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Blazersedge Mailbag:  Criticisms

Time for another edition of the Blazersedge Mailbag. This one is more, ahem, "interesting" than usual due to the pointed focus of some of the questions. But what the heck. Here we go.

Dave,

You've been taking some criticism lately for your views. I won't do that. Instead I'll just ask how you come to your conclusions. Can you share with us?

Of course! Just click through to read answers to this and more.

Star-divide

If you're asking my process, I suppose it's like that of most folks. I draw on my own experience, league/team/player history, stats, re-watching some games, a little bit of reading other folks' opinions. After I dig for a while the picture usually comes clear and I write about what I see.

I suspect you're asking more about my philosophy though. How do I decide what to write and such. That's pretty simple too. I decided long ago I was going to write exactly what I saw and be honest about it. People's opinions do influence the work in the sense that they determine topics. If something is hot or timely or interesting to folks I'll probably choose that subject over something arcane or a dead issue. But I don't write for applause (though it's always nice) nor to make people feel one way or another nor to "temper expectations" nor to be controversial in order to get hits. If I'm going to address something I'm going to do the best I can to speak the truth in a comprehensive and fair fashion. Everything else is a side effect, really in the purview of the reader. I can put things clearly, maybe artfully, but I can't really control how it hits you. My only power and responsibility is to make sure you have the best information and analysis I can give.

One golden rule I have when writing and analyzing is that the game doesn't change just because people put on my favorite team's uniform. If a guy's a streak shooter before he comes to Portland he probably won't transform into a reliable shooter after he gets here. If I wasn't that impressed by a guy's play in Milwaukee I'm not going to give a rosier version if he becomes a Blazer. One long-standing tradition of fandom is to put the best construct possible on everyone and everything associated with your own team and the worst on the opponent. I try to be accurate on both ends. That means I get a fair amount of "You think the Blazers suck!" and "You're overrating all our opponents!" I understand how it looks that way, but neither ends up accurate in the long run.

What happened to the funny Dave? You're so pessimistic now! Is something wrong? Are you depressed?

Disclaimer: I shortened and cobbled that together from about six different e-mails.

Again this is mostly a matter of perspective.

On the use of humor...

I do tend to use humor in my writing and I have done so this fall here and there, but there's a cycle to it. At the beginning of every season you're finding out about the new team. Stimulus is everywhere and analysis is at a premium until you figure out the team's patterns and everybody gets comfortable with who they are. In that situation it's far more important to break down plays, players, stats, and trends than to throw in over-generalized and humorous one-liners or analogies. "The Blazers ran like somebody set their undies on fire" is an unsatisfactorily vague description until you've seen their new up-tempo attack a few dozen times. Therefore such statements are more likely to show up during an otherwise-routine late-February game against a cellar-dweller than at the beginning of the season when the games are plenty stimulating and informative on their own. (You'll also see more levity in the summer when humor is the only thing carrying you through.) I suppose that leads to the perception that I am less funny--better stated as more analytical--in the early season and during the playoffs than I am in the dog days of spring or summer.

On being a "pessimist" or not liking the Blazers...

The latter is patently ridiculous. I couldn't do this the way I do if I didn't love the team. As far as pessimism goes, that perception is cyclical too. I have the most likely outcome of 2011-12 as the Blazers being a playoff team, probably a first-round exit, second round if they get the right seed and matchup. That's not bad at all. But it's the beginning of the season and expectations are high, made higher by the hot start. Since my analysis is below the curve of your average Portland supporter, it's labeled pessimistic. Most seasons the Blazers goes through a rough patch, looking like they might come in below expectations. At that point when I stick to my guns I guarantee people are going to call me "Pollyanna" and accuse me of not telling the truth about the team. It happens every year.

Every once in a while I do change my own perspective. Rating Nicolas Batum higher after he played a few games as a rookie than I had watching him in Summer League was an obvious example. But when I do that I explain why and explain what's changed, either about their play or about my eyesight improving. But those times are rarer than not. Usually I'm pretty fair at figuring out what's going on.

That's not to say I'm always right. This is sports. Nobody is. But I give you the things that are most likely to happen and the reasons why. Often I can also tell you what needs to happen in order to generate a different outcome. Most of the time either the most likely event occurs or the difference happens because of the variation we discussed. This isn't because I'm a wizard or savant. It's a lot like a poker guy saying the smart move is to fold or bluff rather than draw to an inside straight. Every once in a while that inside straight card will hit. Inevitably some guy will stand up and yell, "Yes! I told you so! I called it! It's DESTINY!" He's "right" in a sense for that moment, but you wouldn't want to buy his poker instructional book and play by it.

On being depressed or having ulterior motives or something being wrong with me...

These are the silliest arguments of all...ones that really shouldn't happen much because they're not talking about basketball but about the person making the argument. That's not a good practice. The calculus on most of this stuff goes like this: "Dave is saying something different than I think. What I think cannot be wrong. Therefore there must be something wrong with Dave." The hunt is on to find the way in which Dave is screwed up so the argument can be summarily dismissed.

This is common to media types. People generally find it easy to shoot the messenger. A bunch of people I know in the business deal with it by preemptively dismissing fans, calling them stupid and refusing to hear what they have to say. I came to Blazersedge with the express mission to show that fans aren't stupid sheep...a pressing concern back in the Jailblazer Era. I promised myself then that I would not become one of those grizzled sports guys who puts down his readership, laughs at them behind the hand, ignores them. I still haven't become that guy. I read everything you write and think about it. You make that exponentially easier when you make your arguments about our common topic--basketball and the Blazers--and leave out the accusations about me which, when they're made, usually come completely free of any basketball context. In a way I'm glad for the comments, as they're the nearly-inevitable by-product of lots of people reading. But life would be better if people would direct their passion towards the team instead of against their friends and neighbors.

Come on, man! Have some guts and predict something great for this team!

I'm having a great time watching them right now. I don't think a meaningless, and probably inaccurate, prediction is going to enhance that, or their play. Plus I'm a lot less in the prediction business than in the business of describing what's going on right now and what it means.

As for the "guts" part--and this is the last thing I'll say in this vein--I think it takes more guts to stand by what you know than to just spout off something. This, too, is a cycle. During high times people show up and predict deep playoff runs and world championships for this team. There's nothing wrong with that, except along with those predictions often come accusations against anyone who isn't saying the same. But then when the team falls short of those lofty predictions the people who made them and flung all those accusations are nowhere to be found. They don't come back, they don't own up except in the worst ways..."You were right, this team SUCKS!!!" (Nobody said that in the first place though.) It's all drama, little substance. To me, that's not guts. Nor is it optimism. Optimism doesn't involve putting everyone else down, eh?

Just for fun and context, I dug up a couple of reactions to a post I did back in 2008 suggesting that while Rudy Fernandez was an exciting player, he might have had some defensive issues and the hype was probably outstripping reality. I'm not picking the most acerbic, accusatory, or worst of the comments...just a couple you can use to put the current criticisms (and the assertion that "things have changed") in perspective.

First, why do you feel that Rudy’s role off the bench indicates he’s not a star? Isn’t Manu Ginobli one of the Spurs’ "Big 3?" Isn’t John Havlicek in the Hall of Fame for playing the 6th man role with the Celtics?

Then there’s this statement from you: "Amongst all the Rudy hype it’s necessary to say that, speaking in generalities, there were 12 guys on the U.S. Team who are all better players than he, plus a guy on the Spanish team, plus a few more sprinkled around the tournament." Actually, in the gold medal game I thought Rudy often appeared to be the second or third-best (after the hated Kobe and the beloved Dwayne Wade) player on the floor.

That doesn’t mean Rudy is actually better than LeBron and some of the other Redeem Teamers. And Manu Ginobli and Luis Scola are certainly fine players also. But except for some obvious defensive lapses, I thought Rudy Fernandez, in his last two games as well as in the China game, appeared to be on the same general level as the best players in the tournament. Despite a game plan built around pounding the ball inside to the Gasol Bros, Rudy Fernandez was the second-leading scorer on the team, and, more importantly, was incredibly active all over the court. As Snapper Jones said during the Lithuania game, Rudy is a "difference-maker."

Although there’s no way of proving it, I’ll bet that Kobe Bryant would pick Rudy Fernandez as a teammate over several of his celebrated "Redeem Team" members. After spending a large portion of Rudy’s 17.5 minutes in the gold medal game playing Rudy at both ends—and noticably failing to dominate him—I think Kobe must have come away extremely impressed. I’m surprised that you didn’t have the same take, Dave.

This time, I think your caution has gotten the best of you. This kid can really play. Give him a couple years and I expect him to be vying for the NBA’s 6-man award.

Yeah...it went green. And this warning to me:

This post is certainly much more negative than it needs to be and am beginning to feel that one of your primary jobs is try to keep our excited Blazer fandom in perspective-which it might very well be.

Let us celebrate a little bit, cheer with us, get excited with us once in awhile. Enjoy life and enjoy the roses. Rudy had an amazing performance being guarded by Kobe Bryant and playing against the best players in the world and not only should that be recognized, but also should be the moxie with which he did it.

Rudy is a winner and has an incredible passion for the game. He has that certain something that will make him a champion. I don’t think those things should go unnoticed.

I appreciate your good work and click on your page every day while looking forward to the next updates, I just hope that you can keep your own self in perspective sometimes while you are trying to keep us in perpective as well.

--Dave (blazersub@gmail.com)

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And don't worry

I know that. I actually get treated fairly well compared to most folks in this line of work. We have a good relationship. But if people ask, every once in a while I’ll answer.

—Dave

by Dave on Jan 10, 2012 12:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Thanks for everything, Dave

I’m more involved with the Blazers because of you and this forum, seriously. You, Golliver, and even Timmay! are doing a good job, period. I often disagree with your views, but I often have felt you were on the other side hoping too much, and that may in fact be what is driving this whole “Dave has soured on the Blazers” thing. Potential is potential, and production is production, and this team is a heck of a lot of fun production this year. I do hope you are enjoying this season as much as I am, despite seeing the clear deficiencies that are there. Keep up the good work.

by avalancheman on Jan 10, 2012 2:50 AM PST reply actions  

Red Forman: “See, even Bob knows when the car sounds off!”

Bob Pinciotti: “I never know what you mean by ‘even Bob’, but I’d like to assume it’s a compliment.”

— That ’70s Show

by Timmay! on Jan 10, 2012 10:23 AM PST up reply actions   4 recs

It is a compliment.

You just haven’t done as much, for obvious reasons, but you do a good job. :-)

by avalancheman on Jan 10, 2012 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

The "guts" thing is always the most patently ridiculous accusation

In a largely consequence-free environment, does it really take guts to do anything? I can see fans tuning out national guys who continually make absurd predictions like Charlie Rosen, but it’s not like BE members are going to stop coming here if you continually predict that we’ll exceed national expectations. Essentially the worst consequence would be a couple other team’s fans coming and laughing about it, like BE members did with the OKC blog here.

by Royster on Jan 10, 2012 7:59 AM PST reply actions  

I've always disliked your writing style (and general tone), Dave.

Not that I expect you to change, but I’m just throwing that out there.

Thankfully, Ben exists.

by Gforcepuma on Jan 10, 2012 9:08 AM PST reply actions  

Strangely, I think this comment is a measure of BE's success.

People know and appreciate this site on it’s own merits, rather than being a Cult of Personality around the opinions of a central figure. Between Dave, Ben and how comments are moderated, the site develops a collective orientation that reflects a larger cross-section of the Blazer fan community. BE wouldn’t exist without Dave’s parentage, but healthy indepdendence is the ultimate measure of successful parenting.

Now if we can only get BE out of the adolescent phase of fat jokes and Bill Simmons worship… /cough Ben /cough.

In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice they're not.

by conspirator5 on Jan 10, 2012 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Having taken a bit of criticism in my job now and then (it comes with the territory),

I remember the old, “you can please some of the people all the time, and you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time.” I simply try (figuratively) to coat myself with teflon and let it all slide off, and do the best I can the way I think it should be done.

IMHO, your posts (and Ben’s) are more what journalism used to be (both informative and fun) before newspapers shortened articles, reduced description and analysis, and read like creamed wheat. Keep up the great work!

by kacee on Jan 10, 2012 9:31 AM PST reply actions  

I've always liked the writing style and general tone

I like how the fandom is acknowledged honestly (so many sportswriters pretend or actually have indifference to who wins or loses) but the opinions are as objective as possible. Remember Bill Schonely’s mantra during tough playoff matchups? “Nobody said it’s gonna be easy, folks.” Overpraising the team can only lead to fan disappointment. Critical assessment leaves room for surprise, joy (and disappointment.) It’s what, as a fan living far away, I want from a hometown writer. Also, keeping language and thoughts fresh and interesting is not easy to do, takes effort, and it’s appreciated.

Steve Goodman lives.

by twinsbrewer on Jan 10, 2012 9:37 AM PST reply actions  

rec'd for goodliness, Dave!

But really, the secret is now out of the bag! Dave has been supplying the team with bulletin board material and YOU PEOPLE just had to call him out on it!

#7

by clinchmobb on Jan 10, 2012 10:08 AM PST reply actions  

I like what you do, Dave.

It’s as simple as that. You too, Ben.

by Bedhead on Jan 10, 2012 10:25 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

I've been reading BlazersEdge for years

although I recently just registered to comment.

The analysis and quality of writing here is fantastic. I got kinda spoiled actually. When I started reading another team’s fan blog I couldn’t stand the writing.

You do a good job, I depend on the analysis and commentary here. Thanks!

by damdaman on Jan 10, 2012 10:29 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

I wonder how the demographic between people who submit questions

and your everyday BE reader differs. Maybe the act of sending a question to Dave requires the type of gumption you see in folks who tend to be more dramatic.

In other words, I hope you don’t feel these accusations in the form of questions represent the bulk (or even the majority) of readers. I come here precisely because I value your objective analysis (more than I can say about some other local publications), especially because you are a fan.

At the same time, I can empathize with folks who feel like you are crushing their dreams :) You’re something of an oracle, a direct result of your keen analytical ability. I’ve been waiting for your declaration that Batum is the Real Deal for years now, because I know that once you say it, it’s true. So hurry up! :)

by nudicles on Jan 10, 2012 11:23 AM PST reply actions  

To be fair

these are, like, 8 questions among several dozen. I just lifted them out topically. I have many others not related to these matters.

—Dave

by Dave on Jan 10, 2012 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmm...

I just never think of disagreeing with Dave or anyone as “criticism”. It’s just disagreement. Which by my way of thinking is a good thing to have from time to time.

I don’t care if it’s Dave, Ben or anyone. If you are always, always in agreement? I think there is something wrong. If you are always, always in disagreement? I think there is something wrong.

I’ve agreed and disagreed with Dave over the years on many issues but I would hope this isn’t perceived as “criticism” of Dave because it quite simply is not. It is simply either agreeing with a P.O.V. or not agreeing with a P.O.V..

Participation in Blazersedge is voluntary. If I didn’t have respect for the people within Blazersedge? I wouldn’t bother responding, either in the negative or the affirmative. The quality of both Dave and Bens work and contribution IMO is beyond criticism, even if I disagree with the specifics of a view point or posting.

I’d say keep up the good work, but I’ve been around long enough to know it isn’t necessary. So instead? I’ll say just keep me thinking…whether I agree or disagree.

"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"

by Krang on Jan 10, 2012 11:49 AM PST reply actions  

Agreement and disagreement are never an issue

It’s how and over what.

“Here’s a basketball point that provides a different view on the issue”…we love that. Always have. Diversity of opinion and analysis is one of this community’s strengths.

—Dave

by Dave on Jan 10, 2012 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Dave's been fairly consistently

…more realistic than I am about this team over the many years I’ve been reading his stuff. I don’t have to like it, but it’s been mostly accurate.

I choose to take a more optimistic outlook because I feel like it’s more fun as a fan. If you’re constantly looking at “well, even on the rare year that the Celtics or Lakers don’t win the championship, we still only have a 1 in 28 chance of winning” side of things then it’s difficult to enjoy the season. That’s usually where Dave is.

I like basketball for basketball and I do wish that Dave would talk more about the beauty of the game and enjoying basketball rather than analytically dissecting every flaw of the team. But it’s Dave; it’s who he is and who he’s always been and who he probably always will be. There are far too many positives about his guidance and stewardship of BlazersEdge to get too caught up in what I wish he would do.

by jamon51 on Jan 10, 2012 12:48 PM PST reply actions  

I think you're doing a great job Dave

The writing at BE is fantastic. I love that you’re objective.

by aces_dad on Jan 10, 2012 3:15 PM PST reply actions  

Dave is a gosh darn civic treasure

We are blessed and lucky to have the best writer on the best site in the SB Nation. A preview and a post game for every game! Thousands of words a week about one of our favorite things! All done by a man who is less reactionary and knows more about basketball than the grand plurality of us. More than me for sure. I have not commented in years, but I had to let it be known how much I enjoy reading Dave every day.

by ScalpWrinkles on Jan 10, 2012 3:47 PM PST reply actions  

Dave is great

I know that as a Blazer fan and 1/2 season ticket holder, I come to this site 1st for Blazer info and analysis. Then I go look at other sports sites and usually end up shaking my head. I also have read this blog for some time and don’t comment often, but in this case (and I know it is not the reason for this post) I felt I should say Thank You!! Ben as well, you guys do a great job, keep it up.

Retire #7, Best Blazer EVER.

by AlreadymissingRoy on Jan 10, 2012 5:37 PM PST reply actions  

I don't know if the Rudy example works

I just feel he was never as exciting or fun to watch as he was before he got fouled by Ariza and hurt his back. So you could point out that Rudy didn’t amount to much after all, to show the fans got too hyped up about him. But the reality is he’s just not been as dynamic, aggressive going to the hoop, or as consistent from the 3-point line since that injury. He really did SEEM to have a lot of promise his rookie year, IMO. I mean, clearly he was lacking NBA strength and defense from the beginning, but he still looked like a top notch crowd-rousing 6th man for a time.

by acorn on Jan 10, 2012 6:00 PM PST reply actions  

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