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Crystal Ball: The Legacy of the Current Portland Trail Blazers

In response to the recent run of history articles reader Arturo (note:  serious props to you if that's your real name because that's just cool) writes:

Dave,

Love the historical pieces!  Now that you're finished look into your crystal ball and write one about the present team, maybe as if you were writing it ten years from now.

 It's a great idea.  Unfortunately I think it would be vain--in both senses of the word--to do a 2500-word piece based on speculation.  But I'll riff on the theme and give you the basics.

One of the recurring themes from Portland Trail Blazers history is the gulf between hope and reality when things start trending downward.  I can't think of a single example where people worried that the team might be sinking where it later turned out to be great.  We covered multiple examples where the team ended up worse off while the devoted prayed every step of the way that it wasn't so.

Two examples seem to buck this trend on the surface.  Some would cite the championship in 1977 as being wholly unexpected.  That's mostly true but it wasn't an example of things going wrong and then turning around.  Yes, Bill Walton had been injured but he was healthy going into '76-'77 and people knew it.  Plus the ABA expansion draft provided an unprecedented wealth of extra players by his side.  This was not a bad trend turning to good but good turning to awesome.  People predicted the Blazers could make noise.  Nobody knew how big that noise would eventually turn out.

Other folks will point to the 2006 Draft as an unexpected turn-around.  This is also true in its way but the draft picks weren't entirely unforeseen.  As with '77, you can see a definite, understandable cause and effect between the talent acquisition and the improvement.  2004-2006 also saw a complete dismantling of the previous team leading to the picks and the opportunity to rebuild.  Once again everybody expected a turn-around of some sort.  The surprises were how big and how quickly it came.

Neither one of those situations is true of this year's team.  No expansion draft, no lottery picks, no destroy-and-rebuild job...the Blazers are going with the hand they have plus or minus a couple of players.  That makes this situation far more analogous to the post-1992 or post-2000 years, just without the thrill of Conference- and NBA-Finals visits beforehand.

It's likely that the enduring legacy of this era will be tantalizing promise sadly unfulfilled through a combination of injuries, bad timing, and perhaps a couple of bad decisions.  The Great Renewal of the franchise will probably also turn out to be the Era That Wasn't.  Too many red flags are up.  Brandon Roy and Greg Oden have chronic health problems.  LaMarcus Aldridge doesn't feel like the kind of player who can lead a team to the Finals on his own.  Gerald Wallace will either be a short-timer or an aging player.  Point guard moves seem incremental.  None of the players coming in are enough to turn the tide.  This seems harsh when viewed up close, from within the maelstrom, but stepping back and comparing these signs to similar ones from other eras the guess is probably accurate.  The Blazers have fallen a little ways down the cliff and are hanging onto a branch.  Only a miraculous rescue is going to get them back up and on the road again.  Failing that, they're going to hang until their arms get tired and then drop, having to start over again.

The notable events surrounding this fall are common knowledge.  The critical question people will ask is, "Whose fault was this?"  Most accurately the answer is, "Nobody's".  Unless the Blazers were utter fools and drafted players they flat-out knew would get injured this is just part of professional sports.  Triumph and tragedy mix, sometimes for no good reason.  Every team in Portland history except that '76-'77 squad bears an epitaph full of "what-if's".   What if Walton had stayed healthy?  What if Porter's shot had fallen in '91 or Cliff hadn't dropped the ball?  What if Sabonis had come over earlier?  What if that fourth quarter in 2000 had gone a hair differently?  Stuff happens even under the best of circumstances...end of story.

Looking back, if management is called to task it will be over these pivotal questions:

  1. Why couldn't they translate Raef LaFrentz' $12.5 million expiring contract into another player or two in 2008-09?  He was a serviceable reserve but that cap action was one of his main draws.  Looking back this still seems like a critical opportunity missed.  
  2. How much did they know about Oden's health situation when they drafted him?  Obviously they couldn't know the whole extend of his future travails, but did they ignore warning signs with Kevin Durant sitting on the table, waiting to be snatched?
  3. Could they have done anything to preserve Roy's knees more?  If not, could they have avoided his max contract?
  4. Could they have made the Gerald Wallace move (or a similar trade) earlier, coinciding with the Roy peak?

I expect all four of those questions would be included in a historical recap a decade from now.  Other than that, the tale of this era will be "Right Move, Wrong Time" or "Right Players, Wrong Knees".  The more interesting question is how Portland fans will end up viewing this era.  Will they be grateful for the recovery it brought from the abysmally dark days of the mid-2000's or will they be more frustrated that these talent-laden teams never came to full flower?  Or perhaps for once will we see our miracle?

Discuss these issues and questions below if you wish.  That's my best shot at a pre-retrospective for now.

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

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Aldridge

I do think Aldridge is possibly good enough to lead a team to the Finals. He is as good as Sheed, but without the attitude IMO. Of course the Blazers didn’t end up making the Finals with Wallace, but they did everything but in 2000 (I still think that game was suspect).

Of course, Wallace also had a whole host of talented veterans behind him. Despite all the disappointments, there is still hope for the future:

1. Wesley Matthews could become an All-Star. I love his attitude.
2. Nicolas Batum could become a star or semi-star.
3. Oden could actually have a productive career for us.
4. Roy could be better than expected.
5. One of the young players could surprise (Babbit, Johnson (x2), Williams, Smith).
6. The Big Trade, or at least a big trade (similar to the Pippen-Smith moves) could happen.
7. We could land an overlooked star in the draft (if our new GM is good at drafting).
8. LA, after getting tired of playoff defeats, could develop that killer instinct a la Dirk and stop at nothing to get the team a championship.

There is a lot of reason to hope for improvement.

by AJB2 on Sep 5, 2011 10:39 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

This team has a small window left to make something happen. It basically all rests upon Oden’s shoulders. He is the proverbial wild card in the bunch. Roy and Aldridge are good players. But, they cannot bring it home unless they have a big man in the middle to change the dynamics of what the roster offers, or lack there of…

Dallas was a similar team to the Blazers up until one move happened…
TYSON CHANDLER

He is the #1 reason why they won this year. Put it how you want it, but Dallas has been in the playoffs for sometime now getting bounced out in the early rounds (mostly). When they did get deeper in the playoffs it was because they had the right combination of bigs to complement their star.

02-03 = bradley and lafrentz – conf. finals
05-06 = dampier and diop – finals
10-11 = chandler and haywood – champs

Now there are other factors that can be isolated, but this is the main reason that Dallas won this last year, and made it deeper during those other years listed. The guys they had to fill the middle offered a variety of options allowing Dallas more opportunity…

Here’s the deal… If Portland would have not dealt with so many injuries to Oden and to a lesser extent in Roy and the rest. We would have been Champs sometime between 07 and now. It was the right move to get Oden unless, the Blazers knew he was broken… He can literally net you a championship. Durant as great as he is becoming, is similar to Dirk. He needs a big to get it done!

If the Blazers were to remain healthy next year, factoring Roy’s decline and average injuries aside for the rest of the team. You will see this team go deep into the playoffs.

Oden may be injury prone, but any and every team out there is scared to death of the day he gets his groove back… Oden = Championship

by Chea Cubana on Sep 5, 2011 11:39 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

"Dallas was a similar team to the Blazers up until one move happened…"

Stop it. Just stop it.

Seriously, stop it y’all.

STOP!

The Mavericks have been better than the Trail Blazers each and every year since the 2000-2001 season.

There’s nothing similar about the Mavericks and the Trail Blazers. Y’see, the Mavericks are flat-out better.

As it is, Mark Cuban > Paul Allen, Donnie Nelson > Revolving Door of GMs, Rick Carlisle > Nate McMillan, Dirk Nowitzki > Every Blazer of the Past Decade, et cetera.

Portland fans must stop comparing the Trail Blazers to the Mavericks, since it’s an insult to the Mavericks.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Sep 6, 2011 3:14 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

This blog is a what-if blog

 If you think for one minute that if we had a healthy BRoy, even a serviceable Greg for a year playing together that we would not have been as good as the Mavs, then you are as big a blinded Mavs fan as we are Blazer fans.

hg

by BBK on Sep 6, 2011 7:12 AM PDT up reply actions   4 recs

I have to agree mosty

Our starting lines should everyone be healthy are close to a wash as far as talent. Of course thats hard to say with Dirk being one of the best of all time, and us only able to speculate on how good Oden is supposed to be. But where dallas had the leg up on us is their bench. We still only have one NBA proven PG, and PF.

by AR-15 on Sep 6, 2011 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

And they have a consistent 3 point shooters, don't they?

Portland has always seemed to be up and down in this area.

"The game was delayed for over 15 minutes with 5:07 left in the second quarter after France's Nicolas Batum, who plays for the Portland Trail Blazers, dunked and twisted the rim. Volunteers and officials scrambled to put a new rim on the basket and reattach a net."

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/olybb/news/story?id=5509394

by ratbastird on Sep 6, 2011 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Consistant this year

but not historically consistent. The only real consistent 3 point shooter they have is Peja. Terry had a career playoff performance this year.

by AR-15 on Sep 6, 2011 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ah I've been out of the serious basketball loop for a while.

I remember the three always being a Dallas strength (and weakness… live/die)

Having that ability is something Portland definitely needs to have though. I’d love a steve kerr/ainge coming off the bench to bury the needed three and to be able to mix up the roster as needed. I feel the blazers are missing some of those tools.

"The game was delayed for over 15 minutes with 5:07 left in the second quarter after France's Nicolas Batum, who plays for the Portland Trail Blazers, dunked and twisted the rim. Volunteers and officials scrambled to put a new rim on the basket and reattach a net."

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/olybb/news/story?id=5509394

by ratbastird on Sep 6, 2011 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Except you don’t see teams that live and die by the three as much as Dallas does win very many rings.

by AR-15 on Sep 6, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree the Mavricks and Blazers really aren't even close to the same team.

On the other hand, if the blazers get lucky and people stay healthy for a year (I WILL not hold my breath for that) then there’s a chance that a key player move could have a positive impact and thus lead to a surprise rush for a championship.

That could likely be said about quite a few teams in the league though. “if…”

If the Blazers get lucky I think they have a good shot. i just prefer good planning over luck and I don’t see a huge ability to do some good planning any time soon because, as Dave said, we’re basically locked into what we have.

A healthy Oden could change everything. How likely is it Oden will be healthy though?

I definitely wouldn’t compare Mavs to Blazers as I don’t see a relationship. One excellent move COUIld change things for us, but I suspect you’d still need some nice luck as well.

"The game was delayed for over 15 minutes with 5:07 left in the second quarter after France's Nicolas Batum, who plays for the Portland Trail Blazers, dunked and twisted the rim. Volunteers and officials scrambled to put a new rim on the basket and reattach a net."

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/olybb/news/story?id=5509394

by ratbastird on Sep 6, 2011 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

"A healthy Oden could change everything. How likely is it Oden will be healthy though?"

I agree with that, yes. Yet, you hit at the crux of the problem, which is that we can’t bank on him being healthy.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Sep 7, 2011 1:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Take a deep breath AK… Sheeesh! :)

by Chea Cubana on Sep 6, 2011 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ha-ha, yeah.

I overreacted a tad.

"I Am Mine"

by AK1984 on Sep 7, 2011 1:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have to agree with all aspect of your analysis

I would add that if we had a powerful reserve for the four spot and or a center that can go both ways,LMA could take over as dominent inside player. If he bulks up a little and continues to improve his inside game altough he wouldn’t measure up to what Greg could bring, but it would be a serviceable squad that could make big noises. Of course the first thing is to see what we have with everybody back, see what we have with Chris Johnson, and development of our young players.

hg

by BBK on Sep 6, 2011 7:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

LaFrentz

IIRC, it wasn’t that he was a “serviceable reserve”, it was that he was sitting injured on his farm for the entire season and insurance was picking up his contract. Hence, KP’s assertion that it was a “super-expiring contract” and he would be able to get some great offers for it.

by BrianFromWA on Sep 6, 2011 1:28 AM PDT reply actions  

I meant when acquired

He did end up playing 63 games for the Blazers, albeit over a two-year span before that third year when he sat. Since he was with the team for three years I didn’t want to leave out his contributions entirely. They got him to play a few minutes in reserve as a big body with the extra-enormous benefit of being able to parlay his ultra-expensive cost into a nifty trade as his deal expired. That extra-enormous bonus never happened, sadly.

—Dave

by Dave on Sep 6, 2011 1:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

When LaFrentz wasn't traded...

Didn’t his exiring salary become cap room? And didn’t that cap room become Andre Miller?

If they had traded LaFrentz straight across for Miller, with Dre agreeing to sign a three year, $21 million extension (only $14 million guaranteed), would you have been happy with that deal?

That’s basically what they did. They just had the freedom to flirt heavily with Turkoglu. Then, when left at the alter, they had a hot and heavy “toxic” fling with Milsap. Finally, they found Miller with that salary space, and that was the right move all along.

by Rodney Gustafson on Sep 6, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Good point

That cap room was attractive not just to the other 29 teams but also to Portland. They figured that it was more attractive than any other offers out there.

by jamon51 on Sep 6, 2011 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

bummin me out Dave...

I remember calling up my cousin shortly after reading one of the recaps circa late 80s, run up to the Drexler finals years. I was excited because I noticed a lot of similarities to now. I can’t remember the specifics off the top of my head. But the gist is exciting young team, hope, still hadn’t put it together. I don’t think anyone knew in the summer of 87 that the Blazers were about to go to the finals 2 out of 3 years. Call me a homer, but for as long as we have LaMarcus, Batum, and Matthews on the upswing I feel like we’re in the playoffs. And as long as Roy is in the building, on any given night magic can happen. This season may not happen anyhow, but 2012- Oden fully healthy? K*be/L*kers declining, Dallas old, phx still cheap, Utah in disarray, min/sac/gs etc.. only teams that scare me are Denver and OKC going forward.

"She fell in love with the drummer, another and another"

by Cap'n Crash on Sep 6, 2011 2:14 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Agreed

If Adelman coaches Minny, they could be a treat. The Clippers, GSW and Sactown has the talent, but needs help from the management.

But we don’t want a cake walk, just a fighting chance and with the past big powers slipping and us gaining speed, (maybe literally) We should definitely be counted in the powers of the West.

hg

by BBK on Sep 6, 2011 7:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Future Retrospective

A lot like the early to mid-80s teams. Good enough to make the playoffs, a player or two away from seriously contending. There is the chance Oden can get healthy and be productive, even a glimpse of his potential would be great. Roy may have to come off as a 6th man, Batum needs to continue to grow and develop. Is Felton the answer? IMO A.J. may be if he can get half as good as T. Porter was. LMA can get us there but he needs help. Love Wallace, hope he stays healthy and helps Batum get to where he needs to be then comes off the bench with Roy creating a dangerous second team. Matthews? his job to lose as long as he continues to develop along with Batum. Unless a back up PF comes along, a lot of this is speculative. No strong back up PF and LMA won’t have the gas to get us there.

by BrizDeman on Sep 6, 2011 5:30 AM PDT reply actions  

You know?

I really don’t think things are as dire as you paint them. No we aren’t going to be winning a championship next year barring Oden suddenly playing 82 games a bit over his head, low fouls, and on a not-so-terrible contract. That said, if Landry really wants to be here, for like MLE-type money, that gets us a step closer, and then if we can trade Camby EC for Okafor at the trade deadline (lets hope we could do this… lets hope the league wants out of that contract badly… throw in a second rounder for all I care…) I really think we would be one move away at that point from contending. Landry, LMA, Okafor, Freeland (fingers crossed) would actually be all the bigs needed to contend, and all we would need was to close the revolving door at pg with a decent player. That said, thats two (three if you count bringing Freeland over) big, not-quite-realistic moves… but possible ones. We have a young core, which Wallace may or may not fit. If we have to let him go to free agency, so be it… In a few years (it will seem to go by quickly) we will be out from under the shadow of Roy’s contract. Maybe we are just the Baby Bulls… or maybe we are the Mavs from a number of years ago with Nash. If PA will spend the same way that Cuban did for that large number of years and the players we want to keep are really in it for the long haul, there is no reason to believe a short holding pattern will not reveal other possibilities.

by avalancheman on Sep 6, 2011 6:57 AM PDT reply actions  

The optimistic posts we see above are hopefully true

We’ll find out. In a way, though, they answer some of Dave’s closing questions. If Portland fans are going to keep hoping against hope (nothing wrong with that) for the miracle, they’re more likely to be angered by disappointment if things don’t work out. You can only be “grateful for recovery” if you didn’t expect much more.

I’ll admit I was in the “blame someone, heads will roll” camp for a while. Now that some time has passed from the euphoria of the #1 pick, it’s easier for me to think that while, yeah, some unlucky decisions were made, luck’s a huge part of sports. Jerry West was a soothsayer getting Kobe in LA, but he didn’t get Memphis to a title. Any idiot could have picked Tim Duncan or Shaq, and sure enough, they’ve got rings.

It’ll be interesting to see the (eventual) resolution of the labor dispute. Part of what makes fans in Portland or Sacramento cling to “what if’’s” so hard is the knowledge that small-market teams have a hugely smaller window for error than the big boys (although all the market size in the world won’t help you if you bring in Isiah Thomas for any length of time.) I’d love the NBA to achieve more parity so that every fan, of every team, has more hope than fans of struggling teams can currently have for the future. I don’t think that’s what will happen, though.

For the optimists, I might remember how the Blazers made it to the WCF the last strike-shortened year, in no small part because a young squad was in better shape to play a madly compressed schedule. The Spurs walloped them in the playoffs but it was a fun regular season!

Steve Goodman lives.

by twinsbrewer on Sep 6, 2011 7:27 AM PDT reply actions  

The first 2 rounds of the playoffs weren't bad either
The Spurs walloped them in the playoffs but it was a fun regular season!

Me after hearing of a Rudy Hardwood Classic Jersey going for $45:"Take the "RNANDEZ" part off....and sew on a "LTON and you are good to go"."

by 92wastheyear on Sep 6, 2011 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think this is likely dead on Dave

As you’ve mentioned in the past, Championship teams are built so that more things can go wrong and not upset the ship. sometimes things fall into place perfectly and don’t go wrong (77 blazers, Mavericks this year against the heat) but more often something goes wrong and the team most able to recover is more likely to win it all.

We could get Lucky. Batuum could become aggressive. Aldridge could become a player with an edge that likes to eat people up. Oden could be healthy. Roy could play a year on his knees and/or adapt. Matthews could become more consistent. The blazers could luck out in the draft and find a gem of a point guard.

Odds are though… you’re right.

"The game was delayed for over 15 minutes with 5:07 left in the second quarter after France's Nicolas Batum, who plays for the Portland Trail Blazers, dunked and twisted the rim. Volunteers and officials scrambled to put a new rim on the basket and reattach a net."

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/olybb/news/story?id=5509394

by ratbastird on Sep 6, 2011 8:50 AM PDT reply actions  

Sad, but most likely true

I have to agree with Dave’s post. Although I do hope for that miracle to come, I know in reality we are most likely seeing the demise of the promise of that eventual championship we were all hoping for just a couple years ago. In reality, Roy most likely has played his last game for the Blazers based off all the reports I have read concerning the amnesty clause expected to be in the new CBA. That right there pretty much puts the end to any hopes and dreams we had for the original incarnation of said championship with Roy-Aldridge-Oden. Then with Oden possibly leaving in a year as a FA, that doesn’t leave us with a whole lot. Now maybe Oden can be convinced that it will mean a whole lot more to persevere and finish what he had started right here in Portland (see Dirk), but that’s not the trend these days. I suspect we are headed for a few more years of mediocrity before something changes/happens that could possibly push the Blazers back to elite status. My hope is that Oden shows us his true character and/or integrity and signs here long term and realizes his true potential all the while remaining relatively healthy for the next 5 to 7 years. With both him and LA up front, Batum, Mathews and Co., that should be enough to compete at a high enough level. If you have dominate big men, then you can be adequate at your guard positions (see Avery Johnson) to compete for a championship. I know that’s asking a lot at this point, but that’s what being fan is all about, right? Of course my dream is to see Portland win a championship lead by Roy, LA and Oden… That would be the most satisfying, but at this point, I’m afraid that’s just a dream now. The most likely scenario is that the Blazers will salvage something from that tandem, which may only be Aldridge at this point. That would lead me to believe that Portland will end up having the same fate as those Garnett lead Minnesota teams… quite depressing.

by mjr428 on Sep 6, 2011 8:53 AM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, I agree and disagree

I think it’s easy to take that stance. I understand it. It’s 95%+ chance that will be the case. That we’ll look back on this era as a “too bad, if only” roster. I don’t think that’s going out on a limb at all.

However, I do not think that we are incapable of such heights as the WCF. Heatlh, breakout players, and draft gems can take a team hovering in the friend zone and vault them to more than that. I think we played Dallas pretty tough with an imbalanced roster, no Oden, and a newly integrated Gerald Wallace. We may not have Oden the next time around either but at least we’ll have a fully integrated Wallace and some semblance of front court depth.

I don’t want to come off as the blind homer but I like the pieces we have, and no matter how low our ceiling may appear to some of you I prefer to not put imaginary restrictions on what we can achieve. They play the games for a reason. A legitimate frontcourt compliment to Aldridge is a must and I think it will have residual benefits on just about every aspect of our team’s play.

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Sep 6, 2011 9:13 AM PDT reply actions  

I think it's possible

but then when you think about how lucky you need to get, also add into the equation the evidence that there’s issue with the officer/management leadership.

"The game was delayed for over 15 minutes with 5:07 left in the second quarter after France's Nicolas Batum, who plays for the Portland Trail Blazers, dunked and twisted the rim. Volunteers and officials scrambled to put a new rim on the basket and reattach a net."

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/olybb/news/story?id=5509394

by ratbastird on Sep 6, 2011 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah, I did acknowledge that it's 95%+ likely to be the case

but sports aren’t about the 95%+, it’s about the >5%. Is our management a mess? Yes. Have we made bad personnel decisions lately? No (Matthews, CJ, Wallace and imo Felton). I’ve stated this before but I could care less about the GM position as long as our personnel decisions remain sound. I think the need for frontcourt depth is widely acknowledged and will be addressed. As for luck, I don’t think any team reaches great heights without luck. Heck, more luck could have won us either or both of the first two games in Dallas last season. I just really really don’t think we’re as far away from competing in and winning 7 game playoff series against other teams in the West as many believe. Do I expect us to go to the WCF next season? No. Do I think we are incapable of it? Absolutely not. Give me a strong, deep frontcourt (totally acquirable) and let’s go toe to toe with anyone.

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Sep 6, 2011 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

You forgot Earl Barron, Berto

and Sean Marks. All joking aside, the jury is still out on CJ for me.

by AR-15 on Sep 6, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not calling CJ an impact type of player in any way

I just thought it was a smart call up. And Barron, Oberto…that was just an awkward situation all the way around. I mean, you have Oden, Camby, and Joel on the team, how much are you going to invest in a stop gap center? And then it was like, is Camby coming back, is he not coming back, we need to keep the spot open just in case, etc… And then the Gerald Wallace trade presented itself and I think you had to pull the trigger, even though it meant losing Joel, Dante, and Marks. Now is the time to rebalance, and it’s not the same situation as last year. No Joel, aging Camby, injured Oden (he wasn’t expected to be injured going into last season), no Dante means that whoever we acquire needs to be legit and capable of at least 20-25 productive minutes per night. Chuck Hayes, Emeka Okafor, Carl Landry are the general consensus. Joel Freeland eventually as well. Two years straight we’ve played musical centers though, it’s time to get some consistency and solidification in that spot independent of what Oden is able to do.

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Sep 6, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed with all

I personally want Okafor. I think if Babbit can improve (don’t laugh) we would have Babbit Camby and CJ (maybe) as capable back up 4s. With Camby Oden and Okafor as capable centers. If this happened I also think LMA would play exclusively the 4 as long as everyone is healthy (ya right). With Oden and Okafor sharing time at the 5, Camby could get 10-15 minutes between the 4 and 5 as needed giving LMA some time to rest. Then all we need is a legit back up center, crossing my fingers for either Nolan, AJ, or EWill to step up and fill that gap, and we will be a pretty good force in the west.

by AR-15 on Sep 6, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

I feel really good about Nolan

and I like Luke too, but having him at the 4 is definitely a small lineup. I’ve always hoped he could become quick enough to play the 3, but it seems stretch 4 a la Rodney Rodgers is where he’s headed. I just can’t bank on Oden anymore and I think we need to plan like we won’t have him, but still retain the flexibility to incorporate him if he does figure it out. Okafor and Freeland would do wonders in terms of shoring up the front court rotation. Even Camby is fairly iffy, I don’t know if you can even rely on him plus Oden to provide one full player’s worth of availability. Aldridge is one, Camby is like a half, Oden is like a tenth, and CJ + Luke is like a quarter…so by that math (Wallace and Nico excluded) we have 1.85 frontcourt players. I’d like to be at 3 minimum. Then you add in Crash and Nico at the 4 sometimes and you can do some things.

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Sep 6, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have a great feeling about Nolan as well

Also think Elliot could make some noise, but I’m more confident in Nolan.

by AR-15 on Sep 6, 2011 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Next season will be interesting

Because not only is the Western conference pretty much up for grabs, but if Miami doesn’t win it all…you will see people up in arms about the “big3” even more then they already are.

by AR-15 on Sep 6, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmmmm

“Gerald Wallace will either be a short-timer or an aging player.”

Or, he’s the lynchpin the team was hoping for, once they got a center who could play 37 high quality mpg.

"Coach said to always be careful around Greg, because Greg costs a lot and even the slightest amount of basketball can damage him." -- The Onion

by RedUniInLA on Sep 6, 2011 10:24 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Yes, have hope in Gerald

Maybe my memory of game six is biased, but Gerald was winning the game for the Blazers going into half…then had his back issues? which kept him out of the game…Dallas took control…Gerald came back and the Blazers began mounting a comeback, but too late…I’ve always wondered what might have been if Gerald had been able to stay in the third quarter…

by eypark on Sep 7, 2011 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hmm...

   …I think critical evaluation of a team important and valid as a fan. I’m not a “Polly Anna” only show me the positives type. But as a fan? If there is reason for optimism I’m going to embrace as much as realistically possible.

  And I’m optimistic about this team. First of all, in the playoffs we played the eventual Champions about as well as anyone. In retrospect, we’ve heard nothing but positives from Dallas about Portlands perfomance. Is that worth something. Not in results…but I do take it as a positive. I think unfortunately for Portland, in the playoffs The Blazers were the fire that tempered Dallas’s Championship metal. But it is indicative that The Blazers are a talented team.

  Secondly? I do like our talent. I’m anxcious to see what Raymond Felton exists for The Blazers….as I’ve said in other posts…it’s a “show me” situation, BUT if the best of our hopes for Felton are realized, we could be very pleasently suprised. Felton has the potential to be one of the best PG’s in his prime…that we’ve had in a long time.

  To be honest? Aldridge suprised me last season. I did not expect him to raise his game consistently to the level he did raise it to…and with respect for this accomplishment, I’m now not putting a ceiling on his potential. I think he’s poised to become an All-Star. It’s “show me” and it’s up to him…but why should I sad sack, and put any type of ceiling on what he may accomplish. He suprised me last season…here’s hoping he suprises the entire N.B.A. next season…

  This is not a perfect roster. Our depth is suspect, especially on the frontline. Our scoring talent is suspect. But again? I’ve followed the N.B.A. and the Blazers long enough to know that you often have unexpected negatives arise…but also unexpected postives.

  Nolan Smith, Elliot Williams….Armon Johnson…who knows? Who knows who might emerge as a real viable talent? Seems to me Elliot Williams is nothing less than a delayed 1st round pick, and I’m curious to see what the investment into Williams might yield.

  Oddly, the person I’m most worried about, is someone most Blazer fans are very high on. That’s Gerald Wallace. I was/am happy about the trade. I like Gerald Wallace. But IMO what is worriesome is he showed a lack of consistency. This may be attributable to his struggle to integrate in a late season trade to a new team…but maybe not. I do wonder how much is left in the tank with this athletic but aging player, and I wonder on a night to night basis what Gerald Wallace is likely to show up….The Beast…or The Invisible Wallace…? Because I saw both in the shortened time he was here last season and post season.

  Anyway…I think there are plenty of reasons to be optimistic about what this team could accomplish, and plenty of reasons to be pessimistic….

  Once the season is launched? I’m taking a show me attitude. With a hopeful bent that I’ll see the best we could expect..which IMO could be pretty damn good.

"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"

by Krang on Sep 6, 2011 11:47 AM PDT reply actions  

The West is Wild again

As it looks now, the teams who have dominated the western conference for the past decade and change (spurs, lakers, mavs) are on the way out. the field is opening up, and I don’t think the thunder are going to manage to dominate over the west, though they will be contending.that leaves the doors open for teams like the blazers, nuggets, grizzlies, rockets, or even the clippers to establish themselves as contenders in the west. of these teams, i think we have a solid advantage over the field.

We have a solid number one option in LaMarcus Aldridge, who has a strong work ethic and who i think will start to look more like the beast we saw in february as he regains confidence and learns to work with wallace and felton. our biggest need is at center, where there are many free agents this year. if we manage to sign a quality defensive center, our team has a good chance at becoming contenders.

The Nuggets are in a tricky position right now, with a few of their main players becoming free agents and a good chance that some of them could leave. If they lose Nene or Afflalo, they could have a good chance of ending up in the lottery.

The Grizzlies and Clippers both have solid teams built up, but I’m suspicious of the owners on both of those teams, who both have reputations of being cheap and messing with players (almost not paying rookies, insulting players, firing coaches and refusing to pay them). the Grizz have a better established team and Heisley is definitely not as bad as sterling, but if his team wants to contend, it’ll have to be in the next few years as Randolph is 29 and only has a few years before his career starts to go downhill. the Clippers have a longer time frame, with two promising young players, but i wonder whether Gordon and Griffin will look towards better managed teams once free agency comes up.

In short we have about as good of a chance to contend in the west over the next few years of any team outside the thunder and maybe the grizz. just hope the lockout ends and david stern gets impeached so we can get back to basketball.

by YoniRap on Sep 6, 2011 2:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Lucky Blazer Fans -- an outside perspective.

I grew up in the Bay Area, a hardcore Warriors fan, during the ’80s, when the Warriors mostly stunk. I left the Bay area to go to college right around the time the Warriors became very good with Run TMC. Returned and the Warriors have pretty much stunk since then, with the exceptions of the 2007/2008 seasons. During most of that time, the Blazers have made the playoffs, and I watched with envy and enjoyment as they battled some of the great teams with some great casts of their own, rooting for them as a kind of second home team. Now I live in Ashland, OR, and was lucky enough to watch many of the Blazers games on TV last season, during which time I became completely enamored of the team, as well as the radio/TV broadcasters & commentators.

As someone who loves basketball, loves finding players and teams to root for and identify with, I would say that Portland fans are extremely fortunate. It’s kind of like being an Atlanta Braves or a Utah Jazz fan, watching their team make it to the playoffs year after year but not going all the way. To me, that’s a helluva lot better than being a fan of a team that is plagued by perennial mismanagement upstairs and under-performing players/coaches. I can hardly ever find a Warriors game on national TV; the Blazers don’t have that problem. The Blazers made the playoffs every year for more than two decades. I would have killed to have grown up with a team like that.

I will continue to enjoy the Blazers team, root for Batum and Matthews to fully flower, get jazzed seeing Gerald Wallace hustle all over the floor, be curious about how Felton and Nolan Smith are gonna fit in, and hope that Oden returns somewhat healthy and LA continues to dominate and get the recognition he deserves. Blazers fans have a team with a great coach and intelligent players who make a game of it every night. Every city should be so lucky.

by Daniel Jokelson on Sep 7, 2011 4:45 PM PDT reply actions  

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