Portland Trail Blazers Tender Qualifying Offer To Center Greg Oden
by Ben Golliver on Jun 29, 2011 4:32 PM PDT
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PrintThe Portland Trail Blazers announced via press release on Wednesday that the organization has decided to tender a Qualifying Offer to center Greg Oden. The offer, worth $8.8 million, makes Oden a restricted free agent and gives the Blazers the right to match any offers made to him by other teams. The deadline to tender the offer was Thursday, June 30.
"We've stood behind Greg Oden every day since he became a Trail Blazer and that continues with today's announcement," said Trail Blazers President Larry Miller . "Despite the setbacks he's experienced, he continues to be resilient in working tirelessly on his rehabilitation. We're all very encouraged with not only his progress, but with his commitment and determination to return to the basketball court."
Jason Quick of The Oregonian has posted further comments from Miller.
"At the end of the day, it's not Greg's fault that he has not been able to be healthy,'' Miller said. "He has caught some bad breaks. But we still believe in Greg.''
"At this point, we are not going to give up on him,'' Miller said. "When we drafted him, we believed - as did most people around the NBA - that he is a game changer. And he has shown us in some of the games when he was healthy, we still believe that he can help us win. So based on what we believe Greg can bring to the table, it was not a difficult decision for us.''
Mike Barrett of Blazers.com has posted a few thoughts from Blazers Acting GM Chad Buchanan.
"We were excited to tender him this offer," said Blazers acting general manager Chad Buchanan. "We've been very pleased with the progress Greg has made. He has been through a lot with us. He knows that we still firmly believe in him. There's a reason for us tendering him this offer. We hope to see him back on the court just as soon as he is ready."
"I think he's very happy that we've tendered this offer," said Buchanan. "He's very excited about it. He understands the committment we're making by offering his contract."
Marc Spears of Yahoo! Sports reported earlier Wednesday that the Blazers had informed Oden's representatives earlier this week that they would tender the Qualifying Offer.
Zach Lowe of SI.com posted his thoughts on the Qualifying Offer today. Earlier, we noted Kelly Dwyer of Yahoo! Sports had a take as well.
The move has been anticipated for months. Blazers president Larry Miller said back in Nov. 2010 that the organization would issue a Qualifying Offer to Oden as long as his rehabilitation progressed without setbacks.
The Qualifying Offer is mostly a procedural move. However, it should be taken as a good sign because it serves as concrete evidence that the Blazers believe Oden has a future, both in basketball and with the team, and that the Blazers believe that Oden's future is worth at least $8.8 million next season, no small sum.
Had no offer been tendered, speculation would have mounted that either Oden had more serious health issues than have been made public, that the Blazers no longer believed he fit with their organizational plans going forward, or that he simply wasn't worth $8.8 million and that avoiding paying that sum was worth the risk that he would sign elsewhere in free agency this summer.
With an impending lockout to begin on July 1, the free agency period will be put on hold until the lockout is resolved. Once the NBA is back in full gear, there will be a number of scenarios for the two parties to wade through.
First: Oden could decide to accept the Qualifying Offer and return to the Blazers for the 2011-2012 season at the $8.8 million dollar figure. If he accepted the Qualifying Offer, he would become an unrestricted free agent during the summer of 2012.
Second: Oden could solicit offers from around the league. If another team signs Oden to an offer sheet, the Blazers would have seven days to match the offer and retain his rights for the duration of the contract stipulated in the offer. The Blazers would also have the right not to match that contract, allowing Oden to join the team that made him the contract offer.
Third: The Blazers and Oden could agree to sign a multi-year contract extension as well.
Oden was the first pick in the 2007 NBA Draft. He has played in just 82 games combined in his first four NBA seasons, averaging 9.4 points and 7.3 rebounds per game. As a Blazer, Oden has undergone microfracture surgery on each of his knees and also fractured his left patella, missing the entire 2007-2008 and 2010-2011 seasons.
For more on Oden from Blazers Acting GM Chad Buchanan from Monday, click here.
-- Ben Golliver | benjamin.golliver@gmail.com | Twitter
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Earlier than I expected.
I thought it’s be tomorrow afternoon at the earliest.
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Huzzah!
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
awesome but a little scary
it’s great, but a tough situation for the Blazers in that if he comes back and plays well, he’ll his unrestricted free agency next season. Now, the new CBA cold make that less frightening, but I don’t think you want him to hit the open market. I hope he accepts, and then if he comes back, plays well, and stays healthy, we can re-sign him to a multi-year deal before he hits free agency
I seriously wonder if any team will offer him more than $8.8M right now- considering the potential for a hard cap in the new CBA.
But this is a good first step!
by rip_city_swagger on Jun 29, 2011 4:43 PM PDT reply actions
Portland still can make other contract offers to Greg
that would, if he agrees, keep him under contract for a longer period of time.
It’s just that today, they can’t make an offer of, say 3 years for $30 million or 4 years for $36 million. Those offers can only be made once he becomes a free agent on July 1st (and once the terms of the new CBA are set).
All right then, big fella.
Keep workin’. We can’t wait to see you dunking on fools at the RG next season.
/s
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Jun 29, 2011 4:45 PM PDT reply actions
Gotta keep hope alive!
It would be pretty funny if the Jazz tried to sign Greg to a poison-pill to return the favor of the past couple of years (not sure if its possible).
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Jun 29, 2011 4:45 PM PDT reply actions
How do you guys know what step 2 is?!
Even the underpants gnomes don’t know what step 2 is!
PROFIT?
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by Tyler Durrden on Jun 29, 2011 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions
but you said it was Championship?
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by Tyler Durrden on Jun 29, 2011 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions
it's the basketball equivalent
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Oden's more the basketball equivalent of manbearpig
by ozqb3 on Jun 29, 2011 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
for cereal!
I don't give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way.
Mark Twain
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by Tyler Durrden on Jun 29, 2011 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
it wont' be turned down
it will either be signed or not signed eventually. one doesn’t “reject” the offer – you let it sit on the table while you field other offers
"Well, you can always sell your team."
Lemme fix that
….you let it sit on the table and smirk at it while you field other offers
Me after hearing of a Rudy Hardwood Classic Jersey going for $45:"Take the "RNANDEZ" part off....and sew on a "LTON and you are good to go"."
by 92wastheyear on Jun 29, 2011 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Glad to get the speculation answered
But I really wasn’t worried. but in the later post offering Patty a QO was not only surprising, but delightful. Now we have a 3iabler and 3blur LOL.
hg
So that we can get into a multi year deal
rather than a one year.
we can sign him to a multi-year deal anyway
the last thing we want is another team upping the bidding – right now we can have him back for $8.8M, why pay more?
by rip_city_swagger on Jun 29, 2011 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Why pay more?
Because he has a crazy injury history. Signing him long term is a huge risk in itself.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
I'd rather lock him up for several years
Especially at less than 8.8 per year. Why pay 8.8 if he’s only going to play half the year, and we just lose him to free agency next summer?
In a perfect world, a team will offer him something like the MLE (if it still exists) for 4 years or so, and we can match.
We should bring in more scrub big men; they make good curse fodder.
We wont get him for less then 10 mill a year
on a multi year deal.
Maybe
It’s really hard to gauge his market value, with the combination of his injury history and the unknown new cba.
We should bring in more scrub big men; they make good curse fodder.
You cant just offer him a multi year deal
You can only offer a multi year MAX deal or a one year QO. Then you can match other teams offers.
Once free agency starts (after the lockout)
We can give him any offer we want, just like any other team.
We should bring in more scrub big men; they make good curse fodder.
I wonder if another team will jerk the Blazers around
And tender Oden a $14M per year contract knowing the Blazers are going to match. Because the Blazers WILL match.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
i think you'd be surprised
with all of the uncertainty around the new CBA and a potential hard salary cap – teams might not be willing to shell out that kind of huge $ to someone as unproven as Oden
although, if I were the Utah Jazz, I’d do it just because to get us back for the Millsap and Matthews deals
by rip_city_swagger on Jun 29, 2011 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions
The League knows the Blazers will match any offer
The question becomes will somebody make Allen pay, or even whether a Conference team will try to ratchet up our payroll, if even for this year.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
but any of them risk the chance of us not matching
will we? probaby? but that could be a very expensive risk to take. Any offer would likely be at least $10M for next year alone
by rip_city_swagger on Jun 29, 2011 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure it'd be expensive
And a calculated risk. But if we’re offering Oden $8.8M it’s very doubt we’ll not match an offer for a few mil more. It’s all about weakneing Portland as much as possible by forcing us to match. That would be quite a bit of tail risk though should the Blazers pass, however doubtful.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
Yeah, will someone really want to piss Paul Allen off though? Because Paul Allen does have the pockets to get you back.
If you’re a cheap owner, you probably fear Paul Allen doing that to you.
by BRoyInThe4th on Jun 29, 2011 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions
more importantly
will that want to tie up all their capspace for 7 days and watch all their real FA targets get snatched up by other teams?
"Well, you can always sell your team."
*they
"Well, you can always sell your team."
Yeah. I think any team with cap space will be leery of signing Oden to a gigantor contract just to mess with PA
Because a.) it messes with their cap space for other signings, and b.) most of the teams with the cap space would not want to be in a situation where PA declines.
I think GO will probably get a decent offer, some team will try to overpay a little to call PA’s bluff and steal GO, but PA will match.
That's what I expect too
and kind of hope for a modest overpay offer so that the Blazers don’t have to HUGELY overpay.
"Coach said to always be careful around Greg, because Greg costs a lot and even the slightest amount of basketball can damage him." -- The Onion
You know people keep saying this
But if a team is over the cap and a new cba bring a hardcap on…do those teams just have to pick what players to cut…or how will that work? It seems a bit weird to just force teams to cut players because they no longer have the cap space.
I don't know enough of the details
I don’t think teams will have to start cutting guys – but they would likely be a little more financially responsible, which makes an offer to an -oft-injured and unproven big for $10M seem a lot more risky
by rip_city_swagger on Jun 29, 2011 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I think a true hard cap is extremely unlikely
But if it happened, it would be some combination of being phased in over a few years, salary cuts across the board, and maybe some amnesty.
We should bring in more scrub big men; they make good curse fodder.
If they do ...it will probably ramp up gradually
Me after hearing of a Rudy Hardwood Classic Jersey going for $45:"Take the "RNANDEZ" part off....and sew on a "LTON and you are good to go"."
by 92wastheyear on Jun 29, 2011 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions
The Blazers won't match any offer.
If someone offers him a max deal, Blazers will say goodbye.
Disclaimer: everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazersedge.
lol they wont mach any offer?
Sure they wont match and max deal…..but they will certainly match offers.
I think he meant
The Blazers won’t match just any offer
Me after hearing of a Rudy Hardwood Classic Jersey going for $45:"Take the "RNANDEZ" part off....and sew on a "LTON and you are good to go"."
by 92wastheyear on Jun 29, 2011 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions
yes, you might be right
the word “just” really changed the read on that.
It's just like bluffing in poker...
You better be prepared to have your bluff called. Can you imagine if a team like Utah made him a $75mil/5 year deal, Greg took it, and then had a career-threatening, season ending injury in the first 3 months (like he’s done on more than one occasion)? For a team like Utah, it could literally kill the franchise.
I bet it's tempting
To try to put the Blazers in a worse cap situation than they’re already in though.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
Sure, just like it was tempting for us to do it with Milsap and Matthews.
In both of those cases, though, there was no injury history to worry about. The only thing to worry about was wether or not the player had enough skill and talent to live up to the offer. In both cases, I think the answer was “yes”. In fact, because Utah had to eat that toxic offer to Milsap, they’re actually in a slightly better position now, since it was a front-loaded contract. They got his most expensive years over with first.
Turns out the offer we made Matthews was just about right for the value.
Jason Quick was just on Canzano's show.
He says that Larry Miller called Greg today and Oden told Miller that he wants to stay here and help the team win. He also told Miller that he really appreciates the team standing by him through his injuries. If this is true it’s great to hear if you are an Oden fan.
by JAWKS on Jun 29, 2011 4:54 PM PDT reply actions 10 recs
That's what I wanted to hear. GO has character, integrity and loyalty.
Unlike a few “stars” I could name.
Yes! I knew he was cool.
Doers & Makers > Movers & Shakers
by Adam Randall on Jun 29, 2011 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions
It is great to hear and I am a Greg fan.
I have been injury prone all my life, but I work somewhat like Crash plays, putting my whole body into my work, regardless of that. I have been productive Most of my life.
hg
That's some good stuff
I realize Greg is inundated with lame questions about how he feels, and what the future holds, but I have rarely if ever really heard him say much along those lines. It’s like he was intentionally keeping the door open to bail
So glad he's showing his integrity
I hope both Oden and the Blazers back it up with a multiyear extension.
"The Qualifying Offer is mostly a procedural move. However, it should be taken as a good sign because it serves as concrete evidence that the Blazers"...
are not terminally insane.
well, they know way more about his medical progress than anyone else does
if they hadn’t done it – it could have very well been because they didn’t think he could hold it together physically
this is at least a good indication they see a future for him still
by rip_city_swagger on Jun 29, 2011 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
....i would love to be in the position to play pro basketball
Let alone make 8.8 million to do so.
WOOOOOOOOT! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!
no one else had the guts.
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOT!
by nepo on Jun 29, 2011 5:01 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
the guts to tender a qualifying offer of course
/SARCASM
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
A hallelujah is worth more than a woot in the larger scheme of things. ;p
#52--------I believe in Greg Oden
by annthefan on Jun 29, 2011 5:03 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
you all are tough. I thought this was a smart blog with intermittent joy in the face of underlying self-destruction.
My woot might have needed an ‘h’ but geeze, the abhorrence , really?
I was just jealous that I didn't add a woot to my hallelujah.
Halleluwootjah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#52--------I believe in Greg Oden
The Dynasty lives
I feel a 60 win season coming!
by Odenrising on Jun 29, 2011 5:06 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Don't you mean miss(ed)?
We never really got to see much of that…
But really, the rim will feed oden plenty. And he’ll be happy to put it right back into the rim’s face.
Felton is a good passer into the post and pick and roll pg
They will work out just fine.
not denying that
I just wanted Andre to get the chance after waitin for Greg to come back.
Greg said Andre made him smile with his promise to deliver the ball….
Um, not so fast
Oden won’t give much this year as he re-starts his truncated development and gets into playing shape. His real value is for 2012-2013 & beyond, so the biggest positive for me is that A) Portland views his recovery process as positive and B) he’ll stand a better chance of staying beyond 2011-2012 if he signs the QO. I’m not expecting Oden to win us hardly any games this year, as he wont even be game ready until after January.
The more exciting part will be if Oden signs a long term for 2012-2013 and beyond, and if so, it would presume reasonable health.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
I voted other. It's not goog, it's not bad, it's the only idea.
Portland needs a second star to have anychance of a deep playoff run. Oden is the only serious option out there. You are not getting that star for MLE and you’re trading for him with the pieces the team has left and still leaving a chance to win.
It’s Oden or nothing. That’s what it is.
freaking edit please - it's not good...
by raoulduke on Jun 29, 2011 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ah crap start over
Portland needs a second star to have any chance of a deep playoff run. Oden is the only serious option out there. You are not getting that star for MLE and you’re not trading for him with the pieces the team has left and still leaving a chance to win.
It’s Oden or nothing. That’s what it is.
Oden, LMA, and Crash would be our 'star power'
and if Matthews or Batum (or even Roy) are on we could be operatioal at 2,
PG is a continuing quest….. we’ll see.
could be decent, with some luck.
Mo, I'm counting LMA. I think Wallace is a good player, but he's not all NBA talent and agewise he's at the upper limit of his prime.
Wallace is a piece, not a centerpiece
Depends on definition
In 2010, Wallace was named to the All-NBA Defensive First Team
Me after hearing of a Rudy Hardwood Classic Jersey going for $45:"Take the "RNANDEZ" part off....and sew on a "LTON and you are good to go"."
by 92wastheyear on Jun 30, 2011 7:16 AM PDT up reply actions
I am glad.
I don't give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way.
Mark Twain
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My fortune cookie from Panda Express reads...
Speculations will turn out well today.
That can only mean, GO is going to accept.
#20
If you want Greg around, you don't want him to accept the QO
If he takes it, he’s an unrestricted free agent next summer.
We should bring in more scrub big men; they make good curse fodder.
love panda express
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by Tyler Durrden on Jun 29, 2011 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions
General Tso (sp) FTW
Me after hearing of a Rudy Hardwood Classic Jersey going for $45:"Take the "RNANDEZ" part off....and sew on a "LTON and you are good to go"."
by 92wastheyear on Jun 29, 2011 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Me after hearing of a Rudy Hardwood Classic Jersey going for $45:"Take the "RNANDEZ" part off....and sew on a "LTON and you are good to go"."
GO--getting paid like out of this world.
Doers & Makers > Movers & Shakers
by Adam Randall on Jun 29, 2011 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Where can i get bills that big?
Never mind..those wouldn’t fit in my wallet.
They give him proportional sized moneys
Me after hearing of a Rudy Hardwood Classic Jersey going for $45:"Take the "RNANDEZ" part off....and sew on a "LTON and you are good to go"."
by 92wastheyear on Jun 29, 2011 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions
BIG money
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Mark Twain
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by Tyler Durrden on Jun 29, 2011 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions
this reminds me of a joke my dad used to make. He carried around a fake $1000 bill that was the size of a raffle ticket.
We’d be out to dinner and he’d give it to the waitress and say, “Can you break this? It’s the smallest bill I have.”
CLASSIC DAD JOKE
I don't give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way.
Mark Twain
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by Tyler Durrden on Jun 29, 2011 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Was your Dad Jerry Lewis?
Me after hearing of a Rudy Hardwood Classic Jersey going for $45:"Take the "RNANDEZ" part off....and sew on a "LTON and you are good to go"."
by 92wastheyear on Jun 29, 2011 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I wish, bet that guy was loaded
I don't give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way.
Mark Twain
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by Tyler Durrden on Jun 29, 2011 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I pretty sure he was high
when he invented the nutty professor…..does that count
Me after hearing of a Rudy Hardwood Classic Jersey going for $45:"Take the "RNANDEZ" part off....and sew on a "LTON and you are good to go"."
by 92wastheyear on Jun 29, 2011 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I was gonna say I'm pretty sure he was wasted during a couple of those telethons he used to do
he sure sweated like he was
I don't give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way.
Mark Twain
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by Tyler Durrden on Jun 29, 2011 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions
No kidding
plus he stayed up days on end
Me after hearing of a Rudy Hardwood Classic Jersey going for $45:"Take the "RNANDEZ" part off....and sew on a "LTON and you are good to go"."
by 92wastheyear on Jun 29, 2011 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions
he was hooked on cough drops and goof balls
I don't give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way.
Mark Twain
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by Tyler Durrden on Jun 29, 2011 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions
yup, HEPPED UP ON GOOFBALLS!!!
I don't give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way.
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by Tyler Durrden on Jun 29, 2011 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions
What's in a "goofball"?
"Coach said to always be careful around Greg, because Greg costs a lot and even the slightest amount of basketball can damage him." -- The Onion
I think it's hair grease and LSD mixed with baby apirin
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by Tyler Durrden on Jun 29, 2011 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Haha
Would be a rec if you could have photoshopped a CLEAR money picture. Nice idea though.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
Stupis Windows Paint
All I did was make the money smaller….it started out bigger than his torso
Me after hearing of a Rudy Hardwood Classic Jersey going for $45:"Take the "RNANDEZ" part off....and sew on a "LTON and you are good to go"."
by 92wastheyear on Jun 29, 2011 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions
And then after he signs the offer sheet from Utah
Me after hearing of a Rudy Hardwood Classic Jersey going for $45:"Take the "RNANDEZ" part off....and sew on a "LTON and you are good to go"."
by 92wastheyear on Jun 29, 2011 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes...yes it is
Look directly under the money too...that is a thing of beauty
Me after hearing of a Rudy Hardwood Classic Jersey going for $45:"Take the "RNANDEZ" part off....and sew on a "LTON and you are good to go"."
by 92wastheyear on Jun 30, 2011 7:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I should have given him a pinwheel tattoo
That would have proven his commitment to the Blazers
Me after hearing of a Rudy Hardwood Classic Jersey going for $45:"Take the "RNANDEZ" part off....and sew on a "LTON and you are good to go"."
by 92wastheyear on Jun 30, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Canzano just announced that Kevin Pritchard will be a guest on Friday's show.
Apparently his contract with the Blazers is over and the gag order will be no more.
#52--------I believe in Greg Oden
Uh-oh...
Friday is Dirty Laundry Day, I guess.
Doers & Makers > Movers & Shakers
by Adam Randall on Jun 29, 2011 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Nice
Me after hearing of a Rudy Hardwood Classic Jersey going for $45:"Take the "RNANDEZ" part off....and sew on a "LTON and you are good to go"."
by 92wastheyear on Jun 29, 2011 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Whoopedydoopedydoowahoo
93% favorable says something to Blazers management. Greg is still here and bound to stay to win.
My gut says 3-4 years for $25-35M. Pay the man respectful wages and shoot for the moon. I am glad.
wow, i expected to be in the minority...
but 95 to 5
i don’t think oden will ever be an impactful player in this league. i also think it’s very likely he simply signs the QO and walks in a year. i think that would be preferable to the blazers locking him up long term but i think the rational move here was to let him become a UFA and then offer a 2 year deal.
i suspect cho was against making the QO and that’s why he’s gone.
i think emotions are in charge and it’s probably not going to lead to a good place. i hope i’m wrong.
We did just make him a UFA
had there been no QO made, he would just be a FA.
Now there are 5 options for Greg
1) He can sign the Qualifying Offer and be under contract with Portland for one year and then become an UFA
2) He can sign a different offer that the Blazers make to him after the new CBA is in place
3) He can sign an offer sheet with another team after the new CBA is in place and the Blazers could match that offer and retain Oden
4) He can sign an offer sheet with another team after the new CBA is in place and the Blazers could choose not to match, allowing him to leave for the other team
5) He can choose not to sign with any NBA team
by Storyteller on Jun 29, 2011 6:55 PM PDT reply actions 6 recs
okay, I'm pretty stupid. If there's a lockout the new CBA may not be in place for months right?
So really we might not know anything for a long time right?
Does this mean there is no time limit on how long Greg can field offers, or does it mean there is still a time limit to the offering period but no offer can be agreed to until the CBA is adopted at which point it’s just semantics?….
In other words, when might we know something?
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by Tyler Durrden on Jun 29, 2011 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions
There will probably be a temporary time limit set up when they sign the CBA
a lot would depend on when it get’s signed …and when they want the games to start being played. They create period when teams can sign free agents ..after the CBA is signed because the teams can’t even talk to the players until after it is ratified. Sooo…we won’t even know the time limit til then…and probably there will be this big rush to sign the available free agents.
Me after hearing of a Rudy Hardwood Classic Jersey going for $45:"Take the "RNANDEZ" part off....and sew on a "LTON and you are good to go"."
by 92wastheyear on Jun 29, 2011 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Short answer: No one knows
In other words, when might we know something?
Me after hearing of a Rudy Hardwood Classic Jersey going for $45:"Take the "RNANDEZ" part off....and sew on a "LTON and you are good to go"."
by 92wastheyear on Jun 29, 2011 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions
So if Greg signs the offer sheet
do the Blazers have the opportunity to sign him to an extension, and if so what is the deadline for that action (assuming that the new CBA will be similar in this aspect to the current one)?
Assuming the new CBA has the same rules regarding unrestricted free agents
If a team offers Greg the maximum deal what can the Blazers offer him?
by Just Another Fan on Jun 29, 2011 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
we would have to match any offer he gets
unless he wants to stay in portland for less money, which is very doubtful.
I should have asked the question better
If Greg accepts the QO at the end of next season he becomes an unrestricted free agent. He can sign with any team that he wants. If a team offers him the max deal, can the Blazers offer him anything different – a longer deal, more money?
by Just Another Fan on Jun 30, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
under current rules, yes
under new rules then in effect, who knows? but probably still yes – the owners seem to want to keep, and if anything make stronger, the home-team advantage in re-signing players.
"Well, you can always sell your team."
So in 2012 it might be possible
the contracts of Felton, Camby, Oden (accepts QO), Wallace (opts out) and Roy (amnesty) could come off the books. That being the case could the Blazers offer one of the potential super free agents (Paul, Williams, Howard) a max deal and then sign Oden to a max deal even if it puts the Blazers over the cap? Of course assuming these rules don’t change.
by Just Another Fan on Jun 30, 2011 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
yes
assuming the rules don’t change substantially, Portland amnesties Roy, and Felton, Oden, and Camby move along and/or are renounced, and no major contracts are added in the meantime, Portland would have about $37 million in salary and cap holds for 10 players, so enough for a full max deal that summer. This is WITH Wallace on the roster at his option salary of 9.5million. If he opts out and is renounced, then that number would potentially dip low enough for 2 max deals – but it would be close.
a ton of assumptions there obviously.
"Well, you can always sell your team."
Great news !
But lets not count our chickens before they hatch again. There has to be a plan b, other than CJ. Even out the roster less pgs 1 more big please.
" I'm coaching here " ...... Nate McMillan
It was necessary for Larry to do it.
He had already made the oft-quoted statements about tending the QO to Greg. We knew the public stance of the company was that if Greg’s rehab looked good, we’d give him the QO. Not giving it to him would have been explicitly stating that rehab was NOT going well.
Additionally, if Buchanan made the statement, there would be speculation as to whether he was Miller’s (and Allen’s) puppet reading from their script. Miller owned up to his responsibility for his own words.
"You can pretty much flip a coin to see which Portland team will show up: the dark-horse world-beaters or the mixed-up eggbeaters" - Dave
by conspirator5 on Jun 30, 2011 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions
No-risk move so far
But I hope someday GO looks as happy playing on the court as he does in all these pictures.
Steve Goodman lives.
Absolutely Necessary: Let me explain
There is a possibility that Oden stay healthy and be a productive member of the team, maybe even a major part of the core going forward. There is also the possibility that he has continued bad luck with injuries and is unable to have a productive career. IT DOESN’T MATTER!
Tendering the QO was absolutely necessary for PR reasons. The chance that Oden can be a serviceable big man for Portland going forward far outweighs the chance that Portland lets him walk and he turns into a star. As much as he is compared to the Bowie situation, it would be far worse if Portland gave up on him and he turned into Jermaine O’Neal. I could see the headline now: “Portland gives up too soon as Oden becomes a Star.”
If this were to happen we would never again mention Bowie, or O’Neal for that matter. All Portland would ever be known for was letting a #1 pick walk away and become something great.
So…..Good Decision Buchanan. Hopefully Oden move forward injury free, but even if not:
IT DOESN’T REALLY MATTER.
the qo doesn't prevent him from walking away
he can play one half season and be an unrestricted free agent.
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Tendering the QO was absolutely necessary for PR basketball reasons.
Law of Logical Argument
Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.
Why not sign two other centers who are somewhat productive and average at least 70 games a year for 5m each? Oden is always going to be restricted by his injuries. Between them and getting called for ticky tack fouls he’s never going to catch a break. Worst case secenario – he someday is able to put together the better part of a season and the playoffs with great success and then gets injured the following year after leading his team to a 50 – 10 record. After that he’s usually injured but is a sometimes excellent backup for a championship team. BTW, I’d be a terrible NBA owner because I’d say no to every risky contract (which covers nearly every great player in the league).
Aha, you're too young to
remember Walton’s trajectory. In the championship year I think the team caught fire midseason and won 49 games, then defeated the heavily favored 76ers in the finals. The following year the Blazers started the season 50 – 10 before Walton got injured and they won only eight more games. Later in his career Walton was an effective backup on a Celtics team that won a championship.
Won 6th man of the year for the Celts in fact
Me after hearing of a Rudy Hardwood Classic Jersey going for $45:"Take the "RNANDEZ" part off....and sew on a "LTON and you are good to go"."
by 92wastheyear on Jun 30, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Wow, not sure I knew that.
I actually tried not to watch him after he left and became successful. Very hard for me to watch him whooping it up and winning a championship with the hated Celtics.
The way I see it, if the Blazers don't keep Greg Oden, they are bound for mediocrity for the foreseeable future.
If we keep Greg, there is a shot at greatness. Simple as that.
I thought Rudy would be the perfect 6th man. Come back Ruuudy!
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