Game 5 Recap: Portland Trail Blazers 103, Oklahoma City Thunder 93
In a Nutshell
The Trail Blazers finally focus on getting the ball inside early in the game to stay close to the Thunder, then fire up the pressure defense in the second half to pull away on a night when Durant and teammates stack up bricks like a mason on speed.
Game Flow
If you just looked at the shooting percentages you'd have guessed the Blazers got blown out of the water in the first quarter of this game. The Thunder were hanging around 70%, Portland closer to 30%. Yes, Oklahoma City was making mincemeat of Portland's defense and yes, the Blazers were missing shot after tortuous shot. But those percentages don't show the Blazers' constant trips to the foul line, courtesy of a sustained effort to work the ball inside to big men. LaMarcus Aldridge, Gerald Wallace, and Marcus Camby all made good from the stripe repeatedly in the quarter against a surprised-looking Thunder defense. Portland's guards restrained their itchy shooting fingers for once, feeding the ball to large guys in the paint. The result was a 26-21 lead for OKC after one...not great but not the disaster the shooting numbers portended. The Blazers didn't dodge a bullet as much as take a couple in the midst of giving the Thunder a solid punch to the bread basket.
Portland's bench made good in the first part of the second quarter behind made jumpers from Wesley Matthews and Jamal Crawford. Oklahoma City alternated between transition buckets and three-pointers, still running warm. But Portland's perimeter success stretched the defense far enough to open lanes for LaMarcus Aldridge who immediately began reprising his 2010-11 habit of darting to the bucket to receive a pass, either in the deep post for an easy spin shot or mid-flight for an even easier dunk. As long as the Blazers weren't turning over the ball they were converting easily. Portland did turn it over enough to keep the Thunder in business with their own easy shots. None of those shots were credited to Kevin Durant, however, who seemed content to loft missed jumpers from the perimeter. A Durant-less Thunder offense isn't that scary even when the ball finds net. The Blazers narrowed the gap to 51-53 at intermission.
The third period began with Gerald Wallace and Wes Matthews converting four points apiece. Durant, meanwhile, missed 3 more three-point attempts. When the Blazers went ahead at the 9:15 mark of the period something weird seemed to happen to the Thunder. Outside of possessions where they worked inside and drew fouls (fairly rare in the overall scheme of things) their offense took about as much effort as your average "What I Did During Summer Break" essay. Seriously, it was like they looked up "offense" on Wikipedia and just went with the first bullet point, which apparently said "shoot long". Not just Durant, but everybody in white started bombing and missing. Portland began to feast on predictable passes and gamble by throwing extra men at drivers, knowing they need only fear more jumpers in response. OKC turned over the ball or gave up long rebounds on misses. Both allowed Portland to run. The Thunder didn't get back. If you're guessing this went well for Portland, you are correct. The more the lead grew the more the Thunder tried to recoup from the three-point arc. Portland led 78-74 after three. The Thunder made a brief surge at the beginning of the fourth behind a 20-footer and a layup and-one but they couldn't keep their fingers out of the three-point cookie jar. With the lead ballooning to 7+ and the Thunder showing no inclination to stop it the Blazers were free to go for the jugular. They ran a mobile, rangy, risk-taking unit including Aldridge, Wallace, and Nicolas Batum playing together. Batum single-handedly destroyed the Thunder when they tried to get inside...in part because they never attempted with Durant who still looked happy to brick long balls. OKC couldn't rebound random jumper misses and Portland was off to the races again and again, whipping the ball around a Thunder defense that spent more time recovering than setting up. The next thing you know the lead was 7 with a minute left and the Thunder were forced to foul to earn clock. The Blazers sank their free throws and there you go...a 103-93 victory courtesy of LaMarcus Aldridge finally getting inside, his teammates finally finding him, some opportunistic defense and running, and the Thunder running the stupidest offensive game plan known to man.
Take-Away Points
- For better or worse, these Blazers aren't young kids anymore. There are things to mourn about that but one of the nice upsides is that if you hand them an opening, they're experienced enough to take it. In years past you might well have seen Portland match OKC's game jumper for jumper. Heck...you might still have seen that with the right group of guards in there from the current team. But tonight the Blazers played smart, running good offense that took advantage of, instead of copying, the bad offense of the opponent.
- However the Blazers get Aldridge inside, they need to do it. You saw what an enormous difference it made tonight. The Blazers were decent but on their way to a polite loss before Aldridge started dunking. Just a couple rim-rattlers loosened everything up including the outside game.
- The Blazers succeeded when they rebounded well and played a faster tempo. The turnover stats don't quite tell the story in this one. Portland was turning the ball over something fierce early and got behind. Though they didn't force wheelbarrows full of turnovers late those long OKC misses counted as de facto TO's, allowing Portland to grab and run. In other words, Portland re-discovered the recipe for success after that debacle in L.A.
- I'm not sure what the heck is wrong with Durant but he always seems to do this against the Blazers. He gets completely lazy, settling for long jumpers over and over. It's not like he tried to get inside and got stymied. He was actually successful the few times his feet touched paint. I don't know if he's so brilliant that he considers a long jumper as easy as a layup but if so, he needs to get dumber real quick. Dude was 8-26 on the night, 1-7 from distance, and only attempted 4 foul shots. As those free throw attempts indicate, that's not as much Portland's defense as him utterly failing to test Portland's defense. Whatever he's thinking, I'm sure the Blazers are glad that's his mindset.
Individual Performances
LaMarcus Aldridge was brilliant tonight, shooting 10-19 from the field and an incredible (for volume, if nothing else) 10-12 from the foul line. It's like he was the offensive player Durant was supposed to be. Like everybody else in the frontcourt Aldridge took his turns guarding Durant and did well. He also played center late in the game without Portland suffering rebounding or defensive issues. Most of all he got inside and his teammates found him. Brilliant. Please repeat often.
Gerald Wallace didn't go off, shooting 4-14 for 13 points. He had 10 rebounds and defended Durant in single coverage on multiple possessions. GW did what was needed, as usual.
Marcus Camby played but 18 minutes in this faster-paced, no-opposing-inside-threat game. He had 5 rebounds and 3 assists, including the first pass that got Aldridge a halfcourt dunk. Nice to see the high-low back.
Wesley Matthews' offense was targeted instead of widespread tonight, exactly as it should be. He took a compact 12 shots and converted 7 for 16 points. He also added 6 rebounds and 2 assists. His stat of the night was 4 steals though. When Matthews filled up multiple stat columns last year the Blazers usually won. Food for thought.
Raymond Felton made up for a horrible first half with a hard-driving, nice-passing second. He went 4-11 for 12 points but added 7 assists and 4 rebounds. The eyesore in the opening quarters included not being able to dribble the ball, hit a shot, finish a drive, or defend Russell Westbrook in any way. In the second half he blended in more and set up Aldridge first, basing his offense on that if his own move wasn't obvious.
Jamal Crawford has been here 5 games and he's not pretending anymore. He's gonna shoot when he gets the ball. He went 2-6 tonight for 8 points in 21 minutes. Like Felton he calmed down in the final period and worked the plays he was given instead of trying to manufacture everything himself from whole cloth.
Aldridge deserves the game ball tonight but Nicolas Batum should at least be allowed to touch it and maybe get visitation every other Friday. His 24 minutes featured 4-8 shooting, 3 of 4 three-pointers made, 12 points, 7(!) rebounds, 2 blocks, and leaving a nasty rash on the backsides of the Thunder from sick, sick defense.
(For you math geeks out there, that exclamation point was an indication of surprise and wonder. Nic did not have 7 factorial rebounds. That would pretty much be a league record.)
Kurt Thomas and Craig Smith played well in 14 and 12 minutes respectively.
Fun-Filled Stats
- Blazers only 9 turnovers tonight.
- Thunder 5-20 from the arc for 25%. Portland 6-15 for 40%. Do more with less!
- Blazers 36 foul shots attempted, OKC only 21. The Simpsons need to form a conga line and chant, "You don't get fouled on jum-PERS!", parading it through Oklahoma City. Oh, and Portland shot 81% from the charity stripe, canning 29 of those 36 attempts.
- OKC did get 24 fast break points to Portland's 10 but that was a matter of semantics more than statistics. The Thunder were able to run straight out, especially when the game was young. The Blazers got faster in the closing quarters, scoring before the Thunder got back, but those weren't technically counted as fast break points. The Blazers ended up running OKC ragged no matter what the numbers say.
Final Thoughts
Pasting a loss on the division favorites at their own place is a nice accomplishment no matter how early in the season it is. You never know how that could affect things down the road.
Hear the wailing at WelcometoLoudCity. It's likely the wailing is the only thing that's loud tonight, save perhaps blaming this on refs. Just guessing on that though. You'll have to see for yourselves.
Trail Blazers vs Thunder boxscore
--Dave (blazersub@gmail.com)
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Win 4 MVP
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WIN 4 MVP: LAMARCUS ALDRIDGE
L.A.: 30 PTS, 8 REB, 2 AST, 0 BLK/STL/TO = 37 SNP
PREVIOUS MVP IN WINS:
WIN 1 MVP = LAMARCUS ALDRIDGE:
11-25 FG, 3-4 FT, 25 PTS, 7 REB, 3 AST, 3 STL, 2 BLK, 2 TO = 47 SNP*
WIN 2 MVP = GERALD WALLACE
8-11 FG, 8-9 FT, 25 PTS, 8 REB, 5 AST, 0 STL, 2 BLK, 1 TO = 49 SNP*
Game 3 MVP = Raymond Felton
10-16 FG, 2-2 FT, 23 PTS, 5 REB, 6 AST, 4 TO = 35.5 SNP
by Cjones10 on Jan 3, 2012 9:31 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Lovin it
Though this might get a touch long after 65 wins or so. Stay strong!
by Batumshakalaka on Jan 4, 2012 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
No excuse for Durant tonight
Your shot isn’t falling, you get to the rim. He couldn’t do that. Props to GW and anti-props to Durant.
Johnson, Johnson, Smith, Smith, Thomas, Williams, and Babbitt: the Blazer's law firm.
Dave just keeps getting better and better...
“Seriously, it was like they looked up “offense” on Wikipedia and just went with the first bullet point, which apparently said .‘shoot long.’"
That sentence was bananas. Where’s the recap of the recap?
:)
"Kingdom livin' is a full-time job; every day, I be clockin' in."
by JelaniGNatural on Jan 3, 2012 9:45 PM PST via Android app reply actions
Loved the end of the intro:
. . . pull away on a night when Durant and teammates stack up bricks like a mason on speed.
put a body on 'em
by RayBourque on Jan 3, 2012 10:02 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Initially I thought he meant Desmond Mason-
that guy could put up some bricks too.
by simoninaustralia on Jan 4, 2012 6:03 AM PST up reply actions
Factorial rebounds!
I haven’t chuckled so hard since The Muppet Show.
"You can walk away from someone who doesn’t love you. And you can walk away from someone you don’t love. But when the love is mutual," Roy said. "The hardest thing is to walk away."
Ouch!
No mercy for the Thunder from Dave tonight!
And yeah. I was muttering about never ever being able to see the Durant everyone else sees. Whenever we play the Thunder it’s always the Westbrook show and tonight it wasn’t even that. Collison and Harden can’t carry a team on their backs all alone…
No mercy for the Thunder.
Not until Clay Bennet is wallowing in a blend of cold Starbucks coffee and his own hot tears.
In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice they're not.
by conspirator5 on Jan 3, 2012 9:55 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
He must have seen the preview from the thunder blog.
Still, I’m predicting another significant victory for the Thunder. Until Greg Oden gets back, the Blazers will only win one out of every 7 or 8 games against the Thunder, when their offense happens to click on all cylinders. Otherwise, get ready to count this as yet another solid home win.
http://www.welcometoloudcity.com/2012/1/3/2678721/oklahoma-city-thunder-vs-portland-trail-blazers-2011-2012-game-7
by Sabonis4Ever on Jan 3, 2012 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
Considering the poor shooting nights from Crawford and Wallace.
We were not firing on all cylinders offensively tonight, and still pulled out a win. Suck it Welcome to Loud City, underestimate us at your own peril…
The smarter you are, the more likely you are to be tripping balls at any given moment.
Bring Back Dre.
by gtbassett on Jan 3, 2012 10:29 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You know what they say
No Pity In the Rose City
by vitaminx on Jan 3, 2012 11:09 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Highlight of the Night
LaMarcus Aldridge: Point Guard
"I'm not trying to brag or anything, but I'm exciting."
- Jamal Crawford
That was a great effort, glad we have a night off tomorrow
this team can be really good, I didn’t really get the Felton criticism but would the ones who were critical say he is looking better with his decision making? I thought he looked good tonight.
Bat88m
For a primer on Felton criticism...
…see the first half.
For a primer on Felton support, see the second half.
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Jan 3, 2012 10:43 PM PST up reply actions
It seems like you felt as I did about Feltons early play
Not so hot. But He came through when it counted and picked up his game in the 2nd half. Also, do you think LMAs altercation with Perkins will be a good thing for this team? Maybe it makes them stronger as a team, maybe it makes LMA finally unleash and start to dominate like we all know he can! Anyways, good recap Dave. And GREAT game Blazers!
by cavejunctionblazer on Jan 3, 2012 9:53 PM PST reply actions
LMA's tiff with Perkins is good. Set the tone for future games.
Reminds me of the Odom shenanigans. LMA isn’t going to get punked by either of them. And Perkins is the best they have to do that. We can definitely out-physical OKC so I like them starting that up.
put a body on 'em
I agree
it should set the tone, POR isnt so young anymore. And we aint gonna be pushed around, nor will we back down. It can only help our mentality that we are the better, stronger team. I hope we take that attitude vs the L*kers.
by cavejunctionblazer on Jan 3, 2012 10:04 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly
I wonder if Nate was saving some of Camby’s minutes in anticipation of the Lakers game, even though there is an off day.
I also wonder if the Odom-Blazers history will start right back up with Dallas.
put a body on 'em
good guess
we will need Camby to go up vs Bynum, heck we need all 3 of our Cs to bang the crap out of Bynum. I think we can take the L*Kers.
by cavejunctionblazer on Jan 3, 2012 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
I would love it if the Blazers frustrated the heck out of Bynum.
How’s that for a G rated statement.
Cannot stand that big bully.
Odom is reality tv trailer trash
The dude is just gross, with his disgusting veins throbbing out of his shoulders and his creepy vibe.
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I really don't think Nate looks past the current game
Maybe on back to backs he might try to sit some guys a few extra minutes but he is a one game at a time guy generally speaking. Fans can afford to look ahead. Coaches and players have to focus on what’s in front of them.
PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04
It's nice when people outside Przybilla not backdown from any challenge
Well I guess there was Blake, but that was just funny.
It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong. I am NOT a big man.
Felton got better in the second half but it wasn't as clean as I hope it gets from him
put a body on 'em
7 ast 1 to not to shabby
But the offense under his guidance just wasnt fluid. He hardly pulled off any plays. I think I saw 1 pick n roll the whole night and it might not of even been Ray who made the play. I understand that they will have to work out the kinks, it will take a little time. Ill try to be patient. To play devils advocate, if we are winning when our offense isnt “fluid”, I cant wait to see how hard we can smash when we are on fire and Ray starts to learn his teammates a little better!
: )
by cavejunctionblazer on Jan 3, 2012 10:10 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not unhappy with him, just somewhat underwhelmed so far on his "control"
The low turnovers tonight were definitely nice though.
Like you say, once we actually start hitting a real rhythm we will be Jammin’!
put a body on 'em
yeah Rays still shakin off the rust
and gettin to know his teammates. When it gets going, watch out cuz we are gonna blow some teams out. Ray has alot of options to pass to on this team and I could see him having some whopper ast totals in a game. I cant wait until he gets comfy.
by cavejunctionblazer on Jan 3, 2012 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
I was impressed with Felton when he was with the Knicks and the Nuggets
I’m hopeful that he should keep get getting better with the Blazers. I know it’s only one game, but he responded by cutting down his turnovers tonight. With better conditioning and less weight, he should start finishing better at the rim and making his layups. At least I hope so. :)
Blazers had multiple PnR's tonight
Don’t remember any specific to Felton – but Felton did a good job penetrating and finding a big for a score….
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Jan 3, 2012 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
In the 2nd half
He started driving with the purpose of getting doubled and passing to LMA (or any post/cutter, but it was always LMA there). You could tell when he did that the first time it’s like a light went off and he realized how fun and easy it was to do it a few more times. The fun thing about Felton is that you can see him smile with almost childlike delight when he does something clever. The guy seems to have fun playing ball all the time.
Sometimes you need serious, but everyone serious all the time can be kind of a drag after a while.
One of the most astute comments I’ve heard from Rice is about LMA and Camby and some other guys preferring to get the ball lobbed up high rather than bounce passes. Not sure it applies to Camby so much (he seemed to take the bounce pass more confidently this game than I’ve ever seen him receive a pass), but I think LMA is still definitely getting used to it. Interesting how the delivery makes so much difference to a player’s ability to receive a pass and make a play out of it fluidly.
January is our month
its gotta be the easiest month of the season
by cavejunctionblazer on Jan 3, 2012 9:56 PM PST reply actions
the good news is 3-1
against likely playoff teams. Sacto is the only bad team PDX has played.
Red means run, son, numbers add up to nothin
plus the Blazers really stunk it up in the Clippers game
That one was awful.
So only one loss in an away game where they played terrible yet still almost came back to win.
put a body on 'em
funny to cuz I was more worried about tonights game
and I thought we would beat LAC
by cavejunctionblazer on Jan 3, 2012 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
Schedule wise, I could see us with up to 18 wins by the end of Jan!
IMO Its possible.
by cavejunctionblazer on Jan 3, 2012 10:13 PM PST up reply actions
Nice. I hope so.
I haven’t looked more than a week ahead at the schedule. Maybe I shouldn’t otherwise I’ll blame myself for jinxing them if they start losing.
put a body on 'em
If they keep up the pace they are on
they are gonna have a real good record this month
by cavejunctionblazer on Jan 3, 2012 10:29 PM PST up reply actions
Well done!
Matthews said that Aldridge told the team at halftime that the game was like the high-scoring Rose Bowl between Oregon and Wisconsin.
"The first team to play defense was going to win the game. It might as well have been us," Matthews said.
by poorwebguy on Jan 3, 2012 9:58 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
helping recruit KT and JC
now coaching em up at halftime. If only LMA would show some leadership.
If LMA is gonna get a former players nickname I vote big smooth over L-Train.
Red means run, son, numbers add up to nothin
a new nick would be good, maybe we should have a fan vote or something, lol
I JUST WANT MY BASKETBALL BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Sean in Vancouver on Jan 3, 2012 10:09 PM PST up reply actions
There's different types of leaders
Most aren’t born with the traits that are necessary to be the type of person who stands out as what everyone calls a “leader”. LMA seems to be a lead-by-example type, not really going to get in your face (like a Kobe/KG/Jordan) when you make mistakes, and not necessarily vocal as in not going to rock the boat.
It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong. I am NOT a big man.
I don't think he could ever be "that guy" anyway.
Which is a good thing. Its very rare that he takes over a game for any long stretches, and when he does he just gets doubled and has to pass out of the shot. Roy was good at it for a while because of the handcheck rules and the fact he could split double teams, and drive to the basket when necessary.
It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong. I am NOT a big man.
by SGT Lenny on Jan 4, 2012 2:03 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
The Rose Bowl was largely about turnovers .. sort of like our season so far
The team to cut turnovers should win.
I had a feeling the Ducks game would come down to a late turnover.
Turnover battle is a huge part of any sport really. Not as much in basketball as in football. But either way, the Blazers and Ducks both won big games and that makes everything right in the world for now.
It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong. I am NOT a big man.
by SGT Lenny on Jan 4, 2012 2:05 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
How much fun would it be
To have a real rivalry again. Not like the L.A. rivalry, which for Portland, for years, has been like trying to budge an elephant with a twig. But a real rivalry, like Portland and Seattle had back when Payton and McMillan were on the team. Those games were always a blast.
We’ll have to see if this can become one or if OKC is just gonna be better most nights. But a good step in this game.
Steve Goodman lives.
we'll see tomorrow, but I doubt that the Elephant/twig thing is accurate any more
I JUST WANT MY BASKETBALL BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Sean in Vancouver on Jan 3, 2012 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
It would be a rivalry...
If they were still the Sonics.
by Sabonis4Ever on Jan 3, 2012 10:29 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Yes, a rivalry would be fun
Rivalries are part of what is great in sports. It requires teams matched well enough to require your best effort to win. A rivalry with OKC would mean that we’re matched closely enough so that effort really matters. If any team, even the Lakers, become twigs, then the rivaly weakens, because the elephant really doesn’t care what the twig does.
Great win on the road against the Thunder.
Harden was definitely their most dangerous player tonight, Durant just didn’t have it. Probably too tired to do anything. Glad to see LMA getting some points in the paint once in awhile instead of settling for the long jumper. Felton still seems very lackadaisical with the ball. I’m probably too used to seeing Andre Miller or something, but I always hold my breath that Felton is going to turn the ball over everytime I see him dribbling.
Back to Backs against Dallas and Portland aren't easy
I think poeple are forgetting that OKC just finished a back to back against two of the best teams in the West…. They looked tired….I’m a die hard Blazer fan, but Durant looked tired.
Meh,
The Thunder were in Dallas last night, the Blazers spent the night in OKC. I’d rather play a straight road game with a day of rest than a home game after playing and traveling the night before.
Besides, I’m perfectly willing to concede the fatigue factor given that I’m sure we’ll be hearing about it all throughout February when the Blazers have home games against the Clippers, Spurs and Heat all on the second night of a back to back playing away the previous night. If we look fatigued at all in those games I highly doubt the prevailing BE wisdom will be “home team, no excuse”.
by Royster on Jan 3, 2012 11:48 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It's not like the Zombies were in Miami.
Dallas is like a 4 hour drive from OKC.
by mattisnotfrench on Jan 4, 2012 8:16 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah definitely
Will be interesting to see how the rest of the series pans out. We did travel and we still didn’t look like we had our offense together. We’ll see where it settles.
Allright after watching the NBA highlight reel...
It looks like LMA was smiling when he was getting in Perkins’s ear… RIGHT before they had to get pulled apart.
I could be wrong, but I got the sense there that Perkins said something and LMA got right back in Kendrick’s ear and verbally escalated it. I half wonder if LMA might have been putting on a show?
In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice they're not.
Whatever it takes to fire the troops up I guess
Really makes me wonder what we’ll see this season. Aldridge quite literally said the guys felt like they were the better team when he brought up the Clippers loss in the OKC post game. The beginning of some serious swagger?
The whole teams seems to think highly of themselves
I like it. Don’t get over-confident, just confident.
I thought Rudy would be the perfect 6th man. Come back Ruuudy!
Perkins "benefitted" from Garnett's tutelage in Boston.
I noticed how he developed a punkish style with Boston/Garnett and he carried it with him to OKC. Poor sport, goaltends every shot after the whistle, excessive contact at all times + barking in hopes of getting a retaliation T, etc. He probably would have barked at Bayless too if he was still on the roster.
by The Cactus Leaguer on Jan 3, 2012 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
It gets in the head of the opposing team
LaMarcus rarely looses his cool. Joel used to do the same thing.
by Sabonis4Ever on Jan 3, 2012 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
NO
On the Garnett scale, Przy was about a 3, at best.
by The Cactus Leaguer on Jan 3, 2012 11:53 PM PST up reply actions
"goaltending after the whistle"
that is, regardless of poor sportsmanship. It’s pretty widespread these days. Griffin and Jordan were certainly doing it after every foul, and I’ve definitely seen LaMarcus do it before. It’s pretty harmless, I’m not sure why it would be considered poor sportsmanship, though, at least any more than jacking up meaningless shots after the whistle.
True, but KG and his ilk take it to a different level. KG will literally wrap you up and rip the ball out of your hands no matter how long it has been since the whistle blew. He does it on EVERY PLAY. It’s laughable. And he always initiates it, and it’s always hilarious because if the refs weren’t standing there, he would (justifiably IMO) get his butt kicked.
by The Cactus Leaguer on Jan 4, 2012 12:09 AM PST up reply actions
The blazers have a team-wide policy of goaltending every shot after the whistle…
M, period. Fresh, comma.
by manzell on Jan 4, 2012 5:07 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
also liked the way Aldridge said "we should get the win against LA"...
may not be exact quote but pretty close..better than “we will TRY to win against LA”
It would been crazy if
LMA bit Perkins ear off Tyson style!
by cavejunctionblazer on Jan 3, 2012 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
That 3 by Batum
I almost lost it. How?!
I thought Rudy would be the perfect 6th man. Come back Ruuudy!
Reminded me of that bobbled lay-up from Nico last season
only in 3pt form. Can’t remember if it was against the Spurs? Where Nico bobbled the ball and somehow shot it off his fingertips while falling out of bounds.
Said Dave "Durant and teammates stack up bricks like a mason on speed."
I guess that makes them Odd Fellows.
Please, please
Someone tell me how we are missing all these layups. EVERY game so far this year, win and loss, has had tons of missed layups by multiple people. How in the world can our team be doing that?! Does nate need to spend an hour forcing them into a layup line at the end of practice or something? Nothing is more frustrating than seeing what should be easy buckets missing.
"We Believe" - Rudy Fernandez
by TheGreatMon on Jan 3, 2012 10:21 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
been wondering the same thing myself
even studs like Gerald seem to be off the mark.
put a body on 'em
short training camp (none for LMA) 2 pre-season games...LONG off season...
5th game in the season…Really this would be the last PRE-SEASON game after a much longer training camp and not as long away from playing regular basketball…
may all be reasons for the misses…at least they don’t look like they are trying out for a volley ball game at the basket anymore…
Maybe that's what "ugly" post-lockout basketball looks like.
Lack of camp, lack of pre-season, lack of conditioning, and voila… guys can’t hit their layups and KD is jacking outside jumpers all night long.
In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice they're not.
by conspirator5 on Jan 3, 2012 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
all things considered, and the new offense
I’m actually pretty impressed with the team so far
I JUST WANT MY BASKETBALL BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Sean in Vancouver on Jan 3, 2012 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
Get used to it
This is not an accident. None of these guys are comfortable finishing unless it’s a dunk. That doesn’t change. Scoring in traffic is a skill. This is one of the reasons Portland has to manufacture inside points instead of just assuming them.
—Dave
Yeah, it's a skill
body control, balance, touch with both hands and vision let guys make layups in traffic. It’s not luck that lets Tony Parker be a one man fast break while Jerryd Bayless and Jarrett Jack were turnovers waiting to happen in similar situations.
Yeah, Manu is a wizard down there
Roy was pretty amazing, too. It’s really a skill that separates the solid players from the true greats. There are really aren’t a ton of mediocre perimeter players out there who can finish well in traffic.
"really aren’t a ton of mediocre perimeter players out there who can finish well in traffic."
Leandro Barbosa comes to mind, but he’s one of the few.
"I Am Mine"
Him and Monta Ellis
are the only two that really come to mind for me right now, although I could squint my eyes and let Devin Harris and John Salmons sneak in there, too.
Andre Miller?
And Matthews was making some pretty difficult contested layups as well.
by Batumshakalaka on Jan 4, 2012 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
Andre Miller doesn't get to the rim with regularity, so no.
Also, Wesley Matthews is a TO machine when driving to the basket.
Mediocre guards who possess the skill set discussed here are guys like Leandro Barbosa and Will Bynum. Royster included John Salmons, although he’s more of a jump shooter nowadays.
I dislike including Devin Harris and Monta Ellis, since they’re more above average than mediocre. When including above average guards, I’d add Rodney Stuckey.
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He's not talking finishing games.... He's saying finishing at the rim.
Batum has been one of the worst in that regard.
As Bob Saget would say...
I got a trigger finger itchier’n chicken pox. (From rolling with Saget).
It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong. I am NOT a big man.
OKC should not be the favorite in the West.
Granted, I think the Blazers were fortunate because the Thunder missed a lot of open shots from outside, but to me it speaks to why I’ve always felt like it was WAYYYYY too early for everyone to anoint OKC as the obvious choice to win the Western Conference. They are a great young team but they jack up way too many shots from outside…. and Westbrook, while supremely talented, just doesn’t seem like he’s ready to guide a team through a deep playoff run.
And watching Wallace post up a foul-addled Durant repeatedly with ease was just inexcusable for a team that is supposedly going to the Finals.
I have no idea who will win the West and I’m not saying the Blazers are the favorites, but I will be surprised if the Thunder does it the way they currently play.
by The Cactus Leaguer on Jan 3, 2012 10:25 PM PST reply actions
I agree
I think the Lakers, Mavs and possibly the Spurs(depends on Ginobli) will have something to say about it. I really hope we’re in there somewhere too. At least in the NW division.
Isn't that like
25-30 games?
by jamon51 on Jan 4, 2012 12:14 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
"I really hope we’re in there somewhere too."
I don’t want to overestimate the Blazers, but … um … just take a look at who’s the No. 1 team in the West tonight.
This ain't 2008
Oklahoma city is still the best bet to come out of the west
M, period. Fresh, comma.
by manzell on Jan 4, 2012 5:11 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
they still need to prove it
and they have yet to prove anything. Truth be told, I expected more from them last night. Especially the way they were hyped.
They are, however, the defending NW division champs. I’ll give them that.
I'd probably agree about OKC not being the favorites
but who should be?
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by Sean in Vancouver on Jan 3, 2012 10:29 PM PST up reply actions
Well with the old guard
declining someone had to be the anointed darling. The media is crying out for Durant vs LeBron (sorry Kobe). Sad to say
They have issues like every team does
Ibaka doesn’t seem to be developing like people thought he would. Perkins’ positive impact is mitigated by his douchbaggery and the fact he doesn’t give them a serious low post threat. Westbrook wants to do it himself. Durant can be taken out of his game when he isn’t getting calls.
All that being said, I wouldn’t mind having their problems. I don’t know how this game makes them any less of a threat to win the West. If Durant, Westbrook, and Harden are penetrating, drawing fouls, and hitting shots, the frontcourt rotation of Perkins, Ibaka, Collison, and Nazr can do what they do best, defend and rebound. I would still put them at or near the top of the list of contenders in the west.
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1. I agree that they are a contender, I was reacting to the media hype that is anointing them as the clear favorite.
2. They are not, and should not be, the favorite when they play like they did last night. Championship contenders don’t have schizophrenic players running the show and they don’t jack up contested outside jumpers (and then complain that they aren’t getting any calls) when they fall behind. They dig in on D, pound it inside and pound the glas, and make smart, high percentage plays. Not exactly what the Thunder were doing last night… although you are correct in saying they are capable of executing on those fronts with the talent on their roster – but I gotta see it first against a high caliber team in a playoff type atmospher before I anoint them WCF favorites.
by The Cactus Leaguer on Jan 4, 2012 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
Agreed on Westbrook
This team looks like it could really flourish with a passing pg. I mean Durants already the scoring champ, but imagine if he had a pg that could get him the ball when he’s ready to score. I think OKC should try to trade Westbrook for Deron Williams. Even Rondo would help even though his lack of scoring would hurt with two defensive big men.
by Batumshakalaka on Jan 4, 2012 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
Bynum with 16 rebounds tonight
and LAL outrebounds HOU by 20. Not only that but Kyle Lowry is HOU’s leading rebounder with 10. Next best are all at 5.
LAL has some punks. POR better not take any of their guff. I can see Barnes trying to get in Batum’s grille.
put a body on 'em
I thought Bynum had a 21/22 line?
Beastly. Going to be a handful this coming Thursday.
CORRECTION: Bynum had 22 rebounds
16 was just his defensive total. Jeepers.
LAL also shot 52.6%. Houston’s choice for starters to guard Kobe was either Kevin Martin or Chase Budinger.
put a body on 'em
We need to have Camby step on his foot
like he did to Oden a couple a years ago. Then maybe he’ll get frustrated and rip off his shirt
Durant isn't Jordan.
The Blazer curse, Bowie over Jordan and Oden over Durant. At this stage of the game I would have guess the long term results won’t be the same as with Bowie and Jordan. I don’t know about Oden, but if I had to guess Durant doesn’t work nearly as hard as Jordan. His body hasn’t changed since he came into the NBA and he is still capable of being manhandled despite being the freak he is athletically.
The other half of it is Wallace and Batum frustrate him. He will always be great but lots of great players in NBA retire without a ring. At least in terms of the Blazer curse I hope that’s the case.
If Durant built up some size like a Wallace or Lebron
I couldn’t imagine the damage he could do to the league, or perhaps the damage he could do to his body. I am not sure if he is capable to be built like one of the bigger forwards, but if he can…
As far as comparisons to MJ, I suppose they both have a pretty well rounded game. Michael had icewater in his veins, one of the most clutch players to play the game, a workout regimen that would kill a lot of people, and well… rings, and so much other hardware that it’s ridiculous.
It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong. I am NOT a big man.
Also if you look at how Oden looked in summer league, they way he moved. That guy never being injured with 4 years
of basketball and training in the off season would have carried this team to the finals.
by BRoyInThe4th on Jan 3, 2012 10:38 PM PST up reply actions
From what I know Durant works really hard
I just don’t see the deadly competitive drive like Jordan had (few have it). And Durant isn’t a very physical player which limits his effectiveness.
put a body on 'em
Jordan had it most of his career
Kobe picked it up much later in his career than MJ, and I really think he could have been near Michael’s level if he had the drive. LeBron is not even in the conversation, unless national media has the need to.
It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong. I am NOT a big man.
?
“LBJ crushed D-Rose last season”
The same LBJ that choked for the second straight year “crushed” the youngest NBA MVP ever? Your statement also implies that Rose does not have talent. If comparing individual performances from last year, I do not concur.
by ToplessBlazerDancer3000 on Jan 4, 2012 1:05 AM PST up reply actions
Did you watch the ecf?
Lebron owns D Rose. Also Lebron was the best player in the League last year not Rose. Just because he got the award doesn’t mean he deserved it. As was pointed out when he got it last year Westbrook had as good of a year as Rose did and you never heard his name in the MVP discussion.
Also how is LBJ not winning the Finals a choke while LBJ was covering him?
Try comparing LBJ vs Rose and LBJ comes out on top every time.
Yes, LBJ crushed D-Rose.
He absolutely annihilated him.
Also, LBJ indeed has more talent than D-Rose. That’s not to say D-Rose isn’t talented — nor was it implied, but whatever — rather, my point was that he’s got less talent than LBJ.
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Define talent
Your definition of talent sounds like it includes height, size, strength, etc. What do you think would happen if Lebron and Rose had exactly the same body types?
Saying that a player as freakishly skilled as Rose obviously has less talent than another player is completely absurd, and doesn’t lend itself to reasonable debate.
by ToplessBlazerDancer3000 on Jan 5, 2012 4:17 AM PST up reply actions
Yes, "height, size, strength" and traits like that are a part of one's innate talent.
Oh, and if we’re going to discuss who’s the most “skilled” aside from natural gifts, then Chris Paul is ahead of Derrick Rose when it comes to sub-6’4" tall players.
See, if we play your what-if game of if so-and-so “had exactly the same body type,” then Rose loses to Paul. It doesn’t work that way, though.
Indeed, part of what makes LeBron James so talented is that his supreme ability is wrapped up in the body and physique of a genetic freak.
"I Am Mine"
It has nothing to do with work ethic or competitive drive.
We’re not talking about Michael Jordan versus Vince Carter.
As it is, Kevin Durant’s lean body type hurts him. For Durant, putting on muscle is near impossible. Skill wise, his high dribble, poor court vision, mediocre athleticism*, weak dribble-drive game, and inability to create good looks for his teammates are fatal flaws in his game that won’t change.
*Durant has superb fluidity, but his athleticism is subpar for a NBA player. For proof, look no further than his combine measurements.
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Ever get the feeling that an AK1984 scouting service
would produce one or two player recommendations a year?
Durant wouldn’t even make the cut as a starter, maybe not even a rotation player!
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
I know he's over the top sometimes,
but AK is responding to a post that compared Durant to Jordan. I think in this case his comments are fair.
"Say his NAME, Portland. Gerald Wallace is...awesome." -Dave, 4/9/11
I think Michael Jordan was better than Durant is right now.
Didn’t follow Michael closely back then but it seems like he took awhile to get a championship. Maybe 6 years.
Had to learn to play team ball, built his body up and get Pippen to bulk up a bit before the Bulls went on their championship runs.
But truly MJ was kind of nuts about winning. And from what I heard he was kind of a jerk as a team mate. But talented and driven.
Think Durant is way more normal than MJ.
MJ was no doubt pathological
Although similar things have been said about Durant, but the comparison pretty much ends there. MJ was either the best or a top 5 NBA athlete for essentially his entire pre-baseball NBA career. Durant will never be that guy, no matter how hard he works out. It’s not a matter of working hard, it’s a matter of genetics.
Hence, AK pointing out that RayBourque and gunballs’ criticisms really just don’t make a lot of sense for Durant. They may be true to some extent (doubtful that Durant is quite as pathological as MJ), but it’s not the driving factor there. Like saying LaMarcus is incomparable to Shaq because he’s 6’11" instead of a 7 footer.
Yeah, the arguments that those two guys made apply above not to Kevin Durant, ...
but rather Vince Carter. Carter’s the supremely gifted one who lacked the drive, heart, work ethic, killer instinct — or whatever folks want to call it — that Michael Jordan had in spades.
"I Am Mine"
MJ averaged 37 a game in a tough, tough league.
MJ is absolutely better than anybody in the league today. Drop a 23 year old version of him in today’s NBA with the hand check rules and he drops 40 a game, easy. If he’s on a bad team and is the only scoring option he might push 50 a game.
by mattisnotfrench on Jan 4, 2012 8:21 AM PST up reply actions
Nobody's averaging 40 points per contest with the pace of today's game.
Also, any advantage Michael Jordan gets with the banning of hand checking would be negated by the allowing of zone defenses.
I admire Jordan, as well as feel that he’s the greatest to have ever played the game of basketball. Still, he’s not scoring 40 per game in this era. 35, yes. But 40? No, not 40.
"I Am Mine"
To be fair, I compare Kevin Durant to George Gervin.
I acknowledge Durant is a high-scoring star, even a superstar; however, he’s not a transcendent all-time great like LeBron James, who’s the most gifted player of his generation.
"I Am Mine"
Why are the Fakers on the front page of ESPN? They beast a bad Houston team by 9 points. We beat the 2nd ranked team
in their building.
U mad bro?
I know I am, well not so much anymore. I have adjusted to the lack of press, flying under the radar I suppose.
It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong. I am NOT a big man.
Why does ESPN talk about that pile of crap Tim Tebow?
Because it sells, okay. Money is the bottom line, which is fine.
"I Am Mine"
Timothy Jeezuss Tebow is an effective QB
And I guess God loves him and God loves America no matter how dumb we are.
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Too bad NFL playoff games can't end in a tie, as I refuse to root for either Tebow or the Steelers.
Meh, here’s to hoping Ben Roethlisberger suffers a career-ending injury on Pittsburgh’s first drive of the game. Ultimately, the Steelers win 2-0 on a Tebow safety — with him scrambling out the back of the end zone or something — in the 4th quarter.
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by AK1984 on Jan 3, 2012 11:53 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
if I could ever make one post green by myself, this would be it
White Gold in the house!
by Portland Love on Jan 4, 2012 12:19 AM PST up reply actions
Yep, me too.
Big Ben deserves the worst possible scenario. Dude is a scumbag.
Paul Allen, the 2011 Trail Blazers Owner/GM
Is there any chance Elliot to see some playing time?
O Nolan?
And whether it was reasonably LA to play 41 minutes?And do you think that Batum should get only 24 minutes?
when we hopefully get some breathing room
the bench guys should get some time. But a big game like tonight, we pretty much have to go with the short rotation.
Whats the deal with all these copycats!
Wasnt Rip City the first “city” nickname for a bball team? Now we got Lob City and Loud City? How many other “cities” are there? It seems to me they are jockin our style!
by cavejunctionblazer on Jan 3, 2012 10:38 PM PST reply actions
Lob city only happened
Because Griffin and his little giggling like a school girl on the phone outside practice. Like he got asked to prom by the quarterback.
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by SGT Lenny on Jan 3, 2012 10:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
the dude is just a total wuss
And that new commercial is just stupid.
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by scaredcow on Jan 3, 2012 11:35 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
What's really funny
is that both “Lob City” and “Loud City” apply more to “Rip City” than they do to the cities they’ve become nicknames for. Posers lol
What's the line?
“Imitiation is the sincerest form of flattery.”
Portland is the original, so don’t sweat it. OKC is turning into Crowd City with Westbrook and Durant. Hopefully LAC will turn into Sob City.
put a body on 'em
Loud City is something Portland never needs
Like the signs that say get loud… Yeah OK. The Garden is the only place I know of that the chants start before the music. Or the music has to adjust based on what we are all doing, i.e. yelling for a little defense.
It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong. I am NOT a big man.
There was a time with about 4-5 minutes left tonight
where you knew the OKC PA people must have put “get loud” up on the board because it was so obvious.
put a body on 'em
Inevitibly at most arenas there is a point that people forget they are at a game.
For us Blazer fans, we get into the game probably too much.
I’ve been to about half the arenas in the NBA (Army travel really helps), and there is less knowledgeable fans (even about their own team) throughout the NBA.
It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong. I am NOT a big man.
IDK but Lob Angeles would'be been much better.
Loud City is just plain lame as well as the name Thunder. They should’ve been the Outlaws.
by RevRoy on Jan 3, 2012 10:57 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Green Grass and High Tides Forever dude
This is my signature. Do you like it?
yeah, I'm still a bit perplexed
you get a chance to pick a new team name, logo, and colors – and they pretty much whiffed on all three.
"But if Ding Dongs and prime rib were the path to NBA pivot stardom we'd all be wearing the uniform." -Dave
I overheard Mike say in the game that the NBA eliminated a type of foul, involving pump faking or swinging your arms through the defender.
I’m not sure which it is, but if this is true, I am so happy about this. The NBA was brilliant in getting rid of this cheap gimmick that players like Durant took advantage of. There was also another rule changed they mentioned in the game today, but for the life of me I can’t remember what it was, but it was another good change by the NBA (very surprising)!
by BeaumontTXBlazerFan on Jan 3, 2012 10:40 PM PST reply actions
It's the rip-through foul
It’s still called a foul, but it’s now non-shooting. So you can’t rip your arms through a defender, toss the ball at a rim, and get three free throws.
And yay to that!
Heck yeah!!! That's awesome.
I wish I could remember the other one they mentioned.
by BeaumontTXBlazerFan on Jan 3, 2012 10:43 PM PST up reply actions
Great, thanks alot. Those dribbling violations are pretty crazy.
Haven’t really seen those called at all yet.
by BeaumontTXBlazerFan on Jan 3, 2012 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
I mean, doesn't Jamal do this every time down with his hesitation dribbles:
“The league will also make traveling in the post and on the perimeter a point of emphasis, with a player hopping off of and landing on the same foot viewed as an automatic violation.”
by BeaumontTXBlazerFan on Jan 3, 2012 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not sure if that's exactly the move they mean
It’s so hard to tell in text. It’s possible they made the rule but aren’t enforcing it… wouldn’t be the first time.
too early
give them about 2 more weeks, then they’ll stop enforcing all the new rules
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by Sean in Vancouver on Jan 3, 2012 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
ESPN covered the game in the first 10 mins of SportsCenter tonight...
..and it included this exchange:
Announcer 1: “Aldridge vs Perkins. Who you got?”
Announcer 2: “Gerald Wallace.”
by Timmay! on Jan 3, 2012 10:41 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah Perkins wanted none of Wallace and he backed up
quick when he saw him comin
by cavejunctionblazer on Jan 3, 2012 10:47 PM PST up reply actions
So should we make a play for Westbrook as a RFA this off-season?
Maybe they match any offer. Not sure, it costs us 3 days to find out. I’m just not sure that he fits that great with Durant. They like Maynor. They have other guys that need to get paid. I don’t really see Westbrook as a max guy even though he can really heat up at times. Do you all think he’ll get a max deal?
by 52therim on Jan 3, 2012 10:44 PM PST via mobile reply actions
They've already said they'll match any offer, including a max.
If he’s leaving, they’ll try to get value for him in a trade.
Well then we should offer a max
Or some team should, so OKC has to lock all that cap room on 2 players…
It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong. I am NOT a big man.
Yeah you're probably right
But just to make sure.
It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong. I am NOT a big man.
I don't even really like Westbrook but it's a win win for Portland to do that. The hope would be that it
makes the contract worse for OKC. If they don’t match we could use Westbrook as a trade chip.
by BRoyInThe4th on Jan 4, 2012 12:47 AM PST up reply actions
It's also possible they can offer him an extra-max offer based on the Derrick Rose rule
We’ll see if that comes up.
So you believe what they're saying?
Does that mean we could force a S&T? They have the rights to him as a RFA but I’d hate to see them get him cheap.
by 52therim on Jan 3, 2012 10:51 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
We couldn't force a sign-and-trade, though Westbrook could say he wants out
Really, when a rookie is RFA, his options are limited unless he wants to make a big stink and try to escape. Possible with Westbrook but not likely.
I do agree it wouldn’t hurt to offer a max to Westbrook, just to make sure OKC doesn’t get a discount. Especially if you don’t really have any other players you’re trying to sign (don’t want to tie up your cap space for 3 days during a prime signing period). But I can’t imagine Westbook’s agent will have any problem telling them to offer him the max, or he’ll just do the QO for a season and say sayonara.
No reason to accept a QO if another team is offering a max deal.
You are right. OKC won’t let Westbrook go without getting something back. I’m just not convinced they think he fits with Durant and may not want to be the team that pays him. I can see him moving in a trade where OKC gets fair value back. We’d only be forcing the trade in the sense that they may not want to pay him. Obviously, they could match and then wait for any team to make a fair offer.
by 52therim on Jan 3, 2012 11:03 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
No reason to accept a QO if another team is offering a max deal.
That’s not true. If you sign a max offer as an RFA, your current team can keep you for the length of that offer, no matter where you want to go.
If you decline another team’s offer and take the QO, you’ll be free to go wherever you want afterward. But you risk a huge loss due to injury.
The cards are all in the team’s court at the end of a rookie contract. But not so much that they can lowball an offer and risk losing a star player.
Top players have given a lot of lip service to signing the QO to keep options open.
Only I can’t think of any players offered a max deal at the end of their rookie deal that has turned it down. They sign the extension with opt outs. When they end up forcing their way out is after opting out.
So you’re right. Signing the QO is an option, but for practical purposes, it is an option for guys not offered a max deal. Maybe there are exceptions that I’m unaware of.
by 52therim on Jan 3, 2012 11:21 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Ben Gordon is as close as it gets
And he’s no Russell. Any player worth max doesn’t need to go elsewhere to get that offer, their current team will pony up. So, OKC will offer him very close to max, unless he’s a really big locker room problem. And even then they’ll try to keep it quiet until they complete a trade.
It'll be interesting to see how it plays out.
I think you’re right and OKC ends up giving him a max deal, but I doubt he’s still with the Thunder in the last year of that deal. I just don’t see him and Durant co-existing. It’ll be interesting if they decide they can’t afford Westbrook and a guy like Ibaka. If they could turn Westbrook and Ibaka into a player that could give some post scoring … Would Dwight Howard sign an extension in OKC? I doubt it.
by 52therim on Jan 3, 2012 11:48 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
can they?
with the new CBA, i thought the true max could be offered to only one player on a team?
PHILLY!
Not to my knowledge. I'll check.
I don’t see anything to that effect on Larry Coon’s recap on ESPN.com.
Then make them pay the max for him.
I’d say the Blazers should make a play at him just to make OKC give him max money.
by mattisnotfrench on Jan 4, 2012 8:23 AM PST up reply actions
Didn't they pick up Maynor from Utah for practically nothing originally anyway?
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by KeepItCopacetic on Jan 3, 2012 10:50 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know
I know Westbrook is really good at what he does. But I don’t think I want him in PDX. Partly because I like the squad we have now, and partly because I think a ball hog would be bad for the team in general.
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by Sean in Vancouver on Jan 3, 2012 10:57 PM PST up reply actions
felton with the shot @ westy
Remember how Russell Westbrook torched the Blazers last season, making Andre Miller look 50 while averaging 27 points, 8.5 rebounds and 6.0 assists in four games? Well, now the Blazers have Felton, whose speed — both offensively and defensively — neutralizes Westbrook just enough to take away a huge advantage. Westbrook still got his Tuesday night — 22 points, six rebounds and eight assists — but nine of the points were late and much of his night was spent trying to beat Felton, not the Blazers.
Felton, by contrast, looked like a point guard out to help his team, not his statistics, and he hurt the Thunder at key moments, using his quickness to go coast-to-coast twice during a third-quarter surge, and another time drawing two defenders to feed LaMarcus Aldridge for a dunk. All told, Felton finished with 12 points, seven assists, four rebounds and the big stat — one turnover in 36 minutes.
“That’s the type of guy he is, that’s his mindset, that’s how he plays,” Felton said when I remarked about Westbrook’s win-the-battle, but lose-the-war mentality. “He’s always in a one-on-one battle with all the point guards. I’m not really into that. I’m into winning. If you win, everybody gets the praises. We are not wearing ‘Felton’ on the front of our jerseys; it says Blazers. I care about the Blazers winning.”
PHILLY!
by CleBlazer on Jan 3, 2012 11:00 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
boom
Felton becomes a fan favorite
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by Sean in Vancouver on Jan 3, 2012 11:04 PM PST up reply actions
Nice. That's why I wouldn't want him in Portland
even though he has a lot of talent. If he gets a mental reset at some point then watch out though.
put a body on 'em
Felton on defense
Could be a big part of the improvement in team’s defense.
by 52therim on Jan 3, 2012 11:08 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Ray isn't in a position to talk crap about anyone, especially Westbrook.
Mano-a-mano, Russ would eat Felton for lunch. Would be a full meal, too.
"I Am Mine"
It was definitely meant as a shot.
And probably a bit of psychological warfare for their next meeting.
Yeah the funny part is
Westbrook probably reads this and responds by …. trying to show up Ray on one one.
by pualo on Jan 3, 2012 11:32 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He might be able to win one on one, but blazers on thunder is what counts.
by solid_soup on Jan 3, 2012 11:51 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Ray could probably eat Westy for lunch
then outrun you on the basketball court afterwards
I think that what Felton says is what I'm really taking away from this Blazers team-
I don’t even really care about the box score anymore- it’s just about playing as a team, playing the right way, and winning- and I think that is what is defining this Blazers team.
by simoninaustralia on Jan 4, 2012 6:18 AM PST up reply actions
Batum
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
Now I'm kind of upset.
I was thinking about going to this game (since I don’t live too far from OKC), but got strep throat a couple days ago and didn’t feel up to traveling. It would have been amazing to be there.
"There is nothing shrewd about running a red light and later finding out it kept you from being hit by an asteroid." - philofthenorth
by KeepItCopacetic on Jan 3, 2012 10:50 PM PST reply actions
Don't mess with strep.
Bummer deal but glad you didn’t talk yourself into going.
In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice they're not.
by conspirator5 on Jan 3, 2012 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
Besides LMA who is your player of the game
Wes or Batum? I gotta go Wes but its really close. Somebody else?
by cavejunctionblazer on Jan 3, 2012 10:54 PM PST reply actions
After LA, definitely Batum
Then Wes.
And despite our earlier thread Felton did a nice job. I’m just expecting more (and I think we will see it).
put a body on 'em
agreed on Rayray
Wes was ballin tonite but so was Batum!
by cavejunctionblazer on Jan 3, 2012 11:09 PM PST up reply actions
agreed on Ray
I’m used to seeing Dre run the offense with a certain poise. Going to take some time for Felton to settle in anywhere near that level of comfort. I give him a hard time because it’s doesn’t look like he knows where he’s going a lot but he’s done fine so far and I expect he’ll improve.
yep..there was a sequence where Batum stole the ball, got a block and then got a rebound..
maybe the steal part is wrong..anyway, there were 3 plays in a row that were brilliant.
He can play.
And he will play plenty of minutes with this season’s schedule.
ok this is weird
and a bit creepy, but i think i found the flight number for the blazers delta charter.
i was looking for delta arrivals today at pdx, and found this:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL8945
check it out. trips to uta, la, okc, and now back to pdx.
whoa.
PHILLY!
dude thats classified federal information!
you better delete it quick before someone sees it. uh oh!
; )
by cavejunctionblazer on Jan 3, 2012 10:55 PM PST up reply actions
What's so creepy?
I don’t get it.
by BeaumontTXBlazerFan on Jan 3, 2012 11:00 PM PST up reply actions
Tie 4 me 2 bail-i got 2 chapters left in book 5 wheel of time
Have a good night yall!
PPPPEEEEAAAAACCCCEEEEE OOOOOOOUUUUUTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by cavejunctionblazer on Jan 3, 2012 11:11 PM PST reply actions
Great book series!
I’m on number 7
White Gold in the house!
by Portland Love on Jan 4, 2012 12:23 AM PST up reply actions
Wheel of Time Fans!
I’ve read the series almost 3 times now. I’ll probably read the last book or two again before the last book comes out late this year.
Not the first time
that Wheel of Time has come up on Blazersedge. That’s what we used to call Jamaal Magloire’s low post spin move.
—Dave
Jamaal is still in the NBA! He played 16 min the other night.
I forget what team he’s on. Someone not too good.
ignacio
I started that long ago
and then found out he was planning on writing, like, 16 books in the series. I said, “OK, you self-indulgent so and so. Your writing is good enough to keep me hooked but you better not go and die before you finish!”
And then he did.
No lie.
Partial comfort: the series really starts to bog down after the first 6-7 books. I’ve read through 9 or 10 I think but I’ve decided I’m going to wait until the last one comes out and just read them all in one swoop.
—Dave
I never got upset about getting grounded because of those books.
by Kevlar Rocket on Jan 4, 2012 1:07 AM PST up reply actions
Yea I had some good times with those in high school
Or a boring college break. I’ve been trying to find my next series that i really love to read, but no real luck so far. I picked up the Game of Thrones series, I’m about halfway through the second book. I like it, but only enough to read it on the bus, at home, it just can’t move ahead of plenty of other things to do.
Maybe I’ll pick up some of the stuff by Brandon Sanderson (the guy who is doing the last three books of the Wheel of Time).
Brandon Sanderson's Mistborn is great
Also, if you haven’t read Name of the Wind by Patrick Rothfuss, do so. It will blow your mind. It’s been 4 months since I last read it, and I’m already itching to do so again.
book 11 things really start to pick up again
I think 10 is the slowest as only 3 days pass ;) but Sanderson is doing a great job finishing the series, and unlike Jordan he doesn’t introduce new plotlines constantly, so the end is in sight!
"Say his NAME, Portland. Gerald Wallace is...awesome." -Dave, 4/9/11
wow. gerald calls out perkins
wow. blazers swag on high right now.
RE: LA-Perkins thing: http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2012/01/portland_103_oklahoma_93_blazers_jump_to_the_top_o.html
Afterward, Aldridge downplayed the incident, saying, “It was just two competitive guys in the heat of the moment.”
Wallace had another take on the incident.
“That’s somebody trying to be what he’s not,” Wallace said of Perkins. “Like I told LA, don’t even worry about that. Let’s just get the win and go home. It’s not worth you getting suspended four or five games. It’s going to frustrate them more if we get this win and go home.”
PHILLY!
by CleBlazer on Jan 3, 2012 11:12 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Kudos to Collison
Once again Nick Collison played a solid game against the Blazers. He would be close to my ideal backup PF for this team. I’ve always appreciated his workmanlike approach.
Tonight: 9 RB and 6 pts on 3-5 shooting in 23 minutes. He played very well in the first half.
put a body on 'em
yes. very workmanlike and blue collar
Collison is a real lunch bucket guy.
This is my signature. Do you like it?
And its a lunch bucket
full of biscuits & thick country gravy !
Paul Allen, the 2011 Trail Blazers Owner/GM
it was a great game. Hopefully you can record it or watch it later.
they re-play games on that channel.
This win really feels good this early in the season,
with so many changes. A lot of uncertainty of what to expect, when, lo and behold, the Blazers come out strong. This pretty much eclipses the Clippers ‘hangover’ with a nice road win against the vaunted Thunder. These early wins are great for building confidence and motivation.
Gerald, in particular is a key to the team transformation. I gotta appreciate Nate embracing Wallace. We have the veterans to stabilize the team. We are not the kids any more, and that has advantages. This is a great team to root for since they can, and often do, deliver. It is amusing to watch some outside pundits ‘catch up’ on what’s up with the (decimated by injuries) Blazers. It’s nice when you can be a ‘homer’ and also be correct.
I like the team talking like, ‘we haven’t got it together yet’. Oh yes, keep working on finding your ‘A’ game guys. We would love to see it.
I agree with you. The key to this team is Gerald Wallace. He sets the tone.
And I think he’s inspiring the heck out of Batum.
ignacio
they cheer when the scoreboard tells them too
they boo whenever someone else boos
They're basically college football fans.
If they had been presented with a bad NBA team no one would attend these games.
ignacio
still loling at the Simpson conga line
Wallace deserves some credit for Durant’s shooting. He crowded Durant forcing him to drive or shoot awkward shots off the dribble. Durant was trying to take advantage of every open look he had so he was gunning to put himself in rhythm
It's a shame that Greg Oden and Brandon Roy
couldn’t avoid the injuries. You guys would have a dynasty right now.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 4, 2012 7:38 AM PST reply actions
Batum
is putting up some real numbers so far. 11.6 points, 6.2 rebounds, 1.2 blocks, and 1 assist in 24.2 minutes a game. We have some lineup right now.
his Per 36 #s are almost identical to the #s he put up in France this fall
(except for the asts)
PHILLY!
Oh.....Zargon from Loud City.
From their pregame
Still, I’m predicting another significant victory for the Thunder. Until Greg Oden gets back, the Blazers will only win one out of every 7 or 8 games against the Thunder, when their offense happens to click on all cylinders. Otherwise, get ready to count this as yet another solid home win
From the recap
The Trail Blazers are the perfect team to defeat the Thunder in all of the right positions
Waffles are crispy and tasty
"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"
by 92wastheyear on Jan 4, 2012 8:12 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Lol. Blatant flip flopping.
I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.
by Charlotte Bobcat on Jan 4, 2012 8:19 AM PST up reply actions
What I find amazing is their sense of entitlement.
It’s as if they believe they are pre-ordained to win.
That’s why they play the games.
by mattisnotfrench on Jan 4, 2012 8:26 AM PST up reply actions
No kidding.
That sense of entitlement is just so grating.
We’re still going 66-0, right?
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65-1
one game under protest
"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"
that was the ref's fault
I don't give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way.
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by Tyler Durrden on Jan 4, 2012 9:09 AM PST up reply actions
D'uh
hence the protest
"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"
yeah, I don't buy that though really
there were so many chances to get ahead in that game that we just didn’t capitalize on. That was a supremely bad call but they didn’t score, the only thing it did was take time off the clock. Still it’s hard to say based on how we played the rest of the night that with that extra time we could have scored anyways. Three putbacks go in in that game and we win, and we had a ton that didn’t go in.
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by Tyler Durrden on Jan 4, 2012 9:19 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah..I agree on that
and I think the Refs have more impact than most . That being said….that call was so bad….so so bad.
"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"
what struck me about the game last night
was how familiar it was. How many times did we see the Blazers fall into the same trap last year as OKC did. Trying to get back into the game by shooting long jump shots. And just like us last year it resulted in less trips to the foul line than the opponent, less second chance opportunities and less calls than the other team in general. So good to see the shoe on the other foot for once, and I really hope it’s a sign of things to come for us.
Also I really liked how we got them into foul trouble early, another side benefit of taking it inside from the start of the game. If you get them in foul trouble you get the advantage of having them back off on defense for fear of another foul, and make them play on their heels. It really opened up the floor for us, and is something we should focus on.
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Fatigue
it really came down to energy, we had it they did not. I think for this season I would say 75% of all games played this year fatigue will be the biggest factor and it is all schedule related. I hate to see circumstances beyond what is out on the floor come in to play so much. I hope it doesn’t hurt the game. One great thing about the NFL is that you don’t have this uneven situation usually. I am not sure if they is anythng that could change though.
I liken our offense last night to a bar fight.
Take one hit to give two or three hits. I love it when the Blazers play like that: Be aggressive, take it to the basket, camp on the foul line and everything else will work itself out.
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by rise_stand_resist on Jan 4, 2012 9:16 AM PST reply actions
Loved last nights game.
Clearly Nate is playing Chris Johnson & Craig Smith according to matchups. Smart move. Aldridge looks like he is ready to dominate, because Ibaka/Perkins is a pretty good PF/C defensive combo & he had his way with em’.
Paul Allen, the 2011 Trail Blazers Owner/GM
We$ley sums things up perfectly
“We haven’t put together a full game yet,” Matthews said. “That’s the scary and exciting part. I don’t think we know what we’re capable of yet, but we know that there’s something there.”
There’s something there. I’m not sure how far it goes yet but it’s intriguing.

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