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Chris Haynes of CSNNW.com with some interesting thoughts from Portland Trail Blazers guard Raymond Felton after Thursday night's loss to the Los Angeles Clippers.
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"I know I'm struggling, but it's hard to perform the way you know how when you know they don't have confidence in you," Felton told CSNNW.com. "Never in my days playing basketball, have I felt like a coach wasn't confident in my abilities. It's hard to play knowing that."
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"Tonight was one of those nights where it was hard to get into the game knowing every mistake I made would be magnified," Felton said. "It's to the point where the only person I could turn to was my mom."
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As noted recently, Felton has actually enjoyed an unbelievably long leash from Blazers coach Nate McMillan given the depths of his struggles. For example, at times this season there has not been a single player in the entire NBA who plays more minutes than Felton does while producing a lower PER. Felton is currently ranked as the No. 52 point guard in the league for PER.

As noted Thursday night, Felton also leads the NBA in shot attempts from 26 feet and out without a single make (17).

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Frig off Felton.

I was pissed when the blazers got you anyways. At least we will get a nice draft pick because of you…

"Im ready for a fight..." -Joel Przybilla

by KillaPrzydollaBILLA on Feb 17, 2012 3:06 AM PST reply actions  

Know of any good options out there?

"Luke is our go-to Chalupa man," Matthews said. "Designated."

by Vorlauf on Feb 17, 2012 7:42 AM PST up reply actions  

I've got some beads here...

I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

by haildablazer on Feb 17, 2012 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

no we cannot trade him

He has destroyed any value he might have had. But we can send him home to mommy, before he harms the team further.

Win the day!
Coffee is for Closers!
Always Be Closing!

by Blzr fan on Feb 17, 2012 11:48 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Reading this makes me sick. The audacity to blame your poor performance on what others think of you. Does he know how to earn trust? How about playing some good basketball?Shows what type of man he is. Blaming others for his mistakes. Take responsibility man.

by Theory2002 on Feb 17, 2012 3:07 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Nate likes to throw his players under the bus...

so I have no problem with Felton doing that to Nate. That’s the sorry state that this team is in right now….

by kuhnsmith on Feb 17, 2012 7:09 AM PST up reply actions   3 recs

im not arguing he hasn't...

Just saying as the starting PG you know you don’t have the coaches trust when this happens.

by Kazper on Feb 17, 2012 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Well, he got a lot of closing minutes earlier in the season

When he didn’t produce, they dried up. And when he came in last night, he had a turnover and the Clippers took the lead. That’s the stuff that keeps you from getting those minutes.

At some point the situation crosses the line from “trust” to “responsibility”.

Now that being said, I’m not entirely convinced Ray’s rant was about just fourth quarter minutes. I presume there is a bigger dynamic going on that we don’t see.

by Timmay! on Feb 17, 2012 10:02 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I posted below, but I think he is manuevering for next year

Only way to get a decent contract next year at this point is to 1. put enough doubt that it was nates fault that a team will give im a chance based on his new york play. or 2. get traded and play welll for whatever team you go to.

by Kazper on Feb 17, 2012 10:05 AM PST up reply actions  

You have a point there. ;-)

In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice they're not.

by conspirator5 on Feb 17, 2012 10:13 AM PST up reply actions  

I've got the cure for him

Stop dribbling off your foot!

Problem solved, can we get that pizza party now, Nate?

I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

by haildablazer on Feb 17, 2012 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Nate at the pizza party::::

“felton your only allowed to have the salad bar”

by Kazper on Feb 17, 2012 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

It has been showed time and time again

The opponents don’t respect him or put a man on him at all in closing minutes. that puts too much strain on LaMarcus.

hg

by BBK on Feb 17, 2012 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

that's morbid

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 17, 2012 9:44 AM PST up reply actions  

I really feel bad for him

I know, deep inside, he wants to do all he can to help and because it’s not clicking, for whatever reason, he gets critiqued for something he feels is out of his control.

I mean, it’s not like he’s a corrupt CEO or is a player who cheats on his wife hundreds of times. He just wants to help this team.

At the same time, I feel he needs to open up and be more constructive when listening to criticism. People are always going to criticize you no matter how good you get. It’s about how you react to it that makes the difference.

Which brings me to Batman:

“it’s not who you are underneath but what you do that defines you”.

by FreewheelinDylan on Feb 17, 2012 3:12 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

"or is a player who cheats on his wife hundreds of times."

Would you say no if a prime Magic walked through that door?

Y’know, you guys can call me cold, uncaring, and callous, but I’m cool with it if a NBA player is the master of infidelity off the court, so long as he masters the sport on the court.

Adultery, schmaltry.

As far as I’m concerned, a pro athlete’s extracurricular activities — even if it includes affairs, cheating, flings, or what have you — is their own personal business. When those guys are off the clock, they can go do it to it — wherever, however, and with whomever — for all I care.

by AK1984 on Feb 17, 2012 3:31 AM PST up reply actions  

I would agree entirely if they did it in complete privacy

And then I wouldn’t care, except they are more or less role models.

hg

by BBK on Feb 17, 2012 3:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Uhhh...

…..I think you just totally misunderstood what I just wrote. Way to change what I just said.

I wasn’t criticizing his personal life. He can do all he wants for all I care. But the fact that he gets negative criticism from people who wish him ill will for something like trying to help this team isn’t the same as wish ill will against someone who actually did something “bad”.

I just feel bad that the guy is receiving such negativity, even if it’s well deserved.

And yeah, who wouldn’t take Magic or Kobe over Felton?

by FreewheelinDylan on Feb 17, 2012 3:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Nah, I read your whole comment.

I just went off on a side tangent is all.

Anyhow, I agree that people shouldn’t take Raymond Felton’s poor play personally or wish any ill-will on the guy. Regardless of how frustrating his gruesome job performance has been to watch, there’s no need for hostility.

by AK1984 on Feb 17, 2012 3:55 AM PST up reply actions  

It's not personal, it's business

Felton has been given more than enough rope to hang himself. I am glad he has vented in public. Thank you for expressing yourself Mr Felton.

This player has caused more damage to our team than he is worth. He has nullified any value he might have had. Not only is he a bad player, but now we know he is a crybaby who blames others for his own failures.

Someone in charge, please send his sorry arse out of here!

Win the day!
Coffee is for Closers!
Always Be Closing!

by Blzr fan on Feb 17, 2012 6:50 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I don't feel bad for him... now.

I had a lot of sympathy for him before. I defended him against the “cupcake” faction pretty regularly.

Not now. He officially missed his left turn at Albuquerque with that comment and has burrowed right into the Abominable Snowman of Rip City public opinion.

Hey Ray Ray, guess what? We were already mad at Nate for trusting you too much. Whoops!

In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice they're not.

by conspirator5 on Feb 17, 2012 9:45 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Unless a person makes zero, someone else will always say they're overpaid

“You make 50 thousand dollars to do THAT? How bad can you REALLY feel?”

He’s still human, and has pride. He’s not trying to steal dollars from Paul while stinking up the court.

(I’m really not a big fan of bringing up salaries in this way)

by Timmay! on Feb 17, 2012 10:16 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

(I’m really not a big fan of bringing up salaries in this way)

Agreed. Totally irrelevant to the discussion.

"Luke is our go-to Chalupa man," Matthews said. "Designated."

by Vorlauf on Feb 17, 2012 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Side Note: Batman was wrong

My actions do not define me. My identity defines me and influences my actions.

By way of example: stealing does not make me a thief. However, if I am a thief, I will steal.

Probably splitting hairs but it’s an important distinction, IMO.

by Storyteller on Feb 17, 2012 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't believe this is true

If one hasn’t stolen anything, how is he or she a thief? You must steal to become a thief.

I know where I come from, and when you always have in mind where you come from the rest will be easy. I think the rest will be easy.

-- M. Rivera

by GMan83201 on Feb 17, 2012 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

The problem might be with his poor performance here

He might have difficulty in finding a new job.

hg

by BBK on Feb 17, 2012 8:39 AM PST up reply actions  

no, he just needs a coach who trusts him.

Someone who has paid NO attention to what he’s done this season so far…

by Natsthecat on Feb 17, 2012 10:02 AM PST up reply actions  

They liked him in NY

can we trade him for Linsanity? I know he is currently over hyped, but he couldn’t do any worse then felton has done.

by AR-15 on Feb 17, 2012 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

no way they give up Jeremy Lin for Felton

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 17, 2012 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Lol

Is this a serious comment? Lin could be a borderline AS on a cheap contract. Felton is…. barely a legitimate NBA backup.

Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB

by zeusmith on Feb 17, 2012 2:06 PM PST up reply actions  

if Jeremy Lin makes the All-Star game this season

LaMarcus Aldridge should be allowed to legally burn down the NBA headquarters.

I JUST WANT MY BASKETBALL BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Sean in Vancouver on Feb 17, 2012 8:21 PM PST up reply actions  

He may want out of Portland now

But he didn’t when he was traded here.

Also, it’s a contract year for poor RayRay. He’s going to lose millions.

"Coach said to always be careful around Greg, because Greg costs a lot and even the slightest amount of basketball can damage him." -- The Onion

by RedUniInLA on Feb 17, 2012 9:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Now to see what ANYONE would give us for him.

Can’t believe how bad he is. Is this karma for the smack he was talking at the start of the season? Remember him talking smack to Westbrook?

My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.

by OCBlazerFan1 on Feb 17, 2012 7:00 AM PST up reply actions  

The biggest hope would be a team out of the play off hunt

That would take his contract over for a good PG for the worth of a expiring contract. But then again if we keep him it would be us getting rid of an expiring contract to go after somebody in Free agency.

hg

by BBK on Feb 17, 2012 9:38 AM PST up reply actions  

That's the real issue here, I think

Not only is he letting the team down, but he is literally losing millions of dollars with his horrid play. That’ll put pressure on anyone.

by TheThinWhiteDuke on Feb 17, 2012 8:26 AM PST up reply actions  

He'll be lucky to get the vets minimum or mid-level

But the way things work out, he’ll probably end up as Mario Chalmers backup for the Heat and win a championship.

by superfly05 on Feb 17, 2012 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Is Raymond suffering from delusions of Grander?

To the point that he cannot see how bad he is performing.
I thought he may be traded at trade deadline, but now maybe before.

hg

by BBK on Feb 17, 2012 3:34 AM PST reply actions  

Awesome

A rec for you

I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

by haildablazer on Feb 17, 2012 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Hey Felton, you deserve the lack of trust.

Nate gave you reigns to start the season and YOU played poorly. YOU started the season out of shape. YOU dribbled the ball off your own feet late in the fourth quarter. YOU missed big shots that could have won games.

Felton sounds like a drug addict who complains about his parents not trusting him. You freaking pawned your mother’s jewelry to buy dope! Of course they don’t trust you! You aren’t trustworthy!

To spite all the evidence to the contrary I still have believe Felton can find his niche. He can be lightning quick and he finds creative ways to get the ball to his teammates in traffic. He is good at timing an offensive player’s dribble and jabbing his arm out to pick off a steal. He won a national championship in college.

I hope when he comes back after the all-star break his body and mind will have had time to recover from the grueling lockout schedule and he will be able to utilize his now in shape body to do the things he is capable of doing. I really think that when he regains a few inches on his vertical leap he will play a lot better. A guy with his touch around the rim should benefit greatly from getting a few inches closer. His jumper should stop falling short if he is able to jump just a little bit higher. He should be able to handle the ball better when he doesn’t have all that lactic acid built up in his throat from being out of breath.

by Oden Mad, Oden Smash! on Feb 17, 2012 3:49 AM PST via mobile reply actions   4 recs

I have heard many times about confidence as a very important part of what players need to have a good mindset to not give him some credit.

Both players doing bad and doing well talk frequently about that, not only those who need to make excuses. These talks include self confidence, coaches´ confidence and teammates´ confidence. The second one is problematic, because can create problems between the player and the coach, and also within the organization, so you don´t see that happening so frequently, but it happens too. McMillan has been in this kind of conversation in too many ocassions for my liking though.

by amlmart1 on Feb 17, 2012 4:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Lol

Even the drug addict has a better case than Felton.

by Batumshakalaka on Feb 17, 2012 7:17 AM PST up reply actions  

I feel for Felton...

He’s struggling and he knows it. But what do you do? Opportunity can be given, and I think Nate has given Felton plenty of opportunity. Trust? if lost, has to be earned. Felton continues to have opportunity but simply without prejudice, isn’t playing well enough to earn anymore trust.

Maybe Felton feels McMillan doesn’t trust him, but quite frankly I’m surprised Feltons minutes haven’t been cut more severely than they have.

I’m not sure how you fix this, or if you can fix it. I honestly believe Felton is a better player than we have seen but it seems the Felton experiment has simply failed. At this point? I’m not sure trust can be restored. And honestly the way Felton has played? I’m not sure trust is deserved.

"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"

by Krang on Feb 17, 2012 4:48 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Felton's obviously not the first player that Nate's given the stink eye to...

I’m not excusing Felton’s lousy play at all. But, Nic, for example, can no doubt relate to the coach not having confidence in him. In fact, if Nate wasn’t nearing the time when he will be canned, I’m not so sure he would be starting him. Some players handle things like this better than others. Apparently, Felton’s personality is such that he can’t handle the criticism he’s getting. Nic never got that level of criticism, for sure not from the fans. All he had to contend with was Nate’s lack of faith in him…

by kuhnsmith on Feb 17, 2012 7:16 AM PST up reply actions  

And Nic has sucked it up and turned into a helluva player.

You can put as much energy as possible into making this Nate’s fault, but the truth is that Felton couldn’t hang on in Denver either. They were chuckling under their breath to get Dre back.

In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice they're not.

by conspirator5 on Feb 17, 2012 9:48 AM PST up reply actions   4 recs

regardless, Nic takes the criticism and responds

even though he’s less deserving of the criticism than Felton

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 17, 2012 10:45 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Well, the enemy trust him

They leave him wide open play after play knowing he will deliver a miss and they can run out on him. That is very sad, but very true. Sometime I feel he is planted here to sabotage our team.

hg

by BBK on Feb 17, 2012 9:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Comments like that frustrate me so much.

Especially from pro athletes. Being a professional of any kind at any level means dealing with criticism and responding to the challenge. Felton is allowed to feel whatever he wants, but a true professional does not say a word about it to anyone that will utilize it against him. Granted, we are dealing with NBA players whose profession is to be great at a game, but that can only cut so much slack.

When McMillan gives you the leash he has, you do not dare criticize him like that. It’s not his fault you’re shooting 36% from the field and 20% from three. It’s not his fault that you’re averaging 4.5 PPG, 0.4 assists and 1.1 RPG fewer than your career averages. Own up to your terrible play, Felton!

My favorite sports teams are better than yours...in my imagination.

by Blazer_Fan_Nick on Feb 17, 2012 4:59 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

The thought of taking back Jarrett Jack.

Dang, has it really gotten this bad?

I saw 750 AM-The Game’s facebook page had a trade machine offer up of Nash and Gortat for Camby and Felton. The contracts worked. Now THAT is a nice deal.

My favorite sports teams are better than yours...in my imagination.

by Blazer_Fan_Nick on Feb 17, 2012 5:26 AM PST up reply actions  

he's better

than he was as a blazer

M, period. Fresh, comma.

by manzell on Feb 17, 2012 6:31 AM PST up reply actions  

contracts work

but is insane:

let’s trade our best, most marketable player on an expiring contract to a team he doesn’t want to play for; AND our second best player, who’s on a very reasonably priced contact for an two guys on expiring contracts… for the grand total of $13 million over the next 2 years minus whatever we pay his replacement?

M, period. Fresh, comma.

by manzell on Feb 17, 2012 6:34 AM PST up reply actions  

No one is going to trade for Felton for basketball purposes

His on court value is 0 right now (and last night was actually negative).

He’s extremely lucky Nate, for whatever reason, likes him. A coach with long term vision and management support, like Pop, would have stopped playing him long ago and given the young guys a chance to become NBA players.

by aces_dad on Feb 17, 2012 9:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I love the words "the contracts worked".

Of course, the talent is completely skewed our direction and they would be left with nothing this summer when they could have held onto a very solid big man but…

how could they refuse?!?!

Come on, let's all hug it out.

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Feb 17, 2012 9:29 AM PST up reply actions  

well, Sarver is notoriously and infamously cheap...

he might look at not having to pay anyone as a good thing, cuz he obviously doesn’t care enough about his team to spend that cash.

Wherever you may be; good night, eeeeeeverybody!

by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Feb 17, 2012 10:19 AM PST up reply actions  

750 the game

hurts their own credibility by posting completely unrealistic trade scenarios like that

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 17, 2012 9:38 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm a 1080 guy myself

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 17, 2012 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Another

Pg another problem with coach Nate. Anyone remember miller? Felton hasn’t done this before, Nate has. Nate has some issues when it comes to pg. he can’t coach them.

by Cabbol on Feb 17, 2012 5:12 AM PST reply actions   3 recs

You can't blame Nate for Felton's stats.

Miller performed, at least. Felton has played himself into a hole. There is no excuse for being perhaps the worst starting PG in the NBA right now.

My favorite sports teams are better than yours...in my imagination.

by Blazer_Fan_Nick on Feb 17, 2012 5:23 AM PST up reply actions  

A

Coach gets the best out of a player. Ny did. Felton played better in Denver even. What is the difference? Nate. Nate fought with miller, but willer just ignored him, played his game and you saw the difference. Nate is now bashing nic for being French. Can we finally catch on, our coach has some control and bias issues. It’s messing up players.

by Cabbol on Feb 17, 2012 5:37 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

i would have agreed with you

but then i realized nate gave felton full freedom and ample opportunity to work out his problems on the floor. he didn’t start pulling him and micromanaging him until only recently (and even that was warranted).

PHILLY!

by CleBlazer on Feb 17, 2012 6:54 AM PST up reply actions   3 recs

You

know sometimes humans just need a bit of human connection. I have no doubt Phil Jackson would have found a way to turn felton around. The fact is the guy has performed in the past. Hes not this bad, he just has a coach who doesnt know how to connect with a player and get the best out of them. Maybe coach Nate is to busy working on his next french jokes trying to debase our second best player.

by Cabbol on Feb 17, 2012 7:04 AM PST up reply actions  

another good point

When I was younger I thought Phil Jackson was such a crock lucking into these championship teams but as I’ve been in the working world I understand now how hard it is to lead/manage a team with all the different personalities and motivations out there.

Different people need to be approached differently to most effectively communicate, motivate, and connect with them. Nate is not nicknamed the “sarge” for nothing. Though Nate has gotten great results considering the amount of injuries to this team there has been many news stories about communication problems in the past. Not too long ago there was a blurp on blzEdge on LA having communication problems with Nate before.

by odiek on Feb 17, 2012 8:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Don't knock the Zen Master!

Ball don’t lie. And neither do rings.

"Luke is our go-to Chalupa man," Matthews said. "Designated."

by Vorlauf on Feb 17, 2012 8:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Phil Jackson was a master at managing his team.

He had to deal with HUGE egos and those who are very eccentric. He made them all play TEAM ball in order to win Championships.

Nate seems to be on the opposite end of that continuum.

by Natsthecat on Feb 17, 2012 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Willer
but willer just ignored him

I’d definitely trade Felton right now for Willer. Definitely.

Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB

by zeusmith on Feb 17, 2012 7:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

Willer was a player :) Point still is valid. Something is not right with Nate.

by Cabbol on Feb 17, 2012 7:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Right on - good point Cabbol

From reading stories about Miller he is pretty self-confident and the type to do what he thinks is right – hence clashing with Nate, ignoring him and doing what he usually does, and eventually winning minutes (and fans/teammates) over with his play. We can say he succeeded in the PG role DESPITE of Nate

Felton seems like a totally different personality. Reading stories about him being hard on himself and asking teammates to cuss him out leads me to believe he is more results oriented and needs that external validation to his basketball value.

Based on the situational leadership styles “coaching” is highly directive and highly supportive behavior. The coach is directing through implementing system/philosophy, rotations, practice, calling plays, and supportive is reassuring players, giving constructive feedback, giving them confidence.

Somehow I don’t see McMillan as the highly supportive type…. sure he might give a seemingly long leash to Felton but who knows what kind of interaction they have behind the scenes. Maybe McMillan is highly critical of all of Felton’s mistakes yet continues to throw him out there for long minutes without any coaching feedback or adjustments to help him succeed. Perhaps possible harsh criticism has crippled Felton’s mind already. It’s not the first time we’ve heard about players having communication issues with McMillan

by odiek on Feb 17, 2012 8:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Fetlon's mom

I randomly met a guy who was Ray Felton’s cousin and big brother figure growing up. He’s a lawyer in NYC and I think the only member of Felton’s family in NY.

Anyways, we got to talking, and he said “Thing is, he’s a mommas boy” and that he didn’t want to play in Portland since the moment he got traded, or Denver either. His cousin counseled him, saying that to be a “pro”, he’s got to be able to play away from home [Felton’s from SC] – he’s proved he can win in the Carolinas, and can be a good player on the east coast – and now he has to prove if he can be an effective player a long way from home to get the next big contract that will set him (and his fam) up for life.

M, period. Fresh, comma.

by manzell on Feb 17, 2012 5:13 AM PST reply actions  

Well...

That big contract is not coming.

by ORDucktape on Feb 17, 2012 7:15 AM PST up reply actions  

he's bad because he's fat

and he’s fat because he eats

and he eats because he’s depressed

and he’s depressed because he’s bad

and he’s bad because he’s fat

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 17, 2012 11:39 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

tell me about it

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 17, 2012 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Felton has doomed himself with these irresponsible comments.

How can we best salvage this crapola? Bench him, play Nolan and Elliot, and welcome the lottery pick that results? Trade him for a new free throw guy? Waive him? This is worse than I had imagined possible. Terrible play, and now, locker room poison.

by williamswonder on Feb 17, 2012 5:15 AM PST reply actions  

I've been advocating support and patience for Felton all along.

Not anymore.

"Tom Lawson McCall, Governor or Oregon, invites you to visit . . . Washington, Idaho, Nevada, or Afghanistan." --Pair of bumper stickers on our baby blue 1966 Plymouth Fury III when I was growing up in Portland, BC (Before Championship).

by VTDuck on Feb 17, 2012 5:46 AM PST reply actions  

Blazers need to summon their inner George Costanza

Let’s be honest, selecting PGs (and centers) isn’t are thing. But doing the opposite could right all those wrongs. Maybe we end up with the next ivy league sensation?

by Nucclear on Feb 17, 2012 5:49 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

I'm always in favor of channelling our collective Costanza.

Last night I caught a couple minutes of the episode where he had to move back in with his folks and then, by chance, was “found” as a hand model. So he starts wearing oven mitts around to protect his hands. Oh George. Too funny.

Wherever you may be; good night, eeeeeeverybody!

by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Feb 17, 2012 7:41 AM PST up reply actions  

are you kidding me!!

Feltons stat line- 24 min. 0-7 FG 0-1 3’s, 2 REB, 2AST, 1 STL, 5TO!!! This is awful!!! Even having Nate bring down his minutes, its still bad. and what terrible turnover at the end of the game AGAIN!! and how you want to blame the coach because of your play. blazers will not like this and I dont like it! I rather have Nolan Smith play those minutes!!! And if we lose because Smith was in the game, so be it! P.S. I am a Duke fan :)

by asimms21 on Feb 17, 2012 6:01 AM PST reply actions  

Nobody has confidence in him

Because he’s given no reason to be confident in him.

He’s seen enough floor time to work out the butterflies. I say he rides the bench until he’s traded. I also say this season is a wash now, play some young guys, see what you have, see who wants to take a bad point guard off our hands.

I know, maybe we can trade Felton’s mom for some cupcakes?

I don't give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way.
Mark Twain

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by Tyler Durrden on Feb 17, 2012 6:55 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Maybe the Bobcats will take him back.

He will make sure they keep that losing record in tact.

My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.

by OCBlazerFan1 on Feb 17, 2012 7:02 AM PST reply actions  

I'm working on teaching my 7 year old to take responsibility for his own actions.

Don’t blame your little brother or your coach when something doesn’t go right – look at what you can do to make it better.

Apparently Felton’s parents didn’t worry about this.

by Free Bayless on Feb 17, 2012 7:11 AM PST reply actions  

I was giving Felton a chance up until now

But he needs to go. Poor play is one thing, but when he is trying to throw blame around the team, that attitude is like poison.

by BassBall on Feb 17, 2012 7:17 AM PST reply actions  

That's one thing that Nate CAN do!

He’s great at that, in fact. Far above average…

by kuhnsmith on Feb 17, 2012 7:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Felton has forced Nate's hand

No way can Nate let Felton play after Felton’s behavior. Playing poorly should have been enough to merit being benched. But now this?

If Nate allows Felton to play, Nate doesn’t deserve to coach anywhere.

Win the day!
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Always Be Closing!

by Blzr fan on Feb 17, 2012 7:53 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

To his Mom

Stop patronizing him. His performance speaks for itself. This is not all on Nate…simply impossible.

by ORDucktape on Feb 17, 2012 7:19 AM PST reply actions  

Maybe we could send him to the Knicks...

for that Lin kid no ones heard of? Who knows, maybe he can play. Do you think NY would do that, or would that be… wait for it… Lin-sane?

Seriously, this is pretty weak sauce of Felton. He’s been total garbage on the court, there is no other way to look at it. No stat counters this point. To then blame someone else? REALLY?!? I could totally buy into this with some of the young guys who get yanked around, maybe even Batum a few weeks ago. But Felton? Psh.

Somebody get this guy a copy of this book fast.

Wherever you may be; good night, eeeeeeverybody!

by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Feb 17, 2012 7:38 AM PST reply actions  

Felton's brutal

There no excuses that can be made now that half the season is gone. It’s not like he’s improved any as the season progresses. He’s just a straight-up HORRIBLE shooter. I bet if I were to graph his shooting % on shots outside of 16 feet, he would be around 24-28%. That’s simply unacceptable. He’s never been a good outside shooter but regression in his prime years is deeply troubling.

There’s no way I would ever sign Felton to a long term contract with the horrible stretches, weight issues, and piss-poor shot. The only way I would even consider taking Felton back is strictly at near league minimum in a clearly defined backup role. Even then I would prefer developing a young PG over this scenario.

Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB

by zeusmith on Feb 17, 2012 7:38 AM PST reply actions  

haha, ouch

this thread is getting awesome… so much cupcake bashing :)

by hoodieNation on Feb 17, 2012 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

I'll take that bet!

According to hoopdata, he’s averaging 34.0% on shots from 16-23 feet (last night not included) and 20.6% on threes.
2.7 attempts from 16-23 per game, 3.4 attempts on threes per game, so the percentage of shots outside of 16 feet he’s making is 26.2%.
Darn it. Nevermind, I won’t take that bet.

by Nuuri on Feb 17, 2012 12:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Haha I nailed it

It knew it was bad, and it is.

Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB

by zeusmith on Feb 17, 2012 12:09 PM PST up reply actions  

"Tonight was one of those nights where it was hard to get into the game knowing every mistake I made would be magnified"

Your problem can be solved, Mr Felton. Ride the pine until you get your head in order.

Better yet, go home to mommy and tell her how unfair the world is to her little baby.

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by Blzr fan on Feb 17, 2012 7:50 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

This is what we call, "taking the low road."

Whenver faced with adversity, there’s two fundamental approaches. You either take the high road, or the low road. Felton suggesting his poor performance is a result of pressure being placed on him, or the lack of trust from a coach only further demonstrates his own insecurities. Not only that, it’s just not true.

Does Felton really have a significantly larger amount of pressure placed on him than any number of other NBA point guards? Last I checked, no one is asking nor expecting him to score 20 and drop 10 dimes a game. His list of duties is basically this: Limit turnovers, be selective in shot selection, feed the ball to Aldridge, don’t let the other team’s point guard go off on you. Not exactly asking for the world.

Also, he mentions a lack of trust. Really? I know it’s cliche, but trust is earned. You think New York’s coaching staff trusted Lin implicitly? Nope, but he sure has earned their trust now. Felton was given trust on a silver platter, recording high average minutes despite a disproportionately low PER. His lack of playing time now (particularly late in games), isn’t so much a lack of trust as it is good ol’ fashioned behavior modification via reinforcement.

by JDX on Feb 17, 2012 8:08 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

I don't think it's hit the bottom yet.

Maybe the all star break will breathe some fresh life into them? Is that too much to hope?

"Luke is our go-to Chalupa man," Matthews said. "Designated."

by Vorlauf on Feb 17, 2012 8:10 AM PST up reply actions  

I hope so. Exhaustion is any team's worst enemy.

I’m also definitely wondering if we have yet another fractured relationship between our coach and PG. Felton, Andre, and to a lesser extent, Sergio and Bayless all had issues. The only PG’s who seemed to have a good relationship with Nate were Blake and Jack.

by Timmay! on Feb 17, 2012 8:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Could be the relationship was ok to start

but now cracking under pressure. Poor play by Felton. Him pressuring himself. Nate pressuring him. The stress feeding into more poor play.

"Luke is our go-to Chalupa man," Matthews said. "Designated."

by Vorlauf on Feb 17, 2012 8:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Bernie Bickerstaff drafted Felton when Bickerstaff was the GM & Head Coach

(he had both jobs) in Charlotte.
Nate probably listened to his mentor, Bernie…at FIRST….
Wallace has played with Felton…wonder what HE thinks of Felton’s play..whether it was so much better in Charlotte or not…

by Natsthecat on Feb 17, 2012 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

they really need to get 'current' on major trades

‘Rain Man’ Kemp ‘used to be’ great.
A simple weigh in would be a good first step:
Soooo, how much you weigh lately ? (Yes that does matter, and says something about discipline and focus, as well as conditioning)

by Berkeley on Feb 17, 2012 12:09 PM PST up reply actions  

At least they're not getting in trouble with the law!

That would be the proverbial straw. Well… not quite. They’re still over .500.

by jayzien on Feb 17, 2012 8:13 AM PST up reply actions  

McMillan has been chipping away at the seams, unfortunately

Hastening the collapse. Mac hasn’t had a single good thing to say about Batum without combining it with a negative – but usually emphasizes the negative while ignoring the positives.

Batum’s net impact has unequivocally been a positive – but plays a style that doesn’t jive with his coach.

For all of Felton’s play, however – we haven’t heard nearly the same level of public criticism from McMillan. Think how Felton might be feeling if he were getting the Batum treatment?

I fear the players sense McMillan’s double standards and personal animosity toward certain players – and he is losing his credibility from within faster than he is losing it from without.

I can tolerate a lot of things from a coach, so long as his players believe in him. This year, player faith in their coach seems to be the solvent dissolving the glue.

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Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Feb 17, 2012 9:23 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

If Nic was from Seattle

Perhaps Nate would like him. IT seems like an insane double standard. Felton is still averaging 5more min a game this season than Nic. What is he looking for, the coaches to tell him it’s okay to harm the team? A guarantee he’ll get 30+ minutes regardless of the quality (or lack there-of) of his play?

Felton should imagine the treatment he’d get if he came from Europe and played a ‘finesse’ game instead of those patented ‘American’ finishes at the rim he’s so good at.

by aces_dad on Feb 17, 2012 9:44 AM PST up reply actions  

not an excuse for Nate

but Felton isn’t battling Gerald and Lamarcus for minutes.

I’d like to think that some of it comes from Nate holding Nic to a higher standard, but there does seem to be a clear dislike for Nic’s style of play coming through.

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 17, 2012 9:45 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Sure, I meant more as a comparision of 'trust'

IE, Felton’s gotten more than enough trust shown his way this season. The public critisim of Nic’s finishing is crazy, though, given that Felton (and the other guards to a lesser extent) could only dream of finishing above the rim like Nic has lately.

by aces_dad on Feb 17, 2012 9:56 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah

Nic’s been great this year but seems to have received more heat from Nate than our horrendous guard play

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 17, 2012 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Playing with Felton after Andre has to be like

dragging an anchor around on the court – a ‘handicap’. Working hard to win a close game just to see a dysfunctional PG fumble it away has to be discouraging.
The likelihood that Nate, who had little (if any) affection for Andre – who I think the players loved playing with, approved that destructive trade can not help players confidence in Nate.
Players doing their best to fight the fatugue this marathon condensed schedule must appreciate hearing their ‘heart’ and ‘pride’ challenged by the coach who can’t risk using more of his bench, though he found plenty of time for Felton.

by Berkeley on Feb 17, 2012 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Seriously. Time to shut up and hit your shots.

it’s hard to perform the way you know how when you know they don’t have confidence in you

“They” includes the fans at this point Ray.

"Coach said to always be careful around Greg, because Greg costs a lot and even the slightest amount of basketball can damage him." -- The Onion

by RedUniInLA on Feb 17, 2012 9:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Obviously he's hitting on something.

McMillain grinds on players to fit his way and his system. The only time he has let the Blazer’s play was in the beggining of the season when they were incorporating a shoot early or shoot late in the clock philosophy. After a couple games of to many turnovers he axed that philosophy. Now what you here is it’s because the player’s don’t execute execute execute execute. It’s the same as hearing, ‘if the players ran exactly what I call there wouldn’t be a problem.’ Repeat that a few thousand times.
Down the stretch last night the only two players that even wanted to touch the ball were Crawford and Matthews. Ad to that the 4 roster spots being taken up by young draft picks, which McMillain has already invalidated as NBA players before they hit the court.
At some point you have to say, yeah this coach is not getting the best out of his players.
It’s ugly all the way around.

by gunballs on Feb 17, 2012 8:14 AM PST reply actions  

Nates

System? Randomly pulling the hot hand. Switch defensive on teams we have more talent than? Nates “system” has proven nothing. He can’t get out of the first round. Nate IS the problem. Felton is salvageable, he is a good pg as his history show, he is just not a good pg under Nate. He needs to blow up on him as miller did.

by Cabbol on Feb 17, 2012 8:22 AM PST up reply actions  

This

I wish we could inject Miller’s personality into Felton and have Felton blowup on Nate and play with a sense of inner confidence. Miller was a proven PG in the league when he came to the blazers and still Nate didn’t trust, or like Miller leading to reduced playing time and low performance early on.

Difference is Miller was mentally tough but Felton seems mentally soft (momma’s boy comments above) and has crumpled under the pressure. Felton might still be shooting a lot he is coming into the game doubting himself and expecting failure – which results in him actually failing. Just throwing him out there again telling him to just play better or yelling at him for his mistakes won’t fix it, there has to be some adjustments to facilitate even small success, or coaching intervention to work on specific parts of his game to start building up his confidence. Sadly, McMillan is not this kind of soft, people-skills type of coach so I foresee Felton driven mentally to the ground.

by odiek on Feb 17, 2012 8:45 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

putting all the blame on Nate and expecting our problems to be solved as a result of him being gone doesn't seem right to me

you are literally giving Felton a free pass for some of the worst PG play this team has seen in decades, and that’s saying a ton.

What’s Nate supposed to do? Felton’s had plenty of opportunity. He’s taken plenty of shots at his own discretion. He’s made plenty of drives resulting in nothing at his own discretion.

Our backup PG is a SG and our other backup PG is a rookie. I’m ready for Nolan, but giving Felton a pass and placing it all on Nate? Come on now, Felton’s the player…he’s auditioning for his next contract. This is squarely on him.

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 17, 2012 9:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah this isn't a Nate problem.

Ok, I take it back. This isn’t JUST a Nate problem. Nate isn’t blameless here, but Felton needs to take some responsibility and work through this.

by Timmay! on Feb 17, 2012 9:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Nate is definitely not blameless

but a chain is only as strong as its weakest link, and having PG be our weak link is really dragging the whole team down.

We know we’re better than our record shows, the stats bear that out. But can you imagine what a guy like Nash would do for this team? How good he would make Wes and Nic and Gerald and LMA look? How much better off we’d be in end of game situations?

It’s like we’re trying to run a race with a broken foot right now. Nate’s not blameless, but I certainly don’t think that getting rid of Nate solves our problems.

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 17, 2012 9:22 AM PST up reply actions  

oh, and Ray needs to shut up

he’d be better off getting harped on for not talking to the media than for airing this dirty laundry. These are the kind of comments you see when relationships are on an unrepairable downward spiral. It’s airing dirty laundry.

I would love to see Nash here without losing Nic, but short of that I would like to see Nolan given a real opportunity with some of Ray’s minutes. Everytime we lose, whether it’s this game, OKC, whoever…I don’t come away thinking “man, we suck”…I come away thinking “man, I would really like to see Nash with this team. We’d be so much better.”

Of course you don’t want to destroy your long term outlook by doing so, but if you can get him without doing so…

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 17, 2012 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

You'd like to at least have hope

Trying to squeeze wins from Felton/Crawford is just short sided IMO. Why not try the young PG’s? Perhaps there is something there for the future but Nate’s unwilling to find out.

by aces_dad on Feb 17, 2012 9:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Presumably Nate is still under an expectation to win

Now before last night, I can appreciate his attempts to win. Now I’m not sure playing Felton is a good way to win games. He was just picking up his game a week ago, but what a slide since then.

by Timmay! on Feb 17, 2012 9:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Perhaps EWill helps win, say, game 60

By getting a chance in game 30.

I’m not holding my breath that Felton helps win game 60. I don’t see why Nate is either.

by aces_dad on Feb 17, 2012 9:58 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm not as high on Elliot as a lot of people are

But I’d be open to seeing the rooks get some playing time if Ray continues this pace for a little while longer. I just don’t see how things could get worse.

by Timmay! on Feb 17, 2012 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Then try Nolan if that's more to your liking.

If one of the young PG’s can emerge as a reliable, at least back up PG while on a rookie contract, discovering that has value to an organization. More of the same with Felton, I don’t see the benefit.

by aces_dad on Feb 17, 2012 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed.

I also think it hurts team morale, as well, by not giving someone else a chance (especially those who are by all accounts working hard in practice).

by aces_dad on Feb 17, 2012 10:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Ewill vs. Nolan

On paper, Nolan is the better guy to have on the floor. He’s got more experience at the 1, he’s got more experience total, he was in a great program. He’s got the pedigree, etc. Elliot’s only counter argument there is massive hops.

On the defensive end, they both have proven to go after it. They’re also both rookies so I don’t expect much more than focus and effort and they’ve demonstrated both.

Despite that, neither can be credited with any obviously smart passes that make you think “hey, that guy really IS a PG.” OTOH, Elliot has distinguished himself with a few really pretty drives as well as showing some hustle with trying to use his hops to block and rebound.

My eyeballs are telling me right now that Ewill is better equipped for NBA minutes than Nolan is. Which kinda makes sense. We’ve seen over and over that athleticism can carry you pretty far in this league. So Nolan may be the tortoise that winds the race in the long run, but for now I’ll take more floor time for the hare.

In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice they're not.

by conspirator5 on Feb 17, 2012 10:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Nolan is definitely the PG of the two

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 17, 2012 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

agreed - Felton has responsibility too

I did not say that Felton has no blame. He IS the one playing out there and ultimately he is to blame for his poor play. Do I think the reason is that he is fat and sucks and the solution is to yell at him to “stop dribbling off your foot and play better”? no. I think the problem is some kind of mental/confidence/ communication / coaching relationship problem.

For all I wrote about Nate’s communication faults Felton has just as much responsibility to not be in is own head and whining and not be as sensitive to what Nate/people play. As a ball-player you need a certain amount of “thick skin” and “irrational confidence” to go out there after a bad game and BELIEVE that you can perform well. Felton is going out there with thick skin and continuing to chuck up shots and push ill-advised drives but I doubt he has the inner confidence to actually believe he can finish or make the play.

it is shared responsibility and I was expanding on the Nate aspect of it as the thread seemed to be focus on only Felton.

Without access to practice and the sidelines in the end it is all speculation on what really is going on.

by odiek on Feb 17, 2012 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

The

50 year old Coach has been coaching for years, I expect more from him then some 26 year old. Just like exploiting a match up, it takes Nate far to long to communicate. It takes injuries to get talent playing time, it takes blow ups to get him talking.

by Cabbol on Feb 17, 2012 12:09 PM PST up reply actions  

that's all true

but this is still on Felton. He came in as the starting PG in a contract year and has been given every opportunity to take advantage of that situation.

He’s pissing it away at Nate’s expense. This is the last thing Nate wants right now, that you can be sure of.

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 17, 2012 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree

There is something going on with Nate not inspiring offensive confidence in his players. Except one on one players. I think it is as much the offensive system as anything.

by DannyYoung on Feb 17, 2012 9:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Except one on one players

That’s because Nate’s system, which would have and has worked great for Roy and Aldridge (would have for Oden, would for any elite guard) is largely about getting people the ball in a good spot and letting them go to work. Whether that’s a cross screen to get Aldridge on the block, a 1-4 low to get Roy in isolation, a down screen to get Nic curling through the middle…Nate’s system, as far as I can tell, is much less about generating easy shots. This would have worked great with talents like LMA-Roy-Oden, but it doesn’t work as well with talents like Matthews, Felton, etc…

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 17, 2012 9:42 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Yep

That sounds about right. Now we just need a new coach who will, I don’t know, call some plays that actually work.

by DannyYoung on Feb 17, 2012 1:19 PM PST up reply actions  

one valid criticism of Nate is that he's stubborn

from a system standpoint, it’s great when you have the talent to do it. Beating guys one on one is more reliable and consistent than a gimmicky offense, which often gets ground to a halt in the playoffs anyway. Problem is that due to injuries our talent level has taken such a big hit that trying to do it with this roster just leaves us wanting to pull our collective hair out.

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 17, 2012 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow, Ray.

Let me help you out. People don’t “trust” in that which repeatedly fails them.

If a teenager steals change from your dresser once, he gets a talking to, with a reminder that what he did was wrong, but that you still love him.

If a teenager gets your PIN number and empties your bank account, sells the 2 family cars, pawns moms family heirlooms, and splints for Mexico, you call the cops, get a restraining order, ans never speak to him again.

Stop stealing our heirlooms.

by The Penguin on Feb 17, 2012 8:15 AM PST reply actions  

Wish I could use that excuse:

’I’m not playing well because Coach doesn’t like that I’m not playing well.’

round and round we go!!!

by JusChilln345 on Feb 17, 2012 8:15 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

i questioned his signing in the first place.

he never seemed like a player who would fit here. and for portland to jettison andre miller to sign him? we all know that wasn’t the case. Rather, Portland just want to get younger at that position so signing Spencer was more about convenience than anything else.

Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.

by Net Ranger on Feb 17, 2012 8:25 AM PST reply actions  

Spencer?

Did I miss a joke there?

"Luke is our go-to Chalupa man," Matthews said. "Designated."

by Vorlauf on Feb 17, 2012 9:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Wow

So. Many. Curse. Words.

by Jamal Granger on Feb 17, 2012 8:27 AM PST reply actions  

He’s a mediocre PG that is so out of shape he’s playing well below mediocre. He needs to shut up.

by jksnake99 on Feb 17, 2012 8:42 AM PST reply actions  

I don't think "shape" is the issue any more

He’s played how many games in a compressed season? I think he’s had enough time to get in shape on games.

"Luke is our go-to Chalupa man," Matthews said. "Designated."

by Vorlauf on Feb 17, 2012 10:02 AM PST up reply actions  

The only time I had really paid attention to Felton was last years playoffs

And really, he played similar there to how he has played here. Very aggressive looking for his shot, bulling his way into traffic. But he looked selfish, frustrated and shot 36%. I had definate misgivings when the trade went down but many decent players have had a bad playoff series before, so I hoped he was better. Still, he just killed Denver and did not play smart as well, kind of the antithesis of Broy – out of control and putting the team out of rythm.

Really makes me wonder about our management that did this deal…

by T.O. on Feb 17, 2012 8:49 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

He's lazy

There is no freaking reason a professional athlete should be out of shape at any point while he is an active competitor. How lazy do you have to be? Get over yourself and start correcting your incapacity to better your game during each off-season.

by LaRoyDen on Feb 17, 2012 8:58 AM PST reply actions  

Wow, keep digging, Ray.

I fully expect the next dig-the-hole-deeper quote to come out of Ray’s cupcake-hole to be something like, “I’m not paid enough to take this kind of crap from fans.”

by LaughingJon on Feb 17, 2012 9:01 AM PST reply actions  

Hardly

Chone Figgins got a multiyear contract to repeatedly stick it to the Mariners. Felton, at the very least, is a one and done.

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Feb 17, 2012 9:26 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Raymond Felton > Chone Figgins!!!

hooray!!

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 17, 2012 9:28 AM PST up reply actions  

maybe

I would argue though that, as bad as Figgins is, he is not single-handedly dragging the team down; Felton, on the hand, is absolutely atrocious to watch and the other Blazers are tasked with trying to succeed in spite of Felton.

by sndgrdn49 on Feb 17, 2012 9:38 AM PST up reply actions  

very true

that’s more about basketball vs. baseball though

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 17, 2012 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Apt comparison

Figgins was a pretty good player in Anaheim, then went off the rails after signing that 4 year/$40M contract in Seattle.

Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB

by zeusmith on Feb 17, 2012 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Nailed it.

In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice they're not.

by conspirator5 on Feb 17, 2012 9:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Very well said.

Most intelligent post on this topic to date.

Rec.

"Luke is our go-to Chalupa man," Matthews said. "Designated."

by Vorlauf on Feb 17, 2012 10:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Exactly.

There’s a reason people like Wesley even though his play has been pretty bad this season; it’s because he’s worked hard, accepted responsibility for his play and continues to play hard even when he isn’t getting it done.

Ray-Ray just needs to shut up and play.

by mattisnotfrench on Feb 17, 2012 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Wesley gets a pass for mediocre play

because his defense is still good. That one play in particular last night when he was guarding Chris Paul and stripped the ball was impressive. I just wish Matthews would take the open shot when he is passed the ball. Ball movement is all well and good but too much eats into the shot clock and then all that’s left is a rushed shot at the end.

"You can walk away from someone who doesn't love you. And you can walk away from someone you don't love. But when the love is mutual," Roy said. "The hardest thing is to walk away."

-Brandon Roy as told to Jason Quick of The Oregonian

by The_Natural on Feb 17, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

swag post

rec

Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB

by zeusmith on Feb 17, 2012 12:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought we traded Fernandez?

But you know when you go 0-7 a couple of games means that’s on you…. but you know this is like the third person to complain about nate so must be some truth in this get rid of them both

by Canthus90 on Feb 17, 2012 9:31 AM PST reply actions  

Ray, Rudy, and Andre. Hmmmm.

Ray: given most minutes in league for player with lowest PER at position. Not on Nate.

Rudy: given tons of minutes as rookie, relied upon to come off bench and run side pick and rolls. Essentially featured bench role for several seasons. Minutes adjusted for shooting slump from 3, many off which were open. Again, not on Nate.

Andre: declared Blake’s backup before training camp after Roy’s public comments that he “is comfortable” with Blake. Earned starting role by making team much better than Blake ever could and by being reliable mid range jump shooter, as well as creativity in attacking the paint. Defense also surprisingly opportunistic. You know, I think Nate was backing B Roy. He could have, and maybe should have, handled Andre differently from the start, but B Roy was THE franchise. Andre was a temporary fix at point. He was the team’s last option in free agency.

Who else has complained about Nate? I guarantee you they suck.

Come on, let's all hug it out.

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Feb 17, 2012 9:37 AM PST up reply actions   4 recs

Ruben Patterson

"The Kobe Stopper" felt he deserved 25 a game. Most players know enough not to publicly complain about their coach – doesn’t mean they’re being treated fairly. Take Batum for instance. It’s pretty obvious to me that McMillan has held this kid back tremendously over the course of four years. And his ridiculous ill-timed slight towards Batum for a lack of aggressiveness last night (after the guy’s noticeable improvement in that area since the OKC game) are a prime example of how lost this guy is.

by heybabydrinkyourmilk on Feb 17, 2012 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Making improvements? Hell yes.

Still has a ways to go in that department? Definitely.

"Luke is our go-to Chalupa man," Matthews said. "Designated."

by Vorlauf on Feb 17, 2012 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Here’s an honest question for the Blazers faithful.

Who would you rather have right now, Bayless or Felton at PG?

..and the fact that I’m even asking that honestly should say enough about Felton’s time here so far.

"It feels good to give the fans Taco Bell."
- Luke Babbitt, 1/23/2012

by halo_on on Feb 17, 2012 9:42 AM PST reply actions  

I'll add 1 more to mine

1. Ray-mound Fat-ton
2. Derek Fisher

"(creative University of Oregon fan quote!)"

by thuginator on Feb 17, 2012 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Reading this makes me think one thing. I think the real motive he made this statement has nothing to do with this year

Let me explain. Normally this sort of stuff would be handled behind closed doors. But when this year is up and he needs to get resigned somewhere, he is goin to take a big pay hit after this year. He has some history which should help him, but if the only reason he played poorly this year was his own fault what is he supposed to say to other teams? By coming out and blaming Nate it opens up a little window where he has an excuse that he can talk about with other teams in hopes that they will sign him just thinking that this year was more of nates fault than his own.

Hes got to do something to get a decent contract next year and right now his only options are 1. make it look like nates fault so that a team will give him a second chance based on his history. 2. Piss off the organization so they trade him and he has a chance to finish the year with a positive. think about the timing of this, just a few weeks before the trade deadline.

by Kazper on Feb 17, 2012 9:55 AM PST reply actions  

interesting

no one like a malcontent either, but given how poorly he’s played this tact could make some sense for him.

That’s giving Ray a lot of credit though, I think he’s just frustrated with his terrible play and is lashing out, trying to direct responsibility away from where it belongs…on him.

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 17, 2012 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

This is not a savvy move

Crawford, despite getting every shot he could dream of, subtly hints to Canzano that he ‘could make a stink about not starting’ or ‘playing PG is tough’ is a savvy move, to complain without overtly complaining.

This is just the ranting of a frustrated player, who realizes he’s struggling but doesn’t have the answers.

by aces_dad on Feb 17, 2012 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Nope. This is a lose lose for Ray.

Bad performance = sub par contract. Talking out of school does not instill confidence either. Even if it were to make it look like Nate were part of Ray’s problem, it doesn’t help Felton’s case by taking this kind of thing public.

"Luke is our go-to Chalupa man," Matthews said. "Designated."

by Vorlauf on Feb 17, 2012 11:02 AM PST up reply actions  

FTFY

Felton Blames Poor Play On Coach’s Lack Of Trust

Coach’s Lack of Trust Blamed on Felton’s Poor Play

In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice they're not.

by conspirator5 on Feb 17, 2012 9:57 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

Ray Felton

makes me long for Rudy Fernandez. I would KILL to have Rudy as our PG right now, and I cheered when we traded him.

by The Penguin on Feb 17, 2012 9:58 AM PST reply actions  

I'd take Bayless or Jack over Rudy at the PG

Rudy would make us pull our hair out too, he’d just be flashier about it

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 17, 2012 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

not at PG

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 17, 2012 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

jk

not at anywhere…He was a fail machine I still rooted for

by blazerblaze on Feb 17, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Felton's so bad I actually thought about it for a second

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 17, 2012 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

One other thought here...

Felton said. “It’s to the point where the only person I could turn to was my mom.”

This tells me that it’s not just Nate that has lost trust in Raymond. You’d expect that if the players really had a beef with McMillan, RayRay could just go to a guy hes known for a while like Wallace, or a guy who catches grief from Nate like Batum, or a guy who just got sent to the bench like Wesley, and find some sympathy.

But apparently, they’re not looking to pat him on the head and make him feel better either.

In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice they're not.

by conspirator5 on Feb 17, 2012 10:00 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

good point

He knows he’s letting those guys down, he has to. Crash doesn’t want to hear it and I don’t blame him.

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 17, 2012 10:04 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Point of contrast...

Wesley Matthews: “I haven’t been shooting well on the floor. I have no explanation for it. But I keep staying late and get up extra shots. That’s all I can do is keep working on it until it comes back.”

Raymond Felton: “I haven’t been shooting well on the floor. I brought in a private shooting coach for TWO WHOLE DAYS. My shooting improved for TWO WHOLE DAYS after he left. Obviously it’s Coach’s fault that it didn’t stick.”

In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice they're not.

by conspirator5 on Feb 17, 2012 10:10 AM PST up reply actions   3 recs

Hey guess what Ray

Nobody trusts you because you SUCK

These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx

by RDreamer on Feb 17, 2012 10:09 AM PST reply actions  

I've given this a lot more thought...

and decided that it’s amazing that Ray still trusts his shot enough to keep shooting.

Wherever you may be; good night, eeeeeeverybody!

by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Feb 17, 2012 10:22 AM PST reply actions  

Quick formula to become a successful pass-first PG:

1. Stop shooting.
2. Kick out on the drive when the defense collapses.
3. Profit!!!

In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice they're not.

by conspirator5 on Feb 17, 2012 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

He should be praising his coach for his loyalty!

He’s lucky to be playing at all. In fact, it’s to the point where Nate can no longer justify playing him.

by JAWKS on Feb 17, 2012 10:24 AM PST reply actions  

Felton is a horrible point guard,

and has now demonstrated he makes poor decision off the floor as well by calling out his coach. What a tool.

Tell me again why we traded Miller?

by RenoBlazerFan on Feb 17, 2012 10:27 AM PST reply actions  

Once again Nate has an issue with a PG.

Sorry taking a tangent here… I just remember when Nate used to call out miller. and the fact that for being an ex PG Nate hasn’t actually developed a good one his entire time being here… Im trying to think about to his time in seattle to think if he ever developed one there either.

by Kazper on Feb 17, 2012 10:28 AM PST reply actions  

Hard to put that all on Nate

Our drafting hasn’t exactly been golden.

by poorwebguy on Feb 17, 2012 10:45 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I said the same thing last week

“I know I’m struggling, but it’s hard to _______ the way you know how when you know you don’t have confidence in me,” I says to my girlfriend. “Never in my days _______, have I felt like a girlfriend wasn’t confident in my _________. It’s hard to _ knowing that.”

by blazerblaze on Feb 17, 2012 10:28 AM PST reply actions  

stop feeding it cupcakes

wait….

Disclaimer: There is a high chance this comment contains sarcasm, so please just chill out, relax, and have a nice l@ker hating day.

by postup on Feb 17, 2012 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Head case!!!

Even if he is capable of playing at the level he feels he can he has demonstrated that singular ability to be completely taken out of his game based on what he feels people are thinking about him. Good thing he stayed away from Twitter!

The Western Conference may be a bit too much for him. Trade him back east and see if he can find his mojo again. He’ll most likely always be terrible in the playoffs though.

I do feel for the guy. I’m not sure anyone deserves the kind of crap he just bought for himself. I really wanted him to work out.

by poorwebguy on Feb 17, 2012 10:34 AM PST reply actions  

I can't believe some of the stuff that y'all bring back on Nate.

Felton has straight up SUCKED! How this is Nate’s fault is beyond me. Nate’s damned if he do and damned if he don’t. Fans would be apoplectic if he was giving Felton even more minutes, especially at crunch time, because time and time again, when Felton has been given those minutes, he’s done stupid stuff.

Confidence is like respect; it drives me crazy when people expect me to give them respect when they’ve done nothing to earn it. Confidence comes from making plays, not from your coach. If anything, Nate has been overly confident that Felton would turn it around.

by superfly05 on Feb 17, 2012 10:41 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

Does anybody else get the feeling?

That we are not going to make any moves by the trade deadline? We have a nice little core in Aldridge and Batum, but really nothing else that you could honestly say are must keep players. In addition, beyond maybe Wallace, not a lot of viable trade bait other than an expiring contract or two. But what do you have to take back in return for an expiring contract and will it help the team now, or just prolong more of the same? Would it actually be better to throw in the towel on the season………don’t take on any bad contracts at the deadline and let the offseason come as quick as possible? That way we have max cap space, a higher draft pick, hopefully a new GM and a fresh start on signing guys we can build around. While this approach may cost Nate his job……..maybe the powers that be are willing to go down that path.

by ImpactHawk on Feb 17, 2012 10:41 AM PST reply actions  

Pathetic

That is all I have to say.

"Wide, girthy. Just like a Rhino. Sometimes my horns are visible."

by YoniRap on Feb 17, 2012 10:48 AM PST reply actions  

Feel badly for Ray, but

Another one NOT on Nate. Ray, even if Nate is blasting you behind closed doors, you answer your critics by playing well. As noted above, we die-hard Blazer fans (even in Eastern Oregon!) are not hard to please.

Best hope: Ray is embarrassed by his marks made in the heat of his frustration, apologizes and puts his best efforts into his play.

by William Y on Feb 17, 2012 10:53 AM PST reply actions  

I think the problem is....

…there should be two separate debates here. But fans, myself included are apt to get distracted by the performance and the stat lines and the specific comment about believeing that Nate McMillan has no confidence in him.

In my opinion, Raymond Felton the player? The professional, playing for The Blazers? Really has no excuse. He has gotten minutes and opportunity and simply not executed and performed well. He should not, even if he believes it, publically made any statement about a lack of trust. It comes off as an excuse and one most fans will not accept. This team has an assistant coach, named Bernie Bickerstaff, who drafted Raymond Felton and coached him in the past. It’s very concievable that Nate McMillan aside, support does exist in the coaching ranks. Plus Raymond Felton should realize that personal differences aside, Nate McMillan and himself ultimately have the same goal. They both want to win. Nate certainly doesn’t want his starting PG questioning himself, Nate certainly would rather a succesful and confident PG. That should be good starting ground. But the truth also remains, regardless of how Raymond Felton “feels” about his relationship with McMillan, there is a definable difference between sideline and on the court during a game. McMillan is not with Felton when he steps on the court. It is Feltons job to step on that court and play as well as possible. I feel my coach doesn’t trust me…whether true or not, simply acts as an excuse and a purposely volatile statement.

Felton as a “Person” has every right to feel however he wishes to feel about those around him. Everyone has a the unwritten freedom to “like their boss” or “dislike their boss” or feel appreciated at work or underappreciated…or whatever.

What is unfortunate is I think reading the bombshell comments from Felton that he gave Chris Haynes 99% of them are perfectly valid comments from a struggling player. Infact most of the entire piece IS concievably what you’d want to hear from your struggling PG. The answers he gave as a “player” are what you want to hear…The answer he gave as Raymond Felton the person? While perhaps personally valid? Are NOT what you want to hear from a player.

Off a loss, with the team and perhaps the entire season teetering, what we have here is the personal truth from the immediate momentary perspective of Raymond Felton the person. And what it really is, is a horrible PR mistake.

I’m feeling “untrusted”, I’m feeling you have no confidence in me, is a conversation that should of remained between him and McMillan and behind the scenes. Unfortunately? It’s out of the bag. Now I think the best you hope for is that the truth sets everyone free. Either it clears the air between him or McMillan OR it simply officially ends the painful failed experiment Raymond Felton Blazer PG has become.

"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"

by Krang on Feb 17, 2012 11:03 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

I bet Nate could still play point better than Felton is right now. Boom.

A displaced Sonics fan that has somehow emerged as a Blazers fan (and loves it).

by anitachampionship on Feb 17, 2012 11:24 AM PST reply actions  

Man......

I thought we traded Rudy.

by AR-15 on Feb 17, 2012 11:41 AM PST reply actions  

Felton's managed to shoot worse than Fernandez of last year

I didn’t think that would be possible – least of which a starting guard entering his contract year – but I was mistaken. I’ll never forget how bad Fernandez was shooting the ball in 2010-2011, but Felton is just as bad.

He’s probably cost himself upwards of $20M dollars on his next contract. If he had put up 43% shooting/15 PER with baseline numbers, he could have received a 4 year/$35M contract. Now, he’ll be lucky to receive starters money and starting role in the NBA. Too much ineptitude and poor shooting for any team to shell out big money.

That’s gotta sting.

Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB

by zeusmith on Feb 17, 2012 12:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Why don't we get rid of both of them?

Seriously, I’m sick of them both.

"Brandon Roy has done this before."

by sabonis11 on Feb 17, 2012 11:46 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

All you Blazer fans who ragged unmercifully on Andre Miller should get a clue now

THIS is what a lousy point guard looks like.

Can Felton play better? Who can’t? But at his best, Felton’s not on Miller’s level. And we may never even see his best in Portland. His confidence and relationship with Nate may be too far down the tubes.

I still believe in Greg Oden. The Blazers' medical staff? Not so much.

I'd change my handle to "bringback'09," but I'm too lazy.

by hurryup09 on Feb 17, 2012 11:55 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

THIS

To some people, the grass is always greener… until it’s not.

Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB

by zeusmith on Feb 17, 2012 12:10 PM PST up reply actions  

the grass is always greener... until it's not.

Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB

by zeusmith on Feb 17, 2012 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

As a clipper fan I can tell you that sometimes the grass IS greener.

by Sfernald on Feb 17, 2012 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

after about 30 years of rummaging through the swamp

Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB

by zeusmith on Feb 17, 2012 1:56 PM PST up reply actions  

we don't control the moves the front office makes

some of us like to put a positive spin on them for our own mental health purposes.

Obviously all of us wish that Dre was still here as our starting PG

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 17, 2012 12:30 PM PST up reply actions  

IMO

Saying that Felton is not the answer for the team at PG does not necessarily lead me to believe that MIller should be the starting PG this year. Miller’s shortcomings as Blazer PG would still be there.

by Storyteller on Feb 17, 2012 12:34 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

You mean that Miller didn't complement Brandon Roy's declining game?

Or do you mean that he can’t play uptempo—er, the way he’s been playing in Denver this season?

Sure, Miller would be a better fit with the Blazers if he could consistently hit the 3-point shot. Sure, he’s no spring chicken. But many fans—and Blazer management as well, apparently—never appreciated what Andre Miller brought to the table.

One would hope that a long look at Raymond Felton’s play this season would be instructive for those people. But maybe not: “there’s none so blind as he who won’t see.”

I still believe in Greg Oden. The Blazers' medical staff? Not so much.

I'd change my handle to "bringback'09," but I'm too lazy.

by hurryup09 on Feb 17, 2012 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Not being able to hit open long-range shots is a big weakness for a point guard in this league almost regardless of the coached system

Boston has been considering trading Rondo for about two seasons because of that (with alleged chemistry problems adding to that desire). And Rondo brings just as excellent passing and a lot better defense than Miller to the table. And for his whole package and his youth, he’s also on an excellent deal. And he’s perfectly capable of making a few 3s in a row in an empty gym (as was showcased during the ASW HORSE/GEICO contest where he could hold up with Durant for a while hitting 3s), just doesn’t dare to shoot and consistently make them in game action.

A PG who can’t space the floor at all makes it easy for the defense to collapse and take away driving lanes, or double the best player especially if it’s a front court guy around the basket anyway. With another non-shooter on the floor especially in crunch time you have a real problem (for the Celtics that was Perkins, for the Blazers there weren’t many great shooters around Miller to begin with despite the “3 goggles” gimmick).

Arguably it now turns out that the Blazers trying to fix that situation unfortunately downgraded from Miller (and pieces) with the Felton move, but I don’t blame the management for trying to make a move with a 1st round exit about as good as it got.

by Norsktroll on Feb 17, 2012 1:38 PM PST up reply actions   4 recs

Miller had some warts.

I think moving on to a new PG was a wise move by the team. Not only because his 3pt shooting was bad, but because his bread-and-butter, the alley-oop, is easy to cut off which is part of the reason he’s never taken a team far in the playoffs. Making a trade for a pick-and-roll PG was smart, they just got the wrong guy.

Doers & Makers > Movers & Shakers

by Adam Randall on Feb 17, 2012 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually

Nate first. Felton has actually had some good years until the proper coaching. He might be salvageable.

by Cabbol on Feb 17, 2012 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Felton has had one "good" half-season -- last year in New York

Otherwise, he has been a pretty crappy point guard his whole career. His career PER is 14. If he was playing up to his usual standards (vs. his PER of 10-11 this season), that career mark would rank him 39th in the league among point guards — between Barea and Bayless.

I don’t know where this myth that he is a good player started. Trading Miller for him when Andre had shown no signs of decline was just a bad move. Miller has been in or near the top 10 point guards in the league his entire career.

by byronirvin on Feb 17, 2012 12:23 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Ah, but Felton is a wonderful outsided shooter, capable of spreading the floor for LMA

Er, right?

Fact is, I never thought Miller’s outside shooting was as bad as his stats suggested. Miller is a reluctant outside shooter, so a very high percentage of his outside shots are of the “flaming bag” variety—coming when teammates toss the ball out to him with the clock running down and a defender all over him.

Team player that Miller is, he makes a game shot attempt in those circumstances in hopes that he can at least draw iron and a teammate can get the rebound. Other, more stat-oriented players pass along the flaming bag in that situation so as to preserve their shooting percentage. Yes, stats sometimes lie.

I still believe in Greg Oden. The Blazers' medical staff? Not so much.

I'd change my handle to "bringback'09," but I'm too lazy.

by hurryup09 on Feb 17, 2012 1:27 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL

“Boring” and “The 2011-12 NBA Season” are not synonymous

by Storyteller on Feb 17, 2012 12:37 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

except if you're talking about the games themselves.

well, maybe not boring, but “ugly” is a term that applies to about 75% of the games played this season.

"Wide, girthy. Just like a Rhino. Sometimes my horns are visible."

by YoniRap on Feb 17, 2012 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I had a dream

of Felton doing Zenadrin commercials during next basketball season.

by AR-15 on Feb 17, 2012 12:22 PM PST reply actions  

When reached for comment

Luke Babbitt said “What flavor of gatorade is it that you wanted again?”

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 17, 2012 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  

When reached for comment

Marcus Camby said, referring to Felton’s play so far this year, “He’s not respecting these years.”

"(creative University of Oregon fan quote!)"

by thuginator on Feb 17, 2012 12:53 PM PST up reply actions  

When reached for comment

zeusmith said “Well? I told you! What the hell did you expect?”

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 17, 2012 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

the funniest (and saddest) one because it's true is that when reached for comment

Ray Felton said “it’s not my fault, it’s Nate’s fault!”

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 17, 2012 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

When reached for comment

George Karl said “BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…suck it Portland, we got you good!”

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 17, 2012 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

When reached for comment

Voodoo Donut said “Don’t trade Felton! He’s solely responsible for a 20% jump in our sales!!!”

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 17, 2012 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

When reached for comment

Nate McMillan sighed deeply, then pulled a flask from his jacket and took a mighty pull.

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 17, 2012 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I’ve created a monster.

by JonathanPDX on Feb 17, 2012 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah, what can I say

there’s a lot of material here to work with

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 17, 2012 1:15 PM PST up reply actions  

When reached for comment

Bernie Bickerstaff said “Oops…”

#7

by clinchmobb on Feb 17, 2012 1:28 PM PST up reply actions  

When reached for comment

the basketball said “That man is abusive! He throws me against the rim and other players legs with no regard whatsoever!”

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 17, 2012 1:29 PM PST up reply actions  

the basketball then added

“he just doesn’t take good care of me”

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 17, 2012 1:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Ball don't lie!

"Luke is our go-to Chalupa man," Matthews said. "Designated."

by Vorlauf on Feb 17, 2012 1:36 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Haha

You’re having too much fun with this. Felton is turning you into that crazy uncle who talks to himself in the corner.

Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB

by zeusmith on Feb 17, 2012 2:05 PM PST up reply actions  

When reached for comment

Armon Johnson said, “Nolan Smith’s best game wasn’t half as good as my worst. Why does this kid get love and chances when he should be coming off the Stampede’s bench?”

Doers & Makers > Movers & Shakers

by Adam Randall on Feb 17, 2012 1:46 PM PST up reply actions  

When reached for comment

Antione Walker said, "Can’t wait to play with Nolan, I’ve got some good investment ideas basketball skills to share with him.

"(creative University of Oregon fan quote!)"

by thuginator on Feb 17, 2012 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Deflections

Sounds to me like Felton is looking elswhere for reasons why he’s not playing well. What he’s failing to do is look in the mirror and take accountability for what he’s doing on the court. Nate has given him the opportunity and it’s up to him to take advantage of it. I compare this to the real business world. It’s up to ME to produce positive results and not point the finger at my boss when I produce poorly.

At this point, I really think we need to invest some time in Nolan. The downside is what?? He makes some mistakes out there on the court…. hmmmmm

by westpdx on Feb 17, 2012 12:51 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

If the dude atleast hit some open shots.......Hit some open 3 pointers atleast please...

how can you become sub 20% 3 point shooter all of a sudden?

WITH ODEN ON OUR SIDE

by bowdown on Feb 17, 2012 1:15 PM PST reply actions  

clearly it's Nate's fault

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 17, 2012 1:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm actually on Felton's side here.

His comments SOUND absolutely ridiculous.. I mean, Nate has given him quite a “long-leash” – he’s gotten lot’s of playing time for someone who’s been playing as terrible as he has – but I believe there’s more to the story. Raymond isn’t the first player to come to Portland and complain about Nate. To me, it look’s like “Sarge” is trying to get the players to conform to his idea of “good basketball”. The problem is the personnel we have don’t fit the bill, and whether or not his idea of good basketball is actually good basketball is arguable.

Our personnel needs a coach that runs good, set plays, to get good, open shots. Gets out on the break. ISN’T afraid to try an offense that fits the team’s personnel even if it leads to a couple more turnovers as long as the end result is a more efficient offense. This coach isn’t Nate. Nate is a decent (not even gonna say GOOD) coach for excellent isolation players such as Brandon Roy. We don’t have B-Roy anymore. Nate doesn’t fit the bill.

To go back to what I was originally stating, I don’t think what Felton said specifically is necessarily true, but I do believe coach is having an effect on his play. I don’t think it’s that coach has a lack of confidence in him, I think it’s that he isn’t good at what coach is ramming down his throat and that’s causing Ray himself to “lose confidence” and state things such as this after tough games. I just can’t blame Ray here. I believe basketball is a very mental sport, and if coach is making players lose confidence because he’s trying to make them conform to his idea of an ‘efficient" offense rather then working on playing torwards the team’s strengths, I can’t blame that on Felton.

Felton isn’t as bad as he’s been playing. He may be as bad as he’s been playing in Nate’s system, but that’s because Nate isn’t the right fit for him. Nobody on the roster is besides Jamal (is it a coincidence that when Jamal signed here, there was instantly that story about Nate wanting to “get his name into the rafters”? Favoritism torwards iso players much?). Also, let’s get something straight – Ray isn’t the only one to call out Nate McMillan in the past few years PUBLICLY. That’s a big claim because most guy’s don’t have the balls to say something like this publicly. I believe that there’s other players on this roster who are probably sick of Nate but just don’t say anything to the media. I believe that Raymond would be playing BETTER if we had a different coach, along with most of the guys on our team.

by Jpar on Feb 17, 2012 1:22 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

interesting perspective

like, Felton is saying Nate doesn’t have confidence in the ‘way I play’.
Overcontrolling? Retraining, overthinking, could be a challenge.
Well, if it IS the coach, then maybe Ray has value !

by Berkeley on Feb 17, 2012 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Hollinger's player preview, emphasis mine. For his own future in the league, that part better not be true.
One major concern is that Felton visibly put on weight last season. It hasn’t caught up to him yet; in fact his defense is still quite good. But as he gets into his late 20s it’s going to be increasingly difficult to play effectively with a giant all-season radial under his jersey.

For this year, however, Felton could be quite good; he is 27 and entering his walk year, so the Blazers will likely get his best season. Additionally, his defense at the point of attack will be an upgrade on Andre Miller, and he’s a more capable floor spacer too.

by Norsktroll on Feb 17, 2012 1:26 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

funny isn't it?

All signs pointed to us getting his best year, and yet we get his unequivocal worst effort as a pro

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 17, 2012 1:28 PM PST up reply actions  

for him to fall this hard during a contract year is just absurd.

you’d think he’d care at least a bit more about taking care of his family.

"Wide, girthy. Just like a Rhino. Sometimes my horns are visible."

by YoniRap on Feb 17, 2012 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

He's a millionaire.

How much more care could they need?

Doers & Makers > Movers & Shakers

by Adam Randall on Feb 17, 2012 3:20 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

that's an awesome video.

I guess that the lack of autonomy from Nate might not be helpful, but what’s more purposeful then playing in front of thousands of people who are affected in some way by how well you play the game?
Assuming he’s in the league because he likes the game of basketball, doesn’t he want to stay in the league?

"Wide, girthy. Just like a Rhino. Sometimes my horns are visible."

by YoniRap on Feb 17, 2012 4:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I just wonder how much better Felton would be if his 3 point shot was falling and he was in shape to start the season.

This guy is a shooter that lost his shot. I do wonder if one of these games Felton is just going to go off and change all our minds.

Nate needs to tell Felton that he believes in him but he has to lose some weight. I have a feeling Felton is still not in his best shape.

by BRoyInThe4th on Feb 17, 2012 1:44 PM PST reply actions  

I just wonder when he will stop shooting 3s at all. Miller at least understood that wasn’t a strength of his game.

by DuxNW on Feb 17, 2012 1:56 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah I kept expecting him to find his shot again

and he kept finding it. Trouble is he couldn’t find any points to go with it.

I’d be all for Ray completely silencing his critics (including me). I wish he would stop worrying about what people are thinking and get his head in whatever place it needs to be for him to play his game.

by poorwebguy on Feb 17, 2012 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

My condolences to Blazers fans--and Felton has just destroyed his career

or at least any chance of starting in this league. I’d be the last person to question the manhood of someone who brings up his mother’s trust and support (trust me on this), but to do it in the context of your pro ball career and your coach’s lack of confidence in you… I had to read the quote twice just to be sure I was processing correctly. Maybe the reporter simply made it up on the spot after all! Nah.

I was thrilled when Felton hit it big with the Knicks. What a nice way for things to turn out for someone who had played pretty well and then not gotten the appreciation he deserved from his team. But after the trade to my Nuggets, it became clear right quick like that this was a guy with a persecution complex, or a sense of entitlement, or maybe in perpetual crybaby mode—put it however you want.

So I was relieved when the trade with you guys went down. We got the proverbial crafty veteran, a very well known quantity for us, and y’all got a solid-to-very-good starting PG who I, as a closet Blazers fan (I’m not your typical rabid one-team guy), thought would fit really well. But it seems that a leopard really and truly cannot change its spots.

Here’s hoping something good happens for the Blazers at the deadline. If not, I have no doubt it will happen before next season. Good luck with it all.

Formerly KarlFanHenry, which no longer accurately describes me, though my new screen name sure as hell does.

by LongWindedHank on Feb 17, 2012 4:18 PM PST reply actions  

He's gonna' get booed in the next home game. You can bet that.

You cannot blame Nate for Felton’s play because of how shockingly terrible he has been. When you’re that bad, there are no excuses. I would literally rather have Elliot Williams getting half his minutes.

by CoryBauer on Feb 17, 2012 8:24 PM PST reply actions  

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