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Nate gets agitated and fires back at the press while talking about Batum.

"There we go. You guys want to change the point guard, you wanna try and get Nic minutes ... What other way can you use him? ... He's there. So respond to that. Answer that for me."

"You're there at the 2 in clutch situations. Make plays. Make plays, you're there in the most crucial part of the game. Make plays."

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Flawless logic.

Also, would it be too difficult to practice doing things we are bad at? For example, rebounding, fast breaks, 3 pt. shooting, passing to LaMarcus, layups, et cetera?

Nate is blaming the players for not making plays, but I don’t think he’s doing what is necessary to keep the guys in their best form. We’re not playing anywhere near our potential and we add up to less than the sum of our parts. That’s bad coaching, and so is the same old “we didn’t make shots down the stretch” and “make plays.”

by manfredi on Feb 14, 2012 8:03 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

How many practices do you think have happened since the season started?

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Feb 14, 2012 8:18 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

The obvious answer to me is 'not enough.'

We look like a preseason team and our record is 1-9 in close games. We make the same mistakes over and over.

by manfredi on Feb 14, 2012 5:19 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

There have not been any time for practices in this compressed schedule

if there has been more than 2 or 3 I would be surprised

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Feb 19, 2012 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

sounds like what they practiced?

He talked specifically about spacing on fast breaks and fast breaks in general. They always get shots up and apparently went full speed. He also talked specifically about ball movement.

by poorwebguy on Feb 14, 2012 9:18 AM PST up reply actions  

correction

Nate gave (singular) Batum an opportunity…the problem is that Nate has been very slow to give Nic consistent opportunities and the opportunity to grow. Even while Nate complains about consistency he has sat one of his most consistent player (not saying much but that’s what we got).

Nate is not accountable, and does not hold players evenly accountable…

Fire Nate

by ripcitymilehigh on Feb 14, 2012 12:10 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

nic is playing 5 fewer minutes than he was last year

he is playing 7 fewer minutes per game than wessy.

he is playing 8 fewer minutes per game than gerald.

he’s better than both.

answer that. nate. i hated that interview. so freaking patronizing and unwilling to address the actual issues. need this guy gone this summer. 8 years is long enough.

PHILLY!

by CleBlazer on Feb 14, 2012 1:49 AM PST reply actions   3 recs

correction

8 fewer minutes per game than wes, and 10 fewer mins per game than wallace

PHILLY!

by CleBlazer on Feb 14, 2012 1:50 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed. But could you imagine Nic with GForce assertiveness?

"Per John Hollingers twitter - Over the final 12:45 of today's game, Brandon Roy's PER was 84.98" GM 4 vs Mavs

by blazinagain on Feb 14, 2012 12:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, Batum is definitely better than Wes at this point,

but Gerald Wallace is still the second-best player on this team.

"Wide, girthy. Just like a Rhino. Sometimes my horns are visible."

by YoniRap on Feb 14, 2012 12:17 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

CleBlazer for the win !!

Nico is also younger and just getting started. Not one head injury away from retirement.

Nate isnt testy about Nico, you reports get on his last nerve. How many of you ever even played basketball ?? Let the man work with the roster he has please ;)

just win baby !

by FrenchieFan on Feb 15, 2012 7:19 PM PST up reply actions  

My biggest beef with Nate is he's too defensive

I think people would cut him a lot more slack if every once in awhile he actually admitted he made a mistake with something.

I think back to that situation a couple weeks back where we needed the D Rebound on a free throw situation, and we didn’t sub Camby in to get it. We of course, gave up the offensive rebound. Asked about it, Nate gave the media a bunch of bull about how he didn’t have a timeout left to get Camby in the game (hello – free throw – no timeout needed). It would be nice if just owned up to it and said “you know what – my bad. I forgot about him (or perhaps he made a decision to keep a better 3 point shooter in the game and gamble on getting the rebound. that’s fine – just freaking own it for once”

He’s annoyed about the Batum questions. That’s his right I suppose, but as long as Batum is playing fewer minutes than people like Wesley and crash, the questions aren’t going to go away. Does Batum make mistakes? of course. but so does every player on the roster, and it sure seems at times like Batum is cut less slack (playing time) for those than some other players are. And in the end, even if he is making those mistakes, if the team truly wants to develop him into one of their building blocks going forward, the only way to do that is to play him – mistakes and all.

"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave

by douglast on Feb 14, 2012 9:11 AM PST up reply actions   3 recs

Yup, this is definitely a pattern

We definitely heard something similar in the even darker PG days of Blake/Jack/Sergio, Blake/Sergio/Bayless, and Blake/Andre/Bayless, although I think the more irritating thing to me is simply the dismissal of any alternate opinion, like that he can’t imagine why anyone would think he might want to find more minutes for player X.

Nate’s resume, while solid, hardly puts him in a position where his word should be taken as gospel, especially in a season where we see a once-waived 4th-stringer on a 10 day contract explode like Jeremy Lin has.

by Royster on Feb 14, 2012 9:51 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

"Nate’s resume, while solid, hardly puts him in a position where his word should be taken as gospel [...]"

Precisely, which is why I cringe when reading appeal to/argument from authority rants in support of someone who’s in a position of power. Just ‘cause someone is in a position of power doesn’t make them correct, for nobody is infallible.

by AK1984 on Feb 14, 2012 9:57 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I wonder if people like Camby and even Miller ever do/did anything

like talk to team mates about OTHER ways of doing things…seems like it would be really hard to resist saying something if they know something that is BETTER than what Nate is spewing.

And I kind of wonder if that has something to do with Miller being traded…for FELTON….

by Natsthecat on Feb 14, 2012 12:31 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Dang, I just dished four recs in a row.

That whole sub thread needs to be green.

Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!

by HailOden! on Feb 14, 2012 2:04 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Phil Jackson seems to be light years wiser than Nate.

He is also older…so there is that. But I’d rather not wait around till Nate sees the light.

by Natsthecat on Feb 14, 2012 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I've never heard Nate espouse the benefits of LSD

So until I do, I think the Zen Master will always be wiser.

The smarter you are, the more likely you are to be tripping balls at any given moment.
/keep Batum/ /trade for Bogut/

by gtbassett on Feb 14, 2012 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

it is the lack of consistency in his decision making and accountability that is so frustrating. Some guys have a blank check and some guys have a short leash and there is NO reason for it.

by ripcitymilehigh on Feb 14, 2012 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Honestly, they're both the problem.

I’m all for firing Nate and hiring an up-and-comer — such Michael Malone, Mike Budenholzer, David Joerger, or Chris Finch — or a down-tempo, methodical Xs & Os veteran coach, Mike Fratello, who deserves another shot.

However, firing McMillan and replacing him won’t change the fact that Nicolas Batum can’t effectively play the 2 on offense. Indisputably, Batum has got a high dribble, a slow first step the rare times puts the ball on the floor, and is a weak finisher at the cup. This is a kid who needs to be assisted on a vast majority of his shot attempts, as well as rarely assists others; ergo, he’s neither a shot creator nor a facilitator, which are must-have qualities at the 2.

by AK1984 on Feb 14, 2012 3:05 AM PST reply actions  

I don't disagree with your assertions about Batum

But do you think Matthews is any better than Batum at any of those areas that you point out? And isn’t Batum at least a better spot up shooter than Matthews? Not sure that flip flopping those two in the rotation doesn’t make us at least marginally better.

#52

by blazermaniac32 on Feb 14, 2012 5:12 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Do you think any of these areas are coachable?

Nic does make decent alley oop passes…I’ve seen some. Didn’t he play the 2 for the French team?

by Natsthecat on Feb 14, 2012 12:51 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Maybe Camby & Kurt Thomas

can get Stan Van Gundy to come to Portland

"We gotta get this $#!^ together guys!" - Phil

by 420Phenom on Feb 14, 2012 8:13 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

the bit about the assistedness is true

but lots of 2s depend on assists…Rudy, Hamilton, Miller….you have 2 types of 2s…shooting guards and off guards. Nic is more the shooting guard type.

Heck, Matthews is a classic shooting guard (who can’t shoot all of a sudden) not enough handles to consistently create….classic.

The point is, Nic can do what Matthews does…and he can rebound the ball better (and shoot better too…this season). There is no evidence that Nic should have fewer minutes….he is better than Matthews (as much as I like Wes).

by ripcitymilehigh on Feb 14, 2012 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree wholeheartedly that Nicolas Batum is far better than Wesley Matthews, but they're both 3s ...

in my eyes. Yet, if you play a guy like Batum or Matthews at the 2, then a shot creator/facilitator is needed at the 3 to add balance. Gerald Wallace, however, is not that type of 3.

by AK1984 on Feb 14, 2012 11:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Problem is, one of them has to play the 2

and it has to be next to Wallace. It’s just a poorly built roster, and we gotta get the best talent on the floor.

Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!

by HailOden! on Feb 14, 2012 11:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow, Nic Batum has become quite a hot button issue for McMillan.

For better or worse, all of his chips are in with the inconsistent triplet of Wallace, Crawford and Felton. Wait…add Matthews too. Heh, Nate’s the typical stubborn man who won’t ask for directions. Let’s see how this plays out…

by Stryder9 on Feb 14, 2012 5:56 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

The coach doesn't ask for directions

he gives them

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Feb 14, 2012 8:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes

An then doesnt take responsability for those directions. Hit shots, make plays….he throws the guys under the bus all the time. How about, my rotations stick, I didnt change fast enough, i forgot i didnt need a time out to get a rebounder into the game. I screwed up in shipping Miller out of here, im not a good developer of talent, not my job. He constantly makes excuses.

by Cabbol on Feb 14, 2012 9:18 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

that would be blood in the water for media and fans

best he just holds his ground. If he admits his mistakes you all aren’t just going to give him a hug and say “there there Nate”. It may be hard for you to understand, but from his perspective things can most definitely get worse.

by poorwebguy on Feb 14, 2012 9:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, it's hard to toe the line between admitting a mistake -- of which there are many -- and ...

not coming across as weak. That’s why it’s up to the head honcho, Paul Allen, to do a proper job evaluation on his employees. Do I feel that Allen is capable of that? Well, not really; he’s no Mark Cuban, who knew when it was time to part ways with Avery Johnson. Like the “Little General” did in Dallas, “Sarge” has appeared to have flamed out in Portland.

by AK1984 on Feb 14, 2012 9:53 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Could be a few things going on

1) Vet sports commentator in area calling for Batum to play SG. I’m sure Nate is just thrilled w/the constant sniping from one who likely has access to Nate’s bosses.
2)Ego. I don’t know about you,but I tend to get a little snippy when people who don’t have my job tell me how to do it.(Esp if the offspring of a female dog is right :) .)
3)Wes and Gerald. If,and I don’t know,so a big if,Nate pushed hard for those two players and ends up having to start Batum over either,his credibility in assessing players w/in the GM Committee takes a big hit. If he got it wrong on this,why should they listen to him on the next decision?
4)Over familiarity. Quite often a team will focus/obsess on what a player can’t do,not what he can. In may well be Nate looks at Batum and sees the inconsistency,the silly turnovers,the drifting in games and doesn’t see how to tap the potential. He’s focusing on what Batum isn’t doing rather than on what he could.(And if you’re trying to win now,understandable. Long term,big problem.)

by Tisbee on Feb 14, 2012 9:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Forgot to add Batum was a PA pick

And anything that calls into question Nate’s handling of Batum has the potential of drawing some uncomfortable questions from the ultimate Boss.

by Tisbee on Feb 14, 2012 9:56 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

While I don't dispute that the ego/credibility points may be true

They really would reflect poorly on Nate, especially considering that Nic’s been on the team four years now. As much as it may hurt to admit an error, it’s really nothing compared to the long term benefit to the team.

I do think the “constant sniping” question shouldn’t really factor in. Unless Nate is spending his time lurking on BE or the olive boards, this “sniping” consists of having to answer one or two questions from the Quick/Freeman/Eggers/Golliver crew every couple days at most, and probably less than that, to be honest. While I’m sure they ask questions about Nic after good performances, it’s hard for me to believe it’s a constant daily thing, and if that’s enough to get on his nerves, I don’t know what to say.

Sure, it seems like the arguments get played out to us who spend copious amounts of time here, but I’d guess meetings with the coaching staff play out a little differently than a BE convo.

by Royster on Feb 14, 2012 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Unless Nate is spending his time lurking on BE or the olive boards, this "sniping" consists of having to answer one or two questions from the Quick/Freeman/Eggers/Golliver crew every couple days at most, and probably less than that, to be honest.

Yeah, I also think that it’s easy to get perspective skewed from reading online communities. I doubt Nate deals with too much daily except some reporter questions. And while a few reporters have questionable behavior, most seem pretty reasonable when you see them on live video.

by Timmay! on Feb 14, 2012 10:56 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I think Nate is pretty aware of the criticism.

I think this interview is really a reaction to Quick’s column the other day about changing the lineup. As I said then, that column would only make Nate dig-in, and avoid making changes for a while longer, whereas he might have been ready to make changes had the column not been written. He’s not going to let it appear that sportswriters are telling him what to do.

"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Feb 14, 2012 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

While I don't necessarily disagree with you...

..if Nate lets a column from Quick have any effect at all on his coaching decisions, that’s a big knock on him as a coach.

by Timmay! on Feb 14, 2012 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Well if Nate gets sick of having to deal with the press in post game interviews...

maybe one of AK1984’S suggested coaches would be happy to relieve him of this.

such Michael Malone, Mike Budenholzer, David Joerger, or Chris Finch — or a down-tempo, methodical Xs & Os veteran coach, Mike Fratello, who deserves another shot.

by Natsthecat on Feb 14, 2012 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I believe he's done the same thing before ref: Miller/Blake

"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Feb 14, 2012 5:11 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, I can see Nate being put off by Jason Quick suggesting a lineup change.

McMillan is a prideful guy, even too much so. Because of that, he doesn’t want to look like his hand was called for him.

by AK1984 on Feb 14, 2012 11:25 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Time for a Nic to pull a Dre and have it out with Nate.

Don’t see this happening from a guy like Nic, but it turned things for the better for Dre and the team. I think Nate needs someone to earn his respect sometimes.

Dre ain't got no love for these pros

by Coastie07 on Feb 14, 2012 8:15 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

I kind

of agree, but It also got Miller traded. I have no doubt that Nate pushed to get rid of Miller. Miller didnt do what Nate wanted. Felton and Crawford are Nates call, hes feeling the pressure for pushing for this. Just think how much better this team would be with Miller and Faried right now. Batum gets mixed in because he is behind Nates guys. Everytime you mention Batum it just reminds nate of the poor move he pushed.

by Cabbol on Feb 15, 2012 9:11 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

i still wonder how much Roy's expected return factored into trading Miller

had management know Roy was going to retire, or had he retired after the Dallas series, maybe we ride out Miller’s contract this year – after all, he and the team had pretty a pretty good flow going when Roy was out last year, but every time he came back, there were bumps in the adjustment process.

(this is not a reflection on Roy, just on Roy/Miller together).

"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave

by douglast on Feb 15, 2012 9:30 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

That really would be the height of incompetent management

I understand fan sentiment and all, but banking on a guy in Roy’s condition to be a such a major component of the team that you adjust your personnel for it? There were maybe a handful of games last year where Roy showed that he could have that kind of impact, which is great, but not something you bank on. And even at best, it’s known that his condition was degenerative and even in the best case scenarios, his knees were going to wear down a lot faster than Andre and GW would age.

Brandon was a great player, and it may have been worth taking an extremely expensive flyer on him and not amnestying him, but good teams don’t rely on guys coming back from severe injuries. Look at the Phoenix Suns with Grant Hill or the Pistons/Hawks with T-Mac. If either of those guys hadn’t have made a comeback, no biggie. They weren’t clearing out the roster for them.

I think there are valid arguments for the trade, but it’s an understatement at this point to say they’ve been wrong so far. Accommodating Brandon, on the other day, would definitely not be a valid reason in my eyes, though.

by Royster on Feb 15, 2012 9:55 AM PST up reply actions  

This team was built around BRoy

Bring up the sad music. Sad.

LaMarcus "Macrohard" Aldridge

by LaoTzu on Feb 15, 2012 12:10 PM PST up reply actions  

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