Media Row Report: Thunder 111, Blazers 107 (OT)
The Oklahoma City Thunder defeated the Portland Trail Blazers, 111-107, in overtime at the Rose Garden on Monday night, dropping Portland's record to 14-11.
The whistling noise from referee Scott Foster's mouth still echoed in the shocked stadium and Blazers coach Nate McMillan hadn't yet returned from orbit after leaping to protest the decision. It was already clear, right then, in the very middle of the mess, that this game was going to be a classic writer's paradox.
All anyone wants to read and talk about is the goaltending call and yet no one really wants to read and talk about the goaltending call. A deal must be struck up front. First, everything that was said about the goaltending call. In return, no researching Scott Foster/Tim Donaghy text message conversations, no writing complaint letters to the league office and no soaking rags in kerosene for long enough to read about the rest. Why? Because this was clearly the most entertaining basketball played at the Rose Garden since the 2011 playoff series against the Dallas Mavericks.
53 minutes of back-and-forth, tooth-and-nail basketball between two highly-motivated teams evaporated with six seconds remaining in regulation. Trailing 103-101, Thunder All-Star forward and 2-time defending scoring champion Kevin Durant drove hard to his left from the top of the key, shadowed by Blazers forward LaMarcus Aldridge. One of the few defenders in the league long and quick enough to recover defensively on Durant after he turned the corner, Aldridge rose a split-second after Durant, but with impeccable timing, and appeared to swat the ball into the backboard, causing it to ricochet to nearly halfcourt. The defensive play of Portland's season.
While Thunder guard James Harden gave chase into the backcourt, Foster was already swiftly moving the other direction, whistling repeatedly that Aldridge had illegally goaltended the ball by pinning it against the glass. After Foster signaled that the basket counted, McMillan erupted, shuffling and jumping to halfcourt as if his britches were aflame. Poor assistant coach Bernie Bickerstaff showed off Usain Bolt speed in tracking down his boss near midcourt to protect against the technical foul. But the goaltending call stood, the score was now tied, the Blazers failed to convert on a final offensive possession and the Thunder proceeded to prevail in overtime.
The referees exited the court to such harsh treatment from the Rose Garden crowd that the miffed, deflated reactions from the Blazers afterwards seemed like a picnic by comparison.
"I'm not trying to sound rude but it doesn't really matter," Aldridge began, doing his best to defuse the questions off the bat. But the inquiries kept coming and he eventually offered a peek or two at his true feelings.
"They act kind of sensitive sometimes," Aldridge said when asked whether the referees gave him an explanation of the call on the court. "He just told me the call was done and walked away."
Aldridge, who finished with a season-high 39 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 block and 1 steal on 14-for-28 shooting in 44 minutes, never thought for a moment that his play was a violation.
"I timed it perfect, I put it on the glass, it didn't hit the glass first," Aldridge said. "I figured it was a clean block. The ref who called it was the furthest one from the basket so that's pretty interesting."
Interesting like the flavor of your significant other's failed culinary experiment. Interesting like Amazon Ashley Adair's wardrobe. Interesting like the fact that my best friend lives with 42 cats and recently tried to get married to one of them.
Aldridge requested the referees take a look at the tape, to no avail.
"I saw it during the game, and i was like 'Y'all should go look at it.' They get their minds set up and they go with it. Hey, you can't change their mind."
Aldridge's teammates were unanimous: It was a block, there wa nothing else to say. Like Aldridge, McMillan was annoyed, both at the call and with the lack of an explanation from the officiating crew.
"I thought it was a good block," he said, looking emotionally drained after a home game for the first time all season. "That game should have been over.
"They didn't explain it. They said it was a block and that was pretty much it. I thought that was a good block and that game should have been over... What can you do? Nothing we can do. We'll send that in [to NBA office for review]."
This season, the NBA launched NBA.com/official, a website where it has posted clarifications and explanations of controversial calls and missed calls. Perhaps Aldridge will wind up on there.
Thunder coach Scott Brooks, meanwhile, did what any intelligent coach would do in his situation: he claimed ignorance and de-emphasized.
"I didn't look at it," Brooks said. "I saw it live. The referees... it's a hard game. We won the game. I'm happy we won the game. It was a tough game that could have gone either way. I don't think one call is a difference-maker. There are a hundred plays in each game, and we did a pretty good job."
There are a hundred plays in each game and there were some damn good ones in this one.
Don't let Foster distract you and don't allow those deeply upset with Foster fool you: this was the best game I've seen in person in almost 10 months.
"It was one of those wins where you come back in the locker room a little emotional," Durant admitted, beaming, after scoring 33 points and adding 7 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 steal and 1 block.
Russell Westbrook threw a beautiful alley-oop pass to Durant, which he powered down. Aldridge put in multiple impossible fadeaways, hitting at Dirk Nowitzki angles with Hakeem Olajuwon smoothness. James Harden slithered in tribute to Spurs guard Manu Ginobili, meandering in his unique, roundabout way to the rim for two points. Nicolas Batum's defense was rewarded with multiple charge calls -- infuriating Thunder fans -- including a near game-changing charge on Thunder big man Serge Ibaka with less than a minute to go in regulation. Earlier, Batum, who finished with 13 points, 3 rebounds, 1 assist, 3 steals and 1 block, hit Durant with a pump fake and crossover combination, before swooping to the rim, where he finished the lay-up and drew the foul. In overtime, Westbrook rose high to snare an offensive rebound -- his knack for crashing the glass on that end is as unique a gift as there is in the NBA -- that eventually set up Durant for a dagger jumper with two minutes remaining in the extra period. Big play after big play after big play.
The Thunder are a top-5 offensive team. They boast three All-Star caliber players with elite shot-creating ability and budding reputations for late-game shot-making. During his pre-game media availability, Brooks made very clear his vision of his team.
"We want it to be a fourth quarter game," he said. "We like playing fourth quarter basketball games. We think we've gotten better at closing games. We've got guys who can hit big shots."
Quietly, the Blazers are now a top-5 defensive team in the NBA. That rating bolstered in part by some truly unusual blowouts at home but it's also evidence of a team that can lock down any team in the league on a given night. Not every night, but on any given night.
From the 11:03 mark of the fourth quarter to the 2:05 mark of the fourth quarter -- nearly nine minutes of crunchtime, the Thunder juggernaut managed just six points total, watching an 89-83 lead turn into a 101-95 deficit. Portland's best defensive unit -- Jamal Crawford, Nicolas Batum, Gerald Wallace, LaMarcus Aldridge plus a big man -- was the key to that 18-6 run. During the stretch, the Thunder were hit with multiple offensive fouls, they settled for deep shots time and again, they had their blocked shots and they went one-and-done too often for comfort.
"I'm the smallest guy on the court at 6-foot-5 so that's pretty cool," Crawford said about Portland's closing lineup, after he finished with 18 points, 3 rebounds, 4 assists and 3 turnovers in 44 minutes after starting for the first time in place of the injured Raymond Felton. "We can do some things."
It wasn't the first time the lineup has made a serious impact on a game, and it won't be the last. And if you're looking for an explanation for McMillan's emotional frustration, that stretch of play is the reason his britches were aflame at Foster, the reason his body seemed so drained afterwards. Because it's one thing to feel jobbed on a call. It's another to feel jobbed on a call after you just watched your team, which has folded over and over already this season, play possibly its best two-way stretch of crunch time basketball of the year. That's not a gut punch. That's an attempted gut punch that wound up landing a foot too low.
Blazers guard Wesley Matthews, who finished with 18 points, 3 rebounds, 4 assists and 2 steals, said McMillan's post-game message to the team was simple: "We gave away that game."
There's truth to that, without question. After the dominant mid-fourth quarter stretch, Portland reverted to a significantly lesser version of itself. The Blazers missed a number of chances opportunities to close the door, they couldn't get multiple crucial defensive rebounds and they botched a key overtime possession without getting off a good shot. Aldridge, who was dropping jaws on press row throughout much of the game, wound up shooting 3-for-11 in the fourth quarter and overtime, forcing a number of tough shots over Thunder center Kendrick Perkins, who seemed to push him further and further out to the perimeter.
"We're developing that," McMillan said, when asked if his team is lacking a true closer on offense. "That guy is LaMarcus, he's the guy we're going to play through down the stretch. That is something he'll get more opportunities to do. I thought he was doing some good things for us. We had pretty deep post position and now we have to make the plays. We had our shooters on the floor. We've got to make plays to win games."
If a frustrated McMillan provided cover for his superstar, he didn't pull punches everywhere else, calling out his team's inability to rebound as instructed and its collective failure to make offensive plays down the stretch. He saved his harshest criticism for Batum, who had a chance to provide a winning margin on Portland's final offensive play in regulation. Batum's running lay-up attempt was blocked by Westbrook at the rim.
"You can't finesse that ball," McMillan said, his voice edging close to disgust. "You've got to dunk it. If you finesse it, you give the officials a chance to let the play go. If you go in there and you dunk it or attempt to dunk it, especially when you have an open drive like that, you put the pressure on the officials to make the call. You have to power that. I've talked to Nic about that."
The play was designed identically to a sideline out of bounds play used against the Utah Jazz in a similar late-game situation last week. Aldridge received the ball at the top of the key with a decision to make: hand off to Batum, who rubs off of him, or keep the ball and work his man.
"Coach is thinking with Nic's length and speed, getting some momentum running at you," Crawford explained. "He's long, he can cover a lot of ground, Coach thinks Nic can get to the basket or get fouled."
In Utah, the play saw a handoff which ended with Batum crashing to the floor with a bone contusion in his right knee. On Monday, Batum again received the handoff according to plan, turning the corner into the paint with an unobstructed path to the basket. As he is wont to do, Westbrook flew in high to get a piece of the shot attempt. An All-Star play, pure and simple.
"You can't go in and get small," McMillan said, mimicking with his arms the act of shrinking from contact while in the air. "I thought he went in and got small... Clear lane, good execution, you have to finish it."
"He's got confidence in me and I have to give it back to him," Batum said of McMillan's decision to run things through him on that potential game-winning play. "Of course [I'm frustrated]."
It's not the damaged pride of a blowout defeat or the embarrassment of a lackluster no-show. It's the torture of a victory just beyond the grasp; the agony of a series of coin flip plays going against you again and again; the helplessness at an arbiter's decision that seems incomprehensible to the defeated party. A loss like that will always hurt the most.
In this case, it would be a mistake to let that pain become blinding.
Random Game Notes
- Craig "The Rhino" Smith prefers the following things instead of other things, according to a jumbotron video feature: Ninjas over Pirates, Harry Potter over Lord of the Rings, Sylvester Stallone over Arnold Schwarzenegger, Superman over Spiderman, Pasta over Pizza, a DJ over a Band, Hot Dogs over Cheeseburgers and Sand over Snow. He enjoys bubble baths and showers equally.
- Before the game, feline enthusiast Kevin Pelton of Basketball Prospectus asked me to run my "Shake" numbers for LaMarcus Aldridge this season. In case you need a refresher, "Shake" measures game-to-game scoring consistency. It's long been my opinion that great scorers are voluminous, efficient and consistent, and that we don't give nearly enough credit to the consistency factor. At KP2's request, I ran "Shake" ratings for every year of Aldridge's career and every year of Brandon Roy's career. Aldridge is not only having the most consistent season of his career, by far, he's been more consistent so far this season than Roy was during any of his 5 seasons. Pelton will have more on Aldridge's consistency on Tuesday.
- It was a funny coincidence, given that pre-game conversation, that Aldridge's season-high 39 points on Monday night represented the largest individual game "Shake" of his season. In other words, at no point this year has his scoring output been farther from his scoring average.
- Brooks said before the game that Aldridge has his All-Star vote.
- Durant took exception to some talking that Portland apparently did after the Blazers beat the Thunder in OKC earlier this year. It's not exactly clear whether he was referring to Raymond Felton's criticism of Westbrook, Aldridge's Jim Rome interview when he said he thought Portland was a top team in the West, or something else that was said privately. Anyway, his quote on the subject after Monday's game: "It wasn't really too offensive. Of course, they said they thought they were the better team, they're the best team in the West, all that stuff. It's cool for them to say. They beat us and we had to take it all. Ever since then, we've gotten better, they've gotten better. Tonight was a battle between two tough teams and I'm glad we came out on top."
- The 6-for-18 shooting from Crawford jumps out of the box score. Can't excuse it but, overall, Portland did about as well as could have been hoped in Felton's absence. Crawford on his play as starting point guard: "Only three turnovers. I think it was OK. More than the assists, I thought we had a pretty good flow to what we were doing [offensively]." Totally agree, until the last few minutes.
- Even a little offensive push from Gerald Wallace would have been big in this even battle. Instead, 2-for-9 shooting in 38 minutes.
- Darnell Mayberry of The Oklahoman with some very thorough and interesting game notes.
Nate McMillan's Post-Game Comments
Block/ goaltend call on LaMarcus Aldridge
I thought it was a good block. That game should have been over.
How did the refs explain it?
They didn't explain it. They said it was a block and that was pretty much it. I thought that was a good block and that game should have been over.
Blazers' performance
We've got to make plays down the stretch regardless of that call. We have to rebound. If we get a rebound we seal the deal also. We've got to make plays offensively. We have opportunities, we have shots, we have to put the ball in the hole. Regardless of calls we still had an opportunity to win that game if we do the things necessary. Rebound the ball. Offensively you execute. You attack, put the ball in the basket. Normally the fourth quarter and close games like that, it's going to come down to making plays. They made the plays. They made buckets when they needed to. They got second opportunities when they needed to. And they got defensive stops to give themselves a chance to win the game.
Did you want LaMarcus Aldridge to take the shot from the block in overtime?
I thought he was pretty deep. That was certainly where we wanted to go. When you get that opportunity, you have to put it in the hole.
How do you explain the rebounding disparity?
We talked about that at the beginning of the game. You explain it by, we didn't execute it. We talked about this being a second shot team, their bigs are physical and go to the boards and Westbrook is one of the best rebounding guards in the league. I think I can recall maybe two big offensive rebounds that he had in the fourth quarter. I think one late. You've got to just always keep an eye on him when you're guarding him. The gameplan was, whoever is guarding him, when the shot is taken, don't worry about going in. Put a body on him. He came up with some big plays and they just dominated the boards.
How frustrating was the goaltend call?
Again, what can you do? Nothing we can do. We'll send that in. I thought it was a good block. They didn't call it that way and you have to go out and play.
Are you missing a closer?
We're developing that. That guy is LaMarcus, he's the guy we're going to play through down the stretch. That is something he'll get more opportunities to do. I thought he was doing some good things for us. We had pretty deep post position and now we have to make the plays. We had our shooters on the floor. We've got to make plays to win games.
Batum's last drive to the basket in regulation
That's a play where it's open. You can't finesse that ball. You've got to dunk it. If you finesse it, you give the officials a chance to let play go. If you go in there and you dunk it or attempt to dunk it, especially when you have an open drive like that, you put the pressure on the officials to make the call. You have to power that. I've talked to Nic about that. You can't go in and get small. I thought he went in and got small and I don't know if it was Durant who had the block but clear lane, good execution, you have to finish it.
-- Ben Golliver | benjamin.golliver@gmail.com | Twitter
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Lol at OKC players puffing out their chest after the win. You know it would be silent in the locker room if Portland wins this.
What is Perkins thinking opening his mouth? Aldridge just dropped 39 on you. You want it to be 50 next time? Why don’t you remember that.
by BRoyInThe4th on Feb 7, 2012 2:35 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
lol.
You want it to be 50 next time? Why don’t you remember that.
Sometimes the Zombies sound real young and real emotional, and I think it’s gonna be damaging in the postseason. Yes, they’re a very good team, but they have some glaring weaknesses and are subject to some bad decision-making in key moments. A smart, veteran team hitting their stride could absolutely knock them out in the playoffs.
"If you can do a half-assed job of anything, you're a one-eyed man in a kingdom of the blind."
by thankyouforblaze on Feb 7, 2012 2:45 AM PST up reply actions
Craig Aced the Quiz...
Craig “The Rhino” Smith prefers the following things instead of other things according to a jumbotron video feature: Ninjas over Pirates, Harry Potter over Lord of the Rings, Sylvester Stallone over Arnold Schwarzenegger, Superman over Spiderman, Pasta over Pizza, a DJ over a Band, Hot Dogs over Cheeseburgers and Sand over Snow. He enjoys bubble baths and showers equally.
Couple observations:
-that weak Batum take to the hoop hurt, as I thought he had the jump on Westbrook and he botched it (a la Wesley Matthews style).
-LaMarcus Allstar without a doubt
-the front office needs to seriously consider looking at some possible trades at the loss of a couple guys.
As much as certain guys are or aren’t key members, everyone besides LA needs to be looked at if they can grab a key cog to this semi-well-oiled machine. It would be wonderful to upgrade at PG and Center, as Felton and Jamal don’t equal a Steve Nash, and Camby and Kurt don’t equal a Marcin Gortat or JaVale McGee.
anyways, great report Ben.
"If you can do a half-assed job of anything, you're a one-eyed man in a kingdom of the blind."
by thankyouforblaze on Feb 7, 2012 2:39 AM PST reply actions
Good coaching by nate today
I so wish players would have rewarded him (and fans…) with the win. I am not the last to blame him when he messes up, but today he did not hesitate with rotations and the blazers had their chance in the end.
Concerning nic, he really has to hit big plays, at least till felton is back (since otherwise the regular starter with or without crawford would be in most likely). Even if his energy and his defense helped for the come back undoubtedly.
Kudos to LMA for his game, lack of rebound or not, he could not be stop in offense today. Hopefully, nic will get a more reliable jumper, and get more used with big plays. that’s really what he needs to show now, because this team can’t really rely on its guards so far (even though crawford was not so bad today, he should have even shoot that jumper 2" from the end).
Mike and Mike said that Nic's knee might have been to sore to "elevate"
I don’t know, but I do know after the SAS game last year, Batum is not afraid to elevate and dunk with authority.
hg
by BBK on Feb 7, 2012 7:28 AM PST up reply actions
Sorely hurt and disappointed
Truthfully i dont care how exciting this game was. To lose it because of a bad ref call is beyond disheartening. After what should have been a win in Sacramento, this is a little too painful to be able to enjoy a good game. Sadly the moment it hit overtime i know we were cooked. I would love to see the stat of how many overtime games we’ve won in the last 20? 25? Not that i want to overly negative, but as a fan this is tough to swallow.
Blah. With that said. Good game guys.
by Christopher Butler on Feb 7, 2012 3:05 AM PST reply actions
Yeah. Both teams played hard...
What sticks in my craw is that we have seen several games where the Blazers beat themselves. This time Blazers did great only to be beat by Scott Foster.
"Luke is our go-to Chalupa man," Matthews said. "Designated."
While I might agree with you
WE DID GIVE UP 3 OFFENSIVE REBOUNDS IN THAT ! SEQUENCE.
That was the bad call of bad calls.
Can they review it? If they can, why didn’t they?
those are the questions I have. BUT
RE-freaking-bound and we win
"What and how much had I lost by trying to do only what was expected of me instead of what I myself had wished to do?"
— Ralph Ellison (Invisible Man)
Even the rebound they did review
where Camby was pulling the ball in and Perkins hit it out, was not overturned. For some reason every time it showed the Refs looking at their monitor they were doing it from a mid court camera… dont know how they expected to get the angle on that…. Either way I was hoping the overtime would spur the blazers to prove they were the better team and dominate. They just can’t seem to seal the deal in overtime, this will probably be a good lesson to them though, games like this make the blazers a better team at the end of the day…
The tensions are so high because the stakes are so low!
unfortunately we're not a better team than OKC, although we did have them beat essentially
and that goaltend was extremely deflating to the team and the arena. It was rockin in there for the last couple minutes of regulation until it started raining boos. I could hardly bring myself to clap in OT, everything was just tainted.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Goaltending is a type of play that could be reviewable
and I now demand that it should be added to the list of reviewable plays!
#7
by Magnum on Feb 7, 2012 4:43 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
That is the part that pisses me off
They review 3…count em….3 …out of bounds calls …but can’t review that one
"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"
the problem of course
is that would setup a situation where you can review a goaltending call that WAS made, but note one that WASN’T made.
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
ball is stopped on the "score"
so a review should be able to give us a jump ball. No calls are a problem but you have to do what you can. Really shouldn’t be calling goal tend from half court with 6 seconds left anyways.
Shoot I’d be fine if they gave the Thunder the ball back even. Just make them prove it.
That was an awesome game tainted by a bad call.
It wasn’t a ticky tack foul or a blatant no call either. It was a call that awarded another team points that didn’t deserve it. Yeah, they had other opportunities, but a team still unjustly had a second chance.
I don’t need to see a record to know that this season it’s the Blazers 2 and the Thunder 0.
Like in football a game changing call should be an automatic review.
Above all get it right.
Loud pipes save lives!
Bad knees break hearts!
Time for an exorcism.
Totally Destroyed me with this comment Ben:
Interesting like the fact that my best friend lives with 42 cats and recently tried to get married to one of them.
I think I snorted my beak off on that one.
Rockets fan here
Felt really bad when I saw what happened. To be jobbed on a referee call sucks. Really fun game to watch for a nuetral observer though.
I hope you guys take down the Thunder.
We did take down the Thunder
Then the ref took down us
"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"
Yeah, their 20 fast break points to Portlands.. what 8?
Don’t hate me because I feel it never should have come down to 1 bad call.
yeah blown opportunities
Nics little layup attempt should have been a dunk. Also irritating that they let the bad call knock the wind out of their sails.
the arena was crushed and spent
the fans were in shock for the entire overtime. It was over after Westbrook fouled batum on the final play with no call. (which I ordinarily agree should be a no call in that situation, but given the goal tend give away at the 6 second mark they ought to have called westbrooks chest colliding with Nic’s shoulder ten feet above ground a foul)
that said, if we rebound any one of their first 3 misses in that final sequence we win…
"What and how much had I lost by trying to do only what was expected of me instead of what I myself had wished to do?"
— Ralph Ellison (Invisible Man)
it shouldn't have
but it did. We were down 11 late in the 3rd, so getting to the point where we’re up 103-101 with 6 seconds left is an achievement.
As others have noted, this was a career defining moment for LMA, and it makes me sick that it was stripped from him.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
yep
LeBron or Dwight or any other “superstar” would not have been called for goaltending. which is in essence the very worst aspect of the NBA.
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
by douglast on Feb 7, 2012 9:57 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
doesn't make it ok
officials jobs should be to protect the integrity of the game, not make sure Kevin Durant gets gifts he doesn’t need or deserve
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
yeah, I know
I guess I’m not clear on what the function of officials are in the NBA. I watch all sports, and I think the NBA is far and away the most questionable from a parity and integrity standpoint. And that kills me because I’m a basketball player and I live in Portland, where we have one major pro sports team. It’s the sport I least want to have to question
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
In other sports it's not as extreme.
The NBA markets individual players like no other sport. Those few individuals always get priority. Sure in baseball a guy with a notorisouly good eye at the plate will earn the benefit of the doubt on close calls, and same goes with good pitchers. Or a star quarterback might get a little more protection. But in my opinion those don’t compare to the integrity crippling culture of the NBA where if Durant or LeBron is breathed on they go the line. Aldridge because of who he is and the place he plays doesn’t have a spot reserved in the halls of NBA entitlement.
it's by far more prevalent in the nba than other sports
just a product of the game. basketball involves about 100 bang bang judgement calls every single game. baseball (not counting balls/strikes) might have a couple per game. football maybe 10 or so.
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
Not much of a football guy, so I'll take your word for it
My three favorite sports are basketball, baseball and soccer, and I can certainly say that big soccer clubs get favorable officiating and stars get the benefit of the doubt on ball strike calls.
balls and strikes matter. a lot.
and just because the TV doesn’t analyze off-ball secondary play or line play doesn’t mean there aren’t like five judgment calls that happen there on every play.
i keep dancing on my own.
well, baseball can easily fix balls/strikes if they want to
the computer technology is available right now, and is used on TV already. the computer can accurately call balls and strikes with no variance and no bias, and be consistent pitcher to pitcher, batter to batter, game to game, team to team.
They just don’t have the will to do it.
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
I like that each umpire has their own strike zone
the important thing is consistency
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
ugh really??!!?
that’s just awful.
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
I played and still play baseball
I like that it’s not robotic strictly from a strike zone perspective.
Balls and strikes should never be reviewable like a serve in tennis. I think it’s part of the character of the sport.
Home plate umps wouldn’t even be calling balls and strikes if they did that because they simply have different perceptions and definitions of what the strike zone is and what constitutes a ball and a strike.
I love that about baseball, and I’m a pretty diehard Giants fan.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
im not saying review
im saying remove the umpire and just let the computer call the balls strikes straight away. i’d guess you would have to keep the ump there for home plate calls.
agree to disagree on this point I guess.
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
I, too, am in favor of getting it right 100% of the time if we have the technology to do so, even if it takes away some of the old school charm of the game.
I understand that perspective
and I’m all for expanding replay and the use of technology in almost all situations…but don’t take the punchout away from baseball.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
does this call go to the Packers because the NFL wants the dominant team from the regular season to advance? Who knows…
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2012/1/15/2709639/giants-vs-packers-greg-jennings-fumble-video
i keep dancing on my own.
at least it was the 1st quarter
speaking of which, I thought Daequan Cook hit a 3 in the 2nd quarter where his foot may have been on the line, but I don’t think it ever got looked at. I’ll have to check the dvr.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
I think people are vastly more amenable to NFL officiating because the announcers are neutral and because almost no emphasis is given to what happens off the ball. A lot of pundits who are smarter than I have been saying the officiating on line play in the playoffs was atrocious, though I have no real way of verifying that.
i keep dancing on my own.
well
I know that the number of penalties called, particularly pass interference and holding, dropped off a cliff during the playoffs. Or at least that’s my impression. But I’m ok with the postseason being more physical.
The thing about the NFL though is that they do a great job with replays. They show 8 different angles within 15 seconds of the play. It seemed that they wouldn’t show a replay last night until the review was complete, at the RG and on the tv broadcast (for the out of bounds calls anyway).
I think NFL officials are better than NCAAF officials. I was at the Oregon – Oklahoma game awhile back when Oregon was awarded an onside kick that Oklahoma literally recovered. Still not sure what happened there.
Regardless though, of the major pro sports the NBA has the biggest integrity perception problem when it comes to fair and balanced officiating.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
yes pro reffing is better than college reffing. I do agree that the perception is a problem, though if we’re comparing sports I’m not sure it’s bigger than the NFL and NHL’s issues of basically using window dressing to try to assuage the fears that those sports are causing severe quality of life issues for a considerable number of players and also probably slowly killing some of those as well.
i keep dancing on my own.
as terrible as that is
and as right as you are about it…it’s different when the perception revolves around the integrity of the competition itself.
If the winners didn’t really win or the losers didn’t really lose, what does any of it matter? Why even play?
The NFL and NHL need to go further and be more open and honest about the health issues those sports cause. But the players are still voluntarily choosing to put themselves at risk for that profession.
It’s one thing to enter the Colisseum as a Gladiator, it’s another to get your head chopped off even though you won the fight.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
yeah I don’t think the NBA did enough post-Donaghy to clear it up, but people seem to both think it’s WWE and still manage to watch in near record numbers, so I don’t even really know what to think at this point.
i keep dancing on my own.
yeah, the NBA couldn't sweep donaghy under the rug fast enough
despite all the questions and stuff about other refs being involved (like all the calls to foster), as far as I’ve seen they never released anything other than a blanket ’we found no other guys" statement.
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
There are times when teams are evenly matched
what about then?….or when a lesser team is upsetting a better team …what about then?
Listen …I hate the argument you make because it can be made to any game ….the refs could fail to call a single foul against your opponent while allowing them to wack you all game long and you could still say : “well …you should have been tougher” or “You should have adjusted to how they were calling the game and made your shots anyway” That is a cop out ….I would understand if you were the coach of the Blazers …. I would have you tell them exactly that. …..players need to think that way….but you aren’t the coach …and we are a spectator fans….we can face the actual truth …that sometimes games are close ….and refs screw up the result ….by one or multiple bad calls. And late game calls are the worst …..because there is little or no chance to reverse them. Plus sometimes …against good teams ….you only really get one chance to win that game …and when that is ripped off from you …it pisses you off.
"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"
by 92wastheyear on Feb 7, 2012 10:12 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I am usually just happy that the Blazers keeps their head in the game
Regardless of whether we win or lose if we play the game right and give ourselves a chance to win I am happy, and I should be happy now because the Blazers played one heck of a game. I was half way out my door to do the work I postponed to watch the game thinking that the game was ours. I am completely frustrated and disappointed. Not at the team but at the bogus calls to the elite teams. The Thunders are a great team, they don’t need the help from the officials.
Nevertheless we should not let officials calls get in our heads and change how we are playing which may have been the changing factor of the over-time play.
hg
Aldridged robbed of a career defining moment
This was a Travis shot to beat Memphis or even a Brandon three at the buzzer against Houston moment for Aldridge. The kind of play that can propel a player and team into a new found zone of confidence. All taken away by a ref who could not have seen a goaltend because there wasn’t one. LA will have more moments but it is unfortunate that today isn’t about fans finally praising Aldridge for not only beasting all night but for closing out a win by sending back a shot from arguably the best player in the NBA on the last play of the game. I hope they can put it behind them because I am having a hard time putting it behind me.
PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04
And if he would have blocked out at all he also would have gotten it
But he didn’t.
by heybabydrinkyourmilk on Feb 7, 2012 7:55 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
over simplifying
guys were going up repeatedly to contest shots that were either right in the paint or coming off the rim long. It’s tough to box a guy out when you’re already in the air. Also, you have a 7 footer doing 40% of your scoring against double and triple teams all night long.
At some point you need to decide where the energy gets spent. Less scoring from Aldridge?
yeah i guess less scoring
If that’s what it takes to block guys out. Less leaking out to get in better position to score, and more blocking out to keep those guys off the offensive boards. They out-rebounded the Blazers by 20. They nearly got as many offensive rebounds as the blazers got defensive rebounds. The Blazers had that game in the bag if they only would have gotten 1 of the three defensive rebounds at the end of regulation. But Ibaka got his 6th and 7th offensive rebounds right past both Aldridge and Wallace, then Westbrook got his 5th and they scored to tie the game. 6 rebounds nullifies any congratulating I would otherwise like to give to the guy on offense (where he was thoroughly impressive all night, especially going to his left).
by heybabydrinkyourmilk on Feb 7, 2012 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
Our big man rotation consists of an awesome but essentially finesse PF, and two of the oldest players in the nBA
one of which is undersized to begin with. It’s no wonder that the likes of Perkins, Ibaka, Durant, and Westbrook outrebound us. We could have done better with it, but from my perspective it’s a roster/draft problem.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Going small at the end of games does not help either
Sliding Aldridge to the 5 and Wallace to the 4 is not a good idea unless the team is behind, or they are playing a much smaller team, that isn’t out-rebounding them by 20. A notorious McMillan preset dating back to 2008 when he did the same thing with Channing Frye and Joel Przybilla, with the same result as last night. Three offensive rebounds in a row at the end of regulation, the third resulting in the game tier. Plus KD gets to the rim without any sort of impedance.
by heybabydrinkyourmilk on Feb 7, 2012 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
I don't mind that
again because I think it’s a product of the roster. It makes sense to get Wallace and Batum on the court together. And if Batum is at the 2 then we should rebound better, so I agree there.
But it doesn’t change the fact that this team has no center that isn’t either:
- undersized
- geriatric
- a stick man
- two or all three of the above
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Every team makes mistakes in every game
That you can point to as reasons for a loss. Even the winning team does not play a flawless game. The point is that the Blazers made a lot of mistakes and rose above those mistakes to earn a win that was taken away. Your perspective is true on one level but it does not make my perspective untrue.
PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04
by tssbro on Feb 7, 2012 11:03 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I agree with you
I can see a referee missing a call, but can’t see them calling ones they don’t see. Add in the even more egregious call on Camby’s block on Westbrook, and you have yourself a despicable human being jobbing for the NBA.
by heybabydrinkyourmilk on Feb 7, 2012 12:09 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
The game was not well officiated fro
PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04
by tssbro on Feb 7, 2012 1:44 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Beat me to it.
Nothing short of amazing game by Aldridge – overshadowed
Campaigning to remove "Free-throw Guy" from the Rose Garden.
Look at the way USA Today describes it in the first paragraph:
PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) – A satisfying victory for Oklahoma City was a head-scratcher for Portland. Kevin Durant, right, poured in 33 points to help the Thunder hand the Trail Blazers just their second home loss of the season. But the focus of the game fell on a goaltending call on Blazers forward LaMarcus Aldridge with six seconds left in regulation that tied the game at 103 and would send it into overtime.
gag me
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Westbrook was OKC's best player last night
and Aldridge was the best player in the game.
What really blew me away was the ref that made the call was clear out at midcourt.
Yet the ref at the baseline that would have the best view, no call!
Loud pipes save lives!
Bad knees break hearts!
Time for an exorcism.
Interesting reaction on Batum
McMillan is right, of course – but also showing tough love to help his young player develop. A dunk would have been an All Star move – instead of giving Westbrook the opportunity for the All Star play.
Next time.
Overall, Batum had an interesting game. Excellent one on one defense – not so good on at least two pick and rolls later in the game. Either he thought he was supposed to switch on the P&R or he turned his head at the wrong time. Didn’t make 3’s – but shot them well. Some bad luck there. Rest of his game was pretty dang good – if not awesome – until the last play.
Aldridge was incredible. More rebounds would have been good. Blazers made a run when he started rebounding.
Crawford was decent as the PG in a very tough matchup. I’d like to see him play more, there. He will be better against just about any other PG in the league.
N. Smith wasn’t deplorable. Step up in an important game.
Wesley has no handles. In spite of his productive game – that is what sticks out to me the most.
Wallace needs to get his head back. But, he isn’t being used to his strength, either. Part of that is he is the one leading way too many fast breaks/transitions. Give the ball up and run the wing, Gerald. Crash the boards, Gerald. Don’t hang out for the corner 3, Gerald. Don’t run the high pick and roll with LMA, Gerald. Team needs to find Gerald coming off multiple picks/screens down in the post if they want to make best use of him. Then Gerald needs to hit a 2-foot shot. Go ahead and clear out for Gerald more than once a game against Durant. Give Gerald some love.
McMillan called some plays I wasn’t happy with – especially in crunch time. Was Aldridge waiting for the double team by design? Why was Wallace handling the ball at the top of the key or in the corner in the half-court sets? Why didn’t we see Crawford running more pick and roll with Aldridge – especially in crunch time?
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
Wesley's handles are awful. Every time I see him dribbling the ball I cringe.
Is it going to be stolen while he’s dribbling? Is he going to dribble into a crowd and lose it? Is his pass going to be stolen? Is he going to pass the ball into the crowd? Is he going to chuck up the basketball with the shot clock running out? Ugggh..I just want the ball OUT OF HIS HANDS.
Refs are part of the game
you just have to let it go. A real contender will rise above the call and win anyway. Sure the call sucked, but it happens to everyone. If you don’t want refs then play x-box instead. Whining and complaining about it sounds stupid. Broke my heart to lose this one. I’ll forgive it though, if we can start winning on the road…
Well ...in my opinin ..people who ignore game changing bad calls are stupid
so I guess it is even
"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"
by 92wastheyear on Feb 7, 2012 8:36 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
or maybe ...no one is stupid ...or whiners
"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"
yeah it can't be changed
but I’m ok with Scott Foster getting flak for this. Who cares what it sounds like? It shouldn’t have been called.
The sub par officiating seen year after year in the NBA
that causes the questionable integrity of the league to constantly be an elephant in the room does not need to be “part of the game.”
Scott Foster gets paid six figures to be the best in the world at his profession, which is officiating basketball. For you to tell us that it’s stupid, whiney, and complainy to hold this man to a reasonable standard of performance when we’re clearly so emotionally invested in this sport…well I don’t even know what to say to that.
That call was egregious, and it wasn’t the only poor officiating decision he made in the final 1:30 of that game.
You simply do not make that call from that position in that situation unless you are POSITIVE, because there were two officials (Scott Foster’s teammates) closer to the play with better angles. That call directly affected the outcome of this game and it was 1000% the wrong call. Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, that being a basketball official SHOULD be about is avoiding exactly that scenario.
Scott Foster has a questionable history, the Thunder are the NBA’s little darlings, and this league has seen the most public officiating scandal of the current millennium. I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but if I was I’d be typing out a 2,000 word fanpost right now.
I know a person who is absolutely convinced that the NBA is not a level playing field. That things are influenced to the point of being nearly predetermined. I got furious when I even heard that insinuated because it attacks the root of why we love sports…a true competition between two sides to determine one legitimate winner. What’s scary is that they have far more connections to the players and the league than I do or will ever have. Who am I to call them crazy? How can I be so sure when year after year the best basketball officials in the world piss down their legs?
I love basketball, I love the NBA, but it’s unequivocally the fault of the NBA that I can’t be sure that these games are 100% on the up and up. I hate that. THEY DON’T NEED IT. The product would be fine without their influence. Part of me hopes for more Donaghy-type revelations from other officials so we can shine light and cleanse this quagmire.
The equivalent of Foster’s blunder(s) would mean trouble for anyone in any profession. It’s the exact opposite of what he is there to do. For many of us it would be the equivalent of losing your company money, failing a kid who actually passed, making the wrong medical diagnosis, etc… Whatever you get paid to do, imagine doing the exact opposite of that and then telling the critics that they sound stupid for whining and complaining.
I guess I’m not sure exactly what Scott Foster gets paid to do. There’s no accountability by design. Is he there to officiate a game to the best of his ability? If that’s the best of his ability should he be officiating games in the NBA? Or is he working with a slightly different agenda?
Regardless, he deserves whatever he gets (short of threats, etc…). Might as refer to that goaltending call as MJ, because you cannot defend it.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Feb 7, 2012 9:50 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I summoned my inner Krang for this one
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
exactly
it’s not the fact that it was a bad call so much as the circumstances behind it. if the guy standing at the hoop makes the call, and does it immediately, you say “well, it was bang bang, and he was right there. turned out he was wrong, but that happens”. But when the guy 40 feet away with the worst possible angle overrules the two closer officials with better views, and comes in and does it really late after the fact, that just doesn’t sit right. This should be one of the key things the NBA tells it’s officials – you don’t come in late, and you don’t overrule guys in better position unless you are sure of what you saw.
Bottom line – don’t guess.
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
with how emphatically he made that call
which was a big middle finger to the entire Rose Garden by the way, I’m not sure he was guessing.
That means he either dissed his officiating crew by making a call from the worst position of the group in a critical moment, in which case it’s an absolutely inexcusable officiating error that warrants considerable to severe punishment…or he’s an official with a questionable past who is not there to uphold the integrity of the game but is there instead to advance the NBA’s marketing agenda, aka Kevin Durant and the stupid Thunder (who I want to dislike more than I actually do).
Either way it’s bad. I just have a hard time believing that one of the best basketball officials in the world overrode his crew and made that call from that position in that situation with those players and those teams because he was sure he saw a goaltend. You know why? Because he didn’t see a goaltend. Because no goaltend occurred. And the officials whose call it was to make, with better positions and angles, didn’t blow their whistles. For a reason.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
yeah rookie mistake for a seasoned ref
has fishy written all over it.
it's not even a rookie mistake by NBA official standards
because by the time you earn that position in the world’s top basketball league, you should have already proven that you are more knowledgable, more accurate, more experienced, etc…than 99.9% of all basketball officials.
What we’re talking about here isn’t even Officiating 101, it’s like remedial learn-at-your-own-speed refereeing, it’s like color-by-numbers refereeing. You defer to the refs with better positions/angles. You don’t make a call in the last 10 seconds, especially a blatantly incorrect call, that is a determining factor unless it is so obvious that the blatantly wrong thing to do is not call it. But if that was the case then the other officials would have caught it.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
exactly
end of game, you don’t call anything (foul, goaltend, out of bounds – ANYTHING!) unless it’s clear and obvious. that’s kind of like officiating 101.
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
This is great
Here is one of mine in a similar vein
"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"
by 92wastheyear on Feb 7, 2012 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
good stuff
before I was a member
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
it is acutally emblamatic of a wider cultural problem
those making 6 figures and above are rarely held to account.
look at government. National security advisor when the largest attack on the continental united states occurs, a patent security failure if there ever was one, get promoted. Botch (intentionally or otherwise) the intellegence reporting as CIA chief get the medal of freedom.
Business, create the largest single financial catastrophe for this nation and the world, sending into years of recession and costing millions their livelihoods, do you get fired? no. does your bonus get cut? no. do you get prosecuted? no
Drive a company into the ground, get a golden parachute to “step aside”
There is no accountability anymore unless you are a middle class or lower wage earner, then all they talk about is accountability for you. Them, no way.
"What and how much had I lost by trying to do only what was expected of me instead of what I myself had wished to do?"
— Ralph Ellison (Invisible Man)
by PDXBuckeye on Feb 7, 2012 10:48 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Weird fact
Aldridge’s performance put him in the top 5 in scoring (believe it or not – that isn’t the weird part). The top five scorers are a compound L or a K (LeBron/LaMarcus; Kobe/Kevin/Kevin).
So when you name that newborn….
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
Uncle Jesse aproves!!

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"
Make them prove it
I think we can take the remaining match-ups with OKC this season. We need a starting PG and Jcross scoring for the bench but OKC got phenomenal games from their best players and still should have lost.
Give us Ray and we win by double digits. Perkins does way too much talking for a guy that got demolished all night long.
If the play had been correctly ruled a clean block, James Harden would have corralled the ball with about 5 seconds left near midcourt, enough time to get a decent look at a 3 for the win. Harden’s a 36% 3 point shooter, so I’ll estimate OKC would have had about a 20% chance to win (would have been a contested 3, Portland may have had a chance to respond). So, Portland’s win prob would have been about 80%.
With the terrible goaltend call made, Portland had a chance to win in regulation… I dunno, maybe 25%, and then of the remaining 75%, roughly a 50% chance to win in OT… so roughly a 60% win probability overall.
Those numbers are kind of pulled out of thin air, but if they are in the ballpark, the call was about a 20% shift in win probability, which is pretty huge. Can’t for sure way Portland would have won without it, and Portland still had a chance to win despite it, but it was a significant, unusual and terrible call. Not the only aspect of the game worth discussing, but worth discussing nonetheless.
Wasn't there a shot clock issue for OKC?
Durant had hit the underside of the basket on the previous play – but no change of possession. Then the goaltend/block. After the block – would OKC have had 5 seconds?
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
yeah this
Camby tipped out after the block. Assuming the Thunder ran it down instead of a Blazer chasing the ball into a fast break, they probably would only have had about 3 seconds and would have been blanketed.
The ball had a lot of momentum after the tip.
Yeah...and everyone stopped chasing it too before it was really corralled
so who knows who would have ended up with it or where. My sense is that it would about 3 quarter court with about 4 seconds left …but that is just a guess
"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"
the video clearly shows Harden would have corralled it near halfcourt with about 5 seconds left, and the shot clock was out.
He probably would got to it at half court ...with momentum carrying him toward the Blazer basket
while we don’t know how long (in time and distance) it would have taken to get the ball under control and change directions back toward the OKC basket ….I am positive it would take some time …and momentum would have carried him some distance …so I am ok with my estimate
"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"
I have no idea how you can watch that video and say 3 quarter court with 4 seconds is anything close to a reasonable estimate. It sure looks to me like Harden could have gotten control in OKC’s attacking half with a little over 5 seconds left if he’d wanted too (ie hadn’t heard the whistile).
Are you seriously bitching about this?
"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"
by 92wastheyear on Feb 7, 2012 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t think I’m bitching. I’m just trying to be accurate. When I hear people say “the game should have been over,” that’s not correct.
I don’t begrudge anyone for being upset about the call in this case, not one bit.
You giving me crap about couple of feet
and a half a second
"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"
by 92wastheyear on Feb 7, 2012 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
I'd have felt a million times better about the game if OKC did track it down and hit a legit gamewinner
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
I don't see why it would be a stretch
to be suspicious of this referee. If he was best friends with Donaghy, how far away could the mob have been (and still be) to have him in their pocket? I know he was cleared by the FBI and the league but that doesn’t mean that it’s not plausible that a motivation would exist for this guy to make bet making calls: The link in this article points to the point spread change and movement of money that is exactly like the games mentioned in this article on faniq.com
NBA-Ref-Scott-Foster-Was-Perfect-Against-The-Spread-In-Big-Money-Games-Blog-10294
google it: Scott Foster referee
During the 2006-07 period under investigation, seven games refereed by Scott Foster had lopsided enough betting on one team to move the point spread by at least 2 points; those seven teams were undefeated against Vegas – meaning that the big-money gamblers won a 7 of 7 times on Foster’s games; the odds of that happening randomly are less than 1%.
It would be interesting to see his history since 2008 in calls in close games.
It will be yanked from youtube soon then
"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"
okc vs. portland highlights...
brent barry says "oooooh… close, but cannot be overturned…)
This?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTppJTGf_Oo&feature=youtu.be
"Luke is our go-to Chalupa man," Matthews said. "Designated."
terrible commentating
just twisting the knife
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
There are about 4000 youtube videos out there that do that
"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"
by 92wastheyear on Feb 7, 2012 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
It works both ways, though.
Pulling it down is de facto proof that it was a bad call that probably determined the outcome of the game. Certainly they wouldn’t pull it if it was a defendable good call.
there is zero zero zero zero accountability
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Anybody else bummed that Kurt Thomas passed up that open jumpshot in the last seconds...
not only was it open, but it was his spot, too. You know what happened next…
Ahh well, deep down the Thunder know they still haven’t beaten us this season!
yeah
gotta shoot that
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
I was a little bummed
that at that point of the game it looked more like “hot potato” than basketball. Nobody wanted to take that shot…
"Luke is our go-to Chalupa man," Matthews said. "Designated."
I really liked seeing Batum take the last shot in the 4th.
Westbrook was extremely fortunate to get that wonderful block against Batum. I think he makes that 40 out fo 50 times if given the chance. He was open. You can’t fault that play. It shouldn’t have even occurred that way, had the goaltend been reversed.
yeah same
he needed to be more aggressive with it though.
I don't think his knee would let him.
He would have dunked that a week ago.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
by OCBlazerFan1 on Feb 7, 2012 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
if he couldn't go hard he needed to let Nate know
while the play was drawn up. That’s not really the play you cry injured on
this x a gazillion
let’s hope it’s lesson learned for Nico
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
GREAT PLAY BY NATE
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
I am sorrry Ben but when a call that bad is made at the end of the regulation
it invalidates all of this
…. this was clearly the most entertaining basketball played at the Rose Garden since the 2011 playoff series against the Dallas Mavericks.
"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"
by 92wastheyear on Feb 7, 2012 10:30 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
I said with about a minute left
“this is the best Blazer game I’ve ever been to”
now it’s just a tainted loss. One of the best plays of Aldridge’s career in one of the best games of his career completely wiped away. Now remembered by the AP as the night Durant scored 33 and the Blazers got their second home less.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
yeah that stinks
the media spin hurts worse than the “loss”. OKC brought everything they had, stole a win with a questionable call and then the media spins it as another great Durant victory. LMA ends up in the fine print if he’s lucky and Blazer fans blather on about him never being great until he can close 3 All-Stars out by himself.
I think it will even out for LMA eventually…hopefully.
here's a question
it seems Lamarcus is becoming better than many of us ever thought he could be. I mean, the guy’s approaching 25 ppg.
Is it possible that with continued growth and a legit partner on the perimeter who could create shots (DWill, Eric Gordon, etc…) that he could be the #1 option on a contender?
He’s making me rethink the viability of building around him
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
I think so
What we saw last night was staggering. He’s looking like one of the best players in the league. His legs weren’t there approaching 40 minutes or his shooting would have been way over 50%.
Honestly he looks like a legit superstar to me.
Someone like DWill might be ideal. Maybe a guy in the shooter role other than the PG too. A guy that can get a 3pt off a screen.
I think as soon as you get Deron Williams Aldridge becomes the second option
In my dream scenario that, if New Jersey doesn’t land Howard, becomes a real possibility.
by heybabydrinkyourmilk on Feb 7, 2012 12:26 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
if nothing else they would be 1a and 1b
I’d love to pair that duo
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
1a and 1b, done
plenty of money to make it happen next year (or if we trade wallace and crawford/felton this year – for NJ cap flexibility), and i’m sure williams would love to play alongside former back court partner wesley matthews… just need howard to fall somewhere else and i think 90% becomes 0%, and we become a front runner in the dwill bidding… the time is right.
by heybabydrinkyourmilk on Feb 7, 2012 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
the time is right
the recruiting needs to start
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
have to disagree somewhat
it was still a great game. It really hits home the importance of taking EVERY possession, EVERY free throw VERY seriously. Concentration and focus are being developed. This kind of game is what hones teams to better teams.
The hot Thunder come to town, and our ‘blow it up’, ‘no PG’ Blazers play them to a virtual tie. That says to me, I’m not such a delusional ‘homer’ to have confidence in this team.
Fighting back from a couple double digit deficits, awesome. Our guys know they can do better, and are more motivated to do so. They be thinkin’ ’Hey, we can be good, if we just…… ’. Has to be encouraging in my book. Nate did a nice job in this game.
It was a good game for us too
in that it might raise the level of execution going forward.
All of that is true
and i will now spend the next few week trying to forget it ever happened
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by 92wastheyear on Feb 7, 2012 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
Thank you for the positive spin on this loss.
But I don’t think I’ll ever get there on this one. Could the refs have watched the replay on that block? That one call will haunt me for the next couple of days.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
ive watched that call again and again
on the replay they show durant watching it on the screen. when he sees the play he immediately flashes a sheepish looking grin – even he knows he got a gift.
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
the players are right there
they certainly know what happened. LMA says block. Durant is ‘no comment’.
Video says block. Crappy call. Ref deserves flack for an incorrect game changing call.
Big Props to J.A. Sherman in his Loud City write-up
“With Durant driving to the rim, Aldridge pretty clearly had a clean block on Durant’s layup attempt. Never the less, the referee who was 30 feet away from the rim called a goal tend, which enabled the Thunder to tie the game.
There is not much more that can be said; if the refs got the call right, the Blazers probably would have won."
we can still win........
by RastaMonsta on Feb 7, 2012 10:58 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
LA now has a higher PER than Roy ‘08-’09. I’m totally blown away by how far he’s come in the past couple years. Sure proved my expectations based on his plateau in performance from years 2-4 wildly inaccurate. Having an amazing season.
I, too, am very surprised at the season he's having
Amazingly consistent. If only our backcourt was average, this would be a good team. This is stating the obvious, but Aldridge needs help on the perimeter. I feel like his performances are being undercut and wasted by our terrible guard play. Wallace has been pretty mediocre lately as well.
i've been on the trade Wallace team since the rumors came out in the preseason
looking more and more like the right move if you can get any good return. I’ve also been on the Felton + scraps for Nash train to ride out the year. we aren’t going to win anything anyway, may as well enjoy Nash for 30+ games and give LA a huge playmaker to work with.
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
let's make it happen
Nic’s ready to be a starter
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
yeah if Wallace can get us perimeter help for LMA you do it
Bonus points for shoring up the PG position. We need someone that is flat nasty when LMA gets doubled and tripled.
gotta trade wallace if there is any value there at all. He can play alongside Nic, but it’s not ideal. His lack of shooting is an awkward fit, and he’s not having a great year to boot.
i keep dancing on my own.
that's the thing...
what value is there?…. Ray Allen?
Hopefully trading Wallace at the deadline
Will return the team the first round pick they spent on him in the first place. The problem is he is probably more likely to be traded to a contender, than somewhere just looking for cap space next year.
by heybabydrinkyourmilk on Feb 7, 2012 12:31 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Lamarcus needs help. We don't want him getting stuck like KG.
And yes, he’s starting to look THAT good.
"Brandon Roy has done this before."
let’s not go overboard KG was a top 2 player in the league (along with Duncan) for 3-4 years in Minny.
i keep dancing on my own.
Yeah, but it was kind of like Love now...
It’s a lot easier to gobble up points and rebounds when the rest of your team sucks. LMA is playing alongside the top rebounder per-48 (Camby at 19.7) in the whole league!
in non-boxscore defense, the difference between LA and in prime KG is massive. KG was the best defender in the NBA between 2003 and 2006.
i keep dancing on my own.
I said he's starting to look that good.
He’s still improving every day. When he came into the league he was a good help defender and a good jump shooter.
His rookie year he was criticized for not being able to defend other 4s 1-on-1.
He fixed that.
The next years he was criticized for not being able to set picks and pop or roll effectively.
He fixed that.
Then he was criticized for not being able to post up.
He fixed that.
Then he was criticized for not being able to go left.
He fixed that.
Don’t bet against Lamarcus. Ever. He’s not perfect, but he’s getting darn near close.
"Brandon Roy has done this before."
While I agree with the sentiment that the Blazers could have worked harder...
and by getting more rebounds they wouldn’t have allowed the game to come down to one bad call. Even so, there is no excuse for that call.
Yes, the Thunder out-rebounded the Blazers, but despite that the Blazers still had control of the game.
Yes the Thunder had more second-chance and fast-break points, but despite that the Blazers still had control of the game.
The Thunder had to play a near perfect game in those two categories to have a chance to win it in the end, despite the fact that the Blazers didn’t have a point guard. Why is it that we fault the Blazers for still being on top despite the Thunder’s hard work to keep them off the boards? I know people can say that the team wasn’t working to get the rebounds, but that’s not what I saw. I saw a lot of tipped balls that the Blazers were going for, but OKC had the length they needed in the area to grab them. The Thunder obviously worked harder than they normally do to get to loose balls and rebounds.
Instead of focusing on the negative of what might have been if they got a few more rebounds or made a few of those missed fast-break opportunities, I think it might be better to look at how talented this team is that they were in it and had the lead despite those problems and despite missing Felton.
Could the team have made that call by Scott Foster irrelevant if they had gotten some of those opportunities earlier in the game? Yeah, but that’s the way of every loss. The ‘what if’ game is the part that is irrelevant to me, the solid evidence of a bad call by the lead official who wasn’t even close to being able to see that play legitimately is the reason the Blazers lost that game.
To tell us all to not talk about Scott Foster’s affiliation with a convicted cheater so as to somehow show us as above the "riff-raf’ of conspiracy theories is just as bad as accusing Scott Foster of fixing the game deliberately. People are going to make the connection, it doesn’t make us any smarter to ignore it.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
Then that call may not have been made. Yeah, I know the drill.
It still doesn’t change the fact that Foster’s call gave the game to the Thunder, who despite out-working the Blazers, did not earn the win.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
There is no way for a free throw make or miss
to be botched by what is supposed to be a seasoned ref. But your point is not lost on me. I’m just a little bitter still.
"Luke is our go-to Chalupa man," Matthews said. "Designated."
what if what if what if
if ifs and buts were candy and nuts we’d all have upset stomachs
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Just for the record, that was a perfect block and in no way a tend.
Disgusting call by a known cheater who couldn’t see the play. There is zero chance the ball hit the glass first. LMA batted it into the glass then it went off the back of his hand. It was clearly under the rim. I’m tired of refs never having to be accountable. It really lessens the value of the NBA for me.
If the ref thought he pinned it, then it would be a goal tend
So technically you can hit the ball first and pin it, and that is still a goal tend.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Feb 7, 2012 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
that's wrong
if you take it to the backboard it’s a clean block…happens all the time
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
If you pin it at any point against the backboard during the shot then it's a goaltend
A pin would be defined as the ball touching defender’s hand and backboard at the same time. It didn’t look like a pin, but I do think the refs/NBA will say that as some sort of cop out explanation on NBA.com. Also it’s ridiculous that goaltends aren’t reviewed. It’s the most missed call in the NBA. At least allow a review of goaltends in the last minute of a game.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Feb 7, 2012 1:08 PM PST up reply actions
Doesn't change the outcome
but at least they admitted a mistake. I wish this type of thing existed in the ’80s and during the Dohaghy era. Once you admit a mistake it puts the pressure on the league to prevent the mistakes from happening again.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Feb 7, 2012 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
Getting into our offense too late ...
I think Jamal did an ok job last night, but in the 4th quarter of last night’s game, when we were getting into our half court sets, it seemed like it was taking 4 to 6 seconds longer than usual to get into our offensive sets. So, whereas earlier in the game we could explore 3 or 4 options in the shot clock, it seemed like we could only explore 1 or 2 options on offense late in the 4th quarter. It’s not all Jamal’s fault. He played a ton of minutes last night and is not known to be much of a pusher of the ball anyways. Let’s also credit OKC’s defense in the 4th quarter and OT because they were pressuring our players with half court pressing early in the shot clock and also making it difficult to execute our down-screens to help Aldridge get post position.
Sometimes unfortunately it takes losing a game because of something for it to sink in
Hopefully it has sunk in now.
by heybabydrinkyourmilk on Feb 7, 2012 12:41 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
this
I hope these guys play pissed off from here on out
Kid Clutch
It works a lot better if you guys just root for the guys in the NBA commercials.
by heybabydrinkyourmilk on Feb 7, 2012 12:14 PM PST via mobile reply actions
haha...no joke
that’s funny
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
has anybody heard of being able to hit the ball after it hits the glass if it is below the rim?
by oLLiE Boombayay on Feb 7, 2012 12:57 PM PST reply actions
oops forgot to finish the question...
I could have sworn I was watching a game within the last year or so and the announcer said you can actually hit the ball after it hits backboard if it is below the rim. I had never heard of this in many years of watching NBA. It would make sense that I never heard of this because a player rarely uses that part of the backboard. just curious if this is an actual rule. It was the first thing I thought of when they showed the slow-mo replay.
by oLLiE Boombayay on Feb 7, 2012 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
Getting sick and tired of all the missed layups
GW has missed a tone of easy ones the last few weeks. He looks so casual and pfft, the ball skips off the rim. The whole team seemed a bit lax to me in the first half missing free throws and short shots. We really could have had a good lead in the first quarter but just not sharp – other than LA. Still, being without your starting point guard, and a MIA Wallace, they nutted up pretty good.

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