Game 21 Recap: Portland Trail Blazers 89, Utah Jazz 93
In a Nutshell
The Blazers play physical basketball and shoot a high percentage to maintain an 8-10 point lead through much of the game before the Jazz use their strengths of inside scoring, offensive rebounding, and fast breaking to steamroll the Blazers in the late third and fourth periods. Nicolas Batum saves Portland's chances with a flurry of three-point shots but goes down with a knee injury in the critical closing seconds of the game. An MRI is scheduled.
Game Flow
This game got physical and gritty early and the Blazers were ready for it. Utah flow chart reads: Fast Break-Get It Inside-Rebound Your Miss. The Blazers took most of that away through shoving, bumping, grinding, and out-muscling their hosts. The Jazz never got to run unless the Blazers turned over the ball. The Blazers outrebounded Utah as well. With those areas in check defending was a simple matter of sending extra help into the paint whenever the ball entered. Portland ended up shooting in the 50% range for the quarter while the Jazz were in the 30's. Portland led 26-20 after one.
Portland had some bobbles with their bench players in the second period, not only through the usual turnovers but with energy in general. The starters wound down and couldn't keep up the pace. The bench didn't respond with fire. Portland's offense drifted towards jumpers. Utah ran off of their misses. Steals and tough-nosed first quarter plays became fouls in the second. Portland was over the foul limit by the 6:30 mark of the period. The saving graces for Portland were two: the Jazz still couldn't hit a jumper and the Blazers went crazy blocking shots. Portland's offense was scattered with Raymond Felton, Jamal Crawford, and LaMarcus Aldridge all getting chances to create with varying levels of success. The Blazers couldn't buy a long ball to save their lives which made Utah's defensive task that much easier. When the dust cleared both teams managed 19 points in the period and Portland led 45-39 at the half.
As has been typical of late, Aldridge came out and ripped apart the entire court in the third period. He scored 14 of the 18 points the Blazers notched in the first six and a half minutes of the quarter. The Jazz had no answer for him defensively. He just buried them. Utah finally managed to connect with some longer shots early in the period. This kept them breathing but it didn't look good. When Aldridge finished his flurry they were down 11. Then the Blazers got tired again. Aldridge started pulling his jumpers. The Blazers committed turnovers again. They started putting the Jazz on the line, allowing offensive rebounds, all the things that plagued them in the second period. When Gordon Hayward--not exactly an offensive machine--hit the second of this two threes in the period Utah was even. The Blazers would eke out a single point advantage heading into the fourth, 70-69.
The beginning of the fourth period was typified by two trends. Portland's wobbly defense broke altogether. Their halfcourt rotations were slow, their transition effort poor...it was as if the Jazz had developed powers vampiric, sapping all of the energy Portland had evidenced early in this game and using it for themselves. BUT the Blazers were saved by Nicolas Batum going on a tear, popping three-pointers like they were Cheetos. He connected with three triples in four Portland possessions in just two minutes, putting the Blazers up 5 again with 9:00 left in the game. It looked like the Blazers might earn the victory after all. But seasoned 2011-12 observers know what happens when the Blazers have to rely on threes to keep them afloat. Batum's grand makes turned into spectacular misses for the likes of Felton and Crawford. Indeed, after Batum hit his third long ball at the 9:10 mark the Blazers did not score again until the clock read 3:29. The closest non-blocked shot by far in that span was a 15-footer. Six attempts came from 20 feet or more. Meanwhile the Jazz rebounded the orange off the ball, won every 50-50 opportunity, blitzed their break opportunities, and just destroyed Portland in the paint.
Still, this game wasn't over. The Blazers were still within 2 with the ball and under 30 seconds left. Ironically after shooting tons of threes they shouldn't have, they passed up 2.5 open looks from beyond the arc when it would have put them ahead, instead calling a timeout off of a stalled set. That's when Batum's number got called and the Basketball Gods decided to continue their five-year game of Whac-a-Mole with any Blazer who starts to distinguish himself. Batum drove right, across the top of the key, then got the ball poked away as he crumpled in a heap holding his knee. Even the Utah crowd, by this time in a frenzy, went silent as he was carried off the court, hopping on one leg.
But this game STILL wasn't over. After an exchange of scores and foul shots closed Utah's lead to but 1 with four seconds left C.J. Miles, to this point playing a near-flawless half, missed the second of his two free throws, leaving the Blazers down only 2. Sadly, the Blazers couldn't rebound that missed free throw. Blowing a foul shot rebound is a grievous sin at any time, but when possession will allow you to tie or win the game it's near unforgivable. But that's exactly how the final period went for Portland. The Jazz connected on a couple more charity tosses to provide the final margin, 93-89.
Take-Away Points
This game told the story of Portland's season so far: looking good coming out of the gate, showing some solid individual talent and inspirational play, but ultimately getting beaten down because of fatigue, the other team's depth, lack of shooting, or a combination thereof.
That said, the only real take-away point is the health of Batum...the one Blazer besides LaMarcus Aldridge clearly shining over the past couple of weeks. Portland needs him badly. That bench can't take a single extended injury.
Individual Notes
LaMarcus Aldridge rode that third quarter to a game-high 25 points on 11-20 shooting. He had 7 rebounds (so-so considering the Jazz let him defend inside most of the night) and 2 blocks. He looked brilliant but he also ran out of steam.
Gerald Wallace had a pretty solid game with 9 rebounds, 9 points on 4-7 shooting, and 4 assists. Even so, his energy looks more sporadic now than it did earlier in the year. This season may wear on him more than most.
Marcus Camby had only 5 rebounds but played some monster defense and ate up 4 blocks worth of Jazz shots. He didn't make as big of a difference as he did in those 20-rebound games but he was alright.
Raymond Felton 2-9, 1-5 from distance. Wesley Matthews 3-12, 0-5 from distance. Sigh. At least Felton had 7 assists.
Nicolas Batum was the star off of the bench, connecting on 4 of 5 threes for 15 points. His "D" was pretty good too. (Glaring at the guards here.)
Jamal Crawford shot an effective 6-12 for 14 points and had a couple of great looking drives but never looked comfortable at point, committing 4 turnovers. He's fine when you leave him alone but ever time you confuse matters by sending a pick his way he gets flustered.
Kurt Thomas had a great time in the middle quarters, playing 15 minutes, connecting on 2-3 shots, grabbing 5 boards, and blocking 2 shots. Nice game from him.
Craig Smith, on the other hand, went 1-4 with only 2 rebounds in 8 minutes. This continues the recent trend. I realize the Blazers need him as a post threat but my suggestion is that any game wherein Smith has more shot attempts than rebounds be labeled at best a questionable one for him, if not bad.
Fun With Numbers
- The Blazers shot a very nice 46% to Utah's 38% BUT...
- Utah: 18 offensive rebounds. (Blazers: 5)
- Utah: 20 fast break points. (Blazers: 8)
- Utah: 51 rebounds total, Blazers 37 on a night when the Jazz missed far more shots than did Portland
- Utah: 26-38 from the foul line, Blazers: 10-13. That was a legit deficit too. Portland actually got some early calls. The Jazz just kept up the inside pressure and won the physical battle.
Final Thoughts
Get well, Monsieur Batum.
You can read the Jazz side of what turned out to be a great win for them at SLC Dunk.
Trail Blazers vs Jazz boxscore.
Congratulations to darkwebs who has won this month's jersey in the Blazersedge Jersey Contest. You can see the scoreboard here and enter February's first game over here.
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I was "watching" this game on my phone
in the 4th quarter and the story it told was a familiar one. Jazz player makes driving layup. Blazer player misses 20 foot jumper. Jazz player makes free throws. Blazer player misses 24 foot 3 point shot. Etc.
I don’t know if it’s the system, the coach, the personnel, fatigue or what, but I’m incredibly tired of the Blazers trying to shoot their way to victories from the outside and completely abandoning the inside and drives to the basket. Games where they do that with any kind of consistency are very few and far between. They are not a good outside shooting team. I really wish they’d stop pretending like they are.
I'm beginning to think it's a depth/fatigue issue
I always thought that sort of, but watching games like this makes me even more sure. They play great in spurts. But they just can’t keep up their best style for extended minutes and they don’t have enough reliable bench production to make up for the lack of energy.
—Dave
And lets face it - they don't finish at the rim very well either
LA is the extent of our post game and he is often our most consistent shooter. We run some high pick and rolls and otherwise the wings often miss from distance and miss from in close. Batum looked great for a bit tonight but he was the exception, again.
put a body on 'em
I think it also has to do with Utah's altitude...4320 ft. Never seems to be mentioned.
While Denver’s is…only 960 ft lower than Denver. I think SLC’s altitude affects visiting teams. And the Blazers had to play way more defense than the Jazz..with all of those offensive rebounds…the Blazers had to re-defend every time this happened.
This will wear anyone down.
So yes, fatigue did play a big part in this game. Breathing thin air and playing way more defense due to lack of offensive rebounding.
Also..why wasn’t CAMBY in the game at the end for that rebound?!@!!!!!!! Yes there were no time outs but McMillan could have put him in after the first free throw.
What’s HIS excuse??!!
The Blazers seemed to make a visible effort to combat the fatigue in the 4th
…but – too little too late.
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Jan 30, 2012 11:54 PM PST up reply actions
@Dave:
This is what I am starting to suspect. Not enough stamina to play their up-tempo game for 48 minutes, and not good enough out side shooting normally to keep us ahead while getting our legged re-fueled with oxygen.
Most of the fans have been crying for more bench time to give our starters more time to rest, but Nate pushes his starters to the fatigue point. That is not so much critical of Nate as it is dangerous for winning games. As last night showed when the going got tough and our starters started folding our bench players didn’t have enough game time to continue.
What-ever the real reason is, if we start slow we finish good, if we start good we finish bad, and that, like you points to fatigue and intestinal fortitude to go out and get it.
hg
we had two days since our last game a blowout in which the starters sat most of the 4th
They simply arent playing well as a unit it has nothing to do with more rest .
by Willie Beamon on Jan 31, 2012 8:50 AM PST up reply actions
I am speaking of in game rest not season rest.
If you try running 4 quarters in one game your lack of conditioning and lack of stamina will show up. It doesn’t matter if you had a week off. when you start running at high tempo you are going to get an oxygen debt. but if you put in more fresh legs that could play at a high tempo and give the starters breaks more often then that would help tremendously. Maybe like a relay then a mile run.
hg
Fatigue/schedule/depth is such a LAME excuse
All these players whining about no training camp, not being in shape, tired legs, etc. might be valid if EVERY OTHER TEAM WASN’T IN THE SAME BOAT! Every single game, the guys we play against have had the same off-season, the same training camp, and the same schedule, more or less. There are those who would say depth is one of the Blazers’ strengths, and our guys aren’t logging any more minutes than any other team.
How is it that it hurts us more than other teams?
It doesn't
look at the home record and away record of most teams and you will see it is the same factor. Some of the teams are sitting their starters more minutes per game, some or running reserves in and out of line-ups to help with the road game woes, but all in all this does effect all, and it is a factor.
hg
How is it "a factor"?
I guess that’s my point. The teams that are beating us are tired, too. They also didn’t get much of a training camp, and quite a few of our L’s came from teams that played the night before.
It would be a factor if somehow the Blazers had been treated differently than other teams, but that’s not the case. The teams with better W-L records haven’t played more home games and fewer road games, they haven’t had easier schedules, their starters don’t play fewer minutes, so why is it somehow affecting us worse?
I think the factor he's referring to is that very few teams are winning on the road around the league
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Gaah!
Yes, but if all teams have more or less the same number of home and away games, the teams with better records must be winning a few more of the away games or something, right?
At the very least, it’s not problem specific to the Blazers, therefore not a very valid explanation of the woes.
well, in the Clippers' case they've played several fewer road games than us
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jan 31, 2012 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
I thought that was one of our strengths!
Granted, only 2 of our 5 starters should be starters, but not many teams have something better than Nic Batum and Jamal Crawford coming off their bench, along with Thomas and Smith.
Just because Nate choses not to play them doesn’t mean our bench isn’t as deep as at least the NBA average. Hell, maybe that’s part of it. How do you define depth?
guys who can play most games productively
our bench has yet to prove consistent.
Even Smith, who was picked up for an inside presence and rebounding presence, has yet to fulfill the latter.
"If you can do a half-assed job of anything, you're a one-eyed man in a kingdom of the blind."
by thankyouforblaze on Jan 31, 2012 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
Depth yes, fatigue no...
I don’t buy the fatigue issue one bit. These guys are professional athletes that play basketball for a living. We’ve all probably played in run and gun open gym games for hours on end and been just fine doing it. There are enough stops in play in the NBA game with timeouts and foul shots that guys can catch a breath between runs. Considering we gave them 38 foul shots, there were plenty of stops in play last night.
We are clearly lacking in depth and I would add consistency. There is not a single starter outside of Aldridge that has been remotely consistent this year. I don’t ask much from Camby offensively but when there are that many rebounds to be had, 5 is not enough (especially after getting 58 in the previous three games). We all know how Wallace has been on the road vs home. He was OK last night and I was glad he got a little chippy. We need that more often because none of these guys seem to have that “I’m gonna kick your butt” attitude when they step on the court. If you are letting Earl Watson get the best of you something is seriously wrong. As for Felton, he is obviously struggling with his own offense. He had several Andre Miller-esque open three point shots (meaning nobody on the Jazz was even bothering to defend the same zip code he was in) that he missed. He’s in his own head at this point. Ditto for Matthews. At least Matthews is showing more to his game in terms of driving with the occasional dish.
As for the bench, Batum is coming around. Hopefully he is on an upward trajectory. I pray he is not seriously hurt. Crawford is an enigma. I love so much of his game and hate so much of his game. He is the one guy that has ice enough in his veins to take any shot under any given situation. We need that. He is also the one guy to take the most ill advised shot in the most ill advised situation. We don’t need that. Too much playground his his ball handling. Thomas is Thomas. You won’t bank on him to win you games but he’s probably not going lose it for you either. Ditto for Rhino. As for the rest, there is a reason they are not playing….
#7
by clinchmobb on Jan 31, 2012 9:16 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I see your point and that does put a different light on things.
If you are grinding it out, some teams seems to be better at that then others, and I was blaming that on to fatigue but maybe it is just the type players we have.
I am total agreement with you on the consistency thing. It is just so many if’s and why’s floating around in my head that I lose track of some of the basics. That does lead up to my points that I have been trying to make, We win at home but our shooting is just as inconsistent at home as it is on the road.
You said it exactly as I feel about Crawford, We need his experience and ability to score, but we need his game that he brought in the Phoenix game, not the Crawford that tries to be the whole team.
hg
We simply don't have any tough guys on this team...
You ever notice how Kobe and CP3 always walk around with a grimace on their face? They hate losing and they want to stick it to you as soon as they step on the floor and no matter how many minutes are left on the clock. That’s the ‘grind’ we need. It is the same reason we hate KG and LeBron. They emanate an attitude that says “screw you, you are going down and I don’t care”. I want more of that from these guys!
#7
yeah this
and they seem to maintain their level of play longer at home. Thin air may have helped a bit with the fatigue in Utah but they do seem to run out of steam pretty much every road game.
Crawford killed us at the 1
It was like a switch turned off in the late third. They pressured him and that turned the momentum around. We need another PG Nate can trust.
The Blazers are bums
If you play bums and lose to bums, you are a bum.
L Detroit
L Golden State
L Utah
W Toronto
W Sacramento
W Phoenix
W Detroit
Going 4-3 in that stretch is not good. You play Utah minus Bell and Big Al and you get out-rebounded like that and give up offensive board after offensive board when Big Al ain’t even in the game. Sad sad effort.
so when we beat OKC, LAC, LAL, etc...still bums?
as usual, the truth lies somewhere in the middle
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jan 31, 2012 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
I seldom criticize Nate but what the heck was going on in the last 13 secs?
1) Matthews passes up a 3-pt shot (down by 3 points and NO TIME OUTS LEFT) and goes for a layup with 5 secs left. WHAT? Didn’t Nate tell them they have to shoot a 3 with no time outs and down by 3. STUPID Was that Nate’s fault or a blunder by Wesley?
2) Then Miles misses a free-throw with Camby SITTING ON THE BENCH and Utah gets the rebound over Wallace’s head. Game Over. Why wasn’t Camby in there rebounding instead of Wallace? STUPID At least give yourself a chance to rebound and throw up a half court shot.
But how can I blame Nate for anything with this mess of a backcourt? Wesley, Crawford, and Felton go 1-13 from the 3-pt line. Felton and Wesley go 5-21 shooting overall.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jan 30, 2012 10:27 PM PST reply actions
Regarding point #1
that’s at least the second time that’s happened this year. I can’t remember the previous game where it occurred, but the scenario was very similar: down by 3 with 25 seconds left (I think), no time outs, they ran the clock down and went for 2. Predictably, they fouled and were down by 3 again after the free throws, but now they had no time to get a good shot. Very sad and annoyed to see them do it again a couple of weeks later.
Yes, it was Crawford that passed up the 3 and made a layup in the game you are referring to.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jan 30, 2012 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
Yep, I remember now.
Maybe it doesn’t matter, but I can’t help but wonder if that was Crawford’s read of the situation, or if that was what he was told to do.
I don't know. That's why I questioned whether Nate made it clear they had to shoot a 3.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jan 30, 2012 10:46 PM PST up reply actions
Nate to the guys:
“Shoot the 3. Gotta shoot the 3. Take your time, put up a good shot.”
Jamal/Wesley nodding.
Jamal/Wesley passing up a decent 3 for an easy drive to the hoop.
Less than 24 seconds on the clock, gotta foul. FTs go in.
…open 3. Drive to the lane.
(sigh)
"If you can do a half-assed job of anything, you're a one-eyed man in a kingdom of the blind."
by thankyouforblaze on Jan 31, 2012 12:57 AM PST up reply actions
They could have afforded a "quick" 2
Nate probably set up a play to get a quick 2 or a 3 if the two wasn’t there. Wesly misjudged the time and didn’t take the three. Miles was pretty close to him but it looked like the play was designed for him to shoot the three.
PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04
by tssbro on Jan 31, 2012 6:30 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
this is what I saw
Wesley should have immediately gone to the hoop. They were covering the three point line . No one was in the middle. When LMA kicked it back out, he had to shoot the three.
scrappy
by Honka Playboy on Jan 31, 2012 7:03 AM PST up reply actions
It's very questionable to ever go for a 2 with 13 seconds left and NO timeouts left.
Even if you get it in 3 secs and then take 3 seconds to foul, you are down to 7 seconds after free throws to go the length of the court and probably (if they make 2 foul shots) still need a 3 to tie, i.e. you are in worst shape than you were to start with.
Better to shoot the 3 in that situation and if you miss you still have a chance for a rebound with time left to get up another 3. I’ve seen teams get 2 or 3 3-pt shots off in situations like that because the defense is scrambling around trying to prevent a 3-pt shot and rebounds are easier to get.
It’s a totally different situation if you have a time-out left, but they didn’t. If Nate told them to go for a quick 2 then it’s his fault. If Wesley did it on his own, then it’s his fault.
As noted above, they did the exact same thing, with the same ending, a few games back when Crawford had the ball.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jan 31, 2012 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
13 seconds is pushing it but it can be done
It wasn’t like they were hitting threes all night. The main thing you are trying to do is keep your chances alive to make something happen. If you get a quick bucket and set your defense, there is the possibility you can get a steal or the Jazz dribble the ball off their foot, anything. I still see this as an execution issue and not a huge coaching blunder. If waiting 8 seconds to get the 2 was Nate’s plan, I agree with you.
7 seconds is a long time in terms of getting the ball down court. Not ideal, obviously, but if a free throw is missed, a whole world of opportunities opens up.
PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04
Also don't know if Camby gets that board either
Wallace was probably in that position so he could break out and shoot after getting the board. 6 in one hand…
PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04
by tssbro on Jan 31, 2012 6:35 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
No, you have to get the rebound first. If you don't get the rebound, the game is over.
You put your best rebounders on the lines, and then hope they can immediately throw a pass to someone near mid court for a shot. There’s no time for a Wallace to rebound, and then dribble up the court to get a shot.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jan 31, 2012 1:23 PM PST up reply actions
I'll wager Nate was confident Wallace and LA get the board
It isn’t like he had Nolan Smith out there. But I concede the point, especially with hindsight being 20/20 and all.
PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04
everyone is scared to take the shot
completely agree on the back court. We’d have 6 more wins right now with the guards doing their jobs. No wonder the big guys are wearing out so fast. The guards are all exercise and no production.
bummer i just noticed
tonites loss drops us to 9th in the west
by cavejunctionblazer on Jan 30, 2012 10:28 PM PST reply actions
Well
Blazers will feed on their home court advantage to climb back into playoff contention – but at some point – the road wins have to start piling up or the Blazers will be in the smelly pile.
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Jan 30, 2012 11:27 PM PST up reply actions
I am officially done with Felton
I have been highly skeptical of him from the get go, but now I am convinced that he will never play well enough to be a legitimate option at the starting point guard spot. If I am the blazers, I am trying to get Andre Miller back. This team could be a threat with a quality floor general at the pg spot.
NEED....BASKET.....BALL.....
didnt we trade steve blake away and later bring him back?
then it wouldnt be the first time they brought back a pg they traded away
by cavejunctionblazer on Jan 30, 2012 10:34 PM PST up reply actions
Steve Blake wanted to come back
Not so sure that’s the case with Andre. I think he’s happier in Denver.
I thought I heard rumblings about him not being happy coming off the bench...
NEED....BASKET.....BALL.....
by Armon Jonesin on Jan 30, 2012 10:47 PM PST up reply actions
sign Dre to a max contract!
5 years, $80 million.
i bet he’d come back, and lay down some of those dunks of his :)
"If you can do a half-assed job of anything, you're a one-eyed man in a kingdom of the blind."
by thankyouforblaze on Jan 31, 2012 12:59 AM PST up reply actions
I'm fine with letting the team play the season out as-is
I think that has been managements goal since the season started. Unless we could trade for a player we would actually want for the long term (starting PG, decent C) then I say stand pat, let guys show us that we want them or we don’t (Raymond) and get busy next summer.
Wallace might be the only one they need to trade if they don’t see enough value in him possibly coming back next year, but now that Nic will be restricted, I think they hold onto Gerald until they know Batum’s situation.
put a body on 'em
I can't imagine the Blazers resigning Wallace this summer.
He wants a long term deal (that’s why he refused to discuss an extension with the Blazers). It would be a huge mistake to give him a long term contract this summer. His entire game is based on superior energy and he is already wearing out. We see the difference in road games vs home games. In a year or two he will have nothing left. I’d trade Wallace before the trade deadline or he will walk away for nothing this summer.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jan 30, 2012 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
I agree. I don't see GW aging well.
I’m just wondering if he wants to get in the mix with all the other free agents this summer or take the money he has on the table for one more year.
put a body on 'em
I am all for throwing Felton and GW at the suns for Steve Nash
Throw in some cash, picks, and a guy like EW, Smith, or babbit and hope the suns bite…
NEED....BASKET.....BALL.....
by Armon Jonesin on Jan 30, 2012 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
ditto. i gave him till end of Jan. We are here. Now he has to REALLY prove himself if he ever wants to come out my doghouse
OSU '06
GForce Crash Wallace FTW!
I am inclined to agree with you.
Jamal is there with Felton in my dog house.
Jamal may get hot in a game and win it for us, but how many games does he have to lose for us to get the message to Nate. He is not a good finisher or a BRoy, no matter if they all was from the same area. His ability to create and then lose the ball does not impress me at all.
hg
What games has jamal lost for us ?
Jamal averages the same amount of turnovers as LA which is 2 and thats a low amount for your leading scorer.
Jamal is averaging the same amount of points as Wes and Crash but his play is trending up while there play is trending down and hes doing it in nearly 10 fewer mpg.
I cant even recall a game recently where jamal was even asked to finish ,.
by Willie Beamon on Jan 31, 2012 8:48 AM PST up reply actions
The point I am trying to make is he doesn't get his teammates invovled enough!
He is a one man show, and will take some unorthodox shots for what ever the reason or bomb a brick and let the defense run back and score. If you make 20 points and give up 40, in my book that is losing games for us. But hey that is just my opinion, that does not give our other players free passes. Also, in disagreement it is only your opinion that Jamal’s game is trending up and Wesley’s and GW games are recessing. GW made more shot in this way game then he has been. Wesley is getting his shooting game back some of the time.
hg
Its not his job he never came in and advertised himself a pure point guard
he is a scoring guard and everyone knew that . You want him to get everyone else involved more because Felton cant do his job but the bottomline is that no one else making shots at a high enough clip besides LA and Batum that he should be deferring at this point .
When does Crawford give up 40 and get 20 ? your exaggerating it because thats the only way that it makes sense . Who is this guy giving up 40 point games to in 24 minutes of play ? Your blaming him for things that never occured and using it as a reason we are losing games
Jamals play is trending up as teh last 5 games
16 ppg and 5 apg
45% 2 3
36%
92%- ft
in 26 mpg
Hes nowhere near his normal average in minutes which is 31 and if you compare it Wes and the rest of the shooting guards in the league by the all star break I expect he will be at those percentages for the season
Both Crash and Wes numbers have fallen off a cliff after the hot start to the season that they both had . The shots GW made in this past game stopped him from dropping under 10 but it still hold his current fall to 11 ppg quite steady .
Wes is not getting his shot back even some of the time if we were really playing the guys who are playing better then both Crawford and Nic would be in the starting lineup in some combination.
Crawford has his flaws but some of you have locked onto one or two plays early in this season and ignored the fact that lately hes been playing pretty well and when you check the rest of the league you realize that his play by the end of the year will have been some of the better guard play this year.
by Willie Beamon on Jan 31, 2012 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
Of course I was exaggerating
I wasn’t reading stats, as I am not a stats man, but I am just not impressed with Jamal and the bottom line for me is he is in my dog house.
I promise I won’t ridicule him anymore and I won’t blame him anymore then I do the other players, but when he preaches we play for each other then goes out and plays one on five that gets me angry. I am sorry I ruffled your feathers as I get somewhat the same way when fans was chopping BRoy. so I will be more careful in the future.
hg
I'm not done with Felton
I wouldn’t mind someone better but we need a player who can handle bringing the ball down court. Jamal is a 2 period. He should play off the ball or get it in the last secs of the 24. At least Felton knows dishing to Aldridge will net you those assists
It is what it is
you are what you it
there are no mistakes.
-tom robbins
Go Blazers!
by cavejunctionblazer on Jan 30, 2012 10:47 PM PST reply actions
I need to stop caring so much.
it’s the regular season. we win some and we lose some. no reason to let this team drive me insane until the last 2-3 weeks, right?
"Wide, girthy. Just like a Rhino. Sometimes my horns are visible."
Not feelin good about Nic
Definitely had that tweak characteristic of ligament injuries.
Other than that I thought we played well. I’m resigned to the fact that I’ll have to read “blow it up” comments after every loss regardless. Wes needed to hit one or two of those wide open treys.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jan 30, 2012 11:34 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Condensed season leads to nightly overreaction
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Jan 30, 2012 11:54 PM PST up reply actions
People always overreact to losses
no matter the length of the season. But then saying that you also have to admit that people always overreact to wins no matter the length of the season.
—Dave
"But then saying that you also have to admit that people always overreact to wins no matter the length of the season."
And that’s precisely it.
"I Am Mine"
I don't like the swing in either direction
the knee-jerk instant reaction nature is what sports has become, but I think perspective is important
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
I'd agree in part
But losses seem uglier this season – and I think schedule plays a role. We aren’t used to seeing the Blazers struggle on the road like this. Put the games closer together – and we get more frequent exposure to reactions.
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Jan 31, 2012 8:56 AM PST up reply actions
good points
I agree with you that the condensed schedule may be contributing, but I also definitely feel that overreaction in general, to wins and losses, would be rampant regardless
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
It's not even after every loss, though.
Right now, this team is stuck in no-man’s land. As I see it, teams mired in mediocrity such as Portland and Atlanta are plodding along. By doing so, they postpone the inevitable and it doesn’t do them a bit of good in the meantime.
"I Am Mine"
The Blazers bring a different brand of mediocrity
Excellent at home – crawdawful on the road….
Not a simple case of average. More like pathological balance between good and bad – Dr. Jekyll meets Mr. Hyde.
If it’s pathological – it might be curable.
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Jan 31, 2012 12:39 AM PST up reply actions
"Not a simple case of average."
No, that’s exactly what this team is.
Average, average, average, average.
After a win? Average. After a loss? Average.
And once again for good measure: Average!
"I Am Mine"
right, and I agree
I’m more of a glass half full type so maybe I view us in the upper echelon of average, or the lower to middle tier of good, not that it ultimately makes a differenece.
I just think the “blow it up” meme is lazy and I think the extreme swings in outlook based solely on the result of a given game is ridiculous. We are who we are, we will win some, we will lose some, we will look good, we will look bad…at the end of the day we’re the same team. If you support blowing it up, which many do and for good reason, don’t let a single loss spur that opinion. Have that opinion because of the roster.
I get the feeling that if things go poorly we’ll be sellers at the deadline, and Nic going down with what I suspect to be a serious injury is a step in that direction. This team is also set up to go in a radical new direction this offseason. Did everyone not see us accumulate all these expiring contracts? That the groundwork for blowing it up and rebuilding is in place?
I’d appreciate if the “blow it up” crowd was at least specific with their proposals (who to keep, who to trade, who to target in the draft, etc…). Maybe I’m just a baby, but it takes away from my enjoyment of the game-to-game. It’s too much of a macro perspective when there are lots of things about the game itself that merit discussion.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jan 31, 2012 8:48 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
"I’d appreciate if the "blow it up" crowd was at least specific with their proposals (who to keep, who to trade, who to target in the draft, etc…)."
I’ve already done that.
“FROM NEW JERSEY & TO PORTLAND
Memo Okur
Brook Lopez
2012 First-Round Draft Pick
2014 First-Round Draft Pick
2016 First-Round Draft Pick
2018 First-Round Draft Pick
Future Conditional Draft Pick Via Houston (Lotto-Protected First-Rounder From 2012 Thru 2016 Or 2017 Second-Rounder If Not Conveyed By Then)
FROM PORTLAND & TO NEW JERSEY
LaMarcus Aldridge
(Trade Machine)"
http://www.blazersedge.com/2012/1/19/2719044/trade-drawer-hypothetical-rebuild
A true rebuild starts with totally dismantling the current core, which means moving LaMarcus Aldridge in a deal for future assets. Basically, do what the Utah Jazz did with Deron Williams.
"I Am Mine"
Nothing average about the home record
Nothing average about the road record.
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Jan 31, 2012 8:57 AM PST up reply actions
yeah, but if you put those together....
I think some road wins will come, but this Batum thing has me fearing the worst. Aside from Aldridge, he’s the last guy I wanted to see go down.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Ah, but put them together and -- voilà! -- you get average.
It’s pretty simple, really. Heck, there’s nothing more left to say.
"I Am Mine"
I might disagree, not for sure.
I have been watching re-runs and although I am not a BB Guru, I can see horrible shooting at home as well as on the road. I see the fatigue and lack of stamina at home as well as on the road. It is just that, like Utah, the Blazers can bully their way to victory at home without getting called for fouls and they can’t do it on the road because they are not a finesse team as the Lakers and get benefits of calls on the road. Also, they are not a great half court team anymore, so when they run out of energy, can’t bully, have no bench, they have nothing else to fall on except 3’s that won’t fall.
All in all, I think it is the same team at home as is on the road, but I think part of it psychological in the fact that they let the refereeing get in their heads more away from home.
hg
Home vs. Road
Home:104 ppg on .459 shooting
Road: 90.5 ppg on .413 shooting
Home: 6.5 3PM on .339 shooting
Road: 5.3 3PM on .279 shooting
Home: 1.22 points per shot
Road: 1.111 points per shot
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Jan 31, 2012 9:09 AM PST up reply actions
Well sure, but the stats don't show the shots missed due to an opponent draped on their arm
I am just saying, that we are not a complete different team on the road, we are just not allowed to take it to the rim because the refs won’t call fouls, so we have to rely on our out side shots more and on the road or at home our shooting is not good.
hg
Sorry
Can’t agree on the impact of the officials. Sure, there may be some bias – but the impact is negligible at most.
I wouldn’t want to credit the Blazers home record for positive bias any more than I would want to blame the road record on negative bias.
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Jan 31, 2012 9:19 AM PST up reply actions
Well I surely can't argue with you as I don't know
It is just my opinion that the different between home wins and road woes is homecourt advantage and IMO,the biggest homecourt advantage is the refs getting caught up in the crowd as much as the players.
You have said there is some bias; how many road games have we lost in the single digit margin. enough that the difference between winning by 3 and losing by 3 could be home court advantage given by my opinion as being Refs bias.
hg
LaMarcus Aldridge is never going to be a closer. Last year he some how showed he could make big shots at the end of the game
but he has returned to past form. 14 points in the 3rd quarter, then he only has 2 in the 4th. He choked on some great looks too. He is way to soft mentally to lead this team on his own. He won’t even be this teams Dirk.
can someone please shed light on this
Where does LA go in the 4th? outside of his shot that sent a game into OT he has proved to be all but the invisible man down the streatch. No Closer here
by DonttrashCrash on Jan 31, 2012 5:41 AM PST up reply actions
Missing key FT's is an issue with him too.
I still think he’s a #2 option on a championship level team. I just don’t think he has that “it” factor.
by Dustructo on Jan 31, 2012 6:13 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t think he choked. Last night he shot 14 non-paint 2s, the least efficient shot in basketball. He made 6 of them, which is a respectable percentage, but good for only a 42% eFG. If he could turn five of those into three pointers (as Kevin Love does) he’d be significantly more efficient overall and maybe wouldn’t need to constantly keep up torrid jumpshooting just for the Blazers to tread water.
i keep dancing on my own.
Nate shortening the rotation worked wonders for Aldridge
He was totally gassed late in the third when he missed his first shot after his hot stretch. It would have been nice to give him a nice 5-6 minute rest at the end of the third going into the fourth. He came out with 2:26 to go in the third and went back in at the 11:14 minute of the fourth. It’s not like we kept the lead with him in there so why not try to give him a rest. Don’t get this.
#52
Craig Smith was particularly ineffective last night
it was a winnable game. That said, I might have rested him more in the 2nd period. Just few other options on this team on offense
scrappy
by Honka Playboy on Jan 31, 2012 7:08 AM PST up reply actions
He was ineffective because Utah packed the paint
And double and triple teamed anyone who came inside. That means we need to hit our outside shots which we are unable to do (outside of Batum) at this point.
#52
by blazermaniac32 on Jan 31, 2012 8:12 AM PST up reply actions
Craig Smith wasn't any more ineffective last night than LMA after he got gassed
Nate didn’t keep Craig in the game long enough to get the feel. If Raymond and Jamal get a free pass to work out bad shooting, why not Craig? I feel Craig’s game is much more important to polish then the guards, as he can take in and most of the time get a score.
hg
Looks like the bandwagon has emptied out pretty fast.
The Blazers did look tired at the end of the game, and they could not hit any shots. No legs to jump. Live by the jumper, die by the jumper. I have rarely seen a professional NBA player who was as bad an outside shooter as Felton. Even Andre is better than him, at least from mid-range. Perhaps it would help if Nate gave his starters more rest than he has been doing. If he had any guts he would pick a road game where we have little chance of winning, and just play Babbitt, CJ, Nolan, Elliot Williams, Craig Smith and Kurt Thomas for the entire game to give the starters additional rest. The front office better start thinking in terms of rebuilding, because in order to be a championship contender, there needs to be upgrades at every position except PF. It’s probably what Rich Cho told them that got him fired in the first place, but it needs to be done. A good start would be to trade Wallace for some 1st round picks in this years draft.
So frustrating...
…to see the Blazers fold again down the stretch. Anyone that has watched them this year could see this coming as soon at Utah started making their charge in the second half and we were hanging on for dear life with nothing but the tips of our Batum 3’s.
Additionally, Felton’s shooting struggles are becoming more and more evident as being a part of game planning against the Blazers. Last night, 0-6 in the 4th quarter alone, 0-4 from distance. The Jazz were leaving him wide open on most of those 3’s. And, I suppose, if the mindset is “my shot will start falling eventually, gotta shoot my way out of it” we’re going to see similar performances down the stretch of games to come….at least until he can prove he can shoot. He also has to be on the floor in the 4th, which is something not recommended at this point given is propensity for turnovers leading to fast breaks. I mean seriously, does anyone remember so many turnovers by a Blazers starting point guard leading to so many instant points? Frustrating to see it over and over.
Games should never come down to one play. They gave this game away in the 4th.,imo.
Utah drafted 2 bigs in 1 draft. What a concept. They killed us on the glass.
The Rhino and KT together does not work in the paint.
3 point shooting is a joke, with our new year of guards stacked on top of each other, and coach Dickau.
You paying attention Paul ??
just win baby !
Enes Kanter was a top 3 pick, Jeremy Evans is just a more polished Chris Johnson
and Derrick Favors came over in the Deron Williams trade. If Utah is anything, it’s stocked full of young bigs. If we go to the top of the draft we can get a big like Kanter and Favors too. But first you gotta strip the roster (Wallace, Crawford, Felton, Camby)
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
oh sammy
Blazers had to overpay Crawford he is from Seattle and a better shooter than Martell Wes and Rudy,don’t you know ? and did I mention he’s Roys friend ? Had to over pay for Wallace even though we had Nico while getting rid of Dante who could very well be a young Buck Williams in the making. Camby isn’t breaking the bank anymore than Crawford, Wallace or Wes $ at this point. He’s also the only true center on the roster. Year 5 too many guards who don’t shoot any better than the ones before them. Years of drafting guards on top of guards. And skimping on big men.Rhino is still not the answer.
just win baby !
by FrenchieFan on Jan 31, 2012 3:54 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Another coaching loss.............
When one pro doesn’t perform, put another pro in. You see?……..you can’t perform if you can’t get in! Oh Williams did get 23 sec’s……..give that to MJ, Nate and what do you have? Don’t look now but the T-Wolves are about to put us in our place.
We must endeavor to persevere.
young guys are going to get torched in these type of games
I was really surprised that EWill got time at all. It’s nice that the young guys can actually shoot…a ray of hope for the future…but they have to be able to defend too and Utah was just flying at the paint.
This loss I give to our awesome guards. Nate is effectively coaching a team with 3 positions working right. The two most responsible for scoring are broken and can’t score efficiently.
I am not blaming the loss on the officials but 38 ft's to 13 really.
The amazing thing to me was on league pass I got their announcers & they said something like no breaks from the refs tonight, I almost fell out of my chair.
Somebody step up! - Mike Rice
I watched league pass also, and I am with you
We did play bad down the stretch with not making shots.
hg
Looking at the replay,
Batum did not have the ball poked away from him. He just lost control of it when he hurt his knee. The question I have is why, down two at the end of the game, would you call a play for a guy that you haven’t called in the four years he’s been on the team?
by heybabydrinkyourmilk on Jan 31, 2012 9:27 AM PST reply actions
How many of those did he start with the ball in his hands at the top of the key?
None.
by heybabydrinkyourmilk on Jan 31, 2012 9:35 AM PST up reply actions
he had an angle before he injured himself
there are many things I have a problem with, but that wasn’t one of them. Just my opinion though
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jan 31, 2012 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
makes me sick that Nico went down
I thought we were passed this with Oden and Roy appeasing the basketball gods, now they’re taking Nico away too.
If we did strip the roster I’d love to watch Nic and EWill and Nolan and even Luke get major minutes, even if it led straight to the lottery (which it likely would). But Nico? You’re gonna take away Nico too? Haven’t we had enough?
Uncle! Uncle! WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM US!!!!
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jan 31, 2012 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
I would also love to watch the young guys play
This is a great draft class coming in… who cares if we land in the lottery. Maybe get a partner for LA.
Don't blow it up
I am getting as fatigued as the Blazers looked last night in the fourth quarter, by the Blow It Up garbage. If you Blow the team up, trading everyone and anyone just for change’s sake, you end up needing a job at the end of the year. GM’s (if we had one), coaches, even training staff, get fired for moves like that. It NEVER works. Blow up the’ Blow Up The Blazers’ crap, now……….Batum, too, gets little-to-no-respect. The guy is 23. He’s improving yearly. He’s one of our two great defenders. He has a great attitude. He’s played for cheap. He hits threes. What’s so crappy about this guy?( He’s our 3rd-best forward, so, if he’s gone for awhile, Portland won’t start losing a ton of games..No worries there.)
yeah the "blow it up" thing is getting annoying
Sometimes it’s just people joking around but a lot of people are serious. We win a game and we’re golden then lose a game and we’re garbage.
plus, like I pointed out above
the groundwork for changing direction is in place, but people want this stuff to happen instantly
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jan 31, 2012 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
yeah this
though I will admit that I’m past ready to sell all our guards off. If only there was a way…
I don't think Crawford is long for Portland
I don’t think Ray is long for the starting spot either unless he is our only option when everything shakes out
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jan 31, 2012 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
The groundwork is half way there
Yes we have a lot of cap room next year… assuming our front office can bring in quality FA’s… however the other half of rebuilding has to do with developing yoru young talent, which nate is lacking in.
we have differences of opinion there
I just don’t think we’ve had very good young talent. I think Roy, LMA, and Oden all were developed just fine. I think Nic was coming along nicely. Bayless you could argue but I don’t see anyone else.
I don’t think we’ve had very good young players. Dante got a rotation spot from the 33rd pick in the draft, Rudy got plenty of run and couldn’t shoot after his rookie season.
We need to draft better. The flexibility is only step one. Now you strip the roster, accumulate draft picks, let the young guys play so you lose and also see who is a keeper, draft well, and then make the slow climb back up.
I have a feeling that those clamoring for an instant blow up would hate the losing that goes with it. I’m alright with giving Nash a shot, I’d like to see this group in the playoffs one more time because I do think they’d have a puncher’s chance against anyone in the West, but at some point we’ll have to acquire draft picks or young, undeveloped talent via trade if that’s our direction of choice.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jan 31, 2012 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
Have to keep in mind that most of the time
We’re talking about different sets of people there. My impression is that it’s not so much that individual posters are vacillating wildly in their views from game to game, but more that different results bring out different posters, or at least differing levels of enthusiasm from either the super optimistic or pessimistic posters. It’s a whole lot easier to support one’s argument that the sky is falling after a bad loss or to support the argument that we’re darkhorses after a big win.
Not that I blame people for getting irritated about the huge shifts in the general BE tone, but there’s a big difference between that and accusing individuals for jumping to conclusions.
by Royster on Jan 31, 2012 10:27 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Some regulars in there too
and it probably feels worse because things look a bit more like WLWLWLW than WWWLWWLL right now.
good point
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jan 31, 2012 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
So true
Plus, the compressed schedule adds to the feeling that people are vacillating wildly. In a regular season, there are a few days off between games for people (optimists and pessimists alike) to step back, take a deep breath, and look at things in a different light.
Nic's the man
unfortunately I fear the worst. I watched the replay of that injury exactly one time, it’s all I needed to see and all I wanted to see.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jan 31, 2012 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
I winced when I saw that
I tried to make a full speed 90 degree turn to split a double team at about the free throw line and ended up blowing the ligaments in my knee up. Looked way too similar in Nico’s case though probably not as bad. I couldn’t walk afterwards so there is that.
Looked like Nico was ready to make that hard cut around his defender. I really hope we get some good news because ACL,MCL stuff would be surgery.
I'd be shocked if it wasn't ACL/MCL related
I’ve seen it too many times. Do you still play?
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jan 31, 2012 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
Only occasionally
Just pick up games with friends. I’m big and slow now and I have to wear a knee brace with hinges lol.
Dwight nailed it. Games on Nate
How does a coach with this kind of experience make this error? Seriously it’s time to really look at Nate as a coach. I really believe he has been covered by Roy and a little by millers play. He is just not a good coach.
favors d
i did not think aldridge ran out of gas. what i seen was they switched favors on him and he did not score a baskett on him. then they benched him and put kanter on him he slowed him down but diden’t shut him down like favors did. kanters arms are too short. and cain’t jump. he can bang . as long as he hustle’s he can amount to something. favors could be there best defender if he want’s to be. he act’s a little lazy could be a beast
by louisianajazzman on Jan 31, 2012 2:42 PM PST reply actions

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