Trade Drawer Announcement, Trade Question, and Fanpost Reminder
The trade deadline is less than a month away and the Trail Blazers have made it apparent that they are not favorites to win an NBA title in 2011-12. That combination portends multiple upon multiple trade suggestion Fanposts. Each year as we hit this part of the season cycle we institute a Trade Drawer wherein speculative trade proposals can be suggested and discussed. We renew this every day or two so one is always visible in the sidebar on the front page. To be clear: this is a main page story so everyone will see it. From now on Trade Drawers will be in the Fanpost section.
Consider this the opening of trade season 2011-12 style and this the first Trade Drawer. Please don't post suggested trades elsewhere. Trade rumors with links to credible sources are fine to post outside the Trade Drawer.
Now...I got an e-mail today from Boston folks wanting to know if anybody would be interested in any members of their former Big Three: Garnett, Pierce, Allen. Obviously Rondo would be the hotter topic around here but he's not on the table. I worked through some scenarios, all of them implausible because of salary disparity. Giving up, I turn it over to you guys. Would you make any kind of trade for Boston's former stars?
--Dave (blazersub@gmail.com)
P.S. Browsing the sidebar lately I've noticed a few Fanposts that really didn't rise to the level of Fan-postable the way it's defined on Blazersedge. I do not want to encourage people with that silly, dismissive "this should be a Fanshot" commenting stuff. Please don't do that to fellow readers. If you have a legitimate objection to a Fanpost, flag it and let the mods know why.
However, as a general announcement, Fanposts should have a substantial topic which is treated with enough thought to encourage further discussion on a subject not being talked about elsewhere currently. Most of the Fanposts that have made me wince lacked criteria #2 and #3. People are Fanposting items which should be comments under ongoing discussions on the main page or another Fanpost.
If you're mad at Raymond Felton after a game and you want to criticize him in two sentences or suggest he be traded that's a comment in the Game Recap, not a separate Fanpost. If you have a specific trade in mind it goes in the Trade Drawer, not a separate Fanpost. The separate Fanpost comes in when you have a detailed take that brings us new food for thought and departs significantly from the discussion already happening.
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I'd give them Matthews and Wallace for Ray Allen
Opens up minutes for Batum and gives us a real shooter.
I agree, but...
I don’t think he’s worth trading for. He’s 36, only on a 1-year contract, and I don’t see the Blazers handing him a multi-year contract after this season. Since we aren’t contenders any trades we make should be to improve the team for next year.
yes. bring on ray ray.
A displaced Sonics fan that has somehow emerged as a Blazers fan (and loves it).
by anitachampionship on Feb 17, 2012 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
agreed
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Allen would be the only 1 id even consider
but really , no, I wouldnt want any of the 3. None fills our glaring issues at pg or center.
We need a trade that can deliver 1 or both, a center or pg or both. I say go after Nash and Lopez or go for Okafor and Jack give up Ray, GW, KT or Camby and any filler to sweeten the pot. Really, worst case scenario is we wait for the FA market. Even if we have a ton of money, big name players do not seem to want to come here. Heck crappy Turkoglu players dont even want to come here. Trade seems to be our best option IMHO.
by cavejunctionblazer on Feb 17, 2012 2:46 PM PST reply actions
only celtics
i would want are Rondo!! and petrius guy can shoot!
None of 'em...
Pierce will retire a Celtic.
Ray Allen would cost us Nic Batum and no less.
KG’s too old and would cost too much also.
I would love to see KG anchor our defense and give us some of that Celtic Culture. He’s been playing great this year since he shook off the cobwebs…
He played some mean C against M Gasol, Bynum and phenomenally well against Dwight Howard.
BUT NO!
Celtics are my #2 team and I want the Big 3 to retire that way
And they have a few of the same issues as us...
their center is oooooooooooooooooooold!
not good trading partners…
i think we should go after ridnour and hibbert. both are affordable options.
A displaced Sonics fan that has somehow emerged as a Blazers fan (and loves it).
by anitachampionship on Feb 17, 2012 2:53 PM PST reply actions
here is how it would work:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=8yp2mke
A displaced Sonics fan that has somehow emerged as a Blazers fan (and loves it).
by anitachampionship on Feb 17, 2012 2:58 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think Indiana would do it.
They run their team extremely responsible financially and they don’t need the expiring contract. If I am correct they are already under the cap.
That would be great
But…no way the Pacers trade for an expiring contract and an unproven young player when they have to give up Roy Hibbert who was just named to the All Star team.
That’s one flaw from the Trade Machine is that it only gives the current salary. If I’m understanding it right, that $2.6 million is the final year of a rookie contract (he’s been in the league for 3 years). Even if the Pacers were willing to trade him, it probably wouldn’t come until next year with a sign-and-trade. Being on a rookie contract, they can basically get him for another year for free and then decide whether to sign him or let him become a FA.
"just shoot Aldridge. it's not like we're getting easy shots anyway" - by poorwebguy
"that sounds not how you wanted it to sounds....it sounds like Aldridge is a horse with a broken leg" - by bgblazer
I want Hibbert, but he's not going anywhere.
Indiana is doing too well. JaVale McGee, on the other hand, might be, If you think Camby and Thomas can teach him not to be such a headcase on the floor.
"Wide, girthy. Just like a Rhino. Sometimes my horns are visible."
yeah, it's a wish for sure--he's their building block right now.
A displaced Sonics fan that has somehow emerged as a Blazers fan (and loves it).
by anitachampionship on Feb 17, 2012 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
No JaVale
I used to be high on the guy, but from watching him play this season and doing some reading on the guy, my impression of him has gone downhill. He has some physical gifts, but seems to lack either discipline or “smarts”.
"The invention of basketball was not an accident. It was developed to meet a need. Those boys simply would not play Drop the Handkerchief." - James Naismith
the hope is that with experienced veterans like camby and thomas,
he learns how to play smarter. that’s a risky proposition, but if we can find a way to grab him at the deadline, we’ll have a two month period where we can see if he’s teachable, and then he becomes an RFA and we can decide whether to try and keep him or not.
"Wide, girthy. Just like a Rhino. Sometimes my horns are visible."
Rondo and Ray
for whatever they like of ours that isn’t named LaMarcus Aldridge. can we make a deal?
"Wide, girthy. Just like a Rhino. Sometimes my horns are visible."
how to get rondo and ray:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=82p6z2v
A displaced Sonics fan that has somehow emerged as a Blazers fan (and loves it).
by anitachampionship on Feb 17, 2012 3:00 PM PST reply actions
still works if we leave out matthews as well
A displaced Sonics fan that has somehow emerged as a Blazers fan (and loves it).
by anitachampionship on Feb 17, 2012 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
Great for the Blazers, especially w/o Matthews
I’m not sure why the Celts would do. I suppose it might help them clear cap space to make a run at Williams & Howard?
Another alternative would be to bring back Pierce and Rondo for Wallace, Felton and Matthews. Again, I can’t really see Boston doing it unless it’s about cap space. The latter trade would really open things up cap wise for the Celts.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
I wish we could swing that
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Boston can do better.
Much, much, much better.
by AK1984 on Feb 18, 2012 8:52 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Pierce will want to retire as a Celtic (or at least they'll do them the favor to trade him to whatever team he wants to be traded to, likely a surefire contender)
KG and Allen are upcoming unrestricted free agents and would do the same. Non-starter.
No, no trade with Boston will improve the Blazers
I enjoy playing GM, however, this season my GM bag of assets and trade ideas is empty.
Improving the Blazers this season will need to come from within. I still like this Blazer roster. It is a very talented roster, however, they are not playing well together right now.
this
minus the current pg/center scenario.
Nothing against Camby.
"just shoot Aldridge. it's not like we're getting easy shots anyway" - by poorwebguy
"that sounds not how you wanted it to sounds....it sounds like Aldridge is a horse with a broken leg" - by bgblazer
I'd even go so far as saying that Camby is perfectly fine
He’s better than more than half the centers on other teams. All our problems are in the backcourt. Felton is the worst starting point guard in the league, and he’s worse than more than half the league’s point guard off the bench. Matthews has the worst handle and passing skills of any off-guard I can think of.
steve blake and derek fisher for raymond felton
jedi hand wave
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
no help for the lakers
derek fisher and steve blake are both playing just as horribly as Felton this year. plus, I want the lakers to suffer in draft purgatory for the next fifty years.
"Wide, girthy. Just like a Rhino. Sometimes my horns are visible."
These aren't the PG's you are looking for
no really. they aren’t!
"Luke is our go-to Chalupa man," Matthews said. "Designated."
by Vorlauf on Feb 17, 2012 3:32 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't drag a good EP IV reference down with a reference to EP I !!!
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
Blake they would give up but not Fisher.
After the work Fisher put in this offseason and his long standing role with the Lakers means they won’t be dropping him this year. He’ll retire or move as free agent before they trade him.
I do think they’d go for moving Blake, but I’m not sure we would want Blake for Felton strait up.
Who alongside Blake would make it more worthwhile?
Blake is worse than Felton.
He drives to the basket less than any other PG in the league (literally) and actually has a lower PER than Felton.
Plus, his contract is for the next two seasons. At least the Feton nightmare ends pretty soon.
by Nick Van Excellent on Feb 17, 2012 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
EXTRA EXTRA
Denver Stiffs reports Chris Anderson is on the trade chop block…
In true Portlandia style the Blazers could add to their roster
by putting a Bird(man) on it!
"You can walk away from someone who doesn't love you. And you can walk away from someone you don't love. But when the love is mutual," Roy said. "The hardest thing is to walk away."
-Brandon Roy as told to Jason Quick of The Oregonian
I'm not sure if they'd do this, but I'm sure we would
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
I JUST WANT MY BASKETBALL BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Sean in Vancouver on Feb 17, 2012 8:40 PM PST up reply actions
I posted this a few days ago but was immediately buried as the FanPost left the sidebar...
A “rather” feasible way to get Steve Nash…
First the major hang up with getting Nash is the quote from Pheonix that they won’t trade him unless he asks for it, seconded by Steve Nash saying he does not want to leave this year. I think this has been blown out of proportion. I think Nash would definitely leave for the right team, and I think we are one of very few teams that can offer him anything attractive. Mainly,I do think that Nash would enjoy playing in Portland for a myriad of reasons that have been listed many times this year. I’ll list em…
1) He’s a Pacific Northwest guy and this would bring him closer to his home, his brother (lives in Vancouver), and his business interets (Partial owner of Vancouver Whitecaps).
2) He would be immediately embraced by the Portland fan base, and Nash would benefit and feel grateful for the energy we bring.
3) Paul Allen is not afraid to pay a star of his caliber. (See below)
Next, I strongly believe that renting Nash for the remainder of this year, then having the upper hand in negotiating a new contract puts us in a very strong position for a soft-rebuild around LA, Nash and Batum. (Not a bad three for other free agents to want to play with). I think Nash would be interested in a three year contract (third year team option) around 8-10 million a year with incentives on games played to hedge his age.
That’s right, I did say Batum in my last statement. My proposal keeps our young star to be in Portland and here is how I would do it.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6pvtmml
Portland
PG: Nash / N. Smith / A. Johnson
SG: We$ / Crawford
SF: Batum / Childress / Babbitt
PF: LA / C. Smith
C: Camby / Frye / K. Thomas
Phoenix
PG: Felton / Price / S. Telfair
SG: S. Brown / Redd / E. Williams
SF: G. Wallace / Hill / Dudley
PF: Warrick / Morris
C: Gortat / Lopez / C. Johnson
A couple of caveats and reasoning behind this:
Portland obviously picks up the only point guard available to us right now that can help us win now, but we also get Channing Frye returned to us to backup Camby and find someone who can actually hit the three ball on a regular basis. Of course we are stuck with the albatross that is J. Childress, but its not like he’s any worse than Babbitt. I know our SF position is pretty thin with this trade, but we do have an extra roster spot that opens which gives us the chance to make a lopsided trade, D-League call up or the rare free agent pickup of Wilson Chandler who will be coming back from China soon. Or as Bill Simmons put, we could coax them into giving us Grant Hill for that last spot.
Phoenix does this for a couple reasons. First they get something back in return for an already departing Steve Nash. Second, then pick up two expiring contracts ($17 mill worth) on players that can actually produce if they chose they fit their system. Add to that they lose the stink hole that Childress, 6 mill over four years, brings and its a pretty attractive deal. Third they pick up a couple relatively attractive young pieces in Elliot Williams and Chris Johnson which they can use any way they want. The hold up in this deal for them is getting rid of Frye, however he has already been in and out of the lineup this year, and given the financial flexibility they gain with this deal I’d say its fair.
Oooook. So go ahead and tear this idea to shreds. I know its not perfect but I think it helps us fundamentally in the two areas we need the most help in. Backcourt prowess and three point depth.
Cheers.
by Buckwill on Feb 17, 2012 3:28 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I think you really have to look at salary.
Childress and Fry would kill your cap space for the next 4 years. Not worth it.
by Nick Van Excellent on Feb 17, 2012 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
Disagree...
Frye is a good player who could help this team without a doubt. Not to mention he used to play here before and he lives here during the off season.
As for Childress, you may be right, but as Buckwill says “its not like he’s any worse than Babbitt.”
I Bleed Red...
by blazers71252 on Feb 17, 2012 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
I'd have to half agree/half disagree.
I don’t think the Cap space is killed at all in regards to Channing Frye. He is a legitimate threat on the court and does fill the 4/5 position.
Think of having him on the floor with LA… The honesty opposing defenses would have to give to Frye and Aldridge on the perimeter could open up the inside dramatically for LA and the pick and roll.
Regarding Childress, I agree that his contract is closer to wasting our cap space. But then again, that is why this trade would have a chance in the first place.
But even with both of these players on the books and us giving Batum a contract he deserves, we would still be able to offer someone a decent contract in free agency depending on Crawford staying or leaving. If Crawford stays then we would still have the mini MLE to use and again, its going to be alot easier to coax someone to Portland with LA, Nash and Batum as your building blocks, not to mention us keeping We$.
I agree, NVE.
If Steve Nash would be enough to get Portland over the hump, then sure. Yet, after losing in the Western Conference Semifinals or whatever, the Blazer fans would then be having buyer’s remorse.
I actually think this is a brilliant trade...
Both teams get what they want and the trade works.
The only problem is would the Blazers actually be able to pull of a trade as big as that? I don’t see any signs of this team even thinking about moving players, which undoubtedly sucks because this is the time the team needs change the most and the front office is sitting on their hands.
Hopefully we start playing better and maybe it’ll all work out with this current team, but it’s highly unlikely. BIG change is coming for this team… it’s just a matter of when.
Before the deadline or during the summer? Or even both?
I Bleed Red...
by blazers71252 on Feb 17, 2012 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
Frye doesn't get what he wants
I think he loves giving the Blazers bench stink eye
"Luke is our go-to Chalupa man," Matthews said. "Designated."
True...
But only because he proved to us that he can be a valuable piece on a contending team.
I Bleed Red...
by blazers71252 on Feb 17, 2012 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
a rare example
Of somebody the blazers dropped who is now playing better. That is true. Still would he want to come back under those circumstances?
"Luke is our go-to Chalupa man," Matthews said. "Designated."
by Vorlauf on Feb 17, 2012 5:03 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
well, when he was here the first time
he was basically unknown. Now, he’s a known commodity with an established reputation.
I JUST WANT MY BASKETBALL BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Sean in Vancouver on Feb 17, 2012 9:10 PM PST up reply actions
He can also hit 3's and grab a few boards now...
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
THat is one of the biggest obstacles to any trade this deadline...
We are in a position where a BIG trade does make sense, but are the Blazers ready to do it? The huge blinking neon sign that tells us no is the fact that we do not have GM. Hard to imagine any substantial moves being made without a full time GM to orchestrate.
I would have to imagine the only reason...
Why PA hasn’t hired a GM yet is because of the potential lockout season. Otherwise there should be a GM already because we certainly need one.
Is it so bad to just give Chad Buchanon the job?
I Bleed Red...
by blazers71252 on Feb 17, 2012 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
More likely...
PA hasn’t hired a new GM because he hasn’t found one more worthy than Buchanon. Why give Buchanon the job when he’s already doing it for less money and no long-term commitment?
Or to put it another way: Buchanon is effectively the GM already and PA gets to try him out without the embarrassment of axing another GM if things don’t work out. Plus, if someone they really want becomes available at the end of the season, they can bring them in without making their fourth GM change in four years.
"...it was like he brought his own personal cross-wind to the arena." - Dave
I really like
your trade. We need to bring Freeeland from overseas and this roster looks really nice. And when Camby retires we will free some cap space which will give us more options. Frye is not brilliant but is not so bad as he plays this year. Chilldress also got enough talent to be a good back-up. Players usually play better under McMillan than under other coaches (Felton is the exception here), so you never know if he would not recall some of his play from few years ago.
And on the top of that
LA would have many 40 points games thnx to Nash. That would be awesome :)
they're getting zero star power in return for nash. no go.
A displaced Sonics fan that has somehow emerged as a Blazers fan (and loves it).
by anitachampionship on Feb 21, 2012 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
A MLB minor league player was recently traded in exchange for 10 maple baseball bats.
It was a little funny until he killed himself. I know Felton makes $7M/yr but I feel bad for the guy. I would like the Blazers to work something out with Phoenix, not for Nash, but for the rights to Aarron Brooks. He’s a great passer, good FG%, perfect free throw %, and durable.
by go_ducks on Feb 17, 2012 3:28 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
It was an independent league player.
There’s a stark difference between the MLB-affiliated minor leagues and unaffiliated independent leagues.
By the time John Odom was a part of that now infamous trade, he’d already flamed out of the MLB-affiliated minor leagues.
Sun's only option
To trade with the Suns would make us better this year and we need to do it sooner than later. Either Felton and Wallace or Felton and Batum. What we have to do is get Nash and Brooks out of the deal. Everyone is available save LA and Wes. Having Brooks and Crawford together would be amazing. Is it the fan in me or could we sign B-Roy to a contract for the playoffs only? Then, you have the Seattle connection!
by Frank Sunderland on Feb 17, 2012 3:33 PM PST reply actions
That would be great, but...
Under the new CBA rules we cannot sign B-Roy to any contract during the period of his previous amnestied contract.
Storyteller will know, but I think that runs until 2014
oh well, the rest could go through however, and Brooks and Nash would provide solidity and depth, plus, hopefully a future in Brooks.
by Frank Sunderland on Feb 17, 2012 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
Nash
We all would love Nash. The problem with the trade suggested is Phoenix won’t do it. Elliot Williams is not enough of a chip. Trades work because of cap relief or young prospects. Yeah, Phoenix gets some cap relief, but they don’t get enough young talent. Nash will be a hot commodity and someone will be willing to give up a legit good young player. Maybe we add in Babbit assuming Phoenix thinks he can play. The best way for this deal to work is to turn this into a three team trade that lets the suns spin off wallace for draft picks and also gets rid of warrick.
yeah...
sorry, but I find the “Drawers” around here to be kind of a joke, ever since the loss of the true Junk Drawers.
Taking a well-thought out idea/post and putting into a comment simply allows for complete ignorance of a topic, and allows only a couple people to remotely comment.
Hence, if you have an interesting, unique comment, and you want intelligent comments specifically about that player/trade, might as well make a new post—- since half the posts are total wastes and commentaries anyways (rather than, say, true analysis)…
http://www.blazersedge.com/2012/2/17/2806304/could-robin-lopez-be-had-for-cheap-a-big-man-discussion
"If you can do a half-assed job of anything, you're a one-eyed man in a kingdom of the blind."
by thankyouforblaze on Feb 17, 2012 3:52 PM PST reply actions
If it's well thought out and that expansive
it merits its own Fanpost. The “half the posts are total wastes and commentaries” opinion argues for such a collective drawer, not against. Putting the trade talk into one place leaves room on the sidebar for the kind of posts you’d like to see more of.
—Dave
Bulls THIRD STRING PG
had a 9 and 9 in 22 mins last night. those guys are set. boozer goes out, they keep winning. deng goes out, they keep winning. rose goes out, they keep winning.
play defense or warm the bench
that 3rd string PG is a 10 day rental, I believe.
3 Way trade - Blazers, Suns, & Hornets idea
Portland gets Chris Kamen and the rights to Aaron Brooks
Hornets get Felton, Robin Lopez and Luke Babbitt
Suns get A. Johnson, Blazers 2012 2nd round pick
How is that going to get Portland a championship?
Brooks isn’t a franchise point guard and kamen won’t do any better than Camby.
by TheShougPanther5 on Feb 17, 2012 6:22 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Kamen's better pure 5 than Camby
Kamen has better offensive numbers, and can defend the post against real centers. Camby never has been a true 5 (not to mention minor detail of being about a decade younger).
Aaron Brooks puts up solid NBA starting point guards per 36 numbers. Just hasn’t gotten the minutes.
Brooks was starting for 1 1/2 yrs at Houston
Got over 30 mins as starter last half of 08-09.
Got 35.6 as starter in 09-10.
Was starter in 10-11,got hurt early,when he came back was given chance to win back starting job from Lowry,couldn’t,sulked even more and moped his way out of Houston.
Brooks can score,w/almost unlimited range.
He can’t defend a bit.(He does none of the things small,quick guards do-draw charges,harass the dribble and/or poach passing lanes. He just tries to play his man straight up a few feet away,giving himself a cushion for if his man tries to drive past him. This leads to his man being able to shoot at will over him,and his man being able to drive at will as Brooks never uses his speed to get in front and try and draw a charge.)
His passing is very suspect. He makes great bounce passes,but it feels like that’s all he does.
He rarely threw lob passes,never in half-court sets. I think he has decent PG vision,but is afraid to make passes that might get intercepted.(It’s that or his court vision is very poor.)
He finally got his Assists to turnovers to better than 2-1,but he would still make absolutely jaw-dropping bad turnovers at the worst moment.
He’s a SG trapped in a PGs body.
As firepower off the bench,he’d be great.
As a starting PG…somebody else better be running the offense.(Let’s put it this way,Coach Adelman eventually had to have either Battier or Artest pass into Yao as Brooks couldn’t do it.)
He can really fire up a crowd,which is a skill in itself.
Kamen's been looking pretty nice lately.
Got that nice mid range, a scoring threat next to LA and NO is trying to trade him. I want him to shave that disgusting beard-thing though…
Beno
He has show he can play in past stints with Sac. http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6vxklpl PDX adds 2nd rounder or rights to Joel Freeland.
jeremy lin's parents...
“NBA? Why not NBA+?”
Step 1: Crawford for Eric Bledsoe and Randy Foye
Step 2:
Bledsoe, Foye (exp. contract), Felton, EWill
for
Nash, Childress, Lopez
Step 3:
Lopez/Thomas and We$
for
Asik, Brewer, John Lucas
Thoughts?
Brandon Jennings?
the rest is basically filler trying to make it work financially and make a little sense for them. Apparently Jennings isnt happy in Milwaukie and wants a larger market, I’m hoping playing with an All-Star would quell that.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6qxvppb
I JUST WANT MY BASKETBALL BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Sean in Vancouver on Feb 17, 2012 8:57 PM PST up reply actions
sorry, that wasnt supposed to be a reply
I JUST WANT MY BASKETBALL BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Sean in Vancouver on Feb 17, 2012 8:57 PM PST up reply actions
Brandon Jennings?
the rest is basically filler trying to make it work financially and make a little sense for them. Apparently Jennings isnt happy in Milwaukie and wants a larger market, I’m hoping playing with an All-Star would quell that.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6qxvppb
I JUST WANT MY BASKETBALL BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Sean in Vancouver on Feb 17, 2012 8:58 PM PST reply actions
Get Jarrett Jack back
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6wyna6e – Camby and Crash for Emeka, Jack and one of their first round picks this year. Not sure why NO does this but I think it would be good for the Blazers to get a lottery pick or two this year. Then send Felton back to New York for a bag of chips and future considerations.
Andris Biedrins and Stephen Curry
With the Warriors up against the cap and no R1 selection, I would look to offload Ray Felton and move Greg Wallace and get Andris Biedrins plus Stephen Curry back.
Its a deal that’s based on money.
With a total of $16m potentially coming off the Warriors books, this gives them a lot of options in free agency in the off season, whilst removing a biggish contract. The Warriors will have Kwame Brown, Jeremy Tyler and potentially Ekpe Udoh in the middle, whilst Wallace could be an upgrade over Dorell Wright at SF. Felton, Nate Robinson and Charles Jenskins could hold down their PG position until the end of the year.
We get an explosive scoring PG with unfortunately marginal defense but this is offset by a good defensive C. A starting 5 of:
PG Curry
SG Chandler
SF Batum
PF Aldridge
C Biedrins
would be explosive.
I might be tempted to throw in this years R1 selection because it will likely be a late 20s selection if the trade worked.
The Warriors maybe feel that the only way they can avoid be perenial bottom feeders is a shake up. Curry has come up in trade rumours before as has Biedrins and this might be an attractive time to move them for expiring contracts.
* Of course its Wesley Matthews at SG
too much time spent look at Wilson Chandlers current contract situation
by Kernowblazer on Feb 18, 2012 6:19 AM PST up reply actions
GSW has refused to trade Curry for Amare and Chris Paul
They are not moving him for Gerald Wallace,who could opt out.
Unrelated to the Blazers, here's the kind of blockbuster I'd like to see before the March 15th trade deadline.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=8yjf2lq
Why for Boston?
Because it finally begins the rebuilding process by dealing Rondo — who seems to have had an up-and-down relationship with team president Danny Ainge — while getting under the luxury tax this season.
Why for Indiana?
Because it gets a sharp-shooting wing, Ray Allen, in an attempt to make a deep playoff run this season. Losing George Hill hurts; however, he’s currently on the shelf with an ankle injury and, at age 25, has appeared to have peaked as a 6th/7th man role player.
Why for Houston?
Because it gets Pau Gasol, who Rockets GM Daryl Morey made a strong push to acquire during the off-season.
Why for Los Angeles?
Because it gets a long-term solution at point guard, Rondo, as well as deals with the awkwardness that’s been hanging over the team’s head ever since the Gasol/CP3 veto. Scola is a satisfactory replacement at the 4, while Jermaine O’Neal adds depth at the 5 behind Andrew Bynum.
I, however, think the Celtics only sign off on this trade proposal if Ainge’s itchy trigger finger gets the best of him.
Back to Portland, I have no good ideas at this time. The Blazers are, for all intents and purposes, stuck between a rock and a hard place.
The Celtics would probably insist on at least getting some good PG back
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7uqwd4c
They might even demand Lowry (no deal probably), or someone like Jordan Hill.
That's terrible for Boston
At least George Hill is back but downgrading at two positions and you aren’t even offering picks as compensation?
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This might have been posted earlier
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=86euqzm
But I wouldn’t mind doing this trade. Take a chance on some players with the physical make up to Be players. Clean the slate a bit without losing flexibility.
wallace for allen
I put that one out there about 1 month ago. Salaries match up, we’d get the better player, and we would have a legit floor-stretcher for LA. I think he’d be easier to resign for a reasonable 1-2 year contract, and I think he would still be effective despite being a bit older than GW (GW is already on the decline, and it will only get worse as his athleticism goes and he has to rely on his “skill”). I don’t see why boston would do this, but it makes sense for the blazers.
No to pierce, no to KG.
Here's a trade that might be helpful.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7gke4bk
Mavs Get Gerald for Marion And Beaubois:
Gerald is about equal to Marion at this point in their careers, but his opt-out gives the Mavs the ability to go after D-Will and Howard. Beaubois is barely getting enough playing time as it is now with Kidd, West, Carter, and Terry in the lineup.
Clippers Get Shawn Marion for Mo Williams:
the Clippers are loaded at point, so this clears out space for Bledsoe to get a little bit of time, and Marion is an upgrade at SF.
Blazers Get Mo Williams and Roddy Beaubois for Gerald Wallace:
We get a pretty good starting PG, capable of knocking down the 3, and a young, talented, french SG in Roddy Beaubois. Start the two of them with Batum and find a way to trade Matthews for a shorter contract. Waive Felton.
"Wide, girthy. Just like a Rhino. Sometimes my horns are visible."
most interesting
Trade I’ve seen yet, I like mo williams and roddy beaubois’ potential and I love GW but I do think he’s going to opt out (unless Dallas does make a deep playoff run) LA likes mo Williams though and have said they’re committed to him AND I don’t really think that they’re going to move him for a backup 3 option since they lost big shot this year….I mean CP3 likes what Randy foye brings to the table but they don’t want to have to depend on him that much and they’d have to if Mo was gone and Chauncey
by trax639 on Feb 18, 2012 7:41 PM PST via mobile reply actions
yeah this mainly works if the clippers think they'll get billups back at some point.
but Marion is more of a starting option at the three. much better defender then anyone on their roster, good on offense, gives them some actual size.
"Wide, girthy. Just like a Rhino. Sometimes my horns are visible."
Clips won't trade Mo for anything less than a quality starting SG
They don’t need Marion with Butler already there, either.
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What about
Matthews for oj mayo strait up. Then move Wallace for mo Williams. Then trade Felton for cap relief and some kind of pick. 2 great shooters at 1 and 2. This team could score. We than look for a big in next years draft. The in out game would be tremendous as Aldridge would have 3 shooters to push back out too.
Mo Williams.
Oj mayo
Batum
Aldridge
Camby
Get Isaiah Thomas from the Kings before he makes a name for himself...
Can’t believe we drafted Nolan Smith and JON DIEBLER over this guy.
Just look at the #s.
Batum Shakalaka
Hindsight really is so much fun
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How the Blazers get Deron Williams
It is conceivable the Blazers could trade for Deron Williams. The only way it becomes a possibility is if Dwight Howard gets traded to either the Lakers, Knicks, or Chicago where he would resign after this season. At that point the Nets would have absolutely zero chance of resigning Williams, and would be forced to trade him or lose him for nothing in free agency. Given that, they would trade him to any team regardless of his wishes and let his contract year be another team’s problem.
Here is the trade to get Williams in a Blazer uniform. A few notes about the trade: 1) The Blazers would probably send Crawford instead of Matthews to the Nets. But due to the league rules, they would only be able to send him after March first (ergo the Trade Machine doesn’t let me include him). I personally would prefer to send Crawford to the Nets instead of Matthews as it is. The Nets would probably prefer Crawford as well, because he can play PG and they already have a young SG in MarShon Brooks. Matthews would just be redundant in their lineup. 2) The Blazers would probably have to throw in a first-round pick to get the deal done. But it would be worth it to get Williams.
Here is why each team does this:
Timberwolves: The Timberwolves have so many bad contracts they are over the Luxury Tax line, and need some serious cap relief. Marcus Camby and Raymond Felton would represent $18.8 million in cap relief for them after this season. They have a log-jam up front, and by trading Darko Milicic and Anthony Randolph they would help clear their front court situation up and allow them to move forward with a frontcourt rotation with Kevin Love, Derrick Williams, Nikola Pekovic, and Brad Miller.
Nets: I will admit, this is a little bit of a stretch for the Nets to do this. It is entirely conceivable they would demand Batum in the deal as well (more on this in a bit). But, each of the three players they would be getting are on expiring contracts and they would have a legitimate chance to resign each of them, where they would have no chance at resigning Williams. They would gain a first round pick, plus an ultra-talented forward to put next to Brook Lopez in Anthony Randolph. They could instantly rebuild their team with a starting five of Crawford, Brooks, Gerald Wallace, Randolph and Lopez. With smart drafting they could add some nice depth, or use the expiring contracts to chase other free agents.
Blazers: Self-explanitory. Williams is the prize here, plus they would get him without giving up LaMarcus Aldridge or Nicolas Batum. The only reason the Blazers could get away with keeping Batum is because the Nets’ back would be against the wall; they would be dealing from a position of weakness, knowing they would have to trade him or get nothing for him when he walks in free agency. It’s similar to the Howard situation in Orlando; while Otis Smith wants both Pau and Bynum in a Howard trade, the Lakers can just sit tight because they know no one has a better offer at this point than Bynum (except for the Bulls, who haven’t seriously entered the talks yet). The Lakers can wait out the Magic, and the Blazers would theoretically be able to do the same thing with the Nets, as long as there wasn’t a better offer out there.
The only players they would be giving up (Crawford, Camby, Felton, Wallace), while NBA starters, aren’t in their long-term plans anyway. They would have to take back several bad contracts (Darko Milicic and Johan Petro, the Timberwolves and Nets’ worst contracts), but with their cap space it would be worth it to get Williams. The Blazers would not be able to draft a young center this year, but Petro and Milicic would give them two healthy, replacement-level big men for the next few years. Michael Beasley is on an expiring contract, would provide a decent backup at SF for Batum, and could use the rest of the season as an audition for his next contract.
Here is the catch to this trade: Batum. If the Nets demand him in the trade, the Blazers would only do it if Williams agreed before hand to a contract extension. As long as the Nets don’t demand Batum, it would be worth it only trading Crawford, Camby, Felton and Wallace no matter if Williams resigns in Portland or not. They would have an entire season to convince Williams to take a bigger contract to stay in Portland instead of going to Dallas or the Lakers (unless the Lakers trade for Howard, in which case they wouldn’t have enough cap space to sign Williams as well). And at that point it would depend on what Williams wants. If he only wants to play in a big market then he’d be gone, and settle for tens of millions of dollars less.
However, if he wants to win, the Blazers could build around Williams, LA, Matthews and Batum (who could open up and space the floor for Williams). Doing this trade for Williams would be like a poker player going all-in on the turn (the fourth community card that is flipped over in Texas Hold ’Em, for those non poker players out there). If Williams re-signs and the Blazers can resign Batum this offseason, they would have a solid core for the next 4-5 years that could compete for several titles. If Williams walks in free agency, then the Blazers have to rebuild around LA, Batum and Matthews.
Two Trades.... One for a lottery pick and Thomas, the other for Sessions and Varejao
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=79tdnuj
Why the Blazers do this? Allows us to take a look at a quick PG who can shot the ball from deep AND get a top 8 pick in a good draft.
Why the Kings do this? Salmons contract flat STINKS. Wallace can play and will opt out. He will help them this year and it’s no mystery that the Maloofs can’t handle many bad contracts.
Trade #2
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7qrvvau
Why the Blazers do this? Again, we get a young PG who can hit an open jumper (sometimes it seems like we’re the only team in the NBA who doesn’t have this). We also get Varejao who is a big older than I’d prefer, but a very good fit with his toughness and rebounding (also makes Camby tradable).
Why the Cavs do this? Gives them help at the 2 and 3, which they need. I don’t know whether or not Portland would need to include their first round pick, but I wouldn’t hesitate to do so. A win-win trade.
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