wouldn’t disagree completely with the whole idea that this changes the narrative of the season, with the caveats pointed out by Jake, but it goes a step too far in my mind to compare it to Clyde and Walton’s defining plays in the later rounds of the playoffs.

by Royster on Feb 7, 2012 11:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I specifically did not do that

I characterized it as lesser than. However you have to give examples of the item in question that everybody can remember and identify with in order to explain the item in question.

—Dave

by Dave on Feb 8, 2012 12:01 AM PST up reply actions  

You're right, I'm being a little unfair

but I think things did get a little muddled by opening with those guys and then immediately transitioning to Blake Griffin examples. Those plays are what stand out for Blake Griffin because that’s all we’ve seen of him. ~100 games, total. What else are we supposed to remember about him?

And if there was not the implication that it was somehow a lesser version of those iconic Blazer moments, why bring them up at all? It’s adding gravitas to the situation that just isn’t there in my eyes.

by Royster on Feb 8, 2012 12:10 AM PST up reply actions  

yes, but

okc knows they dodged a bullet last night, and that the blazers basically beat them. the whistle doesn’t change any of that. durant’s face said it all. that’s all that matters. they know the blazers have their number. and if a blazers team w/ a shoot first ‘pg’ (and poor decision maker) running the show can beat them, what is in store when their rightful set-up man actually starts?

by Sonic Phantom on Feb 8, 2012 12:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Russel Westbrooks face was the one that irked me lastnight

He was barely able to contain his happiness, he knew they got away with one.

Also I haven’t seen this discussed, but I think there was a psychological effect on both teams from that call. The Blazers felt jobbed and frustrated while the Thunder felt like they had a chance given to them and things were going there way.

Certainly we can look at our OT record going into lastnight’s game but I’d have to say this was special circumstances.

Sure these guys are pro’s and should be able to rise above it, but they aren’t robots. I’m sure they were pissed.

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by Tyler Durrden on Feb 8, 2012 12:09 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

man the whole vibe in the arena was abysmal in OT

I felt gutted…OKC jumping around like they did only added to the bitterness…

"What and how much had I lost by trying to do only what was expected of me instead of what I myself had wished to do?"
— Ralph Ellison (Invisible Man)

by PDXBuckeye on Feb 8, 2012 3:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Durant’s face said “wow, I got a break there” not “oh no, that team beat us once and should have beaten us again… whatever will we do!! we’ll never beat them!!”

by jksnake99 on Feb 8, 2012 12:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Bill Simmons does. (In 2008)
Note to Portland fans: You were right, I was wrong. He’s a keeper. Even if he reminds me so much of Charles Smith that I wouldn’t be surprised if they lost a key playoff game some day because LeBron blocked his layup three straight times at the buzzer.-Simmons, April 18, 2008,

The comparison is terrible at this point. Just insanely lazy.

by Nick Van Excellent on Feb 7, 2012 11:21 PM PST up reply actions  

It's not a direct comparison, though.

I strongly believe LMA will have a blunder like that in the playoffs at some point in his career.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Feb 7, 2012 11:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Man, I think with my gut about as much as I do my head.

Heck, that gets me in a whole heap of trouble a lot of times.

That’s why I’d often trust people such as atomic, Jake, Royster, and sometimes even you over myself.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Feb 7, 2012 11:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I know, but I'm being straightforward.

There are plenty of times that I don’t trust myself. In fact, I honestly think most people have far too much faith in themselves — as hubris is a plague — and should take a longer look in the mirror from time to time.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Feb 7, 2012 11:47 PM PST up reply actions  

It's pretty funny

Clippers era Charles Smith is actually a pretty good comp for LA’s early career (2008 vintage), at least by the plain numbers. Only he fell off a relative cliff when he moved to the Knicks while LA took a huge step forward

by Royster on Feb 7, 2012 11:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Minimize it if you want -

Great players make great plays and great plays burn those players into our memories. Yes, playoff moments will add to that legacy but it begins in the regular season.

PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04

by tssbro on Feb 7, 2012 11:50 PM PST up reply actions  

"Yes, playoff moments will add to that legacy but it begins in the regular season."

Tell that to LeBron James, although I doubt he’d be comforted by it.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Feb 7, 2012 11:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Why do they play the games?

Why do we watch? They aren’t meaningless. They are what you make of them. They are the memories you walk around with as a fan. This was a big one for 20,000 fans if not for you.

PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04

by tssbro on Feb 7, 2012 11:59 PM PST up reply actions  

"This was a big one for 20,000 fans if not for you."

Are we talking about those fans?

No.

Are we even talking about you or I?

No.

We’re talking about the national viewing public, who are the ones that define whether or not something — whether it’s related to sports, music, television, movies, or whatever — was a moment.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Feb 8, 2012 12:07 AM PST up reply actions  

LeBron has

kind of a play off legacy that he’s been building….

Something about disappearing in 4th quarters I believe.

by Natsthecat on Feb 8, 2012 12:01 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah..well I do, because I was there. And I was thinking...oh..I wish this was

Jordan right about now…and then he hit that shot….and I thought…OMG…he is Really GOOD….

by Natsthecat on Feb 7, 2012 11:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, but I consider myself a fairly die hard Blazer fan

If we’re talking about player legacies, I’d expect something that would resound enough with either more casual Portland fans, or serious non-Portland fans that they’d be able to name it without prompting.

I mean, even as iconic a shot as that disgusting Sean Elliott one was, the only people I have yet to meet who have any recollection are pretty serious Portland and San Antonio fans.

by Royster on Feb 7, 2012 11:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Who are those moments for?

Bill Simmons doesn’t remember the perfect quarter like I do. I was there in the MC. It is my moment with that team.

PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04

by tssbro on Feb 8, 2012 12:01 AM PST up reply actions  

All true

But there’s still miles of difference between “We should have won…” and “We WON!” The effect is different, the mood is different, the confidence is different, and the reputation is different.

Another way of putting it is that everything you’ve said is rational but also takes time to explain and process. The victorious play creates a reaction that’s both instant and lasting. When it comes down to believing that last critical playoff shot is going to go in or that the defensive stand is not a foul (if you’re an official) the rational processing is out the window. All you know is “great defender/winning team” or not. Both ball and whistles have a way of following the former more than the latter. And I can’t for the life of me think of a way to turn this rational situation into the kind of emotional chemistry that win would have given life to.

—Dave

by Dave on Feb 7, 2012 11:03 PM PST up reply actions  

add it to the list

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by Tyler Durrden on Feb 7, 2012 10:45 PM PST reply actions  

Thank you, you are right

I was pissed at Aldridge for not taking the shot in OT, but never did I realize he already had the game winner, the block was the game winner. I never even thought of it like that.

by Cjones10 on Feb 7, 2012 10:53 PM PST reply actions  

I don't think Aldridge will fold after that

To imagine that he just won’t do it again, I don’t think it’s possible. He constantly is improving, it’s a starting block for him (so to speak) and I think that can fuel him to back it up in the future.

Trade John Canzano
Fun Fact: Crash has not lost to the Lakers since 2005. 8-0 since.

by richardb on Feb 7, 2012 10:55 PM PST reply actions  

He's not going to fold, it's just he had an opportunity taken away for greater recognition league-wide.

It was an opportunity to make a statement like you said above, and instead he has to settle for “It doesn’t matter, we lost the game.”

The storyline should have been, “Lamarcus Aldridge goes off for a season high 39 points in the Blazers second win against the top team in the west, so far this season. Not only does he go for a record night on the offensive end, but comes up with THE defensive play of the game, cleaning KD’s shot off the glass and saying NOT IN OUR HOUSE!”

but that’s not how the replay sounds…..

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by Tyler Durrden on Feb 7, 2012 11:03 PM PST up reply actions  

LMA has responded very well to disses in the past.

His play improved after not making the AS team the past two years. I hope he does the same after this.
Would love to take Foster off to some ant hill and stake him to it…what a complete and utter jerk.
Really really hope the NBA somehow holds this clown accountable for this call…which I cannot help but think is somehow related to gambling.

by Natsthecat on Feb 7, 2012 11:13 PM PST up reply actions  

If LMA is as good as we like to think he is, not to worry,

we have plenty more highlights to come. So he is ‘under the radar’ a bit longer – not critical. Certainly the players and informed fans know what happened, and is happening. This is frustrating, but I hope the frustration will be a motivator. Our players know they have to, and can, do better. Still lookihng forward to the next game. What next !

by Berkeley on Feb 7, 2012 11:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Mr. Nail:

You have just been hit on the head. Courtesy of Dave.

Things happen for a reason they say, but I say there's a reason things happen.

by sixth on Feb 7, 2012 11:00 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

No, this is a moment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBHk9rc4hHc

Nothing against LMA’s block — which was a superb play given the circumstances — but it wasn’t a “moment.”

Not even close.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Feb 7, 2012 11:00 PM PST reply actions  

Let's not change sports.

I don’t want to reset my head, or I’ll start thinking about baseball —or boxing,

ignacio

by ignacio on Feb 7, 2012 11:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree. A regular season lost. Over and forgotten.

"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Feb 7, 2012 11:32 PM PST up reply actions  

A regular season LOSS. Over and forgotten.

"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Feb 7, 2012 11:32 PM PST up reply actions  

simply wrong

Sorry but TV must not have captured what was going on in that arena. That play was the culmination of a team overcoming a bunch of mistakes that fans were clearly/audibly upset about. It was redemption for multiple missed opportunities on the boards and on the break. LA was making his mark against the rising star that could have been a Blazer.

PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04

by tssbro on Feb 7, 2012 11:56 PM PST up reply actions  

What occurred last night during a NBA regular season game at the Rose Garden was not a moment.

What occurred a year ago during a NFL playoff game at CenturyLink Field (then Qwest) was a moment.

When LaMarcus Aldridge retires, he’ll be remembered for something he hasn’t done yet — good, bad, or otherwise — yet, when Marshawn Lynch retires, he’ll be remembered for his “Beast Quake” moment.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Feb 8, 2012 12:04 AM PST up reply actions  

It wasn't for you...

but I am telling you that arena was electric in the same way it was when Roy hit the shot against Houston. Those are moments that build legacies. I agree that playoff moments are bigger but I disagree that these types of plays are not moments.

PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04

by tssbro on Feb 8, 2012 12:07 AM PST up reply actions  

At some point there's just a definitional difference here

If it’s a moment for you because of the experience of being in the stadium, who am I to tell you you’re wrong, or that your experience isn’t meaningful to you? In the end, it’s really about a personal connection and experience with the team/Aldridge, as awkward as that sounds.

I do think, though, that there’s a difference between a personal experience like what you’re describing and something that resonates with a player’s place in NBA history, and I would simply disagree that this falls anywhere near that level.

by Royster on Feb 8, 2012 12:17 AM PST up reply actions  

THIS

getting hung up in personal semantics here. I would say smaller moments add up to effect the way people view a player. Roy and now LMA have never been out of the first round. Both gained respect anyways.

What is done in the playoffs will certainly have a greater effect but the regular season stuff isn’t completely useless.

by poorwebguy on Feb 8, 2012 12:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Individual moments during the regular season can carry weight, sure.

Yet, with regards to such moments, LMA’s potential game-clinching block would’ve come nowhere near B-Roy’s game-winning shot against Houston in 2008 on national TV.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61dRAp0voaM

There’s a canyon-sized difference between the two.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Feb 8, 2012 4:19 AM PST up reply actions  

agreed

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 8, 2012 9:12 AM PST up reply actions  

agreed

but it may easily have been the difference between people realizing he scored 10pts in the 4th quarter and closed the game on a clutch block instead of blathering on about him not being a closer.

It will all blow over but right now it’s like nothing he did in the 4th quarter matters. He just sucks at closing games. That’s just how most people work unfortunately.

by poorwebguy on Feb 8, 2012 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

i don't think you can make that determination at this point

It assumes that this moment would not have been one of a string of moments that raises the national consciousness of LA as an All-Star who produces big plays in big moments for his team. I would agree that had it been on national TV, it would have rasised the stakes but we don’t know the future of this team this season. If somehow LA leads this group into the WCF (not saying it is likely or even a high possibility) this play and moment might have been viewed as the catalyst and changed the narrative as Dave described.
I was at both games and the only difference was the national audience…which is your point and I get it, but the drama, the build up, the moment of completion of the play, everything was on par with Roy’s shot falling through the hoop. The canyon you describe was created and defined later as Roy continued to build his legacy as aided by the fact it was on national TV and got the attention of the national media. My hope is that LA keeps building a legacy of this kind of performance in big games and that the call doesn’t arrest that development. It is a shame that this is the discussion and not the huge play LA came through with down the stretch to ice the game.

PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04

by tssbro on Feb 8, 2012 5:51 PM PST up reply actions  

AK, ever heard Spalding Gray's manic presentation

of ‘Swimming to Cambodia’? It sounds like he had some pretty cool experiences but apparently never found his ‘perfect moment’ because he later killed himself. Maybe the problem was his perception of those experiences. Maybe his expectations were unrealistic. My point is that the LMA block was a moment for many Blazer fans, including me. Not a life changing, league winning moment, but a moment nevertheless.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCGmra0eFQk

by thaisteve on Feb 8, 2012 1:44 AM PST up reply actions  

When I think of potential legendary moments that just missed, the following comes to mind.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdMUfuCfUB8

If there’s ever been a woulda/coulda/shoulda moment, then that one right there takes the cake.

And no, I’ll never, ever think of LMA’s waved off block in that regard—nor will any non-Blazer fan.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Feb 8, 2012 2:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Well, in a sense you're more of a fan than I am

because of your wider scope; I rarely watch a game if the Blazers aren’t in it. I’m more of a Blazer fan than an NBA fan. I think that’s why the Aldridge block is a bigger moment for me.

by thaisteve on Feb 8, 2012 4:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Bigger stage.

Makes all the difference.

"Luke is our go-to Chalupa man," Matthews said. "Designated."

by Vorlauf on Feb 8, 2012 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Marshawn Lynch will only be remembered in Seattle for that moment,

just as the Goal Tend, regardless of Foster’s whistle, will never be and was never going to be remembered outside of Portland. Both players will either be remembered for bodies of work much more expansive, or will hardly be remembered at all outside of the cities they play in.

But those are still “moments” for the fans of those teams and players, and probably the players themselves.

Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!

by HailOden! on Feb 8, 2012 4:22 PM PST up reply actions  

"Marshawn Lynch will only be remembered in Seattle for that moment"

Nope, Lynch’s run got nominated for an ESPY; in addition, he’s now known nationwide for “Beast Quake” and his love of skittles.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Feb 8, 2012 8:35 PM PST up reply actions  

In terms of Aldridge’s rep, I think this will be irrelevant when he’s announced as an allstar on Thursday.

Also, I don’t think its accurate to say this cost the Blazers the game— rather, it significantly reduced their odds of winning. They weren’t a lock to win without the bad call and they were still favorites to win after it. I’m admittedly being somewhat anal retentive here, but I still thought I’d mention it.

by jksnake99 on Feb 7, 2012 11:02 PM PST reply actions  

The hidden benefit of 'the call'

…is that everybody in the nba now knows that LA and the blazers got jobbed last night and the refs are likely to be on their best behavior for the next several games—if not the entire season—when calling close plays in close games involving LA

by Sonic Phantom on Feb 7, 2012 11:03 PM PST reply actions  

very good point. And I think you may be right.

Just like they said that Durant would receive the benefit of calls after the NBA mistakenly didn’t call a foul that was made while Durant attempted a shot at the end of a game last year.

But will that work in the same way…as this wasn’t a foul that wasn’t called…maybe any blocked shots LMA makes will never be called as goal tending….these don’t happen nearly as often as fouls do…

by Natsthecat on Feb 7, 2012 11:18 PM PST up reply actions  

regardless of the situation

a ref getting called out and publicly humiliated is a big deal. other refs will not want to take any risk of having something similar happen to the same player and same team that have been publicly recognized as recipients of an unfavorable game changing call.

by Sonic Phantom on Feb 7, 2012 11:32 PM PST up reply actions  

true...I hope this works in the favor of the Blazers all around.

But especially at the end of games and on plays that LaMarcus makes.

by Natsthecat on Feb 7, 2012 11:34 PM PST up reply actions  

it won't

other refs are not going to actively look to call games soft to make up for this, in fact it may cause some to call games tighter so as not to add to conspiracy theories. My guess though is there is no change.

I don't give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way.
Mark Twain

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by Tyler Durrden on Feb 7, 2012 11:35 PM PST up reply actions  

this has nothing to do with make up calls

and everything to do with refs recognizing that LA is a player the league is paying increasing attention to…

by Sonic Phantom on Feb 7, 2012 11:39 PM PST up reply actions  

well I just hope for his sake he doesn't talk about getting all-star treatment after the big (meaningless) game

I don't give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way.
Mark Twain

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by Tyler Durrden on Feb 7, 2012 11:40 PM PST up reply actions  

why in the world would LMA do this? Isn't it usually the non-all stars that

talk about this?

You don’t see LMA yelping every time someone fouls him during the game…now if he started THAT…I would be kind of upset with him.

by Natsthecat on Feb 8, 2012 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

it was tongue in cheek Nats, I was referring to the time B-Roy talked about getting superstar calls a few years back

and it seemed like his superstar calls kind of went away after that. It was just a joke RELAX : p

I don't give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way.
Mark Twain

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by Tyler Durrden on Feb 8, 2012 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

plus

as absurd as it is, the nba is a league of superstar calls, and LMA’s star is on the rise. i think the increased attention he’s getting around the league is absolutely going to lead to more favorable calls for him and more trips to the line. an all star appearance will almost certainly accelerate this…

by Sonic Phantom on Feb 7, 2012 11:36 PM PST up reply actions  

The refs didn't start calling "charging" or other offensive fouls on Shaq

until very late in his career, much less on the other hand “make up” for anything with the Chris Webber version of the Kings.

ignacio

by ignacio on Feb 7, 2012 11:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe...

This will be the thing that pisses him off enough to DOMINATE!!!!!!!

by Gargen on Feb 7, 2012 11:12 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

If he wasn't pissed off enough by last year's snub

He is incapable of anger

I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

by haildablazer on Feb 7, 2012 11:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I was watching a pirated feed at 3/4th screen size

With the sound delayed and so much pixelation that Pixlpusher proposed.

AND I STILL SAW THE BLOCK IN REAL TIME.

Suspend Foster. Flagrant 2, on the ref.

I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

by haildablazer on Feb 7, 2012 11:13 PM PST reply actions  

I was thinking along these lines

this afternoon. After reading a lot about Scott Foster and realizing that the fixed games thing is probably a bad rap, I started to think more about how this incident seems to epitomize Trail Blazer Basketball. The guy that is OUR Star was reduced to an also ran. What should have been a highlight was reduced to footnote. What was a thing of beauty performed by a craftsman is smashed to pieces. It just seems to exemplify how this team and these fans are really the backwater second cousins of the big city slickers and the cool elite. Great post Dave it really expressed how I felt.

by XBlazerfan on Feb 7, 2012 11:13 PM PST reply actions  

Being from a big city and moving to Portland to become a Blazer fan...

I really wish that some who think this way would just STOP it. People from the big cities are no different than people from anywhere else. There are cool people and backwater second cousins in EVERY city…including New York, Chicago, LA, Miami….etc.

The only difference with the media is $$….MORE people in those cities. So the ad $$/odds are in their favor. That’s it. OKC is NOT a big city. Portland is WAY more urban and “cool” than OKC ever even thought of being.

LaMarcus will get there. It took quite a few years for MJ to get there too.
He just has to continue to believe in himself. Which I’m sure he will.

by Natsthecat on Feb 7, 2012 11:23 PM PST up reply actions  

It's a perception

not a reality. I moved to Portland from a small town and have always thought of it as being one of the more advanced cities culturally in the US. I’ve lived near Chicago and currently live in the LA area and agree, I’ve seen a lot of backwaterness in these places. LA is very much like the midwest and has more of strip mall culture than anything providing plenty of concrete lawn decorations of the most tasteless order. Portland has more of a European flavor. It is not thought of as a cultural center though LA, Chicago and New York are.

Durant is a Superstar bigger than Oklahoma City. Aldridge is not. But Aldridge is more of what we’ve had for Trail Blazers. That’s what I was referring to as the perception or personification of the team and the town. That’s why they say the big stars don’t want to go to the small markets.

by XBlazerfan on Feb 7, 2012 11:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Fixed
Bill Walton blocking dunking over Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

by The Cactus Leaguer on Feb 7, 2012 11:18 PM PST reply actions  

That too

But I remember the snuff more, I guess.

—Dave

by Dave on Feb 7, 2012 11:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow Dave

You out did yourself. Great article, great read. You have a way with words dude.

by cavejunctionblazer on Feb 7, 2012 11:36 PM PST reply actions  

Thank you Dave for writing this.

This is exactly how I felt, and spent 10 minutes trying to explain to my roommate. Thank you.

Hic Sunt Dracones

by TheOdenator on Feb 7, 2012 11:46 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

And i mean he did it.

Aldridge freaking did it! His accomplishment isn’t taken away by the ref. His story might have been, but he still blocked Durant on the game tying basket!

Hic Sunt Dracones

by TheOdenator on Feb 8, 2012 12:00 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

what about Camby's block?

It was just as bad and happened right before LMA’s block. It was called a foul and was clearly all ball. The OKC vs GS game was the same story, OKC got some week calls in they’re favor.

by P.N.Westernboysfan on Feb 7, 2012 11:49 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions  

this was written after the missed foul call on a shot Durant took at the end of a game.
Thunder: NBA apologizes for missed call

The one the NBA apologized for…did the NBA apologize for this call??

But most any other playoff assignment gives the Thunder a fighting chance, homecourt advantage or not. And now the Thunder has the official word from the league that not only is Durant not being protected, he’s getting screwed. At least once. That can’t be anything but good for the Thunder in the playoffs.

by Natsthecat on Feb 7, 2012 11:55 PM PST reply actions  

There was a play in a Thunder v. Jazz game where Durant was clearly fouled on a potential game winning 3 and no call was made. The NBA issued an apology similar to the one they made today.

by jksnake99 on Feb 7, 2012 11:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Another sign

that we’re probably just looking at the result of poor reffing here than anything sinister. The tight and constant schedule really seems to be murdering the already low level of reffing found in the NBA.

by Royster on Feb 8, 2012 12:04 AM PST up reply actions  

I totally disagree

“And the message to the Blazers remains: give the extra effort so that your fate is never in the hands of the officials. That’s the biggest take-away point for the team going forward.”
The Blazers were down against an elite team and came back to take the lead and gave themselves a chance to win. OBVIOUSLY they cant win if the refs give an unfair advantage to the opposition and make blatantly awful calls in the opposing team’s favor at the worst possible time in the game. The Blazers had done exactly what you were saying. The ref blew the game, not Lamarcus, not the Blazers. What you say is insulting and frustrating. The bottom line is the ref made a terrible call, and then worse, didn’t even want to look at the replay. On top of all that, neither of the other refs tried override the call, when you know one of them saw it well enough? Especially the one closest to the play? When the refs call a fair game then we can talk about doing the right things (which they had done the last 3 home games, this just happened to be more of a battle against a really good team), because honestly, why bother if the refs are going to take away your hard work like an incompetent moron anyway.

What they need to take away from this is implementing something that will ensure this wont happen again. It would be nice if McMillan could have challenged the call like in the NFL. If he was wrong we are penalized a timeout. If he is correct then we get the right call. Simple.

I’m tired of people defending the refs. There are three of them in a game. You’d think they would discuss terrible calls at important times like that amongst each other sometimes and hold each other accountable. Instead we get theses refs acting like arrogant, defiant jerks thinking they are untouchable… well maybe because they are.

You blow a call like that, you should lose your job.

by Soul_Fur on Feb 8, 2012 12:16 AM PST reply actions  

the other 2 refs are fairly new. One of them was a replacement for someone who is

a regular. I heard this from Brian Wheeler in an interview. Am pretty sure the senior rep prevails.
And who knows, the opinions of the other 2 refs may have helped lead to the public announcement of the error.
Plus maybe Foster offered them a % of his winnings.

by Natsthecat on Feb 8, 2012 12:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep. Players aren't the only ones

plagues by injuries in this fast and furious season.

"Luke is our go-to Chalupa man," Matthews said. "Designated."

by Vorlauf on Feb 8, 2012 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Very poetic and accurate post, Dave.

You summed it up perfectly. I know Durant got that whistle cause he’s all star – scoring leader – olympic team – #1 draft pick Durant. Except LaMarcus out classed Durant all night long. LaMarcus earned that call last night, being the hometeam and all. Ref screwed up and Stern admitted it. Oh well, live to fight another day…

Hope that ref took a good look at Babbit and Johnson, cause he’s gonna be seeing a lot more of them in Idaho.

"She fell in love with the drummer, another and another"

by Cap'n Crash on Feb 8, 2012 12:34 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

More "breaks" on the road for the Thunder tonight

So, in the last week, Cuban went off on the refs after he thought the Mavs were getting shafted at home against the Thunder.

The night before the Blazers were pissed about the goal tending call that led to a loss.

Tonight in Golden State I just read this on rotoworld: “David Lee had 25 points, 11 rebounds, 10 assists and a block on 9-of-19 shooting to become the first Warrior to triple-double since Chris Webber did so in 1993.This was Lee’s second career trip-dub and he was fantastic tonight. He got called for a questionable fifth foul late in the game, and the Thunder took the lead when he was on the bench.

So, David Lee was playing lights out and gets whistled for a questionable call at home, and was pulled leading to another Thunder comeback. This is getting unreal.

by Cjones10 on Feb 8, 2012 12:54 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

excited for spring training, Chipper?

by jksnake99 on Feb 8, 2012 1:06 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

oh u know it. my body feels great this year. i’m ready to win the world series and retire as a two-time champ.

by Cjones10 on Feb 8, 2012 1:12 AM PST up reply actions   3 recs

I was watching that game

and thought the same thing. Bad call on Lee really changed the momentum of the game when he had to come out.

But I refuse to let the Thunder’s win detract from Lee’s incredible lights out performance or Ellis’s career high 48(?) pts.

"Luke is our go-to Chalupa man," Matthews said. "Designated."

by Vorlauf on Feb 8, 2012 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

^ What you just illustrated is what I can't stand about the NBA. They always have a "flavor of the month/year".

The NBA powers-that-be so badly wnat to give Durant and Griffin the crown of best in the league while continuing the Heat great but selfish narrative. This feeds into ESPN, ticket sales, All-Star game hype and all other ratings extravaganzas. They will do this as long as the parties involved keep their mouths shut and keep playing hard. Them playing hard allows the refs the cover they need to make these questionable calls. It’s always been that weay thoguh. Think about how many times Jordan got favorable calls. Remember Shaq’s dominance and his elbows flailing around, smashing people with the ball, etc… Even Malone was able to use his elbows as long as it wasn’t against Jordan. Heck even Drexler got his calls too, again as long it wasn’t against MJ.

In fact that’s the way Stern likes it apparently. It seems as long as you aren’t achieving greatness over a preferred SuperStar – ala LMA against Durant, you’ll get the opportunity to play, but if it’s against a top tier star then the Star’s team has to screw it up. (A little biased? Maybe :)
Now, Durant gets calls on other team’s courts, is able to push off virtually anytime he wants with few exceptions and Griffin does too.

What I never understood was why Oden never received his calls. I can only think it boiled down to: he didn’t look comfortable in his own skin out on the court- he was gangly and wasn’t subltle at all.
Remember when Roy got those calls often until he spoke out publicly saying “it’s nice to have achieved a level where I get calls from the refs”. Cardinal Sin. You NEVER state that you get calls or the house of cards falls down. Immediately Brandon started to have to flail around and scream just to get calls. He rarely did that before he made that statement.
The NBA is a completely subjective league that is really fun to watch and follow but to believe that ref’s dont play a difference is like thinking that about wrestling 30 years ago.

OK enough paranoid rambling, just my own humble opinion…

"Every time I make one, it always feels like the first time," Roy said. "I was just so excited and so blessed to make a shot like that. It never gets old, it always feels like the first time. I was excited and the fans cheering, teammates jumping up and down."

by AtlBlzr on Feb 8, 2012 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

I believe....

..way too much is being made out of that call.

True greatness overcomes adversity. We can stand back and complain about the call. We can stand back and apply definition to it that it may or may not deserve. But in the end? One bad call may of denied The Blazers a win, but the Blazers found several ways to lose.

It’s too bad that The Blazers were denied a win, coming out of a bad call. It’s too bad Aldridge didn’t get the publicity and coverage a win over OKC and a block on Durant would of provided.

But I believe too much is being made over this. True greatness overcomes adversity. Had the call gone Aldridges way? We would be celebrating it’s memory today. But Durant? He would of moved on…confident and still the great player he is…because greatness overcomes adversity. Aldridge and Blazer fans SHOULD move on. Don’t make more of this than it was…a blown call, a lost opportunity.

"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"

by Krang on Feb 8, 2012 2:04 AM PST reply actions  

Krang, you posted while I was typing.

Great minds think alike. And in my case, lesser minds, too ;)

by thaisteve on Feb 8, 2012 2:23 AM PST up reply actions  

the important thing is that Aldridge goes out and dominates and isn't affected by it

for us as fans, well, we can dwell on anything without an effect to the team

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 8, 2012 9:15 AM PST up reply actions  

I think that part of the point of the call being "mistaken" is that

if the Blazers went on to WIN…perhaps next time the Blazers will not make as many lame non-attempts at rebounding etc…

And eventually LMA would just move on…

also confident and still the great player he is…because greatness overcomes adversity

I hope this is how LMA feels deep within himself…

The NBA apology and the all star nomination will most likely do this for LMA.

by Natsthecat on Feb 8, 2012 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Very interesting discussion by all, and many thanks

to Dave for the OP. I only noticed today that I could rec your posts, so I did, but please just assume that I would have rec’d nearly all your posts since I’ve been reading. I’ll probably still not rec your posts simply because they are so obviously recommendable that it’s not necessary. OK, enough on that.
I see the question now as being how LMA and the team deals with this adversity. Ah, adversity! Haven’t we all been wondering what it’s going to be this year that Nate will use to rally the troops? Fortunately it wasn’t a serious Batum knee injury. BTW, that to me confirms that the injury god has been appeased and has moved on to other teams (Billups, etc) Perhaps this year’s adversity was the recent stretch of awful games and this is the final straw that gets the team to say, OK, it’s us against the world, no one is going to hand us rebounds or wait for us to get back on D, or enlarge the hoop for us. We have to make it happen. Oh, and a big helping of hate for OKC with that gloating, crowd baiting Westbrook and that liar Durant who said his shot hit the backboard first. I’ve always liked Durant but now I finally have a tiny foothold in the door of hate to use against him, whether he believed it was goal tending or not. If the Blazers can use the infamous call in this way, they’ll be fine. In other words, get mad, and get even, and then get ahead.
Do not get a martyr complex about the refs, even if I would. Be better than me, Blazers. That’s why I watch you. I want to be inspired, entertained. I want to see you play your best individually and then become greater than the sum of your parts. I want to see you wasting vast quantities of Paul Allen’s expensive champagne after finally getting out of the first round. After that it’s all gravy.

by thaisteve on Feb 8, 2012 2:17 AM PST reply actions  

They said this on the radio. Aldridge owned Durant and nothing will change that. Durant knows that the next time

they play he can’t rely on that call happening. He knows that he can be stopped. Down the road when this game doesn’t matter, Durant will know LMA stopped him.

by BRoyInThe4th on Feb 8, 2012 4:14 AM PST reply actions  

"He knows that he can be stopped."

That’s nothing new, as noted by comments of mine from last month.

“Kevin Durant can be stopped.

Just try to deny him the ball often. When he does get it, body him up and force long 20+ footers.

Dallas did this to perfection in the Western Conference Finals last year, while Portland did a good job of it tonight.

Here’s the difference between Durant and LeBron James: Durant can be defended by stud forwards (e.g., Crash, Matrix, et al.), while the only person who can defend against LBJ is himself. After James gets past the mental hurdles inside his own head, he’ll be unstoppable."

http://www.blazersedge.com/2012/1/3/2680815/postgame-open-thread-blazers-103-okc-93#87523066

On that note, LeBron James ought to win the MVP Award this season by a unanimous vote. No Kobe Bryant nonsense, either.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Feb 8, 2012 4:33 AM PST up reply actions  

so many voted awards have become jokes

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 8, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

LBJ kind of digs his own grave...

he has done very well though, especially considering the parental guidance he’s had….

by Natsthecat on Feb 8, 2012 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

based on his on court regular season performance though

it hard to argue he’s not the MVP

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 8, 2012 1:25 PM PST up reply actions  

The most important results are inside LMA and Durant's heads

You’re right, it’s all about the next time Durant and LMA face each other, especially in the playoffs. When it’s game 7 in the WCF, and Durant has the ball at the end of the game, he will think twice about taking it to the hole against LMA. Maybe, just maybe, Durant will take a lower percentage jump shot instead. Durant knows he got his shot blocked, and he won’t forget. Heck, I remember a few of the shots I had blocked 25 years ago. Durant will remember. It may motivate him to try harder against LMA, so it could end up hurting the Blazers. But it does matter. I’ve read enough basketball biographies to know that NBA players take these kind of things personal, and it affects their decisions in future games.

by unblindloyalty on Feb 8, 2012 10:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Or he will do exactly the same thing ...and know that the ref will bail him out again

cause that is how the league and media want it

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Feb 8, 2012 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't think any player would step on the court and play as if they KNOW that

safety net will be there. But I could be wrong.

"Luke is our go-to Chalupa man," Matthews said. "Designated."

by Vorlauf on Feb 8, 2012 10:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Without the hyperbole ...they actually do

Kobe, :LeBron and Wade all count on getting love from the refs ….even Brandon did…until he acknowledged it …then they cut him off

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Feb 8, 2012 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

B-Roy didn't get cut off; that's nonsense.

In reality, his body was so broken down that he couldn’t take guys off the dribble and drive to the hoop like the peak of himself.

Look no further than Roy’s FTA per 36 for confirmation, as it was in the mid-6s during both of the ‘08-’09 and ‘09-’10 seasons.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/roybr01.html

Once the 2010-2011 season rolled around, Roy’s body was in shambles. That’s the reason why his ability to draw fouls — along with the rest of his game — was flushed down the toilet.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Feb 8, 2012 10:55 AM PST up reply actions  

It was fairly well documented

Roy saying (in the press) how great it is to finally be getting some calls (I believe he mentioned the defenders not being allowed to touch him) and then afterward (after speaking publically) going back to not getting calls again.

PS …that could happen without it making much of a dent in the full season averages …as long as it all happened within the same season

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Feb 8, 2012 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, if it was a mid-season comment, then the one way to check the validity of ...

this claim would be to scour through all of the box scores a month or so before and a month or so after Roy’s remarks.

I ain’t doin’ it, tho’, ‘cause I’m way too lazy; plus, there are plenty of better things to do.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Feb 8, 2012 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Well...perhaps you noticed i didn't provide them either

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Feb 8, 2012 12:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Good reminder of the "True Identity" of the Blazer Fan

Thanks Dave
This should be required reading for “Northwest History” class in High Schools

La Illaha Illallah Muhamadur Rasulallah

by AbuFatimah on Feb 8, 2012 5:44 AM PST reply actions  

I wonder though how this will affect the next few meetings between these two

Perhaps this will put a giant chip on the shoulders of the Blazers and could possibly end up creating an even better narrative. If we happened to end up matched up against them in the first round, I have a feeling this may still be in the craw of the Blazers. So maybe the narrative will be written in the future and be something that they can use to create a playoff memory that is positive.

BBS

by BringBackSabonis on Feb 8, 2012 7:10 AM PST reply actions  

Well, I'm bummed....

Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.

by jenstcy on Feb 8, 2012 9:03 AM PST reply actions  

Nicely written Dave.

I just don’t happen to agree. :-)

by jukelike20 on Feb 8, 2012 9:18 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

So,

will Scot Foster get booed next time he’s in town? He owes us some serious “make up calls” for that tweet.

My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.

by OCBlazerFan1 on Feb 8, 2012 9:28 AM PST reply actions  

We are Blazers fans

We don’t forget. I predict Foster will be boo’ed in the Rose Garden for a long time to come.

"Luke is our go-to Chalupa man," Matthews said. "Designated."

by Vorlauf on Feb 8, 2012 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I am pissed that Javie retired

because I can no longer boo him

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Feb 8, 2012 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Wait, Foster's bashing us on Twitter now?

Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!

by HailOden! on Feb 8, 2012 4:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Nah, Dave

You said it yourself: this was a regular season game. Bummer, sure, but it’s on to the next game in the regular season grind. If the Blazers string together a few wins, the Scott Foster Debacle will be a bump in the road (one of many in this bumpy season).

If they DON’T rebound from this disappointment, then that’s on them: they’re not winners. But I don’t expect that to happen; this team has shown itself to be very resilient. Unless injuries mount, of course. All Blazer fans know you must always acknowledge the power of the dreaded Injury Bug. Much worse than the Bad Call Bug.

I still believe in Greg Oden. The Blazers' medical staff? Not so much.

I'd change my handle to "bringback'09," but I'm too lazy.

by hurryup09 on Feb 8, 2012 10:20 AM PST reply actions  

Watch what happens tonight

Had “The Call” not occurred, the Blazers likely would have let down tonight vs the Rockets. We’ve seen this again & again from this team: the big letdown after the big, emotional win. But thanks to the call, the Rockets are probably in for a thumping tonight. You know they’re thinking, “Uh, oh: this team and crowd are going to be all over us tonight.”

That’s why “The Call” wasn’t as big a deal as all that. It’s the regular season, and things tend to even out.

I still believe in Greg Oden. The Blazers' medical staff? Not so much.

I'd change my handle to "bringback'09," but I'm too lazy.

by hurryup09 on Feb 8, 2012 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Not at home

They were stellar at home

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Feb 8, 2012 12:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Er, never mind

Having seen the Blazers-Rockets game, I obviously had this one wrong. The Blazers came out flatter than a pancake, limper than a wet dishrag. That’s discouraging.

I still believe in Greg Oden. The Blazers' medical staff? Not so much.

I'd change my handle to "bringback'09," but I'm too lazy.

by hurryup09 on Feb 9, 2012 4:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Over at Welcome to Loud City...

There is mention that Aldridge fouled Durant on his elbow during the play anyways. I watched the footage again and again, and I do not see a foul.

by CoryBauer on Feb 8, 2012 10:59 AM PST reply actions  

Sounds like they are trying to justify a terrible call that bailed them out

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by Tyler Durrden on Feb 8, 2012 11:32 AM PST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

He has his hand inside of Durant's elbow (briefly)

not much contact though.

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Feb 8, 2012 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

There was no foul.

The league should cut back on foul calls anyway, even if it leads to more chippiness like the Love vs. Scola tussle. That stuff is entertaining, y’know.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Feb 8, 2012 12:32 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Can we get rid of the ridiculous offensive fouls?

That would make me happy. Refs seems focused so much on the half circle that it doesn’t matter anymore that a guy slips underneath a player already in the air.

PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04

by tssbro on Feb 8, 2012 5:58 PM PST up reply actions  

It could have been called, but it would have been a ticky tack call. Its irrelevant though, because what was called was goaltending, which obviously did not happen.

by jksnake99 on Feb 8, 2012 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Aldridge also arguably fouled on the play.

And the foul call on Serge on that illegal pick a few seconds before that was probably correct but never gets called in the final minute of a tight game. And as JK keeps pointing out, Harden would have had the ball with several seconds to get a good shot off.

I feel like the portland fanbase in particular are incredibly emo about bad calls, and this post is kind of exhibit A as far as that’s concerned. I mean every local broadcaster is incredibly homer, but not even the Boston guys criticize the officiating on every single play the way the Mikes do, and a lot of fanbases get upset about bad calls but don’t write thousand word essays about how an entire city was robbed of a brief shining moment of happiness by the evil officials like this post here.

It’s one game, and we gave the game away on multiple fronts. This call was pretty bad, but not being able to grab defensive rebounds the whole game was a lot worse.

by howlingfantods on Feb 8, 2012 11:02 AM PST reply actions  

it's not arguable that Aldridge fouled on that play

not even close. Leave that argument at the door

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 8, 2012 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

and regardless of what went into it, the game came down to that play

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 8, 2012 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

you're probably looking at the wrong part of the play --

Aldridge grabs Durant’s right arm before he even goes up with it. That’s a foul, although one that players get away with more often than not.

by howlingfantods on Feb 8, 2012 11:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Maybe so, but it's hard to see, even on slow-mo replay

What I thought I’d seen was Durant having trouble with his handle just before going up for the shot. (I’d have to look again to see if LMA’s hand was on Durant’s arm.)

I still believe in Greg Oden. The Blazers' medical staff? Not so much.

I'd change my handle to "bringback'09," but I'm too lazy.

by hurryup09 on Feb 8, 2012 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

And the hip check on Serge was really blatant; that gets called every single time.

But your point about the Blazers’ anemic rebounding is on target. You can’t expect to win a game, even at home, in which you’re outrebounded by 20.

I still believe in Greg Oden. The Blazers' medical staff? Not so much.

I'd change my handle to "bringback'09," but I'm too lazy.

by hurryup09 on Feb 8, 2012 11:11 AM PST up reply actions  

hm, i've watched wayyy too many games with Garnett, Perkins, Bynum, etc

getting away with that play to agree with you. Kurt Thomas is an enthusiastic practitioner too, although he hasn’t had a chance to do it late in games in the last few years of his career.

by howlingfantods on Feb 8, 2012 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Well, those guys have gotten away with it sometimes--quite right

But that has more to do with the teams they’ve played for (the NBA’s darlings) than anything else. (Garnett didn’t get away with that kind of stuff when he was a Timberwolf.) And the hip check in question happened out in the open, right in front of an official.

I still believe in Greg Oden. The Blazers' medical staff? Not so much.

I'd change my handle to "bringback'09," but I'm too lazy.

by hurryup09 on Feb 8, 2012 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

"not even the Boston guys criticize the officiating on every single play the way the Mike's do"

I have seen both Mike’s reverse themselves after seeing a replay. Since I moved to Florida & had to get league pass I have seen more & more of other teams announcers. I am not saying the Mikes are not homers but they are not even close to the worse. Some of these guys are just TURRIBLE!

Loud pipes save lives!
Bad knees break hearts!
Time for an exorcism.

by We-B-Dunkin on Feb 8, 2012 11:29 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

There are some bad ones, yeah.

Cleveland, Memphis, New Orleans, Portland, and Boston all suck.

New Jersey, New York, Los Angeles, Los Angeles, and Golden State all have solid crews.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Feb 8, 2012 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Golden States are pretty bad also.

Loud pipes save lives!
Bad knees break hearts!
Time for an exorcism.

by We-B-Dunkin on Feb 8, 2012 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

I like their color man, Jim Barnett.

But yeah, their play-by-play guy, Bob Fitzgerald, is mediocre.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Feb 8, 2012 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Fitz is super annoying on his radio show, too, but yeah I like Barnett. I actually think their radio guy Tim Roye (he does the broadcasts on his own) is their most talented broadcaster.

by jksnake99 on Feb 8, 2012 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

golden state was being amusingly silly with over the top homerism last night too.

they were getting razzed pretty hard by Voulgaris, who I follow on the twitters, especially Fitz.

Boston is so over the top, I mostly find them funny instead of irritating. I still can’t believe they used to let Tommy Heinsohn call nationally televised games in the 80s when he’s so in the tank for the celts.

The mikes really are just horrible though. Especially the passive aggressive stuff from Barrett gets really really old. I find them and the Denver team the most irritating teams to listen to.

by howlingfantods on Feb 8, 2012 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

"especially Fitz"

But it’s only Fitzgerald.

Jim Barnett is one of the more even-keeled local TV analysts.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Feb 8, 2012 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Jim Barnett=ex-Blazer.

Loud pipes save lives!
Bad knees break hearts!
Time for an exorcism.

by We-B-Dunkin on Feb 8, 2012 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Well, he's far, far better than Mike Rice.

I still miss Steve “Snapper” Jones, though.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Feb 8, 2012 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes Steve Jones was good.

Ever see the old games when he first got started though he was very stiff, he turned himself into a first class announcer over time. A class act.

Loud pipes save lives!
Bad knees break hearts!
Time for an exorcism.

by We-B-Dunkin on Feb 8, 2012 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

The final game of the blazer championship series had Brent Musberger,& Steve Berry....

S Jones was really stiff in his limited analysis role on that broadcast. Musberger was horrible.

Loud pipes save lives!
Bad knees break hearts!
Time for an exorcism.

by We-B-Dunkin on Feb 8, 2012 12:06 PM PST up reply actions  

You mean Rick Barry?

That said, the NBA should bring back the active player-announcer. For the NBA Finals, Kevin Love would be perfect in that role. Like Barry, he’s got a prickish attitude that’d work well as the third guy in a three-man booth with Mike Breen and Jeff Van Gundy.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Feb 8, 2012 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes

Loud pipes save lives!
Bad knees break hearts!
Time for an exorcism.

by We-B-Dunkin on Feb 8, 2012 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Oldtimers desease strikes again.

Loud pipes save lives!
Bad knees break hearts!
Time for an exorcism.

by We-B-Dunkin on Feb 8, 2012 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Van Gundy is funny, he says stupid stuff just to get a reaction.

Kevin Love should be available for these playoffs, though the years of high draft picks are finally starting to show some rewards.

Loud pipes save lives!
Bad knees break hearts!
Time for an exorcism.

by We-B-Dunkin on Feb 8, 2012 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Mike Barrett can be pretty irritating.

I like almost everything about Mike Rice though. The guy is pretty funny and doesn’t take himself too seriously. He also makes some pretty good observations during the game.

The guy who I think is kind of an idiot is Antonio Harvey…ughh…he was going on and on about Camby’s groin strain and how it hopefully wouldn’t lead to a groin pull and months off…and the whole time I was thinking…“you didn’t get that Camby just thought: this is ridiculous, I do NOT need to be in this game and I’m going to just pull MYSELF out of it, since obviously COACH is too much of a nitwit to do it.” Or maybe he DID get it and thinks fans are stupid enough to buy his drivel.

by Natsthecat on Feb 8, 2012 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, Rice is obnoxious in a humorous way

Barrett is turrible.

Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!

by HailOden! on Feb 8, 2012 4:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Golden State

is TURRIBLE!

"Luke is our go-to Chalupa man," Matthews said. "Designated."

by Vorlauf on Feb 8, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Sacramento is another crew, like Golden State, that has an annoying play by play man and a well above average analyst.

I also really like Minnesota’s crew (though its largely because they sometimes use advanced stats).

by jksnake99 on Feb 8, 2012 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

can't stand Boston's crew

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 8, 2012 11:42 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Tommy Heinson bleeds green.

Loud pipes save lives!
Bad knees break hearts!
Time for an exorcism.

by We-B-Dunkin on Feb 8, 2012 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

no tommy point for sammymohawk!!

by jksnake99 on Feb 8, 2012 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

haha...I'm crushed

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 8, 2012 1:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Dave, I blame outcomes on the officials even less than you do.

And the only thing about what you’ve written here that will remain emblazoned in my cerebrum is this sentence fragment: “give the extra effort so that your fate is never in the hands of the officials”. Even SLIGHTLY more respectable discrepancies in rebounds/points off turnovers, and we likely have at least a two or three possession lead going into that final Thunder play. A two-point lead against Kevin Durant in crunch time may as well already be considered a tie game or a deficit. The game already was lost before the botched call.

by looster401 on Feb 8, 2012 11:23 AM PST reply actions  

Superstars BELIEVE they are superstars and the refs eventually follow suit

CP3 is not the elite talent he was a few years ago. But he still wills his teams to compete and many teams and refs still give him the benefit of the doubt. He creates that with his will. LA NEEDS plays like this to belive in himself at that level and hopefully get the ref support of a player at “superstar” level. Watch Griffin and CP3. Two of the most pompous, arrogant players you will ever see but they will not emotionally wilt against the big stars because they truly believe they are one as well. LA has the physical ability and skill to be a superstar, but needs some extra mojo to believe in himself enough to perform on that level every night.

That high profile play cost LA a little of that mojo but every game like this he believes more and more in himself.

by T.O. on Feb 8, 2012 11:31 AM PST reply actions  

"Sometimes the difference between the two is as small as a single tweet."

Are you saying to be careful when using Twitter?

Wherever you may be; good night, eeeeeeverybody!

by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Feb 8, 2012 12:00 PM PST reply actions  

NBA is more about image than any other sport

This sort of echoes T.O.‘s point just made, and also what I think Dave is getting at in his post. So much of NBA basketball is about the superstar image from the highlights and storylines that national media follow to the way the games are called. This is the aspect of the game that turns some people off. What happens once someone is determined to be a superstar player (or by extension, team), that player starts to get the benefits of the call. Scott Foster is sitting out there at halfcourt thinking in the back of his mind that there is no way that LMA could legally block Durant and that triggers the blown whistle. Portland has a long history of coming up short (and the whole jailblazer thing) so they rarely get the benefit of the doubt in those split second calls. That eventually can affect a team and it seems to affect the Blazers every year whether it is BRoy feeling like he needs to yelp in pain everytime he goes to the rim because he thinks he is getting fouled and it is not getting called. Just like his statement about how making the all star team might get him more calls. This kind of thing does affect a team on the court and perception becomes reality and all the potential for winning turns to potential for losing. I’m not syaing blazers get robbed on all the calls, but I would love for them to be aggressive and not let the refs decide the game or let a team get lucky against them. It is about control and forcing the issue which this team does at time but not consistently enough to get out from under the clouds.

by merseykersey on Feb 8, 2012 12:03 PM PST reply actions  

Thank you for saying all of that Dave.

That was almost as frustrating as the 2000 collapse and as the 1991 rebound tip. I was thinking about posting something along these lines, but glad that the better writer went ahead and said it all.

"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."

by Seijeff on Feb 8, 2012 12:25 PM PST reply actions  

Almost as frustrating as the 2000 collapse????? A place in the finals as a heavy favorite was at stake there!!!! Not a regular season game for a team that’s going to make the playoffs anyway but is unlikely to do much of anything once they get there!

I don’t see how this is even close to being comparable to what happened on June 4, 2000.

by jksnake99 on Feb 8, 2012 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I can't agree with this comparison

way more on the line in 2000

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by Tyler Durrden on Feb 8, 2012 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

The biggest benefit from the blown call

will be the Rose Garden finally seeing Lamarcus as the hard working, versatile defender that he is. That was a nasty play, and shows why he should be getting more love from the crowd. We take him granted because of his smooth style and understated personality. Now if only we could figure out how to chant his name. It’s so much easier when the first and last names have two syllables.

Come on, let's all hug it out.

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Feb 8, 2012 12:40 PM PST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

His name isn't difficult to chant ...we have done it in the past

LA-MARCUS AL-DRIDGE (clap-clap clap-clap-clap)

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Feb 8, 2012 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

L-M-A L-M-A

this is not rocket science

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by sammymohawk on Feb 8, 2012 1:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Eh, when la retires and if that hadn't been called

I highly doubt people will sit back and think, remember that block that put the blazers 3 games over 5.000 in the second month of the season? That is the first thing that comes to mind when I think of LA

62-4 baby

by thomasikehara on Feb 8, 2012 12:46 PM PST reply actions  

Kind of late to bring up this point, but I think its crazy to say this would have put the Blazers over a hump they haven’t been over since the Drexler years. Since then, the Blazers have been to the WCF, had a 13 game win streak with a super young team, gotten HCA as a super young team, etc. Yes, the Roy and Oden situations have brought the Blazers a long way back from their spot as “the team of the future,” but a win in that game still wouldn’t have made the future look nearly as bright as any number of days in recent years (draft lottery day, day of Oden selection, pick a day during the 13 game win streak, Roy’s game winners, Rudy’s 5 points in 3 seconds to basically seal a playoff berth, winning playoff games if not series, etc.)

Just do not see how a win in that game would have put the Blazers over a hump they haven’t been over since the Drexler years.

by jksnake99 on Feb 8, 2012 12:47 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

he's like if Stalin and Hitler made a baby and that baby runs a multi-national conglomerate that

figured out a way to profit off of baby sadness and puppy skins

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by Tyler Durrden on Feb 8, 2012 1:37 PM PST up reply actions   4 recs

Godwin was wrong

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Feb 8, 2012 2:33 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I don’t think we should go overboard here. Hitler was evil, but not Scott Foster evil. He may have tried to keep a young black man from reaching his potential, but ultimately failed to prevent Jesse Owens from doing so.

by jksnake99 on Feb 8, 2012 1:54 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I could see David Stern sporting that little mustache.

Loud pipes save lives!
Bad knees break hearts!
Time for an exorcism.

by We-B-Dunkin on Feb 8, 2012 2:28 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

+92

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Feb 8, 2012 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Well

That sure was dramatic.

by Gforcepuma on Feb 8, 2012 2:28 PM PST reply actions  

Vegas rules

An old man once said that anything you can bet on is bound to be fixed at some point.

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by OhOhOden on Feb 8, 2012 3:47 PM PST reply actions  

I really love this article and want to agree...

…but I can’t. Russell Westbrook actually did get the game saving block to send the game to overtime, and while it’s a highlight worthy play, I don’t feel like it’s getting a lot of national attention. And he is already an All-Star. I don’t think that play would have turned into anything career defining for Aldridge and we’re probably making a bigger deal of it than we should.

by blazerchamps on Feb 8, 2012 3:54 PM PST reply actions  

Exactly

If LA was “already an All star” he would have got the same call Westbrook did. Both blocks were legit. The All-star’s was called a block…

by T.O. on Feb 8, 2012 4:32 PM PST up reply actions  

BUMMER

I was already way depressed and angry about that call.. now even more so after reading this article.. can the team use this situation to their advantage somehow..?

by rrrripcity on Feb 8, 2012 4:25 PM PST reply actions  

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