Update: Blazers C Greg Oden Undergoes Second Microfracture On Left Knee; Officially Done For Season
by Ben Golliver on Feb 20, 2012 4:10 PM PST
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PrintThe Portland Trail Blazers issued a surprising announcement on Monday afternoon: center Greg Oden underwent microfracture surgery on his left knee rather than the arthroscopic procedure the team announced he would undergo on Monday morning.
Blazers Acting GM Chad Buchanan will meet with the media in 20 minutes. Here's the team press release.
The Portland Trail Blazers have announced that center Greg Oden underwent microfracture surgery on his left knee today. The surgery was performed by Dr. Richard Steadman in Vail, Colo. Oden will miss the remainder of the 2011-12 NBA season.
"Initially, Greg was undergoing a procedure similar to the one he had a couple of weeks ago to have debris cleared from his right knee," said Acting General Manager Chad Buchanan . "However, once the doctors were inside Greg's left knee, they unfortunately found articular surface damage and determined microfracture was necessary."
Oden, who will become an unrestricted free agent at the end of this season, was selected by the Trail Blazers with the first overall pick in the 2007 NBA Draft. In 82 career games (60 starts), Oden has averaged 9.4 points (57.7% FG), 7.3 rebounds and 1.43 blocks in 22.1 minutes per game.
"This is not the news we were hoping for Greg or the organization," said Trail Blazers President Larry Miller. "It's hard to put into words the heartbreak for everyone involved, but especially for Greg. He's a young man who has experienced a great number of physical challenges in his playing career and today is yet another significant setback for him. We have a lot of empathy for Greg and his family during this difficult time."
Many more details to come from a forthcoming press conference.
Sorry for the delay this afternoon. Big thanks to DrScience for getting there first in the FanShots.
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Sometimes it just doesn't make sense.
I hope Greg can be healthy and enjoy the rest of his life. He has a lot of years left.
Time to look past oden.
"Tommy: Did you hear I finally graduated?
Richard Hayden: Yeah, and just a shade under a decade too. All right. "
ridiculous lol
i hope he just leaves to be honest.
goes to the cavs and becomes a monster.
/cambyfive
my thoughts exactly
He’ll rehab for a year then come back good as gold. Oden and Kyrie, dynamic duo.
I would hate to see that
I don’t wish misfortune upon Oden, but come on…being a Blazer fan is hard enough as it is. I’d be ok if he just retired at this point, would be crushed and probably angry if the fates conspired to grant him health and success in another uniform.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
I would like to propose
After this post, we officially end all Oden talk on this forum, until there is some sort of new hard news (mid summer at the earliest).
Really, what more is there to say? It’s all been said and re-said and discusses, and argued, and re-argued, and spun and twisted and angled ad-nauseum. Let’s just have our discussion on the latest today, then agree to just ….. LET IT GO… and move on. Pro-Oden, Anti-Oden, Oden-neutral – it doesn’t matter anymore. It’s done. The horse has been beat to death, buried, dug up, beat some more, then re-buried and burned in effigy. Enough is enough.
I implore you, let’s move on. Please, please don’t make me wade through Oden posts for the foreseeable future. There is nothing to discuss anymore.
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
by douglast on Feb 20, 2012 4:16 PM PST reply actions 31 recs
It's cute you think you can speak for everyone here
"How you gonna fire a ninja Paul?" - Rich Cho
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Feb 20, 2012 4:18 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
really?
did I say that? I made a proposal, not a demand.
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
by douglast on Feb 20, 2012 4:19 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
But why even bother
I recognize that your original post was somewhat sarcastic, but If people want to write and read about Greg, why get in the way?
Just as a practical matter it seems like it would be a lot easier for you to impose a personal moratorium on reading about Greg Oden than to try to get thousands of other people to agree to stop writing about him.
by JasonCantDunk on Feb 20, 2012 4:42 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
actually, it wasn't sarcastic at all
Honestly, what more is there to say after today? Do we really need to be inundated with “Oden is a bust”, “should have drafted Durant”, “oden will be back”, etc. posts for the next who knows how long?
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
by douglast on Feb 20, 2012 4:51 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't worry,
Remember, there is a reason why your OP has 22 recs and counting
by Corvallis, OR on Feb 20, 2012 6:32 PM PST up reply actions
This one is from us Greg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZweOE3iSNfY&feature=related
La Illaha Illallah Muhamadur Rasulallah
not saying he won't
I just don’t want to debate the if or not if until there is actually something new to discuss
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
No, he won't
Not until he gets away from the clutches of the Blazers’ medical and training staff. The day I heard that Dr. Roberts’ guru was Dr. Richard Steadman, inventor of the microfracture procedure, I felt a sinking feeling in my gut.
Way back in ‘83, when my knee was reconstructed, the physical therapists who worked on me said that Steadman was an overrated, self-promoting hack. Was this accurate? I don’t know for certain; I’m not an expert. But the whole long, sad Oden saga has made me believe that it is.
I still believe in Greg Oden. The Blazers' medical staff? Not so much.
I'd change my handle to "bringback'09," but I'm too lazy.
Honestly, I'm with Douglast.
At the end of the day, it’s up to Dave and Ben to decide what does or does not get posted on this site. I think his feelings are heartfelt on this issue and I think there are many people who feel the same way. Obviously, not everybody agrees, but that’s how it goes right?
I’m sure that the SBN traffic analysis shows that BE posts about Greg’s toejam generate more site traffic than the daily volume of a third of the other NBA team blogs on this system. There’s no reason to believe that douglast’s proposal should outweigh the hit counter, green or not.
FWIW, I will do my own part by ending my participation in frivolous G.O. threads. If a return date is announced, or his trade/departure/retirement is announced, that’s one thing. But I’m quitting all the rehab updates and off-court sightings cold turkey. Thank goodness we’ve got a L@kers GDT coming up shortly to siphon off all the attention.
In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice they're not.
by conspirator5 on Feb 20, 2012 5:13 PM PST up reply actions
I support this also...
Until we have real news regarding Greg’s future I don’t think there is anything more to say. I wish the best for him and will continue to hope… no matter how blindly… for his return to the Blazers but I have no desire to dissect the possibilities… Nothing good can come from it!
For now… BEAT LA!
#7... GO BLAZERS!!!
One thing we know
There won’t be anything new to write about Oden, for a long while.
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Feb 20, 2012 5:36 PM PST up reply actions
Some Oden-related posts probably should be embargoed
Anything along the lines of “Ha, ha, I told you he’s a bust” ought to be flaggable. There are some Blazer fans, it seems, who would rather be right than have Oden play well. (Including more than a few who were Oden-over-Durant in 2007).
On the other side of the coin, reality is what it is. I’ve long considered anything from Oden to be gravy; the team needs to plan accordingly. (And from what I can tell, they have).
Si equum mortuum flagellēs, non celerium currat.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 20, 2012 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
in other words
There is no news here. Move on about your lives citizens.
Win the day!
Coffee is for Closers!
Always Be Closing!
you don't have to visit the site or wade through anything
while i won’t read posts with the title “greatest bust ever” or “jordan now durant. etc.”, i don’t think it’s appropriate to propose to people they shouldn’t comment and discuss that largest news of the day.
actually he does have to wade through it. douglast is a moderator
Disclaimer: There is a high chance this comment contains sarcasm, so please just chill out, relax, and have a nice l@ker hating day.
i think it's perfectly appropriate to Propose it
others can feel free to disagree and decide to write posts.
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
also, note that I fully supported all along discussing it TODAY
as it is certainly news. I said AFTER today
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
gotta wonder if the Blazers brass new this was going to happen before the season began
Oden is done. Even if he did become a great post player, I want it to be somewhere else. We NEED to move on from the idea that Oden might be able to come back and have a significant impact on this team.
Ruben Boumtje-Boumtje, Vladimir Stepania, Ha(ha you suck) Seung Jin, Travis Diener and Erick Barkley
They knew
That’s why they haven’t spoken about anything good. Plus they tuned up his good knee so he could walk after the micreoffacture on the left.
I am sick about this. So much promise and potential a few years ago up in smoke. How much heartbreak can one franchise bestow on its devoted and loving fans? I was as giddy as anyone and now this.
Greg, though it may not seem so great now, you have so much to look forward to. Rehab, go back to school and if you are ever well enough to take a shot at the nba, we’d love to see you back in p-town.
by doomsdaymachine on Feb 20, 2012 4:58 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
It's almost too bad he negotiated his contract down.
Now he can’t even be GOEC to help a trade or get some draft picks (I don’t think anyways).
Disclaimer: There is a high chance this comment contains sarcasm, so please just chill out, relax, and have a nice l@ker hating day.
Most injury prone player in the history of the NBA gets injured
SURPRISE!
by meRoy on Feb 20, 2012 4:18 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
uhm
no team with Aldridge and Batum needs to rebuild period!
by Odenrising on Feb 20, 2012 5:34 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm glad to hear someone else feels that way...
…throw in Wes off the bench, our looming cap space and the promise of Nolan and Elliot and a re-tooling makes a lot more sense to me.
I’m not even completely opposed to keeping Gerald if we can find a way to get a quality big guy and a PG and still keep him.
Rebuilding has a uncomfortable link to tanking for me and I am anti-tank.
#7... GO BLAZERS!!!
Tragedy
Feel terrible for the guy!
by DonttrashCrash on Feb 20, 2012 4:19 PM PST via mobile reply actions
i feel bad for him, yes
but I don’t throw around words like Tragedy lightly.
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
In may not be a life Tragedy...
But it is kind of a Blazer tragedy.
It’s a shame either way. I really don’t spend much time doing the, “if we’d have only taken Durant” thing but it sure could have been a different Blazer landscape if GO would have been the beast he could have been.
In that fan sense it is kind of a tragedy.
#7... GO BLAZERS!!!
I dont.
He has made roughly 30 million dollars to play a grand total of 82 games. Its too bad that he is having such repetitive health issues, but he is still one lucky sob in the grand scheme of things…
NEED....BASKET.....BALL.....
by Armon Jonesin on Feb 20, 2012 6:46 PM PST up reply actions
Damn
I JUST WANT MY BASKETBALL BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Sean in Vancouver on Feb 20, 2012 4:22 PM PST reply actions
Unbelievable...
I thought this was an article from last year when I saw it at first. Poor dude can’t get a break!
I wish him all the best and maybe…just maybe… this will be for the best in the long run. I don’t think we have to worry about many teams throwing a crazy offer at him and maybe…just maybe… he’ll actually play again for us.
I’m with douglast on this issue though. Let’s just let it go for now and move on while wishing Greg well.
Good luck Greg and stay strong!
#7... GO BLAZERS!!!
I shrugged when I saw this headline.
Some bodies just aren’t meant to play NBA basketball. Greg’s appears to be one of those.
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
"It was bad reffing...but not rip apart the fabric of time bad." -- The Arkitect, Game 79 Blazers versus Mavericks Post-Game Thread
Forget basketball. You got to wonder if he has the body to withstand daily life
No one in the world can beat me at RBI baseball 3(nes).
exactly
he developed the need for another micro fracture simply trying to rehab back to that of a healthy human being that can walk and run. Professional basketball doesn’t look like it is in his future anymore…
NEED....BASKET.....BALL.....
by Armon Jonesin on Feb 20, 2012 6:44 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not sure I agree
His recovery regimen was intended to permit him to resume a career as a professional athlete, and involved far more rigorous stuff than a grandma getting a MF would get.
Si equum mortuum flagellēs, non celerium currat.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 20, 2012 6:52 PM PST up reply actions
purely speculation since I am not a doctor.
But I doubt his rehab becomes much more rigorous than that of Joe Everyman until he reaches the point of walking and jogging. Surely after that he would need special treatment to reestablish himself as an elite athlete, but getting to the point of walking cant be much different than your average persons rehab regimen IMO…
NEED....BASKET.....BALL.....
by Armon Jonesin on Feb 20, 2012 7:06 PM PST up reply actions
He's been doing that for a while
He hasn’t been cleared for basketball, but IIRC he was beyond the “can walk” point.
Si equum mortuum flagellēs, non celerium currat.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 20, 2012 7:11 PM PST up reply actions
IMO Blazers should become a feeder for an elite wheelchair basketball team.
I reckon with his long arms, Greg could still dunk, even confined to a chair.
by Underbridges on Feb 20, 2012 4:23 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Most likely miss the 12-13 season.
See you in 2013-14 season Greg! I will still remember your dominance from 2009!!! /sarcasm
maybe oden will be ready to play when roy can come out of retirement and play for the blazers. roy-aldridge-oden dynasty anyone?
Pretty fitting that this happens the day after KD drops 51
No one in the world can beat me at RBI baseball 3(nes).
Indeed
Seriously just cruel to have Sam Bowie 2.0…
by ap3604 on Feb 20, 2012 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
at least bowie got back on the court and we turned him into buck williams
No one in the world can beat me at RBI baseball 3(nes).
So it goes...
Poo-tee-weet.
The smarter you are, the more likely you are to be tripping balls at any given moment.
/keep Batum and Aldridge/ /BLOW IT UP/
by gtbassett on Feb 20, 2012 4:25 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
On a different subject...
are any of our guards actually happy about anything or do we need to trade all of them? I getting tired of their pissyness.
Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.
What a shame
I feel so bad for the guy. Half the tweets I’ve seen related to him are jokes but really now, who can joke about such news?
I wish the best for Greg in his future endeavors.
by JMLakaShotCaller on Feb 20, 2012 4:26 PM PST via mobile reply actions
it's past jokes now...
now it’s just sad. THREE microfracture surgeries. No one has played in the NBA after THREE. I just can’t imagine where he is mentally.
Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.
Dude.
If you’re recovering from surgery, I don’t care how good the drugs are. You aren’t enjoying it.
Si equum mortuum flagellēs, non celerium currat.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 20, 2012 5:11 PM PST up reply actions
I have to say, this is my straw.
You know, the one that breaks the camel’s back.
Hell, in the last thread talking about cleaning out the knee, I was thinking he still had a possibility of returning this season.
Wow.
When you start having surgeries to fix problems that have occurred since the last surgery for the same thing and no basketball has been played, I think you have to give up.
Me too
I’ve been an Oden believer until. . . just now.
Camel’s Back, I’d like to introduce you to the Final Straw. Final Straw, Camel’s Back.
by unblindloyalty on Feb 20, 2012 4:53 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
the last one got me to quit hoping anymore
this news doesn’t phase me in the least, but it doesn’t make it any less sad. I really feel for Greg, I think anyone taking pot shots at him right now needs to take a look in the mirror.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Agree...
you gotta be a pretty sorry individual to be making funny of this young man right now…
I can’t even imagine what’s going on in his mind. Tough break after tough break…
#7
I hope for the best.
I hope the best for the guy as he has shown he’s a good guy and a Trailblazer. I support him during his rehab. I hope the Trailblazers sign him to a minimum contract during his upcoming rehab, and work with him. I hope he can give this another try, and that’s it’s with the Blazers.
I understand many fans will see this as false hope. So what. Good luck, for once, Mr. Oden.
Hope is good...
…and I have it too.
Nothing wrong with hoping for the best as long as we can handle the worst if it happens.
#7... GO BLAZERS!!!
This is downright unbelievable
Gotta feel for the guy, I don’t know how anyone could continue to work to come back from this.
Check out The Dream Shake.
Terrible news
But not even as close to terrible as any fans inside the RG that boo him when his face or even a mention of him appears on the screen.
Boo effort and hustle all you like. Don’t boo bad luck and genetics.
by Scorcho on Feb 20, 2012 4:29 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I feel for Greg...
No one should have to suffer what he’s been through…money or no money, that is a lot of mental anguish and physical suffering to go through only to repeat it again and again. I hope he stays strong and moves on. He has a whole lifetime ahead of him…
#7
LA
Praying for my bro G.O. get better!
PHILLY!
by CleBlazer on Feb 20, 2012 4:32 PM PST reply actions 7 recs
What a crapper
I do feel bad for Greg but I am a Portland Trailblazer fan and it is hard to get superior talent to come to Portland and seems even harder to be able to recognize it in the draft.
it wasn't a matter of not recognizing talent in the draft, it was taking a gamble on a dominant positional player who may have had physical issues
if Greg had stayed healthy, nobody would be calling him out for his talent.
I don't give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way.
Mark Twain
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by Tyler Durrden on Feb 20, 2012 5:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Hope he goes back to Ohio State. He’s intelligent and basketball isn’t in the cards.
by jksnake99 on Feb 20, 2012 4:34 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
shocking !
Can we PLEASE move on now. Get some BIGS, quit with whinning guards and play basketball ??
just win baby !
by FrenchieFan on Feb 20, 2012 4:34 PM PST via mobile reply actions
what is up with the whiny guards??
I’m so done with them.
Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.
It's that mean coach Nate !
the nerve he has, expecting players to get in shape , and play at a professional level, without excuses. Every year same story, insert new guard name here _ , LOL !!!
Let’s get one thing straight though Blazer nation, Greg is not POOR.
He has been payed well to watch his teammates play all these years.
just win baby !
Worst part of the whole thing is the opportunity cost of not trying to go after another center because we were waiting
Poor kid. Remember how happy go lucky he was when we first drafted him
No one in the world can beat me at RBI baseball 3(nes).
Please Retire
I’d like to see this guy come back and have a shot at erasing the bust label. As it stands now though Oden is by far the worst number one overall pick in the last 30 years and one of the biggest busts in sports history
by Guess Who's Back? on Feb 20, 2012 4:37 PM PST reply actions
In an an unfortunate way (for Greg), this latest setback really helps the Blazers front office this summer. I’m not sure anyone will offer Oden a contract and thus the team don’t have to worry about matching a RFA offer to him. No more war room meetings discussing big men in free agency when someone says, “..but what if Greg returns? We have to leave some money available to match this summer.” I’m excited about 2012/2013. Heck, it may even affect the team’s decision-making prior to the trade deadline THIS season! It certainly helps them crunch numbers to keep at least Batum if not Wallace & Batum both.
Oh and watch the L*ker game on mute tonight. Unless you enjoy non-stop TNT injury banter about Roy & Oden.
"It feels good to give the fans Taco Bell."
- Luke Babbitt, 1/23/2012
he wasn't going to be an RFA this summer anyway, so no match situations were in play.
but your wider point remains, they can completely write him off for next year, if they hadn’t already.
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
Good call. I forgot that he's UFA.
"It feels good to give the fans Taco Bell."
- Luke Babbitt, 1/23/2012
hit this thread at 52 comments, 52 unread.
Fitting.
Sorry, big man.
Sorry
"All is vanity and vexation of spirit."
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"All is vanity and vexation of spirit."
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I've got ads for Meniscus replacement on BEdge.
The smarter you are, the more likely you are to be tripping balls at any given moment.
/keep Batum and Aldridge/ /BLOW IT UP/
I've never looked back.
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by hoodieNation on Feb 20, 2012 5:52 PM PST up reply actions
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I don't give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way.
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by Tyler Durrden on Feb 20, 2012 7:08 PM PST up reply actions
Another microfracture
can’t this dude get a break for once. Maybe it’s the curse of Mutombo.
"Wide, girthy. Just like a Rhino. Sometimes my horns are visible."
"Break" might not be the best word choice..
by michjac on Feb 20, 2012 4:51 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Who the cares about basketball when it comes to Greg at this point?
He’s 24 and I just hope for his sake that he can be healthy enough to walk and lead a normal life.
by JAWKS on Feb 20, 2012 4:47 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
"Surprising Announcement"
You meant unsurprising right? I would have been shocked to hear anything other than done for the year – again. Rinse, repeat.
If you weren't surprised by this
You are the only one. No other basketball player (any pro athlete?) has ever had two microfracture surgeries on the same knee.
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Feb 20, 2012 4:51 PM PST up reply actions
according to Pelton, that's not true.
He says Matt Harpring among others have had two microfractures on the same knees.
by howlingfantods on Feb 20, 2012 4:55 PM PST up reply actions
You are correct
Somehow I had missed that on Pelton’s list….here is a revealing article on microfracture written by Harpring himself.
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Feb 20, 2012 5:09 PM PST up reply actions
You should have been
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Feb 20, 2012 5:09 PM PST up reply actions
Of course you won't, which is sad
Because there is a lot to learn from how this was handled by the Blazers. We went from no symptoms and strange diagnosis of “weak” ligament to cleaning out debris to microfracture.
Belatedly, we are being told that Oden had some swelling – but this is new information not previously disclosed.
So, either everyone is genuinely surprised or the Blazers were manipulating the public. Either way, we have something to learn – either about Oden or about the Blazers.
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Feb 20, 2012 6:03 PM PST up reply actions
why?
lots of folks, myself included have assumed for years that his body is genetically flawed and the rigors of even heavy rehabbing will continually re-injure him.
there’s been a lot of reasons to believe this.
Blarney
He returned from hip surgery. He returned from a broken wrist. He returned from microfracture surgery.
Oden may indeed have a congenital or genetic defect that causes his articular cartilage to be especially vulnerable.
However, no one has any reason to believe this other than make invalid correlations between frequent injury and an assumption of a congenital or genetic defect.
Anyone can guess or assume – but unless you have special information about Oden himself – guesses and assumptions are not reasonable.
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Feb 20, 2012 6:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Big loss for both Greg and basketball
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
Hopefully GO has/had a good financial advisor...
.. because he might never suit up again at this rate.
at this rate
that won’t stop him from getting paid to maybe suit up, just saying.
The interesting question
Was the team—and Greg—expecting this? Back in December, we heard talk of an unspecified setback, and Greg reportedly negotiated the contract down. No other details were forthcoming at the time; but was this an expected or feared outcome?
Or did this come out of right field, and was unrelated to the setback mentioned in December?
Si equum mortuum flagellēs, non celerium currat.
Another interesting question
It might well come out that the reduced qualifying offer was a goodwill gesture to Oden—perhaps the team new a likely MF was necessary, and wanted to assist him with it, when they could have simply withdrawn the QO and cut their losses?
Si equum mortuum flagellēs, non celerium currat.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 20, 2012 4:57 PM PST up reply actions
If they knew then that he needed MF surgery
wouldn’t they have done it right away? It doesn’t make sense to have waited. Today he went in for the scope and they discovered the damage. Since it was on an articular surface it probably wouldn’t show up on an MRI. The set-back in December was said to be a non-weight bearing ligament so it probably wasn’t even related to the scope work.
I just heard comments from Chad Buchanan.
He said they knew this might be a possibility today but hoped for the best. Greg has had swelling in the knee as well as pain.
#52--------I believe in Greg Oden
had to be something that emerged during rehab
At the beginning of the season, Oden was asymptomatic.
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Feb 20, 2012 5:37 PM PST up reply actions
Well, not much to say at this point.
The silver lining in all of this has got to be that the Blazers now know where to send their money this summer. None of it will be tied up on Oden. Before a lot of people believed the Blazers would have to match any reasonable offer. Now, not so much….
One wonders if any offers will be forthcoming.
Some team might take a flier on him—Portland might even be willing to give him another deal, although for minimum money—but I have a hard time seeing him getting much in the way of serious offers without a clean bill of health.
I imagine the Blazers will be helping fund his recovery even beyond the end of his current contract (standard NBA practice). Such expenses don’t count against the cap or luxury tax, of course.
Si equum mortuum flagellēs, non celerium currat.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 20, 2012 4:55 PM PST up reply actions
Holy Moses, another MF?!
This has got to be unprecedented. Good luck Greg Oden. What a sucky situation…
I'm so sorry, Greg. This makes me sick. Hang in there guy.
#52--------I believe in Greg Oden
by annthefan on Feb 20, 2012 4:58 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
"Officially Done For Season"
…is starting to seem like an understatement.
Can this be the "official" ending of the injury bugaboo for Portland too?
God, I just want this brittle body chapter to be over with for the Portland Trail Blazers. Even in his short flashes, I really loved watching Oden play…sigh.
the non-chronically injured Blazers have been extraordinarily lucky with injuries this year.
i keep dancing on my own.
All the major ones (Roy, Oden) are all old news
On-court injuries sustained THIS year have all been minor.
Knock on wood.
Si equum mortuum flagellēs, non celerium currat.
by EngineerScotty on Feb 20, 2012 5:06 PM PST up reply actions
the blazers
have marcus camby on the roster who’s consistently injury prone although he typically places about 3/4 of the season.
outside of that the guys on the team have a solid history of staying healthy so it’s certainly likely the blazers will see fewer injuries this season than recent years.
granted, that’s not saying a whole lot.
there is no amount of injuries that can happen that will officially stop injuries from happening
I wish there was, but none of the injuries suffered by previous or current players can predict what injuries are yet to come.
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by Tyler Durrden on Feb 20, 2012 7:11 PM PST up reply actions
Hes beyond done.
OSU '06
GForce Crash Wallace FTW!
by TyboOSU on Feb 20, 2012 5:03 PM PST via mobile reply actions
4 years of reading this blog, 1st post
I feel bad this has to be it. Greg seems to be done…even if he does play NBA basketball again we are looking a year or two out…the blazes will and should cut ties. I wish Greg the best…through this all he has seemed like a nice person just with a failing body.
by Bowlbs on Feb 20, 2012 5:09 PM PST via mobile reply actions
This team has been riddled by shoulda, coulda, woulda
Even since Bill Walton, Sabonis, Darius Miles, Sam Bowie – the list goes on and on
Roy...
"My shoulder is OK. And away we go." -- Nic Batum
"wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow" -- Dave
Well, I was wrong.
I should have supported the Oden, Batum, Przybilla for CP3 trade that was floated around a few years ago.
by Oden Mad, Oden Smash! on Feb 20, 2012 5:13 PM PST reply actions
Wow.
Whenever I see Oden’s name, it brings up everything about Pritchard and the decision to draft Oden over Durant. This is an unfortunate circumstance, but one in which the team should sever ties and move on.
Ben's tweet: Blazers Acting GM Chad Buchanan on drafting Greg Oden over Kevin Durant: "Going back on it, I wouldn't have changed anything."
That ought to be grounds for immediate dismissal. What an absurd statement.
If they were just considering what Greg Oden would've been without the injuries
vs. what durant is now, I’d say he’s right.
"Wide, girthy. Just like a Rhino. Sometimes my horns are visible."
Absurd. Oden without injuries is only a lower scoring, better boarding Alonzo Mourning.
Durant has been contending for league MVP starting at age 22.
by howlingfantods on Feb 20, 2012 5:31 PM PST up reply actions
you are making a lot of assumptions about Oden's ceiling
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Feb 20, 2012 5:32 PM PST up reply actions
Myself
I don’t cry over spilled milk. It is what it is. I don’t begrudge Oky having Durant, I like the guy but he’s not on my team. So What! Oky could probably use a guy right now that was like what Oden was when he was playing. They’d probably be thought of as a sure bet with the best Vegas odds. No reason to knock Oden and player comparisons are mostly silly anyway. Alonzo Mourning in his prime would look pretty good in a Blazer uniform right now.
by XBlazerfan on Feb 20, 2012 5:43 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Oden without injuries
in his first two years could also be described as Dwight Howard with fewer minutes. His per minute averages were extremely similar except Oden’s FG/TS% was much better, albeit with a lot of fouling. Regardless, though, that conversation is pointless to have at this point.
Your original point is pretty inarguable, though. If Buchanan truly believes that quote outside of just inane media talk, though, he really should never hold a position of responsibility anywhere in the NBA.
I don’t really care what he says on the matter. He may just not want to throw anyone under the bus. I’m more concerned with the team’s recent draft record overall.
I honestly can't tell if they are failing to draft talent or develop it.
There’s a fail somewhere, but it’s unclear where.
by howlingfantods on Feb 20, 2012 5:38 PM PST up reply actions
probably a bit of both really
bad drafting and player development
depends on the context
if he saying that even with the benefit of hindsight, they wouldn’t change anything, then yes that is absurb. but he could just mean that they think they did everything right back then, and it just didn’t work out in a way that they couldn’t forsee. I think that’s fair.
then again, what do you expect them to say? that they are idiots?
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
it would help if they didn't continue to occlude the fact that their eval
for both Oden and Durant was tremendously off base. KP’s implication that Durant was a one-dimensional selfish gunner whereas Oden was the one who was a good teammate who actually cared about winning was particularly odious and incorrect.
by howlingfantods on Feb 20, 2012 5:34 PM PST up reply actions
every pritchard interview before, during and after the draft.
by howlingfantods on Feb 20, 2012 5:37 PM PST up reply actions
Part of it clearly was also the idea that bigs > smalls, which is a bit of NBA conventional wisdom that’s looking more and more outdated.
i keep dancing on my own.
Yes and No
Look at league champs the last ten years… They all have huge front lines
I heard many interviews with KP before, during and after the draft and never once did he disparage Durant in any way.
#52--------I believe in Greg Oden
paraphrasing: "one of these guys may win scoring title, but the other will win titles"
or “one thing we kept going back to when we evaluated them is that Oden has never cared about stats, but just about winning.” So the implication is that Durant cares about stats, not winning, yes?
by howlingfantods on Feb 20, 2012 5:50 PM PST up reply actions
I disagree with that being the implication
the implication is that the ability of a perimeter player to result in team championships is limited. Something that I don’t agree with but something that shouldn’t be read as a personal slight at Durant’s mentality.
i keep dancing on my own.
the first one might be debatable but the second really isn't.
if the distinction between Oden and Durant is stated as “oden doesn’t care about stats, only winning”, then it pretty much has to imply that that’s not true of Durant.
by howlingfantods on Feb 20, 2012 5:55 PM PST up reply actions
No it's not
What are you basing your assertion that G.O. isn’t a good teammate and doesn’t care about winning?
And Durant is kind of one-dimensional. He’s not that good on defense or anything else besides scoring. Granted, scores are how you win the game, so that’s still good, but it’s not like he racks up a lot of rebounds or assists. G.O. is a game-changer in the paint.
I didn't say that GO is. I'm saying that the Blazers FO was wrong in thinking that Durant is.
And that that reasoning was a big part of why they drafted Oden over Durant.
Durant is far far far from being one dimensional. He does in fact rebound extremely well for his position (his rebound rate is fourth in the league at his position) and is a plus defender at this point in his career.
by howlingfantods on Feb 20, 2012 5:47 PM PST up reply actions
I agree with Chad
and most other FOs probably would have as well
Deja Vu so this time next year the talk will again be
if Oden is back for the rest of the season. Just like last year. The only question is will it be here?
We can't ignore Oden. He'll always be a story.
When he officially retires, hopefully in 12 years after he has finally reached the court and thrown down a thousand dunks, the whole Durant/Oden can finally be put to rest.
Until then, he’s rehabbing for his next deal or playing actual ball.
We fans must embrace the pain and feel truly bad for the dude. Pretending this doesn’t suck is blind, but to each their own.
Oden won’t be here next year though. I think that’s pretty safe to assume. Be that as it may, we can expect less of these Oden updates as soon as he signs with another team this summer. The man will still be wanting to make some dough.
Come on, let's all hug it out.
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Feb 20, 2012 5:29 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I don't see why they wouldn't take Oden on again for a minimum contract
It won’t kill the cap space and you make a payout to players like that that never leave the bench so it’s a payout you make regardless.
exactly!
Why not hang in there and see for minimum money…as long as they get another big that is…
Third times a charm
rah cha cha
!!!o o!!!
OMG I just jizzed in my France
OMGrandpa
When Oden does become the best player ever
the league will make a new logo in his honor.
!!!o o!!!
OMG I just jizzed in my France
OMGrandpa
give him the veteran minimum
In fact sign him to a couple years, why not take a roster spot on him? He’s doing about as much as babs or armon, I’m a fan and I understand when people get emotional and say we just need to move on but having that monkey of biggest bust of all time on your back is a huge motivator and i think Gregs still going to try to redeem himself, if and when he gets healthy if he can’t play then we did all we can do and he did as well but if anybody thought he could come back and be somewhat successful after TWO microfracture surgeries why wouldn’t you take a flier on him after three? You can’t say because you lost all hope now because after the first and second surgeries you were lying to yourself if you thought he was gonna comeback and dominate the league, but with the loyalty the blazers have shown him if he thinks he can play it should be for us
by trax639 on Feb 20, 2012 5:45 PM PST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I'd rather he just move on from Portland
it’s just sad having to hear about him.
by hoodieNation on Feb 20, 2012 5:47 PM PST up reply actions
I agree trax639 as I stated above
although this is not an original thought for me as HailOden! pointed it out to me a month or so ago.
When I read the headline, I didn't even blink.
Of course, I thought it was just what they reported was going to happen. A moment later, I realized that it was more than that. But that I would even confuse the two says a lot about what’s happened.
It isn’t as gut-wrenching as the first time. But it does dredge up the sadness, like remembering a long lost friend.
"Anybody might guess beforehand that there would be blunders of the ignorant. What nobody could have guessed, what nobody could have dreamed of in a nightmare, what no morbid mortal imagination could ever have dared to imagine, was the mistakes of the well-informed." - G. K. Chesterton, The Common Man
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I am shocked that some of you still want this guy
I will save you the trouble, go get a rock from outside(free) and whack yourself in the junk everyday for the next twenty years(also free). Because it will be about as painful as believing the kid will ever be able to play basketball, and about as intelligent.
!!!o o!!!
OMG I just jizzed in my France
OMGrandpa
just in case you guys didn't know
Durant had 51 last night
also there are about a dozen guys drafted later in the first round in '06
who are outplaying Brandon now. The comparison is inevitable but not particularly relevant.
i keep dancing on my own.
well Brandon is different because he was the right pick.
If you go back in time 100 times out of 100 you pick him even considering what has happened
sorry, nope
gotta go with atomicafe on this one.
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Everyone Loves A Conspiracy theory!
According to the article Oden went into surgery thinking he was just getting a scope. But, he wakes up to the news that they performed another microfracture surgery! It sounds more like a nightmare.
Did they wake Oden up and tell him “we’ve gotta go back in”? Or did they tell him before hand that i was an option?
David Stern is at the crux of this conspiracy! He didn’t want the small market blazers dominating the league for 15 years with Oden, Roy, and LMA so he paid of the blazers training staff and team doctors.
by WashingtonBlazer on Feb 20, 2012 5:55 PM PST reply actions
Conspiracy theory aside
I think this is cause for concern:
According to the article Oden went into surgery thinking he was just getting a scope. But, he wakes up to the news that they performed another microfracture surgery! It sounds more like a nightmare.
I cannot imagine finding my self in that situation. My grandpa has been having health issues lately and has received lots of bad advice from the docs (e.g. his doctor scheduled him for a surgery he wasn’t even a candidate for because of another health issue he has), so I have found myself reading a lot about medical malpractice and discussing the subject with people who have experienced it.
We may have the best health care in the world here in the U.S., but I have some serious questions about the people who provide it.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
They are related
We may have the best health care in the world here in the U.S., but I have some serious questions about the people who provide it.
I don’t know about you guys, but at my job, when I have a particularly taxing/important project, I try to isolate it and have it be the only thing I’m concerned about at that moment. And what I do is nowhere near as critical as surgery.
I think far too often, doctors, or whoever manages their schedule (other doctors), are far too optimistic about their stamina and ability to multitask. Why is it that long-haul truckers aren’t allowed to drive more than 10 consecutive hours, yet doctors are required to pull 24+ hour shifts? Who benefits from that?
My wife had to have a major surgery, and some things weren’t done right and needed to be fixed again later. Turns out, that doctor was performing his third surgery that day (and this is a 3-4 hour surgery, not removing a mole or something).
The way our whole insurance system is set up, doctors are required to squeeze more patients into their schedule than they can properly treat.
It doesn't mean that we get what we pay for
especially when you consider that insurance based and single-payer systems essentially insulate most “consumers” of medical services from the full price of the goods and services they receive. It doesn’t take an economist to see how that will lead to excess demand.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
if you have had surgery, you may recall
once you are all settled in the hospital scheduled for surgery, maybe in pain or on pain killers, they bring around a little clipboard with some paper(s) for you to sign, with lots of legaleese, that boils down to
“I UNDERSTAND THAT UNEXPECTED STUFF HAPPENS, BUT REGARDLESS, I PROMISE I WILL NEVER SUE MY DOCTOR”
And, hopefully, the doctor is competent and will give it his best shot.
It can be a little ‘disconcerting’ though. You don’t exactly have a lot of time to allow your attorney to check this agreement, unless you want to get dumped on the hospital steps suffering.
If what you are doing is not working, try something else.
Maybe I was a bit overly critical
And Lord knows I’m not qualified to adequately assess the medical profession. But it just makes me wonder if all these surgeries are really necessary, or if they’re the right choice for Oden.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
I'm curious on how this affects Oden's contract status
He was on a one year deal – then got injured. Does he stay with the Blazers for his rehab over the next season? What kind of deal does he get for rehab?
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
Maybe you think he should be put in jail without a TV or laptop or books?
That’s how you sound.
ignacio
Does it really make any difference what he wants to do at this point?
Bill Walton suggested a year or so ago that GO should go to Hawaii and just take it easy for awhile. That sounds like pretty good advise today. He may have gained a few pounds but those knees probably would have healed up.
A year in Hawaii, Mai Tai’s, and paradise. I hope GO takes Walton’s advice this time and stays away from basketball for as long as he wants. Maybe forever. Everyone quits sometime.
If he decides to come back, I hope he does it on his own time line. Obviously what he’s been doing isn’t working.
he was only under contract through the end of the season i believe
before that he has to be afforded all the facilities the blazers have. at least, i can’t imagine that wouldn’t be a violation of contract to say he couldn’t. once a contract ends though, injuries or no, i don’t think he has any guaranteed right to rehab with the blazers; he’d no longer be an employee.
it would be the good will of the team if they allowed him to use their facilities to rehab. i suspect they would but who knows.
as for the exact day that he’s under contract until i have no idea. i suspect it’s based on when the whole NBA season ends so that all FA’s became FA’s simultaneously.
the league year generally ends june 30th
not sure if it’s different because of the lockout, I expect not.
i keep dancing on my own.
Injuries occurring on expiring contracts have different rules
I don’t think the Blazers can simply turn this over to non-team specialists, etc. If an injury occurs while under contract with the Blazers, I believe they own the injury until full recover.
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Feb 20, 2012 6:40 PM PST up reply actions
you gotta be kidding no way this is possible
I love being a Blazer fan
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Poor kid
I can’t even imagine what he’s going through…
"At 49, I can say something I never would have said when I was a player, that I'm a better person because of my failures and disgraces." -- Bill Walton
by MischiefPortland on Feb 20, 2012 7:08 PM PST reply actions
Vampires can fly long distances at night
Also, Greg was in Utah for the treatment, that’s not far from Denver.
Mhm, actually he already was in Colorado. Denver – Vail 1 hour 55 minutes by car, probably can do that in 2 hours back and forth as the bat flies.
As the bat flies
You crack me up Norsk.
by Sabonis4Ever on Feb 21, 2012 6:22 PM PST up reply actions
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