LaMarcus Aldridge vs. Kevin Love nba.com poll
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la getting killed in the poll
dumbass people don’t know basketball
PHILLY!
by CleBlazer on Feb 7, 2012 12:30 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
blaaaaaggghhhh
did you watch the game last night?
Aldridge was damn-near brilliant!
(and has been all week (player of the week, just wait…))
I’d like to see Love play defense on Durant and get 39 on Perkins and double teams.
You can't use one game as a referendum for saying one player is better than another.
As Ben already pointed out, LA’s “shake” was the largest of the season last night, meaning it deviated the most from his norm.
And to be fair, after starting 7-8 shooting, he shot 7-20 (35%) from then on.
This isn’t to discredit LA though, I love the guy… I just think people are overlooking Love for a few various reasons.
as far as I can tell this is a made up allegation
it’s true that defensive rebounding has some diminishing returns so each defensive rebound is maybe only worth 1/5 of a possession to the team, but Love is an animal on the oboards and helps his team by scoring a lot and very efficiently. He probably does get some rebounds that a number of other players could get, but this is true of every rebounder but the allegation was never made against Rodman, B Wallace, etc. Meanwhile, if scoring a lot and scoring very efficiently is a way to “stat pad” I wish I could do that so I could be an awesome and valuable NBA player.
This isn’t to say LaMarcus isn’t having a phenomenal season, because he is. Considering defense I might even take him over love. But there’s no real evidence he’s tricking his way into stats.
i keep dancing on my own.
I have no explanation for this homerism
other than a possible Lake Oswego alumni.
Aldridge's record last night: 0-1
~reasoning of many Blazer fans for discounting magnificent Kevin Love performances.
i keep dancing on my own.
rebounds matter.
Our starting PF got outrebounded in 43 minutes of play by their starting C, starting PF, starting SF, and starting PG. And by their backup C who played a total of 11 minutes. Not good in a game where we got outrebounded by 20 and basically lost the game on the boards.
by howlingfantods on Feb 7, 2012 10:17 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't forget that game winning block.
that Foster erased.
He is not a more efficient scorer
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by JuwanMVPHoward on Feb 7, 2012 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
Love: 58 TS 117 ORTG
LA: 56 TS 113 ORTG
i keep dancing on my own.
by atomiccafe on Feb 7, 2012 5:16 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That is just because love shoots threes.
Love is horrible around the rim.
by Oden Mad, Oden Smash! on Feb 8, 2012 9:23 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
(1) so the extra point you get for shooting a 3 doesn’t help your team win games?
(2) Love: 60.5% at rim on 6.3 attempts per game
Aldridge: 66.7% at rim on 6.0 attempts per game. Aldridge is better but Love is hardly “terrible.” Meantime Love’s eFG is 2% better on jumpers and they both take twice as many jumpers as at rim shots, so Love is indeed more efficient overall.
i keep dancing on my own.
(2) 60% at the rim is terrible for a big man. 60% is bad for a guard. Of players with more than 4.3 attempts around the rim Love there are only four players less efficient around them rim. Jennings, Wall, Teague and Cousins. Terrible.
by Oden Mad, Oden Smash! on Feb 8, 2012 7:33 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I don’t really understand why you’re devaluing the fact that Love is considerably more efficient scoring overall as seen by the TS. Is it that big of a deal where it comes from?
i keep dancing on my own.
Because Love is not a considerably more efficient scorer than Aldridge. Even if he is, it barely noticeable. There a plenty of stats, outside of TS%, that evaluate fg% in a similar manner, that actually favor LMA or even view them as equals.
The fact of the matter is, Loves fg% around the rim looks nice enough, because he gets to the free throw line with more consistency. Probably the only part of Loves game that I value over LMAs.
by aRC on Feb 9, 2012 7:17 AM PST up reply actions
what are the efficiency stats that favor LaMarcus and why are they a better view of a player’s efficiency than TS or ORTG? I’d also dispute the notion that a two point difference in TS or a four point difference in ORTG isn’t significant.
i keep dancing on my own.
adjusted field goal %
Which views them as equals. However, it doesnt take into account free throws, which TS and ORTG do.
As I said, with free throws being the the key difference between LMA and Loves TS and ORTG, it is the only part of Love’s game that I value over LMAs.
by aRC on Feb 9, 2012 8:01 AM PST up reply actions
the 3 point shooting is cool too
as is his rebounding. I think they are two top 10 players, and it is very hard to split them… Aldridge also has the advantage in a number of areas.
i keep dancing on my own.
Very true
But Im not pressing for LMA to stretch his range out to three when he shoots as well as he does, as much as he does, and still averages 23 a game. A difference that could be made up with the 3-4 more free throws a game the Love takes.
The rebounding, though impressive from Love, would only show up in LMAs boxscore and wouldnt necessarily make Portland a better rebounding team. Outside of LA, Orl, and maybe Utah, I dont believe there is a better rebounding tandem that the Blazers could hope for in LMA and Camby… statistically speaking. Im not sure that there is a player on Min, other than Love, even averaging 5 rebounds per game. Theres no saying that 4 more rebounds a game from LMA wouldnt take rebounds from Camby, Wallace, etc… Now, offensive rebounds would be a better argument, but Love only averages 1 more of those a game; 4 to LMAs 3.
At the end of the day, I believe the two are really good at what they do respectively and provide the same amount of value to their teams with their respective skill sets. Both are top 10 players, but Love being considerably better than Aldridge is false in my opinion.
by aRC on Feb 9, 2012 8:57 AM PST up reply actions
I voted for Love. I slightly prefer his rebounding, 3 point shooting and overall offensive efficiency over LA’s defensive versatility.
Both have been among the top 10 NBA players thus far this season, in my opinion.
I much prefer LMA's better passing, fewer turnovers, post play and defensive excellence
to Love’s 3-pt shooting and rebounding. Love’s overall offensive efficiency is completely dependent on the 6 points per game he scores from outside the arc. That is no small feat – but Aldridge is better in virtually every other part of the game except rebounding.
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
you're really citing the 2.4 turnovers per 36 versus the 2.2 turnovers per 36?
Seems like a pretty non-serious argument.
Love gets fewer assists, but I consider him a better passer. Aldridge’s superiority on defense is also somewhat overstated, especially around these parts—Love’s defense is better than the reputation and is considerably better this season, and Aldridge has become a decent defender but hardly a huge plus defender. And defensive rebounding is part of defense.
David Thorpe addressed this question in his chat today, and called Love the better player. I consider Love a top 5 player and a reasonable person to throw in a MVP discussion, and Aldridge a top 10 player but not reasonably a MVP candidate.
I think rebounding is hugely important, and I find it hard not to dismiss arguments like “Aldridge is better in virtually every other part of the game except rebounding.” To me, it’s like saying “he’s great at everything except scoring” or “he’s great at everything except playing defense”. To me, those are all basically equally important, and the difference between Love and Aldridge on defense is far less than the difference between Love and Aldridge in rebounding.
by howlingfantods on Feb 7, 2012 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
Aldridge has a 40% better AST percentage - not trivial
Aldridge also turns the ball over 20% less to go with that 40% better assist ratio….again, not insignificant (also, based on ESPN stats. Bask. Ref. has the ratio closer).
The two things that Love does better – significantly better – is rebound and shoot free throws. Love’s TS% remains higher – but that is solely a function of an edge in FT% and free throw rate. Aldridge’s eFG% is actually higher than Loves due to his greater effectiveness inside the 3-point line.
Love’s DRtng is surprisingly good at 100, just a bit worse than Aldridge’s 99. However, Aldridge blocks more, steals more and is unquestionably more versatile as a defender on the perimeter and against multiple positions. Defensively, it isn’t as close as rating would suggest.
Law of Logical Argument
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by blacknoiseNW on Feb 7, 2012 11:54 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I would say Aldridge has quietly become a hugely plus defender. Basketball Prospectus rated him a +5 (top 5% in the league) defender and he consistently grades out well in the Synergy non-boxscore metrics. Love as you state is not nearly as bad as his reputation would sometimes indicate, he’s not quite as good as Aldridge there. Of course Love’s floor spacing and rebounding make him a more valuable offensive player, and Aldridge needs a longer track record of hitting long 2s at a 45% clip to show that it’s a skill he actually possesses and not a fluke. So I’d take Love for those reasons, but it’s a lot closer than it was at this time last year.
i keep dancing on my own.
Kevin love is is going to be suspended for 2 games? One should be the All-star game.
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
by dpnim on Feb 7, 2012 1:02 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I agree with dpnim
A play like Love’s should get him banned from the All Star game.
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
The fans can vote how they want..
We all saw how badly LA dominated him head-to-head last year. The proof is in the pudding.. No disrespect to K. Love though. He’s a great player..
Love has a guy to set him up now
Get Aldridge a decent PG and a second option and his numbers get even better. Also, Love will never completely dominate a good team like LMA is capable of doing. He’ll get locked down imo.
People can rant about Love’s TS all they want but they’re two different types of players. Aldridge plays closer to the rim and collapses the defense + draw double and triple teams. Because of this he’s not going to be shooting a bunch of 3s and his assist rate will probably continue to be better. It will go up even more when guys start hitting the shots he gets them.
Two different types of PFs and in completely different situations. Aldridge is better for our situation because he has a million ways to score with guys hanging all over his arms even though we have no-one else to consistently stretch out the defense for him.
Aldridge is probably better for the Wolves situation too honesty because pairing him with a solid PG that can shoot would be dynamite. I’d take Aldridge in the playoffs too. He put up 22 ppg in our series with the Mavs. I have a feeling KLove will get eaten alive against a decent team in the playoffs.
I also think the Wolves miss the playoffs this year too and if/when that happens Love won’t get dinged for it. People will blame it on the rest of the team. Aldridge, on the other hand, will get blamed for almost every loss.
All I have to say is..
Baha whoops hit enter to early. All I have to say is LA helps his team win games and is now a true leader. K Love is a stat machine. Not a winner.
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