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The Blazers' Future Regarding Trades

This is a discussion best paired with my thread I posted yesterday about free agent talk where I think people posted a lot of great ideas. More than the standard trade drawers we've seen before, I wanted to look at potential trade ideas in the context of not only the team they create for the time being, but how they may change the team going several seasons forward.

In other words, it may not be that effective to want player X, plug in some deal for him on the trade machine, and post it saying, "Look at how great this team is now!" The fundamental question that needs to be answered is that if a trade is made, does it change the team in way to make them an immediate or projected championship contender, and at what cost? Maybe it's not worth a chance at a championship if it means your team is mired in luxury cap purgatory for several years. In essence, any trade we make should provide a better long-term outlook than blowing the team up, which we have to admit is a legit (albeit painful) option at building a championship team. This discussion deals with trades before this season's deadline.

Okay, gut check time. When we entertain trade ideas to improve this team, what we're really considering are trades that improve a team around Aldridge. Short of those who favor complete disassembly, he's the only player all of us will probably agree is untradeable. Also, I firmly believe that the trades Portland will be trying to make include those for a point guard, or those that will move Wallace. So let's look at those.

Before we figure out who to trade for, we have to examine what assets we have. The way I see it, our biggest assets are our expiring contracts. This is important because it significantly narrows the field of potential teams to entertain trades with. Our next biggest asset is probably Batum. After that, it gets much less appealing with a collection of late draft picks and low-level prospects. I'm also a believer that Matthews is more a trade liability than an asset. So what we really have to offer is cap space and Batum with a dash of prospects and picks.

Acquiring a Point Guard

There are a lot of players we'd like the Blazers to trade for, but few that we actually have a solid chance at acquring. First things first, let's get Nash on the table. He continues to produce at an extremely high level. Not only is this guy having the best shooting season of his career, but still dishing out 10 dimes per. Everything that Portland has wanted in a point guard, Nash is it. If only he wasn't 38. He'd be a low risk option as his contract expires at the end of the year. As John Hollinger already suggested, Portland could rent him and put together a championship run this year with him. It could happen! Nash and Stoudemire were a powerful duo and although they never made it to the finals, they were a playoff force. Perhaps with a better supporting cast, and the fact that Aldridge is better than Stoudemire, this could be a team that finally gets Nash and the Blazers to the Promised Land.

If it doesn't work out, no big deal ‘cause he'd be gone at the end of the season. If the team does have success, maybe you can convince him to come back for a relatively cheap contract (think $8 million range). The crux of the issue here is what do you have to give up in getting him? Conventional wisdom suggests Phoenix will want to trade him as they're really not playoff contenders, and they would want to get something out of him instead of lose him for nothing. I say if that something is Batum, then I'd hesitate. On the other hand, if that something is a collection of young prospects and a draft pick, then go for it. Felton would have to be included in either deal. Problem is, I'm skeptical that Phoenix would do this deal unless they get Batum.

If you could convince them otherwise, this trade could look like this: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6vy82ws, with an unconditional 1st round pick going to Phoenix. Portland would be left with:

PG - Nash (Johnson)

SG - Matthews (Crawford)

SF - Wallace (Batum)

PF - Aldridge (Smith)

C - Camby (Thomas)

After the season, you'd be left to the same free agent possibilities as if you didn't make this trade at all. The big advantage being Nash would have a draw to Portland, and you might get him for cheap. If you could get Nash to come back for $8 million, Wallace left, and you signed Batum's $8 million offer sheet, you'd be left with about $10 million to go out and sign a center like Kaman or Hawes The beauty of this trade, is that it has very low risk of hurting your overall future, with the benefit of a potentially great playoff run this year.

A more likely deal that spares Batum is the following: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7454c9j

The downside here is that you accept the terrible Childress contract. This has more of a potential to hurt Portland in the long run, but I still like it better than giving up Batum. I like this deal much better if you get Robin Lopez as well. Granted he's not a super great starting option, but he would provide some more frontcourt depth. He would also be a cheap signee as added depth for the following season.

A deal that involved Batum that I'd be ready to consider would look like this: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6unpkdn, made even better by the addition of Hill.

Another player that gets some talk is Jose Calderon. I'm always a bit surprised when I see his name come up with such favor. I'll agree that he can give you more than what Felton is giving you now. He's also likely available as Toronto may be looking to dump his salary in favor of making Bayless their guy going forward. This means Portland may be able to grab him with just cap space (Felton). However, despite being in his prime, his production has really leveled off if not declined. His shooting from the field and from long range have gone down in each of the last 5 seasons. He's maintained a good A/T ratio, but he just hasn't been able to return to his form that we saw 3 or 4 seasons ago. Not exactly a guy you want to lock in for $10 million over the next couple years. I would only consider this if it was a straight across deal, Calderon for Felton. My gut tells me that Calderon would just be another name on a long list of failed experiments.

A couple of guys we'd all like to see come this way are Rondo and Curry. The problem here is these teams are not likely to give these guys up for just salary considerations. Contrary to a deal for Nash, both these guys are young enough to where including Batum makes sense for Portland. If only either Golden State or Boston were desperate for a young small forward. I think landing Rondo would've been easier earlier this season when Boston looked like they were down and out. This is generally the impetus for Ainge to get wild ‘n' crazy with trades. When it comes right down to it, these guys are likely not on the market for what Portland has to offer. On the other hand, speaking of Golden State...

A guy that has been rumored to be up for consideration is Monta Ellis. Right off the bat, I don't like him because he's a combo guard. But man, he's a GOOD combo guard. His percentages have dwindled a bit this season, but he's demonstrated solid efficiency for pretty much his entire career. He's a bit of a head case, which is another reason to be leery. When all is said and done though, this is a guy who will pour in more than 20 a night, play aggressive defense, and drop some dimes. Maybe he's worth taking a look at. Hard to figure what Golden State would want. Cap space? Help on the frontline? Both? Perhaps Dorell Wright has fallen out of favor and they would want to try Wallace at that spot. It pains me to say it (even thinking it made me vomit a little), but Golden State may very well want to dump Biedrins. If Portland could put something together that didn't include taking on the contract of Biedrins, I think Ellis is a guy worth going after. If however, the deal is this: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=77nohb3, then I would say, "Thanks, but no thanks."

The above does give Portland two large, expiring contracts in 3 years, but at the cost of locking up your team during that whole time.

PG - Ellis (Smith)

SG - Matthews (Crawford/Williams)

SF - Wallace (Batum)

PF - Aldridge (Smith)

C - Biedrins (Thomas)

Is this what a championship team looks like?

Trading Wallace

Crash could certainly be involved in any trade used to acquire one of the point guards above. There may be some benefit in trading him without getting a specific player in return though. One deal that I was really fond of was one that was rumored to have been discussed before the season began. This was a deal to facilitate Dwight Howard's movement to New Jersey.

In that deal, Portland would have offered up Wallace to Orlando, and received "multiple first round draft picks" in return. I never saw any clarification about the details of those picks though. In reality, what is a plausible way this could work? Maybe where Wallace goes to Orlando, Howard goes to New Jersey, a combination of New Jersey Players (including Lopez and Brooks) go to Orlando, Okur goes to Portland, and Portland gets a 1st round pick from each team in return. Hard for me to believe Orlando is going to entertain any deal giving up Howard if it doesn't also include the dumping of Turkoglu though.

In such a deal, New Jersey certainly gets what they want in a Willimas/Howard combo, and Portland gets a nice combination of cap relief (Okur) and draft picks. The big question is if Orlando getting Wallace, Lopez, Brooks, and any other ancillary players is enough. Should be if they're able to face the reality that their alternative is losing Howard for nothing. My bet is that Orlando will be more stubborn and not trade Howard at all. Other than this, I really can't see Wallace generating much interest with other teams.

Out of all of the above, I like a trade to get Nash the best. Giving up Batum would be a pretty steep price, and so I'd want Portland to get Hill and/or Lopez with that as well. Getting Nash this season and somehow retaining him while picking up one of the better free agent centers in the offseason would be the best of all worlds, albeit very far reaching.

The Nash trade would be good, even if the eventual plan was to blow the team up. I'm not a huge fan of disassembly, but I also understand that it's a harsh reality we're likely to face. This trade gives us one more chance to make a run before the blow-up comes.

What do you all think? Combined with what was discussed in the free agent thread, what do you see as the best trade move(s) for Portland before the deadline? This isn't a trade drawer, mind you! Quality over quantity, please. If you're going to post a trade, please include a serious discussion of how it affects the future of this team down the road.

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No Nash, there is no way he helps us. His production will slow down eventuality since he is 38. I don’t think there is enough pieces to get to the WCFs anyways. Jose sounds appealing but I think he’s injury prone. Both Ellis and Curry are very streaky shooters and Ellis can be shoot you out of the game in a blink of an eye. As for Deron/Howard, it could be hit or miss. I rather see them go to Dallas. In NBA 2K12, I traded Camby, Wallace, and Babbitt in return for Lou Williams and Andre Iguodala.

by lawalteral14 on Feb 11, 2012 10:04 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Yeah I know. Video games are my escape from the real world.

by lawalteral14 on Feb 11, 2012 1:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh, good

This is the real world, so please escape.

by ORDucktape on Feb 11, 2012 4:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Disagree, and here's why:

No Nash, there is no way he helps us. His production will slow down eventuality since he is 38.
Age is just a number. Here are some others:
57% (Nash’s FG percentage), 46% (Nash’s 3-point percentage), 10 (Nash’s assists per game), 15 (Nash’s points per game), 24.2 (Nash’s PER). Nash makes this team an immediate contender. Sure his production will eventually slow down, but it’s NOT slowing down. This is a “for the moment” type of acquisition with a little bit of upside.

Jose sounds appealing but I think he’s injury prone.
Ughh… For reasons already stated (steadily declining production, mostly), I can not get excited about him.

Both Ellis and Curry are very streaky shooters and Ellis can be shoot you out of the game in a blink of an eye.
They’re two of the best scoring guards in the league. Aren’t you tired of seeing Portland’s backcourt single-handedly lose games for them? Curry isn’t even a realistic option, so it’s pointless to even criticize his acquisition.

As for Deron/Howard, it could be hit or miss.
That’s insightful.

I rather see them go to Dallas.
Yeah, me too. ‘Cause nothing helps Portland better than having two of the games’ best players land with one of their conference rivals.

In NBA 2K12, I traded Camby, Wallace, and Babbitt in return for Lou Williams and Andre Iguodala.
Oh, so you thought this discussion was about a video game? Well then hurry up and trade Chris Johnson for Lebron James! I hear Miami needs a big man!

by JDX on Feb 11, 2012 9:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I do not Like Fat Al Jefferson but this trade gets us Nash and gives Utah our upcoming capspace so tell me what you think

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
I think that we would have to be confident that LaMonster can be the Defensive Anchor of this team because Fat Al is a one trick pony

La Illaha Illallah Muhamadur Rasulallah

by AbuFatimah on Feb 11, 2012 11:00 AM PST reply actions  

Bad link btw

With LMA becoming a leader, this Big Al might not be too bad. My fear is that LMA lets Big Al work the low post while he gravites to the high post. Who knows, they might work well next to each other.

by Batumshakalaka on Feb 11, 2012 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Is that a joke?

I’m honestly not sure…

Batum Shakalaka

by WesMoneyy on Feb 11, 2012 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

It wasnt supposed to be

If we are willing to take on the outrageous salary commitment which is known as AJ

La Illaha Illallah Muhamadur Rasulallah

by AbuFatimah on Feb 11, 2012 6:31 PM PST up reply actions  

nonetheless

It was pretty hilarious. Does the completion of this deal depend on sending Tonya Harding to kidnap Jeff Miller’s children first?

I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.

by dogbert on Feb 13, 2012 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

no

They can pay all that money if they want and stunt the growth of their promising top 5 pick big men
Be my guest
just offering them a lifeline

La Illaha Illallah Muhamadur Rasulallah

by AbuFatimah on Feb 13, 2012 1:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh man... only two posts into it and I'm getting the feeling this thread isn't turning out how I hoped it would.

Did I miss the press release where Jefferson and Millsap shopped in a Walmart on Sunday (or whatever else is bad enough to get you kicked out of Utah these days)?

I see no reason why Utah wants to unload their two best players. Jefferson and Millsap are young, and they’re playing great together. Utah’s struggles aren’t because of them, it’s because they lack a backcourt presence. Maybe this trade occurs in the parallel universe where Karl Malone takes control of the Jazz, and in a final stab at revenge, trades away their best players to not only a conference, but a division rival.

by JDX on Feb 11, 2012 9:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I was basing it on what I have Heard out of Salt Lake the past year and a half

That they figured out why the Wolves gave him away for FREE and are looking for a new sucker to pay his contract

La Illaha Illallah Muhamadur Rasulallah

by AbuFatimah on Feb 11, 2012 11:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Heard from whom?

I guess you could argue that Jefferson is a bit overpriced, but with only two years left on his contract, and the level that he’s playing at, wouldn’t you want him? If there’s a two year contract Utah is looking to dump, it’s Harris, not Jefferson.

Not to mention the addition of Millsap… yikes! Plus Phoenix takes on Harris, gives up Nash, and only gets Armon Johnson in return? Double yikes!!

Food for thought when using the trade machine: If the deal nets your team more than 20 extra wins, then it’s not a trade that will happen (aka, if it seems too good to be true, then it probably is).

by JDX on Feb 12, 2012 12:31 AM PST up reply actions  

they'll probably want to dump both of them at some point

to make room for their future frontcourt of favors & kanter. if they do that, though, I’m pretty sure they’ll expect a young, near-elite point guard in return, since that’s the only position in their future starting line-up that hasn’t been filled.

"Wide, girthy. Just like a Rhino. Sometimes my horns are visible."

by YoniRap on Feb 12, 2012 8:04 AM PST up reply actions  

I actually can see this trade working out(Utah,PHX,Portland)

This is assuming that Batum would resign and that Nash would as well taking a 1 yr salary.
But in return PHX would get a couple draft picks.

At some point I think utah will fall out of playoff contentions. They have not had a difficult schedule thus far and they are finally about to hit a crucial part of their schedule. Just like what Denver had to this point. They started dropping games their last 7.

At some point Utah will realize that they will need to cut coast and that their young bigs will need te mins to develop and grow (just like how Zbo was trade).

If this trade were to happen, I see Al Jefferson getting traded the next yr. to create cap space for 2013 FA. Which is thought to be stronger than 2012.

But anyways, I would be in favor of Nash being a Blazer. He gives this team better chances to win and gives this team the flexibility that it has never had before, in a win now mode but the flexibility to restart in the summer. Or even make another push next yr.

by Hoi on Feb 12, 2012 8:35 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I as well see it as a trade that gives all the teams what they want

I dont pay attention to that computer nerd mumbo jumbo that the trade machine says about wins
Maybe I should but I dont, I base it on what the teams want and need in relation to their financial and competitive positions

La Illaha Illallah Muhamadur Rasulallah

by AbuFatimah on Feb 12, 2012 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Something like this is more realistic.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=73n8p3n, with a draft pick going from Portland to Utah. Now that’s only IF Utah were desperate to dump Jefferson.

Still highly unlikely given all teams involved are division or conference rivals. This locks in Portland to this team, and they’d have to pray they could sign Nash back for another year.

by JDX on Feb 12, 2012 8:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Am I in crazy land?

If the Jazz were interested in a 2013 FA pool, then why would they dump a contract set to expire right at the onset of that offseason? Moreover, if the 2013 FA poll is better than the 2012 FA pool (as you say), why trade your biggest 2013 expiring contract for 3 contracts that expire in 2012 (one with a player option)?

According to that logic, they wouldn’t want to trade Al, but rather just let his contract expire. Not only that, but what would possess them to add Millsap onto that deal (another 2013 expiring contract)?

You made the analogy to Zbo. This simply isn’t a fair comparison. Not even close. We traded Randolph plus Fred Jones and some foreign player I can’t even remember, for cap space (Stevie Franchise), Frye, and a draft pick. What you’re suggesting here is that Utah trade Al (like Zbo), in addition to giving up the best player on their team, for nothing but expiring contracts and the ability to give up Harris (yet another contract that expires in 2013!). To a division rival no less! Not only did Portland trade Zbo out of the division (smartly), but out of the conference. What is suggested above isn’t like Zbo at all.

I don’t put it past Utah wanting to move Al. That’s not what I’m suggesting. What I am saying is that if they move him, they’re going to want something in return, not give something up to make it happen.

by JDX on Feb 12, 2012 7:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah I agree on that.

Probably they just let them both expire in 2013 and give favors and kanter the starting positions then.

"Wide, girthy. Just like a Rhino. Sometimes my horns are visible."

by YoniRap on Feb 12, 2012 8:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Nash is the answer.

Bringing him aboard instantly makes this team a threat in the West. It seems like an eternity since there’s been good shooting at the PG position, especially at distance. If there is any way the Blazers can pick him up this season, then lock him down for 8 million on a two year deal (with one-year extensions until he turns to dust), that would be fantastic.

To those that say he’s too old: look at the numbers. The man is on a lousy team, but he’s still averaging 10 asts per game. His shooting has not tapered off. He’s only missed 2 games in a condensed season, and has been playing between 30 and 40 minutes a night (averaging 31.5).

Where is this mysterious drop-off people have been predicting for the last 5 years? To say that his production is going to fall off is the easiest prediction in the world to make—people get old—but can folks finally admit that Steve Nash is not like other people? He’s one of the best players to ever lace up, and if Stockton played until he was 41, maybe Nash can too.

I’m willing to roll the dice on a living legend for a couple more years.

Doers & Makers > Movers & Shakers

by Adam Randall on Feb 11, 2012 12:19 PM PST reply actions  

Really don't want to lose Batum in the deal though.

I don’t think PHO would bite on your 1st proposal, JDX, but they might be convinced to take this…

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=78c8qvw

Felton + Matthews for Nash. I disagree that Matthews is a trade liability, despite his recent poor efforts. Teams still remember his big nights here and in Utah. Matthews’ age is also a fact in his favor; teams can talk themselves into his reasonable contract based on potential offensive improvement, paired with an already stellar defensive prowess.

With this trade, PHO gets some young talent that they can throw into the starting lineup today, along with an expiring contract, and POR gets the talents at PG that they’ve needed for a long time without creating glaring holes in their roster.

Doers & Makers > Movers & Shakers

by Adam Randall on Feb 11, 2012 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Couldn't agree you more on your analysis of Nash.

As for including Matthews, I’d do it if I were Portland. Just that I’m really not sure Phoenix would. Wes isn’t an “up and comer” any longer. Remember, he was a 4-year man at Marquette (not even playing great there until his senior year). He’s had over 2 seasons now in the NBA, logging significant minutes, and starting the large majority of games. What exactly are we waiting for? He’s 25 and will need to have an amazing second half to this season to approach the numbers he got last year. Those aren’t exactly hallmarks of a guy on the upside with still more to prove.

Ask yourself this: If you were the GM of the Suns, would you do that deal? If the answer is yes, then you’re a more optimistic fellow then me. My guess is that if I, as a humble fan, don’t anticipate significant improvement, why would the GM for Phoenix?

by JDX on Feb 11, 2012 10:16 PM PST up reply actions  

If I'm the GM for Phoenix, I'm looking to the summertime with hungry eyes, and holding my nose for the rest of the season.

Matthews can be a solid role player for them going forward, and gives them some much needed defense at the guard position. I don’t foresee significant offensive improvement in his future, but I think he’ll find some consistency as the years go by and he learns his role.

Doers & Makers > Movers & Shakers

by Adam Randall on Feb 12, 2012 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Matthews needs to play next to a good point guard(Like he did with Deron Williams in Utah)

and Andre last year. Makes him much more effective.

"We gotta get this $#!^ together guys!" - Phil

by 420Phenom on Feb 12, 2012 7:08 PM PST up reply actions  

If Matthews doesn't bring them to the table, I bet Crawford would.

Unfortunately, I can’t check the trade because of Crawford’s exception, but the salaries fit fine.

Crawford wouldn’t replace the lost offense, but he’d certainly soften the blow and give the Phoenix fans somebody to get behind. Better still, he walks at the end of the season, leaving them with enough flexibility to do a complete rebuild.

I’m sure Crawford would be in heaven with nobody to compete for shots with.

Doers & Makers > Movers & Shakers

by Adam Randall on Feb 12, 2012 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Hah!

You’re right about that! Crawford would have a heyday in Phoenix. I hope you’re right about Wes Money’s trade value. I really do.

by JDX on Feb 12, 2012 7:21 PM PST up reply actions  

The Smartest move the Blazers can make is trading Gerald Wallace and Felton

for as much as you can possibly get. Otherwise you risk losing them both for nothing. this would be especially bad if Blazers lose in the free agent race.

by tyeforshee on Feb 11, 2012 1:58 PM PST reply actions   3 recs

I agree with this post.

rec.

"We gotta get this $#!^ together guys!" - Phil

by 420Phenom on Feb 11, 2012 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

me too

I could see Phoenix trading Nash for Wallace, Felton and maybe one of your young guys.

I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.

by dogbert on Feb 13, 2012 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with trading Wallace to the highest bidder...

… but not necessarily Felton. I wouldn’t mind seeing Wallace go for any combination of prospects, picks, or cap space, simply for the fact that his contract is a bit troublesome. I want them to declare Batum one way or the other, and the only way to do that is to make him the guy.

Felton’s contract is not troublesome. If he still plays below expectations, you’re done with him. You get his cap space, and you can move on. That being said, I’m in favor of involving him in any deal that could land you a legit guard right now (read Nash, Ellis, etc.).

by JDX on Feb 11, 2012 10:20 PM PST up reply actions  

What do you mean, "agree to take Wright?"

He’s not a player that GS is just looking to dump. He’s a decent young player with a favorable contract. The only reason I mentioned him in my post was that GS might be looking to upgrade to a tougher, better rebounder, better “hustle-guy” at that spot (e.g. Wallace).

I don’t see how Batum is really an upgrade for them, over Wright. In the end, nothing Portland could offer is enough for them to give up Curry. Think of it this way: Curry for them is kind of like Aldridge for us. He’s the player they value the most and want to build around. If they’re going to trade Curry, they’re going to want significant compensation. Not compensation that can even be remotely construed as a lateral movement.

Now, if you take your trade, and change it to Felton, Wallace, Williams, for Ellis and Wright, now that might be something they’d consider. http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=79onh84
Just…. not…. Biedrins. Oops, there’s that vomit again.

In that trade, Portland gets their backcourt scoring option, and a solid 6/7th man. GS gets a good young prospect at the position they’re losing, $7.5 million in definite cap space (potential of $15 million), and a more tenacious player on their frontline. I could see either team giving up draft picks to facilitate.

by JDX on Feb 11, 2012 10:33 PM PST up reply actions  

My bad

I thought Dorell Wright sucks
I didnt want him on the squad and thought we were doing them a favor to take his inflated deal
They can keep him

La Illaha Illallah Muhamadur Rasulallah

by AbuFatimah on Feb 11, 2012 11:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't get me wrong, he's not great or anything.

Just look at his stats. Wright is kind of to GS’s small forward spot as Matthews is to Portland’s shooting guard spot. The major difference is that Wright cost’s about half as much.

It’s like this: I proposed that Matthews is a trade liability due to his contract value, length, and performance. Now turn the tables and give Matthews a 2-year, $7.6 million contract instead of a 4-year $26 million contract. Quite a bit different. Suddenly you don’t mind so much that he’s under performing ‘cause he’s not burning a hole in your wallet.

by JDX on Feb 12, 2012 12:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Theres no way GS dumps curry...

Not for Batum, not for Felton or Wallace. They were dangling him for cp3 type player. They would dump Ellis before curry.

by Hoi on Feb 12, 2012 8:39 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

only thing is that nobody in the NBA wants Ellis

maybe they can trad him to china for Chandler?

La Illaha Illallah Muhamadur Rasulallah

by AbuFatimah on Feb 12, 2012 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

NOBODY WANTS ELLIS???

I live in the Bay Area and get to watch every Warriors game. I would welcome Ellis to the Blazers with open arms. I would easily make a trade involving G.W. and Mathews for Ellis.

We could also draft Austin Rivers. Who would be available when the Blazers pick in the draft, He is projected to be a mid round pick. He will be a star in the league.

by quezadaz21 on Feb 12, 2012 9:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Haven't watched college much.

Does Rivers pass?
What’s the knock on Ellis anyway?

by gunballs on Feb 13, 2012 7:18 PM PST up reply actions  

?

The knock on Ellis is that he is a Combo Guard who can score the ball but thats pretty much it. Golden State will get rid of him because they feel he and Curry cant co exist.

Rivers isnt a great Passer now (Averages 3 ast per game)
but neither was Curry his first 2 years at Davidson. So who knows how it will transition to the NBA.

by quezadaz21 on Feb 14, 2012 12:26 AM PST up reply actions  

I should be the Blazers GM

This works for all teams
Blazers Get: Rondo, Marion, Allen
Celtics Get: Wallace, Matthews, Smith, Beaubois
Dallas Get: Felton
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=753nlgh
New Team:
PG: Rondo, Williams
SG: Allen, Crawford
SF: Batum, Marion
PF: Aldridge, Rhino
C: Camby, Thomas

by BestBlazerFan on Feb 11, 2012 4:19 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

How does this work for Boston?

They’ve traded their best young player (i.e. they’re “Aldridge”) AND $10 million in cap space for nothing but two underachievers (one of which has an option on his contract), one prospect that’s not so great, and one prospect that is decent.

Now, I will admit that Ainge is a crazy man. He’s definitely pulled off moves that leave people shaking their heads. I think a trade for Rondo would’ve been entertained by him if the Celtics had continued to play poorly. Given they’re still in playoff contention, I don’t see Ainge blowing up the team. Such a trade, though, would’ve had to include significant cap space, draft picks, and Portland’s best prospects. It would also likely need to involve a third team looking to give up a contract they don’t want, to be accepted by Portland.

For example, something like this: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7tev3fp, with two unconditional 1st round draft picks from Portland going to Boston, would really only be entertained by Boston if they were near the bottom of the conference, and if NO really wanted to dump salary and go with their younger guys.

by JDX on Feb 11, 2012 11:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Again no way Boston trade rondo for...

Felton. When they were dangling him for cp and Westbrook.

by Hoi on Feb 12, 2012 8:41 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Well there's no way they trade him at all when they're playoff bound.

Especially as he just dialed up a triple double in a win over a Rose-less Chicago.

More so than any other GM in the league, Ainge is willing to make deals that aren’t popular, and that are largely unproven. He bet all of his team’s stock and future that two older veterans, at risk for going into the downturn of their careers, could be coupled with Pierce for a championship. He was right. He also traded one of his key franchise pieces and muilt-year all-star (Walker) for practically nothing. He was wrong. Perhaps a decision that makes him all the more likely to trade Rondo for nothing other than pure talent.

My point is, what looks like a bad trade to you or me doesn’t matter. It may look like solid gold to Ainge.

by JDX on Feb 12, 2012 7:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Why would Dallas

(or anyone) give up anything for Felton?

I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.

by dogbert on Feb 13, 2012 12:14 PM PST up reply actions  

BestBlazerFan 4G.M.

lets make it official!

La Illaha Illallah Muhamadur Rasulallah

by AbuFatimah on Feb 11, 2012 6:32 PM PST reply actions  

Thanks

But im a self made genius

by BestBlazerFan on Feb 11, 2012 6:48 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I will take a genius anyway I can get him

BBF4G.M.

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by AbuFatimah on Feb 11, 2012 8:33 PM PST up reply actions  

This wrong on so many levels

but just for s’s and g’s, if you switch the EFG% of Felton and Nash on Feltons FGA the Blazers would have scored 116 more points, or about 4.3 more per game.

by wilson7117 on Feb 11, 2012 6:54 PM PST reply actions  

Felon is worthless and we can't get anything of value for him

Felon should just be cut. Anybody is better than Felon. Armon Johnson is better than Felon.

Ok I changed my signature. Do you like it better now?

by scaredcow on Feb 11, 2012 7:33 PM PST reply actions  

Nash ftw!

OSU '06
GForce Crash Wallace FTW!

by TyboOSU on Feb 11, 2012 11:37 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Here is my Plan

Assuming we keep blowing up games in the forth quarter and losing them, and stay from the 10-8 position in the west until the dead line. I say do this
Best case Scenario: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7atfalx
Link for why the Bucks would consider trading BJ:http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2012/2/10/2789309/brandon-jennings-milwaukee-bucks-free-agency
Another Best case Scenario: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7ghdogv
Another Good Trade: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=82p6z2v
Throw in cash, and draft picks

OK Trades: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6vmagy6
Beaubois learns from Nash, and plays around 20 minutes each night, some times start if Nash is tired/ resting, got to keep him fresh for the playoffs.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=88ftblx its on the ok category because he is still a kid mentally.

Trades that are more likely to happen:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7jw5d4c

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7s6p3nx

by BestBlazerFan on Feb 12, 2012 6:54 AM PST reply actions  

So we are trading for Jeremy Lin?

"Tommy: Did you hear I finally graduated?
Richard Hayden: Yeah, and just a shade under a decade too. All right. "

by jbay4 on Feb 12, 2012 11:32 AM PST reply actions  

it makes me wonder

if we have a Jeremy Lin on our bench and don’t know it. Nate’s attitude towards rookies and playing time makes me wonder if it’s worth the bother of drafting anyone.

At this point, I can’t see much harm in giving Nolan Smith and Elliot Williams a lot more playing time and giving them a lot of Felton’s minutes, and maybe some of Matthews minutes.

I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.

by dogbert on Feb 13, 2012 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

This has probably been covered somewhere else and I missed it

But why wouldn’t Greg Oden’s "setback" salary reduction have given us $7 million or so to add a free agent or be used as salary space in a trade? Just curious. (I am asking on both related posts)

by Ragermack on Feb 12, 2012 1:47 PM PST reply actions  

Lakers

Need a pg and sf. I think Felton does have some value as its obvious he along with a long line PF pg have trouble under Nates bizarre system. Felton, Wallace and camby gets you gasol. He make a three way and package gasol and batum for curry, Beidrens and wright. This works for everyone. Gs becomes very formidable and la makes run this year plus gets cap room next. We get pg and solid sf.

by Cabbol on Feb 12, 2012 3:18 PM PST reply actions  

??

Why would you wanna make that deal???
Your Basically trading Felton, Wallace, Batum and Camby for Curry, Beidrens and Wright…

1. Beidrens is no good. I would rather have a 50 year old Camby
2. Wright is kinda like a Martell Webster/ Travis Outlaw type. He is young but has been in the league for a while. He probably wont get a lot better than he is now. Which is a decent 3 point threat and thats it.

Curry is good but he isnt worth blowing up the team for. Just draft Austin Rivers!!!

by quezadaz21 on Feb 12, 2012 9:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Wallace to NJ

Something like Wallace, Johnson & Johnson, and a second rounder for Farmar, Petro, Shawne Williams, and their unprotected 1st round pick. Clears salary cap space for them to get Howard. If Wallace opts in, he and Morrow would be a great complement to Howard and Williams.

The main draw for us is the pick, which we could use to pickup a decent perimeter player or maybe a center. Farmar would be a good backup if Felton improves, or the starter if not. If I’m getting really ambitious I ask for Lopez, but I’d take this deal.

Maybe we could trade Felton to the Lakers for a first round pick and their trade exception if they get really desperate.

by AJB2 on Feb 12, 2012 3:53 PM PST reply actions  

Draft!!

Trade for another 1st round pick… Get Austin Rivers and Mason Plumlee. They both will be available toward the middle of the draft.

DRAFT RIVERS!!!!

by quezadaz21 on Feb 12, 2012 5:09 PM PST reply actions  

and then

give him 3 mins/game for 4 years to see if he turns into a superstar?

I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.

by dogbert on Feb 13, 2012 12:21 PM PST up reply actions  

guys like Austin Rivers don't get buried, even by Nate

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Feb 13, 2012 12:42 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

He will play

NO WAY he sits on the bench. We always miss on the Draft. If he is available and we dont choose him I will be soo pissed off.

by quezadaz21 on Feb 14, 2012 12:28 AM PST up reply actions  

I Agree

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=85dnco7 make a trade like this and get thier first round pick in the deal.

by billyjoejack on Feb 13, 2012 1:00 AM PST reply actions  

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=824wte3 Portland need to find a trade partner that is willing to give up a first rd. pick. in a trade. The buck pick would be great to have. For the right player portland could get a first round pick.

by billyjoejack on Feb 13, 2012 1:24 AM PST reply actions  

bbf4gm

I honestly think portland is waiting to try and get him. close to his hometown, people here already like him, going to a fast paced team. he’d spread the floor since he can hit the 3. Not the best attitude but i really like brooks on our team. How much are the blazers even trying to trade? seems like they are still hoping felton fits.

by ripcitymadness on Feb 13, 2012 6:42 PM PST reply actions  

Ellis in intriguing

I would not want to see him playing the point though. He does drop dimes which is good, but I would rather see him alongside Felton. I think he’s intriguing because it seems realistic and we are in desperate need of another scoring option to go alongside of Aldridge. Another scorer would really take the pressure off of whoever else is on the team and currently struggling. I know Curry plays the pick and roll brilliantly, but how is Ellis in that situation? With Ellis we wouldn’t be as much of a post up offense, but can he play in a post offense? Could he play under McMillain? Just some questions I would have considering this trade.

by gunballs on Feb 13, 2012 7:29 PM PST reply actions  

All good qustions.

None of which I have an answer for. Curry would be great, but Ellis is the guy GS is shopping. Not sure how Ellis would fare in an offense built around Aldridge or how he would fare with McMillan.

If Portland is going to stick with Aldridge (i.e. not blow up the team), then they need to acquire a legit backcourt scoring threat. Note I didn’t say a legit backcourt scorer, but rather just the threat. I don’t necessarily want, nor expect, a guy like Ellis to come in here and get 20+ per game. However Ellis always is a threat to score over 20, easy. Right now, other teams aren’t scared of our backcourt. They don’t have to hurry in rotation and they don’t need to be disciplined when double-teaming Aldridge. That’s a problem. Ellis could be the solution.

by JDX on Feb 13, 2012 11:04 PM PST reply actions  

Watched GS last night a little.

Ellis was struggling, but it didn’t seem to phase him. He kept attacking. We need that kind of mind set.

by gunballs on Feb 14, 2012 8:13 AM PST up reply actions  

unless we get a GM all this trade speculation isn’t going nowhere.. Last trade I remember we did make without a GM was so terrible. So hire someone that can get us some trades like the 07 draft day.

by kevin_lvp on Feb 14, 2012 2:56 AM PST reply actions  

I disagree

something will definitely happen

by L.A.B on Feb 14, 2012 6:48 AM PST up reply actions  

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