Game 16 Recap: Portland Trail Blazers 91, Detroit Pistons 94
In a Nutshell
On a night when the Pistons want to play slow and ugly the Blazers oblige them on both accounts with an emphasis on the "ugly". The Blazers fail to score on the break, don't score enough inside, allow the Piston guards to run rampant, and absolutely terrorize everybody's eyeballs from the three-point arc. Despite this they remain in a single-possession game down to the wire but can't convert the tying shot.
Game Flow
The Blazers started out this game in a hole, absent starting small forward Gerald Wallace who jammed a finger a couple games ago and couldn't go tonight. The Pistons, on the other hand, started out in their usual hole of not being able to score 90 points. Detroit showed their defensive intentions early, packing the lane often against LaMarcus Aldridge and taking their licks from Portland's shooters. The Pistons don't have great defenders so Aldridge was able to score anyway. The Blazer marksmen were not. They bricked shot after shot. At worst this should have left the teams even. Sadly the Blazers also announced their defensive intentions early: don't get back, wave and foul rather than moving feet, and either give too much help or none at all. Portland defenders curiously doubled Ben Wallace 10 feet from the hoop, for instance, but failed repeatedly to rotate to an ultra-aggressive Rodney Stuckey has he drove the lane for multiple conversions. Three things went right for the Blazers in the first quarter in addition to Aldridge scoring: Nicolas Batum also went hard to the hoop, Craig Smith showed all of his energy and inside scoring late in the period, and offensive rebounds came aplenty. The perspective here is that those three things really should have been eight given the opponent. Portland led 27-26 after one.
The second period began with Portland's bench mired in a huge scoring drought...a trend which the starters continued as they were re-inserted into the game. Portland played slowly, against the clock all quarter long. They ended up with long jumpers and a ton of shots one-on-one. This played right into Detroit's hands. They'd rebound the ball, run it down, and attack the rim. Portland's defense was horrible. There's no other word for it. On the occasions when the Blazers did commit to stopping the drive they had to use multiple men. This left Detroit's shooters open and Portland failed to rotate back out, looking as slow in this department as in every other. Add everything in this paragraph together and you have the Blazers shooting deep versus Detroit shooting deep. The Pistons are going to win that battle every time. Under these circumstances the drives and free throws the Pistons did convert became back-breakers instead of annoyances. Portland scored 16 in the frame, Detroit 28. The Pistons led 54-43 at the half. Keep in mind that Detroit never breaks 100 in a game, seldom crossing the 90-point barrier. Giving up 54 in a single half to them is like giving up 65 to a normal team.
The Blazers came out of the locker room committed to getting the ball inside on offense. They succeeded admirably. Unfortunately they couldn't close the lead because the Pistons remained on fire from three-point range. Despite 3 layups and a three falling in the first 6 minutes of the period Detroit's lead remained at a dozen. Then the Blazers got serious. For the final six minutes they kept men on shooters, stopped drives before they began, forced turnovers, and rebounded the ball...the hallmarks of good Blazer basketball. Continuing the offensive aggression they cut the lead to 3 with a minute left in the third before a couple of Detroit free throws made it 5 at the end of the period. Detroit 73-68 heading into the fourth.
Portland's offensive momentum fizzled in the final period, which would eventually see both teams shooting around 30% from the field. Turnovers, rebounding, and layups kept them plowing forward despite every other conceivable shot missing. The Pistons would generate their points from the foul line (Portland's defense still a half-step late) and a couple offensive rebounds...hard time. Anything pretty would have won this game but nothing came. The result was a 4-point Piston lead with 1:42 to play. The Blazers amped up the hand-work, forcing turnovers like crazy, but the Blazers would also miss 20+ foot shots on three consecutive possessions, able to score only when fouled on a drive. Free throws made the deficit 3 with 37 seconds left and the Blazers forced the Pistons to miss. Portland burned their last timeout with 15 seconds remaining but couldn't get a three off, settling for a layup to pull within 1. They fouled for possession but Rodney Stuckey converted 2 free throws . The Pistons took advantage of Portland not being able to advance the ball via timeout by fouling Raymond Felton before he got near the halfcourt line. Felton made his two free throws and the Blazers fouled Stuckey again. He converted again to complete his 28-point evening. Portland had one last chance but Felton dribbled the ball off the foot of a running Piston player as he crossed halfcourt and Detroit recovered the ball. The Blazers lose 94-91.
Take-Away Points
Yes, the Blazers looked tired but they can't just fall apart in their basic mechanics when they're fatigued. Tired is one thing, awful is another. The Blazers simply played awfully tonight in every department save rebounding and the occasional inside attack. Granted they knew they could turn it on against this opponent and still earn a chance to win but you can't leave game like this to chance. It doesn't look like it on the scoreboard, but save that Phoenix debacle this may have been Portland's worst game of the year collectively against an opponent they should have handled easily.
Individual Notes
LaMarcus Aldridge again feasted on poor defense whenever he could, scoring 25 on 9-17 shooting. He was stuck defending perimeter players most of the night so he had little chance to re-create his monster rebounding game in Toronto. Still, 4 total rebounds with but 2 defensive might be a bit shy. But you also have to factor in that LaMarcus could have scored 40 tonight had any teammates hit an outside shot to loosen the defense against him.
Nicolas Batum had 9 rebounds and was the guy the Blazers depended upon to put out the flames when the Pistons were going crazy with drives. That's the good news. The bad is that he went 5-15 from the field in 42 minutes with a 1-7 rate from the three-point arc. They were decent looks too. 14 points.
Marcus Camby was a prime example of the step-slow phenomenon. He had a quiet game in all respects with 6 rebounds, 5 personal fouls, and 2 points in 26 minutes.
Raymond Felton had another good game offensively, scoring plenty without gumming up the flow. He went 6-9 from the field and all 3 misses were threes. He also went 7-8 from the foul line, leading to 20 points total. He had 9 assists as well.
Wesley Matthews had 6 rebounds but shot only 3-10 from the floor, 1-5 from the arc, and his defense wasn't as sharp as usual. 8 points in 36 minutes. Yes, the Blazers are going through Aldridge plenty and yes, other people use possessions and shots, but at some point we're going to have to start wishing that the Blazers had a stronger option at starting shooting guard. Wesley is a good player but he's looking more like a bench player at this point...perhaps more useful in targeted minutes to take advantage of his particular skills.
Jamal Crawford went 4-13 tonight. He's apparently lost one of the lenses out of his Three Goggles. Not only did he go 0-3 from the arc, none of them were close that I remember. Neither did he get in the lane tonight. It was all fancy dribbling and trying to avoid the travel/palm violation in order to earn a jumper from 18 feet or deeper.
Kurt Thomas did OK with 4 rebounds and 4 points in 16 minutes. He's the one steady guy off of the bench.
Craig Smith went inside repeatedly for 10 points and 5 rebounds in 18 minutes. The Pistons couldn't stop him. He's becoming quite the weapon against weak inside defending teams.
Nolan Smith, Chris Johnson, and (gulp!) Luke Babbitt combined for an undistinguished 10 minutes.
Fun With Numbers
- Detroit 12 fast break points, Portland 8. You are playing wrong when that happens.
- Blazers 3-20 from the arc. Detroit 7-15.
- Aldridge's 25 eclipsed by Stuckey's 28.
- Blazers gave Detroit plenty of foul shots...32. Once again the opponent made more (27) than the Blazers even shot (24). Yes, some of those were intentional fouls late but this isn't an isolated story. Portland either needs to get to the line or or foul less because a half-dozen point leak makes it hard to win.
- Blazers force only 11 turnovers against a team that usually commits 17.
Final Thoughts
The Blazers finally get to come home now but a back-to-back-to-back that starts in just two days isn't going to feel like much of a relief. Portland better find some energy somewhere.
Read about a rare and no-doubt appreciated win at Detroit Bad Boys
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--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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I beg to differ...
Raymond Felton did not have a good offensive game. That guy made 3 shots outside the paint all night. The layups were mostly uncontested testaments to Detroit’s defensive lapses. He had four points at half time, which help in large part put the Blazers in the hole that they would never recover from. Take away all the garbage points and he had a very mediocre game at best.
Also, we “are going to start wishing for another option at the starting two-guard?” Ummm, already happened there, Dave. Already happened.
But everyone laughs when I suggest we trade our role playing shooting guard for the likes of OJ Mayo :(
Not sure on Mayo..but
Matthews is not the starting two-guard on an elite team. I like Wes, but his FG% has dropped each of his three years in the league. Each year he is asked to do more and assumes so and is showing that he is unable to respond. It’s not entirely his fault. He was signed to be the backup swing player behind Roy and Batum, a role in which he would have thrived.
Wes was intended to play about 20 to 28 minutes as well.
I like Wes as an energy “D and 3” guy off the bench a heck of a lot. Wes kills me when he has the ball in his hands for more than a few seconds. He can’t effectively create scoring opportunities on his own and I am surprised when he doesn’t muck up any fast breaks he leads.
A lineup that could take advantage of Matthew’s strengths would have to include both Felton and Crawford as Wes is simply not well suited to being the secondary ball handler.
by Oden Mad, Oden Smash! on Jan 22, 2012 1:30 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Wes has actually been asked to do less this year
That’s the worrying thing….we’ve let him be invisible and he can’t even make a small contribution effectively.
| 23.1 | .647 | .605 | 15.6 | 28.3 | 21.9 | 6.7 | 0.9 | 7.7 | 17.8 | 20.7 | 118 | 100 | 1.3 | 1.0 | 2.2 | .214 |
he's doing invisible very well IMO...
though he did make Rodney Stucky look like an all star with his fabulous defense…and didn’t some of the shooting guards on other teams do pretty well against the Blazers? Matthews DOES guard the other shooting guards usually right?
It appears to me that Wes does better against larger more physical players.
I think Wes lacks the quickness to stay with the quick guys as well as the length to back off a bit and contest jump shots (think Batum). Wes really impressed me with his defense on Carmelo when the Jazz met the Nuggets in the playoffs a few years back.
by Oden Mad, Oden Smash! on Jan 22, 2012 12:55 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
exactly...a few years back...this year and part of last year...he definitely
is not a defensive force.
It's also not all Matthews fault we got torched by Stuckey and Knight.
Camby is not just a huge part of our interior defense he IS the interior defense. When Marcus is on the bench there is no one to funnel the penetrating guards in to.
by Oden Mad, Oden Smash! on Jan 22, 2012 12:57 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Last night there was no funnel
even when Marcus was in the game. He just wasn’t there. Your point seems right on to me though.
—Dave
I think Matthews is not a starting shooting guard on a middle of the pack team either.
The Blazers are not an elite team. No way. Elite teams do not play like this team has been playing.
Not sure I agree with you
On felons evaluation. His shot fell tonight, regardless if it was 20ft out or if he was able to drive past piston defenders…
On top of that he dished out team high 9 assists, getting his teammates involved offensively. And I wouldn’t call crunch time garbage time.
by comptoncory on Jan 21, 2012 8:32 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
crunch time...
mounting a furious comeback is a poor man’s crunch time. That was not a close game. Winning it would have felt like a steal. I don’t remember Felton beating his man off the dribble once. I remember the Pistons not switching on pick and rolls and him walking down the lane uncontested.
If he can make a lay-in those 2 pts are worthwhile.
You have to see that the path is open and seize the initiative to drive and score.
ignacio
Not saying they dont count
just saying they are not a testament to solid play.
Getting a layup
Is a testament to solid play. I’ll take a layup from a PG who recognizes bad rotations and the highest percentage shot on the floor (theoretically).
by comptoncory on Jan 21, 2012 9:07 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
unfortunately
he has to play against real teams too.
Wow...
Let me guess you prefer miller and our 9-11 record last year at this time?
by comptoncory on Jan 21, 2012 9:10 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
that was without wallace and with LA playing at ~15 PER level
Dre’s Nuggies are 12-5 for another comparison.
i keep dancing on my own.
Yeah, the bottom tier has guys like VDN, Mark Jackson, ...
Paul Silas, and Avery Johnson. I’m not sure how “The Little General” got so close to winning a NBA Finals. Oh yeah, the talent of Dirk Nowitzki got Johnson two games away from it in 2006.
"I Am Mine"
That Dallas team was deeeeeeep
Speaking of deep, why do Mark Cuban’s deep pockets consistently net better benches than Paul Allen’s?
I live in Dallas
and that is very debatable
by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 10:13 PM PST up reply actions
I mean this in a friendly way
I really appreciate our back-and-forth and this is the most fun I’ve had on BlazersEdge for a while, but, with you, everything seems debatable.
Thats right
There is no black and white. Everything is grey!
by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
Not even close...
Nate isn’t the problem. A mediocre team without a true clutch players is. I love the Blazers, but Felton has been a disaster, he is as predictable as Bayless was. Mathews isn’t playing well, slump I hope. Canby is playing beyond his years and just shouldn’t have this much riding on him at this point in his career. LA is not a clutch player, he does a lot of things great and we are lucky to have him but is we are at the end of the 4th needing a basket, this is not his comfort zone.
If you want to complain about Nate you can complain about his always rotate defense but if you are implying you think we should get rid of him that seems like a classic case of “the grass is always greener on the other side.” There are only a few coaches in this league that I would consider an upgrade and guess what, we aren’t getting Popovich out here. We are more likely getting another version of Cheeks who actually was a terrible coach.
"At 49, I can say something I never would have said when I was a player, that I'm a better person because of my failures and disgraces." -- Bill Walton
by MischiefPortland on Jan 22, 2012 9:44 AM PST up reply actions
Nate's not the problem.
It’s ridiculous that people scapegoat him. This team overachieved year after year and all people do is piss and moan about the freakin pace of the game. So now he opens it up its still Nate. How about the players being injured or mediocre?
I'm not a huge Nate fan honestly, but I don't think he's an awful coach
Also, I’m not sure our pace has held up from the first few games. I should really go look that up, but our offense looks a lot more like the Roy days now…
97 possessions against Toronto and 94 against Atlanta, which is pretty quick given those are two of the slower teams in the league this yr.
i keep dancing on my own.
Cool thanks for checking.
Is this a side-effect of the defensive issues leading to easy buckets, as opposed to early-season when they were creating buckets with steals?
That’s something that can’t be exactly verified by the numbers on a game to game basis. The increase in early-clock shooting by the Blazers this year compared to the last five is incredibly dramatic though.
i keep dancing on my own.
Noticeable in-game too
Though more in the early season than this road trip. Hard to really eyeball that, of course.
I see a lot of standing around
and isolation or pick and rolls but what else is nate going to do (as if he wants standing around anyway) nobody can make a shot.
He didn't do so well with the team he had in Seattle... but then
again, the players weren’t that great… expect for Ray.
They never underachieved...
Didn’t they almost make West finals one year?
Nahh that was with Nate in... 2004?
It was the season when he had a bunch of players in a contract season.
And no one considered that a good team
that was a surprise to most people.
Can you expect more
from a coach than to have his team play over their talent level?
I think they played to their talent level that season
They had a good team, featuring a Rashard Lewis before his bloated contract, and Ray Allen.
At best they're a minor surprise
That can be chalked up to natural variance that can decide the fate of closely matched opponents in the playoffs.
That team had a 15 game
win improvement. I would say thats a little better than a minor surprise.
by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
Huh?
The third best player on that team was freaking Luke Ridenour! That team was garbage. The year after Nate left and they won 35 games.
by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
And...
the year before when they weren’t as good…uh Ray Allen missed like 30 games. Maybe that had something to do with it.
by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
The team had some turnover
Don’t forget, when Nate came to Portland, their record dropped too. Of course, the Blazers had turnover too.
His role in the ups and downs gets a little overrated imo.
That being said
Tom Thibs in Chicago has an impressive track record in getting teams to play stellar defense.
There are always exceptions.
Coaching in the NBA
Seems to be more about managing players ego and playing time, rather than X’s and O’s scheming.
The ones that can manage personalities, not get fired, AND come up with a good game plan are few and far between.
The coaches I’ve been most impressed with this year are Stan Van Gundy, Rick Adelman, and Thibs.
Collins has been great, too
What happened to Spencer Hawes?
You’re a Huskies fan, did even you see this coming?
It reminds me of watching Aldridge last year. I had to pinch myself to make sure I wasn’t dreaming.
On the other end of the coaching spectrum, how foolish was it for Wesphal to alienate Hawes and campaign for Sam Dalembert. That trade did nothing for the Kings this season. No wonder Petrie fired him after his blow-out with Demarcus Cousins.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice…
What Spencer Hawes has done so far is ...
unsustainable. Him shooting a ridiculous % on mid-range jumpers doesn’t last.
At any rate, Hawes is this generation’s Brad Miller. A solid role player, but not someone to go bonkers over.
"I Am Mine"
There wasn't that much meaningful turnover
Shouldn’t account for 17 more losses.
That team had .500 talent. And Nate either had that or was better. What more can you ask?
by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
Are we talking about the '04-'05 Sonics?
That squad was just a one-hit wonder. Like Memphis is now, which is why I think people should cool it on the Grizzlies.
"I Am Mine"
Yes. That team.
The point though is that Nate has pretty consistently gotten the most out of the talent he has had. That team was Allen, Lewis and a bunch of yahoos.
by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 10:36 PM PST up reply actions
Nate's not perfect
But who are you going to replace him with that is better? I don’t think the reputation that he has earned around the league is a fluke.
by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
Dre's nuggies?
Oh you mean lawsons team. Miller comes off the bench.
But I’ll give credit to his trip-doub game. Write 1 down.
by comptoncory on Jan 21, 2012 10:27 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Felton's year last year
was an abnormality. Look at his career stats.
I don't want to look at his career stats, I just wan to
view last year and hope he would continue to be that this year.
Its not outlandish to thing a young player will improve
Felton looked like he might be having a breakthrough with New York before he got traded.
Sure...
thats what mediocre teams peddle. Hope and potential.
He’s been in the league seven years. He had one decent season with a freak show of a team that tried to score 130 every night.
lol
Ok you focus on last year. I will look at the other six years of his career.
yes and it was all Miller's fault...most likely without Miller the team would
have been 5-15 to start the season last year.
Results are all that matter
Felton had a solid offensive game. He’s had plenty enough that weren’t that we need to pile-on when he actually does.
not trying to pile on...
just saying that even is games that look good in the box score are akin to a boxer who tries to steal a round in the last 30 seconds. He was worthless the entire first half, then took advantage of Detroit’s sloppiness when they didn’t know what to do with a 16 point second half lead.
It's funny
How you won’t even mention the assists or getting his teammates involved tonight, as much as he could.
On another note, I found post game comments from Wallace interesting…like it wasn’t his decision to sit…hmmm
by comptoncory on Jan 21, 2012 9:04 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think he was frustrated that the docs held him out
Brandon grumbled at the same thing. I take that as a sign the docs are doing their job.
Well first time for everything
Our doc’s have not done their job…
by comptoncory on Jan 21, 2012 9:08 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I used to be one of the biggest complainers about the trainers
And I’m still cranky with them about their handling of LMA’s concussion.
But I’m not sure they get a fair shake sometimes. Sometimes injuries are about luck as much as skill.
I've always felt this about the trainers.
1. I’m the furthest thing from a trainer or medical professional, so I have no idea how they’re doing their jobs.
2. Despite my ignorance, I think some turnover is in order. If nothing else, it can’t hurt.
"I Am Mine"
The Mikes love Jay Jensen
Then again, they’re probably against staff turnover as much as the Blazers trainers are.
A few years ago.
Let’s see if I can recall this correctly.
He got his bell rung, missed a game or two, played in a game where he later admitted the lights were blurry (or something similar), then got pulled again for another game.
Let’s go track this down and see how close I was to accurate…
Here’s the story from when the concussion happened (March 2009 in Indiana, he went to the hospital).
LMA said “the lights bothered him” in Cleveland, and was not allowed to play. However, I was very disappointed in how they tested for his status, by simply getting him on the court and having him practice against the coaches. Quick does a great job of recapping it here.
He returned three days later against the Bucks and shot 4-16. In his recap, Dave commented that LMA “looked a little concussed on his shot, frankly.”
In his Behind the Locker Room report from Milwaukee, Jason Quick notes that LMA “has a headache, probably lingering from his concussion”
I swear I saw another thing about this, but can’t find it. Fans were discussing whether he still looked dazed a game or two into his return.
Obviously the fans, Dave, or Jason are not doctors, but it still left me questioning the team’s handling of the incident. Especially their handling of him before the Cleveland game, and the fact that he seemed “off” when he eventually returned.
(Fair warning, those behind the locker room posts are utterly depressing in how fun the team was back then)
I don't think the docs held him out...he was suited up.
Players don’t suit up if they are being held out by the med staff…pretty sure…
He just kept saying “no comment” to that Chris Hynes? reporter. I think it was because he had a little bit of throw up in his mouth thinking about Babbitt playing the 3.
Ok he had 9 assists...
How many of them do you actually remember saying, “wow, Felton really created something out of nothing?”
Love's rebounds seem legit
Though his enthusiasm sometimes leaves him in the way of his teammates.
That being said, I haven’t eyeballed whether there is some home cooking. The splits should give that away, but I’d be surprised if it’s crazy different.
Not saying they aren't legitimate.
But you can pad assists like every other stat. My point is that people confuse assists with running an offense. Felton sucks at running an offense and he is not ever going to be confused as someone who can.
he's not as good as dre in that regard
but he showed in NY and in his last couple years in Charlotte that he can be a serviceable tablesetter.
i keep dancing on my own.
Felton's an AAU pg
his boxscore will confuse you into thinking he is better than he is.
Yep. He can rack up decent assist numbers.
There’s rarely such a thing as “easy assists” to the level that Felton racks them up.
I'm just always surprised when Felton
has a decent assist number. But you could feel when Dre was racking them up and setting the table.
Felton is the king of "oh, I’ll pass up a very routine, open 16ft jumper so you can have an open 19ft shot. Just because someone makes that shot doesn’t make it a great play.
by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 9:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Plus there isn't a stat called "running an offense"
I understand that Felton hasn’t had a great season, I’m pretty sure we all do, but I guess I just don’t understand your vitriol against him after a game in which he had a good offensive game.
If you remove Felton and Aldridge from the lineup, the rest of the team shot 19-55.
Well...
I don’t get on here usually so my agnst represents his entire body of work. And I don’t think it is vitriolic. It’s a pretty honest assessment of who he is.
Isn’t the fact that the rest of the team shot 19-55 that Felton is doing is job as a PG?
Yes, there isn’t a “running the offense” stat. That is why I don’t understand the adamance that stats always tell the story of how someone played.
I don’t think anyone would dispute Felton’s mediocre and has been for like 7 years. Where you lose me is when you insinuate that not only is he mediocre, his mediocre numbers vastly overstate how good he is, and not only that, but also reflect decisions on his part to pad his assist stats at the expense of the team’s success.
i keep dancing on my own.
What I'm saying
1. I’m not saying he pads his stats. I do think a lot of his stats are garden variety that most NBA players can make and are not representative of running the offense. For example, getting an assist on a fastbreak is pretty basic for most NBA point guards. I’m not knocking the assists I’m just saying it doesn’t really make a team better because a replacement player could pretty much do the same thing.
2. I’m not saying his overall stats vastly overstate how good he is. He is a career 41% shooter and is shooting 36% this year. To me the stats are crummy as well as the play.
3. I don’t hink he is a me first player. I don’t think he is selfish. I just don’t think he is that good.
No one is arguing against any of those points
The only thing people are saying is that Ray Felton had a good offensive game tonight.
Thats your opinion
But I have the right to have the opinion that the point guard is evaluate on more than just a boxscore.
Granted
But just because one is evaluating a point guard on more than just a boxscore (which I believe most all of us are) does not mean that one is evaluating that point guard correctly.
—Dave
Team defense
Beyond the stats, that’s what I miss most from the Dre-to-Felton point guard transition.
Dre was pretty cement-footed as a one-on-one defender, but I liked the way he communicated on the defensive end. I don’t see the Blazers talking as much on that side of the floor this season.
Who said "stats always tell the story"?
No one.
I certainly didn’t do it and I’m not going to defend that position.
Felton had a good offensive game tonight. When he shot it, the ball went in the basket for two points. When he passed it, others shot it, and it went in for two points.
He scored or assisted on 41% of the Blazers points, despite his career stats (which DO NOT TELL THE WHOLE STORY).
pretty bad logic
As point out earlier…Blazers (san LA) went 19-55). So he only passed the makes and didn’t pass the misses? That’s “running the offense.”
Sure there were a lot of open misses (looking at you Matthews and Batum) but that might also be attributed to an offense where one person is pounding the ball until there is 12 seconds on the clock when they are in the half court set. Sometimes there is a lot of motion that isn’t geared towards anything.
Well...
it might have went in for two but it certainly didn’t go in for 3 as evidence by his 16% 3pt%. Wasn’t that the reason we dumped Miller?
We likely dumped Miller because we wanted to give a young PG a shot
And because Miller likely wasn’t re-signing.
I doubt it had much to do with his 3 point shot at all.
Why wouldn't he resign
Roy was the only reason why he wouldn’t and Roy would have been long gone. Plus, he gave no real indication he didn’t like Portland. I remember him saying he like playing with Aldridge a lot. The only really knock on him was age and 3pt shooting.
If age was the issue then why did we trade for Wallace who probably has 3 good years left max. And what exactly is the plan at center with Camby and Thomas then? Like it or not this team was/is in win now mode.
by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
I personally don't feel Andre's only friction was with Brandon
Also, I think he’d like a shot at a title before retirement.
Possible
But he seemed like a pretty loyal guy.
by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
Loyalty?
I liked Dre’s personality, but that was in part ‘cause he’s not loyal to anybody but himself.
Loyalty is for schmucks.
"I Am Mine"
Yeah, you get to be a fan of a team
And then they leave without saying goodbye
I liked Dre because he reminds me
of Richard Pryor.
He looks like him (esp with his afro) AND he sounds like him…
BET they are related.
Did you see the 3 Andre Miller made that put the game into OT last night? It was a highlight…
On the first one, I agree with you.
I doubt Dre and Nate got along—at all.
On the second one, I really believe starting is more important to him than winning. Not that there’s anything with with that.
"I Am Mine"
It's certainly possible you're right
I think we all agree that starting on a contender is his dream job.
Well he would have started here
And thats about as good of a team he would start for now.
by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, it's not like teams are hounding after old, slow PG's
Don’t get me wrong, I love Dre, but so many teams have guys like Ty Lawson, if not guys like John Wall and Kyrie Irving, that there aren’t many places he can make 8 mil bones AND start AND win.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
One club that could stand to sign Dre for ...
the MLE next season is the New York Knicks.
Iman Shumpert and Toney Douglas certainly aren’t the answer.
"I Am Mine"
Dre would be perfect for NY
I can’t think of someone better equipped to handle the egos and touches of Carmelo Anthony and Amare Stoudamire.
Yeah, good call.
He and Chandler would be epic.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Seems like they need a Sammy D type a lot more
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
They'll see a title as more important than salary
They’ll get a few takers at that price. Not sure if Andre will go for that.
I'm still not sold on John Wall
He seems to have the game of Brandon Jennings and the attitude of Gilbert Arenas.
I want Wall to be good for some reason
by hoodieNation on Jan 21, 2012 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
You just want him to teach you how to dougie
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
no doubt that guy is awesome.
he’s no Kemba Walker though.
Kemba looks like a cross between Wall and Ben Wallace.
by hoodieNation on Jan 21, 2012 10:38 PM PST up reply actions
And he's short
I love NBA players who are shorter than me, even though they usually suck.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Still, you're not going to start Dre over Wall
cuz you either need to tank or find out what you have with the young guy
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
I feel like Balzers should be the name of an expansion team in Omaha
And Glen Daivs should end up there, somehow.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Exactly
I think he would have stayed.
Besides, if you like Felton so much, then you keep Dre this year and just sign Felton in the offseason. He was going to be a backup in Denver anyway.
by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
I think he sees it as something he's earned.
He should play as a Batum type minute starter…next year for the Blazers. Then get some really good rookie point guard in the lottery..which I think the Blazers will be able to make no problem this year…given their fitness/coaching/effort/talent this year. And have Dre teach him.
Or teach Nolan Smith…
I could understand giving
young Rubio or Rhondo a ‘shot’ at the cost of Andre – I think Andre could have understood that (package deal).
But I never viewed Felton as an upgrade, and his first photos (no I wasn’t familiar with his past) were a negative shocker. “ok,ok, let him play”.
Well, so far, pretty horriffic, with a few passable episodes, like against the mighty Pistons.
Andre was effective with the Blazers, and deserved to be kept with the team. Remember LMA arranging a special award for Andre after he lost his ‘iron man’ game streak for shoving Griffin. They wanted to play together. I was embarassed for the Blazers at being the ‘pigeon’ party to a poor deal. Good luck trading Felton for Andre (and probably Faried) now – Denver picked our pocket on that deal.
It seemed so ridiculous to me then, and still does. The only reason he wouldn’t resign was that Nate wanted him gone. But Nate, who certainly has significant influnce on player decisions, couldn’t wait that long. How is that not more frustrating to our 3/4/5 players to be struggling with this backcourt. Losing Roy was a medical issue. Losing Andre, who was an anchor for our weak backcourt was wild blunder IMO.
Felton is not an upgrade from Andre
I don’t think the intent was immediate upgrade. It was to take a flyer on a player who could gel with the team. He was the best option available. I don’t think Andre was in the long-term plans, for the team or the player.
Bottom Line to All of This:
1. If Felton had games like this every night Blazer fans would be overjoyed to have him on board instead of whatever they’re feeling now. This game was not only better statistically but pretty much all of his attempts, including the missed threes, came in the flow of the offense. This is certainly better than many games we’ve seen when Felton appeared to be calling his own number and still missing.
2. He has not had games like this every night. Most have been inferior to this.
3. Since the Blazers won’t be playing a shoddy and permissive Detroit defense for 50-odd more games of the season there’s no reason to suspect that he will continue to produce like this.
Saying he didn’t have a good night—either in relation to his past performances for the Blazers, statistically, or in his affect on this game—is not accurate. But having a good night does not mean he fits this team’s needs at point guard or is performing at a good level overall this year.
—Dave
—Dave
by Dave on Jan 21, 2012 9:59 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
If we are lowering the bar
To what a good night for Felton is then yes he had an awesome night. And he helped lead the team to a loss to one of the worst teams in the league.
That low bar now includes being left completely unguarded from the perimeter forcing the paint to be clogged all night as the opposition dares you to beat them, which you can’t.
(yes, and as much as I like Aldridge, he disappeared when they inexplicably had a chance to steal a game they had no business being in…against, again…one of the worst teams in the league.)
For that, Raymond Felton, I salute you.
by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 10:10 PM PST up reply actions
The reality...
I think we are going to have to accept that outside of Aldridge this team just isn’t very talented.
I accepted that when we lost to Dallas last year... came around a bit
this year when the team teased me with that great start, but was once again convinced that there is no one that this team can give the ball to for 1 on 1.
When Wes is gonna play like garbage and Wallace is going to be a mediocre player (all road games)
then yeah, we aren’t good at all.
That being said, Wallace is superman at home. We’ll still have a nice record this year because we’ll win a ton of home game.
Overall though we’re stuck in purgatory.
I love Wallace's grit...
but the guy can’t hit a 17ft jumper to save his life. You can’t consistently win with one dimensional players.
I'm more disappointed
in Crash’s inability to finish when in the paint! How many lay ups has he choked on?
A terrible place to be.
Aldridge is talented enough to lead a team to a .500 record. The rest of the team is talented enough to keep them there.
by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 8:23 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think we're talented enough to by above .500
Possibly a 4 seed on the right season with a good mix. Just not a contender, as I totally understand you agree with.
I applaud your optimism...
I wish I could talk myself into but they don’t. Don’t let the TO numbers fool you. This is not a disciplined team. Name me a worse starting backcourt that has advanced in the playoffs in recent memory than Matthews/Felton?
What is this team? Offensive? Then they are playing 3 on 5 with Camby and Wallace out there. Are they Defensive? Then they are playing 3 on 5 with Aldridge and Felton out there (not to mention the bench).
It's definitely not optimism
I should define further. This CAN by a 4-seed team. But it would require a lot of variables to go their way:
1. The players are all healthy.
2. The team goes on at least two big hot streaks.
3. There are clear problems with the majority of the Western Conference contenders (something that could come up this season, actually).
It’s basically a max-peak if all things goes well. It means they have talent, but not enough to contend. Nonetheless enough to make a dent and be interesting, and maybe get a good matchup and sneak into the second round on a rare basis.
While they don’t look or play identically, they’re now the 80’s Blazers.
If Brandon Roy were healthy this season, this team could steal the West.
Ok I'll grant you that but...
Cant you say that about every playoff team. If “everything” breaks right they could be a top 4 seed?
Agree on Roy. But that’s the difference between having a franchise guy and not; winning the West and being someone’s first round doormat from the 7th seed.
I think you could indeed say that about a lot of playoff teams
Especially bottom-half teams. Not all bottom-half teams, some teams are lucky to be an 8-seed. But a solid playoff team? The above list could totally apply to them.
Which is exactly where I think we’re at: A solid playoff team, for whom a good season is a 5 seed, a bad season is an 8 seed, an amazing season is a 4 seed, and an awful season is a 9 or 10 seed and the lottery.
I suspect we’re not too far apart on this actually.
Pretty much the same
Though I think I am trending towards lower expectations than higher. Last years team was two games better than the 8 seed and we are not better than last years team. Dre>Felton and Roy>Crawford.
Roy wasn't a big help last season
I think LMA’s status as alpha is a huge key to the season. But in general, this team is an ensemble, and they’ll only play as well as they play as a unit
I like LA
but alpha status still questionable. He’s an allstar but the league now requires you to have a wing that can get to the basket. Dallas last year was the exception and it took a superhuman effort from Dirk. Thats where you really miss a Roy.
Roy wasnt huge
but he was still better than Crawford and without him the Dallas series isnt even competitive.
I just did
You were right all along, there is no point.
by BlazerTag on Jan 21, 2012 9:14 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Personal
I don’t think I was the one that said an entire thread that I wasn’t even part of didn’t have a point. If it doesn’t have a point then don’t comment. That’s personal?
by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
i'm so glad i'm not a mod
(and so are all of YOU!!!!!)
by hoodieNation on Jan 21, 2012 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
I want to be one for a day.
I’d ban sooooo soo many people with Hail in their name
by hoodieNation on Jan 21, 2012 10:29 PM PST up reply actions
I'd just make a new account without Hail in the name
haildablazer would be screwed, though. lol
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Ha-ha, yeah.
Does get tossed around a lot.
To me, a troll is a person who’s purposefully trying to goad a reaction out of people just for hell of it.
As it is, I can only come up with one former long-time poster who fit that definition to a T.
"I Am Mine"
He who shall remain nameless
I know who you’re talking about and he was to trolling what Picasso was to painting.
And here I was thinking AK was talking about fatty!!
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
"It was bad reffing...but not rip apart the fabric of time bad." -- The Arkitect, Game 79 Blazers versus Mavericks Post-Game Thread
by BlazersOrBust on Jan 22, 2012 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
haha
10 seconds of it and it’s stuck in your head forever
by hoodieNation on Jan 21, 2012 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
I don't disagree about LMA's alpha status being questionable btw.
But he’s all we got, and I’m ok giving him time to grow into the role. Honestly, at this point, there aren’t a lot of alternatives barring a monster trade.
Don't see a trade coming though.
Who has value outside of Batum? And what could you really get for Batum?
Hopefully
another Felton for Miller doozy.
yeah,
like a Gerald Wallace deal, where we are the ‘winner’. It does happen. Just sucks when you are the ‘slappee’, rahter than the ‘slapper’.
But, then he has to run it by Nate …..
Not a lot of confidence in Nate ‘assistant GM’.
Now maybe a GM who operates independent of Nate !
You don't deal a player like Crash and win
unless you get a draft pick that turns into Michael Jordan.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
oh, my bad, not clear
I was trying to say Blazers get another winning deal like they got with Crash, not trade Crash.
I am not on the blowup bandwagon..
Thanks for allowing me to clarify.
I probably would have gotten it if I had read the whole thread
I’m in the habit of making uninformed, useless comments.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Wallace has value
I would trade Wallace ONLY if we made the team better!
by Idahoblazerfan on Jan 21, 2012 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
4 seed?
this would mean only 3 teams in the western conference are better than us. i think that’s a stretch
okc / denver / dallas – definitely better
to get to 4 we’d have to be better than
san antonio, the lakers & memphis. i’d say those teams are all a bit better as well.
i’d put the blazers in the 6 to 8 seed group along with the clips.
I don't believe that denver and dallas are definitely better than us
It’s crazy how low we get when we lose a few games, pending Felton this is still a better team than last year, and I’ll argue that point with anyone
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jan 22, 2012 12:45 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
this
You’d think people would remember our ugly losses from last season too. The season we made 48 wins and the 6th seed with half the roster on stretchers.
Do people really believe we lost to the Detroit Pistons because of lack of talent?
We’re top 6 seed again this year and possibly top 4 if some things actually go right.
Thank God
some sense.
Johnson, Johnson, Smith, Smith, Thomas, Williams, and Babbitt: the Blazer's law firm.
I think with Oden healthy and Aldridge getting reasonable minutes... less than 39,
I think that this team could compete with the Pistons.
I'm not sure it would be much fun to watch Oden play if he returns,
because of fear he’d get hurt.
ignacio
Oh yes, give him a chance, see what happens.
I’m just saying I anticipate a certain level of anxiety while he plays. But i wish him well.
ignacio
giving him a chance
would likely require resigning him which would be considered, i hope, insane by management at this point.
As opposed to now?
I have a certain level of anxiety every time the Blazers step onto the hardwood. Not injury fear, more wondering which squad is going to show up and whether we can beat a weak team like Detroit…
I feel like the Blazers adopted the SF Giants slogan from the 2010 season. “Torture!”
"A terrible place to be."
Exactly, it’s the worst place to be in the NBA.
In MLB, being above average is fine. Get to the playoffs and it’s a crapshoot from there.
In the NFL, being above average isn’t great; however, it’s easier to go from above average to great in the NFL than it is in the NBA.
"I Am Mine"
The future looks bleak for the Blazers
The NW Division is looking very strong and most of the teams in it have a young core.
The days of the Blazers being young and promising are over. I think they’ll be staring up at mediocre in no time.
it depends on the contract situation
if you’re average but not laden with long term expensive contracts, you have a shot. if you’re middle of the pack, over the cap and stuck that way for a couple seasons then yes that’s the worst place to be.
the blazers have the option to not put themselves in this situation. they currently have no bad contracts.
Even without any bad contracts, the Trail Blazers still have no upward mobility right now.
Unless Dwight Howard walks through that door, free agency will just be shuffling chairs on a wayward ship. Since Howard isn’t coming here, Portland is stuck between a rock and a hard place.
"I Am Mine"
I think Batum is talented also.
Camby is talented but in his twilight NBA years.
Yep…that’s about it.
I think Wallace is a strong player in the open court. Not sure on his talent. Not that much of an expert on what he does.
Matthews is a bench player and wish that he was coming off the bench. If he takes one more 3pt shot with 18 seconds on the shot clock….he puts no pressure on his defender…he lets point guards..shooting guards etc run right by him…he needs to work in a SYSTEM and come off the bench.
Agreed...
Miller is far better than Felton and Roy is far better than Crawford. So I’m not sure why we thought this was going to be a better team. It’s not.
With Miller and when Roy was out out last year the team was 21-7 I think the addition of Crawford
Has hurt because Nic can play the 2 behind Mathews. Nate should never be calling for 2 plays in a row to Craig Smith. Those should be called for LA and Smith should be rebounding not the other way around.
by TheOdenator52 on Jan 21, 2012 8:31 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Agree on Craig Smith
I don’t understand the man crushes everyone has. I like the energy. But he is a black hole. Teams are figuring out that for some unfathomable reason he has an automatic green light. Dribbling around for 8 seconds in the lane while everyone else watches and hoisting up a shot is why he has bumped around the league is entire career. I like him but I fear this is the latest case of irrational Blazer fan love.
The blazers really don't care who shoots the ball, they just pray that who ever chucks it,
the ball will brush the net gracefully and fall through. Yet, I haven’t really seen much of that, mostly some clanks here and there and a few more hitting a fan in the third row because Crawford chucked it too hard.
However, he's been purdy decent for a) playing for the Blazer's bench, b) playing in the Blazer's front court, and c) playing on a minimum deal
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
yeah for a min contract player he's freaking awesome.
I will never complain about him.
by hoodieNation on Jan 21, 2012 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
I'm still holding out hope that he joined two seasons too early
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Oh, did I mention the complete rebuild in between?
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
How do the Blazers rebuild next season?
They don’t have a high draft pick and they don’t have a reason to trade Aldridge. I understand the “why”, just not the “how”.
Just trade all of our players for LeBron James and Dwight Howard
Problem solved.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
If they rebuild, it's a multi-season process
There is no real rebuild that could be completed next season unless they got really lucky and pulled a huge steal of a player expected to go elsewhere.
Or if Nic Batum signs for $5.5 mil per year and becomes the swingman version of Kyle Lowry
AND Felton resigns for a reasonable sum and become Chauncey Billups 2.0, AND Greg Oden comes back as a 7’ 1" Ben Wallace.
Of course, that’s not a rebuild. But we might be ok if those things happened.
Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!
Win the Deron Williams lottery
Cross your fingers that Oden stays healthy. Re-sign either Batum or Gerald Wallace.
Yeesh. That’s an off season plan based on a hope and a prayer.
Black hole?
See Jamal Crawford before ever mentioning Craig Smith.
this
Craig is shooting about 60% on a team that has trouble getting to 40%. That completely disqualifies him from black hole status.
LOL
It was in the default position. I didn’t notice that it hadn’t updated to the new game. Fixed now.
—Dave
Wow... Crawford is shoot 34.2% for FG's... 29.8% for 3... Felton is shooting woes I guess are just as bad
Surprised?
Felton is not in a slump. He is not a good shooter. Period. He is a career 41% shooter. Why do people think differently?
He's been better in recent seasons
Started slow – worked it up – regressing hard this season.
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Jan 21, 2012 8:38 PM PST up reply actions
That's debatable...
He had one good season his entire stay with the Bobcats. Then he had a very hot start with the Knicks before cooling way off before the trade. There’s a reason why they keeps stats. Over a seven year career, you are who you are.
Nothing debatable about it
Felton’s FG% in sequence:
.391
.384
.413
.408
.459
.425
.423
.431
.364
Felton hasn’t shot his career average in YEARS….this is his worst season ever, so far
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Jan 22, 2012 2:12 AM PST up reply actions
Going forward
Can anyone tell me how our search for our new GM is going, its pretty obvious we need to get looking very soon!
why?
our current gm, whoever that is, has done a reasonable job. we signed wesley matthews to a very reasonable deal as well as kurt thomas, craig smith & jamal crawford.
they felton trade was bad but both players were on one year deals so it’s hardly armageddon.
i think our whoever is gm has done an admirable job. it’s certainly better than the mgmt we saw under kevin pritchard.
Dave : This is become a sympton every year of the Blazers playing down to their opponents.
When does it become a leadership problem on the court and when/or is it a coaching problem? I do not like seeing the players be jocular together at the free throw line down late in games or at anytime during the game unless they are up by 20 with 2 minutes left. There doesn’t seem to be a sense of urgency until 4 minutes in the 4th shown by their amazing trapping defense which should be inserted every quarter at various intervals.
This.
Wesley is a good player but he’s looking more like a bench player at this point…perhaps more useful in targeted minutes to take advantage of his particular skills.
Matthews and Batum need to switch roles. Matthews off the bench can bring the hustle and spark that unit is lacking, and Batum is better suited to the uptempo starters than the half-court bench.
The Felton, Batum, Wallace, Aldridge, Camby lineup has seen very little run this season, and I think it’s worth a look.
Doers & Makers > Movers & Shakers
by Adam Randall on Jan 21, 2012 8:46 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
If We$ could get himself some handles and court vison,
we could swap him in for Smelly Felly at the 1 and that would be the best starting 5 defensively in the league
…in theory.
I don't always root for an NBA franchise, but when I do, I prefer the Portland Trail Blazers.
by Oh. Em. Gee. on Jan 21, 2012 8:50 PM PST up reply actions
off to Walmart with him
hopefully there’s a sale on court vision and handles. He should pick up some distance shooting for the rest of the guards while he’s shopping
by poorwebguy on Jan 21, 2012 11:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not a "blow it up" guy but...
…I also don’t want to watch this poor of quality play.
Is there a cap/salary type that can tell me how many actual contracts we have on the books next year?
With Brandon gone, and the dream of the big three gone with him, I’d be alright with starting over next year with LMA, Wes & Nic. I’m losing my emotional attachment to any of the rest of the team so it might be the time to switch things up and start over again.
What are our options?
#7... GO BLAZERS!!!
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/portland.htm
by TheOdenator52 on Jan 21, 2012 8:51 PM PST up reply actions
that is not a clickable link.
just fyi.
I don't always root for an NBA franchise, but when I do, I prefer the Portland Trail Blazers.
by Oh. Em. Gee. on Jan 21, 2012 8:52 PM PST up reply actions
I was going to send everyone to Storyteller's site
But his contract links are broken! Uh-oh, he must be busy.
Yeah was trying to but can't remember how to add link since Timmay has taken links away from me
by TheOdenator52 on Jan 21, 2012 8:55 PM PST up reply actions
haha, really? mods can do that?
I don't always root for an NBA franchise, but when I do, I prefer the Portland Trail Blazers.
by Oh. Em. Gee. on Jan 21, 2012 8:59 PM PST up reply actions
Actually, no :)
It didn’t link because it’s in the subject line. You can’t link anything in the subject line. Gotta put it in the body.
i figured that's what it was.
but i wouldn’t put it past you crafty mods for relinquishing certain abilities based on our poor usage of them.
i.e. the linked rick-roll incident a few GDTs back…haha.
I don't always root for an NBA franchise, but when I do, I prefer the Portland Trail Blazers.
by Oh. Em. Gee. on Jan 21, 2012 9:04 PM PST up reply actions
done and done.
Bad words on BEdge? You’ll get disemvoweled!
Thn y tp lk ths.
I don't always root for an NBA franchise, but when I do, I prefer the Portland Trail Blazers.
by Oh. Em. Gee. on Jan 21, 2012 9:09 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks...
So since Brandon really doesn’t count and it’s likely Crawford will want more we really have some flexibility…right? And beyond that we’re free and clear even if him and Gerald exercise their options.
I hope something happens and these guys come together but right now they’re just no fun to watch.
#7... GO BLAZERS!!!
I am fearful to give up Nic... watching what happened to Jermain wouldn't be a fun thing to see again.
Wes is good, but a role player at best, until proven other wise. I am tired of his poor mechanics and streaky shooting. Yet, as I right this… did anyone know that Kobe was going to what he is today when he was the league for three years? Granted Kobe was scoring 19.4 ppg, he wasn’t quite the player that we saw later on.
Basically if we renounce everyone and Wallace opts out the Blazers have Aldrige, Mathews, Babbitt
Williams and Smith. The Blazers could have more than 30 mil in cap space. Only problem is free agents do not see Portland as a place to come to even being the headquarters of Nike.
by TheOdenator52 on Jan 21, 2012 8:58 PM PST up reply actions
And what are we doing with that money? No unrestricted worth a damn is coming here.
You wanna offer max deals to restricted guys like Brook Lopez and DJ Augustin? That team isn’t any better than just re-signing Wallace, Batum, and Felton
nothing says you have to use your capspace the first year you have it
i wouldn’t sign the guys you mention either. i’d target kevin love, if he doesn’t get an extension, and if you can’t get him, push it forward another year.
you might end up in the lottery, get a great pick and have the room to sign 2 max players. it’s not doom & gloom for the blazers right now. it’s going to take some years but if they manage things well, they have a shot. they have one star quality players, that’s the hardest thing to find.
Paul Allen isn't going to run out a team of:
C: Random off the street guy on a 1 yr deal
PF: Aldridge
SF: Batum
SG: Wes
PG: Nolan Smith
No bench
You are right, we probably should do that, cause we’d land a Top 10 pick and carry cap space forward. I just don’t see it happening under Allen.
This is why I back getting as much as cap space as possible.
Just because we have cap space this year, doesn’t mean you blow it all this year a la Pistons several years ago. You roll it over, absorb some contracts for 1st round picks, and stockpile assets.
Given the harsher luxury tax penalties coming up in few years, I suspect teams will be even more willing to give up picks to get under the penalty line.
And if we luck out and get a Deron Williams, then even better.
The cake was a lie.
So don't click the link icon just paste...
by TheOdenator52 on Jan 21, 2012 9:03 PM PST up reply actions
haha no this one's clickable.
good work!
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by Oh. Em. Gee. on Jan 21, 2012 9:05 PM PST up reply actions
Wallace for Okafor. Call now, Okafor suits up on Monday night.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jan 21, 2012 8:50 PM PST reply actions
No, Wallace for Okafor. Then call Phoenix and see if Nash wants to play on a playoff team again.
If so talk Phoenix into letting him go (for Nash’s sake) for Felton, Wllliams, Claver, $3M and Johnson (to match salaries). Talk Nash into playing next year as part of the deal.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jan 21, 2012 8:57 PM PST up reply actions
That's way too much for Nash, who will bolt for a contender next season.
Wallace’s value may fluctuate based on his play on the road from here.
It would have to be an extend and trade, but it's still too much. Wallace has to go to NO.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jan 21, 2012 9:01 PM PST up reply actions
I'd do this
Phoenix Gets: Camby, Felton, Matthews, E. Williams
Portland Gets: Nash, Gortat, Childress.
Obviously, some people will say this is giving up too much, but Gortat is pretty much beasting at Center right now. Also, think of it this way, if Nash walks after this season, it will have essentially been this trade: Matthews & E. Williams for Gortat & Childress. Personally, I would do that trade, even though it remains to be seen if Williams is going to be a solid player in this league.
Plus, I think that on a one or two year basis, a lineup of Nash, Batum, Wallace, Aldridge, Gortat could much more seriously contend with the top teams in the west. I think Nash’s game could really open things up for Aldridge, and I think he’d find more ways to get guys like Batum and Wallace into situations they can thrive at offensively (And with Nash’s dribble-happy style, Batum wouldn’t be put in a lot of situations that might expose his handles at the 2 offensively). Also, since Aldridge has proven he’s not going to rebound night in and night out, Gortat can pretty much get you close to 10 a night guaranteed when given starter minutes, so this would replace the production lost by trading away Camby, and be a considerable upgrade offensively.
IN OKC, at that.
boom, haters.
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by Oh. Em. Gee. on Jan 21, 2012 8:59 PM PST up reply actions
What happened to him now? He must have one jacked up finger... btw, has anyone heard any
more about the wallace fingergate drame?
fingergate!
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by Oh. Em. Gee. on Jan 21, 2012 9:06 PM PST up reply actions
Wallace seemed frustrated in the interview after the game. Wanted to play.
I think Nate or the trainers held him out so he wouldn’t do further damage. When did we get new trainers?
by TheOdenator52 on Jan 21, 2012 9:06 PM PST up reply actions
If the trainers keep a player out for good reason, despite their insistence to play, it may be smart.
Maybe they are trading him
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jan 21, 2012 9:09 PM PST up reply actions
He must have hurt his finger flipping off Crawford for making
horrible plays and chucking the ball up so much
I applaud Feltons play actually, after the team meeting he's seem to have
picked up his game, it seems that everyone else is on vacations.
Gentleman, without jumping to conclusions willynilly,
let’s just agree his finger was hurt during something headband-related. I mean, it’s the most logical possibility. No need to speculate.
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by Oh. Em. Gee. on Jan 21, 2012 9:12 PM PST up reply actions
Or mouth guard rlated? Possible trying to pull it off that horrendous shirt that looked phalic?
by TheOdenator52 on Jan 21, 2012 9:15 PM PST up reply actions
i’m not sure i remember a phalic shirt.
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by Oh. Em. Gee. on Jan 21, 2012 9:23 PM PST up reply actions
ah, yes.
objective vs. subjective, i guess.
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by Oh. Em. Gee. on Jan 21, 2012 11:00 PM PST up reply actions
can't really call that a back to back
since okc was also on a back to back.
uhm didnt okc
lose to washington on the road too…… remember last year when we lost like three games on the road against terrible east teams and we still finished fine.. long road trip they dont wanna be there they lose that simple they will come back from it to good not too
Finished fine?
Two games above the 8 seed and a first round exit?
yeah
it’s not gonna take too many losses between the 5th and 9th seeds. Just because other teams take bad losses doesn’t mean the Blazers can afford to. Also, this is coming on the heels of a pretty bad effort in Atlanta.
i keep dancing on my own.
Yeah this game may be one they regret later this season
I think "may: could even be an underestimation of the importance of this loss. Hate to be all defeatist, but they need these games.
yes okc lost to washington
they are also 7 and 2 on the road and 13 and 3 overall. that’s a bit different than where the blazers sit. the blazers are clearly a home court phenomena. we use the advantage of portland well but we aren’t a good team.
Shooting threes is a privilege
not a right. Coach should ban the three-point shot until this team has shown that it can handle the responsibility (by establishing a big lead).
"I'm not trying to brag or anything, but I'm exciting."
- Jamal Crawford
For real.
Then again, only way to know they’re falling or not is to take one or two.
I say JCraw doesn’t get to take ANY. Let We$ and Nico hike a few up just to test the waters. If they’re not falling, well, pass it back to LA.
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by Oh. Em. Gee. on Jan 21, 2012 9:25 PM PST up reply actions
Banning long-range shooting is one of the most absurd things I've read on here in a long time.
It’s not 1947.
"I Am Mine"
mid range jumpers build character
i keep dancing on my own.
by atomiccafe on Jan 21, 2012 11:15 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Turrible character, depending on who you ask
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The NW Division cellar is staring the Blazers in the face.
They used to be able to count on a series sweep of Minnesota every year. Not sure if they can pull it off this season.
So last night...
In the preview thread I JOKINGLY suggested The Blazer throw this game just to make Detroit fans feel better.
Sorry.
How was I to know The Blazers would take me seriously?
I think this loss is on me.
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
But the banhammer was avoided, so all is well
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GAHHHHH! It's all your fault!
But I forgive you ;)
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yeah, the 'nice guy' problem continues,
despite the team meeting.
Maybe Rasheed can break the spell.
Glad Batum proved
what he could do with more minutes.
This team is soooooo bad that Monta Ellis could actually improve the roster
That’s like being so fat that fried chicken is an improvement over your usual diet of rendered lard and high fructose corn syrup.
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PG/SG/C
We’re covered at every other position, and have nothing but Wesley “I’m a 3’s and D specialist who doesn’t always hit 3’s or play D” Matthews to hold down the rest.
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Nah, you don't need a PF when you have a PET RHINO!
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Might as well. He wouldn't be any worse than Chuckford
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Chuckford? I know a Crawful, are we talking about the same person? Well perhaps we
are, I agree that anyone except for babitt could be better
League's worst players
1. Luke Babbitt
2. Travesty Outlaw
3. Jamal Crawful-Chuckford
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That's not accurate
At least two of the league’s worst players are Luke Babbitt.
—Dave
by Dave on Jan 21, 2012 10:05 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Dang, I forget about that.
*Disclaimer: my lists are always incomplete, incorrect, and entirely subjective.
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what luck that the Blazers have all been graced with this list's presence.
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by Oh. Em. Gee. on Jan 21, 2012 11:01 PM PST up reply actions
Hasheem Thabeet has to make the list
Couple of games ago the Rocket’s back-up C has the flu and they’re not sure if he’ll be able to play. So naturally they make Thabeet inactive.
Thabeet has a NBA skill in his shot blocking
Granted, that’s all he can do, and he fouls like crazy, but still. The other 3 don’t even have that.
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Guys I WANT on next year's roster
LMA, Wallace, Rhino, Crazy Eyes
Guys I think we can get something for: Nic and Wes
Guys who I would give up for nothing: Everybody else
I cannot remember a Blazers team from which I only wanted 4 guys to come back next season (although, admittedly, I didn’t start following until right after the JailBlazers ended)
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Camby.
Dude’s got the craziest eyes this side of…something with crazier eyes elsewhere.
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by Oh. Em. Gee. on Jan 21, 2012 11:03 PM PST up reply actions
Whose crazy eyes?
OSU '06
GForce Crash Wallace FTW!
by TyboOSU on Jan 21, 2012 10:32 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
AKA Big Sexy
I have no idea where that one came from.
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they're CRAZY sexy.
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by Oh. Em. Gee. on Jan 21, 2012 11:03 PM PST up reply actions
lol, and how did we lose to the Pistons?
i’m glad I ended up being busy and only watched the 1 quarter smh
clutch turnovers are an underrated skill
by hoodieNation on Jan 21, 2012 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
Forsooth
(hoodie goes to dictionary.com to look up “forsooth”)
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pshhhhhh
like I didn’t know what that means already :)
by hoodieNation on Jan 21, 2012 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
If you actually knew what it meant, you're like my new best friend
or hang out with a lot of stupid people, one of the two.
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haha
I don’t hang out with stupid people… stupid people hand out with me! o wait
by hoodieNation on Jan 21, 2012 10:31 PM PST up reply actions
The Blazers new high powered running game is producing 1.3 more fast break points than last year.
We are averaging 11.5 fast break points per game this year (8 tonight) which is #20 in the league. Last year we averaged 10.2 fast break points, #29 in the league.
One problem - we are giving up 4.6 more fast break points than last year. So our new running offenses/defense style has produced a net loss of 3.3 fast break points per game compared to last year.
Is that progress???
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jan 21, 2012 10:20 PM PST reply actions
I'm ok if we're not a high paced team, if it leads to wins.
That being said, it looks a lot like the players hit the early season wall on this trip.
I hate watching a team with a bad running game play a running game.
But was it really our objective to give up 3.3 more fast break points to the opponents than we gained ourselves by playing a faster pace?
I sorta doubt it.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jan 21, 2012 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
just looking at fast break points
is not a good way to judge if pace has improved the blazers.
that said, pace has not improved the blazers.
Yeah, points per 100 possessions is the way to measure offensive efficiency absent of pace.
"I Am Mine"
And that isn't sufficient because your style can make opponents more or less efficient too.
In the end, the only spec that has meaning all by itself is wins and losses. Every other spec is subject to tradeoffs, interpretation, speculation, etc.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jan 22, 2012 5:03 PM PST up reply actions
If your new “fast paced” style results in giving up 3.3 more fast break points than you gain, it is then worth asking what are you getting in compensation for those points.
As I said, “is that progress?”
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jan 22, 2012 4:52 PM PST up reply actions
Paul should have his bionic knee replacements ready by then.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jan 21, 2012 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
Are robotics in the same category as PEDs?
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i'm not sure there's a pill to fix a crap knee.
by hoodieNation on Jan 21, 2012 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
use your weird word knowing mind and find out
by hoodieNation on Jan 21, 2012 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
Only works with weird vocab
Useful information does not compute.
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you can be my pill guy
and if you’re good you can replace Idoltime as my guns supplier too
by hoodieNation on Jan 21, 2012 10:36 PM PST up reply actions
I feel like I could make a decent living selling codine and M4's
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If you like ISO plays to Craig Smith there were 3 in a row in the 4th around the 8 minute mark.
Might bring back memories.
by TheOdenator52 on Jan 21, 2012 10:31 PM PST up reply actions
1) Stand under hoop 2) Pump fake 3) Lay up
60% of the time, it works every time
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I think it's more like
1)dribble once 2) slam into defender 3) lay up off backboard
by hoodieNation on Jan 21, 2012 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
whatever, quit being such a jive turkey
by hoodieNation on Jan 21, 2012 10:49 PM PST up reply actions
that's an adorable exchange you guys just shared.
how lovely for you two!
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by Oh. Em. Gee. on Jan 21, 2012 11:07 PM PST up reply actions
That guy gets more bounces than our whole team.
He must put magical spin on it.
Demolished by Rodney Stuckey
Put it on a poster and hang it up in the Blazers’ locker lol. We let another horrible team hang around until they saw an opportunity to cash in on a rare win in front of their home crowd.
At least it wasn’t as bad as the Phoenix game. I’m not looking forward to this b2b2b. Terrible basketball all over the league. Condensing games to fit into a shorter season isn’t looking like a great idea so far.
Also, looks like we’re a terrible road team. I hope we can keep the wins flowing at home because that’s what it will take this season.
Getting killed by Stuckey and Prince doesn't really bother me
They’re both good players in bad situation. The fact that we couldn’t rise to the challenge, then almost rose to the challenge, then…whoops! Felton turned the ball over, AGAIN! would bother me if I were on the team.
But I’m not, so my competitiveness isn’t a factor. I just hope they start playing some basketball that I actually want to watch.
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I hope they're all on the plane being mean to each other
I’d hate for them to need another team meeting.
Uh, no.
Actually, I leave all the time. I just check back frequently. It’s not like I just sit on BE all day.
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And it's the weekend, so I have nothing better to do
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to wrap the above discussion
Today’s game had 86 possessions, that’s in line with Nate teams of old.
i keep dancing on my own.
wow
Back to back away games – we will most likely lose them (no matter who we play) – no specific player to blame…
The tensions are so high because the stakes are so low!
by tylercomp on Jan 21, 2012 11:01 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Rudy Fernandez just retweeted
something saying that #blueandyellow just won 4 out of 5 games of their road trip. blech.
WHY AM I STILL FOLLOWING @rudy5fernandez?
I don't always root for an NBA franchise, but when I do, I prefer the Portland Trail Blazers.
having said that,
search “luke babbitt” on twitter and see what people are saying about him. hahaha, oh man.
I don't always root for an NBA franchise, but when I do, I prefer the Portland Trail Blazers.
by Oh. Em. Gee. on Jan 21, 2012 11:58 PM PST up reply actions
Things i learned tonight
1. L.A. is still good, but needs to rebound more
2. our guards make me want to cry
3. If felton can always play like that i’ll be happy
4. Wallace is the heart and sole of this team
5. Batum is not a franchise player. good 3rd or 4th option but thats his ceiling.
Wallace the heart and soul of this team - but Batum's ceiling is 3rd or 4th option?
Guards want to make you cry, but if Felton (guard) plays like that he will be happy?
I think cause, effect, and role are difficult concepts to reconcile with professional basketball players.
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Jan 22, 2012 4:51 AM PST up reply actions
Sad thing is this was suposed to be a team for Nate liking.
At this point probably not only LA but also Nate would like to have Miller and Rudy back.
Nate may want their performance
But he doesn’t want them…
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
by blacknoiseNW on Jan 22, 2012 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
from my understanding,
the team has had no practices since dec 31.
maybe we can blame some of these losses on that?
PHILLY!
I agree
The no Practices thing isn’t working. I understand the rest concept. However, we have a lot to work on.
Felton can cut as well as spot up after passing LMA the Ball. This commits his man to guarding him and also creates opportunities to rub off weakside doubles coming over. And, he may actually be open on a cut. It also creates movement and opportunities from rotation.
Pick and roll and Pick and pop should also be emphasized IMO.
I think resting is focusing on tired too much. Not calling for all out practice. Just not the days off that seem to leave us flat in games
Trust and look for each other
by Hermistonmelons on Jan 22, 2012 9:13 AM PST up reply actions
What's the big deal...
Mediocrity is where the comfort zone’s been at for this franchise for a long time now. Yes they got out to a quick start – but now they’ve settled back into where they feel most comfortable.
Be happy for a likable team. Spend some time and money watching them until they’re finally squeezed out of the 2nd round and then have a nice summer.
Wash, rinse, repeat. :D
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.
Did anyone throw chairs and gatorade Buckets after last nights loss?
I think part of the issue is this group is too happy with itself
Trust and look for each other
by Hermistonmelons on Jan 22, 2012 9:14 AM PST reply actions
I don't know, but let's hurry up and get to rock bottom, already.
Something must break.
I don’t think we’re playing anywhere near our potential. We are currently less than the sum of our parts. I’m pretty sure we’ll be better in the second half of the season — Nate appears to move slowly, as if he has to be sure that things aren’t working before he can make a change. “This should be working. This should be working.” Maybe we’ll play our way into shape, too.
what about coaching? Does any of the way these players are playing have to do with
coaching?! It seems like it must.
I really would like your opinion on this.
one good thing
this is going to be a good draft class, so best not to finish too high in the standings. We aren’t going anywhere without Oden- and that is up to the whim of the basketball gods.
We are one key injury away from heading to the root cellar, which I am becoming more and more favorable to this year.
I'm never in favor of the cellar.
But at this point, I’m not willing to trade anything more than the Reno boys ,EW and the Rhino. Rhino looks good, against bad teams. He’s big, I give him that. Still a loss, and it will take the same production against the Bulls, to convince me he is the best back up to LA in the playoffs.
Agree 100 % on a good draft glass for BIGS in June. No way would I part with Wes$ or Nico right now. This lockout season has everyone with tired legs. Injuries will happen.
Go Blazers !!
just win baby !
We might lose some guys for a couple consistent shooters real soon
The offense hums along when someone is hitting from the perimeter. We look like crap when the defense is packed in and we still need to force the ball into LMA to try and salvage some offense. No mistake though…had LMA been getting calls we would have beat Detroit.
Basically our guards are failing epically. Kurt, Craig, LMA, Camby…all doing a pretty solid job. We$, Jamal and Ray not getting the job done consistently enough. Same with Crash and Nico too lately.
Swap some guys for someone that can shoot and suddenly we’re a pretty decent team. Suddenly Aldridge becomes near unstoppable against 24 out of 30 teams.
I think Batum has has some decent games...then only played 9 minutes in the glass eye game..
then played 42 minutes..
He needs a consistent role.
Love all the skapegoatin' on Felton...
when Batum gets dunked on by Rodney Stuckey…
and coughs up 1 for 7 from 3.
I don’t know why I read these comments, anymore…
Matthews was guarding Stuckey for most of the game...
Perhaps Batum was expending energy on defense..which is more than Matthews can say.
IMO this loss has to go on Wes or Nic...I also don't understand the hate/blame on Felton
This and the Raptor game were Felton’s best outings so far this year. While Brandon Knight had a solid game against Felton, our SG’s made Stuckey look like Dwade and both of them missed multiple wide open threes…Wes also added in a sprinkling of driving into the teeth of the defense…..1 on 3…..out of control….and turing the ball over so I think Wes deserves the most culpabilty for the L.
4 rebounds for Aldridge is a glaring stat.
I’ll go ahead and just be embarrassed for him. I don’t think he was covering the perimeter anymore than Batum was, who managed 9. You just have to want it more than that.
by heybabydrinkyourmilk on Jan 22, 2012 5:00 PM PST via mobile reply actions
it was terrible
the only thing I can think of is he tends to be really careful now once he’s in foul trouble. Other than that 4 rebounds is ridiculously low even for him.
so why would a team give up a really good PG in this league for those two players?
To get an upgrade at PG your going to have to give wallace or more likely batum.
Miami lost to the Bucks at home tonight
This season is really going to be a steaming pile

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