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Game 16 Recap: Portland Trail Blazers 91, Detroit Pistons 94

In a Nutshell

On a night when the Pistons want to play slow and ugly the Blazers oblige them on both accounts with an emphasis on the "ugly". The Blazers fail to score on the break, don't score enough inside, allow the Piston guards to run rampant, and absolutely terrorize everybody's eyeballs from the three-point arc. Despite this they remain in a single-possession game down to the wire but can't convert the tying shot.

Game Flow

The Blazers started out this game in a hole, absent starting small forward Gerald Wallace who jammed a finger a couple games ago and couldn't go tonight. The Pistons, on the other hand, started out in their usual hole of not being able to score 90 points. Detroit showed their defensive intentions early, packing the lane often against LaMarcus Aldridge and taking their licks from Portland's shooters. The Pistons don't have great defenders so Aldridge was able to score anyway. The Blazer marksmen were not. They bricked shot after shot. At worst this should have left the teams even. Sadly the Blazers also announced their defensive intentions early: don't get back, wave and foul rather than moving feet, and either give too much help or none at all. Portland defenders curiously doubled Ben Wallace 10 feet from the hoop, for instance, but failed repeatedly to rotate to an ultra-aggressive Rodney Stuckey has he drove the lane for multiple conversions. Three things went right for the Blazers in the first quarter in addition to Aldridge scoring: Nicolas Batum also went hard to the hoop, Craig Smith showed all of his energy and inside scoring late in the period, and offensive rebounds came aplenty. The perspective here is that those three things really should have been eight given the opponent. Portland led 27-26 after one.

The second period began with Portland's bench mired in a huge scoring drought...a trend which the starters continued as they were re-inserted into the game. Portland played slowly, against the clock all quarter long. They ended up with long jumpers and a ton of shots one-on-one. This played right into Detroit's hands. They'd rebound the ball, run it down, and attack the rim. Portland's defense was horrible. There's no other word for it. On the occasions when the Blazers did commit to stopping the drive they had to use multiple men. This left Detroit's shooters open and Portland failed to rotate back out, looking as slow in this department as in every other. Add everything in this paragraph together and you have the Blazers shooting deep versus Detroit shooting deep. The Pistons are going to win that battle every time. Under these circumstances the drives and free throws the Pistons did convert became back-breakers instead of annoyances. Portland scored 16 in the frame, Detroit 28. The Pistons led 54-43 at the half. Keep in mind that Detroit never breaks 100 in a game, seldom crossing the 90-point barrier. Giving up 54 in a single half to them is like giving up 65 to a normal team.

The Blazers came out of the locker room committed to getting the ball inside on offense. They succeeded admirably. Unfortunately they couldn't close the lead because the Pistons remained on fire from three-point range. Despite 3 layups and a three falling in the first 6 minutes of the period Detroit's lead remained at a dozen. Then the Blazers got serious. For the final six minutes they kept men on shooters, stopped drives before they began, forced turnovers, and rebounded the ball...the hallmarks of good Blazer basketball. Continuing the offensive aggression they cut the lead to 3 with a minute left in the third before a couple of Detroit free throws made it 5 at the end of the period. Detroit 73-68 heading into the fourth.

Portland's offensive momentum fizzled in the final period, which would eventually see both teams shooting around 30% from the field. Turnovers, rebounding, and layups kept them plowing forward despite every other conceivable shot missing. The Pistons would generate their points from the foul line (Portland's defense still a half-step late) and a couple offensive rebounds...hard time. Anything pretty would have won this game but nothing came. The result was a 4-point Piston lead with 1:42 to play. The Blazers amped up the hand-work, forcing turnovers like crazy, but the Blazers would also miss 20+ foot shots on three consecutive possessions, able to score only when fouled on a drive. Free throws made the deficit 3 with 37 seconds left and the Blazers forced the Pistons to miss. Portland burned their last timeout with 15 seconds remaining but couldn't get a three off, settling for a layup to pull within 1. They fouled for possession but Rodney Stuckey converted 2 free throws . The Pistons took advantage of Portland not being able to advance the ball via timeout by fouling Raymond Felton before he got near the halfcourt line. Felton made his two free throws and the Blazers fouled Stuckey again. He converted again to complete his 28-point evening. Portland had one last chance but Felton dribbled the ball off the foot of a running Piston player as he crossed halfcourt and Detroit recovered the ball. The Blazers lose 94-91.

Take-Away Points

Yes, the Blazers looked tired but they can't just fall apart in their basic mechanics when they're fatigued. Tired is one thing, awful is another. The Blazers simply played awfully tonight in every department save rebounding and the occasional inside attack. Granted they knew they could turn it on against this opponent and still earn a chance to win but you can't leave game like this to chance. It doesn't look like it on the scoreboard, but save that Phoenix debacle this may have been Portland's worst game of the year collectively against an opponent they should have handled easily.

Individual Notes

LaMarcus Aldridge again feasted on poor defense whenever he could, scoring 25 on 9-17 shooting. He was stuck defending perimeter players most of the night so he had little chance to re-create his monster rebounding game in Toronto. Still, 4 total rebounds with but 2 defensive might be a bit shy. But you also have to factor in that LaMarcus could have scored 40 tonight had any teammates hit an outside shot to loosen the defense against him.

Nicolas Batum had 9 rebounds and was the guy the Blazers depended upon to put out the flames when the Pistons were going crazy with drives. That's the good news. The bad is that he went 5-15 from the field in 42 minutes with a 1-7 rate from the three-point arc. They were decent looks too. 14 points.

Marcus Camby was a prime example of the step-slow phenomenon. He had a quiet game in all respects with 6 rebounds, 5 personal fouls, and 2 points in 26 minutes.

Raymond Felton had another good game offensively, scoring plenty without gumming up the flow. He went 6-9 from the field and all 3 misses were threes. He also went 7-8 from the foul line, leading to 20 points total. He had 9 assists as well.

Wesley Matthews had 6 rebounds but shot only 3-10 from the floor, 1-5 from the arc, and his defense wasn't as sharp as usual. 8 points in 36 minutes. Yes, the Blazers are going through Aldridge plenty and yes, other people use possessions and shots, but at some point we're going to have to start wishing that the Blazers had a stronger option at starting shooting guard. Wesley is a good player but he's looking more like a bench player at this point...perhaps more useful in targeted minutes to take advantage of his particular skills.

Jamal Crawford went 4-13 tonight. He's apparently lost one of the lenses out of his Three Goggles. Not only did he go 0-3 from the arc, none of them were close that I remember. Neither did he get in the lane tonight. It was all fancy dribbling and trying to avoid the travel/palm violation in order to earn a jumper from 18 feet or deeper.

Kurt Thomas did OK with 4 rebounds and 4 points in 16 minutes. He's the one steady guy off of the bench.

Craig Smith went inside repeatedly for 10 points and 5 rebounds in 18 minutes. The Pistons couldn't stop him. He's becoming quite the weapon against weak inside defending teams.

Nolan Smith, Chris Johnson, and (gulp!) Luke Babbitt combined for an undistinguished 10 minutes.

Fun With Numbers

  • Detroit 12 fast break points, Portland 8. You are playing wrong when that happens.
  • Blazers 3-20 from the arc. Detroit 7-15.
  • Aldridge's 25 eclipsed by Stuckey's 28.
  • Blazers gave Detroit plenty of foul shots...32. Once again the opponent made more (27) than the Blazers even shot (24). Yes, some of those were intentional fouls late but this isn't an isolated story. Portland either needs to get to the line or or foul less because a half-dozen point leak makes it hard to win.
  • Blazers force only 11 turnovers against a team that usually commits 17.

Final Thoughts

The Blazers finally get to come home now but a back-to-back-to-back that starts in just two days isn't going to feel like much of a relief. Portland better find some energy somewhere.

Read about a rare and no-doubt appreciated win at Detroit Bad Boys

Trail Blazers vs Pistons boxscore

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--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

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I beg to differ...

Raymond Felton did not have a good offensive game. That guy made 3 shots outside the paint all night. The layups were mostly uncontested testaments to Detroit’s defensive lapses. He had four points at half time, which help in large part put the Blazers in the hole that they would never recover from. Take away all the garbage points and he had a very mediocre game at best.

Also, we “are going to start wishing for another option at the starting two-guard?” Ummm, already happened there, Dave. Already happened.

by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 8:15 PM PST reply actions  

Not sure on Mayo..but

Matthews is not the starting two-guard on an elite team. I like Wes, but his FG% has dropped each of his three years in the league. Each year he is asked to do more and assumes so and is showing that he is unable to respond. It’s not entirely his fault. He was signed to be the backup swing player behind Roy and Batum, a role in which he would have thrived.

by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 8:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Wes was intended to play about 20 to 28 minutes as well.

I like Wes as an energy “D and 3” guy off the bench a heck of a lot. Wes kills me when he has the ball in his hands for more than a few seconds. He can’t effectively create scoring opportunities on his own and I am surprised when he doesn’t muck up any fast breaks he leads.

A lineup that could take advantage of Matthew’s strengths would have to include both Felton and Crawford as Wes is simply not well suited to being the secondary ball handler.

by Oden Mad, Oden Smash! on Jan 22, 2012 1:30 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Wes has actually been asked to do less this year

That’s the worrying thing….we’ve let him be invisible and he can’t even make a small contribution effectively.

| 23.1 | .647 | .605 | 15.6 | 28.3 | 21.9 | 6.7 | 0.9 | 7.7 | 17.8 | 20.7 | 118 | 100 | 1.3 | 1.0 | 2.2 | .214 |

by MadBlaze on Jan 22, 2012 3:54 AM PST up reply actions  

he's doing invisible very well IMO...

though he did make Rodney Stucky look like an all star with his fabulous defense…and didn’t some of the shooting guards on other teams do pretty well against the Blazers? Matthews DOES guard the other shooting guards usually right?

by Natsthecat on Jan 22, 2012 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

It appears to me that Wes does better against larger more physical players.

I think Wes lacks the quickness to stay with the quick guys as well as the length to back off a bit and contest jump shots (think Batum). Wes really impressed me with his defense on Carmelo when the Jazz met the Nuggets in the playoffs a few years back.

by Oden Mad, Oden Smash! on Jan 22, 2012 12:55 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

It's also not all Matthews fault we got torched by Stuckey and Knight.

Camby is not just a huge part of our interior defense he IS the interior defense. When Marcus is on the bench there is no one to funnel the penetrating guards in to.

by Oden Mad, Oden Smash! on Jan 22, 2012 12:57 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Last night there was no funnel

even when Marcus was in the game. He just wasn’t there. Your point seems right on to me though.

—Dave

by Dave on Jan 22, 2012 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Matthews is not a starting shooting guard on a middle of the pack team either.

The Blazers are not an elite team. No way. Elite teams do not play like this team has been playing.

by Natsthecat on Jan 22, 2012 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Not sure I agree with you

On felons evaluation. His shot fell tonight, regardless if it was 20ft out or if he was able to drive past piston defenders…

On top of that he dished out team high 9 assists, getting his teammates involved offensively. And I wouldn’t call crunch time garbage time.

by comptoncory on Jan 21, 2012 8:32 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

crunch time...

mounting a furious comeback is a poor man’s crunch time. That was not a close game. Winning it would have felt like a steal. I don’t remember Felton beating his man off the dribble once. I remember the Pistons not switching on pick and rolls and him walking down the lane uncontested.

by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 8:38 PM PST up reply actions  

If he can make a lay-in those 2 pts are worthwhile.

You have to see that the path is open and seize the initiative to drive and score.

ignacio

by ignacio on Jan 21, 2012 8:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Not saying they dont count

just saying they are not a testament to solid play.

by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 9:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Getting a layup

Is a testament to solid play. I’ll take a layup from a PG who recognizes bad rotations and the highest percentage shot on the floor (theoretically).

by comptoncory on Jan 21, 2012 9:07 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

unfortunately

he has to play against real teams too.

by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 9:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow...

Let me guess you prefer miller and our 9-11 record last year at this time?

by comptoncory on Jan 21, 2012 9:10 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

that was without wallace and with LA playing at ~15 PER level

Dre’s Nuggies are 12-5 for another comparison.

i keep dancing on my own.

by atomiccafe on Jan 21, 2012 9:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, the bottom tier has guys like VDN, Mark Jackson, ...

Paul Silas, and Avery Johnson. I’m not sure how “The Little General” got so close to winning a NBA Finals. Oh yeah, the talent of Dirk Nowitzki got Johnson two games away from it in 2006.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Jan 21, 2012 10:07 PM PST up reply actions  

That Dallas team was deeeeeeep

Speaking of deep, why do Mark Cuban’s deep pockets consistently net better benches than Paul Allen’s?

by BlazerTag on Jan 21, 2012 10:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I mean this in a friendly way

I really appreciate our back-and-forth and this is the most fun I’ve had on BlazersEdge for a while, but, with you, everything seems debatable.

by BlazerTag on Jan 21, 2012 10:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Thats right

There is no black and white. Everything is grey!

by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 10:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Not even close...

Nate isn’t the problem. A mediocre team without a true clutch players is. I love the Blazers, but Felton has been a disaster, he is as predictable as Bayless was. Mathews isn’t playing well, slump I hope. Canby is playing beyond his years and just shouldn’t have this much riding on him at this point in his career. LA is not a clutch player, he does a lot of things great and we are lucky to have him but is we are at the end of the 4th needing a basket, this is not his comfort zone.
If you want to complain about Nate you can complain about his always rotate defense but if you are implying you think we should get rid of him that seems like a classic case of “the grass is always greener on the other side.” There are only a few coaches in this league that I would consider an upgrade and guess what, we aren’t getting Popovich out here. We are more likely getting another version of Cheeks who actually was a terrible coach.

"At 49, I can say something I never would have said when I was a player, that I'm a better person because of my failures and disgraces." -- Bill Walton

by MischiefPortland on Jan 22, 2012 9:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Nate's not the problem.

It’s ridiculous that people scapegoat him. This team overachieved year after year and all people do is piss and moan about the freakin pace of the game. So now he opens it up its still Nate. How about the players being injured or mediocre?

by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 9:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not a huge Nate fan honestly, but I don't think he's an awful coach

Also, I’m not sure our pace has held up from the first few games. I should really go look that up, but our offense looks a lot more like the Roy days now…

by Timmay! on Jan 21, 2012 9:27 PM PST up reply actions  

97 possessions against Toronto and 94 against Atlanta, which is pretty quick given those are two of the slower teams in the league this yr.

i keep dancing on my own.

by atomiccafe on Jan 21, 2012 9:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Cool thanks for checking.

Is this a side-effect of the defensive issues leading to easy buckets, as opposed to early-season when they were creating buckets with steals?

by Timmay! on Jan 21, 2012 9:31 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s something that can’t be exactly verified by the numbers on a game to game basis. The increase in early-clock shooting by the Blazers this year compared to the last five is incredibly dramatic though.

i keep dancing on my own.

by atomiccafe on Jan 21, 2012 9:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Noticeable in-game too

Though more in the early season than this road trip. Hard to really eyeball that, of course.

by Timmay! on Jan 21, 2012 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

should point out under 100 ORtg in both those games, which is horrrrrible.

i keep dancing on my own.

by atomiccafe on Jan 21, 2012 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I see a lot of standing around

and isolation or pick and rolls but what else is nate going to do (as if he wants standing around anyway) nobody can make a shot.

by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 9:30 PM PST up reply actions  

They never underachieved...

Didn’t they almost make West finals one year?

by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 9:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Nahh that was with Nate in... 2004?

It was the season when he had a bunch of players in a contract season.

by Timmay! on Jan 21, 2012 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

"almost make the west finals"

They came up short in the semi’s, if I remember right. I’ll go look.

by Timmay! on Jan 21, 2012 9:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Can you expect more

from a coach than to have his team play over their talent level?

by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 9:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I think they played to their talent level that season

They had a good team, featuring a Rashard Lewis before his bloated contract, and Ray Allen.

by Timmay! on Jan 21, 2012 9:46 PM PST up reply actions  

At best they're a minor surprise

That can be chalked up to natural variance that can decide the fate of closely matched opponents in the playoffs.

by Timmay! on Jan 21, 2012 9:46 PM PST up reply actions  

That team had a 15 game

win improvement. I would say thats a little better than a minor surprise.

by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 10:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Huh?

The third best player on that team was freaking Luke Ridenour! That team was garbage. The year after Nate left and they won 35 games.

by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 10:16 PM PST up reply actions  

And...

the year before when they weren’t as good…uh Ray Allen missed like 30 games. Maybe that had something to do with it.

by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 10:18 PM PST up reply actions  

The team had some turnover

Don’t forget, when Nate came to Portland, their record dropped too. Of course, the Blazers had turnover too.

His role in the ups and downs gets a little overrated imo.

by Timmay! on Jan 21, 2012 10:18 PM PST up reply actions  

"His ups and downs..."

I believe that quote is applicable to all NBA coaches.

by BlazerTag on Jan 21, 2012 10:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Absolutely

Sometimes random variance gets assigned to coaching. And I’m guilty of that too.

by Timmay! on Jan 21, 2012 10:22 PM PST up reply actions  

That being said

Tom Thibs in Chicago has an impressive track record in getting teams to play stellar defense.

There are always exceptions.

by BlazerTag on Jan 21, 2012 10:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Coaching in the NBA

Seems to be more about managing players ego and playing time, rather than X’s and O’s scheming.

The ones that can manage personalities, not get fired, AND come up with a good game plan are few and far between.

The coaches I’ve been most impressed with this year are Stan Van Gundy, Rick Adelman, and Thibs.

by BlazerTag on Jan 21, 2012 10:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Collins has been great, too

What happened to Spencer Hawes?

You’re a Huskies fan, did even you see this coming?

It reminds me of watching Aldridge last year. I had to pinch myself to make sure I wasn’t dreaming.

On the other end of the coaching spectrum, how foolish was it for Wesphal to alienate Hawes and campaign for Sam Dalembert. That trade did nothing for the Kings this season. No wonder Petrie fired him after his blow-out with Demarcus Cousins.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice…

by BlazerTag on Jan 21, 2012 10:46 PM PST up reply actions  

What Spencer Hawes has done so far is ...

unsustainable. Him shooting a ridiculous % on mid-range jumpers doesn’t last.

At any rate, Hawes is this generation’s Brad Miller. A solid role player, but not someone to go bonkers over.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Jan 21, 2012 10:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Still...

I guess I just thought Spencer Hawes was going to go the way of “Big Country” Reeves.

In that scenario, Brad Miller is a significant upgrade.

by BlazerTag on Jan 21, 2012 10:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Plus

Luke Ridnour has carved himself out a pretty decent career.

by BlazerTag on Jan 21, 2012 10:21 PM PST up reply actions  

There wasn't that much meaningful turnover

Shouldn’t account for 17 more losses.

That team had .500 talent. And Nate either had that or was better. What more can you ask?

by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 10:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Are we talking about the '04-'05 Sonics?

That squad was just a one-hit wonder. Like Memphis is now, which is why I think people should cool it on the Grizzlies.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Jan 21, 2012 10:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes. That team.

The point though is that Nate has pretty consistently gotten the most out of the talent he has had. That team was Allen, Lewis and a bunch of yahoos.

by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 10:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Nate's not perfect

But who are you going to replace him with that is better? I don’t think the reputation that he has earned around the league is a fluke.

by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 10:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, he's somewhere in the 11-20 range.

Admittedly, I’ve got him closer to 20 than 11.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Jan 21, 2012 10:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Dre's nuggies?

Oh you mean lawsons team. Miller comes off the bench.

But I’ll give credit to his trip-doub game. Write 1 down.

by comptoncory on Jan 21, 2012 10:27 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

well that's why the thing is so dumb

wins are a team stat.

i keep dancing on my own.

by atomiccafe on Jan 21, 2012 10:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Felton's year last year

was an abnormality. Look at his career stats.

by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 9:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't want to look at his career stats, I just wan to

view last year and hope he would continue to be that this year.

by mora2 on Jan 21, 2012 9:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Its not outlandish to thing a young player will improve

Felton looked like he might be having a breakthrough with New York before he got traded.

by BlazerTag on Jan 21, 2012 9:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Sure...

thats what mediocre teams peddle. Hope and potential.

He’s been in the league seven years. He had one decent season with a freak show of a team that tried to score 130 every night.

by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 9:23 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

Ok you focus on last year. I will look at the other six years of his career.

by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 9:21 PM PST up reply actions  

last year felton was better

seems to be turning the corner a bit though

i keep dancing on my own.

by atomiccafe on Jan 21, 2012 9:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Results are all that matter

Felton had a solid offensive game. He’s had plenty enough that weren’t that we need to pile-on when he actually does.

by BlazerTag on Jan 21, 2012 9:08 PM PST up reply actions  

not trying to pile on...

just saying that even is games that look good in the box score are akin to a boxer who tries to steal a round in the last 30 seconds. He was worthless the entire first half, then took advantage of Detroit’s sloppiness when they didn’t know what to do with a 16 point second half lead.

by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 9:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Well that’s more that can be said for the other rotation guards.

i keep dancing on my own.

by atomiccafe on Jan 21, 2012 9:11 PM PST up reply actions  

It's funny

How you won’t even mention the assists or getting his teammates involved tonight, as much as he could.

On another note, I found post game comments from Wallace interesting…like it wasn’t his decision to sit…hmmm

by comptoncory on Jan 21, 2012 9:04 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I think he was frustrated that the docs held him out

Brandon grumbled at the same thing. I take that as a sign the docs are doing their job.

by Timmay! on Jan 21, 2012 9:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Well first time for everything

Our doc’s have not done their job…

by comptoncory on Jan 21, 2012 9:08 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I used to be one of the biggest complainers about the trainers

And I’m still cranky with them about their handling of LMA’s concussion.

But I’m not sure they get a fair shake sometimes. Sometimes injuries are about luck as much as skill.

by Timmay! on Jan 21, 2012 9:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I've always felt this about the trainers.

1. I’m the furthest thing from a trainer or medical professional, so I have no idea how they’re doing their jobs.

2. Despite my ignorance, I think some turnover is in order. If nothing else, it can’t hurt.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Jan 21, 2012 10:10 PM PST up reply actions  

The Mikes love Jay Jensen

Then again, they’re probably against staff turnover as much as the Blazers trainers are.

by BlazerTag on Jan 21, 2012 10:14 PM PST up reply actions  

A few years ago.

Let’s see if I can recall this correctly.

He got his bell rung, missed a game or two, played in a game where he later admitted the lights were blurry (or something similar), then got pulled again for another game.

Let’s go track this down and see how close I was to accurate…

by Timmay! on Jan 22, 2012 8:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Here’s the story from when the concussion happened (March 2009 in Indiana, he went to the hospital).

LMA said “the lights bothered him” in Cleveland, and was not allowed to play. However, I was very disappointed in how they tested for his status, by simply getting him on the court and having him practice against the coaches. Quick does a great job of recapping it here.

He returned three days later against the Bucks and shot 4-16. In his recap, Dave commented that LMA “looked a little concussed on his shot, frankly.”

In his Behind the Locker Room report from Milwaukee, Jason Quick notes that LMA “has a headache, probably lingering from his concussion”

I swear I saw another thing about this, but can’t find it. Fans were discussing whether he still looked dazed a game or two into his return.

Obviously the fans, Dave, or Jason are not doctors, but it still left me questioning the team’s handling of the incident. Especially their handling of him before the Cleveland game, and the fact that he seemed “off” when he eventually returned.

(Fair warning, those behind the locker room posts are utterly depressing in how fun the team was back then)

by Timmay! on Jan 22, 2012 8:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think the docs held him out...he was suited up.

Players don’t suit up if they are being held out by the med staff…pretty sure…

He just kept saying “no comment” to that Chris Hynes? reporter. I think it was because he had a little bit of throw up in his mouth thinking about Babbitt playing the 3.

by Natsthecat on Jan 22, 2012 10:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Ok he had 9 assists...

How many of them do you actually remember saying, “wow, Felton really created something out of nothing?”

by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 9:12 PM PST up reply actions  

That's not the criteria for an assist

There isn’t a stat for “creating something out of nothing”.

by BlazerTag on Jan 21, 2012 9:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Love's rebounds seem legit

Though his enthusiasm sometimes leaves him in the way of his teammates.

That being said, I haven’t eyeballed whether there is some home cooking. The splits should give that away, but I’d be surprised if it’s crazy different.

by Timmay! on Jan 21, 2012 9:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Not saying they aren't legitimate.

But you can pad assists like every other stat. My point is that people confuse assists with running an offense. Felton sucks at running an offense and he is not ever going to be confused as someone who can.

by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 9:27 PM PST up reply actions  

he's not as good as dre in that regard

but he showed in NY and in his last couple years in Charlotte that he can be a serviceable tablesetter.

i keep dancing on my own.

by atomiccafe on Jan 21, 2012 9:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep. He can rack up decent assist numbers.

There’s rarely such a thing as “easy assists” to the level that Felton racks them up.

by Timmay! on Jan 21, 2012 9:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm just always surprised when Felton

has a decent assist number. But you could feel when Dre was racking them up and setting the table.

Felton is the king of "oh, I’ll pass up a very routine, open 16ft jumper so you can have an open 19ft shot. Just because someone makes that shot doesn’t make it a great play.

by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 9:37 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Plus there isn't a stat called "running an offense"

I understand that Felton hasn’t had a great season, I’m pretty sure we all do, but I guess I just don’t understand your vitriol against him after a game in which he had a good offensive game.

If you remove Felton and Aldridge from the lineup, the rest of the team shot 19-55.

by BlazerTag on Jan 21, 2012 9:38 PM PST up reply actions  

My vitriol?

You replied to the wrong person. No problem though. :)

by Timmay! on Jan 21, 2012 9:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Well...

I don’t get on here usually so my agnst represents his entire body of work. And I don’t think it is vitriolic. It’s a pretty honest assessment of who he is.

Isn’t the fact that the rest of the team shot 19-55 that Felton is doing is job as a PG?

Yes, there isn’t a “running the offense” stat. That is why I don’t understand the adamance that stats always tell the story of how someone played.

by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 9:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t think anyone would dispute Felton’s mediocre and has been for like 7 years. Where you lose me is when you insinuate that not only is he mediocre, his mediocre numbers vastly overstate how good he is, and not only that, but also reflect decisions on his part to pad his assist stats at the expense of the team’s success.

i keep dancing on my own.

by atomiccafe on Jan 21, 2012 9:43 PM PST up reply actions  

What I'm saying

1. I’m not saying he pads his stats. I do think a lot of his stats are garden variety that most NBA players can make and are not representative of running the offense. For example, getting an assist on a fastbreak is pretty basic for most NBA point guards. I’m not knocking the assists I’m just saying it doesn’t really make a team better because a replacement player could pretty much do the same thing.

2. I’m not saying his overall stats vastly overstate how good he is. He is a career 41% shooter and is shooting 36% this year. To me the stats are crummy as well as the play.

3. I don’t hink he is a me first player. I don’t think he is selfish. I just don’t think he is that good.

by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 9:51 PM PST up reply actions  

No one is arguing against any of those points

The only thing people are saying is that Ray Felton had a good offensive game tonight.

by BlazerTag on Jan 21, 2012 9:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Thats your opinion

But I have the right to have the opinion that the point guard is evaluate on more than just a boxscore.

by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 9:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Granted

But just because one is evaluating a point guard on more than just a boxscore (which I believe most all of us are) does not mean that one is evaluating that point guard correctly.

—Dave

by Dave on Jan 21, 2012 10:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Team defense

Beyond the stats, that’s what I miss most from the Dre-to-Felton point guard transition.

Dre was pretty cement-footed as a one-on-one defender, but I liked the way he communicated on the defensive end. I don’t see the Blazers talking as much on that side of the floor this season.

by BlazerTag on Jan 21, 2012 10:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Who said "stats always tell the story"?

No one.

I certainly didn’t do it and I’m not going to defend that position.

Felton had a good offensive game tonight. When he shot it, the ball went in the basket for two points. When he passed it, others shot it, and it went in for two points.

He scored or assisted on 41% of the Blazers points, despite his career stats (which DO NOT TELL THE WHOLE STORY).

by BlazerTag on Jan 21, 2012 9:50 PM PST up reply actions  

pretty bad logic

As point out earlier…Blazers (san LA) went 19-55). So he only passed the makes and didn’t pass the misses? That’s “running the offense.”

Sure there were a lot of open misses (looking at you Matthews and Batum) but that might also be attributed to an offense where one person is pounding the ball until there is 12 seconds on the clock when they are in the half court set. Sometimes there is a lot of motion that isn’t geared towards anything.

by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 9:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Well...

it might have went in for two but it certainly didn’t go in for 3 as evidence by his 16% 3pt%. Wasn’t that the reason we dumped Miller?

by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 9:57 PM PST up reply actions  

We likely dumped Miller because we wanted to give a young PG a shot

And because Miller likely wasn’t re-signing.

I doubt it had much to do with his 3 point shot at all.

by Timmay! on Jan 21, 2012 9:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Why wouldn't he resign

Roy was the only reason why he wouldn’t and Roy would have been long gone. Plus, he gave no real indication he didn’t like Portland. I remember him saying he like playing with Aldridge a lot. The only really knock on him was age and 3pt shooting.

If age was the issue then why did we trade for Wallace who probably has 3 good years left max. And what exactly is the plan at center with Camby and Thomas then? Like it or not this team was/is in win now mode.

by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 10:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I personally don't feel Andre's only friction was with Brandon

Also, I think he’d like a shot at a title before retirement.

by Timmay! on Jan 21, 2012 10:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Possible

But he seemed like a pretty loyal guy.

by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 10:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Loyalty?

I liked Dre’s personality, but that was in part ‘cause he’s not loyal to anybody but himself.

Loyalty is for schmucks.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Jan 21, 2012 10:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, you get to be a fan of a team

And then they leave without saying goodbye

by manfredi on Jan 21, 2012 10:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I liked Dre because he reminds me

of Richard Pryor.
He looks like him (esp with his afro) AND he sounds like him…
BET they are related.

Did you see the 3 Andre Miller made that put the game into OT last night? It was a highlight…

by Natsthecat on Jan 22, 2012 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

On the first one, I agree with you.

I doubt Dre and Nate got along—at all.

On the second one, I really believe starting is more important to him than winning. Not that there’s anything with with that.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Jan 21, 2012 10:23 PM PST up reply actions  

It's certainly possible you're right

I think we all agree that starting on a contender is his dream job.

by Timmay! on Jan 21, 2012 10:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Well he would have started here

And thats about as good of a team he would start for now.

by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 10:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, it's not like teams are hounding after old, slow PG's

Don’t get me wrong, I love Dre, but so many teams have guys like Ty Lawson, if not guys like John Wall and Kyrie Irving, that there aren’t many places he can make 8 mil bones AND start AND win.

Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!

by HailOden! on Jan 21, 2012 10:28 PM PST up reply actions  

One club that could stand to sign Dre for ...

the MLE next season is the New York Knicks.

Iman Shumpert and Toney Douglas certainly aren’t the answer.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Jan 21, 2012 10:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Dre would be perfect for NY

I can’t think of someone better equipped to handle the egos and touches of Carmelo Anthony and Amare Stoudamire.

by BlazerTag on Jan 21, 2012 10:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, good call.

He and Chandler would be epic.

Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!

by HailOden! on Jan 21, 2012 10:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm still not sold on John Wall

He seems to have the game of Brandon Jennings and the attitude of Gilbert Arenas.

by BlazerTag on Jan 21, 2012 10:32 PM PST up reply actions  

You just want him to teach you how to dougie

Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!

by HailOden! on Jan 21, 2012 10:34 PM PST up reply actions  

no doubt that guy is awesome.

he’s no Kemba Walker though.

Kemba looks like a cross between Wall and Ben Wallace.

by hoodieNation on Jan 21, 2012 10:38 PM PST up reply actions  

And he's short

I love NBA players who are shorter than me, even though they usually suck.

Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!

by HailOden! on Jan 21, 2012 10:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Still, you're not going to start Dre over Wall

cuz you either need to tank or find out what you have with the young guy

Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!

by HailOden! on Jan 21, 2012 10:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

I think he would have stayed.

Besides, if you like Felton so much, then you keep Dre this year and just sign Felton in the offseason. He was going to be a backup in Denver anyway.

by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 10:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I think he sees it as something he's earned.

He should play as a Batum type minute starter…next year for the Blazers. Then get some really good rookie point guard in the lottery..which I think the Blazers will be able to make no problem this year…given their fitness/coaching/effort/talent this year. And have Dre teach him.
Or teach Nolan Smith…

by Natsthecat on Jan 22, 2012 10:49 AM PST up reply actions  

I could understand giving

young Rubio or Rhondo a ‘shot’ at the cost of Andre – I think Andre could have understood that (package deal).
But I never viewed Felton as an upgrade, and his first photos (no I wasn’t familiar with his past) were a negative shocker. “ok,ok, let him play”.
Well, so far, pretty horriffic, with a few passable episodes, like against the mighty Pistons.
Andre was effective with the Blazers, and deserved to be kept with the team. Remember LMA arranging a special award for Andre after he lost his ‘iron man’ game streak for shoving Griffin. They wanted to play together. I was embarassed for the Blazers at being the ‘pigeon’ party to a poor deal. Good luck trading Felton for Andre (and probably Faried) now – Denver picked our pocket on that deal.
It seemed so ridiculous to me then, and still does. The only reason he wouldn’t resign was that Nate wanted him gone. But Nate, who certainly has significant influnce on player decisions, couldn’t wait that long. How is that not more frustrating to our 3/4/5 players to be struggling with this backcourt. Losing Roy was a medical issue. Losing Andre, who was an anchor for our weak backcourt was wild blunder IMO.

by Berkeley on Jan 21, 2012 10:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Felton is not an upgrade from Andre

I don’t think the intent was immediate upgrade. It was to take a flyer on a player who could gel with the team. He was the best option available. I don’t think Andre was in the long-term plans, for the team or the player.

by Timmay! on Jan 21, 2012 10:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Bottom Line to All of This:

1. If Felton had games like this every night Blazer fans would be overjoyed to have him on board instead of whatever they’re feeling now. This game was not only better statistically but pretty much all of his attempts, including the missed threes, came in the flow of the offense. This is certainly better than many games we’ve seen when Felton appeared to be calling his own number and still missing.

2. He has not had games like this every night. Most have been inferior to this.

3. Since the Blazers won’t be playing a shoddy and permissive Detroit defense for 50-odd more games of the season there’s no reason to suspect that he will continue to produce like this.

Saying he didn’t have a good night—either in relation to his past performances for the Blazers, statistically, or in his affect on this game—is not accurate. But having a good night does not mean he fits this team’s needs at point guard or is performing at a good level overall this year.

—Dave

—Dave

by Dave on Jan 21, 2012 9:59 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

If we are lowering the bar

To what a good night for Felton is then yes he had an awesome night. And he helped lead the team to a loss to one of the worst teams in the league.

That low bar now includes being left completely unguarded from the perimeter forcing the paint to be clogged all night as the opposition dares you to beat them, which you can’t.

(yes, and as much as I like Aldridge, he disappeared when they inexplicably had a chance to steal a game they had no business being in…against, again…one of the worst teams in the league.)

For that, Raymond Felton, I salute you.

by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 10:10 PM PST up reply actions  

The reality...

I think we are going to have to accept that outside of Aldridge this team just isn’t very talented.

by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 8:17 PM PST reply actions  

I accepted that when we lost to Dallas last year... came around a bit

this year when the team teased me with that great start, but was once again convinced that there is no one that this team can give the ball to for 1 on 1.

by mora2 on Jan 21, 2012 8:19 PM PST up reply actions  

That's a relative term

We’re playoff-quality talented. But not championship-level talented.

by Timmay! on Jan 21, 2012 8:22 PM PST up reply actions  

A terrible place to be.

Aldridge is talented enough to lead a team to a .500 record. The rest of the team is talented enough to keep them there.

by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 8:23 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I think we're talented enough to by above .500

Possibly a 4 seed on the right season with a good mix. Just not a contender, as I totally understand you agree with.

by Timmay! on Jan 21, 2012 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I applaud your optimism...

I wish I could talk myself into but they don’t. Don’t let the TO numbers fool you. This is not a disciplined team. Name me a worse starting backcourt that has advanced in the playoffs in recent memory than Matthews/Felton?

What is this team? Offensive? Then they are playing 3 on 5 with Camby and Wallace out there. Are they Defensive? Then they are playing 3 on 5 with Aldridge and Felton out there (not to mention the bench).

by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 8:35 PM PST up reply actions  

It's definitely not optimism

I should define further. This CAN by a 4-seed team. But it would require a lot of variables to go their way:

1. The players are all healthy.
2. The team goes on at least two big hot streaks.
3. There are clear problems with the majority of the Western Conference contenders (something that could come up this season, actually).

It’s basically a max-peak if all things goes well. It means they have talent, but not enough to contend. Nonetheless enough to make a dent and be interesting, and maybe get a good matchup and sneak into the second round on a rare basis.

While they don’t look or play identically, they’re now the 80’s Blazers.

If Brandon Roy were healthy this season, this team could steal the West.

by Timmay! on Jan 21, 2012 8:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Ok I'll grant you that but...

Cant you say that about every playoff team. If “everything” breaks right they could be a top 4 seed?

Agree on Roy. But that’s the difference between having a franchise guy and not; winning the West and being someone’s first round doormat from the 7th seed.

by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 8:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you could indeed say that about a lot of playoff teams

Especially bottom-half teams. Not all bottom-half teams, some teams are lucky to be an 8-seed. But a solid playoff team? The above list could totally apply to them.

Which is exactly where I think we’re at: A solid playoff team, for whom a good season is a 5 seed, a bad season is an 8 seed, an amazing season is a 4 seed, and an awful season is a 9 or 10 seed and the lottery.

I suspect we’re not too far apart on this actually.

by Timmay! on Jan 21, 2012 8:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Pretty much the same

Though I think I am trending towards lower expectations than higher. Last years team was two games better than the 8 seed and we are not better than last years team. Dre>Felton and Roy>Crawford.

by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 8:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Roy wasn't a big help last season

I think LMA’s status as alpha is a huge key to the season. But in general, this team is an ensemble, and they’ll only play as well as they play as a unit

by Timmay! on Jan 21, 2012 9:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I like LA

but alpha status still questionable. He’s an allstar but the league now requires you to have a wing that can get to the basket. Dallas last year was the exception and it took a superhuman effort from Dirk. Thats where you really miss a Roy.

by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 9:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Roy wasnt huge

but he was still better than Crawford and without him the Dallas series isnt even competitive.

by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 9:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Losing a key player

No one would have been competitive with Dallas last year, because no one was.

by BlazerTag on Jan 21, 2012 9:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I just did

You were right all along, there is no point.

by BlazerTag on Jan 21, 2012 9:14 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Personal

I don’t think I was the one that said an entire thread that I wasn’t even part of didn’t have a point. If it doesn’t have a point then don’t comment. That’s personal?

by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 10:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Let's move on here

Calling someone a troll is a personal attack. He wasn’t trolling. Let’s move on.

by Timmay! on Jan 21, 2012 10:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Ha Ha

Lord knows you’ve been on the butt-end of that accusation more than once.

by BlazerTag on Jan 21, 2012 10:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Ha-ha, yeah.

Does get tossed around a lot.

To me, a troll is a person who’s purposefully trying to goad a reaction out of people just for hell of it.

As it is, I can only come up with one former long-time poster who fit that definition to a T.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Jan 21, 2012 10:27 PM PST up reply actions  

He who shall remain nameless

I know who you’re talking about and he was to trolling what Picasso was to painting.

by BlazerTag on Jan 21, 2012 10:39 PM PST up reply actions  

And here I was thinking AK was talking about fatty!!

"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview

"It was bad reffing...but not rip apart the fabric of time bad." -- The Arkitect, Game 79 Blazers versus Mavericks Post-Game Thread

by BlazersOrBust on Jan 22, 2012 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't disagree about LMA's alpha status being questionable btw.

But he’s all we got, and I’m ok giving him time to grow into the role. Honestly, at this point, there aren’t a lot of alternatives barring a monster trade.

by Timmay! on Jan 21, 2012 9:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't see a trade coming though.

Who has value outside of Batum? And what could you really get for Batum?

by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 9:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Hopefully

another Felton for Miller doozy.

by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 9:28 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah,

like a Gerald Wallace deal, where we are the ‘winner’. It does happen. Just sucks when you are the ‘slappee’, rahter than the ‘slapper’.

But, then he has to run it by Nate …..
Not a lot of confidence in Nate ‘assistant GM’.
Now maybe a GM who operates independent of Nate !

by Berkeley on Jan 21, 2012 10:45 PM PST up reply actions  

You don't deal a player like Crash and win

unless you get a draft pick that turns into Michael Jordan.

Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!

by HailOden! on Jan 21, 2012 10:47 PM PST up reply actions  

oh, my bad, not clear

I was trying to say Blazers get another winning deal like they got with Crash, not trade Crash.
I am not on the blowup bandwagon..
Thanks for allowing me to clarify.

by Berkeley on Jan 21, 2012 11:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I probably would have gotten it if I had read the whole thread

I’m in the habit of making uninformed, useless comments.

Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!

by HailOden! on Jan 21, 2012 11:05 PM PST up reply actions  

:)

That put a cheezy grin on my face.

Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!

by HailOden! on Jan 21, 2012 11:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Wallace has value

I would trade Wallace ONLY if we made the team better!

by Idahoblazerfan on Jan 21, 2012 10:37 PM PST up reply actions  

4 seed?

this would mean only 3 teams in the western conference are better than us. i think that’s a stretch

okc / denver / dallas – definitely better

to get to 4 we’d have to be better than

san antonio, the lakers & memphis. i’d say those teams are all a bit better as well.

i’d put the blazers in the 6 to 8 seed group along with the clips.

by colinmarsh on Jan 22, 2012 7:03 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't believe that denver and dallas are definitely better than us

It’s crazy how low we get when we lose a few games, pending Felton this is still a better team than last year, and I’ll argue that point with anyone

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Jan 22, 2012 12:45 PM PST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

this

You’d think people would remember our ugly losses from last season too. The season we made 48 wins and the 6th seed with half the roster on stretchers.

Do people really believe we lost to the Detroit Pistons because of lack of talent?

We’re top 6 seed again this year and possibly top 4 if some things actually go right.

by poorwebguy on Jan 22, 2012 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Thank God

some sense.

Johnson, Johnson, Smith, Smith, Thomas, Williams, and Babbitt: the Blazer's law firm.

by Doctor Worm on Jan 22, 2012 8:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh yes, give him a chance, see what happens.

I’m just saying I anticipate a certain level of anxiety while he plays. But i wish him well.

ignacio

by ignacio on Jan 21, 2012 9:12 PM PST up reply actions  

giving him a chance

would likely require resigning him which would be considered, i hope, insane by management at this point.

by colinmarsh on Jan 22, 2012 7:04 AM PST up reply actions  

As opposed to now?

I have a certain level of anxiety every time the Blazers step onto the hardwood. Not injury fear, more wondering which squad is going to show up and whether we can beat a weak team like Detroit…

I feel like the Blazers adopted the SF Giants slogan from the 2010 season. “Torture!”

by Vorlauf on Jan 22, 2012 9:37 AM PST up reply actions  

"A terrible place to be."

Exactly, it’s the worst place to be in the NBA.

In MLB, being above average is fine. Get to the playoffs and it’s a crapshoot from there.

In the NFL, being above average isn’t great; however, it’s easier to go from above average to great in the NFL than it is in the NBA.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Jan 21, 2012 10:13 PM PST up reply actions  

The future looks bleak for the Blazers

The NW Division is looking very strong and most of the teams in it have a young core.

The days of the Blazers being young and promising are over. I think they’ll be staring up at mediocre in no time.

by BlazerTag on Jan 21, 2012 10:19 PM PST up reply actions  

it depends on the contract situation

if you’re average but not laden with long term expensive contracts, you have a shot. if you’re middle of the pack, over the cap and stuck that way for a couple seasons then yes that’s the worst place to be.

the blazers have the option to not put themselves in this situation. they currently have no bad contracts.

by colinmarsh on Jan 22, 2012 7:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Even without any bad contracts, the Trail Blazers still have no upward mobility right now.

Unless Dwight Howard walks through that door, free agency will just be shuffling chairs on a wayward ship. Since Howard isn’t coming here, Portland is stuck between a rock and a hard place.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Jan 22, 2012 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

or D-Will

unless his horrible season in New Jersey is a sign of things to come.

by YoniRap on Jan 22, 2012 8:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Batum is talented also.

Camby is talented but in his twilight NBA years.
Yep…that’s about it.
I think Wallace is a strong player in the open court. Not sure on his talent. Not that much of an expert on what he does.
Matthews is a bench player and wish that he was coming off the bench. If he takes one more 3pt shot with 18 seconds on the shot clock….he puts no pressure on his defender…he lets point guards..shooting guards etc run right by him…he needs to work in a SYSTEM and come off the bench.

by Natsthecat on Jan 22, 2012 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed...

Miller is far better than Felton and Roy is far better than Crawford. So I’m not sure why we thought this was going to be a better team. It’s not.

by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 8:21 PM PST reply actions  

With Miller and when Roy was out out last year the team was 21-7 I think the addition of Crawford

Has hurt because Nic can play the 2 behind Mathews. Nate should never be calling for 2 plays in a row to Craig Smith. Those should be called for LA and Smith should be rebounding not the other way around.

by TheOdenator52 on Jan 21, 2012 8:31 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Agree on Craig Smith

I don’t understand the man crushes everyone has. I like the energy. But he is a black hole. Teams are figuring out that for some unfathomable reason he has an automatic green light. Dribbling around for 8 seconds in the lane while everyone else watches and hoisting up a shot is why he has bumped around the league is entire career. I like him but I fear this is the latest case of irrational Blazer fan love.

by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 8:42 PM PST up reply actions  

The blazers really don't care who shoots the ball, they just pray that who ever chucks it,

the ball will brush the net gracefully and fall through. Yet, I haven’t really seen much of that, mostly some clanks here and there and a few more hitting a fan in the third row because Crawford chucked it too hard.

by mora2 on Jan 21, 2012 8:47 PM PST up reply actions  

He's certainly a fine 9th-10th man.

And paying him the minimum is great value.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Jan 21, 2012 10:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Glass half-empty

Meet glass half-full.

Thanks for the optimism on a bad Blazers day.

by BlazerTag on Jan 21, 2012 10:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh, did I mention the complete rebuild in between?

Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!

by HailOden! on Jan 21, 2012 10:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Ka.

Boom.

Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!

by HailOden! on Jan 21, 2012 10:54 PM PST up reply actions  

How do the Blazers rebuild next season?

They don’t have a high draft pick and they don’t have a reason to trade Aldridge. I understand the “why”, just not the “how”.

by BlazerTag on Jan 21, 2012 11:00 PM PST up reply actions  

If they rebuild, it's a multi-season process

There is no real rebuild that could be completed next season unless they got really lucky and pulled a huge steal of a player expected to go elsewhere.

by Timmay! on Jan 21, 2012 11:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Or if Nic Batum signs for $5.5 mil per year and becomes the swingman version of Kyle Lowry

AND Felton resigns for a reasonable sum and become Chauncey Billups 2.0, AND Greg Oden comes back as a 7’ 1" Ben Wallace.

Of course, that’s not a rebuild. But we might be ok if those things happened.

Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!

by HailOden! on Jan 21, 2012 11:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Win the Deron Williams lottery

Cross your fingers that Oden stays healthy. Re-sign either Batum or Gerald Wallace.

Yeesh. That’s an off season plan based on a hope and a prayer.

by BlazerTag on Jan 21, 2012 11:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Black hole?

See Jamal Crawford before ever mentioning Craig Smith.

by meRoy on Jan 21, 2012 11:51 PM PST up reply actions  

this

Craig is shooting about 60% on a team that has trouble getting to 40%. That completely disqualifies him from black hole status.

by poorwebguy on Jan 22, 2012 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Um, Dave?

Why did you link the Raptor’s boxscore? Are you trying to make us feel better?

by Corvid on Jan 21, 2012 8:29 PM PST reply actions  

Surprised?

Felton is not in a slump. He is not a good shooter. Period. He is a career 41% shooter. Why do people think differently?

by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

He's been better in recent seasons

Started slow – worked it up – regressing hard this season.

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Jan 21, 2012 8:38 PM PST up reply actions  

That's debatable...

He had one good season his entire stay with the Bobcats. Then he had a very hot start with the Knicks before cooling way off before the trade. There’s a reason why they keeps stats. Over a seven year career, you are who you are.

by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 8:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Nothing debatable about it

Felton’s FG% in sequence:

.391
.384
.413
.408
.459
.425
.423
.431
.364

Felton hasn’t shot his career average in YEARS….this is his worst season ever, so far

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Jan 22, 2012 2:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Going forward

Can anyone tell me how our search for our new GM is going, its pretty obvious we need to get looking very soon!

by sabas5 on Jan 21, 2012 8:40 PM PST reply actions  

why?

our current gm, whoever that is, has done a reasonable job. we signed wesley matthews to a very reasonable deal as well as kurt thomas, craig smith & jamal crawford.

they felton trade was bad but both players were on one year deals so it’s hardly armageddon.

i think our whoever is gm has done an admirable job. it’s certainly better than the mgmt we saw under kevin pritchard.

by colinmarsh on Jan 22, 2012 7:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Dave : This is become a sympton every year of the Blazers playing down to their opponents.

When does it become a leadership problem on the court and when/or is it a coaching problem? I do not like seeing the players be jocular together at the free throw line down late in games or at anytime during the game unless they are up by 20 with 2 minutes left. There doesn’t seem to be a sense of urgency until 4 minutes in the 4th shown by their amazing trapping defense which should be inserted every quarter at various intervals.

by TheOdenator52 on Jan 21, 2012 8:45 PM PST reply actions  

This.

Wesley is a good player but he’s looking more like a bench player at this point…perhaps more useful in targeted minutes to take advantage of his particular skills.

Matthews and Batum need to switch roles. Matthews off the bench can bring the hustle and spark that unit is lacking, and Batum is better suited to the uptempo starters than the half-court bench.

The Felton, Batum, Wallace, Aldridge, Camby lineup has seen very little run this season, and I think it’s worth a look.

Doers & Makers > Movers & Shakers

by Adam Randall on Jan 21, 2012 8:46 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

If We$ could get himself some handles and court vison,

we could swap him in for Smelly Felly at the 1 and that would be the best starting 5 defensively in the league

…in theory.

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by Oh. Em. Gee. on Jan 21, 2012 8:50 PM PST up reply actions  

off to Walmart with him

hopefully there’s a sale on court vision and handles. He should pick up some distance shooting for the rest of the guards while he’s shopping

by poorwebguy on Jan 21, 2012 11:07 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm not a "blow it up" guy but...

…I also don’t want to watch this poor of quality play.

Is there a cap/salary type that can tell me how many actual contracts we have on the books next year?

With Brandon gone, and the dream of the big three gone with him, I’d be alright with starting over next year with LMA, Wes & Nic. I’m losing my emotional attachment to any of the rest of the team so it might be the time to switch things up and start over again.

What are our options?

#7... GO BLAZERS!!!

by Ilikeemall on Jan 21, 2012 8:48 PM PST reply actions  

that is not a clickable link.

just fyi.

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by Oh. Em. Gee. on Jan 21, 2012 8:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I was going to send everyone to Storyteller's site

But his contract links are broken! Uh-oh, he must be busy.

by Timmay! on Jan 21, 2012 8:54 PM PST up reply actions  

haha, really? mods can do that?

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by Oh. Em. Gee. on Jan 21, 2012 8:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually, no :)

It didn’t link because it’s in the subject line. You can’t link anything in the subject line. Gotta put it in the body.

by Timmay! on Jan 21, 2012 9:00 PM PST up reply actions  

i figured that's what it was.

but i wouldn’t put it past you crafty mods for relinquishing certain abilities based on our poor usage of them.
i.e. the linked rick-roll incident a few GDTs back…haha.

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by Oh. Em. Gee. on Jan 21, 2012 9:04 PM PST up reply actions  

done and done.

Bad words on BEdge? You’ll get disemvoweled!

Thn y tp lk ths.

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by Oh. Em. Gee. on Jan 21, 2012 9:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks...

So since Brandon really doesn’t count and it’s likely Crawford will want more we really have some flexibility…right? And beyond that we’re free and clear even if him and Gerald exercise their options.

I hope something happens and these guys come together but right now they’re just no fun to watch.

#7... GO BLAZERS!!!

by Ilikeemall on Jan 21, 2012 8:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I am fearful to give up Nic... watching what happened to Jermain wouldn't be a fun thing to see again.

Wes is good, but a role player at best, until proven other wise. I am tired of his poor mechanics and streaky shooting. Yet, as I right this… did anyone know that Kobe was going to what he is today when he was the league for three years? Granted Kobe was scoring 19.4 ppg, he wasn’t quite the player that we saw later on.

by mora2 on Jan 21, 2012 8:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Basically if we renounce everyone and Wallace opts out the Blazers have Aldrige, Mathews, Babbitt

Williams and Smith. The Blazers could have more than 30 mil in cap space. Only problem is free agents do not see Portland as a place to come to even being the headquarters of Nike.

by TheOdenator52 on Jan 21, 2012 8:58 PM PST up reply actions  

And what are we doing with that money? No unrestricted worth a damn is coming here.

You wanna offer max deals to restricted guys like Brook Lopez and DJ Augustin? That team isn’t any better than just re-signing Wallace, Batum, and Felton

by Rudy4three on Jan 21, 2012 9:18 PM PST up reply actions  

nothing says you have to use your capspace the first year you have it

i wouldn’t sign the guys you mention either. i’d target kevin love, if he doesn’t get an extension, and if you can’t get him, push it forward another year.

you might end up in the lottery, get a great pick and have the room to sign 2 max players. it’s not doom & gloom for the blazers right now. it’s going to take some years but if they manage things well, they have a shot. they have one star quality players, that’s the hardest thing to find.

by colinmarsh on Jan 22, 2012 7:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Paul Allen isn't going to run out a team of:

C: Random off the street guy on a 1 yr deal
PF: Aldridge
SF: Batum
SG: Wes
PG: Nolan Smith

No bench

You are right, we probably should do that, cause we’d land a Top 10 pick and carry cap space forward. I just don’t see it happening under Allen.

by Rudy4three on Jan 22, 2012 8:09 AM PST up reply actions  

This is why I back getting as much as cap space as possible.

Just because we have cap space this year, doesn’t mean you blow it all this year a la Pistons several years ago. You roll it over, absorb some contracts for 1st round picks, and stockpile assets.

Given the harsher luxury tax penalties coming up in few years, I suspect teams will be even more willing to give up picks to get under the penalty line.

And if we luck out and get a Deron Williams, then even better.

The cake was a lie.

by xedubx on Jan 22, 2012 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Wallace for Okafor. Call now, Okafor suits up on Monday night.

"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jan 21, 2012 8:50 PM PST reply actions  

No, Wallace for Okafor. Then call Phoenix and see if Nash wants to play on a playoff team again.

If so talk Phoenix into letting him go (for Nash’s sake) for Felton, Wllliams, Claver, $3M and Johnson (to match salaries). Talk Nash into playing next year as part of the deal.

"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jan 21, 2012 8:57 PM PST up reply actions  

That's way too much for Nash, who will bolt for a contender next season.

Wallace’s value may fluctuate based on his play on the road from here.

by Timmay! on Jan 21, 2012 8:58 PM PST up reply actions  

It would have to be an extend and trade, but it's still too much. Wallace has to go to NO.

"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jan 21, 2012 9:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd do this

Phoenix Gets: Camby, Felton, Matthews, E. Williams
Portland Gets: Nash, Gortat, Childress.

Obviously, some people will say this is giving up too much, but Gortat is pretty much beasting at Center right now. Also, think of it this way, if Nash walks after this season, it will have essentially been this trade: Matthews & E. Williams for Gortat & Childress. Personally, I would do that trade, even though it remains to be seen if Williams is going to be a solid player in this league.

Plus, I think that on a one or two year basis, a lineup of Nash, Batum, Wallace, Aldridge, Gortat could much more seriously contend with the top teams in the west. I think Nash’s game could really open things up for Aldridge, and I think he’d find more ways to get guys like Batum and Wallace into situations they can thrive at offensively (And with Nash’s dribble-happy style, Batum wouldn’t be put in a lot of situations that might expose his handles at the 2 offensively). Also, since Aldridge has proven he’s not going to rebound night in and night out, Gortat can pretty much get you close to 10 a night guaranteed when given starter minutes, so this would replace the production lost by trading away Camby, and be a considerable upgrade offensively.

by adaoh on Jan 22, 2012 3:53 AM PST up reply actions  

IN OKC, at that.

boom, haters.

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by Oh. Em. Gee. on Jan 21, 2012 8:59 PM PST up reply actions  

fingergate!

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by Oh. Em. Gee. on Jan 21, 2012 9:06 PM PST up reply actions  

No idea

The Mikes said it wasn’t the finger from Felton’s pass in ATL. No idea beyond that.

by Timmay! on Jan 21, 2012 9:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Gentleman, without jumping to conclusions willynilly,

let’s just agree his finger was hurt during something headband-related. I mean, it’s the most logical possibility. No need to speculate.

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by Oh. Em. Gee. on Jan 21, 2012 9:12 PM PST up reply actions  

i’m not sure i remember a phalic shirt.

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by Oh. Em. Gee. on Jan 21, 2012 9:23 PM PST up reply actions  

ah, yes.

objective vs. subjective, i guess.

I don't always root for an NBA franchise, but when I do, I prefer the Portland Trail Blazers.

by Oh. Em. Gee. on Jan 21, 2012 11:00 PM PST up reply actions  

uhm didnt okc

lose to washington on the road too…… remember last year when we lost like three games on the road against terrible east teams and we still finished fine.. long road trip they dont wanna be there they lose that simple they will come back from it to good not too

by jpark on Jan 21, 2012 9:02 PM PST reply actions  

Finished fine?

Two games above the 8 seed and a first round exit?

by robertjcase on Jan 21, 2012 9:05 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah

it’s not gonna take too many losses between the 5th and 9th seeds. Just because other teams take bad losses doesn’t mean the Blazers can afford to. Also, this is coming on the heels of a pretty bad effort in Atlanta.

i keep dancing on my own.

by atomiccafe on Jan 21, 2012 9:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah this game may be one they regret later this season

I think "may: could even be an underestimation of the importance of this loss. Hate to be all defeatist, but they need these games.

by Timmay! on Jan 21, 2012 9:12 PM PST up reply actions  

yes okc lost to washington

they are also 7 and 2 on the road and 13 and 3 overall. that’s a bit different than where the blazers sit. the blazers are clearly a home court phenomena. we use the advantage of portland well but we aren’t a good team.

by colinmarsh on Jan 22, 2012 7:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Shooting threes is a privilege

not a right. Coach should ban the three-point shot until this team has shown that it can handle the responsibility (by establishing a big lead).

"I'm not trying to brag or anything, but I'm exciting."
- Jamal Crawford

by saitamaman on Jan 21, 2012 9:20 PM PST reply actions  

For real.

Then again, only way to know they’re falling or not is to take one or two.

I say JCraw doesn’t get to take ANY. Let We$ and Nico hike a few up just to test the waters. If they’re not falling, well, pass it back to LA.

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by Oh. Em. Gee. on Jan 21, 2012 9:25 PM PST up reply actions  

So last night...

In the preview thread I JOKINGLY suggested The Blazer throw this game just to make Detroit fans feel better.

Sorry.

How was I to know The Blazers would take me seriously?

I think this loss is on me.

"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"

by Krang on Jan 21, 2012 9:40 PM PST reply actions  

GAHHHHH! It's all your fault!

But I forgive you ;)

Phase 1: Collect underpants
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by HailOden! on Jan 21, 2012 9:41 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah, the 'nice guy' problem continues,

despite the team meeting.
Maybe Rasheed can break the spell.

by Berkeley on Jan 21, 2012 11:07 PM PST up reply actions  

This team is soooooo bad that Monta Ellis could actually improve the roster

That’s like being so fat that fried chicken is an improvement over your usual diet of rendered lard and high fructose corn syrup.

Phase 1: Collect underpants
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by HailOden! on Jan 21, 2012 9:46 PM PST reply actions  

PG/SG/C

We’re covered at every other position, and have nothing but Wesley “I’m a 3’s and D specialist who doesn’t always hit 3’s or play D” Matthews to hold down the rest.

Phase 1: Collect underpants
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by HailOden! on Jan 21, 2012 9:54 PM PST up reply actions  

League's worst players

1. Luke Babbitt
2. Travesty Outlaw
3. Jamal Crawful-Chuckford

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by HailOden! on Jan 21, 2012 10:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Dang, I forget about that.

*Disclaimer: my lists are always incomplete, incorrect, and entirely subjective.

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by HailOden! on Jan 21, 2012 10:06 PM PST up reply actions  

what luck that the Blazers have all been graced with this list's presence.

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by Oh. Em. Gee. on Jan 21, 2012 11:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Hasheem Thabeet has to make the list

Couple of games ago the Rocket’s back-up C has the flu and they’re not sure if he’ll be able to play. So naturally they make Thabeet inactive.

by Tisbee on Jan 21, 2012 11:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Thabeet has a NBA skill in his shot blocking

Granted, that’s all he can do, and he fouls like crazy, but still. The other 3 don’t even have that.

Phase 1: Collect underpants
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by HailOden! on Jan 21, 2012 11:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Guys I WANT on next year's roster

LMA, Wallace, Rhino, Crazy Eyes

Guys I think we can get something for: Nic and Wes

Guys who I would give up for nothing: Everybody else

I cannot remember a Blazers team from which I only wanted 4 guys to come back next season (although, admittedly, I didn’t start following until right after the JailBlazers ended)

Phase 1: Collect underpants
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by HailOden! on Jan 21, 2012 10:02 PM PST reply actions  

Duh.

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by HailOden! on Jan 21, 2012 10:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Camby.

Dude’s got the craziest eyes this side of…something with crazier eyes elsewhere.

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by Oh. Em. Gee. on Jan 21, 2012 11:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Whose crazy eyes?

OSU '06
GForce Crash Wallace FTW!

by TyboOSU on Jan 21, 2012 10:32 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

AKA Big Sexy

I have no idea where that one came from.

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by HailOden! on Jan 21, 2012 10:35 PM PST up reply actions  

lyao

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by HailOden! on Jan 21, 2012 10:40 PM PST up reply actions  

they're CRAZY sexy.

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by Oh. Em. Gee. on Jan 21, 2012 11:03 PM PST up reply actions  

lol, and how did we lose to the Pistons?

i’m glad I ended up being busy and only watched the 1 quarter smh

by hoodieNation on Jan 21, 2012 10:18 PM PST reply actions  

Dave covers it well IMO

Bad night all around. You missed the final play, but it was an apt ending.

by Timmay! on Jan 21, 2012 10:19 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

Cupcake with the CLUTCH turnover.

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by HailOden! on Jan 21, 2012 10:20 PM PST up reply actions  

And Felton has them mastered

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by HailOden! on Jan 21, 2012 10:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Forsooth

(hoodie goes to dictionary.com to look up “forsooth”)

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by HailOden! on Jan 21, 2012 10:24 PM PST up reply actions  

pshhhhhh

like I didn’t know what that means already :)

by hoodieNation on Jan 21, 2012 10:27 PM PST up reply actions  

If you actually knew what it meant, you're like my new best friend

or hang out with a lot of stupid people, one of the two.

Phase 1: Collect underpants
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by HailOden! on Jan 21, 2012 10:29 PM PST up reply actions  

haha

I don’t hang out with stupid people… stupid people hand out with me! o wait

by hoodieNation on Jan 21, 2012 10:31 PM PST up reply actions  

hahaha

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by HailOden! on Jan 21, 2012 10:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I have to add that to my special stat list:

turnovers on final possession with chance to win/tie

by Berkeley on Jan 21, 2012 10:57 PM PST up reply actions  

The Blazers new high powered running game is producing 1.3 more fast break points than last year.

We are averaging 11.5 fast break points per game this year (8 tonight) which is #20 in the league. Last year we averaged 10.2 fast break points, #29 in the league.

One problem - we are giving up 4.6 more fast break points than last year. So our new running offenses/defense style has produced a net loss of 3.3 fast break points per game compared to last year.

Is that progress???

"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jan 21, 2012 10:20 PM PST reply actions  

I'm ok if we're not a high paced team, if it leads to wins.

That being said, it looks a lot like the players hit the early season wall on this trip.

by Timmay! on Jan 21, 2012 10:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I hate watching a team with a bad running game play a running game.

But was it really our objective to give up 3.3 more fast break points to the opponents than we gained ourselves by playing a faster pace?

I sorta doubt it.

"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jan 21, 2012 10:25 PM PST up reply actions  

just looking at fast break points

is not a good way to judge if pace has improved the blazers.

that said, pace has not improved the blazers.

by colinmarsh on Jan 22, 2012 7:17 AM PST up reply actions  

And that isn't sufficient because your style can make opponents more or less efficient too.

In the end, the only spec that has meaning all by itself is wins and losses. Every other spec is subject to tradeoffs, interpretation, speculation, etc.

"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jan 22, 2012 5:03 PM PST up reply actions  

If your new “fast paced” style results in giving up 3.3 more fast break points than you gain, it is then worth asking what are you getting in compensation for those points.

As I said, “is that progress?”

"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jan 22, 2012 4:52 PM PST up reply actions  

4 years

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by HailOden! on Jan 21, 2012 10:25 PM PST up reply actions  

1) Stand under hoop 2) Pump fake 3) Lay up

60% of the time, it works every time

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by HailOden! on Jan 21, 2012 10:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I think it's more like

1)dribble once 2) slam into defender 3) lay up off backboard

by hoodieNation on Jan 21, 2012 10:45 PM PST up reply actions  

That's what I meant, obviously.

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by HailOden! on Jan 21, 2012 10:47 PM PST up reply actions  

psshhhhh

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by HailOden! on Jan 21, 2012 10:52 PM PST up reply actions  

that's an adorable exchange you guys just shared.

how lovely for you two!

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by Oh. Em. Gee. on Jan 21, 2012 11:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Demolished by Rodney Stuckey

Put it on a poster and hang it up in the Blazers’ locker lol. We let another horrible team hang around until they saw an opportunity to cash in on a rare win in front of their home crowd.

At least it wasn’t as bad as the Phoenix game. I’m not looking forward to this b2b2b. Terrible basketball all over the league. Condensing games to fit into a shorter season isn’t looking like a great idea so far.

Also, looks like we’re a terrible road team. I hope we can keep the wins flowing at home because that’s what it will take this season.

by poorwebguy on Jan 21, 2012 10:53 PM PST reply actions  

Getting killed by Stuckey and Prince doesn't really bother me

They’re both good players in bad situation. The fact that we couldn’t rise to the challenge, then almost rose to the challenge, then…whoops! Felton turned the ball over, AGAIN! would bother me if I were on the team.

But I’m not, so my competitiveness isn’t a factor. I just hope they start playing some basketball that I actually want to watch.

Phase 1: Collect underpants
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by HailOden! on Jan 21, 2012 10:56 PM PST up reply actions  

hahaha, yeah, word

Phase 1: Collect underpants
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by HailOden! on Jan 22, 2012 1:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Uh, no.

Actually, I leave all the time. I just check back frequently. It’s not like I just sit on BE all day.

Phase 1: Collect underpants
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by HailOden! on Jan 22, 2012 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

And it's the weekend, so I have nothing better to do

Phase 1: Collect underpants
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by HailOden! on Jan 22, 2012 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

to wrap the above discussion

Today’s game had 86 possessions, that’s in line with Nate teams of old.

i keep dancing on my own.

by atomiccafe on Jan 21, 2012 10:59 PM PST reply actions  

wow

Back to back away games – we will most likely lose them (no matter who we play) – no specific player to blame…

The tensions are so high because the stakes are so low!

by tylercomp on Jan 21, 2012 11:01 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Denver just swept 4 road games in 5 nights.

i keep dancing on my own.

by atomiccafe on Jan 21, 2012 11:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Rudy Fernandez just retweeted

something saying that #blueandyellow just won 4 out of 5 games of their road trip. blech.

WHY AM I STILL FOLLOWING @rudy5fernandez?

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by Oh. Em. Gee. on Jan 21, 2012 11:56 PM PST reply actions  

having said that,

search “luke babbitt” on twitter and see what people are saying about him. hahaha, oh man.

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by Oh. Em. Gee. on Jan 21, 2012 11:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Things i learned tonight

1. L.A. is still good, but needs to rebound more
2. our guards make me want to cry
3. If felton can always play like that i’ll be happy
4. Wallace is the heart and sole of this team
5. Batum is not a franchise player. good 3rd or 4th option but thats his ceiling.

by Kazper on Jan 22, 2012 4:27 AM PST reply actions  

Wallace the heart and soul of this team - but Batum's ceiling is 3rd or 4th option?

Guards want to make you cry, but if Felton (guard) plays like that he will be happy?

I think cause, effect, and role are difficult concepts to reconcile with professional basketball players.

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Jan 22, 2012 4:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Sad thing is this was suposed to be a team for Nate liking.

At this point probably not only LA but also Nate would like to have Miller and Rudy back.

by amlmart1 on Jan 22, 2012 7:21 AM PST reply actions  

Nate may want their performance

But he doesn’t want them

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Jan 22, 2012 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

from my understanding,

the team has had no practices since dec 31.

maybe we can blame some of these losses on that?

PHILLY!

by CleBlazer on Jan 22, 2012 7:43 AM PST reply actions  

I agree

The no Practices thing isn’t working. I understand the rest concept. However, we have a lot to work on.

Felton can cut as well as spot up after passing LMA the Ball. This commits his man to guarding him and also creates opportunities to rub off weakside doubles coming over. And, he may actually be open on a cut. It also creates movement and opportunities from rotation.

Pick and roll and Pick and pop should also be emphasized IMO.

I think resting is focusing on tired too much. Not calling for all out practice. Just not the days off that seem to leave us flat in games

Trust and look for each other

by Hermistonmelons on Jan 22, 2012 9:13 AM PST up reply actions  

What's the big deal...

Mediocrity is where the comfort zone’s been at for this franchise for a long time now. Yes they got out to a quick start – but now they’ve settled back into where they feel most comfortable.

Be happy for a likable team. Spend some time and money watching them until they’re finally squeezed out of the 2nd round and then have a nice summer.

Wash, rinse, repeat. :D

Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.

by Net Ranger on Jan 22, 2012 8:00 AM PST reply actions  

Did anyone throw chairs and gatorade Buckets after last nights loss?

I think part of the issue is this group is too happy with itself

Trust and look for each other

by Hermistonmelons on Jan 22, 2012 9:14 AM PST reply actions  

I don't know, but let's hurry up and get to rock bottom, already.

Something must break.

I don’t think we’re playing anywhere near our potential. We are currently less than the sum of our parts. I’m pretty sure we’ll be better in the second half of the season — Nate appears to move slowly, as if he has to be sure that things aren’t working before he can make a change. “This should be working. This should be working.” Maybe we’ll play our way into shape, too.

by manfredi on Jan 22, 2012 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

one good thing

this is going to be a good draft class, so best not to finish too high in the standings. We aren’t going anywhere without Oden- and that is up to the whim of the basketball gods.

We are one key injury away from heading to the root cellar, which I am becoming more and more favorable to this year.

by ralphzillo on Jan 22, 2012 9:26 AM PST reply actions  

I'm never in favor of the cellar.

But at this point, I’m not willing to trade anything more than the Reno boys ,EW and the Rhino. Rhino looks good, against bad teams. He’s big, I give him that. Still a loss, and it will take the same production against the Bulls, to convince me he is the best back up to LA in the playoffs.

Agree 100 % on a good draft glass for BIGS in June. No way would I part with Wes$ or Nico right now. This lockout season has everyone with tired legs. Injuries will happen.

Go Blazers !!

just win baby !

by FrenchieFan on Jan 22, 2012 9:55 AM PST reply actions  

We might lose some guys for a couple consistent shooters real soon

The offense hums along when someone is hitting from the perimeter. We look like crap when the defense is packed in and we still need to force the ball into LMA to try and salvage some offense. No mistake though…had LMA been getting calls we would have beat Detroit.

Basically our guards are failing epically. Kurt, Craig, LMA, Camby…all doing a pretty solid job. We$, Jamal and Ray not getting the job done consistently enough. Same with Crash and Nico too lately.

Swap some guys for someone that can shoot and suddenly we’re a pretty decent team. Suddenly Aldridge becomes near unstoppable against 24 out of 30 teams.

by poorwebguy on Jan 22, 2012 1:31 PM PST reply actions  

Love all the skapegoatin' on Felton...

when Batum gets dunked on by Rodney Stuckey…
and coughs up 1 for 7 from 3.
I don’t know why I read these comments, anymore…

by johnshmidt on Jan 22, 2012 2:06 PM PST reply actions  

Matthews was guarding Stuckey for most of the game...

Perhaps Batum was expending energy on defense..which is more than Matthews can say.

by Natsthecat on Jan 22, 2012 7:52 PM PST up reply actions  

IMO this loss has to go on Wes or Nic...I also don't understand the hate/blame on Felton

This and the Raptor game were Felton’s best outings so far this year. While Brandon Knight had a solid game against Felton, our SG’s made Stuckey look like Dwade and both of them missed multiple wide open threes…Wes also added in a sprinkling of driving into the teeth of the defense…..1 on 3…..out of control….and turing the ball over so I think Wes deserves the most culpabilty for the L.

by Chris M 81 on Jan 22, 2012 8:43 PM PST up reply actions  

4 rebounds for Aldridge is a glaring stat.

I’ll go ahead and just be embarrassed for him. I don’t think he was covering the perimeter anymore than Batum was, who managed 9. You just have to want it more than that.

by heybabydrinkyourmilk on Jan 22, 2012 5:00 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

it was terrible

the only thing I can think of is he tends to be really careful now once he’s in foul trouble. Other than that 4 rebounds is ridiculously low even for him.

by poorwebguy on Jan 22, 2012 10:21 PM PST up reply actions  

trade mathews and felton for 1 good point guard that can get us out of 1st round.

by Danvegas on Jan 22, 2012 9:01 PM PST reply actions  

so why would a team give up a really good PG in this league for those two players?

To get an upgrade at PG your going to have to give wallace or more likely batum.

by Kazper on Jan 22, 2012 9:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Miami lost to the Bucks at home tonight

This season is really going to be a steaming pile

by poorwebguy on Jan 22, 2012 10:24 PM PST reply actions  

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