Blazers C Greg Oden To Undergo Arthroscopic Procedure On Left Knee
by Ben Golliver on Feb 20, 2012 10:14 AM PST
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PrintThe Portland Trail Blazers announced that center Greg Oden will undergo an arthroscopic procedure on his left knee on Monday, as expected. The procedure, which will remove debris, marks the fifth knee surgery of Oden's Blazers tenure and will be conducted in Vail, CO.
Oden currently does not have a timetable for return, but is not expected to see the court this season. Officially, he is considered "out indefinitely."
"Having this procedure on the right knee and the possibility of his left knee doesn't increase the likelihood of him playing soon," Blazers Acting GM Chad Buchanan said earlier this month.
Oden underwent the same arthroscopic procedure on his right knee on Feb. 3. Following that surgery, a "minor" blood clot was discovered in Oden's left ankle. The blood clot had to be addressed before Monday's surgery on his left knee could proceed, causing a slight delay in the timeline for Monday's procedure. Original expectations were for the procedure to take place last week.
Oden previously underwent two surgeries on his left knee. The first one came in December 2009, after Oden fractured his patella during a game against the Houston Rockets. The second one came in November 2010, when Oden underwent microfracture surgery after he suffered a non-contact injury during the rehabilitation process.
In addition to the arthroscopic procedure earlier this month, Oden also underwent a microfracture procedure on his right knee in September 2007.
Marc Stein of ESPN.com reported in December 2011 that Oden had agreed to renegotiate his $8.8 million qualifying offer down to $1.5 million after the Blazers announced that Oden had suffered a "setback" in his rehabilitation. He will be an unrestricted free agent this summer.
Buchanan admitted earlier this month that additional surgeries could be a possibility.
"It's hard to eliminate anything at this point," he said.
Oden, 24, has played in 82 games since being selected as the No. 1 pick in the 2007 NBA Draft and has not appeared in a game since December 2009. Oden has posted career averages of 9.4 points, 7.3 rebounds and 1.4 blocks per game.
Further updates as they become available throughout the day.
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Not expected to see the court this season..
"Tommy: Did you hear I finally graduated?
Richard Hayden: Yeah, and just a shade under a decade too. All right. "
And almost certainly won't be a Blazer next season
Some desperate team with cap room will offer him lots of money that we don’t have.
I know where I come from, and when you always have in mind where you come from the rest will be easy. I think the rest will be easy.
-- M. Rivera
we'll have almost $30 million in cap room next year...
which i’m expecting zero dollars spent on Oden.
Yeah. Dunno why I assumed we have no cap space.
But I don’t think we should sink anything else into this Oden project.
I know where I come from, and when you always have in mind where you come from the rest will be easy. I think the rest will be easy.
-- M. Rivera
You're right, we should go after better prospects like Earl Barron.
by BRoyInThe4th on Feb 20, 2012 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
Orrrr move up in the draft for Andre Drummond ;)
"Tommy: Did you hear I finally graduated?
Richard Hayden: Yeah, and just a shade under a decade too. All right. "
Well, yeah, that would be great and all but then we need to tank. This team is
in the middle of the pack. Letting go of Oden for nothing seems like a stupid move after all this time, unless we are going into full rebuild mode around LMA and Batum.
by BRoyInThe4th on Feb 20, 2012 10:32 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
you would rather just watch him sit on the bench
another season?
Let him tear his next patella in Milwaukie. We need to move on like we did with Bowie.
Well I knew for certain that is what is going to happen then no. I still think it is costing Portland nothing
to keep him around just in case he gets healthy. We watch a bunch of scrubs sitting on the bench. At least try and trade Oden somewhere.
by BRoyInThe4th on Feb 20, 2012 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
Bowie was pretty good after he left.
We got something we needed in return though.
Anyways, Oden could be pretty good if these surgeries make his knees stable for a few years.
Come on, let's all hug it out.
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Feb 20, 2012 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
Buck still is my favorite all-time Blazer
I know where I come from, and when you always have in mind where you come from the rest will be easy. I think the rest will be easy.
-- M. Rivera
by GMan83201 on Feb 20, 2012 12:25 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
the real 52.
"We gotta get this $#!^ together guys!" - Phil
by 420Phenom on Feb 20, 2012 12:28 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
didn't Sam Bowie wear # 52?
Oh, wait…..
Ok I changed my signature. Do you like it better now?
That is affirmative.
It would be a bad move to give Greg up without an offer or fight after all the hoes, work and money that went into his rehab. Even if we were to rebuild around LaMarcus and Batum, a impact center would not stand in our way, even if we kept Camby as the alternate center, that would make us more challenging.
hg
after all the hoes, work and money that went into his rehab.
What kind of rehab program is he in?! Also, where do I sign up?
by JonathanPDX on Feb 20, 2012 12:18 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That is depending on
Wallace and Crawford not exercising their players options and not signing Batum.
It's getting harder and harder...
…to expect to ever see him on the court again.
#7... GO BLAZERS!!!
Nonsense.
*OUR court ever again, unless he is blocking all our shots.
"Tommy: Did you hear I finally graduated?
Richard Hayden: Yeah, and just a shade under a decade too. All right. "
by jbay4 on Feb 20, 2012 10:22 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Actually, I'm tending to agree with likeemall
He’s currently in a cycle where he’s going into surgery before getting out of rehab. Not entering the cycle, he’s IN the cycle. He never made it out of rehab last season either. I really believe the safe bet at this point is that he will never suit up for an NBA game again.
In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice they're not.
by conspirator5 on Feb 20, 2012 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
its been confirm he's out for season...whats new
by TrailBlazing25 on Feb 20, 2012 3:47 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
microfracture #3 no less
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
Know something we don't?
This has never been reported as being a MF surgery… and the phrase “clearing debris” is wildly different than what MF surgery calls for.
In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice they're not.
by conspirator5 on Feb 20, 2012 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
I'll tell you what
everyone that refreshed BE main page knows something you don’t.
LOL.
Reading that would be the only part of this post and thread that I’ve found genuinely funny. Thanks, I think?
In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice they're not.
by conspirator5 on Feb 20, 2012 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
I just wish
I would have never pushed that refresh button.
This is suppose to be sarcastic, right?
by OfficerCosta on Feb 20, 2012 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
He's known more for his sexting
But I guess he once took his college team to a championship game.
didn't the blazers HAVE to pay him
up until this year, but it sounds like they managed a cheapo 1-ish million for this year anyway…
He also contributes more the the team and the city
In the form of free chalupas.
I know where I come from, and when you always have in mind where you come from the rest will be easy. I think the rest will be easy.
-- M. Rivera
I think more than one individual in the stadium redeemed the coupon
I know where I come from, and when you always have in mind where you come from the rest will be easy. I think the rest will be easy.
-- M. Rivera
Man, why do updates on Oden always come out
after monster Durant performances.
In today’s headlines, Durant scores 51 with double digit rebounds. And Greg Oden will once again have another surgery and will likely be out another season.
You beat me to it...
Hate beating a dead horse, but thats what I was thinking when I was watching the game last night.
BRoy #7
It's not a dead horse.
I think Portland fans who say it’s dead horse are in denial as to how tragic this Oden/Durant thing has become. It’s far more tragic than Jordan/Bowie because Bowie had a solid career. Oden may never put together a season of basketball while Durant is going to continue to hit clutch shot after clutch shot while leading the league in scoring.
It’s painful.
Come on, let's all hug it out.
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Feb 20, 2012 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
Eh
Jordan won titles. Granted Durant still has time and probably will, but right now, he’s just a taller Allen Iverson.
by ZenGarden on Feb 20, 2012 11:06 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Except for the fact he's nothing like Allen Iverson
He’s nearly 7 foot, can rebound, can shoot from anywhere on the court, is a great teamate, underrated on defense.
iverson couldnt shoot from anywhere on the court?
how do you know iversons teammates didn’t like him?
Well he hated to practice
I’m sure his teamates didn’t like that…
Iverson's game
is 100% built around athleticism. Durants game is mostly built around good shooting, less around fancy dribbling a quick first steps.
Move to Oklahoma . . .
and become a Thunder fan if you love him so much.
It's GO time !
by walkoff41 on Feb 20, 2012 11:27 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow. Iverson and Durant?
Totally different positions, personalities, as well as shooting percentages in crunch time. Not to mention, I believe Durant makes his teammates better with his desire to play D and get boards. Iverson was an inefficient chucker—a tiny 2 guard with a bad attitude—who broke through the East when it was in transition. He and Vince Carter were the “stars” of that short era. What a joke.
Ridiculous comparison IMO, but to each their own.
Come on, let's all hug it out.
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Feb 20, 2012 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
Lets not lie to our selves
Iverson was a GREAT basketball player.
yeah
AI was phenomenally talented and a real competitor for awhile
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Feb 20, 2012 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
Basically dragged Philly to the Finals
And he was listed at 6’0", but I heard he was more like 5’10"
I know where I come from, and when you always have in mind where you come from the rest will be easy. I think the rest will be easy.
-- M. Rivera
he's the guy you always heard the "pound for pound..." description about
I’d be hardpressed to disagree
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Feb 20, 2012 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, it's been a huge blow.
I’m still skeptical on Durant’s ability to be a transcendental, multiple championship type player, but in terms of just production, a it’s massive waste of a pick. Strange that Durant, health-wise, is built of Teflon considering his combines looked unimpressive. Wasn’t he the only guy who had trouble benching his bodyweight or something?
KD has deceptive strength
as his body mass is efficiently distributed, making him pretty difficult to knock to the floor when he’s on the attack. He rarely takes nasty spills on drives. I don’t think arm strength is really that important for a sweet shooting wing with great length, and I doubt GMs around the league were bothered by Durant’s combine.
Meanwhile, Oden was far too bulked up for his own good. He should have been completely focused on body balancing as a young big is still growing and in need of health over strength. His hip mechanics made knee issues inevitable, though. The Blazers need a holistic approach to their player screening. Stop looking at muscle mass and develop a better picture of how all joints are balancing together. If they picked him with the knowledge of his prior hip condition, they totally blew it.
Come on, let's all hug it out.
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Feb 20, 2012 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, the prior knowledge thing is key. Who knows, I'm not that bent over it.
I chalk it to mostly bad luck. In terms of player assembled, the trio of Roy, Aldridge and Oden is pretty damned solid. I mean, one could guesstimate a player could suffer some future dehabilitating injuries, but who would have known the extent Oden would go through?
I agree
Losing Roy was far more devastating. We never really knew what we had with Oden, but we’ve managed to stay competitive and a decent team in spite of that. He was a luxury risk/reward pick and everyone knew Durant would at the very least be a very good player who had exceptional basketball skills and speed.
What kills me about Oden/Durant is not really just what could have been with the Blazers, but the fact that Durant gave OKC an instant franchise player and something to draw in fans right away, making the move from Seattle that much more palatable to everyone in the league. “Loud City” wouldn’t be all that if they had to deal with years of Oden being injured instead, they lucked into having KD fall into their laps.
Roy was far more devastating because he had already done so much for us
but from a team perspective you can have a center like Oden with any roster, can’t say the same for Brandon. The fact that KP predicted Durant as a scoring champion just goes to show how highly they thought of Oden. If the question is guaranteed healthy Roy or guaranteed healthy Oden, I’m not sure it’s as easy of a decision as it might look on the surface.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Feb 20, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
The loss of Roy made the abscence of Oden more painful.
Does that make sense? With Roy on board I was OK with no Oden. I felt our chances was still pretty solid. Now, I just feel sorry for LaMarcus. Well, maybe Nic Batum could become somebody. It’s just that, like you said, I guy like Roy is nearly impossible to replace. I’ve been watching Blazer basketball for some 22 years now and I don’t remember any player as clutch as Roy. Maybe Terry Porter, and yes, I’d easily take Roy over Durant if I had to choose.
Makes perfect sense
And I really do think the 07 draft was more about Roy over Durant than Oden over Durant too. Shame that we got left with nothing.
I think I follow what you mean
But as the last part, you have to go with Roy every single time. Even a guaranteed healthy Oden may not have ever lived up to being any more than a taller Ben Wallace. Roy was a top 3 guard in the league before he lost his meniscus (and still put on an all-time playoff performance after, which is just… ugh I miss the guy)
Even a guaranteed healthy Oden may not have ever lived up to being any more than a taller Ben Wallace.
Not guaranteed, but I’m confident he would have. Having a center like that (hardest position to find and keep healthy) would anchor your roster for years and years. I think that a healthy Oden moreso than a healthy Roy is easier to build around. I also think a defensive and rebounding presence like Oden keeps you relevant and competitive almost single handedly, as he impacts all facets of the game and not just offense like BRoy.
I’d love to see either of them healthy of course, I just think Oden is who we thought he was when we drafted him (minus the injuries of course).
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
In minimal on-court action
he was a foul machine and had an extremely raw offensive game. He was great at getting blocked shots and rebounds and of course the occasional monster dunk, but we have right now between Camby and Crash, what we would have gotten out of a healthy Oden, I think. As for replacing a healthy Roy? Just look at how we’ve tried to do that with our current lineup of guards…
His 'raw offensive game'
Was incredibly efficient. He was a foul drawing machine as much as he was a foul committing machine. One of those two usually corrects itself over time.
Greg never really got his chance to prove himself but when he was out there on court, he unquestionably had a massive, game-changing impact. If people are trying to lessen the blow by claiming we didn’t lose that much with him being injured constantly I guess I can understand it but doesn’t make it true.
| 23.1 | .647 | .605 | 15.6 | 28.3 | 21.9 | 6.7 | 0.9 | 7.7 | 17.8 | 20.7 | 118 | 100 | 1.3 | 1.0 | 2.2 | .214 |
by MadBlaze on Feb 20, 2012 3:13 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm with this
I really think Oden would have been that much of a force.
Intimidating paint security, rebound vacuum, 60+% FG, defense imploder, a complete complexion changer. If he had stayed healthy I have no doubt he’d be averaging in the vicinity of (or more than) 15 ppg, 12 rpg, 3 bpg, 2 apg.
I have no doubt he would have one of the nastiest and most dominating highlight reels of anyone in his generation. I have no doubt that 20/20 games would have been fairly commonplace.
As good as Camby+Wallace is, they just don’t give you those things. And maybe even more importantly, having Oden healthy doesn’t mean we don’t also have Camby and/or Crash.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
If you can get the production of two players out of one, then it is a significant upgrade
"Brandon Roy has done this before."
I tend to agree.
Hindsight is 20/20.
I wonder about prior knowledge of his hip condition, but even then, there wasn’t a precedent for injuries yet. They couldn’t have predicted it, but I have to wonder about the competency of their overall evaluation of Oden’s mechanics.
Come on, let's all hug it out.
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Feb 20, 2012 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
"tragic"? really?
use of that term is rather hyperbolic, wouldn’t you say?
The ups and downs of a sports franchise, or an athlete’s career, seldom comes close to the level of tragedy.
I can think of many things that would merit the use of the word “tragic”. Starvation and genocide in Africa, for example. The senseless slaughter taking place right now in Syria. Sept 11, and the suicide bombings being perpetrated by the Islamic terrorists. Those things are tragic.
But the athletic career of Mr Oden? Our team’s fate as a result of choosing him over Mr Durant? Not a tragedy, not be a long shot.
Win the day!
Coffee is for Closers!
Always Be Closing!
Yep...
What the reporters forgot to mention was that Durant actually wanted to score 52 points but felt bad for Greg Oden and settled for one less point
:-\
by FreewheelinDylan on Feb 20, 2012 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
It's gottin' more painful to watch this season.
When the Blazers miss, they miss big.
Come on, let's all hug it out.
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Feb 20, 2012 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
it's more apathy than pain for me
kinda feel bad for greg but i have no far-fetched delusions of him playing ball for us again.
PHILLY!
No. He will not be playing here next season.
I don’t think it’s too early to predict that.
Come on, let's all hug it out.
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Feb 20, 2012 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
he's gonna go to PHX
their medical staff is gonna rejuvenate his career, and we’ll have egg on our faces.
PHILLY!
Isn't the egg already in our face?
And smeared all over?
This
Come on, let's all hug it out.
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Feb 20, 2012 11:24 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
new Blazer logo ^
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Feb 20, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
get another center
When Pryz went down for starters maybe ? Just a thought. For the 5 millionth time. Drafting Greg was not wrong, no back up plan was. Bad planning and too much waiting around by management has made the franchise look bad.
just win baby !
by FrenchieFan on Feb 20, 2012 2:01 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Drafting Greg over Durant WAS wrong. They all knew he was injury prone but decided to roll the dice because his “type” doesn’t come around too often. This makes it wrong because it was a gamble that did not pay off…..
by OfficerCosta on Feb 20, 2012 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
Because it's Ben
and he hated that we drafted Oden
In other news....
the suns ripped the fakers.
"Tommy: Did you hear I finally graduated?
Richard Hayden: Yeah, and just a shade under a decade too. All right. "
And, as my personal philosophy goes:
A l*ker loss, is a good day.
"Coach said to always be careful around Greg, because Greg costs a lot and even the slightest amount of basketball can damage him." -- The Onion
Good luck, Greg!!
I wish you the best with your surgery and recoveries.
It’d be great if you could come play basketball with the Portland Trail Blazers, maybe in the playoffs this season? Thanks!
"Coach said to always be careful around Greg, because Greg costs a lot and even the slightest amount of basketball can damage him." -- The Onion
Why do other players recover from the same injuries
in just a few months/year? We’re on what? Year 3 of Greg’s recovery?
Oden is special
No other player in league history has had micfofracture on both knees and a broken knee cap.
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Feb 20, 2012 10:42 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Oden not expected to see the court?
Unless there is more to his condition than we have been told, medical issues will not prevent Oden from returning. Not directly, anyhow.
Oden could realistically return mid March, so long as “debris” is the only injury issue. We haven’t heard anything about weak ligaments lately, so unless Oden suffers from degenerative arthritis, he should be back this season.
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Feb 20, 2012 10:40 AM PST via mobile reply actions
He's never playing professional basketball again.
The sooner you can come to terms with this, the better.
Please explain. Why isn't he playing again. Kenyon Martin had double microfractures, he was playing just the other night.
Zach Randolph made it back, Jason Kidd, Amare. Why isn’t Greg ever going to play again?
by BRoyInThe4th on Feb 20, 2012 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
I think it's obvious those guys
had more work ethic than greg.
Look
If you’re angry that Oden can’t play basketball, fine.
But don’t accuse Oden of being lazy. That guy has put in so much effort into getting back in shape. It’s not his fault he keeps getting injured.
by FreewheelinDylan on Feb 20, 2012 10:49 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
correct. he has a brittle body. something genetic. he has a good work ethic.
But his body will not hold up against the rigors of what he asks it to do on the court. The court…
Everything suggests that Oden is done. Even the word DONE suggests that ODEN is DONE. Anagrams don’t lie.
Ok I changed my signature. Do you like it better now?
Explain to me
how that is obvious, or even somewhat a realistic point of view?
Is it obvious?
I am obviously missing it.
"Luke is our go-to Chalupa man," Matthews said. "Designated."
but he's had more then "double microfractures"
We all want and wish to see Oden get on the court and dominate like we know he can. But, it is very unlikely that he will ever play professional basketball again.
by OfficerCosta on Feb 20, 2012 4:00 PM PST up reply actions
The media
They write about him going to strip clubs, sexting…I know people he met in LA when he was rehabbing, they don’t have a lot of positive things to say as far what you would expect from a #1 pick who’s been given millions to rehab his knees.
Wow, personal habits have nothing to do with bb ability?
Ask Vin Baker that question…
It’s my opinion that Greg is more interested in the money than anything else…He loves the status that comes along with #1 pick but not the hard work it takes to get back. But that’s strictly a personal opinion I’ve gathered. You’re free to disagree.
by TeenWulff2 on Feb 20, 2012 11:06 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Greg's hasn't played in 20% of available games because he texted a dong shot and goes to strip clubs on occassion
the issues keeping him off the court run deeper and are far more inherent than that
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Feb 20, 2012 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
Cheat on me once shame on you
Cheat on me twice, shame on me…
The guy is lazy and I have based this opinion on the media and people that know greg personally, and hang out with him, . I know this something that no one will believe me on, but those things you see on the internet is how this guy rolls. He’s more interested in using his status to get laid than playing NBA basketball games.
by TeenWulff2 on Feb 20, 2012 12:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Buddy
You’re young so you associate dancing/drinking/clubbing with “bad” and “lazy” behaviors. When you get older, it’s much more complicated than doing good or bad actions. It’s also much more complicated than someone being lazy and therefore, bad things will happen to him.
Life doesn’t work that way. Some of the nicest, most hardworking people you’ll ever know end up getting screwed. While some of the worst, most rotten people end up succeeding. That’s not fair but that’s just life.
Are you going to tell me Kobe, Jordan, Shaq, Tiger Woods, A-Rod, etc aren’t passionate about their professions just because they like to go clubbing?
Give the guy a break. He just wants to play ball but keeps getting injured.
by FreewheelinDylan on Feb 20, 2012 12:19 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
That's exactly what I'm saying...
Those guys named above had the desire to be the best at what they do. Greg Oden does not share their desire. If he did he would take his rehab serious and get back on the court. Instead he hides behind the MD’s and all the die hard fans, the leadership that have done nothing but try to protect this guy, with the hopes he would eventually have some ambition, and put in the extra effort that’s needed to recover. Instead the guy just plays video games and chases tail around all day on facebook.
Wow.
We’ll never convince you of this, but you are ridiculously wrong here.
I know where I come from, and when you always have in mind where you come from the rest will be easy. I think the rest will be easy.
-- M. Rivera
You can't prove I'm wrong
How do you know anything about his ambitions? Or Desire to get back on the court? Like I said, I believe he’s hiding himself because he’s ashamed of being a bust and ashamed at himself for wasting such great talent. This is my opinion…when the same media story keeps coming out over and over, eventually you have to buy in.
Media is usually wrong
and you didn’t say most of that until now. Your right I can’t prove you wrong, but you can’t prove yourself right either, your going on a gut feeling.
Get him on the mic, talking to the fans...
Let’s hear about his progress…
Instead they keep him hidden and protected, like a little child. They treat him like that because that’s what I believe he is. He’s obviously not very strong mentally which I think is the reason why he’s in this situation in the first place.
Ya his lack of mental toughness
broke his knees.
He’s obviously not very strong mentally
Wow.
"Luke is our go-to Chalupa man," Matthews said. "Designated."
the story is that his legs don't work right
that’s the story that matters, that’s the one we hear over and over, and that’s the one that’s keeping him from playing. Not his off court antics. I’d bet the majority of NBA players visit the ol strip joint on occassion, that’s what dudes, and especially dudes with dough tend to do
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Feb 20, 2012 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
how does being lazy get your kneecap shattered and require two microfracture surgeries?
i actually AM lazy and i’ve never had knee troubles…i’m failing to see ANY connection here.
No you got it wrong.
It’s a weak mentality thing. You sir must have a strong mentality. Otherwise your knees would be shot.
"Luke is our go-to Chalupa man," Matthews said. "Designated."
Lebron
is known to go to high class strip clubs quite often. He isn’t exactly doing to bad on the basketball court.
Agreed.
Whether a guy is a solid citizen or not has absolutely nothing with how he performs on court. It’s inherent talent. Think of Jordan and his supposed gambling issues, or Kobe and his infidelities. Heck, even Tiger Woods before he was discovered.
You mean having playing only 82 games since being drafted 5 years ago
Not having touched a basketball court for at least 2 years, multiple surgeries and injuries to the same knees.. We’re really getting to a point where we wonder if playing pro ball for him will render him unable to walk, not if he’ll be able to contribute enough to justify his #1 selection or even stay healthy enough to play off the bench.
There has to be a point where you just accept his fate and move on, bad selection, yadda yadda yadda. Consider that completely whiffing on Oden wouldn’t have been that bad if only Roy hadn’t had HIS knee issues. That was the real swift kick to the cojones for me. Oden hasn’t meant anything to this team’s fortunes for almost three full seasons now (counting his rookie year as well).
Well...
I had a dream the other day where Oden was lost to the season….
But hey, at least we know that if the doctors okay’d him for surgery that the blood clots are likely gone.
We’ll see what happens……
by FreewheelinDylan on Feb 20, 2012 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
Blazers aim to remove debris: Send Oden to Vail, Colorado
bazinga
by ColeFitz88 on Feb 20, 2012 10:41 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
He was already in Vail Colorado
Do you feel this is all Greg’s fault. that he could have avoided all this by not ever playing BB? If that was the Case, would you be knocking him for misfortunes, are just treating him like millions of others that has problems with their knees?
hg
A surgeon is buying a new vacation home in Puerto Rico.
Come on, let's all hug it out.
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Feb 20, 2012 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
I love how Canzano is already spinning this story to stir the pot.
Somehow, Greg is having these surgeries to increase his value as a free agent. Uh, the only way to increase his value is to actually play games not get more surgery. Sometimes the local media is embarrassing.
I would like to see Greg's value as a free agent increase.
Maybe we can work something out here with him. Making him look really good and then get him bid up so he hangs like an albatross around some other team’s neck.
In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice they're not.
by conspirator5 on Feb 20, 2012 4:50 PM PST up reply actions
Oden + Durant + Lebron + Rose + Howard = 0 rings
So far Oden is still tied with the other young NBA stars for NBA Championships. In fact, only one (Duncan) of the last 17 NBA #1 picks has won a championship (so far). Oden has been a huge disappointment because he’s been hurt, but we really shouldn’t be too disappointed that he hasn’t led the Blazers to a title. It probably won’t be for the Blazers, but I think that Oden will play again in the NBA, be successful, and possibly even win a title or two.
For the record, I haven’t given up hope that he stays with the Blazers.
by unblindloyalty on Feb 20, 2012 11:41 AM PST reply actions
Except....
Three of those players are in the NBA’s top 3 teams….meaning there’s a high chance one of them will win a ring.
Heck, Howard went to the Finals once and could potentially make it again.
But I have a stupid, ignorant, unfaltering, and biased opinion that the Blazers will win the championship within the next 3 years.
by FreewheelinDylan on Feb 20, 2012 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
Mengke Bateer has a ring
I don’t think anyone is as likely to view him as being better as Durant/Lebron/Rose etc. as they are to view Oden as on the same field for having the same amount of rings as them.
I think
this is pretty funny…sad but funny. In regards to the possiblity of future surgeries for Greg:
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.“It’s hard to eliminate anything at this point,” he said.
He is done
A few fans are still holding out for some hope but really? He has been in rehab forever now. He would do himself a favor and quit basketball and save his legs knees and any other body parts that are in jeopardy by playing. His body is not cut out to play the game of basketball he should face facts and retire. I am no doctor just my opinion.
Asuming anything at this point, including "he won't ever play again" and "if he plays again it won't be for us" is just silly.
Nobody here knows enough about the situation to assume ANYTHING. He could kick some tail next year or retire before the season starts. He could sign with us or a different team, nobody knows his opinion on Portland and if he wants to leave or not. Nobody even knows if the Blazers even want to offer him a contract next year.
All we can do is wait.
It's Ben Golliver
He wanted to pick Durant, remember?
by FreewheelinDylan on Feb 20, 2012 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
I was in the 75% that wanted Oden
And I was wrong. I thought that Durant would ceiling out at being McGrady type (still good, not good enough to lead a team to a title), and I thought Oden would be at WORST another Dikembe Mutombo and at best the closest thing to Bill Russell we’ve seen since he retired.
I know where I come from, and when you always have in mind where you come from the rest will be easy. I think the rest will be easy.
-- M. Rivera
Serious question:
Assume the worst case scenario and Oden is done. Like, never plays again. Is he then the biggest bust in NBA history?
I know where I come from, and when you always have in mind where you come from the rest will be easy. I think the rest will be easy.
-- M. Rivera
depending on how you define bust it's hard not to call him that
Kwame and Olowokandi and even Larue Martin all saw the court more than Greg, even though Greg is clearly the superior talent.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Feb 20, 2012 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
depends on how you define the term
ultimately, it’s subjective. Is it all about results? Is it about who else could have been picked instead? did injuries get factored in at all? It’s not so black and white.
Personally, I think a bust is someone who proves to have not had the skill or talent to justify the position they were picked. This is not the case with Oden. He just doesn’t have a body that will hold up. He’s not a bust, just extremely unlucky. In the end, the result, for him and the team, is the same regardless of labels or top tens lists or other meaningless comparisons.
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
yes.
killer combo of extremely short career, #1 overall pick (not #2 – 4 like a lot of other candidates), and picked immediately before the other obvious possible selection who goes on to have a HOF type career. Only other pick that comes close in my book is Bowie, because that’s the only one where the opportunity cost of the selection is higher. LaRue over McAdoo is the only other one that comes close, but McAdoo is pretty overrated in league history—I’m fairly certain Durant will have a much higher rated career when all’s said and done.
This gives us a troika of the worst three busts of all time, in LaRue, Bowie, and Oden. Every single pick happened as a result of GMs who decided we needed a center, and picked the best center available instead of the best player available.
by howlingfantods on Feb 20, 2012 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
Well, you have to cut a little slack on Oden / BPA
Even if we didn’t need a center, it wasn’t like Durant was clearly the BPA over Oden. At least not like Bowie/Jordan.
Durant was very clearly the more talented, athletic player
The thing with the Blazers is we felt that since we had Roy and Aldridge already, a big guy to dominate the interior (for some reason thinking Aldridge was more of a mid-range guy at the time) seemed like a better fit.
I don't think Durant would have developed as quickly here anyways.
Nate wouldn’t have let him foist up whatever shot he wanted all game long his rookie year if he played here. I think the rookie experience he had helped him to develop quicker. Which isn’t to say that he would somehow be a lesser player at this point, just that the contrast between him and oden wouldn’t have been so glaring in years 1,2,and 3 if the teams were reversed.
Disclaimer: There is a high chance this comment contains sarcasm, so please just chill out, relax, and have a nice l@ker hating day.
This is inaccurate
Greg was far more athletic and produced at a similar level to Durant in college (higher if you consider the impact he had defensively IMO). Being upset at what has happened is pretty normal I think but I’m finding the revisionist history a little grating.
| 23.1 | .647 | .605 | 15.6 | 28.3 | 21.9 | 6.7 | 0.9 | 7.7 | 17.8 | 20.7 | 118 | 100 | 1.3 | 1.0 | 2.2 | .214 |
out of curiosity what's the stat line in your sig?
Disclaimer: There is a high chance this comment contains sarcasm, so please just chill out, relax, and have a nice l@ker hating day.
You can probably guess but
It’s Greg’s advanced numbers from 09/10. Quite likely now it’s the last stat line of his we’ll see.
| 23.1 | .647 | .605 | 15.6 | 28.3 | 21.9 | 6.7 | 0.9 | 7.7 | 17.8 | 20.7 | 118 | 100 | 1.3 | 1.0 | 2.2 | .214 |
kind of depends what you mean by "far more athletic".
Greg had great running and jumping numbers, but was always stiff, robotic, and clumsy. To me, “athleticism” in basketball involves body control, balance, timing and fluidity as well as things like footspeed and jumping ability. Although Greg had occasional breathtaking displays of athleticism, he often seemed off balance and not in control of his body.
by howlingfantods on Feb 20, 2012 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
Disagree
As has been mentioned everywhere, numerous times, it was a toss-up for just about every educated opinion on who should be drafted with the #1 pick. Talented and athletic, maybe. Valuable, even money. Talented centers are just far fewer and far between, whether you think you need one or not.
this would be revisionist history
Durant was very clearly the more talented, athletic player
Althought the part about fit is not wrong. That being said, a team in need of both a center and a wing would not just have drafted Durant necessarily. If I recall the vast majority of the league was on the Oden train.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
You are correct. That is revisionist history, and the majority did consider Oden being clear #1.
I think KP was partly at fault for ratcheting up the hype of Kevin Durant as well. He was milking the drama of the choices when clearly he knew who he wanted.
I'm not sure he drafted who he wanted
but either way its over a done with.
Oden was a vastly superior prospect to Bowie, which I suppose makes him a bigger bust… not sure about LaRue.
i keep dancing on my own.
LaRue Martin was a lesser prospect than both Oden and Bowie.
Portland only took Martin over Bob McAdoo due to financial reasons.
This is shocking news
If you don’t follow anything related to the NBA. It’s as normal as the sun rising and setting.
Greg Oden is done, been telling you all for the entire year, it’s just the bottom line.
Aren't you the coolest hipster Oden hater around
Hating on Greg Oden before it was even cool to hate on Greg Oden.
About $1 million
Less than Babbitt, who we all wish would do the same.
I know where I come from, and when you always have in mind where you come from the rest will be easy. I think the rest will be easy.
-- M. Rivera
I think you're timeline is a little off.
I know where I come from, and when you always have in mind where you come from the rest will be easy. I think the rest will be easy.
-- M. Rivera
....your right
he got drafted #1 over all after not playing basketball since his elementary days.
?
is that because time moves faster for him?
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Feb 20, 2012 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
it's so easy to dehumanize people online isn't it?
Try to put yourself in Oden’s shoes – yes, yes, you would have lots of money. But you think he wouldn’t give a HUGE chunk of it all back to have been healthy and able to play the last 5 years?
The guy’s not a “bum” because his knees keep ripping themselves up.
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
by douglast on Feb 20, 2012 12:59 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Playing this year doesn't look good.
Not that anyone expects that! On a Medical page it says:
Unless you have had a ligament reconstruction, you should be able to return to most physical activities after 6 to 8 weeks, or sometimes much sooner. Higher impact activities may need to be avoided for a longer time. You will need to talk with your doctor before returning to intense physical activities.
8 weeks would be April 16th. It seems to me pretty doubtful they would insert him in that soon just before the playoffs.
Brandon Roy (and others, especially football players)
return from “removing debris” arthroscopic surgeries in a week.
And just a hunch, but I’d think cleaning out debris from 2 seasons of surgeries and rehab might be putting finishing touches before returning to “basketball-related” activities.
I realize there isn’t much cause for optimism, but while I don’t expect him to suit up for a game anytime soon, I could see him actually practicing with the team within the month.
I'm not holding my breath either, but...
June is a long way away, and Oden was supposedly really close to returning to running and jumping before this latest setback.
You have to imagine whatever team (including the Blazers) takes a risk and offers him a contract, it’s going to be substantially larger if he actually plays a few games before the season is over. so even if TeenWulf2 is right and Oden is only in it for the money and chicks, it’s in his best interest to get back on the court as soon as possible, because the offers are going to be a lot smaller for a guy who hasn’t played in 3 years than for a guy who demonstrates a return from injury.
I realize I should have said April, when the playoffs start
rather than June, when only the top teams are left. But still.
I don't know why the Blazers would
have offered him anything for this year if they weren’t still interested in signing him again this summer.
to play devil's advocate
it may be to wash their hands of him. had they offered him nothing this year, then they would have faced the option of offering him a qualifying option again this coming summer to make him a restricted free agent and retaining their rights to match. He could have taken the high QO, locking them into the salary, or he could have signed an offer sheet, forcing them to decide whether to match or not. All those options could be undesirable given the cap space situation this summer. Addtionally, there may be PR ramifications involved as well. What if they don’t offer him the QO – some fans will be all over them for letting him walk. What if they do? other fans will be all over them for locking up so much more money in him. It’s a potential no-win scenario.
Paying him a little bit now allows them to keep their cap wide open this summer if need be, and if he signs somewhere else, they can tell the fans “He wanted to leave, nothing we could do”
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
I don't know if that's worth $1.5M
but I get your point. Having the open cap and the option to offer makes sense.
Finally - the voice of reason
Final cleanup, clearing the deck for ACTION !
It will be FUN ! Some will not believe it till they see it, which is fine, but it is just guesswork with incomplete information.
I see no need to give up just yet.
If what you are doing is not working, try something else.
if they didn't find anything wrong with the other knee
then this one should tell the story. I’m worried that something will be wrong with the meniscus again.
In any case, it’s not like the FO is spending millions in cap space on him this season. They pretty much just took a flyer on him. If things work out it’s great. If not then whatever.
i cant think about oden returning to the court in a blazers uniform
because if i do my mind will explode, spraying brain all over my freshly cleaned room
Fire alarm? I am the fire alarm.
Oden is on the mend and on his way to becoming a successful basketball player
I know some fans like to wallow in losing and hope he never sees the court again just so they can say “told you so”. This is just another positive step in Greg eventually getting healthy enough to prove people wrong.
There. That’s just as likely an outcome at this point as all of the doom and gloom.
The guy hasn't stepped foot on a basketball court in 2 years!!
And every time he’s coming back he winds up needing surgery.
Forget basketball, Oden should be worrying about if he’s going to be able to walk!
No it is not from what we have seen in 5 years
The odds are against him and if you are denying that then you arent being optimistic but instead being delusional. So many surgeries and injuries have accumulated on his knees, especially the last couple years where he wasnt even logging that much intense physical activity.
Just keep it realistic and say Oden’s chances are very slim. Although we hope he can still have a decent, dominant and productive career it seems farfetched given his body’s history.
WITH ODEN ON OUR SIDE
I have a sneaky suspicion...
we see Oden logging back up minutes come playoff time.
I think Oden's about to check in!!
by courtsideerrandboy on Feb 20, 2012 2:36 PM PST reply actions
that is from couple years ago. Ive been too lazy to change until about a few minutes ago
Steve Nash as a Blazer-----> Me love Blazer Front Office long time
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but yeah that is funny.
I didnt know it doesnt change ur sig on all ur previous posts after u change ur sig.
Steve Nash as a Blazer-----> Me love Blazer Front Office long time
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Well I am happy that we found out that Greg will not be playing this season
Now we know we are done
La Illaha Illallah Muhamadur Rasulallah
Close the book...
… and move on. Its a sad story that we’ll talk about forever, but the team really needs GO off their books and out of their minds.
It's sad that reading the comments in this thread make me so angry on the inside
People love to write their own story lines regarding Greg Oden I suppose. Greg Oden is lazy, Greg Oden doesn’t care, Greg cares more about sexting etc etc etc.
DO ANY OF YOU ACTUALLY KNOW GREG ODEN?!
No, you don’t. But you think you know his life story and everything behind the curtains because you decided to read a very misinforming national piece on Greg Oden from some obscure writer that’s never even talked to the guy?
I know first hand what a true #1 draft bust looks like, as I am an Oakland Raiders fan. Jamarcus Russell is someone who doesn’t give a crap. Oden’s personality couldn’t be further from the tree when in comparison to Russell.
that poor guy
Unbelievable. Makes getting to do my job seem easy. Of course, I don’t make $1.5M for walking in pools.
Apparently not giving up on Brandon or Greg paid no dividends. Whatever... Go Blazers!!!
how do you know?
Apparently not giving up on Brandon or Greg paid no dividends. Whatever... Go Blazers!!!
assuming he didn't spend it all
his contracts added up to around 50 mil that he has made… to be fair yes taxes and other things so he doesnt have actually 50 mil… but if he has anythin gunder 20-25 mil in the bank (not to mention any money he made being signed by products) but if he has anything less than that then he screwed himself
not even close
he’s made under $30MM in his 5 years with Portland
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
okay you are right, I conceed that. I was thinking if we gave him teh QA and resigned him
However, with endorsements we have no idea how much he made.. but even then 30 Mil should be plenty enough to never work again.
of course, but that's not really the point
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
A million here, a million there. Either way it adds up to real money.
To paraphrase Everett Dirksen. Who, the kids ask?
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Feb 20, 2012 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
Quote:
“Initially, Greg was undergoing a procedure similar to the one he had a couple of weeks ago to have debris cleared from his right knee,” said Acting General Manager Chad Buchanan. “However, once the doctors were inside Greg’s left knee, they unfortunately found articular surface damage and determined microfracture was necessary.”
wow. gotta feel for the guy
3rd MF surgery already.
Only time will tell if his NBA story is over, but it’s looking pretty unlikely he’s on anyone’s roster for fall camp 2012.
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
Any NBA player ever had two MF surgeries on the same knee?
He got to miss all next year year for sure. I can’t imagine him continuing after that.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Feb 20, 2012 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
Any NBA player ever had season ending injuries multiple years in a row, without playing a single game?
We knew Oden would be setting new records as a Blazer, but sheesh, this is ridiculous!
Win the day!
Coffee is for Closers!
Always Be Closing!
Wow. wow wow wow.
Note to douglast on my reply above…. clear you DID know something we didn’t. Bleah.
In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice they're not.
by conspirator5 on Feb 20, 2012 4:55 PM PST up reply actions
time to given up basketball...
or any strenuous activity, if he wants to keep walking.
The cake was a lie.
Well there's the dagger
I’m sure Teenwulf and Cjones are furiously typing their “HAHAHA LOSERS!!, TOLD YOU GUYS LIKE I’VE BEEN TELLING YOU ALL YEAR LOLOLOL SOOOOOOO AWESOME I AM!”
We need to have a penalty for Oden Haters if he succeeds
I think that Oden Haters should agree to some sort of penalty for giving up hope for him, assuming that he succeeds.
First, everyone on BE could register as a Oden Believer or Oden Hater as of Feb 2012
Then, next year on Feb 20, one of the two groups will be blocked from posting on BE for a day.
For example, if Oden comes back and plays for any NBA team next year and is not injured on Feb 20, the Oden Haters will be blocked as punishment for being wrong.
Or, if Oden hasn’t played much (or at all) due to injury, then the Oden Believers will be blocked for a day.
I like it
In fact, I love it.
Apparently not giving up on Brandon or Greg paid no dividends. Whatever... Go Blazers!!!
how about we just put a ban on oden talk after today?
seriously, after discussion today, there really isn’t anything more to say that hasn’t been hashed, rehashed and superhashed 8 times over. There’s no point to it.
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
by douglast on Feb 20, 2012 4:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This.
In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice they're not.
by conspirator5 on Feb 20, 2012 4:57 PM PST up reply actions
Oops
I posted this before the announcement of his microfracture surgery. So, since I was an Oden Believer (which I am no longer, but I was an hour ago), I will admit being wrong and I will ban myself from posting for a while. Oden Haters, the forum is yours.
by unblindloyalty on Feb 20, 2012 5:08 PM PST up reply actions
sad
at this point I just hope he is ok mentally
by Peteyhasnohead on Feb 20, 2012 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
Honestly, I checked the calendar
to make sure it wasn’t April Fool’s. Then I checked the date on the post to make sure that it wasn’t from 2007.
Apparently not giving up on Brandon or Greg paid no dividends. Whatever... Go Blazers!!!
Another sad chapter in a long a depressing book
It’s sad but it’s time to move on. I wish nothing but the best for Greg.
#52
Yes. Have to feel sorry for him.
But the Blazers will have to move on. More microfracture surgery guarantees another long phase of rehab. So, what do we pay him now, and what does anyone else pay him?
Like some, I could see paying him a million to stay. But not much more. Cap Space is still cap space and the bottom line is the Blazers must now take a hard look at the center position. Whether he does or doesn’t play, no one can guarantee his reliability – and we have to plan for a reliable pivot. And move on.
he won't be on a fall camp roster most likely
if he does push to come back, and looks fit, he’ll have some suitors a year from now. but given his history, maybe Fall 2013 is a more likely target.
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
Why is my stupid sister so stupid to be born on today so I have to go eat Peruvian
food with her instead of watch the lakers game.
The only good I can see coming out of her birth is that eating Peruvian food with her protects me from having to see the blazers lose a winnable game in a mind blowingly inept fashion.
I gotta say I was enjoying watching KD put up 51 points
While Andre miller put up like 20 and 10 for an undermanned Nugs team last night.
I cant blame our ownership for KD (unless they had some information on gregs health that we didnt, and come to think of it, they probably did or should have based on the investment he was going to be) But I can blame them for running Miller out of Town while we celebrate an average game by Felton.
Everyone says you have to feel sorry for him... why?
I agree it really sucks whats happened to him. And i can empathize with injuries and having to go through all that. but we all have things happen in life. But I can’t feel sorry for a guy that has made more money sitting on a bench than I will in my entire life. He is set for the rest of his life, and will never have to work another day if he doesn’t want to. Where as how many of us have had microfracture in our own lives, or have sicknesses or injuries happen to us, but we don’t have any money to cover it, and will have to work the rest of our lives ot make a fraction of what he has.
So empathize for the situation yes, feel bad for him not a chance.
there is more to life than money
like fulfilling his dreams and aspirations. if he fails at it, fine, but not even having the chance to try to reach them is why i feel bad for him.
PHILLY!
by CleBlazer on Feb 20, 2012 4:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
this
Greg would have had so many shining, career and life defining moments in the NBA with his strength and talent. You can retire well on a few million dollars but the experiences that define a life can’t really be bought back.
I can never fulfil my dreams because of injuries
Many of us have health hold us back. But I do know if I never had to worry about working it would give me time to try to fulfill other dreams. Its not that money means all, but having it helps you do other things that others can not.
maybe splitting hairs a bit
I wouldn’t ask anyone to feel sorry for him. But I would say that we should all try to feel some empathy for him.
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
Soooo very sad for him.
Get well soon GO! I’ll always wonder…..
Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.
We need a roster spot now
will be interesting to see how this plays out this season. I’m not sure Oden ever plays as a Blazer. Aside from trying to keep him around, why not waive him and let him recuperate in peace? Greg could probably use some time without PDX hanging over his head.
maybe, but I'd let him have that choice
otherwise, it’s adding insult to injury. Its not like we need to sign anyone anyway, and if we did, they never see the court.
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
will be interesting to see what happens
the way this plays out might tell us a lot about where Greg’s head is and what the FO is thinking
there's nothing to play out, and it wouldn't show us anything
we will waive his Bird rights’ this summer, he’ll move on down the road, take next season off rehabbing, then we’ll see if his story has any more NBA chapters. But if they do, they won’t be here.
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
Hard to say what we will do with his Bird Rights since his cap hold will be small.
I believe the cap hold is 190% of 1.5M, or about $2.9M. So depending on what we do with other free agents (ours and ones we might get) we may never need that $2.9M in cap room, and there may never be a reason to renounce him.
Personally, I expect this will be the end of the line for Oden. But who knows he might decide to try a comeback in 2014.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Feb 20, 2012 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
"and it wouldn't show us anything"
this would depend entirely on what you’re looking to learn and the definition of “anything”. “Nothing to play out” also depends on how close you’re looking and the perspective you’re looking from.
Honestly? I think I’m more bitter about whiffing on Oden vs. Durant than I am watching several years of Jailblazer basketball. At least with the Jailblazer era I saw a light at the end of the tunnel. Something had to change. Whiffing on a guy who will be the league MVP at some point in the near future makes me sick to my stomach. There’s just no recovering from that.
"It feels good to give the fans Taco Bell."
- Luke Babbitt, 1/23/2012
I hope he goes back to Ohio State, finishes school and becomes a dentist. I’d have a ton of respect for him if he did that. It would also be a heck of an achievement if he ever steps on an NBA court again.
These past five years...
It is hard to comprehend how we ended up here…
Yeah, think about the reaction we all had when we got the #1 pick
That Youtube video used to be one of my favorites, to see the fans going nuts. But now I’ll never be able to watch it again. Sigh.
by unblindloyalty on Feb 20, 2012 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
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