One trade drawer. One a obvious answer.
by Josh Wagner on Feb 21, 2012 11:47 AM PST
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Ellis is not a guy to build around
We tried taking on bad character guys like what… 10 years ago? didn’t really work out. Ellis isn’t a winner.
Disagree
I love what Portland has done. But we need a true closer. We need someone who can get to the line and score in the paint. I also love Wesley but he isn’t a starting SG on a true championship team. Ellis is a cold blooded scorer. Those are few and far between. By putting him in an atmosphere like Portland on a team with leaders like Camby, Kurt Thomas and LA is a recipe for success.
by Josh Wagner on Feb 21, 2012 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
That and since he has a family now
I don’t think he’s so bad in the character department any more. Although, it would be… interesting to see him and Crawford play next to each other.
by Batumshakalaka on Feb 21, 2012 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
I think he married a cop, not that being a cop makes you a good person
but I seem to remember him talking about turning his life around, because he knew he wasn’t headed in a good direction.
I don't give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way.
Mark Twain
Read more: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/mark_twain_4.html#ixzz1IE4sPu16
by Tyler Durrden on Feb 21, 2012 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
The issue is not his character; it's that he is a BAD player.
Ellis, first off, is NOT these things: creator, distributor, floor general, efficient, good shooter. What Ellis IS is a high-volume shooter who does not create for his teammates. You are blinded by his shiny 22.3 PPG and the fact he takes the last shot. The reality is he is not a good shooter. He scores those 22.3 PPG on 18.9 FGA/G, and his usage rate is 30.2%. He’s “traditional” stat line is .433/.309/.811 (FG% / 3P% / FT%). His eFG% and TS% is worse than Matthews. You want more proof, here it is: Ellis’ ORTG (how many points he scores per 100 possessions) is 103. Matthews’ is 108. Matthews is the better shooter and more effective player, especially for the price. Lastly, Ellis is a horrible defender. His DRTG (how many points he gives up per 100 possessions) is 110. Matthews’ is 102. There is no reason to trade for him.
by KVin2 on Feb 21, 2012 3:42 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
his shot attempts and percentage would change having
LA as an option. he has to shoot a lot for that team to contend. The difference between him and Mathews is on the break and creating his own shot. He is elite at those things.
I don't think having LMA is any different of a situation than Curry and Lee
There are some nights Ellis doesn’t attempt ten shots, and there are nights when he puts up 20+.
by ZenGarden on Feb 21, 2012 4:51 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
He's no Roy certainly
But he fits a rather large hole in our roster. He may be a volum shooter, but we desperately need a 2nd option scorer next to LMA. Batum is doing well, but I think of him as a good 3rd rather than an actual 2nd option.
Saying he doesn’t create for teammates might be a bit of a stretch. He averages more assists than Roy did his entire career. He does it with a higher usage rate as well mind you, by at least 3%, but to say he doesn’t create at all is a push. On the same lines, his DRTG is about the same as Roy had his entire career as well.
As far as Offensive advanced ratings, you have me there. 08/09 Roy beat Ellis in TS% by 4%, and O rating by 20, 103-123. Like I said, he’s no Roy. But his shot creating and playmaking abilities are something that we desperately need.
by Batumshakalaka on Feb 21, 2012 5:24 PM PST up reply actions
We just don't need it from him.
Especially for the price. That’s all I’m saying.
True
I agree with basically everything you say here. We trade two good defenders for one bad one, and the man does not shoot a high percentage. I don’t disagree with the idea of including Wallace in a trade, as I think we need to commit to Batum long term, but not for Ellis if we have to include other pieces like Matthews.
by lamarcusforpresident on Feb 22, 2012 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
I sure agree with you...
…giving up way too much to get another guy who can allegedly close games and hit big shots but in reality is a high usage inefficient scorer. I’m sure if you did the same numbers comparison done with Wes above with Jamal you’d find Crawford is also a much better actual “scorer” then Ellis.
He is absolutely NOT the answer to our positional problems. He’s not a PG… He’s not a BIG… He’s PG sized 2 guard who needs too many touches to be effective and doesn’t play defense.
Giving up Wes AND Gerald (the player or the cap space) is not worth this guy!
#7... GO BLAZERS!!!
I also disagree...
We have quality guys (veterans) all around the locker room now. One questionable to dude like Ellis is not going to poison the lot. I have not heard anything from his years in Oakland (aside from a DUI) that could convince me otherwise. Unfortunately, it will take us absorbing Biedrins contract to get Ellis. PA should be okay with it, who doesn’t overpay for a serviceable big man? The better question is, will he accept the fact that at least one of his knees will get blown-out before his time in Portland runs-out?
by gr8odensravens on Feb 24, 2012 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
I have not heard anything from his years in Oakland (aside from a DUI) that could convince me otherwise.
He’s in the middle of a sexual harassment lawsuit. Of course, these allegations have not been proven. But there are other concerns with Monta right now.
Here is something I haven't seen yet.
The premise is we take on a lot of bad contracts to land a stud and strengthen our frontcourt.
Kings
T.Evans
C.Hayes
J.Salmons
F.Garcia
Blazers
G.Wallace
N.Batum
W.Matthews
We do the deal on March 1’st.
by Oden Mad, Oden Smash! on Feb 21, 2012 11:57 AM PST reply actions
Huh?
So we keep Felton in this trade scenario. Lose both our SF’s and replace them with Salmons and Garcia? Yuk!
Evans isn’t even a true PG. In fact, he’s now the starting SG for the Kings since the arrival of Isaiah Thomas. We would also be taking on an additional 7M+ in contracts.
No thanks.
by Josh Wagner on Feb 21, 2012 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
We could have drafted him.
I was talking last year about Thomas before the draft. Evidently we couldn’t pass on Diebler.
Ellis isn't a point guard either.
You completely ignore that we add the Chuckwagon who would give us a nice 4 man rotation in the frontcourt. We don’t need or want Evans playing point. I would prefer to see him at the 2 or 3 longterm. We take on the contracts to get Tyreke freaking Evans. I don’t think it makes much sense to shoot down a trade because it doesn’t send away an expiring contract (Felton). In all honesty, I think Sac says no first on this one.
by Oden Mad, Oden Smash! on Feb 21, 2012 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
Really?
SAC would take that deal in a heartbeat. Chuck Hayes is a Center. I’d take Monta Ellis over Tyreke Evans every day of the week. He shoots 40% and has already been fairly injury prone.
by Josh Wagner on Feb 21, 2012 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
Felton for Beaubois?
You KNOW Dallas wants the cap space…
Done.
I would do that deal in a heartbeat. Doesn’t really solve much but gives us a cheap PG who would probablly fit better than Felton.
by Josh Wagner on Feb 21, 2012 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
As long as they connect more than once a game, unlike the Spanish Connection.
by Josh Wagner on Feb 21, 2012 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
That was the Spanish Armada.
C’mon learn your European tandems.
The smarter you are, the more likely you are to be tripping balls at any given moment.
/keep Batum and Aldridge/ /BLOW IT UP/
They did ... sometimes more than once
Sometimes an alley oop, sometimes a backdoor pass and sometimes the drive and kick it out to Rudy at the three point line. That was fun while it lasted …
They're gonna try to attach Beaubois to Marion's contract
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Yeah, true
If they can trade either, they can amnesty the other, and probably don’t care which one it is.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
why not trade for haywood?
He can rebound, he plays ok defense… overall hes an ok center who can hold the fort down next to a dominant aldridge. Maybe something like this?
by avalancheman on Feb 21, 2012 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
obviously a first round pick would probably change hands as well...
but thats a starting point.
by avalancheman on Feb 21, 2012 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
Hell no.
Well if they try to attach Marion or Haywood to a Beaubois deal them we would walk away. We need no part in that.
Although Monte Ellis is a SG
his assists stats this year is great.
agree
Ellis is probably the best player we have a chance of getting.
I actually like him paired with LA. we’re never going to get D wade, LBJ, or D-will. he is slightly below those guys and attainable.
theres a (very) slight possibility of getting Lowry...
and I think that McGee is a better overall player, and yes there is a chance to get him with two draft picks plus a prospect or something like that.
by avalancheman on Feb 21, 2012 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
Lowery?
the rockets wouldn’t give him up for Gasol who they love " reportedly". we can’t offer better than that. and McGee can’t play in the backcourt or create his own shot.
multiple player deal
they didn’t want to give up lowry in addition… I’m not sure of the exact terms that were discussed, and neither are you… I said it was a very slight chance… and we’d likely have to give up Batum rather than Wallace plus prospects, in a three team type deal.
by avalancheman on Feb 21, 2012 6:21 PM PST up reply actions
If we trade for a SG who can make plays
Kevin Martin is our best potentially available option. He’s way better than Ellis.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
by HailOden! on Feb 21, 2012 1:14 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
WHAT?
Ellis is way better than Martin. Martin is a scorer. That’s it. Not a passer. Can’t rebound.
Ellis can pass, rebound, defend, and score better than Martin. He’s a more efficient scorer as well. If Martin is having an off night, he’s useless.
You want a scorer/closer
They don’t get more efficient than Martin. Claiming that Ellis is more efficient is purely absurd, and I’m not one to disparage others’ opinions.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
This is the key point:
“If Martin is having an off night, he’s useless.”
At least Ellis can get into the lane at will and make some plays. Plus, he’s a ball hawk and can create turnovers in the passing lanes.
Martin is a terrible defender, and not even remotely a playmaker. If he doesn’t have someone to get him the ball, you’ll be lucky to get 75% of his value on a night-to-night basis. If we had someone to get him the ball, then he’d be great, but, I don’t see that as the case.
Here we go:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7wejqyp
Dallas gets:
Gerald Wallace
Nolan Smith
Chris Johnson
Luke Babbitt
Portland gets:
LaMar Odom
Rodrigue Beaubois
Ian Mahinmi
Give Beaubois the starting point job, see what he & Elliot Williams are made of for the remainder of the season. Resign Batum next offseason, enjoy the french connection. Odom is a much better fit for this team then Gerald Wallace, imo.
"We gotta get this $#!^ together guys!" - Phil
In addition, swap Felton for Hinrich. Start Beaubois from day one.
"We gotta get this $#!^ together guys!" - Phil
I just replied to your post in the other thread with thoughts on trades
But now that I see yours, I think I like yours better. A lot of it depends on if they are ready to give up on Odom though.
by Batumshakalaka on Feb 21, 2012 5:38 PM PST up reply actions
Monta or Martin
I hope we can get monta ellis or kevin martin…cold blood both of them..they can help immediately our team…please can somebody hear us???this team needs true shooting guards….
Our stats say otherwise...
they say we need a point. And I tend to agree, as much as I have rooted for Felton.
by avalancheman on Feb 21, 2012 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
I would love a PG
However, there aren’t many viable options out there. D-Will, Steph Curry? Its going to require us trading Batum away and i’m not willing to do that. Thats why targeting a SG is the best option I can see right now.
Kevin Martin would be a good fit. But don’t put him in the same boat as Ellis. Ellis is a potential 40pt scorer who can also pass (unlike Martin). Hes much better at getting to the line and the hoop. Put him with felton in the backcourt and it hides some of Feltons weaknesses.
PG Felton/Crawford
SG Ellis
SF Batum/Williams
PF LA/Craig Smith
C Camby/Thomas
In the offseason we have Roys/Felton/Camby Contracts coming off the books. We could lock up Batum and sign a legitimate Center and find a Luke Ridnour type PG.
I do not see why Monta cannot play Point guard
1. He has proven capable when Curry has been injured
2. In this era Point Guards are the scorers of their team.
3. Monta’s ball handling skills and passing skills are good enough for a point guard.
4. He is undersized for a 2 guard.
Simply because we have a terrible track record of trying to get someone other than a true point guard to be our point guard
From Brandon Roy to Jerryd Bayless, Jamal Crawford to Nolan Smith, Scotty Pippen to, well, you get the picture.
I just want a Terry Porter-esque PG. A bigger guy, 6’3"+, who defends well and can hit a 3 pointer, and who generally has more assists than turnovers. Is that too much to ask?
Nowadays, yeah, it is.
Kyle Lowry, Jrue Holliday, and Mike Conley are the closest I can think of who fit the description. Everyone else fails in some way.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
our Blazers
absolutely out of the topic….but when we lose bad games like the clippers i am sad for all day…do you feel the same blazers fans??
Other?
We have nothing to trade with in order to acquire Curry, Ellis, or Nash with those teams (short of LA).
Why not list some of the other top 10 PGs? The result will still be no takers.
What about Chris Paul and Dwight Howard!!!?
LOL just kidding. I dont know what is right anymore, I just know this team needs alot of something it doesnt have. In 1 way or another, I just want something to happen.
by cavejunctionblazer on Feb 21, 2012 2:49 PM PST reply actions
Id Trade Batum
but only for D Will or that caliber of player
by cavejunctionblazer on Feb 21, 2012 2:54 PM PST reply actions
Man do we need a GM.
I have a feeling that nothing is going to go down at the deadline.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
Just saying....
The Calderon and Bargani for Wallace and Felton deal works.
Get out of Joel's way or he will eat your freaking face!
Bargnani is a horrible fit with Lamarcus.
the sort of big we need next to LMA is a rebounding, defensive presence with a lot of dunks and put-backs.
"Wide, girthy. Just like a Rhino. Sometimes my horns are visible."
Bargnani is an ideal back up for LA
Also out of that deal we get Calderon, which is the type of pg we need running this team. Not Felton.
Get out of Joel's way or he will eat your freaking face!
hmm...
I think Bargnani is approaching the level of play where he won’t accept a back-up role. and though calderon would be much better than felton, he’s got a longer contract and is not a permanent solution by any means. rather just have more cap space in free agency this year.
"Wide, girthy. Just like a Rhino. Sometimes my horns are visible."
I think Aaron Brooks is a better target
Phoenix still has his rights. If he’s not part of their long-term plans, and they’re going to ride Nash till he quits, they might be interested in Felton off the bench and his expiring contract.
I think Brooks is one of the better options to be had
If we could pick up Nash too then we’d be set for this year and next.
Just transferring a trade over...
This is from Blazergold in a separate fanpost. Since we have a Trade Drawer, I’m moving it here for him
OK, like all Trades, this is all wishful thinking, but think this could work. I also know the idea of a trade to make the Lakers better is, well, a bad idea
Portland trades Felton, Wallace and Either Nolan or Elliot
Lakers Trade Gasol, Blake
Why we do it? We have a solidified front line with Gasol and LA for the next few year (I think either can play the center for periods of a game) and we get something for both wallace and Raymond which I dont think we will resign long term
Why the Lakers do it. They need a point guard and better wings. They get an upgrade from what they have. If it works out they can resign either or both. if not, they have cleared 20mil of salary cap space for the summer and Gasol is not happy about being on the block
ooh... that's an awesome frontcourt.
and we get to make the lakers worse. still no point guard though, so that would still be a problem.
"Wide, girthy. Just like a Rhino. Sometimes my horns are visible."
I toyed with this trade a bit:
combining it with a French Connection (Beaubois):
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7rmykkr
and the totally delusional, never happens in a million years unless Danny Ainge thinks he can grab Dwight and Deron in Free Agency:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7laz7aj
"Wide, girthy. Just like a Rhino. Sometimes my horns are visible."
Umm...what?
Are the celtics getting like 6 first round picks in that deal? cuz if they aren’t I dont seem them trading Rajon Rondo for Marcus Camby.
that's why I said it was totally delusional.
that was just for fun.
"Wide, girthy. Just like a Rhino. Sometimes my horns are visible."
More realistic.
Apparently celtics have been thinking very little about rando and his value lately because of his inability to create plays. http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7424o8b
Formally known as: My_name_a_rudy
by Blaze_that_trail on Feb 21, 2012 9:36 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Rondo has an inability to create plays?
Is this the same guy that dropped 30-10-15 on us a while back?
he has trouble making shots sometimes,
but plays for his teammates? he’s one of the best.
"Wide, girthy. Just like a Rhino. Sometimes my horns are visible."
I would love that trade.
No analysis needed. We would have the best big man rotation (ever).
by Oden Mad, Oden Smash! on Feb 21, 2012 4:55 PM PST up reply actions
This will never happen.
The Lakers would not trade Pau for this.
I like the idea of putting Monta Ellis next to LMA.
I think the proposed trade is as good as any we could do that is in the realm of possibility.
monta and lma would be deadly
I love monta and he is such a stud. To go to a winning team with other good players would b.e a great fit for him. I would go as far as batum, wes, and a draft pick for monta cuz he is no doubt the 3rd best sg in the Nba and would fit in well with this team and we could keep our starting lineup intact and just switch out wes with monta but we do lose batum but monta is the player we are missing and bating is a free agent in the offseason
A trade to free up
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7ulh8ho
Minutes. This allows nic to get his starter min. Crawford to rotate and fill in at pg and SG. Ewill to get some play. We also grab a back up PF. Next year we can still start clean with new gm and head coach with a long term back up pg to help groom new pgtf.
How the Blazers get Deron Williams
It is conceivable the Blazers could trade for Deron Williams. The only way it becomes a possibility is if Dwight Howard gets traded to either the Lakers, Knicks, or Chicago where he will sign an extension. At that point the Nets would have absolutely zero chance of resigning Williams, and would be forced to trade him or lose him for nothing in free agency. Given that, they would trade him to any team regardless of his wishes and let his contract year be another team’s problem.
Here is the trade to get Williams in a Blazer uniform. A few notes about the trade. 1) The Blazers would probably send Crawford instead of Matthews to the Nets. But due to the league rules, they would only be able to send him after March first (ergo the Trade Machine doesn’t let me include him). I personally would prefer to send Crawford to the Nets instead of Matthews as it is, and the Nets would probably prefer Crawford as well. 2) The Blazers would probably have to throw in a first-roud pick to get the deal done. But it would be worth it to get Williams.
Here is why each team does this:
Timberwolves: The Timberwolves have so many bad contracts they are over the Luxury Tax line, and need some serious cap relief. Marcus Camby and Raymond Felton would represent $18.8 million in cap relief for them next year. They also have a log-jam up front, and by trading Darko Milicic and Anthony Randolph they would help clear their front court situation up and allow them to move forward with a frontcourt rotation with Kevin Love, Derrick Williams, Nikola Pekovic, and Brad Miller.
Nets: I will admit, this is a little bit of a stretch for the Nets to do this. It is entirely conceivable they would demand Batum in the deal as well (more on this in a bit). And while each of the three players they would be getting are on expiring contracts they would have the chance to resign each of them, where they would have no chance at resigning Williams. They would gain a first round pick, plus an ultra-talented forward to put next to Brook Lopez in Anthony Randolph. They could instantly rebuild their team with a starting five of Crawford, Brooks, Gerald Wallace, Randolph and Lopez. With smart drafting they could add some nice depth, or use the expiring contracts to chase other free agents.
Blazers: Self-explanitory. Williams is the prize here, plus they would get him without giving up LaMarcus Aldridge or Nicolas Batum. The only reason the Blazers could conceivably not give up Batum is because the Nets’ back would be against the wall. They would be dealing from the position of weakness,
The only players they would be giving up (Crawford, Camby, Felton, Wallace), while quality players, aren’t in their long-term plans anyway. They would have to take back several bad contracts (Darko Milicic and Johan Petro, the Timberwolves and Nets’ worst contracts), but with their cap space it would be worth it to get Williams. While the Blazers would not be able to draft a young center this year, but Petro and Milicic would give them two healthy, decent big men for the next few years.
Here is the catch to this trade: Batum. If the Nets demand him in the trade, the Blazers would only do it if Williams agreed before hand to a contract extension. As long as the Nets don’t demand Batum, it would be worth it only trading Crawford, Camby, Felton and Wallace no matter what Williams does. They would have an entire season to convince Williams to take the bigger contract to stay in Portland instead of going to Dallas or the Lakers (provided they could clear the cap space). And at that point it would depend on what Williams wants. If he only wants to play in a big market then he’d be gone, and settle for tens of millions of dollars less.
However, if he wants to win, the Blazers could build around Williams, LA, Matthews andBatum (who could open up and space the floor for Williams). Doing this trade for Williams would be like a poker player going all-in on the turn (the fourth community card that is flipped over in Texas Hold ’Em, for those non poker players out there). If Williams re-signs and the Blazers can resign Batum this offseason, they would have a solid core for the next 4-5 years that could compete for several titles. If not, then the Blazers have to rebuild around LA, Batum and Matthews.
by KVin2 on Feb 21, 2012 11:17 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I say every single player is up for grabs except LMA
Although I wouldnt mind building around LMA, WES, Batum and EWILL. But I think we all overvalue our players to much. I also think if we play our cards right at the trade deadline, something big could come our way. You never know. All of our players have some trade value, even though Ray has been hurting his. Okafor from NOR or Lopez from PHX are possible centers we could go after. We are getting killed in the rebound department most nights. I still like the PHX trade where we somehow land Nash and Lopez without gutting our roster. But that trade is highly unlikely. Monta would be a great pick up. The guy can flatout score. At this point I still wonder if the strategy that they go with is to stand pat because they think they can land a big free agent. That could be a great move if somehow we convince Deron or a big FA to come here or complete disaster if no one does. A trade has to be our best bet. Who they go after? IDK.
by cavejunctionblazer on Feb 21, 2012 11:32 PM PST reply actions
A different idea
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7zlnhpd
We let Jermaine walk after the season. Although I would obviously PREFER to keep Williams and throw in Babbitt, there is 0 reason Boston would do it.
We blow it up and focus on our new big 3, Nic, LMA, Rondo
Time for Ray to shine. HE BETTER!
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 22, 2012 9:52 AM PST reply actions
Why does Boston do this?
Rondo IS Boston’s future at this point, if they’re trading anyone it’s going to be KG or Ray Allen. They have a horrible cap situation, and after they traded Kendrick Perkins the only player they have left to build around is Rondo. Danny Ainge realized his old Ubuntu Celtics were gone and not coming back, so now what they want is to get rid of their bad contracts to move forward. There is no way they trade Rondo for anything less than an All-Star caliber player (and we’re talking current All-Star, not some has-been one-timer like Gerald Wallace).
They are really wanting to move Rondo
Go read their blog, all they are talking about is moving Rondo, the mgmt wants to move rondo and the media in Boston accepts it as a given.
The question do they want to move Rondo, its whether two to possibly three starters including one very very good player is enough to get them to jump or if they need to get an all star in return.
Time for Ray to shine. HE BETTER!
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 22, 2012 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
They'll probably get killed in any Rondo deal
Honestly, with Ainge’s draft history and Doc’s player development, I’d trade him for good picks.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Wait Doc's player development?
Who has he developed?
Also why can’t we be the one who kills them in the trade?
Time for Ray to shine. HE BETTER!
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 23, 2012 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
Rondo, Tony Allen, Perkins, Delonte West, Al Jefferson, Leon Powe, Mike Miller, and T-Mac
He also got solid performances out of Luke Harangody and Semih Erden, and has gotten good minutes out of Stiemsma this season. Some of them were NBA ready (Powe and Miller), and T-Mac did start out in Toronto, but he broke out in Orlando under Rivers. It could all be a coincidence, but he’s got a good track record with young guys.
I would have nothing against us killing them in a trade, but it’s hard to tell what they want.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Sounds like we could be in the hunt for Rondo
http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/smith_120227.html
I will keep pushing it, he would be a lifesaver for LMA
Time for Ray to shine. HE BETTER!
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 27, 2012 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
The trade to make is Wallace for Monta.
I think we’d have to absorb Biedrins’ contract as well. He’s worth too much to amnesty, but he isn’t worth enough for his contract. If we can absorb his contract, I think they’ll give us Monta.
"Brandon Roy has done this before."
Dallas wants to move Marion's contract for an expiring one. Wallace and Armon for Marion and Roddy? Maybe even get a pick?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7u3vhpb
That would give us a pretty interesting lineup to close out games.
Why do we want Marion?
What use do we have for a 33-year-old small forward who is a decent-but-not-good shooter? Sure he is good defensively, but Batum is as well. There is no reason to pay him starters money for the next two years when Batum is already the better player. Save the money and resign Batum.
we do not want Marion under any circumstances
Or his bloated contract with 24+mil remaining
La Illaha Illallah Muhamadur Rasulallah
It would be about getting Beaubois with Marion's contract being the real payment in Dallas' eyes.
The smarter you are, the more likely you are to be tripping balls at any given moment.
/keep Batum and Aldridge/ /BLOW IT UP/
My point was we don't want either player.
Beaubois is 23, and not that great of a shooter. And he’s certainly not worth getting when we would have to pay Marion $8 mil/year for the next two years, just to take minutes away from Batum. Pay Batum the $8 mil/year and use the cap space to fill other holes.
why wouldn't we want Beaubois?
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Granger and Nash
Lots of posts on Blazers Edge about trade options right now. Blazers have limited options because of a desire to preserve cap space for this summer. Crawford and Wallace are both likely to opt out which gives us a ton of cap space. Taking on long term contracts in trades destroys flexibility for this summer. Nash would be great but we don’t have the young players to get him. This means taking on some combo of Warrick, Frye, and Childress to help Phoenix balance their books. This destroys all future cap space.
One options that could work is Wallace and Batum for Danny Granger. http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=78xfvs3. His numbers have declined over the last few years in Indiana. However, he remains a solid outside shooter and would be a good secondary scoring options with LA. He would pair well with LA and Batum. There is a chance the Indiana would move him for Wallace and either Williams or Babbitt in order to get out from his long term contract. Making this deal signals that Batum’s long term future is at guard.
A bonus of this trade is we give up on cap space for this summer. That means we could take a run at Nash and take back some of Phoenix’s bad contracts. Felton, Camby, Williams, For Nash, Warrick, Frye, Childress. http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7tx823b.
Making these trades leaves us with the following lineup
PG: Nash Crawford, Smith
SG Batum, Crawford, Matthews
SF Granger, Matthews, Childress
PF Aldridge, Warrick, Smith
C: Frye, Thomas.
Rebounding is a problem with this lineup. LA plays lots of C in small lineups. A Camby buyout is the best option. Phoenix may also add Robin Lopez for a pick. Maybe you can spin off Frye for more of a defense / rebounding center but with his contract I doubt it. Crawford is also expendable in this scenario. Maybe he brings back a center. The other challenge here is incorporating so many new parts and d
eveloping a working rotation. Thoughts?
I might have missed something but...
…didn’t you propose trading Wallace AND Batum for Grainger then put Nic in the starting line up with Grainger?
#7... GO BLAZERS!!!
Wallace value, ride it out, FA signings
ELLIS, GRANGER, and others will not be had for Wallace and change(Felton/Matthews). If we can get Nash lured in by trade for Wallace I’m all for it but I don’t see that happening either. Batum will not be ignored and must start. The odd man out in that senario is Gerrald Wallace. Our best bet if we hope to remain in contender mode is to hope to sign quality FA this summer with the money from expiring contracts of Felton and Wallace (if unable to be traded). My two suggestions for improvement are Ray Allen and Steve Nash. It’s debatable about whether or not they will be interested in coming to small market Portland but Ray has ties to Nate and Nash just wants to win. A line up of Nash, Allen, Batum, LA, Camby could be really interesting. The draft would need to bring in a good young body to take some fouls but this lineup would be legitimate contenders.
ALL THIS BEING SAID: I think our lineup as-is will compete this year in the playoffs. Not willing to write them off yet. RIP TITTY
No one seems to have stated the obvious issue:
WE ALREADY HAVE JAMAL CRAWFORD – ANOTHER HIGH-VOLUME SHOOTER.
Why do we need two of them? To take more touches away from LA and Batum? And how would they coexist?
put a body on 'em
Because Ellis is so much better than Crawford
And he also plays a different game. Ellis gets into the lane, while Crawford dribbles around.
"Brandon Roy has done this before."
No. For so many reasons.
1) This would destroy the Blazers defensively. Calderon, Ellis and Crawford are horrible defenders. Matthews (who would presumably be a backup at that point) would be the only one who could guard anyone. Felton at least is a solid defender, good luck ever trying to win a game with Calderon and Ellis as your starting guards. Defensive ratings (pts allowed/100 possessions) of the four guards: Felton (103), Matthews (102), Calderon (108), Ellis (110).
2) Ellis is the ultimate high-volume, inefficient scorer. He’s not that good of a shooter, so he has to shoot the ball almost 20 times a game in order to score his 22 PPG. His USG% is over 30%; along with Crawford (28%), LA’s touches would disappear. Having two high-volume, bad shooters who are black holes is the exact opposite direction the Blazers should be going in. Having Ellis and Crawford eliminates the point of Calderon.
3) Calderon is a good shooter, but never shoots. What he does is dish the ball. But Ellis and Crawford don’t work well without the ball. So Ellis and Crawford would be useless with Calderon on the floor, so he would have to play with Matthews. But then you would have Crawford and Ellis on the floor at the same time. That would be a terrible idea. Calderon would be nice to have, but he’s also 30, and I don’t really see him being in the Blazers’ long-term plans.
Disagree
1) Calderon gets you more offense and similar defense to Felton = good trade
2) Ellis and Crawford have also been off the ball
3) Calderon is averaging 11 pts and 8.9 assits = good trade and can hit a 3 pointer
Calderon would be an upgrade anyway you look at it and what are we giving up?
toronto going after wilson chandler, currently can only offer multiyear deal starting at 4.3mil
Marc Stein ‘reporting’ on twitter that Denver would immediately match, so toronto would have to make a deal to shed salary to make ‘real offer’ for chandler….
Thoughts on making a pass to get Bayless back? Trade Armon/1st round pick for Bayless.
Gets them into the Wilson Chandler salary range; gets them an extra first round pick.
A win now trade
“There are NO other realistic closers/proven scorers on the market”
It’s definitely debatable if Steve Nash is “on the market” but I think its pretty hard to argue he’s not a closer.
Two ideas to get Nash:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7yoqtt8
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6mxuuco
Obviously, the question is how good does this really make the Blazers and is it worth losing roster flexibility in the future. I think I prefer the Dallas trade because Marion’s contract isn’t as bad as Childress’s considering how much better he is.
Starters
Nash
Batum
Marion
LA
Camby
Bench
Crawford
We$
Smith
Thomas
Pryz
To me, this team is really dangerous. You’ve got two creating PGs surrounded by good 3-pt shooting and lots of length, athleticism and defense.
What about going after Wilson Chandler? He's like a younger Wallace in many ways, although maybe not as good.
A guy in his mold is the ideal wing paring with Batum. You trade Wallace for a point guard and/or big and sign WIlson Chandler.
"Brandon Roy has done this before."
LOVE IT.
typical blazers move. Trade Gerald Wallace for as much as you can get. Then replace G-Wall by stealing Wilson Chandler away from the Nuggets. He would cost less. Hes only 24yrs old. Keeps him away from Denver. Can play SF/SG so he can slip in behind NIc/Wes of even replace Wes.
it’s a great move. If we were to trade Gwall and sign Chandler it would save us money, make us younger and provide depth at SG/SF.
I agree
what I’ve seen of Chandler has impressed me.
by hoodieNation on Feb 23, 2012 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
Calderon for Felton
Either straight up or add role players + Rudy’s trade exception. Toronto wants Wilson Chandler but needs to clear cap space.
I love WES but......
Wes’s inconsistencys and flaws on offense are exactly why I started this thread and suggested we trade him for Monta Ellis. Wes would do well in GS and Wallace is a valuable trade chip right now. Using him to upgrade to Ellis is a great move for this organization.
I agree his contract is a little spendy and he does shoot a lot. But he will AVG 22pts a game. He’s a proven scorer. He can get to the line, draw fowls, and score in the paint. All the things Wes cant do. You have to have a guy like that to win games down the stretch. It’s why we lose games in the 4th so consistently. When we had Brandon Roy it was the total opposite. We would WIN games in the 4th because he could get to the line. Thats where games are won.
Wes can’t do it. Monta can.
Transferring in a recent fanpost...
This is from Gunballs, I told him to come by here for any replies. I also explained the handiness of the ESPN Trade Machine.
Gerald Wallace and Jamal Crawford for Josh Smith and Tracy McGrady. I’m not that knowledgeable about cap space so this might not be realistic. Nonetheless I thought it was entertaining to consider.
Smith is a good player, probably the best player on a winning team. But Nate’s style might actually get more out of Smith. Maybe a little better decision making and more consistency with effort. He’s not an ideal player alongside Aldridge, but I could see the two of them doing well protecting the basket and rebounding. Smith is currently at 9.5 rebounds and 2.1 blocks per. You could also play him at the 3 with Aldridge and Camby or possibly Prysbilla to go against the bigger teams like the Lakers for short spurts. In terms of 4 or 5, I feel like if two bigs can play together and get the job done, it doesn’t much matter what position they are defined with.
I think Crawford has gotten a little bit of a bum wrap this year. He’s brought to the team what was expected, with 4th quarter shooting. But because of team deficits he seems to keep getting put into positions that aren’t his strengths. For instance he might be savvy at with his handles, but his passes more often than not are not on time or on target. I just don’t think he should be playing the point at all. He’s a back up two and good at it, but right now the organization is gonna be moving, one way or another, to playing Williams more in that role.
McGrady is intriguing because he can still fill it up just not with consistency like he used to. But in terms of taking shots in the 4th I think he could replace Crawford. His benefit over Crawford is versatility. He pays more attention to D than he used to when he was younger and healthier (3 blocks in his last game). He played the point forward for Detroit last year and I thought he did a nice job. He could push Felton for minutes or take them if necessary. He can play 3 positions. He’s also knows what it’s like to be a prime time player. I could be wrong but I get the impression he’s hungry and wants badly to advanace further in the playoffs. I would imagine not escaping the first round is a nasty thorn for a former all NBA player.
Wallace could breathe life into Atlanta. They are a really soft team, just to mention one glaring deficit.
With Smith and McGrady we let guys slide into more natural roles and still retain our length and then some.
I really think Josh Smith and Aldridge would be a good PF and C pair.
Josh Smith is unique in that he fills in almost all of Aldridge’s holes. He blocks shots and crashes the glass. The only issue would be on defense, where we’d lack a big body. I’d argue that the length and quickness of Smith and LMA would be enough to effectively shut down Howard, Bynum, Gasol, and Bogut: the only post up centers left in the league. The speed and length of a Batum, Smith, and Aldridge front court is very exciting. Plus we’d be one step closer to an all-Smith lineup.
"Brandon Roy has done this before."
This would be the trade to end all trades
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=823jysv
PG: K. Hinrich, J. Crawford, N. Smith
SG: M. Ellis, (J. Crawford), E. Williams
SF: N. Batum, (J. Smith)
PF: J. Smith, C. Smith, (L. Aldridge)
C: L. Aldridge, A. Biedrins, K. Thomas, J. Pryzbilla
That’s a killer line up. It’s full of fast, long, ball-hawks.
GS gets a couple of guys who I think would fit in perfect with Mark Jackson’s style.
ATL gets cap relief forced by Joe Johnson’s bloated contract, and maybe closure to the fact that the current Hawks aren’t going anywhere. Theoretically we could take on Marvin Williams’ contract for Jamal Crawford, which would still make the trade worth it.
"Brandon Roy has done this before."
no offense but
any trade that we end up with Hinrich cannot be classified as “good trade”for us
La Illaha Illallah Muhamadur Rasulallah
No offense?
LA, Crawford, and Batum can’t get shots for themselves (or others for that matter)? This lineup would be a headache for anyone.
JoSmith, Biedrins, LA, and Batum on the interior defending? Get that “stuff” out of here crew!
Ellis, Crawford, and an up-in-coming EWilliams to breakdown oppositions perimeter? You dropped your jock back their crew!
What is not to like? Immediate contenders on paper.
by gr8odensravens on Feb 24, 2012 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
Oh Yeah...
and we would be in the luxury tax zone for a while, but if PA wants to contend for an NBA title in a small market while under the Law of someone named Murphy, he shouldn’t have a problem with pulling the trigger on this.
by gr8odensravens on Feb 24, 2012 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
Smith's a good shot-blocker for sure, but he doesn't rebound any better than Aldridge
7.8 (Aldridge) vs. 8.3 (Smith) rebs / 36 min for their careers.
.5 rebs/36 is better.
and frankly, we don’t need a rebounding monster if we have solid (but nothing special) rebounders who can block shots like mad (Smith, Batum, Aldridge to some extent).
by avalancheman on Feb 25, 2012 11:24 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah but...
It’s supprisingly one of the few big 4 team trades thats not crazy and ridiculous like most people suggest. HOWEVER, the Grizzlies wouldnt want Haywoods 5 year contract. They have Marc Gasol, Randolph, and just traded for M. Speights (PF/C) and he’s been a great addition for cheap. He’s a guy I wanted us to target.
So unfortunatlly, that destroys your trade.
Here, same trade, plus we get Haywood (who I think is a good fit here)
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7ock7yl
"Brandon Roy has done this before."
big risk
It looks like a nice trade. And I’d love to get Monta..but us taking on Haywood and Monta is a big risk. Those are two potentially dangerous contracts. I wouldn’t be willing to take on Haywoods contract just to get Beaubois.
by Josh Wagner on Feb 24, 2012 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
this is definetely a good trade for us, but no so sure for the other teams
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7s6db2p
Portland: Nash, Ellis, Frye
Suns: Camby, Felton, Rudy fernandez trade exception
Warriors: Wallace, Matthews
Portland lineup:
C: Frye/Thomas/Pryzbilla*
PF: LA/Frye/Thomas
SF: Batum/Smith/Babbitt
SG:Ellis/Crawford/E.Will
PG: Nash/N.Smith
We can have tremendous shooters in clutch situations (LA, Batum, Crawford, Ellis, Nash). If Nash retires, then Ellis can be our PG with either crawford or E.Will playing SG. Our major issues would be weak center and no good bench SF. May be next year, we can trade Nash for a Center….what do ya guys think?
Nash retires?
Nash is now discussing signing a contract extension with the Suns. Idk if they will do it since they are semi-rebuilding. But Nash is still playing great and currently leading the league in assist per game. Hes not retiring for another 3-4 years.
by Josh Wagner on Feb 24, 2012 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
Uh...
This trade is a lot to digest. And at first glance it just has far too many big names involved to even be believable.
It’s basicaly the trade I originally suggested to start the thread only you added in the Suns.
I’m very ciritcal of trades. But when you really break the trade down it makes a lot fo sence. Phoenix is rebuilding so they would be able to shed Channing Frys contract(if thats what they want to do) while brining in a potential future PG in Felton.
While it makes a lot of sence and I would love it for Portland(leaves us without a Center unless you are ok with the oldest guy in the league taking over). But I can’t imagine this many big names and contracts siwtching hands. Sometimes it makes sence but nobody is willing to pull the trigger.
Hilarious spoof from The Onion
Knicks trade Jeremy Lin for Monte Ellis
http://www.theonion.com/video/injured-derrick-rose-will-play-next-game-strapped,27394/
Crazy trade.
You just blew my mind. Very intriguing trade. It makes a lot of sence. I mean boston needs to be rejuvinated and Felton and monta ellis could def do that. The only way it would work is if Boston dealt Ray Allen(they wont deal Paul Pierce) or they view Monta as a starting PG with felton as the backup because Monta wont be the 6th man.
So in other words…probablly not realistic. But a pretty cool idea.
Swap Crawford for Matthews.
We shouldn’t give up Matthews, the second best shooter on the team this season (after Batum). The Warriors would probably want Crawford anyway, to make up for some of what Ellis gave them in terms of a poor-shooting black hole. It would help Matthews and Batum’s numbers, as they would get more open shots with Rondo’s ability to break down a defense, and their good shooting would help space the floor for him to prevent defenses from just sagging and collapsing. Rondo can’t hit an outside shot, but that’s something he can work on (though at this point in his career I feel like he is who he’s going to be as a player). What he can do is create in the last few minutes of a game, and either score himself, or dish to LA, Batum, or Matthews.
Salaries be damned in this scenario...
Sorry to say, but Boston will not give up Rondo unless we include LA or Batum (our two best players right?)
by gr8odensravens on Feb 24, 2012 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
Boston isn't giving up Rondo for LA and Batum
it’s a pipe dream for Blazers fans to get Rondo. Ainge is going to build around his franchise pg.
I think you are mistaken
So do people who follow the league. Rondo has been on the trading block for 2 years now.
http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/smith_120227.html
Time for Ray to shine. HE BETTER!
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 27, 2012 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
Not true
I think a solid combo of pick and Matthews/Wallace can get it done.
Time for Ray to shine. HE BETTER!
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 27, 2012 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
I LOVE RAJON RONDO
Everyone keeps saying he’s not a fit in portland because he can’t shoot outside. He gets the same knock on him that Andre got. however, he’s a much better defender. If were going to stand by Wesley, Batum, and Aldridge we don’t need him to be able to shoot. We need a distributor and someone who creates turnovers and can run a defense.
Rondo does all of that and more.
BUT the blazers are good. Were never out of a game. Our downfall is we can’t get to the line and can’t finish games. Rondo doesn’t fix that.
Monta Ellis does. period.
take Rondo off Boston and
watch him fail. Have you watched the C’s with Rondo on the court and Pierce and Allen on the bench? It’s worse than any 22 seconds of dribbling and hucking by Jamal Crawford! Rondo is one of the worst shooters in the 1-2 guard positions outside of 12 feet. Andre could/can at least hit a set jumper at the elbow. Miller shot a solid % from the line, Rondo is terrible. Rondo does well in Boston because of a very well executed offense that is balanced by shooters and floor spacing.
Don’t get me wrong- Rondo is a very good passer and arguably the best defender at the point (with a tip of the hat to CP3). However if you put him in Portland or any other team that can’t consistently knock down shots from the outside all you’re going to see are defenses going under screens and packing the paint tighter than a fragile shipping container. It just doesn’t work.
"Wesley Matthews bounces around the court with so much energy he's a couple of glow sticks and some bumping house music short of being a human rave"... -Canzano
Did you read what I wrote?
I said I love Rajon Rondo BUT…he doesn’t solve any of our problems.
- We can’t close games(Rondo’s not a shooter and can’t close games)
- Can’t get to the foul line (Rondo can but he can’t make the shot)
So i agree don’t go for Rondo. I love the guy but with the way this team in constructed he doesn’t solve our problem. HOWEVER, if we could get Ray allen too then I would retract that statement.
Maybe this…
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=79jbsdb
We would probablly have to add a pick to complete it.
Rondo is a much much much better player than Ellis
Why all the ellis love recently? Dude is just Crawford a few years ago?
Time for Ray to shine. HE BETTER!
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 27, 2012 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
Steve Nash and Gortat.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7j6rnd3
I know everyone thinks Gortat is unattainable. but dont underestimate how important expiring contracts and draft picks can be.
Even with two first rounders Portland does that in a heartbeat.
big maybe for phoenix… and only if Nash wants to come to Portland.
by avalancheman on Feb 24, 2012 6:44 PM PST up reply actions
Hahahahaha. You're funny.
Phoenix would never do that. Sarver may be cheap, but he’s not that cheap.
Al Jefferson,Boris Diaw,Paul Milsap and DJ Augustin
by I_am_blazers_fan on Feb 24, 2012 7:50 PM PST reply actions
I like the basic idea in here...
however the one player in Utah that’s probably untouchable is Milsap. I wouldn’t want him though simply b/c we don’t have the minutes for him. Al Jeff and DJ Augustin would be very nice though. Diaw doesn’t have a terrible contract and would give a nice stretch 4 off the bench.
I thought I heard last year that the Jazz were open to shopping Al Jeff- maybe there’s truth to that again this year- but then again would they make that trade within the division?
"Wesley Matthews bounces around the court with so much energy he's a couple of glow sticks and some bumping house music short of being a human rave"... -Canzano
Really?
With our 2012 first rd pick and 2014 first round pick I think they would consider it. They would have G-wall and Felton to consider building around and a lot of money coming off the books.
It’s a lot more feasible than you would think. We could add babbit, Elliot Williams, Nolan Smith, Greg oden’s expiring contract, maybe take on another bad contract. Lots of ways for us to help them while getting us a short term solution at PG in Nash and a long term center in Gortat.
HA
Were not stealing BOTH Milsap and Jefferson from Utah. They actually have built a descent little team with great depth at the PF/C positions in Kanter, Favors, etc. But they aren’t giving up both those guys to a divison rival for salary relief.
Maybe this?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=89jqfky
Plus our 2012 first round and second RD pick.
We would be taking a lot of money off their hands and giving them a lot of flexibility this offseason without taking any of their young core.
I went over to celticsblog
and they have a lot of trade ideas that wold send Rondo to Portland. I know that doesnt mean jack but i found it intriguing
Rondo to Portland.
So here is a trade that would bring Rondo to Portland. It’s similar to a trade suggested by $keetles a few comments up, but I feel like I improved it slightly. A few notes about this idea:
1) Ideally, the Blazers would send Crawford to Golden State instead of Matthews (but the trade machine won’t let me include Crawford until March 1). Crawford would help them replace some of what Ellis gave them in terms of being a poor-shooting black hole, and they would have $15-20 million in expiring contracts (depending on if Crawford opts out of the second year of his deal or not), and Crawford could create when Curry is off the floor.
2) The Blazers would probably send a first round pick and a few second round picks to the Celtics, but I think it would be worth it to go forward with a core of LA, Batum, Matthews, and Rondo. Additionally, Biendrins is playing horribly this year, but is only 25, and is I think a better player than he’s shown this year. His best two seasons were 2007-‘09, when he averaged a double-double (10.5-9.8 in ’07-’08, and 11.9-11.2 in ‘08-’09), and has always been an adequate, if not good, defender (though how much of that was due to Don Nelson not caring about defense is up for debate; in seven seasons under Nelli, he averaged a 105 DRTG, and this year under first-year head coach Mark Jackson who emphasizes defense, his DRTG is 103). So maybe a change of scenery can return him to his ‘07-’09 form.
3) It really depends on if the Celtics want to give up Ray Allen or not. I’m not sure if they are willing to trade him, or want to keep him because he has an expiring contract. But in this trade they would net a first round pick, plus Ellis to put next to Paul Pierce, and a good interior presence in Camby for the rest of the year. The trade could also work without Allen, but if they want to move him as well then the numbers work.
A quick follow up...
This trade would leave the Blazers thin at the SF and PG spots (our first three guards would be Rondo, Allen, and Matthews, and Batum and Babbitt would be the only SF’s on the roster). However, I feel like a number of BlazersEdge members (myself included) want the younger players to see some playing time and after this trade Elliot Williams, Armon Johnson, Nolan Smith and Babbitt would have the opportunity to step up and show the are rotation players. We spent first round picks on Smith, Williams and Babbit, the least we can do is see if they are worth anything.
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