McNamara: Debating Possible Chris Kaman To Portland Trade
Michael McNamara and Jason Calmes of Hornets247.com debate a possible trade scenario that would send New Orleans Hornets center Chris Kaman and forward Carl Landry to the Portland Trail Blazers in exchange for four players.
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Chris Kaman and Carl Landry for Greg Oden, Nolan Smith, Luke Babbitt and Marcus Camby
Why the Hornets should do it:
Basically, you do this trade so you can kick the tires on Greg Oden. He won’t be able to play this year and will be an unrestricted free agent this summer, but you get a chance to have him checked out by your doctors and specialists. Maybe they give the thumbs up and he falls in love with Monty and Dell the way most players do and takes a 2-3 year offer.
Nolan Smith and Babbitt are two more guys that create competition and maybe one of them sticks. Remember this trade can’t go through for a couple more weeks anyway (not to mention the fact that Landry and Oden would have to agree to it as well), but it is one that could pay off big down the road.
Why the Hornets should pass (Jason Calmes):
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Camby would be a nice pick-up, but his deal is one year too short, the opposite of the Emeka contract issue. We need to find a Goldi-blocks, not too hot, not too cold. Swapping his expiring for Carl’s does little for us. Camby will be looking for more than a 1y deal given his age and the tax rule changes slamming down prior to the 2013 – 2014 season. Getting us into a position so we’ll have a center next season should be find a taker for Emeka would be a better move, even if said player isn’t of Camby’s quality. I’d pass on this chance to keep our Clipper quotient where it is.
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Kaman has been benched by the Hornets until they trade him and one national report indicated the Blazers "make sense" as a possible trade partner.
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No way, No how!
This has to stop. Kaman’s trade value is about equal to a half bag of doritos right now. We need to go after a PG (Nash) or stay put. I want Camby to retire here, and I want us to “kick the tires on Oden” year after year. I’ll donate 20 bucks a season to keep him riding our bench if that’s what it takes.
by Wes Man on Feb 1, 2012 12:53 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Why are people even talking about this?
I’d take Kaman for Raef LaFrentz, but otherwise this is insane.
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by OhOhOden on Feb 1, 2012 12:57 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Greg for kaman
Not bad straight up but sending camby to get him and landry? Thats a piss poor deal(excuse my langauge) now maybe if we got kaman and okafor THAT would be decent. Because atleast next year we can have okafor and freeland playing center. Landry in that deal is a bad move though we have the rhino (on a cheaper contract) who can create plays and score while sharing. If this is to get lamarcus happy to have him crawford and landry play together I say thats a bad idea. But IF WE DO THIS for kaman and okafor we could also trade wallace(assuming batum is okay) and felton for nash or eric gorden. Thus making us the deadliest team ever. (trade wallace because even though hes the better of the two with scoring and playong aggressive, batum is younger has a much cheaper contract and gets many more blocks than wallace.)
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by Blaze_that_trail on Feb 1, 2012 10:59 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Kaman is WAY over valued
Both Oden and Camby? Nuts.
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by blacknoiseNW on Feb 1, 2012 10:24 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
I'd rather have Okafor
If all we’re getting is Kaman and Landry, that’s too much to give up. If it’s Okafor and Landry, that deal sounds good to me.
I 100% agree...
I would rather have our only Center be Camby instead of Kaman, especially since Landry wouldn’t be locked up. However getting Okafor would be a great pickup. As we have no solution for center or PG after this year.
We need to keep Batum around.
wow so obviously these guys know what they're talking about
he already knows Monty! he wouldn’t have to “fall in love” with him – he already knows him well
by rip_city_swagger on Feb 1, 2012 10:28 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Kaman was an all star. Buy low sell high. Just like with stocks.
This deal sounds like it would be a great deal for the Blazers. Get a decent center, hand off the emotional roller coaster of Greg Oden to someone else. Landry would be a good asset too.
The only thing I would regret is trading away Nolan Smith before we know how good of a player he is.
by LanceS on Feb 1, 2012 10:29 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
and
And remember, Camby is at the tail end of his career. He’s still playing great right now, but he doesn’t have much tread left on him.
but what are we giving up?
Thats a Camby for Kaman trade and it costs us more money. Why would they do this?
“Thats a Camby for Kaman trade
Camby’s about 39, Kaman is about 30. End of career guy for middle of career guy.e
by LanceS on Feb 1, 2012 10:38 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Yes, but
End of career for a pretty good center (in fact, considering our needs of interior defense and rebounding, GREAT for us), and mid career for a mediocre center whose skills don’t particularly blend with our needs.
Seems I heard that type of justification not so long ago
Oh yeah! It was an aging PG for a younger version!
by Vorlauf on Feb 1, 2012 11:01 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Can Kamen stay on the court?
Seems like even Camby is a better bet there
Weird. I'd consider that a "Landry trade with Kaman throw in", not the other way around.
Do these supposed “NBA experts” know that Kaman sucks now? And that he was never that good to begin with?
by howlingfantods on Feb 1, 2012 10:38 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Not NBA experts - Hornets bloggers
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by blacknoiseNW on Feb 1, 2012 11:01 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
oh that makes sense.
I consider the kaman talk to be nonsense, since the hornets are asking for around 5x his actual bball value. The only thing Portland’s inclusion in any Kaman talk would do is confirm to me that our front office is clueless.
by howlingfantods on Feb 1, 2012 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah - I see Kaman as a waiver candidate
Not a trade candidate.
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by blacknoiseNW on Feb 1, 2012 11:10 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
My god kaman is wayyyyyy overvalued!!
I bet hes benched because hes crappy ankle is cracked AGAIN. Seriously no kaman. Unless we get emeka with him. Then MAYBE! My favorite trade was how they thought they could get javale mcgee AND rashard lewis for kaman. I never laughed so hard.
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by Blaze_that_trail on Feb 1, 2012 11:11 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I agree, if he was that good, he wouldn't be benched until a trade. I would bet a donut on that
hg
by BBK on Feb 1, 2012 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
Ray Felton accepts that bet on the off chance he may win a donut
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Don't be silly.
Felton wouldn’t risk losing that original doughnut.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
Lmao
I hate all the raymond is out of shape jokes but these two made me laugh
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by Blaze_that_trail on Feb 1, 2012 10:44 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I really want us to be the team that sees what Oden might be worth.
We’ve invested far too much money and heartache to not get closure in the form of playing time. Waiting for him to recover only to trade him would be like writing letters in a long-distance romance for years, only to have her dump you when you finally meet up.
by superfly05 on Feb 1, 2012 10:43 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
It never ceases to amaze me at how loyal some Blazers fans are to Greg Oden. The dude has given us 82 games in five seasons and people are acting like once he returns he’s going to be one of the best centers in the NBA. I could be wrong about this but I honestly think people who remain high on Oden are just hoping he really does come back strong and they can say “SEE! I told you so!” Instead of actually believing that he’ll return to form. I’ve given up on him. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me again and again, shame on me. That’s really how I see it. There’s just no evidence that he’ll return to form. At all.
Nolan Smith is Jerryd Bayless 2.0. Yeah yeah, I know it’s still early to be making calls like that but I am. Write it down. He’s another combo guard.
Babbitt? Unless something completely unexpected happens, likely won’t even be in the NBA once his rookie deal expires.
Camby I’d hate to lose but he’s one “sprained ankle” away from something much worse happening at his age. Every year his body heals slower and slower. Love his effort. Love his game. But at this point if you could get back a couple of younger, capable big men, don’t you do it?
"It feels good to give the fans Taco Bell."
- Luke Babbitt, 1/23/2012
by halo_on on Feb 1, 2012 10:44 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
i understand your argument, but Kaman isn't an improvement over Oden or Camby.
He’s equally injury prone and not the answer we need in the middle.
A displaced Sonics fan that has somehow emerged as a Blazers fan (and loves it).
by anitachampionship on Feb 1, 2012 10:46 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
and WAAAAAAAAY too expensive
a trade for a younger center would be something worth entertaining. just not one with Kaman’s underperformance and inflated price tag!
meh...
I think it’s more of a “Kaman kinda sucks” thing vs. a people being attached to Oden and bench scrubs thing. but Babbitt needs to go, Oden isn’t sticking around past this season even if he can play, so dump him. I’d like to see us hold on to Smith and EWill for the time being, just to see what they can do going forward, but if a good deal presents itself, I say take it.
Kaman and Landry are not enough for me to feel comfortable dealing Camby for. If it were Okafor, 100% yes.
How do you know that Greg won't be sticking around?
If he can prove he can play at all his value would sky rocket, you can almost bank on it.
Why buy high and sell cheap. because dumping Greg right now is what you would be doing. For what we are paying him right now versus another never-was center that you would be paying a whole lot more for does not make sense and you are not going to get younger and better centers for what Greg is worth right now.
hg
by BBK on Feb 1, 2012 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
Because the writing is on the wall
Oden wants a fresh start. He want’s out of Portland. Otherwise he would have signed a longer deal. His way of paying Portland back for the last 4 years is by taking 1.5 million this year instead of his 8.9. He’s an unrestricted free agent come July, and with a team like Miami already having shown interest…He’s gone. Face it. No need to be up in arms about it, he wants out, let him go. I say trade him if he has any value at all.
Nothing wrong with combo guards
In fact – I really like the rotation concept the Blazers have this season. A three-guard rotation with a combo guard coming off the bench fits my ideal just fine.
Personnel could use some improvement – but guys like Bayless, Nate Robinson, Jarrett Jack, etc. – that can provide useful minutes at the 1 or 2 make sense in a 3rd-guard role.
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Feb 1, 2012 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
There is no evidence Oden will return to form?
I don’t buy that statement at all.
by Oden Mad, Oden Smash! on Feb 1, 2012 11:27 AM PST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Heck no
If Oden comes back mediocre he is still better then Kaman. and Kaman isn’t injury free either. Give a couple of years to Greg, if he can play along with Camby and they could be what we need. The Blazers has gone on past Greg, anything Greg can give us is a bonus.I say heck no to the deal.
hg
by BBK on Feb 1, 2012 1:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Why get Kaman when we can get Greg Ostertag for the min.
Loud pipes save lives!
Bad knees break hearts!
Time for an exorcism.
by We-B-Dunkin on Feb 1, 2012 1:13 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Too bad that greg
Left with injuries right after he statted D league again. Kaman and oden are more reliable sadly.
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by Blaze_that_trail on Feb 1, 2012 10:48 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
You are correct, in that you're wrong.
Not everyone is as petty as you “honestly believe” –
I could be wrong about this but I honestly think people who remain high on Oden are just hoping he really does come back strong and they can say "SEE! I told you so!" Instead of actually believing that he’ll return to form.
And, why wouldn’t Blazer fans want Oden to come back strong as a Blazer? I don’t get you.
"Coach said to always be careful around Greg, because Greg costs a lot and even the slightest amount of basketball can damage him." -- The Onion
by RedUniInLA on Feb 1, 2012 4:22 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, it's not so much an "I told you so" thing
as much as “Thank god we got something out of a #1 pick”.
No Landry!
He’ll take away the Rhino’s minutes!
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
impossible!
no one has ever played that well…twice as large as infinity is still infinity
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Feb 1, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I was kidding.
But Landry does make about 10 times as much. Good thing he’s on a one year deal.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Yeah - no minutes for a backup 4 on this team
Landry would compel a rotation adjustment – but at the expense of whom? Cost benefit doesn’t add up for this team.
Pay for what you can use.
Law of Logical Argument
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by blacknoiseNW on Feb 1, 2012 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
Like shopping, but not for these players
Camby is solid and he is playing great right now, but lets be real here. He is really playing on borrowed time. The smart thing to do is to trade him now while his stock is high. Trade for two solid bigs, they wont put up crazy rebound numbers like Camby, but combined they could. Shop for someone who can be an offensive threat too, to help get open shots for LA and whoever is in the 3 spot. Its season 4 for Oden, and he is still a gamble. We should let him shop around at year end and have other teams shoot him offers, but ultimately keep him, and more than likely we will get him on the cheap, cause what team wants to have a large contract on a player who hasnt really seen the floor and been tested. Keep Babbit in the trade because we are fairly solid at that position already, and Nate doesnt play more than a 8/9 man rotation anyway. Smith keep unless you can get a proven off the bench PG in the trade. We have seen that Crawford likes the 2 better than the 1, and I agree, he is better off the dribble creating shots for himself, which is what the 2 does. We need the PG to create shots for others and not be our primary shooter. Instead of smith throw in Armon and Chris Johnson, or go Craig Smith.
I love the passion that Portland Fans have, but lets not get too emotionally attached here. I see alot of “Not Camby! He is the man.” or things along those lines. I do like the fact there is some shopping going around, but just not for Landry and Kaman.
Bad trade..
I’d rather see the blazers with a center who plays, D, rebounds and blocks shots. Kaman is a scorer and would take shots away from LA. At this point, I’d rather have Oden in a suit than Kaman in a blazers’ uniform.
Very awkward trade idea...
I find it very awkward that they are proposing this idea for a number of reasons…
1) The most obvious – We wanted Landry in the beginning of the season to do exactly what Craig Smith is doing very well for us now which is to back-up LA. Wash.
2) This leaves us with trading Kaman for Camby, Smith, and Oden. So here’s how that shakes out…
- Assuming we don’t sign Felton back after the season, without Smith we would be left with no point guards at all going into next season.
- If we traded away both Camby he would be pretty upset with the Blazers and we probably would have no chance at signing him to another short term contract to play out the rest of his career as a Blazer. We trade Oden as well and we’re left with no centers after the season.
So we would basically be trading Kaman to completely blow up the team going into next season. There’s no guarantee Kaman could even get us into the next round of the playoffs, and with our current back court there’s really no way we’re going to sniff a conference championship let alone a NBA championship.
So what’s the point…why is this even being discussed?
We trade Camby's rebounding this year,
say goodbye to the playoffs.
That said, his rebounding won’t be around forever, and we’re left with Kaman and Landry for next year? I don’t see the upside in this trade. Both today and moving forward.
I don't always root for an NBA franchise, but when I do, I prefer the Portland Trail Blazers.
by Oh. Em. Gee. on Feb 1, 2012 11:46 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Kaman is on an expiring contract as well
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by blacknoiseNW on Feb 1, 2012 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
If this trade is actually a real possibility
You do it. Oden is over, Camby is old and Kaman and Landry are two VERY solid big men.
by mfnpjparty on Feb 1, 2012 11:48 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Solid?..
In the last 4 full seasons Kaman has played 56,31,76 & 32 games. He’s a career 11 & 8 guy… He doesn’t get to the free throw line or block shots or get assists, he prefers outside shots…and dudes cap hit is FOURTEEN MILLION!!!…
That’s about as poor of a value for the dollar as it gets!
The Rhino is giving us the same kind of contribution Landry (who is averaging a career high ONE assist per game this year for his $9mil this season) could for less money and giving up Camby’s contribution now and expiring contract later PLUS Oden’s potential… no matter what people may think his chances are… would be possibly the weakest, most unproductive trade in history.
#7... GO BLAZERS!!!
Hmm...
…I find McNamara’s contention that anyone would want to kick Greg Odens Unrestricted Free Agent Tires interesting. Plus he seems to be attaching sometype of chimerical value to having Greg Oden undergo even more medical evaluation.
Greg Oden is literally months away from becoming an unrestricted free agent. So his logic is take a temporary flier on Greg Oden in hopes he falls in love with Monty and Dell? That’s a lot of faith in the power of love….
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
oden has trade value?
and doesn’t he have final say in whether on not he can be traded somewhere?
PHILLY!
Bird in hand.
NO is offering two in the bush. But neither is of a quality of a Marcus Camby.
I think it’s a toss up who is more valuable to this team, LMA or Camby. So, you trade one of the MVPs of the team understanding that you are subtracting 15 wins from this seasons total. Do Kaman and Landry add those back? Maybe.
It almost seems like Portland fans value potential in players, and will hold on to a guy for a half a decade if he shows good potential, but get a quality veteran guy, whose leadership and skill are solid, and look to trade him away asap for more potential.
"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.
I wouldnt trade Marcus or Nolan
EW, Rhino, Reno boys only. Even if its only to move up in the draft. Too many young bucks available in June. That mess has to fixed or its still just a lateral move. If Kaman is so great, why do teams keep moving him ??
just win baby !
by FrenchieFan on Feb 1, 2012 12:48 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
No joke.
Obviously, LMA is more valuable to the team long term, but this season, he is absolutely critical to our success, like no other player on the court, except maybe LaMarcus. What other gauge of value is there?
"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.
Colossally Stupid Trade Du Jour
Alternate response: Puleeeeze!!!!!!!!!!!
LET THE LAMONSTER ERA BEGIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What's so bad about Carl Landry?
I kinda like his game. He seems like a hard-worker, and maybe one of the best backup forwards in the league.
Maybe just a modest-yet-significant upgrade over Rhino.
But Kaman seems almost as injury prone as Oden.
If we traded Oden For Kave Man
we would be the joke of the league
We would be getting flooded with Kwame Brown for LMA offers next
La Illaha Illallah Muhamadur Rasulallah
pretty sure we wouldn't be flooded.
only one team would be able to make that offer.
unless every team has a kwame on ’em.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
by mittsabishy on Feb 1, 2012 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Oden needs to get on the court
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
You
Know we could do something like this. There coach knows our players.
Gordon
Ariza
kamen
For
Matthews
Batum
Camby
Oden
Gordon can create off the dribble and shoot. Ariza can shoot and slash. This would be for continuing the run this year as Nate wants.
That is what I am saying
we don’t want run and gun we want a fast tempo created from good D and rebounding. Of course that isn’t happening regularly,
hg
by BBK on Feb 1, 2012 4:45 PM PST up reply actions
we can try to sign EG outright as a RFA this summer
no need to give up Wessy or Nic.
There is absolutely no way the other owners will approve the matching of a big offer for gordon.
PHILLY!
Site only shows why one team does or doesn't do the trade
You can go to any trade on any site and get that kind of analysis.
Funny
Their site only got 28 comments. 70 comments and counting, here.
Law of Logical Argument
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We
Totally over value Matthews and batum is leaving this summer. Others around the league think very highly of nic. We won’t match to keep Wallace. This trade at least positions us better. Matthews right now is a black whole and a wasted position. You have two quality sf you can’t use properly. Bringing in Gordon better utilizes all positions and we can afford to match him because he fits a position we need. We don’t need to include oden and ariza is a fantastic 6th man. You can trade Crawford for a big body or a back up pg at then as Gordon can do what Crawford does in the starting line up. Ewill then has a chance to get a little action.
It's better to NOT have those guys...
…and have the $ to spend somewhere else.
Kaman is on the last year of a ridiculous $14m contract. If somebody else is dumb enough to be willing to pay him that kinda money he would bolt and leave us with nothing in exchange for those four guys but Trevor Ariza…a guy who’s floated through the NBA on the wings of once being a L@ker… and Eric Gordon who is an undersized shooting guard, not a PG, who will shoot as many shots as he can get while being out manned by any real SG he tries to guard.
Giving up Wes and Nic…along with Camby and Oden… for this package is even weaker then the original trade in this post.
This idea makes my head spin… I just don’t get it.
#7... GO BLAZERS!!!
by Ilikeemall on Feb 1, 2012 9:54 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
We won't match to keep Wallace.
I don’t agree.
Loud pipes save lives!
Bad knees break hearts!
Time for an exorcism.
by We-B-Dunkin on Feb 1, 2012 4:27 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Batum has a higher PER than Wallace & is younger.
If you have to chose one or the other I think you have to keep Batum.
Loud pipes save lives!
Bad knees break hearts!
Time for an exorcism.
I agree.
If we make a trade before the deadline It pretty much has to include Wallace, unless it is for a superstar 1 or 5 & it takes Batum to get that done.
Loud pipes save lives!
Bad knees break hearts!
Time for an exorcism.
If you keep both then you have to move Mathews to the bench.
Loud pipes save lives!
Bad knees break hearts!
Time for an exorcism.
Language like
“has been benched by the [team] until they trade him” is usually a good indication that you should not deal.
by heybabydrinkyourmilk on Feb 1, 2012 6:18 PM PST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
No Way!.. No How!!!
Kaman is NOT a real center and it’s ridiculous to even consider adding an outside shooting, injury prone big to our team.
#7... GO BLAZERS!!!
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