OT: Moving to Portland (need your help ...)
Hello all. My wife and I have toyed with the idea of moving to PDX for sometime now. Now that I am finally finishing up all my gradschooling, the time seems ripe for a move this summer. Ergo, we are trying to make some connections now in order to pursue job opportunities and living situations. Considering the great diversity on this site, I thought what a great place to put some feelers out. Read on below for a little bit about myself and my wife. If you know of anything we should look at, or anyone we should talk to, please let me know.
(If some people could rec this so it stays up for a bit, I would appreciate it. I will delete the post when it appears (if any) responses have slowed.)
Me: I graduated June 2011 with a master's degree in social work from the University of Denver. At the end of May I will complete a post-graduate training course in marriage and family therapy at the Denver Family Institute. Since last May I have been working full-time at a child placement agency in Colorado Springs doing individual and family therapy with kids/teens in foster care, and in-home family therapy services to prevent out-of-home placement for families at risk. I am interested in the mental health field first and foremost (particularly marriage and family therapy), but I am open to most any kind of social work opportunity as well. I have been researching the field in the area and a few organizations that stand out include Morrison Child and Family Services, LifeWorks NW, and YouthVillages (formerly ChristieCare). If you have worked for or utilized services from these agencies or others like them, I would love to hear about your experience.
My wife: She has worked as a music teacher for 8 years now in Colorado Springs: The first 2 years were in elementary schools, the last 6 have been as a choir conductor at a 5A school in Colorado Springs (the largest classification). She received her musical education and training from St. Olaf College. I am a biased non-expert, but she is very talented and very very good at what she does. She has a particular interest right now in returning to the elementary level since we have 2 young children (2.75 years old, and 3 months). The high school level is very demanding of time outside of normal working hours, and she would like to focus more on family (as would I) at this time, though I think she would be open to most any opportunity that would get us out there. Through a contact in the West Linn-Wilsonville SD, we know about 2 new elementary schools that are opening that she will be pursuing. But any other advice on schools/districts that value the arts and support music and schools would be very helpful. We have been counseled in the past to stay away from Portland Public Schools, but perhaps there are good schools within the district that would be better than others as far as music and the arts? (And if anyone can explain WHY we should stay away from PPS, that might help as well. My cursory understanding is that budget is a constant mess, so programs and particularly arts are always being cut.)
Lastly, as mentioned above we have 2 young children, and hope to have more. We would love some advice on inexpensive family friendly neighborhoods. We will probably want to be convenient to wherever we get jobs, but as new residents of the city we would also like to be able to experience all the fun things that Portland has to offer. We live in the burbs right now, and I think we're interested in something more urban going forward, but would be open either way. I grew up in the SW hills in the Bridlemile school area and have fond memories, but perhaps that would be a little more isolated than we want right now as we get to know the city again.
We will be visiting family in the area March 22-31 for my wife's spring break, and we would love to drop some resumes and make some contacts while we are there. Thanks for bearing with this off-topic post, and I am so looking forward to everyone's responses.
(Also, if anyone has tix to the OKC game on March 27th they don't think they'll use, I might be interested ... ;) )
Sincerely,
Bfan
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The Hawthorne area
From about SE 12th up through 50th is a great area. There are schools all through there, as well as parks, though that pretty much describes a lot of areas.
Not having kids myself, I can’t say anything with certainty, but SE is a great area.
Go Blazers!
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
Did I mention areas?
Jeez, next time I proofread.
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Feb 12, 2012 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
If I was starting over in Portland, I'd look at Hawthorne neighborhood, but around Belmont is also ok.
Depending on your job opportunities I’d also consider a suburb. I live in Sherwood and work in Portland, We have all the fun we want in Portland and we don’t worry about locking our doors.
I live in Sherwood too. And it is a great family area.
The prices are way down from when I bought in Sept of 05. So it is also very affordable. Schools and parks are great and it is only 18 miles from downtown PDX. Takes about 30 mins door to door for Blazer games.
raoulduke is right about doors..left my keys in my front door for A FEW DAYS…couldn’t find them..use the garage most of the time to get in and out..then voila…saw them and nothing was ever taken…
How affordable is Hawthorne?
Are there 3 bedroom (+) houses for rent in the $1000-$1200/mo range?
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
Sounds about right
Maybe a shade more
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Feb 12, 2012 5:11 PM PST up reply actions
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Rent is definitely more than that for a 3 bedroom single family in the Hawthorne. And it is more of a singles area I would think. If you look at Hawthorne and can swing the prices, I would suggest Sellwood instead for a more family oriented area that also has fun things to do in walking distance.
Check craigslist on those areas for pricing. When I lived on in/around Hawthorne it was more like $1500 for a 3 bedroom and that was 7+ years ago. (which was incredibly cheap compared to Boston from where I moved).
by portlandpete on Feb 14, 2012 8:59 AM PST up reply actions
I grew up in SE, living in Eugene now.
I loved it there. It’s close to everything, but is still very neighborhood-y
"Brandon Roy has done this before."
3 word
North East Portland. You can find a lot of good home’s at a reasonable price. There are a lot of good schools and parks thru out, but as the earlier poster said, that describes a lot of Portland. Good luck
Outer NE, below Killingsworth and past 26th.
Inner SE, below 76th, avoiding the Powell/Foster corridor.
FYI — If you are trying to find work in Portland, it works best to already have a job. This is so widely reported, it must be true. Very competitive fields. Make sure of Oregon certifications and do some informational interviews on the scenes here.
Good luck. No Californians.
;)
LaMarcus "Macrohard" Aldridge
What do you mean "it's best to already have a job?"
Do you mean that Portland agencies do not like to hire outsiders?
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
If you don't have a job, somehow that makes you seen as a slacker or less desirable
More so than in other areas.
LaMarcus "Macrohard" Aldridge
That's where I grew up
… and it sure has changed since the 60s! I love going back to the old neighborhood when I get back to Portland each summer to visit my family. Alberta has become very funky, and my old grade school (Kennedy) is even a brewpub!
Even though I grew up down around 35th, a couple blocks off Killingsworth, I might look slightly further east: maybe NE 42nd to 60th, and closer to Fremont. My sis lives at NE 58th and Halsey, and I’ve been amazed at the prices, even in that modest neighborhood!
SE Hawthorne and Belmont are great, but I’d be surprised if they’re affordable neighborhoods these days.
‘Course if you’re looking for a bargain, there’s always Lents…
"Tom Lawson McCall, Governor or Oregon, invites you to visit . . . Washington, Idaho, Nevada, or Afghanistan." --Pair of bumper stickers on our baby blue 1966 Plymouth Fury III when I was growing up in Portland, BC (Before Championship).
Morrison and Kerr
I am a student at PSU’s School of Social Work. I’m aiming for my MSW. I have personally used Morrison, Albertina Kerr, and Lifeworks NW for a couple of my kids. I think a bit higher of Morrison and Kerr, though. Can’t put my finger on why I don’t favor Lifeworks as much, maybe just not the most connected counselor for my sons.
We have used more of Kerr’s services and have neighbors who work for them, too. I’m very impressed with them but their main offices are a bit far out, near the airport.
Also, if you end up being interested in buying a home, I know a really good realtor, actually the Portland Metro Association of Realtor’s 2012 Realtor of the Year (my husband).
Thanks BlazerBarb.
I don’t think we’ll be in the market for a home for awhile. We want to rent and get to know the city better, and also pay down our student loans (don’t know about PSU, but DU was EXPENSIVE!!!). But email me at [gudmund dot lee at gmail dot com]. Always good to know a good realtor.
And thanks for the tips on the agencies. As I am looking at websites Morrison definitely looks like they have their stuff together. And I like that they have their own in-house program evaluation department. I’ll have to look at A. Kerr more closely.
If you hear of anything else through the PSU grapevine, please let me know.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
Tough time for teachers
in Oregon right now – especially elective teachers like music. Budget axe is falling pretty hard.
Yeah.
I am an elementary school teacher. My district has not hired any new teachers in probably three years. We haven’t had a pay raise in five. Good luck though! We need more dedicated music teachers at our level. You may get lucky.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
by OCBlazerFan1 on Feb 13, 2012 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
I used to rent in the Hawthorne area when I was in my 20's
and it was awesome. On the way home from the Bermudian triangle, there was always a random house party to attend and a bush to pee on. If you can afford the area, I suggest living several streets away. As a parent of young children, I suggest the Foster/Powell area from 52nd all the way into Lents. Say what you will, but things are getting better here.
People peeing in bushes is the perfect way to describe Hawthorne...
I’ve seen it more than 3 times in broad daylight and in plain view. If that’s what you guys are looking for, as well as copious drug use, I suggest Hawthorne/Belmont, the Pearl District, N. Portland, etc.
As far as Foster Road, I’ve seen multiple females exposing themselves indecently to passerbys. One was literally wearing only handcuffs, as an officer was chatting with her.
Portland is great! Come on down.
Move to Denver
We already are getting bum rushed by people who aren’t from here. What’s wrong with Denver?
I am from Portland.
I’ve been gone awhile, but most of my family lives there. But thanks for the snarky comment. I hope to meet more hospitable people when we move to town.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
Geez, sorry guy, just sayin' its become a really popular place to live lately.
by Sadportlandfan on Feb 12, 2012 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
it is always portlandia's fault. not sad fan's fault. portlandia. or the weather. never us.
"I told somebody to stop crying," Pendergraph said after the game. "Actually, I told them all to stop crying."
5 nice neighborhoods
Hawthorne is nice with many restaurants and lots of activity plus bike riders galore, it cost more than previous BEdgers have estimated though. Alberta Arts areai n NE is nice as well and has been renovated is the last 10 years, many restaurants as well not quite so busy. SW PDX has a couple area’s such as Multnomah Village much quieter than the other mention area’s. If you want a area that is a easy commute (car) to all area’s West Slope is near the Zoo. North PDX has University Park area which surrounds University of Portland. I like Barbs husband am a Realtor and these area’s seem to be destinations my younger clients seem end up living. If you go to portlandmaps.com and type in a homes address the crime statistics for the last year will show for that address. Best of luck with your move. One more thing, any chance you could bring Andre Miller along with you???
Congratulations on getting your Master's and good luck with the move!
We’ll save you a seat for the championship parade!
Wherever you may be; good night, eeeeeeverybody!
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Feb 13, 2012 9:38 AM PST reply actions
I haven’t lived in Portland since 1999, so my information’s out-of-date
But in my time there, it was NOT a good place to be if you did social work or taught kids. Advertising, graphic design, so-called "creative" big-money jobs were all the rage. If you were at a party and getting along with strangers just fine, but your profession came up and you weren’t one of the Blessed Elect, it was like you’d sprayed yourself with poop mist.
Maybe that’s changed, or maybe I went to the wrong parties back then! But I found things a lot more laid-back and human in Minnesota. In Saint Paul if you learn that someone’s a teacher, your first reaction isn’t "shh, let’s pretend we don’t look down on them" but "hey, cool, what school?" (I married a piano teacher; she does classes privately as it gives her a flexible schedule.) You talk with your mail-delivery guy and he has treats for your dogs. This is changing as it is everywhere – soon all of America will be like Los Angeles – but In parts of Minnesota and Wisconsin there’s still some of that working-schlub community feeling left. Is it in Portland? I didn’t find it when I grew up there. Maybe others have. Good luck to both of you wherever you land!
Steve Goodman lives.
Lived in St. Paul b/f Colorado.
Agree with you on it being a good place. But it’s not home, and neither is CO. Thankfully we’re not looking to impress anyone. We just want to work and play, enjoy life, and raise our kids in the most nurturing environment possible.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
Depends where you work
and want your children to eventually go to school. If you are thinking somewhere near downtown, The Alphabet District in northwest Portland is a great place (Wallace Park, streetcar, Trader Joes, pleasant neighborhoods, the Children’s Theatre, etc). Education wise for your children, I would definitely recommend NE Portland somewhere around Laurelhurst Elementary School and Grant High School, which are located near each other. Housing rental wise, I would recommend Hawthorne or Alberta. The Westmoreland neighborhood is a fantastic culture, great place for kids. In north Portland anywhere near the University of Portland (Very reasonable rental prices)
I can't speak to twinsbrewer's experience in Pdx...
what I CAN speak to is my experience as a native Pdxer, social worker, and part time faculty at the PSU School of Social Work. I think most of Pdx is pretty laid back and definitely leaning toward the 99% side of the ledger. If you go to a Timbers game you’ll see some of what I’m talking about. I wouldn’t say social work jobs are “plentiful” here, but there are a fair number of openings most of the time. Yes, Morrison Center is one of the old guard, well established agencies in town. So, I’d consider them. There are others, as well. You also don’t need to work in Pdx proper. There are agencies throughout the tri county area as well as a bit further out that you should consider.
I can’t comment on the school situation currently. I was fortunate (though not among the wealthy) to be able to attend Chapman grade school and Lincoln Hi and got a terrific education back in the day. My kids attended school in the Beaverton SD and also did well with their educations and careers
My son and this wife live on S.E. Belmont in what’s called the Sunnyside Dist. and they love it. My daughter and her husband live in western Washington county and want to move to the city at some point.
by kuhnsmith on Feb 13, 2012 12:21 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Good post
As for schools, I went to a swank private HS on scholarship, and my brothers to Beaverton/Aloha public schools, and I’m the only one of the bunch without great oozing gobs of money. Most teachers I know say adult involvement matters more than the school does (kids who don’t care about academics can be motivated more easily by good teachers than mediocre ones, but kids whose parents/guardians give them a love for learning will probably do fine anywhere.) Continued success with your work, it’s important.
Incidentally Beaverton was recently named the Least Romantic Town in America (by a poll that put Florida’s Disney World at #1) so apparently any of us who lived there and somehow still managed to find partners willing to put up with us have broken the curve.
Steve Goodman lives.
I applied to PSU ...
This would have all been much easier if I had been accepted there. But DU was fine.
Thoughts on Morrison vs. Albertina Kerr?
And does PSU maintain any job boards that I should be aware of?
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
Music teaching
as has already been mentioned, full-time music teaching positions are rare in Portland schools. There’s a place called Ethos, which is sort of an instructor/student hookup joint with practice rooms. I don’t think anyone is making much money there, but it’s always busy.
My son's about to start kindegarten and the lack of music, art and sports is scary!
Took it for granted when I was in school but guess we’ll have to supplement that with classes at the community center … I don’t mind it’s just a sad state of affairs, that’s all.
I can only comment that I'm jealous!
I always thought I’d get back to Portland at some point (pre-retirement anyway). Somehow, I just keep moving around the midwest though.
At least housing is cheaper here? ;)
The first morning I woke up in Portland, I received an Omen.
I moved to PDX in the summer of ‘96 knowing absolutely nothing about the city. I didn’t even realize that there would be trees in the urban areas until my plane made it’s decent in the evening skies over the city…
I also did not realize the sun would still be up at 9pm in June until my plane made it’s decent in the evening skies over the city. But that’s another story.
When I woke up the next morning, my first order of business was to find an FM radio station for my walkman. (The cassette era had not quite ended yet!) After wandering up and down the dial I stumbled on the now-defunct KUFO, a pretty prototypical hard rock radio station, complete with an obnoxious, overgrown adolescent morning DJ. They just happened to be launching into a series of rude jokes about different communities in the Portland area and the greater Willamette valley. It was in essence a crash course on local stereotypes. Even though the jokes are terrible and in poor taste, they have stuck with me all these years.
[None of the following jokes are NSFBE. However, they are all fairly childish and offensive. You’ve been warned.]
Q: What do you wear to a wedding in Milwaukie?
A: Formal bowling shirts.
Q: Why don’t you ever see nativity scenes in Gresham at Chirstmas time?
A: Because it’s so hard to find three wise men and a virgin.
Q: How do you keep from being robbed in North Portland?
A: Leave.
And in my first introduction to Duck/Beaver rivalries…
Q: Why don’t they let the cheerleaders out on the field at halftime in Corvalis?
A: To keep them from grazing.
In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice they're not.
I have nothing to add other than...
I find it interesting that I’m seriously contemplating a move to Denver. I’ve lived in Portland for nearly all of my 30 some-odd years of life and the thought of living in 300 plus days of sunshine appeals greatly to me.
Ironic.
The lack of rain is one of the things that bothers me about CO. It can get surprisingly brown here. I miss the green, and the rain has always struck me as more peaceful and life-giving than depressing. Denver’s a nice town. But I also have found there to be a bit of a pretentious vibe. Could just be my way of convincing myself to live elsewhere too. But I’ve now lived in 4 places: Anchorage, Twin cities, Portland, and Colorado Springs (with much time spent in Denver). And Denver comes in last of the bunch by a mile.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
I would look at N portland as affordable with kids
BFan:
There are a lot of parts of north portland that are really pretty and affordable for a family with kids. I would also look at SE 50th to 70th along Division or Powell.

































