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Absence of clearly defined roles for much of the team

I was reading Bill Simmons The Book of Basketball,( and as much as I don't like some of his writing), there is a passage in there that talks about great teams '70 Knicks, '77 Blazers, The Spurs teams of the last decade. The one thing all of these teams had in common is that their were clearly defined roles, the players were brought in and knew what they had to do, who to defer to etc. Looking at the Blazers this year outside of Aldridge, Camby, The Rhino, and Kurt Thomas- essentially our front court players, no one else seems to know the role that they need to play on the team. You could say Wallace knows he needs to be the energy guy but those performances are intermittent at best.

Looking at Nicholas Batum and his inconsistent play also makes it seem like he doesn't quite know his role either. His biggest knock is he drifts out of games and is not aggressive enough, well could that be because with the other veterans on the team he doesn't know when he can be selfish (score) or defer and sit in the corner for a 3. For a player to be aggressive he has to know that he is the best option on the floor to get a bucket and outside of Aldridge, no one else has the physical tools to get a bucket other than Batum. Look at the rest of the guys Wesley Mathews doesn't seem to know/have a clearly defined role on this team either- Is he a 3 point specialist/ great individual defender? So far we haven't seen either, so what role does he have?

This brings us to Raymond Felton- he is supposed to be our starting point guard- potentially of the future. His aweful play this season to me looks like a mixture of to high expectations (easy to have in Portland when it comes to point guards who are not over 30) and a lockout season, as well as a lack of confidence- while this is not a pass for Felton I think it is very possible that these are contributing factors and mix that with a lockout season and being out of shape and that leaves you with our current version of Raymond Felton. The next guy I'll look at is Jamal Crawford- at the beginning of the season during that 7-2 stretch I thought Crawford played in his natural role- he was a scorer off the bench he did run some point guard- not nearly as much as he is now and he shot the ball well. While he is still playing well, due to circumstance plays a lot of point guard and as of this moment his role is evolving (could be starting at pg soon?).

The rookies and 2nd year guys due to a lack of court time hard to evaluate their roles on the team. It seems that our bad guard play is happening because roles are not clearly defined. Does Mathews think he is supposed to be a top 2 or 3 scorer on the team? Is he trying to be? Is Felton's play being diminished because of to high expectations, a lockout shortened season, and a new offensive system/lack of confidence? Batum for reasons mentioned above. Looking at the team it seems to me that a lack of clearly defined roles is leading to bad play- guys trying to do to much and that is leading to Portlands mounting loss total.

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You make some good points...

…I think roles are ill-defined at this point. But this is in large part a product of a coach searching for answers as several players under-perform. Mainly, Felton’s total incompetence at the point and Matthews’ inefficiency have caused the perimeter roles to shift.

by byronirvin on Feb 18, 2012 10:44 AM PST reply actions  

Ive been saying this for weeks . IMO the biggest culprits are Wallace and Felton

Nic is playing for a contract but thats normal for a player heading into RFA he is gonna want his mins so I have no problem with Nic

Ive never seen a team with two players with so many stipulations OUTSIDE of minutes about what they need to play well.

Most players on other teams say just give me the minutes and Ill produce and play well and we have TWO veteran guys one says dont tell me how to play and the other says I need hugs.

by Willie Beamon on Feb 18, 2012 12:23 PM PST reply actions  

I like this Fanpost

Thank you. This is something I’ve wanted to address for a while. I’ll probably do so during the All-Star break.

—Dave

by Dave on Feb 18, 2012 2:50 PM PST reply actions  

seems like this is a big reason why there is so much standing around on offense

The majority of portlands back court players just dont seem to know what to do when the easy buckets are not there and its even worse when Aldridge isn’t in the game and as I mentioned in the post- Raoles need to be established on the team and its Nate’s job to establish those.

by nolan.waters.kinney on Feb 18, 2012 4:42 PM PST reply actions  

Out of the mess

Batum seems to have carved himself out a much larger role on offense. He is doing damn good playing the 2 spot. Once again my stance on Batum or Wallace flip flopped, this time for good. Batum is a franchise corner stone for us & unless he can land you an Andre Drummond or Anthony Davis in the draft I don’t see the sense in letting him go- Resign him !

"We gotta get this $#!^ together guys!" - Phil

by 420Phenom on Feb 19, 2012 8:10 AM PST reply actions  

Oh! I like this topic!

This is something I’ve also been looking at for a while. Some teams seem to emphasize Roles more than others. San Antonio and Oklahoma City seem to be two examples with very clearly defined scorers (91/124 points went to Durant/Westbrook the other day) and then the entire team’s gameplan revolves around getting those guys the ball to score. Then clearly defined roles on what to do once the ball is in the air (who rebounds? Who gets back on D, etc). I think this has been a problem with Portland a little the last year or two just because we have a lot of similar good-but-not-great players. After Aldridge, you have a lot of guys who are capable, but it’s sometimes difficult to pin down what exactly it is that makes them good in terms of skills.

Also, I was considering making an entire Fanpost regarding Batum’s early game fire and his late game disappearance acts. But this is a better place for it I think (although use more line spaces! You’ll get more recs because people will actually read this!). Also, I generally use 1000 words for what can be said in 100, so sorry…. =(

My theory is that Batum has gotten almost irrational and childish in his dislike of playing with Crawford. Remember early in the season when we’d see Batum wide open and none of the ballhandling guards would pass to him? Everyone could see the frustration on his face and his body language. Well he’s finally proven himself to his new guards and they’re getting him the ball. Well sort of. Crawford just isn’t a passer. There are some guys who love (and know how to) pass and some guys who love to (and know how to) shoot. I used to think of the Shooters as ball hogs, but watching Portland’s late games without Brandon Roy, the opposing teams usually just make sure Aldridge can’t get the ball in a good spot and then dares anyone else on the team to shoot. Our Team Players suddenly are a little too unselfish, not taking open shots (someone else had an interesting take on that a little bit ago, calling it pretty selfish even to not take an open shot if that’s Your Shot).

Gosh. Where was I. This is why I never write my own fanposts. All ramble and no conciseness or organization. Sorry.

Oh right! Anyway, well now whenever I see Batum in with Crawford, he’s still doing that thing with his hands looking for the ball… but his man is right next to him. And Batum’s not moving or making any effort to get open or do anything. I mean, I know how it can be frustrating to work your butt off to get positioning or to get open and just have the ball handler kind of fake a pass and then shrug as if to say “not quite open enough” or “I should have passed sooner, but now it’s too late, my bad”. But Batum has quit on Crawford. I’m reading his body language as “Screw it, I hate playing with this guy. Let me try to show everyone how he won’t pass me the ball.” And it’s working. I think McMillan has finally come to the same conclusion. We didn’t see Crawford play very much at all last game.

So yeah. Batum’s inconsistent, but I think there’s some reason why. I don’t think Crawford is a villain here. We have needed someone to shoot the ball in late game situations. But I think Batum and Crawford are such a clash of styles that Batum can’t get over it. And when Crawford’s on the floor, Batum will never be close to reaching his potential. And for most of this season, Crawford’s been on the floor in late game situations. And therefore for most of the season, Batum disappears.

I do think there’s more to it than that. I think players who really love playing within a team system and keeping everyone involved and all that stuff (Batum) do tend to struggle more in late game situations than the Scorers who tend to see the world in terms of who is the best scorer and who isn’t, and generally keeping the ball in the Scorers hands (Crawford, and it’s a more effective strategy than a lot of us care to admit).

Anyway. When Crawford is in the game, the ball movement does tend to pretty much stop. I don’t know if it’s on Crawford for not passing or on his teammates for not moving around. But just watching Batum’s body language the last couple of games when he’s playing with Crawford, I think they could use some basketball couples counseling.

by Z-Bones on Feb 20, 2012 1:57 PM PST reply actions  

i would have given you a rec, but your comment wasn't long enough for my taste.

A displaced Sonics fan that has somehow emerged as a Blazers fan (and loves it).

by anitachampionship on Feb 20, 2012 2:07 PM PST up reply actions  

;) written in "sarcastica" font of course. Good read!

A displaced Sonics fan that has somehow emerged as a Blazers fan (and loves it).

by anitachampionship on Feb 20, 2012 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks! Probably should have been in its own Fanpost after all.

And a little organization wouldn’t hurt.

BATUUUUM SHAKALAKA!

by Z-Bones on Feb 20, 2012 4:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Crawford passes just fine he just left a team with 2 all stars and one borderline all star and none of those guys ever had a problem getting shots,touches etc

Nic is playing for a contract is and is breaking the plays but even then the offensive sets are to blame as well .

Ball movement is not actually stopping especially early in the game and late in the game we run set plays and more 1-4 designed to get LA or Crawford looks

the Lakers game is a perfect example of perception after we took Felton out in the 3rd we scored 28 points and had 8-9 assisted baskets in that quarter alone .

Now people claimed that Crawford wouldnt pass to Batum but the thing is the play calls was not for Batum it was for LA . When we go to the 1-4 set high its not designed to get the SF to a ton of shots.

Our standard set plays is designed for our SG to get touches ala BRoy

We then have a set of plays to get LA the ball on the block but also to free him up for jumpshot the latter especially when Crawford is on the floor .

When Nic is at SF hes subject to the same plays that Wallace is subject to but outside of that the role of the SF in our offense is as a baseline player either as a cutter or corner three point shooter . When Gerald has it going we normally call small curl plays to isolate him against his defender in either the face up or on the post .

Nic moves and I like that but he has to learn to move in a way in which hes not interrupting the set play . I see him 3-4 times a game when we are in a 1-4 where hes bring his man right to the middle of the floor hoping for the ball but the guard is waiting for the screen from the big

Last night in the 3rd jamal came in for Nic and Wes for Felton and then Nic came right back in a minute or so later for Camby and was at the SF spot .

We run a PF/SG based offensive system and has done it since it was Broy and ZBo its why Nic is getting minutes at SG because Nates not gonna change his system and hes probably got word from upstairs to get Nic minutes and shots

by Willie Beamon on Feb 21, 2012 7:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Thanks for the tip on the format

with your point on Crawford, I believe that explains why he only played 13 minutes the other night against Atlanta

by nolan.waters.kinney on Feb 20, 2012 2:04 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah for sure.

I can’t really give too many writing tips because my writing meanders all over the place. But it was something I was thinking about when reading your post.

And yeah. That was my thinking exactly on Crawford. I don’t think those are the minutes he’ll be getting the remainder of the season, because I believe he’s been one of our better players this year. But the offense has tended to stall when he’s in the game and he’s been subsequently forced to carry the team on his shoulders. I think Nate’s trying to get to the bottom of why that is. Getting a healthy balance of ball movement and having someone willing to actually shoot is obviously ideal, and we haven’t quite figured that out yet.

BATUUUUM SHAKALAKA!

by Z-Bones on Feb 20, 2012 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I think it's pretty hard to define roles

when the players are so inconsistent. I realize it’s kind of a chicken/egg thing, but it’s true. For example, let’s take Wesley Matthews. What’s his role? Is he a defensive stopper at the 2? Is he a spot-up three point shooter? Is he a slasher/finisher at the rim? Who knows? Some nights he’s good at those things, some nights not. String together a couple weeks of “not”, and the coach needs to find someone else to fill those duties.

by superfly05 on Feb 20, 2012 6:27 PM PST reply actions  

I've noticed when I'm struggling at anything...

… not just basketball, but any competitive activity, it often helps me if I settle down and focus on just one single thing to do well. Then if I start doing that well, I try to keep that up and move on to one other thing.

For example, when I’m in over my head playing pickup basketball I’ll usually decide to stop driving to the hoop at all for a while. Just focus on defense and rebounding. Get those down, then I work on one skill on offense. Outside shooting. Establishing post position while looking primarily for the pass. It doesn’t matter. Just a couple of things. It always cleans up my game.

The players don’t have to do this exactly, but if Wesley decided to stop dribbling in practices for a week and tried to feed the post when he was guarded and shoot the 3 ball when he wasn’t, I bet you he gets his shot back pretty quick. Maybe get someone to tell him several times a day to square up and take that 0.5 seconds to focus like he usually does when you know it’s going in (making it a mantra really helps. Square. Pause. Shoot.). Once he gets his trey ball back, then loosen up the reins a little again. I know he’s a better 3 point shooter than he’s been showing this year and I’d rather him make that his primary skill and focus on his dribbling second.

That’s just one example, but you can look at all the players and kind of do the same thing. Obviously you can’t take it so extreme as I do in my pickup games to the point where you hardly dribble at all (I’m sure opposing teams would pick up on that), but I think the point is pretty valid and not as difficult as you were making it sound.

BATUUUUM SHAKALAKA!

by Z-Bones on Feb 21, 2012 12:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Ideally though- you would put him in a position to not try and do more than what he is good at

Its the job of the coaching staff to put him in a position where he can take advantage of his strengths. Wesley is no finisher- not a good one anyway- obviously with all of our guards under achieving its hard to define specific roles for guys but I think it would go along way to boosting the confidence of the guys out there. When the play is bad everyone is trying to do to much and hurting the team even more.

by nolan.waters.kinney on Feb 20, 2012 9:15 PM PST reply actions  

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