Game 8 Recap: Portland Trail Blazers 98, Cleveland Cavaliers 78
In a Nutshell
After a painful defensive-minded slog of a first half the Trail Blazers win the battle of talent, athleticism, and style to blow away the Cavaliers by 20. LaMarcus Aldridge and some forced turnovers leading to breaks key the third-quarter blow-by.
Game Flow
Ugh. There WAS no flow to the first half of this game, period. In the opening minutes the Cavaliers pushed the tempo unexpectedly and the Blazers lofted some threes, almost as if they had traded game plans. But after that the teams settled down into a defensive battle. Kyrie Irving got inside periodically and Anderson Varejao dominated on the boards here and there. The Blazer attack was more potluck but their shots fell every once in a while, Nicolas Batum and Wesley Matthews providing key boosts. That encapsulates about 6 minutes of the 24-minute first half, however. Other than that it was both teams missing whether they were inside or out. The Blazers finished the half shooting 39%, Cleveland 32%. And that was after Portland tore up the nets in the final minutes of the second quarter with a 12-3 run. The score was 42-35 Portland at the break but anybody who played well was going to take this game.
Fortunately that was the Blazers. The third period saw LaMarcus Aldridge make hay on the inside for layups, dunks, short shots, and most of all free throws. He scored 14 of Portland's 27 points in the quarter. On the other end Portland cranked up the opportunity defense, blocking shots and swiping the basketball for multiple run-outs throughout the second half. Swarming Antawn Jamison the way many teams swarm Aldridge, the Blazers left the Cavs only one response: the three-pointer. Even with the scramble Portland defends that as well as anyone in the league. Cleveland's one response quickly became no chance as they shot 3-24 from the arc on the night. The Blazers walked away with the easy win, one bucket short of free chalupas while the Cavs' shooting left them gnawing on the burrito of shame.
Take Away Points
The Blazers matched the Cavs defensively in the first half, which is a recommendation for Portland's defense, as Cleveland is pretty good in that area.
In the end this was always going to be a battle of styles. Cleveland shoots and depends on the three as much as anybody in the league and the Blazers defend that shot as well as anybody in the league. The Blazers need fast break points and Cleveland all but disallows them. The Blazers blew the doors off of the Cavaliers on the run, scoring 22 on the break. Portland held Cleveland to 12.5% shooting from the arc. That spells "win" even before you factor in the Blazers forcing 24 turnovers, staying even with Cleveland on the boards, and scoring 50 in the paint to the Cavs' 46. As we said in the preview, Cleveland does two things on offense: score in the key and hit threes. Portland took away half their attack and the Cavaliers wilted. That was well-planned and well-executed.
Individual Notes
LaMarcus Aldridge scored some of his 28 on the run but it was encouraging to see him posting a little closer to the basket, if not in the paint itself, during this game. If you want an easy education on his strengths and weaknesses, cue up a couple games and watch the difference between his possessions when he posts up 15 feet out on the left wing and when he posts close to the hoop. Disregard all jumpers from more than 10 feet and all cuts to the lane for alley-oops. Just look at him in isolation. When he puts the ball on the floor from that outside position he gets lost before he even gets the shot up. When he can catch, wheel, and fire with at most one dribble he looks dominant. Teams are going to double him at either position. Either one can be passed out of effectively. I will say again: the Blazers need to get Aldridge posting close to the hoop on the majority of those back-to-the-basket sets. It's the difference between him looking good and looking much less than ordinary. I fully understand this is not his natural inclination but it's got to be his job until the Blazers find somebody else to take over that role. If he wants to be their clear #1 option for his career it's got to be part of his job description, period. We already learned this lesson last year. We're learning it over again this year. Hopefully the team will be quicker picking it up and Aldridge will be willing. LMA also had 3 offensive rebounds, 4 steals, 4 assists, and a block. Great effort night.
Gerald Wallace went 7-13 for 16 points and was part of the scramble, turnover-forcing defense with 3 steals and a block of his own. He had 4 assists just like Aldridge en route to a fine overall night.
Marcus Camby 25 minutes, 9 rebounds, and a block. Job done.
Wesley Matthews got the Blazers off to a rollicking start in this game and stepped up in short bursts like a machine gun. He ended up with 24 on 8-17 shooting, only 3-9 from the arc (one of those a sweet, turn-around prayer from the sideline with the clock running out) but 5-6 from the foul line. 3 assists, 2 rebounds, and a steal went with.
Raymond Felton went 1-9 for 2 points with 7 assists and 5 turnovers. Aside from a little defensive trouble, though, this actually didn't seem like as bad of a game for him as the stats indicate. He wasn't at the focal point of the offense as much maybe. His night didn't really hurt the Blazers...or some other nights that looked better in the boxscore actually kept the Blazers back more. That's not exactly praise, but saying Felton had a bad game doesn't really tell the story either. He did what he should have, not letting an off night take him or his team out of the game plan.
Jamal Crawford went 2-10 for 4 points. Most of what I just said about Felton also applies here. With the Blazers scrambling, running, and feeding Aldridge the guards just didn't hurt them much.
Nicolas Batum had a pep in his step tonight and made a couple of pretty buckets. He went 4-9 with 11 points, 4 rebounds, and 2 steals in 21 minutes.
Kurt Thomas gave the Blazers 4 rebounds, 3 assists, and 2 blocks in 20 minutes. Those are nice numbers. His 1-5 night and 2 turnovers had as much to do with his teammates putting him in bad (for him) positions as anything. You don't expect Thomas to be Kobe Bryant nor to bail out the offense with anything but an open 15-foot jumper.
Craig Smith actually starting Portland's inside scoring in the second period when they desperately needed to see the ball go through the net. Kudos for the lift, the 3-4 shooting, 3 rebounds, and a steal in 13 minutes.
Chris Johnson blocked a shot in 3 minutes of late time. Nolan Smith and Eliot Williams each hit a shot, a three in Williams' case. Williams, admittedly with the easier job of the two, looked like a shooting guard. Smith kind of does too, when he looks confident anyway. For Williams that's an asset. For Smith the jury is out.
Fun Stats of the Night
- Blazers 6-23 (26%) from distance...and that doubles Cleveland's percentage.
- 50 points in the paint, 22 fast break points, 28 points after turnovers...the Blazers are going to win any game in which that happens.
- 27 assists on 38 made buckets for Portland tonight, with only 7 of those assists belonging to a true point guard.
- Kyrie Irving was the only Cavalier to get off, with 21 points on 9-17 shooting. Their other mainstay, Antawn Jamison, went 1-8 for 3 points. Unless it's a point guard, this year's Portland team seems pretty good at picking one person to defend and making it stick.
Final Thoughts
A revenge win against the Clippers is the next order of business. Then a tough test against Orlando a night later. Then the Blazers get a baptism by fire on an excruciating road trip. This is about to get interesting. No matter how humdrum games and wins like this seem in the moment, when those final standings are published in the spring Portland may be quite glad they notched the victory tonight.
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New team rule:
Nobody gets to attempt a three until they convert a layup or some free throws.
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Jan 8, 2012 10:03 PM PST via mobile reply actions 6 recs
Let's give it a Matthews exception however.
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by Doctor Worm on Jan 8, 2012 10:06 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Kurt Thomas should get an exemption too because he is a grandfather
This is my signature. Do you like it?
I like it.
Other team rule:
LA is stripped of all L-Train credits lest he gets in the post and bumps some uglies.
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by Oh. Em. Gee. on Jan 9, 2012 9:54 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
We actually covered this very early on
maybe before the season began. Finishing strong in traffic is not a skill that any of these guys have. People are slapping their foreheads like, “I can’t believe it!” but it’s actually quite believable. Matthews has never been good at it, Felton is shaky if he gets too deep, Wallace can finish great if he’s in the clear but not under pressure, Crawford doesn’t generally get that close. Batum is the best hope be he doesn’t have that aggressive mindset that some of the best finishers do even if he has the grace and speed. The comforts are two:
1. At least we don’t have to watch Rudy Fernandez try to do it anymore. If you think this looks bad, go back and look at highlights of Rudy’s finishes off the dribble. At least these guys have the ball touch the rim in some kind of recognizable fashion. Rudy’s shots were like a round, orange circus.
2. Eliot Williams? Maybe someday?
—Dave
by Dave on Jan 8, 2012 10:15 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Has Matthews passed the ball on the break this year?
I don’t think so.
This is an issue with Matthews
I wish I could write a post on some of these things but the games are so jammed together that the Preview-Recap treadmill takes all of my time.
Wesley is a good player and could absolutely be a key cog for a championship team, in IMPORTANCE (notice I did NOT say style of play) somewhere around the Manu Ginobili-Bruce Bowen level when they were in their heyday for San Antonio. He’s got plenty of skills and plenty of speed. The thing is, I don’t get the sense that Wesley knows who Wesley is. When things start rolling for him, when he’s at his absolute peak, he’s flawlessly tuned into the defense and on offense he’s catching and shooting, raining threes and taking the occasional other shot that the defense gives him. But then all of a sudden it seems like a switch flips and he starts playing like he’s a #1 option in the offense with mad driving skills and handles and the ability to make jumpers in any situation. That’s not his game at all. When he’s shooting straight I’m sure every shot feels good but that’s a far cry from every shot being a good shot for him.
What’s worse is the more into “offensive superstar” mode he gets the less focus (maybe energy, I don’t know) he seems to have for the defensive end. So when the game falls apart for him it falls apart altogether: not as many stops, zeroes in multiple stat categories, and either missing or forced out of plenty of shots.
I guess (I hope, anyway) that this is an understanding the game issue and not a permanent condition. I hope that understanding evolves. Right now, probably like you, every time I see him keep the ball in a 3-on-1 or 3-on-2 situation I’m going, “You know that you’re the last person who should be taking that drive right now, right?” It doesn’t help that his sense of spacing on the break is also somewhat poor. But even were that not the case, that isn’t his strong suit.
—Dave
he just needs to be doing a lot more "wing" on those 3 on 2 or 3 on 1 situtaions
and a lot less ball handler. every time he’s driving with the ball on the break, you know one of 3 things will happen:
1) he will force up a wild layup attempt, which might go in, but was more difficult than the dunk he could have gotten a teammate
2) he will commit a charge or bad pass turnover
3) he will get fouled and go to the line – again, not as good as the dunk a teammate would have had
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This used to be the main issue for Martell, too
He would be cold on one end, lazy or a step slow on the other, then BANG! He’s get a block, and he’d get hot, and the offense would rain. Or he’d be cold, somehow get a dunk, then a play later he’s stripping the ball or intercepting a pass, and you come back from getting some popcorn and you’re like, “He’s scored 12 points while I was gone.”
by FlyingOutlaw on Jan 8, 2012 11:52 PM PST up reply actions
They did look better than this at it last season though
I’m still hoping they settle into this some more. Lots of lay-ups being missed by other teams too so I expect it to get better at least.
Again, a lot of that was Andre and Roy.
Two guys who DO know how to finish in traffic. I will say Matthews is a little better at it than he gets credit for. He got more friendly rolls than others tonight.
truth
though Wes and Nic were still better at it last year.
This is what I miss most about Andre Miller by far.
Say what you will about the guy but he converts his layups.
I miss it from Roy too obviously, but it’s not what I miss most from his game…
Because if we could make lay-ups
we would score 200 pts. per game and throw off the balance of the universe
we can still win........
by RastaMonsta on Jan 8, 2012 10:07 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Dunk dunk
Dunk.
Also, too many layups with the players’ head down, not even looking at the rim.
by JMLakaShotCaller on Jan 8, 2012 10:08 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Luckily the layups haven't burned us yet
but one day we’ll lose by 2 and then we’ll be sorry.
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We were actually making layups then
And that wasn’t our problem that game anyway. We were so out of it we could have made all our points off layups it wouldn’t have mattered.
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We missed a boatload of layups in the first half, IIRC
…and we only lost by 5.
I was thinking that
the first half was so bad for us mentally that even if we had made them we’d have let LAC blow it out again. Some missed layups down the stretch on the other hand would have been killer. But I guess I’m going down the rabbit hole or assumptions.
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Felton didn't have an off night, he had an AWFUL night. 5 TO's.
Felton is shooting 12% from the 3-pt line and unlike Andre Miller he can’t limit himself to one 3-pt shot every two games. He is attempting (almost too nice a word) 3.1 3-pt shots per game while making about 1 of 8 “attempts”. i.e. he dreams of being an outside gunner but he’s causing nightmares. He ain’t that hot at finishing around the rim either.
Felton needs to start improving (limiting TO’s, stop shooting the 3-ball, and finish around the rim while making better judgments on when to drop the ball off after penetrating). Otherwise, we might as well hasten his departure (which happens at the end of the season anyway) before the trade deadline. We might as well look for a much better, veteran, short-term, nearing retirement PG to get us somewhere this season if we are going PG hunting again this summer anyway.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jan 8, 2012 10:27 PM PST reply actions
Feltons PER this year is 11.1
Andre Miller is 18.9 this year pretty much where he was last year.
People seem to forget that even though Miller didn’t shoot threes his career FG% is .458 right up there with Roy, Kobe and Allen.
He was good at lay-ups too!
Miller was at 7.2 for assists to 6.7 for Felton.
Aldridge said Miller taught him how to position himself easy lay-up from passes of lobs.
So Far Felton is a downgrade!
Hopefully he’ll find his shot and get in the flow of the game better, let’s hope it’s soon!
Whatever Felton is
or isn’t, Miller could finish in the paint. But Felton is younger and has more of a mid- and long-range game usually. If the Blazers weren’t planning on keeping Miller anyway, this was the way to go.
—Dave
We had to take a chance on Felton because we didn't want to keep Miller.
But it’s not looking good so far that we will want to keep Felton either (things could change but the odds are growing longer the more I see). There’s time to make that decision before the trade deadline, so we should be looking around even if it’s for another temp if we want to get out of the first round or better this year. We don’t need to be stuck with Felton this year if there’s no long term future for him here.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jan 8, 2012 10:55 PM PST up reply actions
If Miller Taught Aldridge to position himself to get these easy buckets, how come LA is still always out of position? He still catches the ball way too far out! I just don’t get it.
Miller wasn't LMA's coach
McMillan is LMA’s coach….
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by blacknoiseNW on Jan 8, 2012 11:34 PM PST up reply actions
And Felton passes it to LMA differently
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Felton passes the ball to LA much too low and tries to thread passes through traffic.
It’s difficult for a big guy to catch passes in close down at his waist and then difficult to get the ball up into shooting position. It’s much easier for defenders to poke the ball away during all that ball motion. Felton was also suppose to be a master at the pick and roll. I think I’ve seen one Felton/LA pick and roll this year. All the rest were pick and pops and Felton’s not nearly as good at that as Brandon or Miller were.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jan 9, 2012 1:30 AM PST up reply actions
well, if Felton has a proven track record of PnR play (look at NY last season)
and we aren’t doing much PnR this year, I don’t think it’s fair to blame Felton.
I don’t disagree on your other points however.
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The PnR fail is all on Aldridge.
Dude isn’t consider enough in his handle to take two dribbles towards the rim. And I don’t blame him. LMA slaps at the ball like a (ahem) girl.
by Oden Mad, Oden Smash! on Jan 9, 2012 11:53 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
He gets steals
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It's up to Felton and LA to develop that PnR together, it's not one or the other.
Felton was playing with Amare at NY, who became an excellent PnR player with Nash. So it’s not known whether Felton can develop that capability with another player that wasn’t previously doing it. We shall see.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jan 9, 2012 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
yeah need muuuuuch more from the new PG
He’s played 10 games with the team. The very least I want to see from him is taking care of the ball and some efficient scoring.
I understand it will take him more time to run the team effectively but don’t turn the ball over and don’t brick 65% of your shots.
It obviously wasn't to awful if we won by 20.
3-pt% doesn’t really mean much this early, too small of a sample size. For example Richard Jefferson is shooting something crazy like 60% from 3-pt land, that’s definitely not going to stick.
A lot of Felton’s 3’s seem to be coming as the shot clock winds down or Lamarcus passing out of a double team and Felton trying to make them pay for the double. It’s not so much the FG% that is important right now, but more-so that the flow of the offense looks right. The best shooters become shooters from practice and repetition, and if you haven’t noticed shooting is looking ugly all around the league right now.
Raymond isn’t an awesome 3 point shooter, but he’s not a bad one. I would rather look at his career numbers when it comes to shooting than a small sample size of 8 games. Also with the quicker pace the Blazers are playing at this year, turnovers are going to be more frequent… it’s just how it works. Also Andre had time to get used to the team, Raymond is still getting used to his brand new team mates.
Step off the ledge
I don't think we know about three-point shooting
or any kind of shooting yet. But the problem with Felton’s turnovers is that so many of them haven’t come in break or pressure situations. He’s just getting his dribble picked. That’s a big sin for a point guard, let alone an experienced one.
—Dave
that worries me
Many times it looks like he’s lost the ball in his legs. It’s had me wondering how good his handles are in the half court and traffic. Is Felton one of those guys that can handle the ball mostly in run and gun mostly because he’s freakishly fast?
When he’s being pressured while he’s bringing the ball up he looks more hectic and stressed than skilled. I’m used to seeing Dre handle the ball competantly.
Kind of freaks me out.
Gotta live with some of it
because not everyone is Andre Miller. Felton has a whole season to show what he’s made of. Hopefully this will smooth out.
—Dave
Funny thing is I'll start whining about Felton more and more
and then he’ll put up a solid game and shut me up. I’m just hoping “solid game” becomes somewhat consistent.
Regression to the mean bound to happen sometime
Felton’s cumulative stats are unlikely to look like his career stats at the end of the season – but I will hazard a guess that he will be playing at least at his career level by then…
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by blacknoiseNW on Jan 8, 2012 11:39 PM PST up reply actions
Felton's value as compared to Andre will show itself come playoff time.
I’ll say this much. In our one meeting with OKC, Felton matched up with Russell Westbrook better than Andre EVER did. If we meet them in the playoffs that’ll be big.
You mention shooting threes
and Devyn mentioned the last second three. I was just wondering, do ever notice the Wesley Matthews Desperation Play? It always seems to me like 75% of the time the shot clock is down to 5 or so with Wes on the court someone will just dump the ball to him and he’ll have to put up some awful shot with no time to do anything else. Thoughts?
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Oh, the ol' Flaming Bag!
Brandon used to throw those at Outlaw and Blake all the time.
by FlyingOutlaw on Jan 8, 2012 11:55 PM PST up reply actions
That's bunk. All bad 3-pt shooters get flaming bag passes according to their fans.
Good 3-pt shooters make those shots, and bad 3-pt shooters mostly miss whether they get passes late or early. That’s a tired, tired excuse for bad shooters.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jan 9, 2012 1:33 AM PST up reply actions
I'm not saying he makes or doesn't make them at any
different rate. And whether or not he has to take bad those shots doesn’t change the fact that Matthew’s is a decent-good three shooter. I’m just saying Wes seems to me like the Blazers go-to option when the shot-clock’s winding down.
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OK. Wesley's a good 3-pt shooter so he should be a target for late shots.
Batum’s a decent 3-pt shooter too and should be another target when the clock is down. What worries me is guys like Felton shooting 12% and Crawford shooting 27%. Hopefully Crawford’s percentage will come up and Felton will quit shooting 3’s, or at least take them only when he is open.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jan 9, 2012 1:57 AM PST up reply actions
What worries me is JC shooting so much that he takes everybody esle out of the game.
Also he is missing most of hs shots. That leaves Batum not getting quality looks because he is to busy running back on D covering JC’s misses.
hg
by BBK on Jan 9, 2012 7:16 AM PST up reply actions
Yep, I said before the season started that Batum would be the victim
of JC and Felton handling the ball so much and taking so many shots. Not many people agreed at the time, but I think that is what we are seeing now.
JC is going to dominate the ball and shoot us into some games and out of some games. He isn’t a rock-solid steady player the way Broy was, who had good games and great games. JC has bad games and good games with an occasional great game. That’s why he is a 6th man and not a starter.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jan 9, 2012 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
definitely want to see better play from Felton
but one thing you have to credit him for – he is absoultely the key to our up-tempo fast break success this year, so give him that at least. Hopefully the shooting improves and the turnovers come down. If not, we go looking for a new PG this summer. Deron Williams? (I know, I know…)
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
I'm not convinced this team is better with the up-tempo game yet.
They are so poor at handling the ball on the break they aren’t getting that many fast break points and getting too many turnovers. But it’s too early to put the breaks on yet. Let’s see what happens on this long road trip and the back-back-back that follows. I’m guessing they are going to tire themselves out trying to run and then hopefully they have a half court game to fall back on. Otherwise, it could get ugly (uglier).
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jan 9, 2012 2:01 AM PST up reply actions
have you watched our half court play?
If we aren’t getting out in transitions, we are just awful. our half court game is UGLY.
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
I'm talking about running now being better than last year's slower game.
The question will be what happens when we hit the road for long stretches (starting late this week) and the team is really too tired to run a faster tempo. If we don’t execute in the half court we are going to get killed.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jan 9, 2012 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
Totally agree with Aldridge assessment.
It’s not enough to work the ball to him; They’ve got to work the ball to him low.
"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.
one adjustment i saw in the 2nd half
and it helped get him some closer catches. Rather than simply post him, they went back to setting cross-screens in the paint to try and prevent him from getting rooted out so easily on the catch.
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This plays to Aldridge's strength
(and their other post players, too)….
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by blacknoiseNW on Jan 9, 2012 12:08 AM PST up reply actions
Through 8 games, name this player:
1 assist per game & 0.72 assist-to-turnover ratio.
…
On an unrelated note, Bill Belichick will take care of things next weekend.
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Make an argument that the stat is relevant...
and get back to us…
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by blacknoiseNW on Jan 8, 2012 11:44 PM PST up reply actions
Admit you're wrong.
If I can cop to being wrong about McMillan upping pace, then you can do this.
If not, then that says a lot about you.
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We know you don't like Batum
but staying locked in on his assist to TO ratio doesn’t make a case that he is a bad player…
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by blacknoiseNW on Jan 8, 2012 11:49 PM PST up reply actions
Nope, Russ is at 5.3 assists per game with a 1.3 assist-to-turnover ratio.
That’s a pretty weak assist-to-turnover ratio for him, though. That I don’t deny.
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Some quick research shows that Batum and Wes both have stats
close enough to that for me to eyeball without a calculator and say they could be who you’re talking about.
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Wallace and Mathews are at .7
Batum at .8
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by blacknoiseNW on Jan 8, 2012 11:52 PM PST up reply actions
Regardless
Wallace, Mathews and Batum are going to have low ratios because of the offense design – wings don’t play point
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by blacknoiseNW on Jan 8, 2012 11:53 PM PST up reply actions
(for McMillan)
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by blacknoiseNW on Jan 8, 2012 11:53 PM PST up reply actions
Yup, Nate has never had a wing
who put up a decent number of assists.
But regardless, I agree that for the most part it’s irrelevant, but it’s not like BE doesn’t have a large (or at least very active) constituency arguing that we can run the offense through Nic.
Roy was more PG than wing
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by blacknoiseNW on Jan 9, 2012 12:06 AM PST up reply actions
No, he played the 2.
Just like how in Seattle the offense ran through Ray Allen a lot at the 2.
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If Nicolas runs the offense, he'll become a TO machine like in Europe.
It’ll be a disaster. Any competent coach would keep the ball out of his hands.
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You mean the Batum that lead Euroleague in Ranking?
I assume the point was raised for a reason – but the reason seems more petty than anything…
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by blacknoiseNW on Jan 8, 2012 11:57 PM PST up reply actions
if I'm reading the Euro stats correctly (possibly a big if)
Batum was 3rd in APG, and had the highest Turnover pg
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by Sean in Vancouver on Jan 9, 2012 12:00 AM PST up reply actions
Besides the sample size issues
actually – sample size issues can’t be set aside. Batum was productive in his six games – but generated almost all his turnovers in just a couple of games…
Six games, couple of games – both have to be taken in context…
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by blacknoiseNW on Jan 9, 2012 12:02 AM PST up reply actions
kind of like how Portland has been pretty good re: turnovers
except for the two games we had 20+?
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by Sean in Vancouver on Jan 9, 2012 12:03 AM PST up reply actions
Huh
just glancing at Nic’s splits for the (small small sample) season and he generally puts in a much worse game in our wins than our losses. Something I’ll keep an eye on through the season.
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Further review shows that
Nic’s splits are a whole bunch of weird.
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I think that Batum kind of gets lost in the flow when we're doing good
not that he necesarily plays poorly, just you don’t really notice him
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by Sean in Vancouver on Jan 9, 2012 12:02 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah that makes sense
but it could say something about Nic on the team if it holds over the long term.
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possibly
but I don’t think its necesarily a bad thing, he’s almost always effective, hits a timely 3 here, blocks a layup there, picks up some crucial rebounds, and takes his turn D-ing up the opponents best player.
on a somewhat similar note, Aldridge is a guy who’s play (to me) sort of fly’s under the radar, it seems like toward the end of every game I end up trying to figure out how the heck he has 24 and 7
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by Sean in Vancouver on Jan 9, 2012 12:08 AM PST up reply actions
I didn't mean to say it's bad per se
just that he may not be as essential as people seem to think sometimes. What you said about Aldridge makes perfect sense to me.
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Yeah, Aldridge and Batum both have a little bit of that
“effortlessness” about them. They both play well, in their own way, put up decent stats, but you don’t really notice it.
There’s been multiple times already this year where Crash will have something like 18-8-4-4 and everyone says he’s the heart of the team, Aldridge will go for 24-7-4-4 and people complain that he isnt crashing the boards hard enough.
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by Sean in Vancouver on Jan 9, 2012 12:18 AM PST up reply actions
I don't think I've ever seen GW make a pass
after taking a step with the ball or even attempt a cross-over.
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Not to say that's a bad thing.
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It happened tonight
Wallace picked up a couple of assists off the dribble…Batum’s three in the corner was off a cross court pass from Wallace off the dribble
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by blacknoiseNW on Jan 8, 2012 11:54 PM PST up reply actions
Hm
confirmation bias I guess.
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has anyone here claimed Batum has pg handles?
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by Sean in Vancouver on Jan 8, 2012 11:55 PM PST up reply actions
A few people have argued playing him periodically at the 1, yes.
It’s rare, but that has happened. Mostly, people want him playing the 2.
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he played the 2 twice tonight
not sure if it’s a new rotation or what, but both in the mid-first and mid-third he subbed in for Wesley. I would like to continue to see more of Batum and Wallace on the court together, so I hope this new pattern isn’t just a one-game anomaly. Not suggesting i want Nic running the offense, but I don’t want Wesley doing that either, so both of them should be fairly interchangeable in most situations.
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After today's game, Wes' numbers have improved.
Most sites have only calculated the numbers through 7 games.
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Wes is averaging 1.4 assists per game and has an assist-to-turnover ratio of 1.
Today’s game helped him a lot in Matthews’ regard.
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Yeah he was previously worse than Batum
after 7 games he was 1.1 assists to 1.6 TO
whereas Batum was 1.0 to 1.3
True, Wes also isn't anything to write home about.
Starting two wings with poor handles and fuzzy court vision will kill this team.
Any well-built team has two players with good handles and sharp court vision on the court at any given time. One of those players is usually at the 1 — although the Jordan/Pippen era Bulls were an exception — while another one plays at the 2 or the 3.
Portland, without question, is lacking in this department, which is its fatal flaw.
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Ironically - Batum provides an improvement in this regard
Especially if you take career stats into consideration. Batum has a historically low TO rate in the NBA – and a much better “hands rating” than Mathews.
Mathews has terrible handles – and relative to Mathews – Batum is an improvement.
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by blacknoiseNW on Jan 9, 2012 12:04 AM PST up reply actions
Come, AK
Sure, it’s a flaw, but plenty of teams win titles with only one player that would fit that description. Who was the 2nd player on any of the two most recent Laker title teams, the 2006 Heat (retiring GP is a serious stretch there), the 2004 Pistons (don’t try to sell us on Rip Hamilton’s “vision”), the original Laker threepeat, the 1999 Spurs (I’d settle for a single player there).
Of course it’s a flaw, one of many with the current Blazer team, but unless you use an extremely liberal definition of “good handles and sharp court vision” and/or specifically included post players, it would hardly be considered a fatal one.
The 2006 Miami Heat had Jason Williams and Gary Payton.
They sucked at many parts of the game, but their handles and court vision were fine.
All the point guards on those Laker teams from the early-2000s and late-2000s — ranging from Derek Fisher and Brian Shaw to Jordan Farmar and, once again, Derek Fisher — were better ball handlers and distributors than any of the Blazer wings. Plus, the late-2000s Lakers had Lamar Odom and a good passing big in Pau Gasol.
And yes, Richard Hamilton is a better facilitator than either Batum or Matthews. He’s got subpar handles, but is still a sharp passer within the offense. Unlike Rip, Nico and Wes aren’t productive distributors.
I’ll grant you the ‘99 Spurs, for sure. Yet, once the Blazers have a Twin Tower lineup akin to D-Rob and Duncan, I’ll cut the wings some slack. Until then, I won’t do it. I can’t do it.
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Better than Nic and Wes, sure
But “good” and “sharp”, give me a break on Rip and the most recent vintage of Derek Fisher. But really it’s just moving the goal posts at this point. All of them are mediocre at best in the given year, and even then, it’s somewhat beside the point. Plenty of great teams have existed with only one. It would be a stretch to say that the late 90’s Utah teams lost because Jeff Hornacek was a poor ball handler rather than because Michael Jordan was on the other team (and we can include the 1994 Rockets if we’re going back to the 90’s, too). Same with Steve Nash and the 2006-2008 Suns.
Irrespective of its fatality, though, it’s a huge flaw no doubt, compounded by the fact that Ray Felton is no John Stockton or Steve Nash, but I think saying that Rip Hamilton levels of playmaking isn’t achievable by essentially any halfway decent wing in the league (which I’d include Wes and Nic in) is wrong. They need to improve, but it’s not like we’re talking a quantum leap to get to a level where it wouldn’t be considered “fatal”.
True, there's some hyperbole on my part.
Regardless of if I overstated things by using the phrase “fatal flaw” and claiming it “will kill this team,” there’s still a problem here in wing play.
Now, when you bring up Richard Hamilton, I actually think that’s more indicative of Wes. Swapping Matthews out with a Rip — or, perhaps, a present-day J.J. Redick, who’s better than a 33-year-old Hamilton — would go a long way on improving the team’s passing as a collective unit.
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Your fishing AK.
The Blazers have the best small forward duo in the league, and are stacked with guards of all positions. Nico playing the 1 or 2 is not even an issue.
Whatever your issue is with Nico, get over it already !
just win baby !
It has less to do with Nico himself and more to do with how I don't like ...
wings with poor handles in general. I also don’t like players such as Kevin Durant, Danny Granger, and Rudy Gay — all of whom are loved by many — for that very reason.
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Back to back 2 game home stand
and then a crazy road trip. Really interested to see what our record looks like to start February.
by poorwebguy on Jan 8, 2012 11:47 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Portland is back up to #2 in the west behind OKC. Crazy. They were #5 yesterday.
#52--------I believe in Greg Oden
which proves that it's far too early to be standings watching.
how about we start that March 1st?
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Because it would be cool to see Nate coach the All-Star game so is it okay if we start watching on February 1st instead?
Who's that tromping across my bedge?
It is to early but it is fun.
We can change rapidly by March 1st also because I think teams will go up and down rapidly while going through different phases of their schedule.
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by BBK on Jan 9, 2012 7:37 AM PST up reply actions

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