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What type of contract are you willing to offer Gerald Wallace going forwards?

With him not extending his contract for two years, I think Wallace is going to be able to demand a five year deal. The question is do we want to be overpaying Gerald in four or five years?

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Let it be said I LOVE the trade for him--it was probably more of a steal than the Gasol trade because Memphis got a pretty decent player out of the deal. His play this season is inspired. He feeds off of our fans in game more than any other Blazer that I have seen. As nice as his offensive numbers have been at home, he works at least that hard on the defensive end.

Now with that mini lovefest out of the way, I don't think we should re-sign him. He is going to be costly and I would be surprised if his play will not deteriorate significantly in the coming years. Paul Allen is still shelling out beaucoup bucks to a player who will never set foot on NBA hardwood dressed and ready to go again.

Wallace is clearly not a fit for the PNW like Roy and Crawford are either--he certainly seems to appreciate the Rose Garden and the team though.

TL;DR---------I don't want the Blazers to pay out the buttocks for five years and receive an aged sand slowed Gerald Wallace despite his passionate hardnosed (and frankly thrilling) play

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3 yr 36 mil

Seems fair in length and money.

by Fila429 on Jan 11, 2012 4:51 PM PST reply actions  

that's way overpaying him. $12 a year? It would I guess be a decent trade chip in 2 years

however, 4 years at $30-35 million would be a bargain.

$10mil for next year, then $6-8mil a year after that.

"I was a victim of a series of accidents, as are we all."

by thankyouforblaze on Jan 11, 2012 8:25 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

That sounds legit

as long as the price doesn’t go up as he gets older

The tensions are so high because the stakes are so low!

by tylercomp on Jan 13, 2012 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Frontloaded 4 years 48 million

With the 4th year being partially guaranteed and can become fully guaranteed with incentives.

The smarter you are, the more likely you are to be tripping balls at any given moment.
Bring Back Dre.

by gtbassett on Jan 11, 2012 5:00 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

Sounds fair and a good idea

Interesting on the incentives guaranteeing the 4th year. Although underperformance might be a way out.

Now all we need is the rest of the roster to get into "how can everybody help Nicco and Oden" mode. -- Oden Mad, Oden Smash! Sep 29, 2010 7:47 PM

by LaoTzu on Jan 11, 2012 5:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Does the CBA limits deals to 4 years, now?

Now all we need is the rest of the roster to get into "how can everybody help Nicco and Oden" mode. -- Oden Mad, Oden Smash! Sep 29, 2010 7:47 PM

by LaoTzu on Jan 11, 2012 5:31 PM PST reply actions  

I think he might be able to keep going at this level for about three or four years

as long as he can avoid the elbows, he hasn’t really had any real bad injuries that don’t involve other players hurting him.

Meanwhile, right now Wallace is key to the success we’ve been having this season and his energy on both sides of the floor just defines this team right now. when he plays well, we win every time. This team has pretty much just all reshaped itself in Crash’s image and now we’re looking at an exciting Blazer team that looks to be a competitor for a top 4 seed in the west, and an opportunity to coax another quality starter in free agency. as long as we don’t go overboard, I’d say we work to keep this guy a Blazer.

by YoniRap on Jan 11, 2012 5:34 PM PST reply actions  

I could deal with a 3 year deal like that,

which would overpay him a little, but still get him off the books after 3 years if he declines badly, or a nice trade chip in year 3

"I was a victim of a series of accidents, as are we all."

by thankyouforblaze on Jan 11, 2012 8:32 PM PST up reply actions  

something like this.

I feel like GW is one of the correctly compensated players in the NBA, and 3 years means he’ll still be worth something near 10-12 mil a year.

"Say his NAME, Portland. Gerald Wallace is...awesome." -Dave, 4/9/11

by austinpwnz on Jan 12, 2012 7:11 PM PST up reply actions  

5yr $48M...

The 5 years to lock him up and the $48m to allow for a little decline in the last year or two.

#7... GO BLAZERS!!!

by Ilikeemall on Jan 11, 2012 6:56 PM PST reply actions  

holy crap thats steep

4 years, 35 mil at most

"I was a victim of a series of accidents, as are we all."

by thankyouforblaze on Jan 11, 2012 8:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I hear what you're saying...

Hustle guys can burn out; and when he loses that step, he’ll be done. Still, he’s young enough, I think he could give you at least 3 more years of Crash play…

The big question is, will Nic’s play improve enough to one day surpass Crash’s?
And, how much less can you lock up Nico for that same time period?

Basically Crash is peaking right now, playing as well as he can. Nico, we hope, isn’t. So, does Nic’s trajectory rise, and intersect (and surpass) Crash’s in 2, 3 years? If we can get him for half of Crash’s price that’d be a good deal…

If he never becomes as good as Crash, and you have to pay him 70-80% of Crash’s numbers… maybe you let Nic walk…

I don’t think, unless they get a screaming deal for Nic, that you’ll see them retain both..

by Visionary1 on Jan 11, 2012 6:56 PM PST reply actions  

4 years is the best length I think

but we’ll probably have to offer 5. 4 yers $44M or 5 years $55M

by mynamehere1212 on Jan 11, 2012 6:59 PM PST reply actions  

wow

he will not be worth over $10mil after next year.

At best, a $8-9 mil a year contract for 4-5 years, or $10-11 mil for 3.

No way should we give him more than $40 million for any number of years.

"I was a victim of a series of accidents, as are we all."

by thankyouforblaze on Jan 11, 2012 8:35 PM PST up reply actions  

4 years $36-38 mil frontload

Wallace has a athletic play type but in a year or two its going to be gone so don’t overpay him but keep him around. i would give Batum 4 years $28

by Daddygr33nJeans on Jan 11, 2012 9:02 PM PST reply actions  

I agree with the max of $40 million, spread over four or five seasons

Ideally, we’d sign him for 3 years, $27-30 million, and sign Batum for 5 years, 30 million

by byronirvin on Jan 11, 2012 9:53 PM PST reply actions  

Nothing. Trade him to NO for Okafor. We get a center and make room for Batum to start.

Solves 2 problems. Crash will fade in another year or so.

"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jan 11, 2012 10:16 PM PST reply actions  

It will be too late at the end of the season. Wallace will opt out and then we can't trade him.

We end up with nothing for Crash, or we pay too much for too long to keep him.

I’d be looking at trading Felton for Nash too. Let’s see where that team takes us this year.

Nash – JC
Matthews – JC
Batum – Matthews
LA – Thomas – Smith
Okafor – Camby – LA

If necessary to do a Felton-Nash deal I’d add a Camby-Frye deal too. That still isn’t bad.

Nash – JC
Matthews – JC
Batum – Matthews
LA – Thomas – Frye – Smith
Okafor – LA – Thomas

"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jan 11, 2012 10:58 PM PST up reply actions  

nice ideas

though I’m not much of a fan of Frye. The thing is we lose continuity with the group we have if we lose Wallace.
Felton, not so much, but we really need to trade for a PG, as we obviously don;t know how to run a draft.

"I was a victim of a series of accidents, as are we all."

by thankyouforblaze on Jan 12, 2012 1:42 AM PST up reply actions  

I'd live with Frye for a while if it got us Nash for this season.

I think that would be a heck of team that could make a run this year. We would still be looking for a PG next summer, but we will anyway. Maybe Nash would play another year, maybe not. Either way, it would be better than Felton this year. Okafor has 2 years left (after this year) on his deal. It is expensive, but not crazy. I’d still try to bring over Freeland next summer.

I admire Wallace for what he does, but it’s all physical and effort. That is going to disappear quickly as he ages. He’s already up and down, and this schedule is going to take a toll on him as the year goes on. It’s a good time to deal him and make way for Batum.

"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jan 12, 2012 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

I think it is too early to consider such a possibility.

There is enough time to this year’s trade deadline.Let’s wait and see how the season will develop.

by prostofen on Jan 12, 2012 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd like to see it done now, so Batum has no reason not to extend.

Plus the sooner you do something the longer you have to prepare for the playoffs. The trade deadline really comes late this season.

"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jan 12, 2012 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Why is everyone concerned about his age?

“Wings don’t play well in thier 30’s” “His game is based on speed” blah, blah, blah.

Barring a serious injury, Gerald Wallace is going to age like Grant Hill and Shawn Marion. Both Hill and Matrix were athletic freaks, like Wallace. Also like Wallace, they were both tenacious, efficient, two-way players. And like Hill and Marion, Wallace will be an effective player into his 30’s. I’m not saying he’ll be the Crash we all know and love at 35, but he’ll still be at least as effective as Marion (who’s 33, not 35, but if Wallace signs a 4 year deal he’ll be 33 when it ends).

Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!

by HailOden! on Jan 11, 2012 10:27 PM PST reply actions  

well, I can only state how I feel, but he's due for chronic injuries in a couple years with

the way he throws his body around. He’ll get older and less efficient

"I was a victim of a series of accidents, as are we all."

by thankyouforblaze on Jan 11, 2012 10:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Two words: Manu Ginobilli

Chronic injuries? Check. Old as the hills? Check. Aggressive playing style? Check. Broken hand that will likely derail his team’s shot at one last title? Check. Still an elite player? Check.

There have got to be other similarly favorable comparisons. It’s not without risk, but where else are we going to get a player of Wallace’s caliber? I have a hard time buying that Batum is the answer (as much as I love the kid, I’ve given up on him being Scottie Pippen, or Reggie Miller’s offense combined with Tayshaun Prince’s D).

Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!

by HailOden! on Jan 12, 2012 8:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Wallace isn't a shooter

I don’t think his offensive style of play is anything like Hill or Marion… his defense will probably hold up like theirs though…

The tensions are so high because the stakes are so low!

by tylercomp on Jan 13, 2012 4:18 PM PST up reply actions  

3 yrs 30 mil

10% increase every yr. with a team option for the last year. This would be my ideal deal…

If not

3yr 30 mil
Front loaded
SO that at least you’ll be paying him at his prime instead when he declines.

by Hoi on Jan 11, 2012 10:51 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

The medical retirement for Roy

will be in effect and insurance will pick up a portion of his salary. However, we have a chess match to play now. Crawford, Wallace, Oden and Felton can all walk at the end of the season, and to keep them, we will have to not just make offers, but match competing offers. At the same time, the new CBA will increasingly penalize teams over the CAP, and even more so for those paying the luxury tax. Many fans want to keep both Batum and Wallace, understandably, but we also need a pivot, and Camby will be at the end of his contract, and we’ll have to decide if we resign him for several years as a backup. Then, we will also have to decide what to do with Oden. However, as much as some think that there will be more money around next summer to pay players like Crawford, I’m not so sure given the new CBA. As far as Wallace goes, I’d like to keep him. However, we may not have the luxury of keeping both Wallace and Batum, while deciding what to do with Felton, who we certainly need given we have no other PG, and what to do with Camby and Oden.

The one thing, however, to remember about Felton, Wallace and Crawford is that all three were either thoroughly shopped around the league, or shopped themselves, as in the case of Crawford. Wallace, for all of his skills, was traded for little more than a salary dump given no other team was willing to make a better offer last year. And that may mean that we don’t really have to pay any more than we are already paying, as every other team is debating the same issues we have, in addition is the fact that his style does not fit into many other teams, which is why no-one else made a meaningful offer last year. Felton also may find the same thing. Jordan did not get an abundance of offers for him, and Crawford found out that he couldn’t get the $8 million a year he wanted. So, it will become a chess match.

We may well sign both Batum and Wallace, assuming they want to sign and play here, but I wouldn’t be surprised that who actually stays is predicated on what we do at the pivot with Oden and Camby.

by ebenc on Jan 12, 2012 5:27 AM PST reply actions  

We need to trade Camby before the trade deadline this season.

To get our long term C. Okafor looks very available, and a package of Camby, Williams and a 2nd rounder should be able to get it done. Another possible option is Bogut, we’d have to give up a hell of a lot more to get Bogut, but considering how poorly Milwaukee is doing, I think he’s probably more available than most people think, especially if we’re willing to take on a bad contract of the Bucks’.

The smarter you are, the more likely you are to be tripping balls at any given moment.
/keep Batum/

by gtbassett on Jan 12, 2012 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

like bogut a lot but he has had an odd injury history

really nothing chronic, but one of those players that “stuff” seems to happen to

by utahcoyote on Jan 12, 2012 7:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I still think he should be our #1 target this season.

I’d give up anybody not named Aldridge or Wallace to make it happen. And i think we have a valuable trade chip with Milwaukee’s own local product Wesley Matthews. If we could work out some deal where we get Bogut as well as taking on a bad contract of Milwaukee’s such as Drew Gooden, Stephen Jackson or Beno Udrih I think we have the right combination of expiring contracts and young productive players to make a deal that makes sense for both parties.

The smarter you are, the more likely you are to be tripping balls at any given moment.
/keep Batum/

by gtbassett on Jan 13, 2012 2:35 AM PST up reply actions  

I'd rather trade Batum

for a center & try to make a run at a championship WITH Wallace. Because I think the odds are higher then trying to rebuild around Batum.

Paul Allen, the 2011 Trail Blazers Owner/GM

by 420Phenom on Jan 12, 2012 12:27 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Throw in Camby and you can get Okafor.

"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jan 12, 2012 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

You can get Okafor without giving up Batum.

Okafor’s salary is sightly bloated for his production. We could get him in a salary dump for a lot less than Batum, try Elliot Williams, 2nd round picks and Euro stashes instead. Camby and Batum is way too much to give up for Okafor.

The smarter you are, the more likely you are to be tripping balls at any given moment.
/keep Batum/

by gtbassett on Jan 13, 2012 2:37 AM PST up reply actions  

I've heard that for 2 years, but Okafor hasn't moved.

I think people under value what NO would give up for Okafor. His contract isn’t so bad now like it was a couple of years ago when there were 4 years left on it. I’d rather give up Wallace straight across for Okafor. But I would give up Batum and Camby for Okafor and a draft pick.

"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jan 13, 2012 1:33 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

A few years ago the Hornets were in win now mode.

The dynamic of their salary situation and overall direction as a franchise has changed. And Okafor is still overpaid. A salary dump makes sense. In my opinion, Chad should be on the phone with Dell Demps and John Hammond out in Milwaukee every day trying to get either Okafor or Bogut. I love Camby, and I love how he’s bounced back this season, but we need to look towards the future of our Center position.

The smarter you are, the more likely you are to be tripping balls at any given moment.
/keep Batum/

by gtbassett on Jan 13, 2012 1:37 PM PST up reply actions  

If NO was willing to do a salary dump deal, Okafor would already be gone.

His contract only has 2 years left after this year and although he is overpaid it isn’t awful. If anything, it is going to be harder to get Okafor now with the NBA running the show in NO.

Anyway, I think we should target Okafor and I’d give up Batum or Wallace for him. But if we trade Batum, Camby has to go to match salaries, which is ok with me since Camby walks this summer for nothing.

"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jan 13, 2012 1:44 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Maybe Gortat

The tensions are so high because the stakes are so low!

by tylercomp on Jan 13, 2012 4:19 PM PST up reply actions  

The Polish Hammer would be great

I don’t know what it would take to get him from the suns, but it might not be too difficult and his contract isn’t bad at all.

by YoniRap on Jan 14, 2012 4:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Nothing

This is the mistake that bad teams make, the over pay for mid level players, when they don’t have any true superstars on their team.

Look to win a title a team needs at least 1 superstar, bare minimum, but 2 has been the standard in history. (examples: Kobe/Gasol, Kobe/Shaq, Shaq/Wade, MJ/Pippen. Or one superstar teams like Dallas with Dirk, SA with Duncan) Of course there are exceptions like Detroit or the Celtic’s who had 3 aging super stars.

The Blazers have 1 possible superstar in LMA, no one else is close, or even has the potential to be close. (Some will say Batum or Oden, but come on, both have issues that won’t go away and will keep them from producing at a Kobe, Lebron, Dirk level.) So while they are a good team, and a fun team to watch this year, they should not pay these players to try and “keep it together”. Next year they will have the ability to clear a ton of cap space, and they should try to bring in someone to play with LMA, or to get high draft picks and use the draft to get those superstars, even if that meant trading LMA. No one on this team is untouchable.

Resigning Crash would be just like when the team had to resign Z-bo and Miles, it was a mistake and could be for seen as a mistake. Team fall for it all the time and pay big money to players who will not take them to the promise land, just look at Memphis and Rudy Gay.

I can only hope that the Blazers have learned their lesson from past mistakes and don’t resign any of the current players to large deals. Small workable deals much Crawford’s are the way to go, to buy time until you can trade, draft or sign a superstar that will propel this team to championship contention.

by usmcr3049 on Jan 12, 2012 12:29 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

A reasonable take

and it’s a big reason why the Spurs were able to compete for titles throughout the entire 2000s without going over the luxury tax. They found their core, and rather than pay a bunch to keep the rest of the rotation around, they let guys walk and replaced them with either young players or cheaper vets. Compare that to the Lakers, who immediately handed out big contracts to Walton, Vujacic, and Fisher (debatably worth it) once they were contending.

There’s a laundry list of guys that cycled through the Spurs that were good players who ended up getting paid and contributing elsewhere, but just weren’t important enough to SA to keep them no matter what. Sure, they probably would have had a better shot at winning more titles if they had keep Stephen Jackson, Speedy Claxton, Hedo, Beno Udrih, Nazr Mohammed, and Rasho Nesterovic, but they rightly determined that could get a similar level of production from much cheaper players as long as they had Duncan, Parker and Ginobili.

The difference between winning a title and not is almost never going to be your 5th or 6th best player, so you have to be willing to let that player leave or else you’ll be stuck with a bunch of bad contracts. If GW isn’t going to realistically give us a shot at winning a title over the course of his next contract, we should absolutely be willing to let him walk if the price isn’t right.

by Royster on Jan 12, 2012 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed!

"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jan 12, 2012 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

But don't let GW walk, trade him now for a quality piece and make room for Batum.

"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jan 12, 2012 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

absolutely

I would look to make a trade, using Wallace and other pieces to get a lottery pick or two if possible, even if the team had to take on some baggage. The team has the cap room coming up to take the hit, and I don’t think they should spend big in FA unless it is on a superstar, which I don’t see happening. So use that room to facilitate a trade, I loved the proposed deal the team was linked to allowing Howard to move to NJ. with Portland landing multiple picks.

They should be searching for another superstar to pair with LMA, that is best done through the draft with a small market team like Portland. They almost made it happen with LMA, Oden, and Roy, they need to understand that they did it right, even though injuries derailed the championship parade float.

by usmcr3049 on Jan 12, 2012 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

have thought that millsap would be a reasonably priced quality piece

wallace for millsap might get done as the jazz don’t believe millsap can play the 3 and they have favors and kanter in the wings,

personally, i think millsap is better than favors or millsap will ever be already, and he works so damn hard each summer getting better.

by utahcoyote on Jan 12, 2012 7:29 PM PST up reply actions  

he's definitely more of our second best player than our fifth best,

and he sort of sets the pace for this team’s success. we shouldn’t go overboard to keep him like memphis with gay or atlanta with joe johnson, but a good contract over three or four years would be something to think about. no way batum can make up for what wallace brings to this team.

by YoniRap on Jan 12, 2012 4:42 PM PST up reply actions  

3 years and $33 Million

$12M in the 1st year.
$11M in the 2nd
$10M in the 3rd

by FlyingOutlaw on Jan 12, 2012 3:22 PM PST reply actions  

7 years, $150 million

It ain’t my money.

Phase 1: Collect underpants
Phase 2: ???
Phase 3: Profit!

by HailOden! on Jan 12, 2012 8:24 PM PST reply actions  

I say let him fly

It will be time for Batum next season!!!

COMCAST SUCKS!!
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by shamman on Jan 12, 2012 8:28 PM PST reply actions  

I think Batum is doing fine

He doesn’t have the strength, or even possibly the skill (playing with a motor is a skill to me) to play like Wallace.

Joel Freeland=Stud

by hightide on Jan 15, 2012 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

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