WHAT TO DO WITH NIC BATUM BECAUSE WE WILL LOSE HIM IF NOT TRADED.
First of all Batum's agent has already told mgmt that Batum will test the free agent waters before talking with the Blazers. Wallace has already told the Blazers that he will ride his contract out and not opt to be a free agent this summer. EITHER CRASH IS CRAZY OR HE LOVES PORTLAND....i think it's the latter.
Batum is a young long defender who can guard any teams perimeter players and on occasion a few power forwards. It's crystal clear that MGMT prefers Crash and who can blame them. Batum has improved every year since coming into the league and you can guarantee that some team will offer Batum a 5yr....50 million contract. The years can differ but he WILL get a 10 million annual contract because he is worth it and Portland knows it. They pissed Batum off for low balling him. The boys over on espn.com/insider says Portland offered Batum a 3yr 15 million dollar contract with an option for an additional year should Batum want it. HE IS WORTH DOUBLE THAT.
PORTLAND HAS NO CHOICE BUT DEAL BATUM AT THE DEADLINE OR LOSE HIM BECAUSE THEY WILL NOT WANT TO PAY BOTH WALLACE AND BATUM BOTH STARTING MONEY. Mr. Allen has the pockets to foot the bill but he said at the start of the season that the day of him buying 1st rd picks and throwing money at players is over , can you blame him,. Portland has not been out the 1st rd since Wallace and Scottie Pippen and company choked against the Lakers when they were up double digits heading to the 4th.
In a diffrent post I wrote my dislike for Ray Felton because he has killed us with his horrible shooting and dumb turnovers that just don't make sense. This team with a diffrent stating PG can make a run this year if they fix their rebounding problems. Felton played good tonight against Hornets but it's the freaking Hornets.
If we can deal Batum for a legit PG like JOSE CALDERON we can finally stop getting tossed in the 1st rd.
I know alot of you don't like the idea of Jose Calderon but just watch him play. He is not a great defender but he a great knockdown shooter who gets his teammates easy shots and he is doing this in Toronto. Just imagine what he can do with LA, Crash and Crawford. The only other option is Nash but he is too loyal to Phoenix.
If Portland loses Batum and gets no compensation Blazer Nation would explode. This team has to make a move and soon. At the rate we are going now the playoffs are a big maybe.
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man, I'd <3 Sullinger
"If you can do a half-assed job of anything, you're a one-eyed man in a kingdom of the blind."
by thankyouforblaze on Feb 11, 2012 3:19 AM PST up reply actions
Then we would have two power forwards :\
need a center
"We gotta get this $#!^ together guys!" - Phil
a young, cheap PF backup would be fine...
and LA could still switch to the 5 from time to time.
I just don’t think PDX will find a great starting-caliber center anytime soon.
"If you can do a half-assed job of anything, you're a one-eyed man in a kingdom of the blind."
by thankyouforblaze on Feb 11, 2012 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
I say we get what we can for Wallace and keep Nic.
He’s got a better outside shot, his shot blocking is crazy right now, on defense it might be a draw and he’s younger, a lot younger. I think he could be had for the same price as Wallace or less, and inked to a long term deal. The big issue I have with Nic is he doesn’t bring it every night, but at this point Wallace doesn’t either, which is painfully obvious with his stats at home and the road. Nic has improved over last year but we haven’t seen as much since he’s been coming off the bench. I say Nico needs to get the starting spot back, especially if Wallace’s hand is bothering him, and we should look to move Gerald to make it clear which direction we are choosing.
I like Wallace, a lot. I think Nic’s strengths are his youth and his craftiness as opposed to GW’s recklessness, which although it can wreak havoc on opposing teams is inconsistent and undependable.
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Trade Wallace, Promote Batum.
We miss you B Roy.
by Blazers4ever on Feb 10, 2012 10:33 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
What are you talking about? Crash intends to become a free agent. Blazers will match on Batum.
Wallace is the one leaving and the one we had better trade if we want to get anything for him.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Feb 10, 2012 10:34 PM PST reply actions
get your facts together........CRASH AND HIS AGENT TOLD BLAZER BRASS BACK IN DECEMBER HE WILL PLAY OUT HIS CONTRACT RIGHT AFTER THE TRADE RUMORS OF HIM GOING TO ORLANDO.
Kenneth Lewis Moore
by lightskin350 on Feb 10, 2012 10:50 PM PST up reply actions
Dude...
…Why are you yelling?
Isn’t playing out your contract and becoming a free agent the same thing in this case?
He didn’t seek an extension so he could test the market. THAT’S what he told the Blazer brass.
#7... GO BLAZERS!!!
by Ilikeemall on Feb 10, 2012 10:54 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I am not sure if he was yelling
You can’t really tell just from the capital letters. He might have been attempting to emphasize a portion of his remarks.
Ok I changed my signature. Do you like it better now?
LOUD NOISES!
"If you can do a half-assed job of anything, you're a one-eyed man in a kingdom of the blind."
by thankyouforblaze on Feb 11, 2012 3:20 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
They've done studies you know.
60% of the time, it works every time.
Disclaimer: There is a high chance this comment contains sarcasm, so please just chill out, relax, and have a nice l@ker hating day.
silence!... you smelly pirate hooker ;)
"If you can do a half-assed job of anything, you're a one-eyed man in a kingdom of the blind."
by thankyouforblaze on Feb 11, 2012 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
I meant...
It could have been accidental caps lock…
by Hoi on Feb 12, 2012 8:50 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Produce a quote that says he will not opt out. You can't because there was none.
He refused to discuss an extension because the Blazers could only offer a 2 year deal. That is documented here
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Feb 11, 2012 12:35 AM PST up reply actions
Whats the deal with all the Caps? is that supposed to make us click on the post?
Just say no to Calderon
La Illaha Illallah Muhamadur Rasulallah
And replace Nate McMillan.
We miss you B Roy.
by Blazers4ever on Feb 10, 2012 10:34 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
There's no need to yell about it or anything
Portland’s front office has closed their ranks, which means ESPN Insider may be quoting Batum’s agent, who is someone I would never take at face value.
Unless Nic gets an absolutely insane offer, the Blazers will match. They’ll very likely go a little past their comfort zone to keep him (I’m guessing $9m/yr), but won’t break the bank as they go into rebuild and don’t want to kill cap space for a guy who hasn’t shown the ability to be reliable yet.
If Nic is able to get a 5 year, 55 Million contract, Portland will have to consider not matching it. That simply means a team is willing to reach for an inconsistent scorer who floats at times, and has not shown he’s an elite defender.
I'm starting to think $9 million may be a bargain.
There are wayyy too many franchises out there willing to drop a pretty penny on a young guy with “potential.”
Do u think the SF position gets figured out before the trade deadline?
"If you can do a half-assed job of anything, you're a one-eyed man in a kingdom of the blind."
by thankyouforblaze on Feb 11, 2012 3:22 AM PST up reply actions
Think? Don't know. Hopeful? Yes.
I think Crash is gone after the season, but the problem is that he’s not helping his trade value.
Nic might be worth 10 mil but but he is NOT going to get a 10 mil a yr offer
Teams see his potential but I strongly doubt that even teams such as the Spurs would pay as much as 10 mil a year for him.
Crash SHOULD BE TRADED. I love the dude, he plays so hard but I feel management will have failed this year if they fail to TRADE GERALD FOR SOMETHING. His value will likely only drop from here on out and we need more of an outside threat from our SF spot. LaMarcus NEEDS as many good shooters around him as possible, Gerald has been respectable but he really doesn’t go well with LaMarcus’s game. All he does is slash to the hoop for layins which often just clogs the lane even more. We dont even need to get a star back for Crash, but we should trade him before the end of the year for 1st round picks and/or solid PG/C.
Ruben Boumtje-Boumtje, Vladimir Stepania, Ha(ha you suck) Seung Jin, Travis Diener and Erick Barkley
that NJ/ Orlando trade would have worked out nicely with 4 first-round picks for Wallace
"If you can do a half-assed job of anything, you're a one-eyed man in a kingdom of the blind."
by thankyouforblaze on Feb 11, 2012 3:24 AM PST up reply actions
Ya
I wanted it at the time, but everyone was freaking out cause we hadn’t had a full year of crash yet. Who cares when you get 4 first round picks when the guy will be gone the following year.
I wonder if....
That trade involving the nets and magic would be Brought back up and include PHx in the trade sending a couple picks PHX way and Portland landing Nash…?
by Hoi on Feb 12, 2012 8:54 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
if galo gets $10.5/yr for 4 years
I think nic will get a similar offer from another team. Maybe not quite as much, but not significantly less (my guess is $8-$10 per). The problem is that nic would have extended here for a little below market value , but now the blazers will likely have to pay a little above market value if they want to keep him (and they should). that is just piss-poor management by the front office.
Personally I’d rather have nic over galo if the price was the same, but I tend to emphasize the fact that nic is our best defender and a solid (if inconsistent) offensive player. galo is a better scorer, but is a trainwreck defensively. Teams typically overpay for offensive stats, so that is why I see nic getting a little below what galo received.
If the blazers had a real offensive gameplan that featured nic using screens and feeding LA in the post, he could easily give an efficient 16-18 ppg. he gets lost out there because there is no real offensive strategy, especially with jamal doing his “and-1” dribbling act and jamal, felton, and to a lesser extent even GW are making a point of NOT passing him the ball when he is open.
if nic was starting and playing 30ish minutes per game, he would easily be averaging 15+ ppg while being our team’s best defender. if the blazers had kept andre instead of felton and jamal, then nic would actually get passed to when he is open and would probably bump him up into the 16-18 ppg range (especially when he is coming off screens and using backdoor cuts, since neither felton nor jamal is good at feeding the cutter).
by retirecards51 on Feb 11, 2012 9:23 AM PST up reply actions
I very much doubt he was offering any sort of discount either.
Unless discount means Batum’s agent is willing to take $1mil less than $10mil a year, lol.
"If you can do a half-assed job of anything, you're a one-eyed man in a kingdom of the blind."
by thankyouforblaze on Feb 11, 2012 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
Gerald is a better
Defender then Nic is.
by AR-15 on Feb 11, 2012 11:06 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I think both players are very good defenders...
GW is a more physical type defender and can guard bigger guys (lebron and melo type players) as nic is a good transition Defender and can nag and irritate and deny the ball of the opposing player.
-Both players are above avg on perimeter D but Wallace has a slight advantage.
- Both can play the passing lanes very well.
-Both can trap very well.
- Batum has better translation D( aka Lebron like blocks on the break) as for Wallace never attempts.
- Wallace has the physical ability to Defend harder, stronger , and has the ability to take hard hits on charges.
Both players has their flaws and strengths on Defense,but Batum has better offensive game than GW. I’d take Batum over Wallace , but Wallace’s energy is just remarkable when he’s out there.
by Hoi on Feb 12, 2012 9:05 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
AND trading Gerald during the season doesn't mean we are throwing in the towel
It means that management is finally not overvaluing their talent and is willing to make a trade or two that will produce some sidekicks for LMA.
lightskin350 you are DEAD ON when you say that the Blazers need to figure out which direction they want to go and then GO with it. The longer they keep both the more confusing and dramatic this situation will become.
Ruben Boumtje-Boumtje, Vladimir Stepania, Ha(ha you suck) Seung Jin, Travis Diener and Erick Barkley
Woah man, first of all calm yourself down...
No need to shout. To quote a friend, “The sky’s not falling”
I’ll bet that Wallace opts out and the Blazers match any reasonable offer for Batum.
Or, we trade Wallace and Felton for a new PG.
My favorite quote ever...
“dumb turnovers that just don’t make sense.”
This fan post was a joke right?
Or am I missing something?
Dude, you're the one who needs to get his facts straight:
1) No other team is going to offer Batum 5 years and $50 mil. The new CBA limits teams to offering free agents contracts of 4 years and 4.5% raises each year. The Blazers (as the team that drafted Batum), can extend him for 4 years off his rookie contract; but if he becomes a RFA they are able to offer him more years and more money. The only way a team will sign Batum away from the Blazers is if they vastly overpay to sign him. If another team is going to overpay to have him, I’m ok with Batum leaving.
2) You know exactly nothing about Crash’s contract status. Here is what’s happening with Wallace. The new CBA limits him to a 2-year extension with the Blazers; if he opts out of the $11.4 million owed to him for the 2012/13 season (the last year of his current contract) he becomes a RFA. The Blazers own his Bird Rights, meaning they can offer him a 5 year deal, with 7.5% increases, and can go over the cap to sign him. Wallace just wants a deal longer than 2 years, he doesn’t want to leave. Though personally, due to his age I think if he gets a 4-year offer somewhere the Blazers should NOT match it, and only sign him to a 3-year extension if the money is right.
Wallace won't be a RFA.
He will be unrestricted. Though the Blazers will have Bird Rights.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
Right UFA. The Blazers will not want to give GW a 4 year offer unless they plan to trade him later
They will match whatever offer Batum gets unless Batum’s performance fades over the rest of the year. I expect Nate to really push Batum now. We have to find out if he is going to step up or not.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Feb 11, 2012 2:11 AM PST up reply actions
AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH THE SKY IS FALLING!!!
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
This post is outrageous
its hard to take it seriously with so many factual errors…Here’s a clue: ESPN is a gossip sports network. There is no way to tell what is really going on with the Batum contract negotiations. Agents will say anything and everything to anyone and everyone who will listen if they think it will get them more money…
ESPN has some good insight at times...
…but I agree with you about agents and their motives to get more money. They try to game anyone they can: players, front offices, sports reporters, they’d probably game their own mother to get an extra 1% commission.
by StellarN00ntide on Mar 5, 2012 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
Please stop with this Jose Calderon nonsense.
Batum Shakalaka
by WesMoneyy on Feb 11, 2012 9:03 AM PST reply actions 5 recs
Agreed!!
Sick of the Calderon talk, they guy has done nothing. Not saying he is horrible, but to be honest, I’d rather keep Felton than get Calderon. He was a hot commodity a few years back, but that was then this is now.
Batum isn’t going anywhere, calm down dude. Blazers will match, I think they want the market to set his value, and who knows, no one may offer him that “toxic offer.” We may get him at a reasonable price. Just because we value him so much as a fan base doesn’t mean some team is going to throw 10 mil + to sign him.
I would love to keep Wallace, however, that NJ/ORL trade would’ve been AWESOME for us 4 1st rounders!? I don’t see us signing wallace to a 5 year deal when he is turning 30 and the way he plays. I love his hustle and his game and would love to keep him, just not sure it’s in the cards.
by TurtleJuice on Feb 11, 2012 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
What worth do you see in Jose?
by lawalteral14 on Feb 11, 2012 10:06 AM PST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
Token White guy
since Babbit will probably get offered something like 500 mill a year or something after next season.
by AR-15 on Feb 11, 2012 11:11 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Batum Is not a 10 mil per yr player.
He is worth 6-8.5 mil a year. 9 would be pushing it slightly……
But…. In batums defense…. He hasn’t gotten enough playing time this year to really evaluate where he is at. From the mins and production he is getting and giving right now, he’s at a 7mil max. But I’m sure Batum can Improve dramaticly if giving the appropriate amount of mins consistently and the starting position. He’s shown flashes of briliants of a complete game.
by Hoi on Feb 12, 2012 9:10 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Not enough playing time to evaluate where he is at??? He's playing 26 minutes a game.
That’s plenty of time to evaluate where he is at. If he should be playing more it’s because Felton, Crawford, and Wesley are playing so poorly, and Felton and Wesley at least should be playing less.
Where is Batum at? He plays with the same inconsistent effort and results he always has. One minute he looks brilliant and the next he looks disinterested and lacking in effort as he watches other people rebound and he passes up good shots.
Has he improved over the years? Yes. Has he improved as much as one might expect from a kid that joined the NBA at 20 years old and is now 23? No. Look at his stats per 36 minutes a game. Rebounding over his 4 years – 5.4, 5.5, 5.2, 5.5. That shows a lack of improvement in effort and aggressiveness rebounding. We hear about his skills as a point forward. How have they improved? Assists (per 36 minutes) – 1.8, 1.7, 1.8, 1.5. Turnovers (per 36 minutes) 1.2, 1.1, 1.2, 1.6. That’s assists down and turn-overs up.
Did his shooting skills improve from age 20 until now? 3 pt % – 37%, 41%, 35%, 41%. How about his overall FG%? 45%, 52%, 46%, 44%. No improvements there.
He’s turned up his defensive aggressiveness this year and he takes more shots, so those are positives. His steals per 36 minutes – 1.2, 0.9, 1.0, 1.4 and blocks per 36 minutes – 1.0, 1.0, 0.7, 1.3 are both up. His shots per 36 minutes have risen steadily – 8.9, 10.5, 11.5, 12.2. So he is showing more aggressiveness on defense and slightly more on taking shots. But he is still passing up shots in key situations like last night in overtime (which got him yanked from the game).
Every summer he goes home to play Euro ball and every fall we hear how much better he has become. But very little of that Euro play has translated to the NBA court. You can blame Nate all you want, but it’s Nate’s voice you hear during the game imploring Nic to become more aggressive, take more shots, take the ball to the hoop more, and rebound more. Nothing is stopping Nic except Nic.
So do I think we should get rid of Nic? No. I think Wallace’s contributions are going to erode very fast because unlike Nic, his game is all dictated by effort rather than skill, and he is going to wear out sooner than later. I would not give Wallace a 3 or 4 year contract this summer, and he will probably get that somewhere else. So I believe we will necessarily match whatever offer Batum gets, which will probably be higher than we want. Then we need to find the right buttons to push so that Nic “gets it”, and I doubt he will find it in Europe.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Feb 12, 2012 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Blazers can keep both
Blazers will have alot of money to get free agents next year. Wallace and Batum can both get 6.5 mill a year. And Camby and Crawford could get new contracts as well
Uh no thank you.
Need to reconstruct the roster,not keep it intact.
BURN THIS MOTHA DOWN!!! No one likes being the Dallas Cowboys of the playoffs every year.
by FPS NorthWest on Feb 12, 2012 12:26 AM PST up reply actions
If someone else really wants to give Batum 50 mill then that is fine by me.
Some other team can overpay for a roleplayer, he can eat up their cap space for years, and we can spend our money elsewhere. It’s a win-win. Either we keep him for a reasonable amount or it’s some other team’s problem that they overpaid for potential.
by hollywood robinson on Feb 11, 2012 4:48 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
This is the Type of logic that is missing from the conversation
La Illaha Illallah Muhamadur Rasulallah
There arnt many teams that will have enough cap.
10 mil per yr is an all star or border line all star type player. The better teams out their with cap like macs would never offer 10 mil for Batum and the crappier teams like the cabs or the kings would never offer Batum 10 mil. Why? Because he’s not an all star or even boarder line. You don’t pay for potential. You pay for production And consistency. That’s why if Felton plays the way he’s playing up till the summer… He would not even get offered a mid level. The same with the likes of J Lin. If he plays the way hes been playing til summer, he will get that $$$.
Only big men in the NBA get over paid, because they have the physical ability that are hard to find. SFs are replaceable.
by Hoi on Feb 12, 2012 9:17 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Dude...
Travis Outlaw got 7 million a year from the Nets two season ago…
They still don’t have an answer at SF going into this next season and if they miss out on Dwight and Deron leaves, they will have a lot of cap space that they need to use up because of the 85% of the cap rule. All things considered (I’m Cy Musiker) I can definitely see a team like the Nets throwing 10-11 million a year at Batum…
The smarter you are, the more likely you are to be tripping balls at any given moment.
/keep Batum/ /trade for Bogut/
I dislike your caplocks and opinions.
JOSE CALDERON is not fair trade value. Maybe three years ago but he is going to be steadily declining. I think Crash is more likely to bolt after this season if only one of the two guys does.
You have my axe!
by you have my axe on Feb 12, 2012 10:23 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Question I'm hoping someone knows the answer to
Since we will have the rights to match any offer for Batum does that mean we can go over the cap to do it? Say we have $20mil in cap space. Can we sign $19mil in free agents then go over the cap to match Batum? If this is the case, it makes a lot more sense to match an offer in the future than it would to sign him right now and have it count against the cap right away. Can someone let me know if I’m completely off base with this??
by lickety brindle on Feb 12, 2012 1:21 PM PST reply actions
I'm sure somebody like Storyteller can explain the cap rules better than me.
But lets say we have 20 million in cap space. Because we extended the Qualifying Offer to keep Batum as a Restricted Free Agent, he will have a cap hold of 300% of his last year’s salary, which is 2.15 million making it a 6.45 million meaning we would have about 13.5 million of cap space to spend on free agency, after which we could re-sign Batum for any amount we want, going over the cap to do so because we retained his Bird Rights.
The smarter you are, the more likely you are to be tripping balls at any given moment.
/keep Batum/ /trade for Bogut/
The new first round pick hold is now 250% rather than 300% for players under the average salary.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Feb 12, 2012 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
We can match any offer that Batum receives regardless of our cap situation
because he will become a restricted free agent after we make the Qualifying Offer. However, signing Batum (by matching an offer sheet) will then impact our cap situation.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Feb 12, 2012 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
There's more to your question than I answered.
Batum’s cap hold will count against our cap space. So if we had $20M in cap space counting Batum’s cap hold then we could spend $20M on free agents and still match an offer sheet for Batum. But if our cap space were $20M before you counted Batum’s cap hold, then you have to deduct the $5.4M cap hold (which is now 250% of his last salary) and you would only have $14.6M to spend. If you match an offer for Batum before signing any other free agents, then you will deduct the actual amount he signed for from the original $20M cap space.
However, our situation is much more complicated because we will have many cap holds that push us way above the salary cap. So if we want to sign free agents that aren’t our own, we will have to renounce some of our free agents to create sufficient cap space when that happens.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Feb 12, 2012 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
This is asinine
Portland will deal Wallace before they let Batum walk. You don’t let a 23 year old wing like Batum go in favor of a high flyer who’s lost a step at 29 and can’t shoot or play in a system.
Not to mention that Batum is a RESTRICTED free agent. All Portland is doing is letting the market dictate his contract value. He won’t get offered more than 8 or 9 million this summer, and it’ll probably be closer to 6. Portland will match any offer made to him and this is a non-issue.
If Batum only gets 6 mil
I will eat my hat.
by llamaiguana on Feb 13, 2012 10:59 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
The
Real question is if this corporate team has a plan or not. It’s got to take them forever to make decisions if the entire corporate office has to sign off on everything. I really think there simple is no leader and they are floundering around with no long term plan. This year was all about giving Nate what he wanted. Nate is not a good talent evaluator…or coach…so this is what you get. Nate screwed this up pushing miller out. Right now this team with miller and Faried would be far more productive for only the reason that miller would be able to cover up for Nates inability to manage a roster. The team is a mess. We really need a strong gm to dictate the agenda and also push Nate to coach long term not contract to contract.

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