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Draft Red Flags

"Tweener"

"Still Raw"

"Inconsistent"

"Must Improve: Basketball Ability"

These are a few of the red flags that sometimes get attached to NBA prospects leading up to the draft.  While these red flags are some of the more common ones, there are many, many, many more that for whatever reason don't get mentioned by the so-called "experts" on draft websites. Continue after the jump to see more:

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#1-Wore a t-shirt under his jersey in college

I wrote about this prior to last year's draft. To all those who reflexively say "Well what about Patrick Ewing?", go and read the post. If you still don't believe that there is some predictive power in this test remember this: Ewing wasn't the best player in his draft class; Arvydas Sabonis* was. Ewing wasn't even the 2nd best player in his draft class; Karl Malone was. Rewatching the 1985 NBA Lottery shows you just how highly regarded Ewing was entering the league, and you would have a very hard time saying that he met those expectations. The reason? It's gotta be the t-shirt.

(*Yes, Sabonis was drafted in the 1985 draft although the pick was later nullified because he wasn't old enough to eligible to be draft due to being. The Blazers drafted him the next year despite Sabonis blowing out his Achilles a month prior. If teams are willing to draft you when you might not be eligible and/or after you blow our your Achilles you must be an awesome player) 

Finally (and perhaps must importantly) Justin Beiber wears a t-shirt under his jersey. Would you draft Justin Beiber? Likewise you shouldn't draft t-shirt wearers.

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#2- Has posters of "Rage Against The Machine" and Che Guevara on the wall.

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#3- Has ridiculous tattoos

Many people say that their tattoos reveal something about themselves and/or their personality. As such if a player has a tattoo (or tattoos) that make you say "What were they thinking?", teams should think twice about drafting said player due to their obviously questionable decision making ability. Examples of such tattoos include: a neck tat of Abraham Lincolna knight riding a dragonScrappy DooFred Flintstonewhatever you call Stephon Marbury's head tattoo, and seemingly almost any tattoo of Chris Anderson or J.R. Smith.

#4- Is older than me

I am 30. If you been drafted by then, odds are you aren't going to do anything in the NBA.

What other draft red flags are there?

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blazers drafting a center in the first round

LaRue Martin, Bill Walton (short lived and injured), Sam Bowie, Alaa Abdelnaby, Jermaine O’Neal (did well not on our team), Chris Anstey, Greg Oden (TBD-i am still on that wagon)

We did good with (drum roll please):
Mychal Thompson
Arvydas Sabonis

"I told somebody to stop crying," Pendergraph said after the game. "Actually, I told them all to stop crying."

by cornplant on Jun 6, 2011 10:33 PM PDT reply actions  

o'neal is a pf.

if you include him you have to include lamarcus aldridge and zach randolph.

by SaveOden on Jun 7, 2011 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is listed at less than 6'0

That typically means they are somewhere in the 5’6 to 5’8 range. Anyone 5’10 and above will list themselves as at least 6’0.

by SaveOden on Jun 7, 2011 7:56 AM PDT reply actions  

tingeyga i love your t-shirt theory.

but i still really disagree with cutting it off with your “armpit criteria”.

i think that any t-shirt under the jersey looks terrible and is an affront on the game of basketball. while the full sleeved t-shirt is the worst, wearing anything under the jersey besides an underarmor type tank shows that the player is probably insecure and wimpy.

i also disagree with you that jj reddick is anything other than a terrible basketball player and miserable human being. sure, he’s better than adam morrison, but it took him 5 years in the pros to become an adequate bench warmer. he was wildly overrated in college, winning player of the year, and still is. did i mention he went to duke?

by SaveOden on Jun 7, 2011 8:07 AM PDT reply actions  

Had to rec this because it dealt with all-important T-shirt under the jersey issue.

I think this issue doesn’t get enough importance. I say it’s about time we create a stat for this..something like (# of game with T-shirt) / (total games played).

The cake was a lie.

by xedubx on Jun 7, 2011 12:43 PM PDT reply actions  

Played well at Duke.

For every Grant Hill or Shane Battier, there’s a Cherokee Parks. Something about Dukies is just irritating.

by superfly05 on Jun 7, 2011 7:10 PM PDT reply actions  

yes!

duke sucks.

christian laettner and danny ferry.

sadly, our expectations are so lowered for duke players that people think battier and redick are success stories. they were picked #6 and #11 respectively and are role players.

boozer is probably the best duke pro of recent years, but he kind of sucks and is a total jerk (hi cleveland!).

by SaveOden on Jun 8, 2011 5:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ok guys

first of all, Cherokee Parks lasted a solid decade in the NBA. Second of all, Christian Laettner? Dream Team baby!

Go Devils

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on Jun 9, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

One of my biggest red flags are post players who've got relatively short standing reaches.

"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."

by AK1984 on Jun 8, 2011 1:55 PM PDT reply actions  

Oh don't be shy.

You hate on guards with short arms too. Cough. Bayless. Cough.

"You can pretty much flip a coin to see which Portland team will show up: the dark-horse world-beaters or the mixed-up eggbeaters" - Dave

by conspirator5 on Jun 8, 2011 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

With perimeter players, I worry more about short wingspans than standing reaches.

"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."

by AK1984 on Jun 9, 2011 2:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know about the tee shirt theory

Chris Mullins, Larry Johnson and Patrick Ewing all sported them back in the 80’s – time when it seemed like it was first being done…admit I wasn’t big on the look when it started up.

by KevNW on Jun 8, 2011 11:52 PM PDT reply actions  

How many times did they win a championship?

I will give this exception though, it was dope back in the day….

dinasour type of guys choir boys

by mittsabishy on Jun 9, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Neither Sabonis nor Malone would have led the Knicks to where Ewing did

It always amazes me how underrated Ewing is. I guess you had to watch him play night in and night out to truly understand how good he was. He had the turnaround perfected before Olajuwon did. He was a knockdown 18 foot jumpt shooter. He was a huge defensive presence. His hands were suspect compared to say, Shaq. But otherwise he was really a great all around player.

But those Knicks teams he led were, for about 4 years, the second best teams in the league behind MJ’s Bulls. They gave the Bulls the only true tests they had in the playoffs those first 3 championships. And that was with CBA players (Starks and Mason) and castoff role players (Oak – love him but he was just tough, not talented, Charles Smith, etc.) playing primary roles behind Ewing. I don’t believe there is any way Malone or Sabonis ever gets that group of players to play at the level they did with Ewing. None.

I was lucky enough to see him play night in and night out and Malone and Stocton, while great together, likely would not have done by themselves what Ewing did by himself. And Sabonis, I didn’t see him play before he got to the NBA so who’s to say what he could have done when he was younger. But at the time he got to the NBA, he was just a good complimentary player. An All-Star only because the league has always starved for solid bigs.

If I had to rate all-time centers, he would be well above Sabonis and behind only Russell, Wilt, Kareem, Shaq, and slightly behind Olajuwon since Hakeem got him in the finals (only thanks to Starks shooting 1 for a million in the potential clinching game for the Knicks).

by jcuw94 on Jun 9, 2011 9:59 AM PDT reply actions  

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