Free Agency: Potential Big Men Targets for Portland
by AJB2 on Jun 29, 2011 1:59 PM PDT
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It has become obvious to anyone who follows the Blazers closely that we must look to add a big man or two this off-season (whenever that is). We don't have the money to get a big-time player, but another rotation player with size is necessary.
Following is an extensive list and short analysis of free agent big men Portland may set their sites on. They are divided in to five separate groups, mostly based on the money they are likely to command. Nene, Duncan, Gasol, and other highly expensive players are not included.
Unlikely Targets:
These guys will probably get the full mid-level or more. We may pursue them but they are likely to sign elsewhere.
Dalembert will probably either get a big contract from a bad team like Sacramento, or sign the mid-level in Miami. I would love to have him here if we could find a way. Landry will probably re-sign in New Orleans if West leaves, otherwise he will have a lot of mid-level exceptions to choose from.
We briefly talked to Davis a few years back, but he will probably want a fat paycheck and a bigger role if he leaves Boston. I doubt Humphries and his celebrity girl want to come to Portland, besides I'd like to see him play well outside of a contract year first.
Role-Playing Vets
These guys will go for the bi-annual exception or some portion of the mid-level and provide some minutes off the bench. I would think Portland will try to land one of these nine guys.
Injury history and attitude may deter Portland, but his defense, toughness, and experience would really help the Blazers in the playoffs especially.
Rebounds like nobody's business but is undersized and has no offense. Played with Nate. I wouldn't want to get in a fight with him.
Undersized but has good defense and underrated offense at the 4/5. Houston will try to bring him back.
Slow and bad defense but has size and can shoot and rebound.
Shows flashes but has kinda fallen off the map playing for Detroit. Can play the 4 or 5 on both ends. Another former Nate player.
Your typical 10 mpg center off the bench, not a bad player. Had a good playoff game against the Lakers.
Not very tall at 6'7 but has had breakfasts bigger than Chris Johnson. Provides energy and scoring off the bench.
His decent role-playing skills are overshadowed by his status as a major bust.
Seriously sucks but is really really (REALLY) big and pretty young. No more room for him in Utah.
Returning Heroes:
There has been a lot of talk here about bringing one of these guys back (especially the first two). Might be a good move.
Many would like to bring him and his energy back. Even when he is not playing we may need him cheering from the bench if Patty is not back.
The biggest thing we lost in the Wallace trade was Przybilla's enforcer role. He would fight a bear if said bear messed with his teammates. And probably win too. I miss the Thrilla and hope he can make a full recovery and come to Portland again.
We'll see if Miami brings him back. Showed he still has a little left in the tank.
Has been solid for the Pacers. Restricted so it may be tough to bring him back but would be nice off the bench. Pacers may be chasing West or Landry.
Had to put him in here but not sure that Charlotte is going to let him get away easily.
Young Prospects
These guys are pretty young and unproven, probably not what Portland is looking for. But the price may not be high and the payoff could be nice.
Yi Jianlin
Jonas Jerebko
Yi and Wright have fallen well short of their expectations coming in to the league. Both have size and skill though and just need to use them better.
Smith had some injury detours but came back and had a very solid season for NOH last year. Jerebko missed the whole year after a promising rookie season. The Hornets and Pistons probably won't let these two go. Haddadi hasn't played a lot but once he learns the game a little better could play decent backup minutes.
Minimum Scale
Those of these guys who don't re-sign will probably just be looking for a minimum deal, preferably on a playoff team.
Jeff Foster
Kurt Thomas
Erick Dampier
Leon Powe
Shelden Williams
Jared Jeffries
Solomon Jones
Tony Battie
Francisco Elson
All of these guys are veterans who can actually play a role off the bench, mostly defensive. One of them would be a good addition, especially to fill the last roster spot.
The rest are guys who would probably have to fight for spot minutes.
Josh Powell
Darius Songaila
DJ Mbenga
Joe Smith
Brian Cardinal
Melvin Ely
Hilton Armstrong
Etan Thomas
Jamaal Magloire
Jason and Jarron Collins
Dan Gadzuric
Alex Ajinca
What do you guys think? Which one or two guys would you like to see realistically come in to add depth up front?
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i like kurt thomas, chuck hayes
Felton will make a lot of people have selective memory on their reaction to draft night
Raymond Felton's job requires him to where a sleeveless shirt in front of thousands of people; it should not be this hard to determine whether or not he is fat.
Trade for Iggy
Chuck Freakin Hayes, aka the Chuckwagon.
Here’s a nice summary of him shutting Amar’e down completely one evening in NYC:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6f5Uyu6Dv4
It’s very true that Houston is going to want to re-sign him. I think it’s entirely possible to steal him away. He’s been with that team since he’s been drafted, he’s on a cheap contract, and he’s watched the team go from contention to full-on rebuilding. He’s worth more than he currently makes, and I suspect he’s worth more than the Rockets are willing to pay for him.
"You can pretty much flip a coin to see which Portland team will show up: the dark-horse world-beaters or the mixed-up eggbeaters" - Dave
by conspirator5 on Jun 29, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bonus link:
Here’s an advanced statistical breakdown of Chuck’s defense courtesy of our esteemed colleagues at The Dream Shake:
http://www.thedreamshake.com/2010/5/11/1468295/why-retain-chuck-hayes-a
"You can pretty much flip a coin to see which Portland team will show up: the dark-horse world-beaters or the mixed-up eggbeaters" - Dave
by conspirator5 on Jun 29, 2011 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Chuck will never leave houston as long as they want him
he is the fan favorite, won’t happen.
That is a freaking phenomenal nickname
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 30, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
A YouTube compilation
of DEFENSE. You don’t see that every day. I want to see the Chuck Wagon on the Oregon Trail. I could never say that face to face, waaaay to corny.
Chuck Hayes is the perfect type of big to put next to LaMarcus Aldridge.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
Yeah and if you are into that sort of thing
Hayes next to him probably allows him to get enough rebounds to land in the All star game, rather then playing next to a tall center who can dominate the glass.
Get it done... Paul.
Portland can have both
LMA would look nice to Oden or Hayes
OTOH, Greg and Chuck would not make a good 4-5 combo, but their shifts could be easily staggered in the big man rotation
I wouldn’t mind Foster, or the return of Przy. On courtside they said some positive things re: Pendergaph’s game becoming less mechanical
but I’d target Hayes #1
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
nice *next to
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
ANYTHING but that.
Can’t stand her or any of her siblings. UGH! And I’m being nice about it.
Duct tape makes you smart.
Amen
I’d prefer TMZ not hang around the Blazers facilities.
by GoForthAndDie on Jun 30, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Amen to your amen.
"Coach said to always be careful around Greg, because Greg costs a lot and even the slightest amount of basketball can damage him." -- The Onion
i could be wrong but
I’m pretty sure Charlotte’s resigned Dante. If not, he seems to have really improved and would be great to have
You forgot Nazr Mohammed.
The smarter you are, the more likely you are to be tripping balls at any given moment.
Bring Back Dre.
Funny you should mention that
I actually put him on there initially and five seconds later read that he re-signed and took him right back off
I'd be down with Martin, Fesenko or Evans
we don’t need an undersized PF – which rules out a lot of these guys. Fesenko is a legit C, one of the few around, and he’s young, plus it would be yet another mining of the Jazz
Martin and Evans both appeal because they are tough, proven guys that can get the job done, and that’s what we need right now. Martin has much more of an offensive game, and would probably come at a higher price
I like Chuck Hayes but at 6’6" i don’t know if that’s the right direction
by rip_city_swagger on Jun 29, 2011 3:24 PM PDT reply actions
this^
he’s a tree stump, nobody pushes CH under the basket, as opposed to Camby, CJ, etc
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Kenyon Martin is a good post defender.
Can finish alley oops, scores at an efficient rate & would provide some much needed toughness.
Get it done... Paul.
If someone wanted to, they could start looking at players using the Chad Buchanan Method.
Which players have improved each year they were in the league? That’s a list of people I think the Blazers would target. But I’m too lazy to figure it out right now.
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McRoberts!
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 30, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
McRobert’s increased his numbers every year and earned more playing time. He has a PER over 16. He’d be a great fit for the Blazers IMO.
Kris Humphries killed it last year, so he'll probably get overpaid
Dalembert will get a good sized contract from somebody. I think NYK is going to resign Jeffries and Turiaf….
I just don’t know. I still think the best route to take is a trade.
Sheldon Williams
He’s cheap and most importantly can play both post positions. The need for both a backup for LMA and a backup 5 because of the injury concerns with Camby and Oden makes it important that both the backup 4 and 5 spots be addressed if a single player can play both effectively his value increases to PDX . The big question mark that is Oden means if he and Camby are healthy whatever FA big PDX gets could see his minutes go from 25 minutes a game to 10 or less with a healthy Oden and Camby full MLE guys would be more likely to kvetch about lost playing time than a player picked up at closer to the minimum. PDX also has Freeland who sounds like he wants to come over for the 2012-13 NBA season so using a full MLE on a FA big like Hayes or Humphries would reduce both money and minutes from Freeland in 2012-13. Oden,Camby, LMA and CJ are varying degrees of skinny guys at 6’9 250 Sheldon Williams has some bulk which would be nice to have in some form along the Blazers front line. Maybe add a Pendy, Howard, or best of all Pryz and PDX will have at least ok post depth.
Red means run, son, numbers add up to nothin
Let's get Shelden and McBob
and stockpile the Dukies!!!
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 30, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
McRoberts had pretty good stats last year
Portland would probably have to offer him significant role and a mult-year contract Indiana would not match. Portland would still need a true center in case Camby gets injured or Oden does not return.
AJB2 get's a big rec for effort and commentary
by oregonslee on Jun 29, 2011 4:51 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
My Ideal Free Agency Pull-
Sign Chuck Hayes with the MLE, sign James Jones with a smaller deal (maybe using part of the MLE), and sign Pendegraph to the minimum. Is it possible- probably not. But I can keep hoping.
poison offer like to Millsap and Matthews
Houston would have to think really hard about it
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Can't we just get some steroids flowing Chris Johnson's way?
Seriously, I think the answer is already on the roster.
Channing Frye
I firmly believe that if you have a strong defensive center starting next to Aldridge, the buffet of goodness could come here & contribute at a high level off the bench. He loves Portland & can stretch the floor. Got his rebound average close to 7 per game this year, a block a game & pretty much never turns the ball over.
Get it done... Paul.
I think Channing's value under Nate is far less than it is in other systems
that’s not a knock on Nate or Channing, just the way I see things
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 30, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah
much more than the MLE
Felton will make a lot of people have selective memory on their reaction to draft night
Raymond Felton's job requires him to where a sleeveless shirt in front of thousands of people; it should not be this hard to determine whether or not he is fat.
Trade for Iggy
by thomasikehara on Jun 30, 2011 3:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Etan Thomas?
What happened to that dude. For awhile it appeared he was playing decent ball.
The dude is a poet. Radical antiwar leftist politics. Kind of a throw back.
This is my signature. Do you like it?
wow. i had no idea.
that’s awesome.
apparently he had open heart surgery a few years ago? not sure how it’s affected his game.
it looks like the Hawks are going to sign him.
by DefenderOfPants on Jun 30, 2011 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions
He got old.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
I like
Przybilla, Haddadi, Dampier, and Landry
I think Dampier got a lot of
DNP Coach’s decision in the playoffs so maybe he sucks?
1-He played for Miami. 2-He isn't one of the Threego
Ergo, yes, he sucks.
by GoForthAndDie on Jul 1, 2011 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Ah yes........
Frye would be great if he is available. Knock down the 3 big man!!!!!
I just looked at Humphries' stats.
How many of you would have known he’s entering his 8th year in the league nest season? I sure wouldn’t have. Classic example of a guy whose numbers spike in a contract year who will immediately return to obscurity. No thanks.
Of the names mentioned, KMart is the only that stands out for me. Regardless of skills, minutes, etc., this team needs to get tougher in the playoffs. KMart’s an enforcer. Do it.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
K-Mart and Przy
The number one factor in signing or trading for a big should be that when they play next to Aldridge the other team must play their 4 on LMA and their 5 on the new guy.
by Oden Mad, Oden Smash! on Jun 29, 2011 11:45 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
it's because he was a one and done at Minnesota if I'm not mistaken
after originally planning on going to Duke
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 30, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
sign the 8th year 4ward with a 5head 2morrow!
and some people think his girlfriend is 6y. i personally think she’s 8trocious.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
I would still go after Landry even though he'll get plenty of attention from other teams
It’s worth a shot even if he doesn’t sign here. We need some inside scoring off the bench. Then, I would sign a big body to a min vet deal.
I don’t think I would extend the full MLE to anyone but Landry. Chuck Hayes and Kenyon Martin are two other guys I wouldn’t mind having on the team. I don’t think I would give anyone else more than a min. deal.
#52
does anyone else mix up carl landry and chuck hayes?
i always forget whose on which team.
Resident Smartass.
and my residency is Blazersedge.com
it was easier when they were on the same team
"Well, you can always sell your team."
Carl Landry is all about offense, while Chuck Hayes is all about defense.
Give me Hayes.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
How about trading...
I’d love to get Okafer. In this deal with Minnesota and New Orleans, N.O. gets a little better but more importantly gets some 1 year contracts so they can make a play for Howard. Minnesota eases the logjam at PF by dealing Beasely and gets a serious upgrade at SF in Batum who’s style would gel with Rubio well. Portland gets a legit starting Center in Okafer, a legit back-up C/PF in Randolph and downgrades our backup SF to Webster.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3t6xp7r
Anthony Randolph is not a PF/C
He is a small forward in a skinny power forward’s body, like Channing Frye but with much less shooting, and Channing didn’t have much to begin with.
Gonna go with No.
"Every day was a good day at UCLA." -Coach John Wooden
by OswegoBruin on Jun 30, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Randolph has the length to effect shooters
and he can be a good weak side shot blocker, but bigger forwards can post him up. Played with Chris Johnson at LSU for the All-American-Beanpole lineup. Still loads of potential.
Get it done... Paul.
I wouldn't be willing to give up Batum
for any of the players we are getting.
If we entered the season with the 4/5 roster looking like this...
PF: LMA, Hayes, C Johnson
C: Dalembert, Oden, Ratliff/Hayes
…I honestly think we could make a deep playoff run.
Dalembert brings defense and health; Hayes is a really solid 4, and can hold his own at the 5; all Ratliff does is defend, but he does it well – just another big option, while Oden is working up to playing again. Chris Johnson is on the upswing.
oh do you propose to sign both Dalembert and Hayes?
"Well, you can always sell your team."
That was my thought, yeah.
If we worked a sign-and-trade for Dalembert-Camby, Dalembert would be making double what he could in Miami, and doing it on a team that had deep playoff potential. We need his reliability – even if he plays like an 80% Camby, he has only missed 2 regular-season games since 05-06. 80% Camby for every game this season would make us a force. The Kings would also end up with the last year of a great 4/5, which gives them options with their own up-and-coming good 4/5. Good for everybody.
Hayes is worth the heavier part of an MLE, and I wouldn’t think it was overpaying if we gave it to him, considering what he would bring. Ratliff was one of my favorite parts of a bad Blazers team, back in the day, and could be had for an every-other-year exception price (if we have one this year).
I like that idea
Maybe sweeten the deal with a 2nd pick and cash or something. Not sure I pay Hayes that much but that would be a killer defensive lineup. I would fill out the last spot with someone other than Ratliff, not sure he has anything left.
Nene Hilario has just reject an offer from the nuggets to become a free agent....he is a beast!
The PuertoRican Kid
by Kobe:The Legend on Jun 30, 2011 10:30 AM PDT reply actions
An expensive beast
that we cannot afford without doing a sign and trade.
Jason Thompson just became available
because of the JJ HIckson trade. He’s now the third string PF for the Kings. Seems like a reasonable candidate for a backup.
indeed he does
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
My dream scenarios:
1. Trade Camby and filler for Okafor
2. Sign McBob
3. Sign Haddadi
"Nicolas! You're the strongest boy in the world!"
by ericking on Jun 30, 2011 12:33 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Then no deal.
I’m thinking filler like Williams or Babbitt, plus cash.
"Nicolas! You're the strongest boy in the world!"
Were going to jack up Dieblers trade value by the deadline
set him on pace to break Rudy’s 3 record.
Get it done... Paul.
Where's Pendergraph?
Purgitory?
Let’s switch out armon or patty for Pendy!
My Dream Bigs (that are remotely possible)
- Turiaf (aggressive dude)
-K Mart (all around good player; could put up good mins as backup)
-Fesenko (dude is huge)
-Kwame Brown (decent backup Center)
-Aaron Gray (good enough for spot mins)
-Penderbeast (he’s decent, but tough)
I dont want Landry (undersized), NENE (he’ll be overpaid),or Pryz (wayyy too slow now).
As if the blind rage had washed me clean, I opened myself to the gentle indifference of the world... For everything to be consummated, for me to feel less alone, I had only to wish that there be a large crowd of spectators the day of my execution and that they greet me with cries of hate.
by thankyouforblaze on Jun 30, 2011 4:49 PM PDT reply actions
I want Przy back.
He’s only 31 and has shown he can get healthy.
Creator of Projectile project management/invoicing/time tracking system.
he's been extremely injury prone his entire career
and he barely looked like he could limp up and down the court last year. he’s ready for retirement.
How do you know that he wasn't still recovering?
And that he might be back to 100% this season, albeit a little aged?
"Coach said to always be careful around Greg, because Greg costs a lot and even the slightest amount of basketball can damage him." -- The Onion
spencer hawes!!!!!!!!
"I told somebody to stop crying," Pendergraph said after the game. "Actually, I told them all to stop crying."
No love for Jeff Foster?
He’s a hard-nosed ballplayer. Wouldn’t be a bad guy to have on the end of the bench.
The Dos Equis guy lives life like Chip Kelly calls plays.
Haven't seen many Indy games lately
I don’t know if Foster is starting to show signs of age, because I’ve had no reason to watch the Pacers lately, but yeah he’d be a good one to have coming off the bench.
Foster would be good
Of all the oldies he would be one of my top choices. He isn’t that good but is big, plays hard, and would bring experience. I’d be down with him as our final big man.
Him and dalembert are the two guys who did best at guarding aldridge this year
We played the kings and the pacers twice when LA was going supernova and he had rough games all 4 times
No one in the world can beat me at RBI baseball 3(nes).
this^
I’d still rather have Hayes, but Jeff is chippy and the Blazer’s front court has been lacking toughness since Joel left town
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Some scenarios for getting 2 bigs
With Oden a giant question mark and Camby riding off into the sunset, we basically need 2 more capable bigs for the roster, one PF and one C. And basically we’ve got a sign and trade or MLE to work with plus the vet minimum or biannual exception. So basically, we get one pretty good player and one meh player.
1. Sam Dalembert and Jeff Pendergraph. Not sure how we make this happen … but if we could somehow get Dalembert to start at C for us, that would be boss. On the right team he’s a defensive anchor, and we haven’t had that since Joel P went down. Jeff P might be available for a low number, and can plays some solid D at the backup PF spot. And no, Lil Bit is NOT a center. This combo though makes us instantly a pretty decent defensive team.
2. Nene and KMart – Basically, trade with Denver (Batum and Camby? I have no idea honestly…) to get their frontcourt on sign and trades. Nene is a true 4/5 and KMart gives us a defensive presence. It’s not a prototypical lineup, but it lets Nate throw a bunch of different looks at other teams based on matchups.
3. Chuck Hayes and Joel Pryzbilla – Hayes backs up the 4 and locks down opposing PFs while LMA spends some time at the 5 abusing opposing centers, while the Vanilla provides us a true defensive center off the bench, and hopefully is both healthy enough to play and available for cheap (is that too much to hope for?)
4. Jeff Foster and Chris Wilcox – Neither of these guys is a premiere player, so this is basically the cheap option. But both would do well in Nate’s system and again provide the team with a bunch of different looks we could throw at people.
As you can probably tell, I like to have at least some bigs that play D. Also, I think Glen Davis is not the player we want to pay big money to. I just wanted to add that.
I agree about Davis. If he wasn't wearing green for the last five years, most people wouldn't know his name
No one in the world can beat me at RBI baseball 3(nes).
Free Agency is soooooooooooo 2010
Felton will make a lot of people have selective memory on their reaction to draft night
Raymond Felton's job requires him to where a sleeveless shirt in front of thousands of people; it should not be this hard to determine whether or not he is fat.
Trade for Iggy
by thomasikehara on Jul 4, 2011 11:12 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Sam Dalembert
Chuck Hayes
(healthy) Joel Przybilla
Kurt Thomas
Jeff Foster
those are the only 5 guys I have interest in, really. Landry is a scorer, not the rebounding/defensive presence we lack.
"Say his NAME, Portland. Gerald Wallace is...awesome." -Dave, 4/9/11
Player % Score ChancesDwight Howard 35.80 229
Mehmet Okur 36.10 233
Perkins 36.2 254
Al Horford 37.40 310
Andrew Bynum 38.90 185
Tim Duncan 39.40 231
Jermaine O’Neal 39.90 238
Nene 40.20 301
Brook Lopez 42.50 261
Pau Gasol 42.90 198
Chris Bosh 43.50 191
Sam Dalembert 43.70 206
Joakim Noah 43.80 201
Stoudemire 44.50 236
Roy Hibbert 44.90 205
Chuck Hayes 45.60 287
Andrew Bogut 45.70 175
Al Jefferson 45.80 212
Carlos Boozer 45.90 257
Marc Gasol 46.20 184
Spencer Hawes 47.90 219
Chris Andersen 49.30 140
David Lee 51.10 321
Luis Scola 54.00 215
DeJuan Blair 54.00 137
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I accidentally posted this, but it's good anyway.
It shows the percent of times a player is scored against while defending the post. Blair was really, really, really bad. Okur was surprisingly good.
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