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Blazersedge Mailbag: Things Every Fan Should Know

If you read Part 1 of the Mailbag just below, you'll know that people have been firing off interesting e-mails lately. I jauntily ran through all of that stuff in the earlier post, but I wanted to save this one for its own:

Dave,

Bring it on! Come on let us have it! People come at you and you're too polite. What would you say if you really let loose? Get on your soapbox and edumacate us!!!

Well, if you did read that post below you'll know that this is neither my mindset nor my purpose. But OK...I accept your challenge! If I were to let loose, here's my (at least 60% tongue-in-cheek) list of things every fan should know.

1. Every year some team with ultimately fatal (at least in terms of ultimate success) flaws gets off to a hot start. None of that team's fans ever think that's what's going on. Here's the handy rule: If you can't immediately identify that team and why, it's you.

Thank you Rounders and whichever poker player I'm too lazy to look up right now said that.

2. If a National Media Guy compliments your surprising start after six games and says you'll go far, he's probably hedging his bets so he can say he picked the eventual winner from the start. There's no penalty involved for doing so. Plus it behooves him to make every game and team involved seem as important as possible. Therefore before playoff seedings are actually determined every "surprise team could make good" compliment should be taken in the same vein as, "My, that's a cute baby!" It's not a lie. But there's a big difference between smiling and saying, "Thanks!" and immediately searching out the nearest modeling agency because your child is cuter than everybody else's and is definitely going to make you a million bucks.

2a. If you show up at that guy's house two months later and say, "Remember me? It's me and my really cute baby!" he's probably going to call security.

3. The National Media Guy who's an idiot when he says something critical about your team isn't suddenly a genius when he says something good. With 30 teams to cover and interested concentrated in just 2-3 there's a decent chance he hasn't seen your team play much either way.

4. Nobody should be able to compare anybody to the 2010-11 Dallas Mavericks unless:

  • That team has multiple players who have been to the NBA Finals before.
  • That team is led by a multi-time MVP candidate, preferably one who has won that honor.
  • The team has proven Hall-of-Famers on board.
  • The team finishes the season top-ten in offensive efficiency, defensive efficiency, and victory margin
  • The team's road record is as good as its home record.

5. Only franchises that haven't won and probably aren't going to win really care about early-season predictions and comparisons. The Lakers look down their collective noses at the rankings.

6. In fact only franchises that haven't won and probably aren't going to win get really excited about what happens in the first couple months of the season, period. It's like running great in the first two miles of a marathon: better than not, but if you're thinking about applause at that point you're screwed.

7. The All-Star team and other league honors don't matter too much unless you go deep in the playoffs.

8. Other than avoiding the dreaded injury bug, going deep in the playoffs isn't a matter of chance. If you say, "With the right circumstances we can make it" then you won't. Teams who make it are the ones who are dead sure they'll go even farther, who don't consider it a dream but their right.

9. How good you can play on the ideal night doesn't matter nearly as much as whether you can still win on your least ideal nights. If you can get taken out of your game you will be.

10. That holds true for individual players and their "potential" as well.

11. This is sports. Anything can happen. Better than being the team who says that, though, is being the team who just kicked the butt of the team who was saying that. That's how you'll know you made it.

11 is a really unsatisfactory number! Feel free to add your own tongue-in-cheek-ish observations below.

--Dave (blazersub@gmail.com)

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Its so sobering to read

I really like our team. It’s the best a small-market can ask for.
No, were not going to pull in a Dwight Howard, or a Deron Williams.
And it will be hard for us to compete with the Heat or Bulls.

But, were playing exciting basketball.
We should be happy we can root for guys that we like.

I would hate to have to root for a Kobe just because he was on my favorite team.

A lot of our Blazers I would root for if they were on different teams.
I know I rooted for Wallace for years.

We’re winning, we’re exciting and we’re likable.

Not much more I can ask for living in a small market.
Thank you Blazers.

by foxtrotportland on Jan 10, 2012 1:13 AM PST reply actions   3 recs

Maybe the hype

can convince one of those players to come though. That would actually be cool.

The issue would be who was left after we’d either traded for them or jettisoned enough salary to sign them. Chances are the team wouldn’t look recognizable anymore.

—Dave

by Dave on Jan 10, 2012 1:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Besides, don't be too sober!

This team is 6-2, about to be 7-2!

—Dave

by Dave on Jan 10, 2012 1:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Anything can happen

Chris Paul went to the Clippers.

So yeah I totally believe.

And yes, sometimes the team doesn’t look recognizable anymore.
But think about how many guys play in our rotation that we ACTUALLY drafted.

7-2 will be a great start.

That was just my tongue in cheek reaction to all that was mentioned.
I think this team has the capability to go far, I am just ecstatic by how they are playing right now

by foxtrotportland on Jan 10, 2012 1:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Also two words for you:

“Steve” and “Nash”.

—Dave

by Dave on Jan 10, 2012 1:43 AM PST up reply actions  

you think...

he loses a step, then throws down ten assists in the first quarter.

by foxtrotportland on Jan 10, 2012 2:29 AM PST up reply actions  

I turned this into a personal questionare

and identified myself on four points. Do I have a problem? :)

by thaisteve on Jan 10, 2012 1:22 AM PST reply actions  

Only 4 of 11?

Take a couple aspirin and call me after the playoffs. We have an 11 of 11 guy in our special “Fan Camp” as we speak. We feed him only baby carrots, let him out for fresh air for 5 minutes per day, and making him listen to tapes of John Hollinger speaking backwards.

—Dave

by Dave on Jan 10, 2012 1:25 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Um, I just reevaluated my questionaire and came up with 6, maybe 7,

evidence that I am unable to be honest with myself about my fandom. Does that place have carrot juice?

by thaisteve on Jan 10, 2012 7:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I hate, hate, hate the Dallas comparison.

If anything, Portland could be like the 2008-2009 Denver Nuggets and make a WCF run. That’s it, though.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Jan 10, 2012 1:32 AM PST reply actions  

I think we can go to the Finals, honestly.

That’s only because the West has no clear front-runner without issues. And its a short and wacky season.
Who can truly exploit our weaknesses in the west? Everyone is loving on OKC… but they don’t have an offensive inside presence (yet). We are set up to stop perimeter guys, and when Westbrook needs to step up, he often falters, and that could make the difference for our Blazers if we faced them in a series. Memphis, who was absolutely frightening during the playoffs last year, might not even make the top-8, and they’re the toughest match-up for us. Dallas isn’t as done as many people think, but without Chandler, they’re fallible, and beatable. Chandler beat us, not Dirk. (Ok so Kidd killed too). Denver has all the young pieces, but they need one or two of those young bigs to step up to help Nene out before they’re solid contenders, even giving Lawson and Gallinari the benefit of the doubt. The scariest team is the one with the most issues right now, the Lakers. Kobe is the key there… if he wakes up and realizes he needs to slow down and pick his battles, they’ll go far. If not, they’re beatable too. I’m just saying, that inside presence we so obviously lack that is our achilles heel? Aldridge has shown he can step up to the plate from time to time and take it low. That’s better than a lot of teams can say about their weaknesses. Do we win a title this year? I highly doubt it. Do we make the Finals, probably not, but its definitely possible. If they can add a swagger to what they’re doing, they can demand the WCF, and they can take it. All that said… no we don’t have Kidd, Terry, Dirk or Chandler. And no, we don’t have Chauncey, the Wallaces, and Tayshaun, a comparison a bit more accurate. We have a flawed team, in a flawed year, and even when we’re hot we’re lacking that extra oomph. I just don’t see anyone else in the west with it either.

by avalancheman on Jan 10, 2012 3:08 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

This is definitely the year for a surprise team to make the Finals from the West

A streak of hot shooting could put the Blazers there. The only problem is the two best teams in the league are in the East and I don’t see the Blazers toppling either Chicago or Miami in a 7 game series.

But yeah, this is the Blazers’ best shot (as currently constructed) at a deep playoff run. I certainly wouldn’t complain.

#7

by Magnum on Jan 10, 2012 3:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, Portland matches up poorly with Miami and Chicago.

Of all the Western Conference teams, the only one that I can see giving Miami trouble is the Lakers.

Los Angeles has got the size in Andrew Bynum and Pau Gasol, which Miami can’t match. If focused, T.A.F.K.A. Ron Artest could possibly take LeBron James off his game some. Can’t stop LBJ, but may be able to contain him. At point guard, Miami doesn’t have anyone who could fully exploit the Lakers’ weakness there. Although Mario Chalmers and Norris Cole are nice, they’re not world beaters.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Jan 10, 2012 3:52 AM PST up reply actions  

And that's really the crux of it

Sure, I can squint my eyes and imagine the Blazers bucking historical trends to win the West, but even if that happens, I don’t see any way that either Miami or Chicago wouldn’t murder us at that point.

by Royster on Jan 10, 2012 7:31 AM PST up reply actions  

If the Blazers get that far...

it may be for a good reason.
So at that point, I think it is more likely they would win than it is that they get to that point in the first place.
Never know…LeBron may fade, Noah may be out with an injury….

by Natsthecat on Jan 10, 2012 9:32 AM PST up reply actions  

I think we match up pretty good

GW on Lebron
LMA on Bosh
D Wade is too good!
Don’t you think Gerald could give Lebron the same problems as Stevenson did. And GW is about as big as Lebron and has an offensive game.
Batum would guard him and Dwade as a decent backup
We got J Craw off the bench. Battier is aging. Miami’s bench is a hyped up norris cole.
Bring out the Oden in time for the finals!
Hey… in a perfect world…
In a getting more perfecter world, OKC loses Maynor to any western team’s advantage…

by johnshmidt on Jan 10, 2012 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

LBJ would manhandle Batum

Remember what Dirk did last year with Nic on him in the playoffs?

"Coach said to always be careful around Greg, because Greg costs a lot and even the slightest amount of basketball can damage him." -- The Onion

by RedUniInLA on Jan 10, 2012 9:57 AM PST up reply actions  

We did a horrendous job of defending them

when we played them after we acquired GW. We did beat them due to a dominant performance on the offensive glass and some serious stinginess with the ball, but that was a win due to offense (Brandon had a pretty crazy efficient game as well), not defense. Presumably Miami will have a healthy Haslem and won’t be starting a geriatric like Dampier should we meet them in the finals, so our advantages are largely gone there.

But really the scary thing about Miami now is that they’ve been crushing people while Wade has been mediocre at best. Both him and Bosh can still legitimately play much better, so even though this will no doubt be balanced out by Lebron coming down somewhat from his current insane play, there’s still room for improvement with that team.

by Royster on Jan 10, 2012 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Stevenson did okay against Lebron

But it was a combo of Chandler and Kidd that REALLY took the heat out of their game. Kidd guarding Lebron looked ridiculous for those few minutes but it was amazingly effective. If Lebron can’t drive into the paint, he’s not a star… that said, it requires a really good off-ball defender in the paint to keep him out.

by avalancheman on Jan 10, 2012 1:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Great post Dave..

As solid as fun to watch as this years team is, it does feel like the all-in homers could use a little ground for their feet every so often. Also, Go Blazers! Feelin’ 2nd round at least this year.

by 503 on Jan 10, 2012 1:34 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Why the hate for the 10-11 Dallas Mavericks comparisons?

by ap3604 on Jan 10, 2012 1:40 AM PST reply actions  

Serious question?

Or was that tongue-in-cheek?

—Dave

by Dave on Jan 10, 2012 1:43 AM PST up reply actions  

That'd make for an interesting comment or even a post.

A quick recap on the differences between last year’s Mavs and this year’s Blazers.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Jan 10, 2012 2:11 AM PST up reply actions  

I think this post pretty much covers the differences..

and more…
The attitude is what I would like to see change…more MJ fire type attitude. Not the “oh, there are going to be bad games…and we were so tired…”
I didn’t like Brandon’s attitude either…when he said after the first loss last year “that it is good to get that out of the way”…may not be exact quote but something very similar.
The guy was an amazing closer but when I heard that I was not happy.

by Natsthecat on Jan 10, 2012 6:33 AM PST up reply actions  

I think he did
4. Nobody should be able to compare anybody to the 2010-11 Dallas Mavericks unless:

That team has multiple players who have been to the NBA Finals before.
That team is led by a multi-time MVP candidate, preferably one who has won that honor.
The team has proven Hall-of-Famers on board.
The team finishes the season top-ten in offensive efficiency, defensive efficiency, and victory margin
The team’s road record is as good as its home record.

The only thing we can hope for are the last 2/5 points. And we’re not on pace for the last one.

by Z-Bones on Jan 10, 2012 8:26 AM PST up reply actions  

so no, no, no, maybe, and no

then again our home record is better than standard, so our road record wouldn’t need be quite as good as our home, but regardless we haven’t proven we can win consistently on the road yet

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Jan 10, 2012 9:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Easier to be rational, Dave, then to have faith

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Jan 10, 2012 2:34 AM PST reply actions  

No its not.

I have no idea why people say that… keeping faith, on the other hand, through adversity, I’ll grant you that. But having faith? Easiest thing in the world. Being rational while the world around you is exploding in praise for what you love… that’s darn hard.

by avalancheman on Jan 10, 2012 2:54 AM PST up reply actions  

No it's not.

Rational people often to get bombarded with derision and scorn from the people who claim faith is on their side. For proof, look no further than the flock of Tim Tebow fanatics.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Jan 10, 2012 2:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Rational thinking is way easier.

Two plus two is four. No other possibility is there. That’s a very comforting thought. Dealing with thoughts like, justice, love, and the Blazers in a rational way is subjective. It’s like saying, “I can tell that you are on the road to Shamballa”.

by Kevlar Rocket on Jan 10, 2012 3:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Easy for you because you see rationality as an easy concept.

Maybe you’re even a true “Rational” like I am, in the Myers-Briggs personality sorting sense. Statistically speaking though, the “Radionals” of the world are a minority in the overall population. For other people, rationality is not easy and using faith to accept a worldview that is handed down to you by somebody else is the only backstop against fear and indecisiveness. That’s not a ding against people who drive their decision making by relying on others. It’s just the only way that a lot of people make it through the day with their sanity.

In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice they're not.

by conspirator5 on Jan 10, 2012 3:18 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

"rational" people often think that it is irrational to have faith.

The two aren’t mutually exclusive or opposites at all. Skeptical might be a little closer and that’s not a good fit. And it certainly isn’t synonymous with rational.

by Z-Bones on Jan 10, 2012 8:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Despite what Economics preaches, there's no such thing as a rational person

People can be rational or not depending on circumstances

"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein

by Decaf on Jan 10, 2012 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

FTFY

Despite what Economics preaches, there’s no such thing as a rational person. universal human motivation.

Rationally driven people exist. Emotionally driven people exist. Action driven people exist, and tradition driven people exist. They all make decisions in different ways, and we often fail to draw proper conclusions in the fields of economics, sociology, etc. because we try to reduce clusters of variation into a universial median.

Any cook can tell you there is a difference between vegetable stew and vegetable puree. Most social scientists are trained to assume the two are identical.

In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice they're not.

by conspirator5 on Jan 10, 2012 3:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Everyone has 'faith' in some things

Starting with math, the model of logic, The first thing they teach you are the ‘axioms’ or ‘postulates’, which are unproven assumptions on which you base later conclusions. You accept these on ‘faith’. There are lot’s of other basic unproven assumptions that people base their understanding of the world on, often without even recognizing them. Of course a significant consideration in evaluating ones ‘axioms’ is the kind of results they obtain from the logical implications. Results matter. What one believes certainly effects success and satisfaction, are you in harmony with ‘reality’ or not. Certainly there are lots of ignorant people mocking ‘truth’.

Somewhere Michael Jordan is smiling at Gerald Wallace Blazer highlights.

by Berkeley on Jan 10, 2012 11:28 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Did you see Nicolai Lobachevsky on TNT the other night?

In defiance of Playfair’s axiom, he drew several parallels between the Blazers and last year’s Mavericks in predicting that Portland would win it all!

"You can walk away from someone who doesn’t love you. And you can walk away from someone you don’t love. But when the love is mutual," Roy said. "The hardest thing is to walk away."

by Glide22 on Jan 10, 2012 2:35 PM PST up reply actions  

then again

People of faith often to get bombarded with derision and scorn from the people who claim rationality is on their side. For proof, look no further than the flock of Tim Tebow haters.

Somewhere Michael Jordan is smiling at Gerald Wallace Blazer highlights.

by Berkeley on Jan 10, 2012 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Even if you stripped away the off-field stuff surrounding Tebow, I'd still hate his game.

Take Jake Locker, who I don’t think much of as a NFL QB. I’m saying that as a UW fan, too.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Jan 10, 2012 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

cool, I have not been following the NFL at all lately

so I really have no clue about his game. I just notice the media hype, which, of course is not terribly reliable.

Somewhere Michael Jordan is smiling at Gerald Wallace Blazer highlights.

by Berkeley on Jan 10, 2012 12:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Tebow inspires hate in a couple ways

Not only by being a generally terrible quarterback (his great playoff win notwithstanding) who inexplicably wins, but also due to the cult of Tebow, which isn’t so much of a religious thing as much as fans just being obsessed with the indomitable will or some such who completely ignore his flaws(I have plenty of non-religious friends who are obsessed with Tim Tebow, so calling it a religious thing rings false to me). Vince Young would be an example of a QB hated for the former reason, and Brett Favre would be an example of the latter given that no matter how poorly he played, it would always just get written off as him being a gunslinger or some such.

Weirdly, Allen Iverson is an almost parallel example in the NBA who would always get praised for his “heart” and “desire to win” as he was repeatedly shooting his team out of games.

by Royster on Jan 10, 2012 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think this comment and its replies are long for this thread, but...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases

It’s incredibly difficult to be rational when our brains are so prone to errors and bias. It’s easy to fall victim to irrationality. It’s easy to believe in something that makes you feel good.

#7

by Magnum on Jan 10, 2012 2:59 AM PST up reply actions  

This is true.

I feel that the big thing is to try and be aware of when you’re being irrational. For example, I predict good things for the Spurs in an irrational way partly ’cause the rational side of me realizes that Oklahoma City is the most likely to win the West.

When rooting for the Seahawks this season, I was hoping for a playoff berth. Yet, in the back of my mind, I realized the likelihood of that happening was slim. So, even though I thoroughly enjoyed the Seahawks mini-run, keeping things in perspective helped me temper my expectations as the season went to pot in Week 16.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Jan 10, 2012 3:13 AM PST up reply actions  

On the other hand

The Blazers have started well (as opposed to the Seahawks, who did not) – and it is much easier to break the Blazers down than it is to rationalize why they could win it all.

A play on words, admittedly – and a small tease in light of Dave’s profession – but the point is that sometimes the mix is greater than the sum of its parts. Seeing that requires faith – and isn’t easy at all.

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Jan 10, 2012 4:51 AM PST up reply actions  

"it is much easier to break the Blazers down than it is to rationalize why they could win it all."

I was looking at it more like viewing the Seahawks chance of making the postseason versus the Blazers chance of a deep playoff run. I’d estimate the Trail Blazers odds of winning the Western Conference this season is probably close to that of the Seahawks odds for reaching the playoffs as a Wild Card team entering Week 16 against San Francisco. Entering Week 16, I recall that the Seahawks odds at a Wild Card berth were around 10%. For Portland, I presume that its odds of making the NBA Finals are also around 10%. A 1/10 shot of Portland making it to the NBA Finals is reasonable.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Jan 10, 2012 6:19 AM PST up reply actions  

It is reasonable if they fire up their attitudes. So much of what it takes to be

a champion is that mind set that this is what they deserve.

Teams who make it are the ones who are dead sure they’ll go even farther, who don’t consider it a dream but their right.

The above statement, to me…is the one that really hit home.

by Natsthecat on Jan 10, 2012 6:37 AM PST up reply actions  

however, i suppose that the f@krs were dead sure they'd advance last year.

thus, being sure may fall into the “necessary but not sufficient” category.

by williamswonder on Jan 10, 2012 8:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Well, maybe to put it another way

You have to be great and you have to be lucky (there are matchups, injuries, etc) but the PLAYERS have to BELIEVE that they belong at the championship game as a prerequisite to get there. Not everyone who has the talent and mindset will make it, but if you don’t have both, you’re for sure not getting there.

by Z-Bones on Jan 10, 2012 9:06 AM PST up reply actions  

I'd disagree that it's easier to do either one

At a superficial level, it’s easy either way. It’s not hard to blindly believe good things will happen for the Blazers, nor it is it hard to blindly believe the inverse. Delving into the analysis is where things get difficult, but even there, it’s not like it’s difficult to wipe away concerns either way with a simple “assuming…”.

And let’s not forget how the audience factors in. Someone may be mocked by a national audience for having blind faith in the Blazers, but the opposite would probably be true at BE. As Dave pointed out in the previous point, it’s always easiest to go along with the consensus and depending on who you’re talking to, that will differ.

by Royster on Jan 10, 2012 8:20 AM PST up reply actions  

It is equal

It is hard to be faithful when you are bombarded with realities and rationality.
It is hard to be rational when you have bias feelings of always being right or bombarded with “faithful-anything is possible”

hg

by BBK on Jan 10, 2012 7:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Whew

I am so glad that the Jazz have us completely covered on number 1.

Wait a second, all of Utah knows their hot start is a bit of a joke…uh oh…

Wait, I am so glad that the Clippers have us completely covered on number 1.

"We Believe" - Rudy Fernandez

by TheGreatMon on Jan 10, 2012 3:06 AM PST reply actions  

Nuggets?

or Philly. Frankly, we have the role player power championship teams want, we just don’t have the star power that is a prerequisite. We are the 10-11 Spurs with a stronger defense and a much younger, but more flawed PF. Fools gold, perhaps, but number 1 probably isn’t us.

by avalancheman on Jan 10, 2012 3:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Agree sorta

Me and a friend were talking about this last night. He was never really underrated by the real basketball community, other players and coaches. But when it came to fans, he is criminally underrated. He has stats matching B Roy but over an entire freaking career.

"We Believe" - Rudy Fernandez

by TheGreatMon on Jan 10, 2012 3:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I think that a few things had to do with Manu being underrated by casual fans in general.

1. He played in a small market.
2. He was a foreign-born player.
3. He played in an era with all-time great shooting guards in Kobe Bryant and Dwyane Wade.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Jan 10, 2012 3:46 AM PST up reply actions  

His play style is also not nearly as flashy

and his defense is very effective, but uses quite a bit of “trickery” which to a casual fan seems dirty. How many people have you heard call him “a great actor” or a “flopper”? The guy gets it done, and uses the whole rule book, for that he should be praised not criticized, but this is America.

by avalancheman on Jan 10, 2012 3:49 AM PST up reply actions  

To add to that, I he's overshadowed some by Tim Duncan and, to a lesser extent, ...

Tony Parker, who’s the more “flashy” guard in San An.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Jan 10, 2012 3:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Was he really underrated?

Everyone I know raves about the guy. Obviously a small sample size compared to basketball fans across the country or even the world, but still. I never had an inkling that he was considered anything but really flippin good for the past several seasons.

by Z-Bones on Jan 10, 2012 9:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Also I'm an idiot

for just rehashing what you just said. I need to actually read comments before commenting on them…

by Z-Bones on Jan 10, 2012 9:12 AM PST up reply actions  

There's another issue at work here:

Many casual fans awareness are heavily driven by off-court promotional activities. Of which there are many, but the 800lb gorilla here is:

shoe ads.

Bottom line, if somebody @ Nike or Addidas thinks you’re sexy in a national 30 second spot, then BLAMMO, you get star power. While it’s generally true that superstar-level players and shoe ads go together, there are 2nd tier guys that get a lot more endorsement attention than others. Market size and the superstar you play behind are as or more important at that point than talent. To me, Gerald Wallace is an example of a guy who should generate TONS of endorsement attention. His watchability is huge, but his Kings/Bobcats heritage is not what marketers are looking for.

In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice they're not.

by conspirator5 on Jan 10, 2012 3:33 PM PST up reply actions  

he just needs some good playoff time

giving him some national attention, say, stopping Durant or Kokie, with following complements from the frustrated competition. Maybe this year.

Somewhere Michael Jordan is smiling at Gerald Wallace Blazer highlights.

by Berkeley on Jan 10, 2012 6:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Also about flopping and other tricks

I am not a big fan of flopping and most people aren’t. But you don’t get mad at the players for utilizing the rules. You get mad at the rules. It’s the player’s job to use the rules to get any advantage for the team possible.

by Z-Bones on Jan 10, 2012 9:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Indiana too

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Jan 10, 2012 9:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

I thought that too!

—Dave

by Dave on Jan 10, 2012 11:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Everybody needs a Dave

As someone who appreciates thoughts, I thank you for what you do. Sure, people don’t agree about basketball, life, etc. Of course we don’t, and thank goodness.
I admire your emotional strength. You speak your opinions to the public with your real name and face, and deal with the weather. That takes a lot.

by Kevlar Rocket on Jan 10, 2012 3:24 AM PST reply actions  

Dave is not really a cat

in case you thought that was his real face

by blazerblaze on Jan 10, 2012 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

don't ruin it!

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Jan 10, 2012 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

come on, if Dave was really a cat

I think we all know he wouldn’t be that soft and cuddly looking.
maybe more like this;
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_dBVGUBkK6Eg/SbxSgNqAFjI/AAAAAAAACFU/IYFT9RS3dnU/s400/strange+mustaches2.jpg

and I’m just being nice with that

by blazerblaze on Jan 10, 2012 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Where did you get

my driver’s license photo????

—Dave

by Dave on Jan 10, 2012 12:50 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

The cops passed it around after capturing this security footage:


from a failed break in attempt.

Disclaimer: There is a high chance this comment contains sarcasm, so please just chill out, relax, and have a nice l@ker hating day.

by postup on Jan 10, 2012 4:49 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

That right there

should be titled: The Brandon Roy Era. The far ledge represents a title.

—Dave

by Dave on Jan 10, 2012 5:02 PM PST up reply actions  

and the cat now has two legs

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Jan 10, 2012 11:00 PM PST up reply actions  

So what !

You’re trying to tell sports fans to be rational…why?

For that I’ll look at politics – no, wait.
I’ll look at The Market – mmm, maybe not.
I’ll look at my net worth – oh that’s encouraging.
I’ll look at the economy – oops.
I’ll look at world events – hmmm.
I’ll look at the oral surgery I need but can’t afford.

On second thought, I’ll just stupidly enjoy the Blazers great start.

This is sports, Dave. That’s all.

by HiPo Steve on Jan 10, 2012 3:39 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Or his next door neighbor.

You know, the quiet guy with the unlisted phone number. He never embarasses himself drunk dialing or doing donuts in the parking lot, but he talks too much, eats junk food, and he always looks like he’s got allergies or something.

In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice they're not.

by conspirator5 on Jan 10, 2012 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

#12: sports are entertainment so enjoy it!

#13: just win baby!

is 13 a better number to end on?

by SaveOden on Jan 10, 2012 5:55 AM PST reply actions  

Here's a simple question for everyone:

What do y’all think are Portland’s odds of winning the Western Conference to reach the NBA Finals this year?

I say it’s a 10-to-1 shot. 1 out of 10. 10%.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Jan 10, 2012 6:24 AM PST reply actions  

Not an expert on odds.

I do think this season is an aberration.
I think it will depend a ton on attitude. Even the injury thing. I think sometimes injuries happen due to unconscious processes/mind sets.

by Natsthecat on Jan 10, 2012 6:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Sportsbook.com is giving the Blazers +700

Which is essentially 7:1 odds. Vegas is probably playing a little to the hype of this team (which is obviously what they should do). But I would say 10-to-1 is probably right around where they should be.

by McSuck on Jan 10, 2012 7:27 AM PST up reply actions  

I'll take those odds

the important thing is that there’s a chance. At least we can hope for postseason success. Many teams are basically pre-determined to miss the playoffs, or if you’re in the east run into MIA/CHI come playoff time. The west is open and we’re good enough to make it interesting. That’s all I can ask for from a season that almost didn’t happen on the heels of Roy’s retirement and Oden’s continued injury struggles. I think it’s quite remarkable actually. It’s not ideal, but given recent history from both a team and league perspective, I’ll gladly take it.

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Jan 10, 2012 8:38 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I think around 8-to-1 against

but then again, I fully expect Bynum to be injured, or at least hobbling come playoff time due to the rigors of this season. And without a healthy Bynum… I know its bad to expect certain injuries but the guy’s history is just too compelling. Healthy, Lakers are the team to beat. Hobbled, Thunder are. I don’t have any belief in Dallas in the playoffs this year, despite Kidd, Terry and Dirk. And the Clippers still have a ways to go.

by avalancheman on Jan 10, 2012 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm actually not convinced that the Lakers, if healthy, are the team to beat in the WC

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Jan 10, 2012 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

For pulling random numbers out of your butt...

I think 10% is as good as anything. We’re early enough in the season that random events can dramatically push the needle in one direction or another. Ask again when somebody more important in the west than Eric Maynor has a season-ending injury.

In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice they're not.

by conspirator5 on Jan 10, 2012 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I love your honest take on the Blazers Dave

Its nice to read an in depth analysis of the team you love from someone who really knows them, without it stinking of homerism. But how about you say something like Go Blazers at the end, just so we know what team you are rooting for. Keep doing what you’re doing, GO BLAZERS!

by McSuck on Jan 10, 2012 7:24 AM PST reply actions  

Our second best player, and energetic floor leader,

hasn’t scored in our two losses. That’s not good. We have one reliable ball handler, and he turns it over sometimes, seemingly just for kicks. That’s not good. Our pillar in the post has to muster up an exotic amount of will just to not get pushed around. That’s not good enough. Our team is fun to watch and hard working, but lacking in the skill required to weather the storms to come. That’s fine with me! I’m going go enjoy this season, but don’t expect a team with little post game and poor outside shooting to eliminate a top 4 seed.

/s

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Jan 10, 2012 7:46 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Why is Chris Paul driving around Ben Stiller?

Why is Ben Stiller dressed up like a baker?

Why is he on fire?

I need answers.

"You can walk away from someone who doesn’t love you. And you can walk away from someone you don’t love. But when the love is mutual," Roy said. "The hardest thing is to walk away."

by Glide22 on Jan 10, 2012 7:51 AM PST reply actions  

I can safely say i hate this lastest ad

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Jan 10, 2012 8:11 AM PST up reply actions  

The ad that I think is odd is the KIA ad.

Kia? the NBA’s official car?
How do most of the NBA players even FIT into those cars?
And I think I heard Griffen use the F word in the ad!
What word is it that sounds just like the F word?

by Natsthecat on Jan 10, 2012 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

I have a 2009 KIA Spectra

and the seat is all the way back and I’m 5’9"

by XBlazerfan on Jan 10, 2012 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

My dislike for Blake Griffin is solidifying due to the KIA commercials

Plus his eyes are too close together…makes him look wonky

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Jan 10, 2012 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

When a Clipper fan commented in the pre-game post..

He said that Blake Griffen and CP3 are better than any of our players. I listed the reasons why Griffen is not better than LMA and included “LMA is better looking than Blake Griffen.”
Should also say that LMA wouldn’t be caught dead in no stinkin KIA.

by Natsthecat on Jan 10, 2012 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Speaking as a "green" type who likes economical cars...

Give me LMA in a big ole pickup truck full of basketballs than BG in a Kia anything.

Look, Korea makes some fine cars. None of them are made by Kia. My favorite part of the All-Star Kia add wasn’t even BG jumping over it. It was Baron Davis rising out of the sun roof with that silly grin on his face. You could tell he had fun with that.

In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice they're not.

by conspirator5 on Jan 10, 2012 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

the one you can read in the add

Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

by blacknoiseNW on Jan 10, 2012 10:29 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

funk (fʌŋk)
— n
informal a type of polyrhythmic Black dance music with heavy syncopation

by Corvid on Jan 10, 2012 10:39 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Don't forget

The word “funk” also means “a foul smell”

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Jan 10, 2012 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Preach it brotha

(sista?)

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Jan 10, 2012 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, my bubble just got burst.

"Jumper-free throw-free throw-alley oop-jumper-post move-oh please stop hurting us LaMarcus!" -Dave 2/14/11

by Kroes32 on Jan 10, 2012 7:57 AM PST reply actions  

Usually I like your articles

This one is awful. But let’s see if i get the gist.

1-10:There is only a couple teams capable of winning and anyone smart enough knows that from the start and who they are.
11:Unless that doesn’t happen.

As Barkley would say,“Turrible, just turrible.”

LaMarcus Aldridge All-Star 2011-2012.

by Eat Politicians on Jan 10, 2012 8:31 AM PST reply actions   3 recs

All true, I guess.

Just gets a little disheartening when it starts seeming like the lion’s share of what I read here is well-reasoned arguments of why we should doubt any hope or chance of (ultimate) success. I guess somebody has to keep everybody in check, but part of me says if this (admittedly good) analyis is going to be the thrust of my reading here, I might have more fun if just stick my head in the sand and watch the games.

Hate to say it but Eat Politcians’ summation is kinda how I read it. I walk away from a fatalist approach like this thinking, “Did he just convince me that it’s not worth bothering even watching basketball unless you’re Miami or the Lakers?” The danger of working hard to convince people not to care is that it might work.

by Dunemonkey on Jan 10, 2012 8:37 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

Right on
The danger of working hard to convince people not to care is that it might work.

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Jan 10, 2012 9:08 AM PST up reply actions  

If Oden steps on the court this year

all this rational thinking will go out the window.

by XBlazerfan on Jan 10, 2012 9:12 AM PST up reply actions  

I really disagree about the Miami/Laker thing

I’m not sure why people seem to think that these things are static. Sure, ever since the Gasol trade, the Lakers haven’t been concerned too much about the early regular season, but before that, you bet they would worry about it since their team as constructed hadn’t made any playoff noise. Now, not so much. Same with Boston before they won the 2008 title (even that season had a whole bunch of questions), same with Miami before the Decision, same with Chicago before Rose.

Sure, there are probably only 6-7 teams in any given year that can say they have a legit chance to win the title, but those teams change every year. For most of the previous decade Detroit was a shoo-in for that group. Now, not so much. OKC and Chicago were nowhere near title contenders before the last year or two (at least since the mid-90’s). Cleveland was definitely in it with Lebron, but now are nowhere close. Depending on the presence of Shaq/Lebron, Miami has either been a shoo-in or completely off the radar.

So yeah, in a given year, your team might not have a realistic title shot, but there’s nothing stopping any team from entering that group over a 2-3 year time span.

by Royster on Jan 10, 2012 9:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Me too. The world is in flux.

Sure, there’s not as much chance as the parity in the NFL allows, but things can and do turn around in time. OKC and Chicago are great examples and they were nothing but potential not so long ago. And we can’t forget that things go the other way too making room for those new possibilities.

by Dunemonkey on Jan 10, 2012 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

"Did he just convince me that it’s not worth bothering even watching basketball unless you’re Miami or the Lakers?"

We may as well scratch off the Lakers, too. The Miami Heat are the clear-cut favorites by a mile this season.

That said, there are some teams with an outside shot — ranging from the Bulls to the Thunder, as much as it pains me to credit OKC — while watching things play out is part of the fun. Money is on Miami, though, and with good reason.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Jan 10, 2012 9:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, Miami is definitely the team to beat, and I didn't necessarily mean the Lakers this year.

I was just using the Lakers as an example (don’t care about the first couple months of the season or early season predictions, already arrived, turn their noses up at teams who say “anything can happen”, etc. – Dave’s characteristics of a real championship team as opposed to the doomed hopefuls).

by Dunemonkey on Jan 10, 2012 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

If watching is itself dependent on being a legitimate contender.

(Not intended as a direct reply to you AK)

Then no, don’t watch. You are setting yourself up for dissapointment MOST of the time, even if you are a fan of a perennially contending team like the L@kers. I mean, they have won a lot of championships, but have they won >50% of all the championships, ever? No, right?

OTOH, if your need to watch is dependent on believing your team has a shot at rings, then don’t worry about rational analysis. Just keep on truckin and drink heavily when the eventual dissapointment sets in.

I think at least with respect to basketball, there are four engines of successful fandom:

1. You enjoy the game itself as pure visual spectacle or because you’re an amateur baller yourself.

2. You are a die-hard homer whose fandom is a reflection of your love for a larger community.

3. You are a die-hard bandwagoner who rotates from one superstar to the next.

4. You are using the small-market perennial also-ran you follow as a voodoo doll that you can pin all your negative emotions on.

I’m pretty sure most message board haters fall into one of the last two categories.

In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice they're not.

by conspirator5 on Jan 10, 2012 3:55 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I wasn't literally saying I wouldn't watch (see my post below).

I was just trying to make the point that analyzing ourselves out of any hope of contention (and the jist seems to be playoff success in general, not just the championship) seems over the top to me considering some of the good things we’re seeing. I don’t have to be a die-hard homer with blinders on to think there may still be hope of a playoff victory or two with some of the success we’ve seen thus far and most of the season yet to play out. I just think I can have a little more fun watching the next 58 games without having already lost the first round of the playoffs in my mind. I don’t think it’s that outlandish a stretch to boot.

by Dunemonkey on Jan 10, 2012 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

No you're right, I agree with that.

But I think this gets to the point of where Dave is trying to make his distinction. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with hoping we can contend in the postseason. I do hope we can contend in the postseason. I do have reasonably hopeful scenarios in my mind that take us to the WCF. For example, I’m fairly confident our current roster can beat OKC in a 7 game series. However I don’t expect us to make the WCF, or even the 2nd round. If we get swept in the first, I will feel dissapointed, but not robbed.

I do expect us to make the playoffs. There’s only so far I can lower the bar without deliberately lying to myself. If we fail to make the playoffs this year, I’m going to be mad and I’m going to need a punching bag at that point.

In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice they're not.

by conspirator5 on Jan 10, 2012 6:38 PM PST up reply actions  

More to the point

One person’s hope shouldn’t cause him or her to bag on other people who share a more moderate hope. That’s not hope, that’s fear…having to shout down or accuse that with which you do not agree. Nobody ever shouts when someone asserts the sky is blue. Only that which is held firmly in the mind but tentatively in real life requires such protestations.

Everyone should hope. I do and will, now and later. The litmus test of the helpfulness of said hope is whether you are able to hold onto it while also participating well in other kinds of discussions, including analysis.

—Dave

by Dave on Jan 10, 2012 10:32 PM PST up reply actions  

So you're only watching because you think we have a good chance at a title this year?

Otherwise, you’re done?

I can think of many reasons to watch a team besides the high likelihood that they win a title that year.

by zbrum on Jan 10, 2012 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

high likelihood isn't important

it’s the existence of any likelihood that matters

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Jan 10, 2012 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Sure, which is why I watched the Seattle Seahawks this season.

A chance is a chance. Though, I’d’ve happily watched the team even if it’d been in the Andrew Luck sweepstakes.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Jan 10, 2012 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

that's just a different type of goal with a different type of likelihood

but the hope of accomplishing that goal still exists and still makes it fun

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Jan 10, 2012 12:53 PM PST up reply actions  

This.

I’m not even saying that I wouldn’t watch if there were a zero percent chance. I’m just saying that the “matter of fact” foregone conclusion that there IS zero percent is a buzzkill in the face of our successes, and I’m not willing to accept that just yet. I’ll have fun watching either way, but I may not spend a lot of time poring over analysis and it’s accompanying dreary tone aimed at hammering home the inevitability of defeat. If that is going to be the pattern here, it may just get to the point where being a silly ignorant homer is preferable. I hear Dave’s valid points, buy it’s starting to feel like anytime someone one says, “but what if?,” the answer is, “Just stay down man. Just stay down.”

by Dunemonkey on Jan 10, 2012 12:22 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

That's incorrect

I never say boo to “What ifs”. They are what make sports fun. I do say boo to, “This is going to happen and it’s so OBVIOUS because of X, Y, and Z and if you don’t agree you are biased/ignorant/not a real fan/etc..” That’s especially true when X, Y, and Z really aren’t indicative.

—Dave

by Dave on Jan 10, 2012 12:53 PM PST up reply actions  

You suck at math

jus’ sayin’

"What began as a credible protest against bank bailouts, crony capitalism and the like has, in large measure, been hijacked by crazies and criminals,"

by 92wastheyear on Jan 10, 2012 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Fair enough.

That was probably an inaccurate representation. I guess it’s just been a few posts in succession covering, defending and/or reiterating the “fatal flaws” analyses. Understandable, I suppose, since there’s been a fair amount of resistance (like mine) to ostensibly reasonable points. It’s just the petulant fan in me saying, “Alright, already! Fine! We can’t win! You happy now!”

I know setting out to dash the hopes of poor innocent (or not) fans is not the goal, but rather measured analysis. It just feels like with the start we’ve had (faster tempo, wins against good teams, Crash finding his groove, good defensive rankings), the fact that there’s room for improvement on offense (Felton and Crawford not yet playing near their career numbers, the team gelling in general) together with the potential changing of the guard in the west that there may be room for a greater deal of optimism without it being a totally outlandish statement.

That said, I don’t have a bullet proof X, Y and Z and I don’t think your X, Y and Z are biased, ignorant or not real fan stances. I just don’t think it’s that far fetched to envision a less gloomy fate than your latest posts portend, lack of so sophisticated analysis to prove it notwithstanding. My point is that there’s enough positive going on that I’ll watch with a higher hope in mind, rather than with an eye to the fatal traits that will lead to our inescapable undoing. If we end up being undone, I’ll bear that disappointment when it comes. I just don’t want to watch the whole season waiting for it. As Billy the Kid’s character said in Young Guns, there’s many a slip twixt a cup and a lip.

by Dunemonkey on Jan 10, 2012 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Fair enough

I think.

You can probably get ready to celebrate a win tonight!

—Dave

by Dave on Jan 10, 2012 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

My main quibble with the post is with the first point

I’d agree that our hot start isn’t indicative of title contention, but you’d have to be pretty Blazer-centric to think that we’re the obvious only candidate there. Philly and Indy both started 6-2, Atlanta is 7-3, Utah is 5-3 (not as good, but came in with dreadful expectations). All of those teams could be considered this year’s proverbial team referenced in the post.

The larger point about structural strengths and weaknesses being more important than a hot start is a good one, it’s just a little strange to phrase it as “one team every year starts out hot and fails”.

by Royster on Jan 10, 2012 8:41 AM PST reply actions  

True, but my point being

the implication that if you can’t find any other team, it’s probably you, doesn’t really apply here. It’s pretty easy to find other teams matching the given parameters.

by Royster on Jan 10, 2012 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

My ranking of Portland just went from 6th to 9th, 5th in the west

Not because I thought Portland was so good previously but because I was able to rate three other teams higher. It’s still not rational thinking though. It seems harder to rate this year as the strong teams seem to have more weaknesses than before. Although I do wonder how many here would have picked Dallas last year? Wasn’t me.

by XBlazerfan on Jan 10, 2012 8:51 AM PST reply actions  

I didn't think Dallas had a shot until I heard Dirk give a postgame interview after blowing us out.

The reporter asked if Dirk felt good about his chances of making it out of the first round and Dirk responded with something like “I don’t feel good about winning a game in the first round. The goal is to win a championship. The only thing that will make me happy is to win the championship.” I knew they were the real deal then.

by Oden Mad, Oden Smash! on Jan 10, 2012 9:53 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

It sounds like you're trying to think rationally.

But rational thought is no gaurantee of a proper or correct answer. Two rational people given the same problem can come to entitrely different conclusions.

In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice they're not.

by conspirator5 on Jan 10, 2012 3:58 PM PST up reply actions  

New to BE? Congrats on getting an early "green" under your belt.

4. Is this site foremost a space for scholarly arguments, journalistic exchanges, or fans sharing their experience of the Blazers? If it is mostly the latter, then personal questions (about Dave’s mood, for instance), though perhaps in bad taste, are not completely out-of-bounds.

Yes.

Okay, I love flippantly answering “yes” to either/or questions. Just my bias. But I think there’s a truth to it in this case. As a pastor, Dave’s got subjects both deeply personal and deeply philosophical in his wheelhouse. I think BE has evolved to reflect that. Furthermore, Portland is stacked to the rafters with nerds. Speaking as a nerd, I reserve the right to overthink questions and chase tangents down rabbit holes anytime I darn well feel like it!

In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice they're not.

by conspirator5 on Jan 10, 2012 4:13 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Well that was a waste of everyone’s time.

by Gforcepuma on Jan 10, 2012 8:57 AM PST reply actions  

I just rejected that shot (at Dave) to the second level!

Opinions are fine, some you keep to yourself.

Sometimes a player's greatest challenge is coming to grips with his role on the team.
-- Scottie Pippen

by BlazerRoddy on Jan 10, 2012 9:03 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Disagree.

Q: What would Sesame Street be without Oscar the Grouch?

A: Barney.

In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice they're not.

by conspirator5 on Jan 10, 2012 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I am usually as optimistic as anybody.

5-0 at home & 1-2 on the road, hard for me to get to pumped up at this point. The schedule will catch up to the Blazers at some point. That said I am still looking forward to seeing at least a 2nd round series.

Somebody step up! - Mike Rice

by We-B-Dunkin on Jan 10, 2012 9:24 AM PST reply actions  

Dave, you're probably right

Every point was pretty spot-on. But that doesn’t mean I want to hear it :P. Seems like you’ve been pretty resigned to defeat lately and it’s draggin down the mood.

I prefer to treat this season like Santa clause. I know in my mind some things may not be true, but I know in my heart that Christmas magic does happen. So I’m gonna hold out hope that the blazers catch lightning in a bottle.

by ozqb3 on Jan 10, 2012 9:28 AM PST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

"Most of us already know we're probably destined for a first round exit"

Crazily enough, this start makes me think Portland should be capable of getting the 4th seed and winning a first-round matchup. Plus, if this team gets a 4th seed and loses in round #1 for the fourth straight season, I believe heads could roll.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Jan 10, 2012 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm more afraid of Denver than OKC or LA.

Match-ups matter in the playoffs, and I think we are better positioned against either of those teams in a seven game series than we are with Denver. Karl knows Nate as good as anybody. Dre knows our guys. We don’t have a player that can reliably stuff Nene in a closet. OTOH, I think we keep Durant pinned down, and I think we between KT and the Rhino, we can get Bynum suspended for a few games. :-D

In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice they're not.

by conspirator5 on Jan 10, 2012 4:18 PM PST up reply actions  

well freakin said brutha

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Jan 10, 2012 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Well, shoot!

I was hell bent on using Dallas to end every argument I read about how the Blazers can’t win the championship, but now it’s been made taboo, or at least called out as the new Godwin’s Law. Nowitzki Law (the natural and inevitable conclusion to all NBA discussions in which your team’s chances of playoff success have been soundly and completely reasoned down to nothing)? It works because he’s German.

by Dunemonkey on Jan 10, 2012 10:31 AM PST reply actions  

Teams who make it are the ones who are dead sure they’ll go even farther, who don’t consider it a dream but their right.

or they fall off and go out like suckas, show no respect, hard foul when there’s no point and get suspended into next season and make their retiring coach lose any pride he retained for his “sure fire” team.

Entitled and spoiled children may be rich by birth right and may be well versed in the arts of the game (whatever game it may be; from business to basketball) but it’s the dream that suffers if it’s never necessary to do so.

Back to a basketball perspective, I’d consider a person fortunate to be a Fan and believer in hope for a team that would need to hope to succeed.

Is one richest because it is ones given right, or is one richest who must dream success into existence?

by blazerblaze on Jan 10, 2012 11:38 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Well put

The attitude of entitlement (hard won though it may have once been) may well win the day often, but it can also end in tantrums when it doesn’t play out that way. Nothing is automatic.

As to dreaming success into existence, that may be more rare on this level, but it’s fun to believe there’s a chance (and I hope our players feel there is).

by Dunemonkey on Jan 10, 2012 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

2004 Detroit Pistons…. just sayin

by Slinger81 on Jan 10, 2012 11:50 AM PST reply actions  

And of course, it's not like they came out of nowhere

They’d won playoff series in both the previous years, making the ECF finals in 2003. It’s not like that Pistons team came out of nowhere.

by Royster on Jan 10, 2012 12:21 PM PST up reply actions  

1977 Blazers . . .1999 Spurs . . .1994 Rockets . . .2008 Celtics

Just saying, there have been teams that have won it all from more or less out of nowhere based on the previous season. Some you knew would be good (1999 Spurs, 2008 Celtics) just not that good.

There have also been teams that have made it to the Finals from more or less out of nowhere based on the previous season: 1999 Knicks . . .1990 Blazers . . .1981 Rockets . . . .

This team does not compare to any of them. But then, they didn’t compare to any other teams. So there are no comparisons.

"You can walk away from someone who doesn’t love you. And you can walk away from someone you don’t love. But when the love is mutual," Roy said. "The hardest thing is to walk away."

by Glide22 on Jan 10, 2012 12:49 PM PST reply actions  

Those four teams all had a superstar.

The 1981 Rockets, however, are a good reason why I wouldn’t count out the Orlando Magic.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Jan 10, 2012 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I believe I looked it up a while ago

But of all those teams, the 2008 Celtics and 1999 Spurs are the only teams to win titles in the last 30 years without at least a single playoff series in the previous year, and both of those teams added at least two all stars to the previous year’s team. Even the 1977 Blazers (eliminating the 30 year limitation), who didn’t make the playoffs the previous year, added an all star in Mo Lucas (and arguably a 2nd with a healthy Walton). I know, technically Dallas counts here, too, but I’m throwing them out since they had essentially the exact same core in 08/09 when they made the 2nd round and Tyson Chandler really should count as an all-star level addition.

Absent all-star caliber roster additions (and I wouldn’t count either of Felton/Crawford), there’s no precedent to go from not making the playoffs to winning a title in a single year. Not saying that eliminates the team as constructed from ever competing for a title, maybe a season or two down the road, but history is pretty clear about playoff experience mattering.

by Royster on Jan 10, 2012 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Let's all vote for Felton and Crawford to make the All-Star team.

If they make it, the Blazers will win the championship!!!

"You can walk away from someone who doesn’t love you. And you can walk away from someone you don’t love. But when the love is mutual," Roy said. "The hardest thing is to walk away."

by Glide22 on Jan 10, 2012 1:51 PM PST up reply actions  

The Blazers made the playoffs last year

So, technically, what you would be looking for was a precedent for a team making the playoffs but not winning a series the previous year and then winning a title WITHOUT having made an All-Star addition in the off-season.

In which case, oddly, the 2011 Dallas Mavericks count (unless they added an All-Star I’m not aware of). However, the 1999 Spurs don’t. Not because they added an All-Star to the roster but because they actually won a playoff series in 1998.

So, if the Blazers win the title we can safely compare them to the 2011 Dallas Mavericks. Yay.

"You can walk away from someone who doesn’t love you. And you can walk away from someone you don’t love. But when the love is mutual," Roy said. "The hardest thing is to walk away."

by Glide22 on Jan 10, 2012 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, my math was off

forgot Duncan wasn’t a rookie that year, but I’m not sure that does much to the point, other than removing the 1999 Spurs from the “sort of exception” list, leaving just the 08 Celtics, 77 Blazers and 2011 Mavs here. And to my mind, Chandler counts as that level of addition, but I can see the room for disagreement.

by Royster on Jan 10, 2012 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

so Gerald Wallace and Greg Oden = championship?

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Jan 10, 2012 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

seriously though

Gerald Wallace might as well be considered an all-star (or in that vicinity) addition, even though we had him in the playoffs

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Jan 10, 2012 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Honestly,

One all star appearance doesn’t put GW in that category for me, especially considering we already had him for a full half season and in the playoffs last year. And no offense to the guy, but Chandler is a significantly more impactful of a player at this point.

If we were to get an Oden who could actually stay on the court without getting injured or in foul trouble, that would be another story, though.

by Royster on Jan 10, 2012 3:23 PM PST up reply actions  

that's fair

I just don’t think we’ve really reaped the benefits of having him until this season

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Jan 10, 2012 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

As long as we're making incomparable comparisons

I’ll suggest that the Western Conference is ebbing into the watered-down Eastern Conference of ‘99-’05, in which a rotating list of sturdy but ultimately flawed challengers bowed to the Spurs or the (mind vomit team) almost every year—with the one breakthrough being the ’04 Pistons (just mentioned and rejected as a bad comparison). In this analogy, I guess the Heat and the Bulls play the parts of the (mind vomits) and Spurs.

Of course this is a bad comparison. I should have just gone with Otto Graham’s ’46 Rochester Royals—or the 2032 Seattle Gentlerains.

by nerfthunder on Jan 10, 2012 1:25 PM PST up reply actions  

We really can only compare this season to the 1999 season

Before the 1999 lockout, nobody would have predicted that Portland, San Antonio and New York would all make the Conference Finals.

The pre-season favorites were Utah, Miami, Indiana and the Lakers, with Seattle, Atlanta, San Antonio and maybe Houston given an outside shot. People didn’t expect Seattle and Houston to be as mediocre as they turned out to be, nor did they expect Orlando and Portland to be as good as they turned out to be. And while people might not have been surprised that San Antonio made it, nobody predicted they would win the title.

Absolutely nobody thought Portland or New York would be in the Final Four.

"You can walk away from someone who doesn’t love you. And you can walk away from someone you don’t love. But when the love is mutual," Roy said. "The hardest thing is to walk away."

by Glide22 on Jan 10, 2012 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

The confessions of a defeated idealist.

Not Dave. Me.

I’ve always had a generally optimistic outlook on life. I’ve always had a lot of natural trust in the people around me. I respond easily to friendly people and positive arguments. What I’ve learned about myself over the years is that these tendencies get me in a lot of trouble if I don’t keep them in check. In fact I have learned that all the bitter and cynical realities of life are true. Life is NOT fair. Bad things happen to good people. Nice Guys do in fact finish last. The people who run this world are not squishy humanitarians. Even in today’s world where all the measuring sticks of civilization are at historic levels, humanity is a chaotic mess whose most noble and admirable leaders can be described as ruthless pragmatists.

How do you keep your sanity when your vision of how the world SHOULD work is crushed by your realization of how the world DOES work? How do you get out of bed in the morning realizing that no you’re not a hero and heroism is a thankless pursuit anyway? How can you enjoy the Blazers when DAVE IS BEING A BIG OLE WET BLANKET AND MAKING ME QUESTION MY HOPES AND ASPIRATIONS! DANG IT DAVE, ISN’T IT BAD ENOUGH THAT i KNOW THE TRUTH ABOUT SANTA CLAUS!

Well, a funny thing happened on the way to my mid-life crisis. I started to notice people around me who could stare cleanly into the abyss without being sucked in. People whose opinions and personalities I admired. How did they do it? How could I do it? At the end of the day, it comes down to letting go. Taoists have a saying that “the tree that bends in the wind does not break” and I think that sums it up pretty clearly.

When Greg got injured the 2nd time, I realized that I had to make a decision as a fan. I was either going to be a Blazer fan as a reflection of who I was, or I had to admit I was here for the rags-to-riches storyline of the Brandon Roy era. It actually took deliberately missing a couple of games before I understood that I did in fact want to keep up with what this team was doing in spite where we were on or OFF the road to a championship.

There will certainly be things that could derail my fandom comlpetely. I don’t enjoy watching thugs and haters. I won’t watch this team if it is (heaven forbid) relocated. But realistic projections don’t have to interfere with the “do it again!” joy of a Gerald Wallace windmill dunk or even infectious happiness of an Australian benchwarmer. There’s also knowing that even the most realistic projections are frequently wrong. There’s lots of room for things to be much better, or much worse than we might expect.

That’s why they play the games, right?

In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice they're not.

by conspirator5 on Jan 10, 2012 5:07 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

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