Portland Trail Blazers 2011 NBA Draft Day Wrap: Picks, Swaps, Flips and Flops
The Portland Trail Blazers took a giant leap sideways in the 2011 NBA Draft, swapping out an aging point guard for a younger version of similar ilk, dropping a non-functional three-point specialist for a possibly-functional one, and adding another combo-guard project to a stable filled with them. The moves in order of significance:
Trail Blazers-Nuggets-Mavericks Three-Way Deal
Portland sends Rudy Fernandez [edit: and the rights to Finnish point guard Petteri Koponen] to the Dallas Mavericks for the 26th pick in the draft, Texas forward Jordan Hamilton, then sends Hamilton and point guard Andre Miller to Denver for point guard Raymond Felton. The Blazers also receive the rights to the 57th pick, Tanguy Ngombo, from Dallas but are in negotiations to trade his rights.
The best news for the Blazers might be that this deal did not include Nicolas Batum. Batum was a feature of nearly every hot pre-draft point guard rumor out there. Part of the subtext of this trade may be the Blazers yet being in love with their young small forward and the defense and depth he provides.
It's safe to say that the Blazers were not enamored with Miller and Fernandez. Rudy's faults were obvious: shooting and shooting. Miller's situation was more murky. Some speculated his attitude wasn't up to snuff even during this, his best year as a Blazer. Off-record whispers had him too complacent in the face of losing. His lack of an outside shot was also evident. But he was a serviceable, veteran point guard who kept the club afloat during difficult times. He was ultimately reliable and good for the team but neither quality was enough to keep him off of the block.
The question marks in this deal don't revolve as much around what the Blazers gave up--parts they weren't planning on using anyway--as around what they got in return. Part of the negative Raymond Felton reaction lies in the fact that he's not Steve Nash or Devin Harris or another flashy name. Those players probably weren't available for any permutation of a Miller-Fernandez package but that doesn't soothe the heart. This was the Blazers' home run swing and they came up with a guy who looks mostly like the guy they just sent out, just a little younger.
Age is the biggest benefit to Felton when measured against Miller. Andre was 35. Raymond is 26 yet still carries 6 years experience under his belt. We may not have seen his best ball yet. Felton also shoots considerably better from distance. 35.3% from the arc is hardly a number to write home about but it looks positively rosy when measured against Miller's 10.8% clip last season. Even so, Miller's overall shooting percentage was 46.0% and Felton's was only 42.5%. Because of the three-point shooting gap Felton's Effective Field Goal Percentage outstrips Miller's 48.3% to 46.2%. When you factor in free throws with True Shooting Percentage, though, they're practically even with Felton at 52.4% and Miller at 52.9%. The offensive advantage goes to Felton when shooting deep, Miller in most other situations. Their turnover percentages were near identical, assist percentages were near identical, and usage percentages were close. Felton scored a little more and notched a few more assists on a per-minute basis. Miller earned a slightly higher PER. Steals, rebounds, turnovers, free throws drawn per minute were all close. Statistically there's very little to distinguish one of these players from the other.
Is this a bad thing necessarily? It could be. On the face of it getting a guy 10 years younger who performs as well as the older player is a good deal. But Felton's contract runs but one more season, just like Miller's did. Age is meaningless if you can't milk those extra years out. Will Felton re-sign with the Blazers? If you can't convince or afford him you're left with a stable of young, untried reserves...a disaster waiting to happen. Nor can the Blazers dip into the trade well again. They're scraping bottom on expendable players and will reach absolute bottom when Felton's and Marcus Camby's contracts run out next season.
Even assuming they can keep Felton, this move didn't materially change the course of the team. At best it's six more years of staying the course at point guard. That's great if you're a championship-level team already but the Blazers aren't. They needed a kick in the pants. That's probably not Felton. Consider:
- They haven't lessened their reliance on Greg Oden and Brandon Roy's health one iota. Any hope for forward progress still hangs on that duo.
- They haven't addressed their defensive rebounding woes.
- They may have alleviated their shooting deficit slightly but Felton bombing away isn't a cure for what ails their offense.
- They haven't added winning playoff experience. They barely added playoff experience at all, as Felton has played in only 9 playoff games in his 6-year career.
This doesn't feel like the spark that will light the team. This feels like more plodding forward, hoping the spark will catch.
Summing up: If this doesn't work it's a disaster. If it does work it's more of the same. That's an odd thing to have to say about Portland's huge swing for the fences, the BIG MOVE (tm). The best hope now is that the Blazers really, really know what they are doing, that Felton IS Mr. Right (instead of Mr. Best We Could Do Right Now) and that a little bit of distance shooting will be enough to push the team over the hill. Part of me really wants to believe that. Then another part of me asks, "If Felton is that transformational why were Charlotte, New York, and now Denver willing to part with him in short succession?"
Best-Case Scenario: This move makes the team better, but not better enough. That's true even if there's another second-round pick coming Portland's way in the completed deal.
Blazers Draft Duke Guard Nolan Smith with the 21st Selection of the First Round
Here's my pre-draft blurb on Smith:
The Duke pedigree would be a big draw here. You know this guy knows how to play. Height is good if he's a point guard, bad if he's a two. He's a nice catch-and-shoot guy with just a touch of distance to his game, probably needing to develop more if he's going to be a Blazer. He scored 20 per game his senior year, drew 6 foul shots, but took over a quarter of his team's possessions to do so. He commits plenty of turnovers and his 1.6 assist-to-turnover ratio is anemic. The big questions revolve around his ability to play point in the NBA. If he's the point guard of the future it might be a far future. He's another potential second-round pick Patty Mills replacement along with Jackson and Morris.
Little has changed since then. The good: he's an all-around player, the Blazers need a catch-and-shoot guy, he can score, he maybe lets you pass on making Patty Mills the qualifying offer, saving a buck or two. Smith probably has a better chance of being an eventual starter than Patty, though Patty is likely the more productive player right now. The bad: He might not be a point guard! He turns the ball over a bunch, scoring is a calling card, he's only an average athlete, and he's 6'4" which is too short to play off-guard. Have we not been through this before in various incarnations? Jarrett Jack? Jerryd Bayless? Patty Mills? Armon Johnson? Maybe even Elliot Williams? Not that those players are carbon copies, but they all bring up these kind of combo-guard questions. And now...another? I remember an episode of the WWI version of Black Adder where one of the British officers ordered a direct charge against the German trenches. When it was pointed out that this had been their strategy multiple thousands of times in a row--the only strategy, really--he replied, "Exactly! After having seen it so many times they'll never suspect it to happen again!"
Maybe Smith is finally The One. He could be. But the only possible response to this pick--having left one of the best rebounders in recent memory on the table to make it--is not whooping and celebrating but looking at the front office and saying, "Please tell me you got it right this time. If you did, huzzah for you. But we'll wait and see. And by the way you do know that you cannot have gotten it right with Smith AND Johnson AND Williams AND Felton all at the same time, right? Cuz that won't work."
Again at best we're left with a pick that doesn't change the course of the team or offer anything new. It's more of the same.
Blazers Draft Ohio State Guard Jon Diebler with the 51st Selection in the Second Round
This deep in the draft you don't expect much. You're happy if a guy even makes the squad. Diebler does one thing: he shoots. He's a shooting guard, 79% of his attempts come from three-point range, and he connects on 50% of them. He doesn't defend well, he's not a great athlete, he's no good on the drive, he'll not rebound he just shoots. The Blazers, coincidentally, need spot-up shooters. It's a natural match. It's also like a chef who decides that his dish needs a little sweetness to it so he pours in some granulated sugar. It'll get sweeter but it's also obvious, ham-fisted, the kind of thing any home cook could do. That's not to say the Blazers should be faulted for this pick. Again, at 51 why not? It's unlikely they'll earn any Michelin stars for it though.
And that, my friends, is it. No questions were answered, no vistas revealed. There was plenty of motion but no real movement. It's possible this was the best the Blazers could do. It feels like plenty of teams did better though. Our own Ben Golliver suggested via phone that it felt like the Blazers were dealing from a place of weakness and got fixated on a task it eventually cost them too much to complete. That may be true. I wonder if the task needed doing in the first place, or whether some fresh vision might have opened up new possibilities. At best these moves earn a C at this point. The burden of proof is on the team to show that they should be graded higher...something we won't know for a while. If they don't pan out--especially the trade--this could be a D- or F-level draft...the kind that makes you wonder how guys on the inside talk themselves into these things when it's obvious to everyone else that it isn't going to work. That judgment must also be reserved. Either way it's clear that reasons for optimism have run short. The Blazers must convert these point guard moves into forward momentum and they must do it now. Otherwise they're just wasting everybody's time.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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thrice fan?
Q: "Why are the Heat losing?"
'Dre: "That's for them to figure out. We did our job."
by Oh. Em. Gee. on Jun 23, 2011 11:50 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
greatest band ever. I like your style, friend.
Q: "Why are the Heat losing?"
'Dre: "That's for them to figure out. We did our job."
by Oh. Em. Gee. on Jun 24, 2011 11:40 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I give Portland draft a F, we just made this team a worse team, I hope we get a real GM soon, cause Chad just another Paul Allen do boy, i'm not happy at all with the direction Blazers going
by Blazingatrail24 on Jun 24, 2011 1:07 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Wes, Gerald, and Felton
yes, three terrible pickups
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
extremely : )
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, not having a GM at the draft was foolish
especially since that GM took all the knowledge he garnered over the last year and used it to help out another team.
"Coach said to always be careful around Greg, because Greg costs a lot and even the slightest amount of basketball can damage him." -- The Onion
Because our picks overlapped so much.
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This may have been the absolute worst write up I've read yet.
Really? Miller, who’s turning 36 this year is as good as Felton, who is going to space the floor 1000% better than Miller could. Miller, who couldn’t guard an ice cream store from a mob of angry children is a better defensive option than Felton? You do realize that many analysts had Felton this close ( l l ) to being an all star pick. Portland is lucky to get Felton for essentially an expiring contract. And Dave, you’re wrong about another thing. You cannot say that Portland is not a contender when they played the Mavs better than LAL or anyone else…and will be better next year because of Felton, Smith and experience….and if Oden comes back healthy, they may be the best team in the NBA.
by BlazerNation on Jun 24, 2011 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
A bit of a homer post
but I appreciate the passion and glass half full thinking. At this point it is done, so let’s let the guys play and see what’s up
by Sonic Boom on Jun 24, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree...
but then again, I’m a bit of a homer.
No problem saying that at all.
I’ll always err on the side of being a fan.
by BlazerNation on Jun 24, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
I’m stoked. I asked JQ and Freeman about this very trade possibility for the Tuesday chat, and neither seemed to have any sense this was on the horizon. The ability to get a proven starting PG w/in the team’s mean age, who can space the floor and is otherwise very Andre Miller-like statistically in exchange for his older, 3-less doppelganger and Rudy Fernandez is a win. Felton and Matthews will provide the team with a solid backcourt, one which perimeter defenses must step out and address.
Theory: Denver wanted Faried and, as a division rival, knew the Blazers wanted and more importantly needed him too; as such, they made the Blazers not drafting him a condition of the trade. Why? B/c they can pay him less at 22 than if the teams swapped picks, and they can make the Blazers make a hasty decision. The timing – the trade was leaked right before the Blazers picked at 21 – and the fact that Denver picked Faried immediately thereafter would make the team passing up on a clear rebounding need a bit easier to understand.
PWN3D
by NoRespert on Jun 24, 2011 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
No one can guard an ice cream store from a mob of angry children.
"Be polite to everyone you meet, but be prepared to kill anyone"-tc16cav
by otisnixon'sparty on Jun 24, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
"Portland is not a contender when they played the Mavs better than LAL or anyone else"
Miami and Oklahoma City both played Dallas better overall than Portland did against them.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
Ugh, I shouldn't've taken out the "cannot say that" part of your quote.
That’s my bad, since it makes things confusing. My point remains the same, though, with that being both Miami and Oklahoma City did better than Portland against Dallas this postseason.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
I'd give the night a B-
Would have been higher if they had somehow managed to take Faried at #21 and acquired Smith with a slightly higher pick, like the #26 from Dallas that they also paid solidly for and then had to ship along in the deal with Denver (Dallas really really wanted a young vet SG/SF and not a rookie it seems). So they overpaid a bit to get their guy with Felton, and got no further asset in round 1 besides their own pick like other teams managed to do.
As for other discussed and rumored PG targets: Spurs obviously found something better to do by keeping Parker and trading his young backup instead, and Orlando admitted they were not seriously considering moving Nelson and just wanted to “tweak” the roster instead of blowing things up. So Felton was the best remaining option. I’ll take it, and we have to see if it’s just a stop-gap or they can make it into a longer-term solution.
I would have given this night a B-
if it was six years ago.
"How you gonna fire a ninja Paul?" - Rich Cho
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Jun 23, 2011 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Alright, I have to
Q: "Why are the Heat losing?"
'Dre: "That's for them to figure out. We did our job."
by Oh. Em. Gee. on Jun 24, 2011 1:14 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
whoa, x3.
Q: "Why are the Heat losing?"
'Dre: "That's for them to figure out. We did our job."
by Oh. Em. Gee. on Jun 24, 2011 1:16 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Alright, I have to
Q: "Why are the Heat losing?"
'Dre: "That's for them to figure out. We did our job."
by Oh. Em. Gee. on Jun 24, 2011 1:14 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Alright, I have to ask.
Have you seen Predator?
Q: "Why are the Heat losing?"
'Dre: "That's for them to figure out. We did our job."
by Oh. Em. Gee. on Jun 24, 2011 1:15 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Have you seen Predator?
"How you gonna fire a ninja Paul?" - Rich Cho
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Jun 24, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
What are you waiting for?!?
I’m right here!!
by Sheedwasright on Jun 24, 2011 10:15 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
My men are not expendable.
(unless we’re talking Rudy and Petteri)
"I told him, ‘We will get through this, then shock the world.’ He got a kick out of that,'' Miller said. "We will get through this and shock the world ...''
I just envision you
sitting at your comp, talking about the blazers with a fat dip in your lip, occasionally revving up a gattlin gun.
Q: "Why are the Heat losing?"
'Dre: "That's for them to figure out. We did our job."
by Oh. Em. Gee. on Jun 24, 2011 11:46 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Assuming the CBA doesn't change the rules
Won’t Felton be a restricted FA? The Blazers can choose to retain him or not….
"Coach said to always be careful around Greg, because Greg costs a lot and even the slightest amount of basketball can damage him." -- The Onion
unrestricted
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
Someone on the radio...it may have been Wheeler..not sure..
said that Portland was a DESIRED destination for Felton. His main objective is to start. So hopefully he and Nate will get along and he will enjoy being here. ..sign an extension and stay put.
That said…he plays well. New York took out the Blazers here at the RG. Of course, I think the Blazers were all feeling the effects of watching the BCS Ducks game the night before…
Well that's a positive
If Felton wanted to come here in terms of his signability going forward. Im always skeptical about these types of things because anything could happen in a year’s time. Another team flashing more money or another team promising Felton more freedom in an different offensive system could change his attitude very quickly. The fact is, no one knows. So that’s a very tentative positive.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
It may have been risky but they could have just drafted Faried at #21
Trade Rudy for the 26th, draft Smith with the pick, extend Miller and then trade for Felton during the season. If DEN can’t trade Felton during the season they get nothing since he would be an UFA at the end of the season. The Blazers would likely have a better bargaining position. Now, if Felton doesn’t re-sign with the Blazers, they are left with Smith.
by Just Another Fan on Jun 24, 2011 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This I agree with.
The rest fails the reality test. We had a short window to get value for Miller, a declining asset, however we view him. In two years, he wouldn’t be worth a peanut butter sandwich and the Blazers would not have had the assets to pick up a competent point guard to replace him. The Blazers protected themselves by swapping Miller for a player that either stays, or can be traded downstream if they resign him. At some point, fans need to connect to certain realities. In the first case, there weren’t any home runs available at the PG slot. This has been kicked around endlessly since the days of Blake, and nothing materialized, and other than CP, Williams, Parker and Harris, virtually every other name carried a list of liabilities and, therefore, controversy. And those four were not available. Portland could not compete with Utah when Harris was in New Jersey, and didn’t have the assets to deal for Williams or CP. Further, Utah was never going to deal Harris once they had him for anything Portland could have afforded or was willing to pay, and the same was true of Parker. A similar situation exists when trying to move up far enough in the draft to find a point guard. What Blazer fans must recognize is that whereas we may have valued Miller in the near future, no one else accorded him that same value. And that means that in every scenerio listed, we would’ve had to deal not just Miller, but Batum and other pieces as well. As it is, we have a roughly equivalent and competent point who will continue to be an asset, and we kept Batum. Which means we still have Camby/Batum available to improve the front line going forward. Had we done anything else, we would’ve had a point guard – maybe (and Parker has never been a pure point), but we would had not assets to upgrade the front line.
As far as this being a step sideways, it was in fact a practical and necessary move. The Blazers were not going to contend until the situations with Oden and Roy along with the new CBA are resolved. Winning now, as such, would not produce a championship. And keeping Miller was not going to take us there.
From where I sit we may not have hit the home run to win the mythical championship, but we’ve kept our hat in the ring while buying the time to find out whether or not we can get there with Oden.
And that is all you can sometimes do. Keeping Miller meant taking a step backwards going forward as his value declined. Picking up Felton keeps us in the game.
by Eben Calder on Jun 24, 2011 5:07 AM PDT up reply actions 11 recs
The Blazers were not going to contend until the situations with Oden and Roy along with the new CBA are resolved. Winning now, as such, would not produce a championship. And keeping Miller was not going to take us there.
If Miller isn’t taking us there, Felton certainly isn’t taking us there. So at the end of the day, with lost because we failed to address our true needs inside. This team is softer than a peanut butter and jelly sandwich in the middle, and there’s no way we get productive minutes from Camby. Other posters are right: we would have been much better off grabbing Faried and Hamilton for RUdy on a stand alone basis. Miller outpefrformed Felton last year and probably would this year – we didnt need to make this move. All we did is make Denver much better, not only with the draft picks, but now they have a Lawson/Miller sugar & spice duo at PG, which will be extremely productive.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
Felton, if they can sign him,
will have many more opportunities than Andre to take the Blazers there. As much as I like Andre, age and shooting are huge drawbacks. They definitely need to address the frontcourt in free agency. This wasn’t a slam dunk move, but it does address one need. If they can fill the roster with some bigs that will bring as much or more than Faried, I am good with the move.
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by tssbro on Jun 24, 2011 7:20 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The simple and undeniable fact is
Felton is a FA next season. He lagged by about 2 PER from Miller last season, and 3.5 PER for his career in half the games. His PER reverted to the mean once he left D’Antonis system (14.7) and he had a terrible playoffs.
Since Felton is a Free Agent next year, why not just stick with Miller for 2011-2012’ since this trade is nothing more that a lateral move at best? If we wanted Felton, we could have made a run for him next year. All the while, we could have picked up Faried and Jordan Hamilton, who could be quite good. Furthermore, we could have picked up Felton cheaper in FA next year because he would have been coming off the bench in Denver. Now we’re guaranteed to pay him top dollar, but yet, we’re no better off than we were with Miller. Worse actually because we picked up Nolan Smith instead of addressing the HUGE gaping need at PF and distance shooting, which Hamilton could have helped.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
There's a fairly major problem with your idea of waiting and signing Felton next year
We would only be able to offer him the MLE (if it even exists), so, we’d be banking on his value being VERY low. We’d also be banking on him wanting to come to Portland. Remember, free agency is a 2 way street. You can’t just want someone at a “reasonable” (to us) price, and then they sign with the team. It’s much more complicated than that.
Now, we have a year to put him on our team, see if he fits (both basketball-wise and personality-wise), and then, if he does, we have a leg up in re-signing him come the offeseason, as we have his Bird Rights and he’s (presumably) already somewhat comfortable here.
If he doesn’t work out next year, we can cut bait and look for other options, just as we would have when Andre’s contract runs out. No harm, no foul.
IMO, next year will be a sort of transition year, as we slowly work Greg back (hopefully), we find out what exactly Brandon has left (maybe), and, we see what we look like with a full season of GW. Personally, I think it’s a great time to make this deal, as we get to test run a young PG and see how they fit. We know that there will be ups and downs, but, if we can get to the point that by the end of the year, this team really develops some chemistry and starts to show potential, we may be in a great place going into next year. If we did that with Andre, then we’re almost certainly looking at another adjustment period going into next year.
This is our best chance at giving us some legitimate roster stability for then next 2 or 3 years, which, IMO, is key to making a serious run in this league.
by thevolv on Jun 24, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Anybody care to address the point
As to why we couldn;t wait until next year to get Felton in free Agency while improving the other teams needs now? Thought so, because it makes too much sense.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
please explain
how a team over the cap in free agency signs Felton.
"I told him, ‘We will get through this, then shock the world.’ He got a kick out of that,'' Miller said. "We will get through this and shock the world ...''
Felton will get more than the MLE.
"I told him, ‘We will get through this, then shock the world.’ He got a kick out of that,'' Miller said. "We will get through this and shock the world ...''
Not much more.
But hey, even a dollar more, and we wouldn’t get him. And risk losing Andre to age.
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Plus, if he's the guy, the sooner you get him integrated into the offense the better. There's always a learning curve on a new team.
by raoulduke on Jun 24, 2011 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
This is an excellent point.
"Anybody might guess beforehand that there would be blunders of the ignorant. What nobody could have guessed, what nobody could have dreamed of in a nightmare, what no morbid mortal imagination could ever have dared to imagine, was the mistakes of the well-informed." - G. K. Chesterton, The Common Man
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it's not about one guy "taking us there"
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
At first I was somewhat upset.
1. Andre for Felton was questionable in my mind, but after thinking, because of age I have to agree that Miller couldn’t be our PGOTF. and since we need to look for one, We may as well start now. Chad said that Felton was not necessarily better or worst then Dre, just different, but much younger and has room to grow; therefore I disagree with the sideways move.
2. My concern and a few others it appears is if Felton would resign for us. I think if we play good his first year with the support of our ROSE GARDAN fans, he will be like many of the great players, he will not want to leave. Of course that may depend on Monies and the new CBA; that is where my controversy started with the drafting of Nolan Smith, but after I thought about it, that would be a insurance policy that we need because of the distance between Armon or Mills and a starting roll. Smith is a better outside shooter then Rudy ended up being, and can take over the job as starting PG now if needed. Therefore a Combo guard is Nate’s baby.
3. We have a young back-up for the bigs in Chris Johnson, who BTW, grew another half inch and has put on 20 pounds since the end of the season and is working out daily at the PF, we also have the option of picking up Pendy or another free agent with the mid-term exception if we drop Earl from the team, since he is not on contract. Therefore, possibly we can get a prime Vet in free agency.
In the end, I have to say, Portland did OK, questionable by many, but we don’t have to bank on BRoy’s health, And if Greg is good to go then we save money on getting another center, if not we can pick up one later.
hg
20 lbs in 2 months?!
Where did you get this information?
"Coach said to always be careful around Greg, because Greg costs a lot and even the slightest amount of basketball can damage him." -- The Onion
yes..I would like to know where you read/heard this!!!
And grew another inch? How old his he? Even if he grew an inch, the NBA certainly wouldn’t record this…:see KDurant.
who is at LEAST 6ft 10..probably more like 6ft 11 inches..and is still listed as 6ft 9inches.
The NBA, where lies about height happen.
there's not a PED on earth
that would get you to 20 pounds of muscle in two months.
by howlingfantods on Jun 24, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I can gain 20 lbs
of fat in two months.
Creator of Projectile project management/invoicing/time tracking system.
that's a pretty solid burn
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
This franchise feels like it has no direction..I really hope I am wrong about Felton
But his two best seasons by far occurred while on uptempo offenses and he is just as bad as a defender as Andre by any statistical measure.
Technically, the Blazers have had 3 guys in the GM role in exactly 1 year (KP's last day was draft day last year, although in some ways it feels like it was much longer ago than that).
"He's like a little mini-hulk type dude." - Channing Frye describing Steve Blake
Putting to much emphesis on GM's
It is the work horses of the scoutting team that does the job anyway.
hg
Felton
Felton, 26. Wes, 24. Crash, 28. LaMarcus Aldridge, 25. BRoy, 26. Oden, 23. Batum, 23. :-)
by BlazersMakr on Jun 23, 2011 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
DING DING DING
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 23, 2011 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions
he had to pull out of the draft at the last moment
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
I thought about that going through this thread again lol
If I had left out “the draft” it would have been a perfect set up
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Faried and Hamilton were available at 22
And we somehow end up with a big reach in Nolan Smith. The fan in me is still holding out hope that we got something not being reported here….
At the very best, this is a “C”
Faried is a stud that we’re going to regret not taking if this is what we have…
Are you a Mexi-CAN or a Mexi-CAN'T?
Blair has worse knees than Roy
Give it one season more, maybe two, and there will be no more Blair talk.
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Jun 24, 2011 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions
1 season of blair>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>a lifetime of pendergraph
i keep dancing on my own.
Graph made sure people didn't get into his lane
he slapped them down. Blair is a horrible defender.
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Jun 24, 2011 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Plus, how many championships are EITHER of them going to win their respective teams?
Answer: Zero.
Parallel lines and such.
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by haildablazer on Jun 24, 2011 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions
ummmm
what?
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Jun 24, 2011 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Did you just compare Blair
With Malone?
Really?
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Jun 24, 2011 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions
you mentioned championships...
without regard for the fact that Blair has accumulated 9 WS in his career to Pendy’s 1.
i keep dancing on my own.
What is WS?
Whipper Snappers?
World Series?
Win Shares?
Probably win shares, but that is a misleading stat.
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Jun 24, 2011 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions
of course it’s flawed. The point is, even if Blair blows out his knees tomorrow, both the Cunningham and Pendergraph picks were colossal mistakes.
i keep dancing on my own.
Your argument is misleading
Would Blair put the Blazers “over the top”? Not in a million years. Same as the Dante and Jeff picks.
Sure, Blair might add another win (debatable) but come the post-season, none of them will make a dent.
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Jun 24, 2011 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions
You can’t evaluate every decision on whether it would cause the team to win a championship.
i keep dancing on my own.
Oh, I'm sorry
For some reason I thought the point of spots was to win.
How silly of me.
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Jun 24, 2011 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions
lol I said spots
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Jun 24, 2011 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions
It is.
But, not every move is going to “get you there.” You have to make a long series of moves to put you in the position to make that “last move”.
Blair would have been a great “on the way move”. Heck, I think it could even be argued that we could have beaten Dallas had we had someone like Blair down low, grabbing boards, drawing fouls and shoving around the less-than-bulky Dallas frontcourt. There were at least 1 or 2 games that were greatly decided by our inability to get a rebound when we needed it.
Who knows
We may have beat the Mavs with a healthy BRoy also. Blairs knees are holding up, but we didn’t know that at draft time.
hg
Roy
Gave the Blazers 3 great years. I expect Blair to provide about the same amount of time for the Spurs.
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Jun 24, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Cunningham
turned into a key part of the Wallace trade. Not sure if that was as big a mistake as you are assuming.
by dwaynebillybob on Jun 24, 2011 1:04 AM PDT up reply actions
I think that the Blazers are going to seriously regret not drafting Faried.
Faried is playing at Denver, who also got Hamilton. Both of those guys can ball, and they will kill the Blazers for years to come. I look at all the Blazer’s moves today, and all I can say is WTF? Felton is hardly an upgrade on Andre. Nolan Smith is a guy that I like as a person, and probably as a player, but he hardly fills a need on the Blazers, and probably could have been had 10 picks later if they had really wanted him. Diebler is a better 3 pt shooter than Rudy, but he is not the play maker that Rudy is, and he may be even a worse defender than Rudy, and that’s saying something. We did not get our back up PF or C. I think that overall the team is worse now than it was yesterday. They better hope to sign Oden long term and that he miraculously comes back healthy.
'Dre is going to make Portland pay
he used to look forward to playing and beating the Nuggets
guess which fdates he’ll have circled on his calendar next season?
and he was already a Blazer-killer before ’09
Denver is on the up escalator, Portland is stuck in a broken-down elevator and the super ain’t answering the phone
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Truth
From what I’ve read and witnessed over Andre’s career the two years here take only a back-seat to his Clippers season in terms of being unappreciated by an organization and fan base.
It cracks me up to read Dave’s recap on why Miller was dealt (Dre’a attitude). Maybe he became complacent because he was misled when he signed as a free-agent, publicly thrown under the bus by someone for conditioning in week one of training camp, benched in favor of Blake after two excellent seasons in Philly, thrown under the bus publicly by Roy at seemingly every opportunity and being involved in EVERY trade rumor since his arrival.
The Blazers organization and a portion of the fan base needs to take a long look in the mirror if they don’t like the result following next season’s Blazers v Nuggets games. Frankly, I’d rather have Miller, Faried and Hamilton then Felton and Smith, but what’s done is done…
Thanks to two4, zeus and jenkins for keeping this board readable, much love.
by westsportsbias on Jun 24, 2011 9:04 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
I regularly take long looks in the mirror
I enjoy admiring beautiful things.
Not sure what this has to do with me being ok with trading Andre and Rudy for Felton, but I’ll be sure to do it regardless of how next season turns out.
"I told him, ‘We will get through this, then shock the world.’ He got a kick out of that,'' Miller said. "We will get through this and shock the world ...''
I used to HATE watching Miller rip apart the Blazers.
And was very happy to hear about his becoming a Blazer from the start.
Was in the minority, that is for sure..esp according to the idiotic media at the time.
Think Andre brought some of this on himself, just by being shy and reticent; which is unfortunate. Always kind of wonder how someone so shy can perform so well in front of stadiums full of people!!!!
Will watch Denver play against us and hope it’s at the latter part of the season as maybe Oden will be able to play by then.
Denver will be pretty freaking good next year I bet.
plenty of 'enlightened' fans appreciate Andre,
as, I believe, do his teammates – as in the special recognition for his ‘iron man’ run, sacrificed in the interest of not getting punked by Griffin. The only guy who probably has trouble with Dre’s attitude is coach McMillan. I have more trouble with coach’s attitude, myself. More and more, the last man standing – Nate – seems to be the primary influence on molding this team. I am not excited about that. ‘One more year of NateBall’… here we go (again).
When playing the Denver Nuggets next season, I'd be more focused on Ty Lawson.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
ya
Its not so much the trade that bothers me, even though I do think we overpaid for Felton. The actual drafting is what irks me. Apparently, the blazers really like Nolan Smith, because he would have been available later in the 1st round and probably into the 2nd. Dre for Felton straight up is a pretty fair trade, throwing in Rudy and the pick we received for him tilts the scales in the wrong direction. They should have found a way to keep that 26 pick so they could take Faried at 21 and Smith at 26. If Denver refuses to make the trade, they probably should have stood pat with Dre and got the 26 from dallas and drafted accordingly. I feel like we are going to really regret not taking Faried. He fills such an obvious need and you pretty much know he is going to be a useful big off the bench for as long as he is healthy and playing. He would have been a very good value pick late in the 1st round.
I dont hate the way things played out, but I sure dont love it either. I’d call it a C on the day…
\oo///
portland acted like a desperate team
denver comes out looking like a great negotiator. raymond felton is alright but we acted like we had to do whatever it took to get him.
by colinmarsh on Jun 23, 2011 10:48 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
As you said
Rudy and Miller weren’t long-term Blazers. Portland turned Rudy and Miller into a PG that shoots better from the outside. That translates to spacing in the halfcourt offense, which will translate into good things for Aldridge and (hopefully) Oden in the block, since it will be more difficult for defending PGs to double team the man on the block.
AK1984 is the happiest guy on the planet with the drafting of Nolan Smith. It will be interesting to see how he develops/fits.
I entered the night thinking that in order to get a younger PG who could stretch defenses in the halfcourt, Portland would have to give up either Batum or Matthews, and was resigned to thinking that one of them would not be a Blazer by this time tonight. I am very happy that neither had to be sacrificed in this effort.
by Storyteller on Jun 23, 2011 10:50 PM PDT reply actions 11 recs
But maybe the Blazers brass
believe that younger was all they needed to get. If they really do believe Roy and Oden are capable of coming back and lifting this team to the next level then they didn’t need to do anything more.
—Dave
it seems the blazers are putting all their eggs in the creaky-knees basket
if roy and oden contribute meaningfully over the next few years, maybe this draft isn’t awful after all.
It has been said many times in many places that you need a superstar.
The top 4 teams this season were represented by Nowitski, Durant, Rose, and Dwaynebron LeWade. Where is Portland going to get a superstar at this point?
1. Tank, blow it up, rebuild, go back to the draft.
2. Greg Oden.
Quite frankly, I don’t blame them for sticking it out for at least one more lockout-shortened season.
"You can pretty much flip a coin to see which Portland team will show up: the dark-horse world-beaters or the mixed-up eggbeaters" - Dave
by conspirator5 on Jun 24, 2011 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Epiphany!
And that’s where Felton’s one-more-year on his contract is really shrewd, actually. If Greg busts again or is bound and determined to leave the team after next season, we probably could torch the entire roster and start over with Captain LaMarcus and the Groovy Rookie Crew.
"You can pretty much flip a coin to see which Portland team will show up: the dark-horse world-beaters or the mixed-up eggbeaters" - Dave
by conspirator5 on Jun 24, 2011 12:47 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Pretty sure those are just pipe dreams
I’d love it if Roy returned to the form of his large contract and Greg lived up to his potential but I’ve stopped holding my breath for that. I don’t want to sound fatalistic but Chad Buchanan just learned a hard lesson in negotiating and this just seems like a rudder-less ship. Miller’s contract was touted as such a hot commodity but if it was so hot then how did we just end up with Felton? Reminds me of how we completely wasted RLEC
persistence is the key
by OOODDDEEENNN on Jun 23, 2011 11:11 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
RLEC was not wasted
I’d rather have had Andre and Batum the last two years than Vince Carter…
by Storyteller on Jun 23, 2011 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions
If they really do believe Roy and Oden are capable of coming back
Brandons name was not mentioned ONCE by Nate or Chad during their press conference. (That has to be for the first time, in 5 years!) OTOH, McMillian said the “core” was Raymond (once Chad reminded him of Felton’s name!) Matthews, Wallace and LMA. Nate also said he was thinking of playing Batum some at the 2 during the playoffs, because Nic can come off a screen, catch and shoot. (#88 will play SG for Les Bleus this summer, as per usual.) Roy does not seem to be deep in Portland’s plans, anymore, I expect he’ll be AC’d
We’ll know more about Greg next week
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by two4larue on Jun 23, 2011 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
relax Blazer fans
I was the most anti draft a pg fan there was. But I like Nolan more than the scraps currently on the roster.He’s a Nate type pg. The move of Dre for Felton was sideways but Rudy had to go.Moving him could not be easy. Perimeter d improved. Now they need to clean house. Sorry Patty and AJ but you gotta go. Now focus on bigs. Deal with Oden. But have plan B in place. Pendy is out there and feed CJ. Who knows who shakes loose now.
" I'm coaching here " ...... Nate McMillan
by FrenchieFan on Jun 24, 2011 8:48 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
fans are putting 10 on Roys knees
Like they’re paying his contract Wes$ absorbs the blow. Chad did just fine. He still has my vote for gm.
" I'm coaching here " ...... Nate McMillan
by FrenchieFan on Jun 24, 2011 8:56 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Spot on.
I noticed this too. As I’ve been digging through video this morning, Roy’s name has been notably absent. The drafting of another guard sent up a signal.
I’m also with you on Batum at the 2; I wouldn’t count him out of the running for the starting gig (although nobody was saying Batum’s name either…). His ability to guard multiple positions is a real bonus, and despite the dip in his %, I think Batum is just as good a 3 pt shooter as Wesley. I think Matthews is more suited to the 6th man role anyway (instant offense, active defender, skilled enough to rule opposing 2nd units).
I can’t believe that we’re still without a clear cut starting 5…
Doers & Makers > Movers & Shakers
by Adam Randall on Jun 24, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Or maybe the Blazers brass
know that’s not enough but that a significant deal wasn’t available tonight. You said a few years ago that even when a team has serious problems it doesn’t make sense to make a trade just to make a trade. That you had to wait for the right player and the right price.
Of all the players moved tonight Felton was the one I coveted the most. And we maintained the flexibility to make that type of move the Blazers need if it presents itself.
Yeah. I'm VERY glad we got out of this draft without moving Nic or Wes.
Blazers fan since '91
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by rise_stand_resist on Jun 23, 2011 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Great point Storyteller--this night feels like a huge meh...
But in reality we’ve kept the majority of the core together that pushed the NBA champs harder than anyone else. I just don’t feel excited or overly optimistic about any of these moves.
by ilikescotch on Jun 23, 2011 10:55 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
"Great point Storyteller--this night feels like a huge meh... "
The problem is it is a meh when they could have done more to address team needs. It seems we are treading water. We have 4 PG if we bring Mills back, we now have 4 SG, and no front court depth. I have to say it is rather disenfranchising at this point. It hurts to see what every one is able to see as potential and slowly watch it dwindle through mismanagement of talent. Chad seemed to clearly be outmaneuvered by savvier players at the table. No one likes to watch their family get made a fool of and it seems that we are the joke of it. A team of folks staring at paper, hastily pointing at 1 of how ever many choices sitting in front of them, fingers crossed, hoping it is the right choice. Tonight is the night of 6 or so years of growth finally hitting a stand still. Are top executives do not like our team in many regards and are willing to duplicate rather than improve the overall picture of our team. Two first round picks from last year will be sitting, our first round pick from this year is without a clear position but will be told he is a PG from day one as there is no room any where else. We watched two previous first rounders get shipped off today clearly signifying they were earmarked red in terms of an investment (zero interest gained rather interest lost). It is sad to say but the “inevitable” lockout is a little less depressing tonight compared to a group I was ecstatic about. Thanks Chad, Thanks Paul, Thanks Larry. Lateral moves only deflate morale. What do the current group of Blazers really look to with excitement? Is Aldridge really going to be excited? Felton is a good player but when you pay 2 dollars for a bag of chips that is clearly marked 99 cents, no matter how good they are, you still are the fool. Here is to the year to come.
With that said
I will be the first hoping I eat my words, Felton fits great, we have an up and coming in smith who needs playing time, Diebler is a natural, and somehow we pull of a trade for a center. Prove me wrong Portland, Palease!!!
Paul loves to collect PGs
at least KP had the guts to tell it like it is…for all the good it did for his career
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"AK1984 is the happiest guy on the planet with the drafting of Nolan Smith."
Yeah, Nolan Smith is to the 2011 NBA Draft as Darren Collison is to the 2009 NBA Draft.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
I'm sorry,
was that Darren Collison you meant, or Daring Collision?
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by Oh. Em. Gee. on Jun 23, 2011 11:58 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Nate will make sure that Nolan becomes all that he can be
poor Smith, he seems like a nice kid. But then so did Marty
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I think Smith has the coach K advantage that Marty didn't.
Hopefully Smith will not let Nate get into his head.
tip of the cap if you're right
scowl if youre wrong.
i have little faith.
48 Wins would be just fine
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 24, 2011 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Ah storyteller
You actually make me feel like this isn’t such a lateral move.
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Jun 24, 2011 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Hmmm, AK1984? Who you talkin' 'bout Willis?
Give up Batum or Matthews (along with Miller) for Felton? That would be crazy, a truly backward move. You should be even happier than you realize!
Just the fact that the offense will have a dramatically different look with a new (and much younger) point guard who spaces the floor is a forward move for me.
"He's like a little mini-hulk type dude." - Channing Frye describing Steve Blake
I would give the trade a B
I think that Felton is also a much better defender than Miller, though metrics don’t really show it. He is much younger, quicker, and a better shooter, so I think he is actually a decent upgrade on Miller.
I give the draft a D because Kenneth Faried was still on the board, and he was perfect for you guys. Nolan Smith at 21 was way too early anyway: most people were expecting him as a very early 2nd rounder.
felton blows in the half court
check out how he did in charlotte in larry brown’s system compared to d’antoni’s. then check out the pace #s for the past 5 years for the blazers.
that is just a horrible fit.
PHILLY!
by CleBlazer on Jun 23, 2011 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah
No way Felton is a better defender than Miller. I would say they’re about equal – both about average.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
and 2 years from now?
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 23, 2011 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions
2 years is a long time
Many things could have happened in that time to get a better fit at PG
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
we'll see
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 23, 2011 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions
2 years?????
Felton and Batum and Crash’s contracts are up at the end of THIS season.
by spencerbutte on Jun 24, 2011 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions
it's gonna be fine dude
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I can see your optimism is causing the facts to get muddled
when the problems don’t surface (in your mind) for 2 years instead of 1.
by spencerbutte on Jun 24, 2011 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions
wow
we’ll see what happens eh? I think we made this deal knowing full well what the implications were. We have to pay someone to play PG, whether that’s Dre or Felton or whoever.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Cho got your man at 7
you gonna jump ship and root for Charlotte?
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Not because of BB ...
but Cho, Nate, Buchanan, Paul, this draft, the infatuation with picking a late-round-PG each draft, assumption that Batum will be happy playing a few minutes at SF than SG will keep him here, inability of the staff to develop young players, etc, etc.
by spencerbutte on Jun 24, 2011 1:29 AM PDT up reply actions
late round pgs
like rondo, parker, collison, maynor…yeah, those guys would do us no good
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
If I could meet 'em I could get 'em, but as yet I haven't met 'em
that’s why I’m in the state I’m in
(Cat Stevens, Another Saturday Night)
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
see you next May
when the mock drafts start up again
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
I would like to ...
I have enjoyed your viewpoints ….
but this will probably my last post here.
by spencerbutte on Jun 24, 2011 1:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Nate's got to change his system and loosen things up, run more PnRs, etc
if he won’t, then he should be fired
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
McMillan himself said Felton has a good PnR game.
I assume he didn’t bring that up specifically to highlight a skill he is going to ignore.
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by conspirator5 on Jun 24, 2011 12:50 AM PDT up reply actions
one can only hope
that a leopard can change his spots
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Felton is a good player
he is a good fit with us
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 23, 2011 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions
freaking disaster of a draft
ray felton is not the answer, and we overpaid to get him. in the process, we made both denver and dallas better, while getting totally played out of faried. that move screamed of a team desperate to move dre.
dumb move by dumb people. like i said during the draft, you know it’s bad when you envy david kahn’s draft day haul.
ugh.
PHILLY!
by CleBlazer on Jun 23, 2011 10:54 PM PDT reply actions 6 recs
They also had much better picks to work with
so, it’s hardly a fair comparison.
they were also willing to blow up their team
a lot of people here would have been pretty upset if we had traded away Wesley Matthews and Gerald Wallace for, say, the 6th and 8th picks in a weak draft.
"I told him, ‘We will get through this, then shock the world.’ He got a kick out of that,'' Miller said. "We will get through this and shock the world ...''
This.
Who would our Steven Jackson have been? Batum probably. Bismack for Batum? No thanks. Maybe it would have been Matthews—a little easier to swallow, but still—no thanks.
Charlotte took a roll of the dice, and I think they did well, but had Portland tried to do the same, it probably would have backfired. What Cho did was take a great first step toward rebuilding. Portland is way past that phase.
Doers & Makers > Movers & Shakers
by Adam Randall on Jun 24, 2011 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
By drafting a back up PG
to back up their BACK UP PG? IDK, I personally don’t feel Charlotte did much to improve themselves. It remains to be seen.
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by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Jun 24, 2011 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I think that's part of the idea
They have a sound base now. After next years draft with some offensive firepower they are going to look intriguing. The year after or next they just might be the next baby bulls/okc etc.
Portland could coast along with their superior talent and stay right with us. Now that Portland woke up, the hammer cometh down.
Bayless > Daffy Duck after 3 cans of rockstar
by Batumshakalaka on Jun 24, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
every one said
wait for the dust to settle. So i said nothing. Dust is settling…….and i still think this sucks. Being a blazers fan=heartache a lot of the time. Thank god Portland gave me Widmer to ease the pain.
you're out of your element, donny. shomer shabbos.
by Gpop171 on Jun 23, 2011 10:55 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Ugh.
If you’re easing your pain on Widmer as a Portlander, then I feel really bad for you.
Q: "Why are the Heat losing?"
'Dre: "That's for them to figure out. We did our job."
by Oh. Em. Gee. on Jun 24, 2011 12:27 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
I liked Miller's great passes and ability to score when needed...
but I really felt his lack of 3 pt shooting ability hurt the team. How many times did defense play off him and collapse the middle? I like Felton’s speed and he has been a good passer. He does throw up a lot of shots but also brings more outside shooting. He also gets a lot of steals. He is young and still getting better so I’m pretty excite to have him on the blazers.
don’t understand all the negativity for trading Miller and Rudy…
It's not negativity for trading Miller and Rudy
it’s more lack of a clear vision about what Felton can do for this team that is that much different or better than what was already being done.
—Dave
I'm fine with Raymond Felton as a short-term stopgap, although I see Nolan Smith as the future.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
And about the opportunity costs
Of neglecting the PF/C position for a year rental with no guarantee he will be resigned when Batum will be looking for a big raise a swell. Its all about the opportunity costs lost and not making the PG position better in the near term
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
especially with faried sitting there
48 Wins would be just fine
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 24, 2011 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions
dave, the season isn't starting tomorrow.
today, the team upgraded at the point guard position by getting a younger version of miller with better outside shooting.
did they solve every roster issue? no. but who did?
did they pick up a superstar to make them instant championship contenders? no, but they didn’t lose any of their core players and live to deal another day. no superstars (or even all-stars) changed teams last night, so it doesn’t look like those sorts of moves were on the table.
have a cup of strong coffee this morning and cheer up! thanks for all that you do dave!
at any point during the season, didn't you ever think to yourself
where would we be with Andre Miller? i did.
i think he did a lot for this team. i don’t understand why you don’t understand. :P
by DefenderOfPants on Jun 23, 2011 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
daily
for the past 18+ months
With Nate and without Dre:
I don’t expect Portland to get off to a quick start, following the lockout
LMA will not be an all-star (sorry, but he won’t)
and hoping for the 1-4 seed in the WC is almost as much of a reach as Nolan Smith at 21
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Disagreed.
LMA will not be an all-star (sorry, but he won’t)
I think Dre was integral in activating LMA, but not necessary to maintaining his momentum. Getting LMA rolling with a steady diet of alley-oops was huge in acquiring a taste for easy buckets, but I don’t think alley-oops are a play that can be depended on at the higher level—the play will always be there, but if a good defender knows it’s coming, it doesn’t seem that hard to counter. Look at Dallas, they put themselves between LMA and the bucket, and the play disappeared.
For LMA to become an All Star, I think he needs to commit to the pick n’ roll. Step one will be learning how to set a freaking pick, but once he gets it down, the sky is the limit. There are so many options with the PnR that don’t exist with the alley-oop—the oop depends entirely on craftiness and length, whereas the PnR can be used all day long, right in the defender’s face.
In essence, I think Miller was vital to taking LMA to the next level, but certainly not vital to keeping him there or taking him further.
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by Adam Randall on Jun 24, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Makes a lot of sense in theory
but until I hear that Bayno has Felton and LMA working on PnRs, then this remains a pipe dream
for several years, Roy and LMA ran a pick and pop, and they both avoided contact with their defenders
I expect Nate will hand the ball to Raymond and let him be the “next” Brandon (1-4, ISO) and the offense will be about as efficient as 2005
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I really hope that's not the case.
I remember the Roy/LMA pick and pop being pretty anemic.
More often than not, LMA showed the pick for a second, then Roy would waive it off, apparently with the goal of creating space in the middle for Roy to operate. I never thought it was a good play; it would work periodically because Roy was amazing, but I don’t think it was very effective at creating opportunities for both players in the way that other PnR plays can. Often LMA was left drifting towards the perimeter, waiting for a bailout pass.
I know we see eye-to-eye regarding Nate’s abilities to coach at a high level (he’d make a fine assistant), but I don’t think he’s going to go back to that play with a less skilled star. If he does, we may get our wish and he’ll be sent packing.
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by Adam Randall on Jun 25, 2011 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Well that was cheery...
…can somebody take my belt and show laces!
Tell us how you really feel Dave!
#7... GO BLAZERS!!!
i can't help but wonder...
if we would have been better off keeping Andre, drafting a PF at #21, and trying to get another pick in the 20s to draft a PG (Smith or Jackson).
by DefenderOfPants on Jun 23, 2011 10:59 PM PDT reply actions
You mean like
Drafting Faried with our pick and using Dallas’ pick from Rudy to get Nolan Smith?
by JMLakaShotCaller on Jun 23, 2011 11:04 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
That was exactly what I was thinking - could have had both Faried and Smith...
Not taking a PF like Faried, when the team is so desperate for help at the 4 and in need of rebounding and take a player that may turn out to be a step up from Armon and Patty – but maybe not by much, doesn’t make any sense to me.
I feel like that's where oden, presumably comes in
Defensive rebound wise.
by JMLakaShotCaller on Jun 23, 2011 11:42 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I'll feel better about the draft if we come up with a solid backup PF
A banger/rebounder.
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by almost awesome on Jun 23, 2011 11:00 PM PDT reply actions
Free agency could have some of those, depending on what exceptions will still be there for us
And according to Buchanan, Freeland will get a serious look to come over in 2012 as the backup C/PF
Portland still has the pieces to make a trade as well to get help in the frontcourt
if that’s needed.
by Storyteller on Jun 23, 2011 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions
sign Chuck Hayes or Rony Turiaf
Portland’s remaining assets are dreck, and they have made it CRYSTAL CLEAR that Batum is going nowhere
(so I don’t want to read any more “let’s trade Nic for _” comments this offseason)
Not. Gonna. Happen.
BTW, Roy is so gone. They’ll need his $$$ to extend Oden and Felton
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by two4larue on Jun 23, 2011 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Let's trade Nic for CP3.
We could use a PG.
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Yeah, as much as it irks me, you're right that this team isn't looking to move the overvalued ...
Nicolas Batum — whose trade value will plummet once he’s up for a contract extension — for an awesomely talented and productive two-way wing such as Andre Iguodala.
So yeah, that’s sadly out of the question. One may expect the Trail Blazers would eventually learn not to hold onto its assets too long, but apparently that’s about to happen once again.
Regardless, I still think that the front office will look to package Marcus Camby and some filler for a younger, stronger, healthier option in the middle if the opportunity presents itself. That needs to be taken care of immediately.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
Paul Allen won't let them trade Batum
just like he wouldn’t let KP trade Rudy in 2009-2010
the difference for me is, keeping Nic is going to turn out to be the right decision
I understand that not everyone shares this opinion, and I’ve been disagreeing with Allen about most other things for the past 12 months (especially his infatuation with the head coach)
Nic was 19 when he joined the Blazers, Rudy was 24. That has something to do with it. Rudy was already a Euro star when he joined Portland, Batum earned his PT and is less entitled than the Spaniard. Fernandez complained about his role, Nic just plays but he’s got an inner drive while being coachable
So I’m not worried about the “hanging on to the French asset too long” Paul’s stubbornness re: Batum may be the best thing that happened with the Blazers, this month. Lord knows they need a little good fortune
I don’t see Camby leaving the Blazers. I do see Roy on his way out, more than ever
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Seems like you'd be jumping for joy that we got a solid PG in his prime without trading Nic
is that not a “silver lining on these storm clouds” as you so cryptically put it?
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Thank you 24L
Ronny and Chuck. I was really high on Faried but the truth is that I’d take either of these guys over Kenneth right now. Unless Faried really is the 2nd coming of Dennis Rodman, these guys provide more value and consistency up front.
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by conspirator5 on Jun 24, 2011 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions
IF Portland can sign one of them, that will lessen the sting
the problem is they’ve needed a banger since 2009, and other than trying for Millsap and a drafting couple of 2nd rounders (Pendy/Ferno) they’ve just kept adding skinny forwards
and finishing 24th in rebounding—and losing in the first round—these things go together
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Yeah, Marcus Camby must be flipped for a healthy center in his prime like Emeka Okafor.
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I could get behind that.
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This may sound like a joke, but, I'm being serious...
You take that Bobcats team and put LaMarcus, Batum, Wesley, and (maybe) Greg, and I think you’ve got something going! Especially if we can get ANYTHING from Brandon.
Sure, we need some veteran depth, but, our Top 8 is young and pretty talented right now (assuming we flip Camby for a younger big).
Oden – New Big
LMA – GW/New Big
GW – Batum
Wesley – Roy/Batum
Felton – Roy/Smith
Once we fill out the depth, I think that’s a pretty solid lineup.
In a letter grade I give a
D. we were Denvers little sister. We got rid of Andre who is just as good as felton just older. We didn’t pick Faried but let Denver get him. We picked a mediocre projected second round pick, who at best is a reserve in Nolan Smith. We traded jordan Hamilton, a stellar talent, also to Denver. Then picked a guy who will most likely not make the roster in Diebler. Hard to call it a success. Definitely a failure in my book. Felton is decent but giving up Andre, Rudy, the rights to Jordan Hamilton and Petteri Koepoenen and potentially conceding the guy we wanted (Faried) and recieving a garbage Nolan Smith and a decent point guard who doesn’t shoot a high percentage in Felton. Paul Allen can look back in two years and say that he single handedly ruined our team as we were on the right path back when we had Pritchard and Penn in the FO. Our team now wants to “win now” with not nearly enough talent to do anything in the playoffs.
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by flynn4blazers on Jun 23, 2011 11:02 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Im honestly depressed about our team
I feel like this team isnt going in the right direction
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by flynn4blazers on Jun 23, 2011 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Marsha Marsha marsha
by JMLakaShotCaller on Jun 23, 2011 11:05 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Denver is ecstatic to be getting Andre back
that should tell Bedgers something, but I doubt they’ll get the point
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supporting the trade doesn't mean disrespecting Dre
I hope Dre’s fans, of which there are many, get that point
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by sammymohawk on Jun 23, 2011 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Denver was never going to re-sign Felton...
So they are happy with a 1 year rental on Andre (and adding Hamilton). We needed a PG that fits with our core like Felton. I think we are confusing the situation. The trade was good. Smith was a reach. If we had finished the night with Felton and Faried I’d be much happier. Instead, I’m holding out hope that we’ll fill our PF needs adequately in free agency.
by 52therim on Jun 24, 2011 12:33 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I wanted Faried too
but I also like Smith, and if he’s the next Collison it would have been anarchy to pass on him. We have no idea how each will turn out. We must have liked Smith better than Faried, we targeted him, and we took him. Now we’ll see if they were right, but the Felton move is far more impactful then our #21 pick.
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Collison actually is no better than average right now
That could change, but he’s not especially good. Not willing to write him off that he will improve however.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
the bottom line is our Front Office liked a guy and took him
it’s a head scratcher to us, but we don’t really know until we see them in the NBA
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by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Who would you rather have: Collison or Reggie Evans?
Because it’s very possible that was basically the choice of Smith vs. Faried. Late round big hardly ever work out, while late round guards often do. I also think we’ll just have to wait and see what happens.
Or it could just as easily Faried
is Brian Grant and Smith is out of the NBA. Almost everybody here would have taken Faried, and furthermore it would have addressed a pressing need. I hope Smith is decent, but let’s not pretend Smith was the better peak over Faried.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
late round bigs include Dejuan Blair, Marc Gasol, along with serviceable guys like Samuel Dalambert, Brad Miller, Omer Asik, Taj Gibson, Kendrick Perkins and Serge Ibaka
i keep dancing on my own.
late round guards include
Rondo, Parker, Collison, etc…
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by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Somewhere today, George Karl is sitting around with a big smile on his face...
After the year he’s had, I’m happy for him. I just wish it had been the Lakers that put that smile there.
by heartless bounder on Jun 24, 2011 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Tonight was blah
Felton is at best an above average PG (just like Dre). Smith is at best a reliable combo guard who helps the rotation (kind of like Rudy).
Overall, either a top flight player was not available or Chad was too afraid to pull off a bold move or the BIG TRADE (read: trade Batum/Wes/GO), which is completely understandable for a person in his shoes.
My take is that Felton is the best we could have done for Miller + filler.
Still, it is was a blah result.
Rudy is reliable?
Have I missed something the last two seasons?
by anupam on Jun 24, 2011 9:28 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Can we trade our draft for Cho's?
Doers & Makers > Movers & Shakers
by Adam Randall on Jun 23, 2011 11:02 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
the wrong guy was left out of the war room
Cho could have run the show by himself and done better
I’m sure Higgins was glad to have him today
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Also, the Blazers site (which desperately needs a facelift, BTW)
says we do have the rights for Ngombo and are looking at dealing them. I know there has been some confusion.
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by almost awesome on Jun 23, 2011 11:02 PM PDT reply actions
Blazer press release
It says he is ours and we are currently looking to deal him. I think the Minny thing on tv was a mistake.
by Sheed'sTowel on Jun 23, 2011 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I doubt the Blazers even knew about him
Fran what’s his name on ESPN said that nobody but the Wolves even knew who he was until this week
6’6, 230 and raw. Minnehaha can have him. The Blazers need to pursue a veteran backup 4 banger….which has been the case for the past 25 months and counting
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Indeed, that guy came out of nowhere like Christian Eyenga did in 2009.
And yeah, the T’wolves can take him for a $500,000 or so in cash considerations.
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To me this draft was just frustrating
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-Antoine Dodson
the past 3 drafts have been well below-average
but I’m sure Paul feels peachy
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um not a bad trade but not a great one either…glad Rudy is gone…no home run here more like just getting hit with a fast ball, you go to 1st but you can hardly run…the bad thing, we would of been better just to take our pick……..then we could of revalued everything I think we would of been alot better off…
Really Portland? Really?
Faried was there! FARIED WAS FREAKIN THERE! AND HAMILTON!! This will go down as yet another terrible year for the Blazers. Victor Claver, Luke Babbitt, Armon Johnson, NOLAN SMITH.
The trade I feel pretty good about. But our drafting could NOT BE WORSE!!! Why Buchanon? WWWWHHHHHYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Speaking of trade...
…WHY did Portland draft Smith when the trade was going to go down? You already have a backup PG in Mills that Paul Allen loves. WHY? Buchanon has some explaining to do.
Trade or no trade Patty is completely inadequate as a backup point guard. That position had to be upgraded.
Granted the team also needed an upgrade at backup 4/5 but you only get to take one player per pick. I think in the playoffs the team’s lack of a backup point guard hurt them more that the shortage at 4/5. The drop off with Patty was intolerable and playing Roy at the 1 didn’t work.
Probably true
But another question: How long can you keep wasting pick after pick after pick on point guards of any stripe? I’ll probably do a post this week on how many draft picks the Blazers have spent on point guards since 2005 as a percentage of the whole. I anticipate the number will be shocking.
—Dave
Since 2005?
Dave might want to include what GM’s were doing each of those picks and how consistently a GM picked a PG a second time.
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But is Smith even a PG?
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
Um, yeah.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 23, 2011 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions
he’s one of those gross combo guards that are never good at basketball.
by cloud razor on Jun 23, 2011 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
no he's not
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by sammymohawk on Jun 23, 2011 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions
maybe not
but he has all the same markings as Jarret Jack, Jerryd Bayless, Armon Johnson and all the rest
by cloud razor on Jun 23, 2011 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions
every player is different
I would argue that Nolan Smith is quite different from those guys in terms of “markings”
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by sammymohawk on Jun 23, 2011 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Duke
4 years…there’s two for starters
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by sammymohawk on Jun 23, 2011 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Both of which are more dead albatross then gold stars
Duke is famous for having low potential NBA players, as are 4 year players. What you see is exactly what you get. And what I see is 10 minutes a game for a good team. ever.
by cloud razor on Jun 23, 2011 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Duke has a bunch of great NBA players
so I have no idea what you’re talking about. Nolan Smith was ACC player of the year.
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by sammymohawk on Jun 23, 2011 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Duke has a bunch of fine NBA players
very few great ones. very few. Thats the whole Duke/NC rivalry thing. Duke has system guys that are excellent in college, but almost always disappoint in the pros. NC has players that are raw, athletic types that blossom in the NBA.
They’re pretty famous for that, really.
by cloud razor on Jun 23, 2011 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I disagree with that stereotype first of all
second of all, I’m not talking about Nolan being an all-star, I’m talking about him being better than Patty and Armon and being our backup PG
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by sammymohawk on Jun 23, 2011 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh thats totally possible
as patty and armon are terrible. BUT the disappointment comes when we look at him compared to a fella like Faried or Hamilton. Those guys have a potential to make a pretty dramatic difference. Nolan Smith is a combo guard backup that will make the ten minutes Felton is out of the game suck just a little bit less.
by cloud razor on Jun 23, 2011 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions
we'll see what they all become, won't we?
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by sammymohawk on Jun 23, 2011 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions
yep
but being a fan is about making guesses and overreacting accordingly. at least, I think thats what its about.
by cloud razor on Jun 24, 2011 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Nolan Smith could be the next Danny Young
Servicable, but nothing to write home about
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I'm hoping for Collison
I’ll settle for reliable backup
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I don't know....Aldridge isn't going last very long if we keep running him into the ground during the season and we literally have no backup 4
I agree with this as well, but like I said, you only get one player per pick. Aldridge needs helps, they're just
going to have to find it someplace else.
Ughh....so many holes to fill....it sure would be nice if our lottery pick from last year filled a need
we didn't have a lottery pick last year
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by sammymohawk on Jun 23, 2011 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Last year's draft was a waste (and unfortunately I think so will this year's be in the long run)
Babbitt, Williams and Johnson contributed nothing and probably never will unless you’re watching D league teams.
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Babbitt was so terrible that I WANTED to forget about him...
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Jun 23, 2011 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions
That doesn't mean we had a lottery pick
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by sammymohawk on Jun 23, 2011 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions
That doesn't mean there weren't
better options to pick (lottery or not) and we’ve passed on them twice now.
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P.S. Obvious better options too.
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P.S.
obviously, but the fact is the jury is still out, just like on Nolan Smith and Raymond Felton
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by sammymohawk on Jun 23, 2011 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't recall saying otherwise
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by sammymohawk on Jun 23, 2011 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions
oh nevermind
I see our disconnect. I wasn’t arguing you said otherwise… I was making the point that lottery or not last year’s draft was a waste… I wasn’t attacking what you said per se… my bad.
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It's being reported that
Smith was picked as insurance against Felton not resigning after this year.
by spencerbutte on Jun 24, 2011 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions
that's what Miller told Marc Spears
like Eomer Andre sees well, perhaps too well
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I guess Denver wouldn't make the deal if we took Faried
But I would rather have Dre and Faried then Felton and Smith
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by flynn4blazers on Jun 23, 2011 11:05 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
amateur hour at the war room of the pf
compare that with the 06 draft when KP completely duped houston and minny and stole broy.
i guess this is what the other end of a pritchslap feels like.
PHILLY!
Wow, revisionist history at its finest.
You mean the draft where the experts and people on this site were crying that the Blazers gave up to much to swap those picks? If you don’t believe me, look it up.
Patty Mills - PG of the future. Book it.
by Blazerholic on Jun 23, 2011 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions
what's so revisionist?
The highlight of the night for me personally was seeing Portland single handedly destroy a trade the Timberwolves and Rockets had in place (#6-Brandon Roy, for Luther Head and #8-Randy Foye) by forcing Minnesota’s hand and taking Foye a pick early at #7. That ensured that the Timberwolves had to trade arguably the 2nd best player in the draft to the Blazers for Foye and cash considerations, a move that was entirely lost on ESPN at the time but should go down as one of the most ballsy ever.
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/2006-NBA-Draft-Report-Card—Part-One-1-10—1389/#ixzz1QAjgcTLf
PHILLY!
That was not common knowledge at the time.
I was posting that information on message boards after the draft, as I had a contact inside the Blazer War Room at the time. I was dismayed by the negativity on ESPN, CBS Sportsline, RealGM, and Blazer Thoughts, so I tried to tell people what was really going on. Popular opinion from the media covering the draft, and most of the fan posts, felt that Patterson and Pritchard got played like over-eager rookie chumps. By posting that information I put my contact at risk. We still feel it was worth it, though, even after my contact was eventually purged by Steve Patterson, because it helped paint the Blazers in a more positive light. All the grades that came out the next day(s) were completely opposite of what was said on draft night.
Givony’s post came out 2 days later. I don’t care what he says, if he knew what went down that night (on draft night) why didn’t he mention it sooner?
Patty Mills - PG of the future. Book it.
by Blazerholic on Jun 24, 2011 1:48 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Please don't refer to Stephen A smith as an expert...
Also I don’t think Blazersedge was in it’s current form at that point.
I wasn't. I was referring to Dave, Chad Ford, Marc Stein, and some of the
other NBA analysts. And Blazers Edge being different then has nothing to do with the fact that I heard the same kinds of complaints. People judged the moves on that night out of context. For example, here’s Dave’s thoughts:
“…Bottom line: Chicago got exactly the player they wanted plus Viktor Khryapa for free and Minnesota got exactly the player they wanted plus cash for free…gifts courtesy of your Portland Trailblazers. We got worked twice in front of the whole NBA, the second time in a manner so obvious as to be unmistakable.
There’s nothing more enticing at the poker table than a fish (new person/sucker) with a large bankroll. The good players will bluff him and bluff him all night long until he calls the bluff or surrenders all his chips, whichever comes first. We were the fish tonight, and we showed both our bankroll and our gullibility to be substantial…
—Dave"
Patty Mills - PG of the future. Book it.
by Blazerholic on Jun 24, 2011 2:08 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good perspective. It doesn't matter where you pick, #1 or #21, you won't know how good you did for at least three years.
by raoulduke on Jun 24, 2011 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
could have easily had Dre, Faried AND Smith
Just trade Rudy for the 26, Smith likely would have been sitting there. We should have forced Denvers hand, they are(or at least should be) a lot more desperate to dump Felton than we were to get rid of Dre. These are the kind of things that happen when you dont have a true GM making the phone calls, you get taken to school…
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"they are(or at least should be) a lot more desperate to dump Felton than we were to get rid of Dre"
Are you sure about this? We basically had to do it on draft day to get any value for Andre and his contract (which was most of his value). Meanwhile, Felton has the same value from now until the trade deadline.
We basically had to do it on draft day to get any value for Andre and his contract (which was most of his value)
That’s a load, because Denver is going to keep Andre Miller and not cut him for salary relief. Or so thats what SB Nation Nuggets is saying. They simply rather have Miller over Felton (with the picks Faried/Hamilton) if they keep him. They probably figure the get the NBA’s best backup and I bet they try to extend Dre for less money for a backup role after this year. Something Portland shopuld have done.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
I think one of the easiest ways to evaluate this trade
is to simply look at each team’s takeaways. Like dave said, we went exactly no where fast with this trade, so which of these two groups seems like the better fit for next year?
We now have: Raymond Felton, Nolan Smith
We could have had: Andre Miller, Kenneth Faried, Rudy Fernandez and Petteri Koponen
I can’t help but think we used all of our valuable assets to stay exactly the same team. And we missed out on a cool rasta version of Dennis Rodman.
I guess GMs do stuff after all.
how about the year after?
how about the year after that?
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by sammymohawk on Jun 23, 2011 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Well
Both pgs contracts are expiring. So still the second one. I like me some rebounds.
by cloud razor on Jun 23, 2011 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Miller’s situation was more murky. Some speculated his attitude wasn’t up to snuff even during this, his best year as a Blazer. Off-record whispers had him too complacent in the face of losing.
‘Dre was and is a consummate pro. Quick compared Miller to Pippen as a person and a role model in the locker room as well as out on the floor. Andre’s teammates showed how much they cared for him during the “621” celebration. There is absolutely no reason to look for hidden reasons behind this trade; there are no skeletons in Miller’s closet. Tell the “whisperers” to go love themselves, the man will be missed.
Will Felton re-sign with the Blazers? If you can’t convince or afford him you’re left with a stable of young, untried reserves…a disaster waiting to happen
Paul Allen will not let Portland not resign RF. Portland was Felton’s 2nd choice when he eventually signed as a FA with the Knicks. His agent is already making overtures with the Blazers for an extension. Nothing can be done until after the lockout, but I’m not in fear of a one-and-done Raymond, unless he really looks bad in red/black next season
Jon Diebler …the Blazers, coincidentally, need spot-up shooters. It’s a natural match.
A less-celebrated Rudy, without the passing skills and baggage. Buch said that they may send him to Europe for a season, and with the lockout impending, that makes a lot of sense.
Portland got less-Euro tonight witht he departures of Fernandez and Koponen. I hope they continue to draft domestic players, because outside of Batum the foreigners simply haven’t panned out. Perhaps Freeland will change that dynamic a year from now, but I’m not optimistic that Claver will ever join the team. More likely Victor will be used as a trade asset as Petteri was, today.
I’m happy for the Finn, he’s going to a quality organization, not one that is treading water
To some up today’s events in one word: meh. The Blazers settled, which is what I’ve come to expect from the current front office and coaching staff.
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by two4larue on Jun 23, 2011 11:06 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
I think you mean "lack of" front office
For what it is worth, I was pretty impressed with what Cho did today.
They can't offer Felton an extension during this year, only a 2 year contract he's on
At least under the current CBA rules. But of course could decide to re-sign when the deal is up.
Yeah, his contract is too short for him to be eligible for an extension during it.
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Trade is good!
I love miller, but we are overrating our guys. miller/rudy is a fair price for felton. The trade makes us better.
The blunder of drafting Smith is another issue. I with many of you am very frustrated…yelling at the tv type mad. We needed Faired, who could stop us with two guys with dreads?
Do what it takes to get Rondo!!!
by bradheni on Jun 23, 2011 11:07 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
How did the trade make us better?
I think thats what we have a hard time wrapping our minds around? how? We got a little shooting a lost a bunch of halfcourt execution.
by cloud razor on Jun 23, 2011 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Felton is getting better,
While miller is not. Miller was great for us, but he is on the decline. I have no problem with the move.
Do what it takes to get Rondo!!!
by bradheni on Jun 23, 2011 11:13 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
We’ll only have either of them for a year. not exactly a long term move, unless as dave noted, Felton takes a tiny amount of money and the knee fairies visit.
by cloud razor on Jun 23, 2011 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions
the new CBA
supposedly will make it easier to re-sign guys as opposed to having them leave in free agency. but yeah, if we only get felton for a year it kinda sucks
by bluthbanana on Jun 24, 2011 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
What do you mean by
“unless as dave noted, Felton takes a tiny amount of money”?
We could sign him for anything from the min to the max. It all depends on what the Blazers are willing to offer him. I see no reason why money will play any part at all in if we do or don’t re-sign Felton.
Our own Ben Golliver suggested via phone that it felt like the Blazers were dealing from a place of weakness and got fixated on a task it eventually cost them too much to complete. That may be true. I wonder if the task needed doing in the first place, or whether some fresh vision might have opened up new possibilities.
Ah Dave, you really nailed it with those 3 lines. Couldnt agree more with the whole post.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
Paul told the guy with the fresh vision to go away, last month
the rest of them are inbred, or yes men, or both
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by two4larue on Jun 23, 2011 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
we got fixated and overpaid for Felton?
If you believe that Felton is the answer at PG, do you really let the deal collapse because you have to have 1 more year of Rudy?
by 52therim on Jun 24, 2011 12:44 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Rudy and Peterri had to go
it’s not that the assets were that great, it’s the principle of the thing
the Blazers bought high and sold low. Now the rest of the NBA knows they’re marks
they had a decent GM, now they need to get lucky and find another. Or they’ll never be able to deal from a position of strength in the foreseeable future
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Do they need a GM that can Pritchslap the rest of the league?
Seems like we may be upset that we made moves that made other teams better. Duh! That’s why any GM makes a move. Are we better off to have a solid PG in his prime rather than a solid PG past his prime? Sure! You said it, the assets we gave up just weren’t that great. We kept our young core. You wanted Faried, so did I. A case could be made for Smith however. Faried is rather one-dimensional, albeit something we should value highly. Smith should be more ready to play both ends of the floor. I just don’t see how our FO has lost all the credibility that you seem to think it has.
by 52therim on Jun 24, 2011 1:51 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Denver wanted to trade Felton
they also wanted Miller back
and yet, Portland had to part with 4 more assets to facilatate that swap
Fernandez
Jordan what’s his name from Texas
Koponen
and the opportunity to select Faried
there was another deal with Denver back in the ’80s that was similar, and Inman/Ramsay were fired a few years afterwards, despite putting together the ’77 juggernaut
You are _ right the Blazer’s front office has lost street cred. The snickers are nationwide
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Quite simply
Felton isn’t the answer at PG. Its really that simple.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
quite simply
that’s just your opinion, and it’s really not that simple at all
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by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yup, the facts state this
14.5 career PER, no playoff success in 2 tries – horrible in the 2011 playoffs; medicore shooter and average at best defender. Yup, the facts are on my side.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
You're gonna cite playoff success?
Really? I mean…Really??? It’s not as simple as you are making it. You will change your tune about Felton I guarantee it
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by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
You will change your tune about Felton I guarantee it
For the love of God, can you stop saying that! Will not happen its clear what we have here.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
it's gonna be so sweet when I'm right about this and you eat those words
I feel like you haven’t watched Felton play very much
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by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
what he means to say
is not that you will be wrong, but that he will refuse to change his tune.
"I told him, ‘We will get through this, then shock the world.’ He got a kick out of that,'' Miller said. "We will get through this and shock the world ...''
by abdelnaby on Jun 24, 2011 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thats funny
I think you’ve obviously never watched Felton. thats the only conclusion I can come up with.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
the funny thing is
I have actual facts on my side that PROVE my case, while all you have are claims that Felton is better without any statistical evidence to back anything up. The age thing changes the scenario for sure, but you over estimate Felton. Plain as day.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
the "facts" say that they were close to equivalent last season
they also say that felton made a significant improvement last season and that miller has, at best, plateaued.
your "facts" don't prove crap
I’m gonna be right about this in the long run, you’ll see
New to blazers edge… but just commenting on the Felton pick. You guys will be very happy when you see him controlling things on the court. Him and crash together again is a big plus. I live in the Charlotte area and watched him go to New York as well as Denver. He was right by demanding to be a starter in this league because that’s what he is. Tough, durable, lightning fast, strong, can dish the rock , much improved from 3(money if he sets his feet), developed a nice tear drop, solid mid-range game, can blow past anyone on the court, defends well, plays well angry, good vocal leader, not afraid to hold his teammates accountable. The funny thing about him this year in NY was that anybody that was rumored to be coming to NY to take his spot he took it personal on the court. Chris Paul, Steve Nash, Derron Williams, Tony Parker, Luke Ridnour, etc. The dudes the truth. Just wait. You will c.
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by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
You'll see
You’re wrong about Felton. Just wait. He’ll be ok, but not the move we should have done. the degree of wrongness will be in direct proportion to how well Faried and Hamilton do or dont do.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
you will be the one who sees my friend
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by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Nope
You will see he’s average. And I guess that’s fine because he’s younger. History proves this, and if you think Felton will be anything more than average, you are just denying history, fact and precedent.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
Felton will be good for us
not average. Bold prediction I know. It’s not about him taking us over the top. It’s about having a solid PG for now and the future. Dre was not the future! Guys like Bledsoe and Holiday have extreme value! We still have Batum! We can still make moves! THERE IS NO MAGICE PGOTF UNICORN THAT WE ARE MISSING OUT ON!!!! WE HAVE BEEN TRYING THAT FOR YEARS!!!!!! Now get the last word in, which I’m sure you will, and leave it alone. Nothing that happens today is going to change your mind.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
yes, id be happy to get the last word in
Felton will be average for us, based on past history and athletic ability. He wont take us anywhere Dre would have taken us in the next year or 2 (assuming we extended Dre an extra year). The harshness of this trade will depend on how Faried and Hamilton pan out, not on how Dre does going forward. We addressed the wrong area when you should have waited.
Thats the last word, and thats all based on historical fact up to this point.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
athletic ability?
you realize Felton is superior to Dre athletically right?
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah, a little bit
But he’s no special athlete himself.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
he's a PG
who throws down 2 handed and put back dunks…he’s a pretty darn good athlete
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by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree he's probably
a little better than average athlete with an average game in every respect
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
because Dre had a great game in every respect
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Not in every respect
But Top 10 All Time in Assists and a 18 PER in 967 is extremely impressive; puts him in the Top 10 percentile of PG’s All time. And he was still extremely productive at career average levels this year on offense and defense.
Felton, not so much.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
and zero trips out of the first round
PGs don’t win championships, Felton is a perfectly fine option for us
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by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Sometimes a player just fits.
You can’t say anything definitively until you see him play with this team. Heck, Chauncey Billups flamed out with a bunch of teams before finding his spot in Detroit. Not saying that Felton is Billups (although, at this point in his career, he’s been much better), but, to discount him ever being anything more than he’s been so far, is ridiculous.
I agree
people are just bitter we didn’t get the mythical amazing PG that can be everything for us and lead us to a title. That guy wasn’t out there for us to get. I think Felton will fit really nicely with us.
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by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Good writeup. Terrible draft.
Nolan Smith sounds like exactly what we don’t need. Faried was exactly what we need — defensive rebounding. Maybe passing on Faried was part of the trade. Who knows.
Felton is not as good as Miller — Miller is a top-10 point guard still. Felton is not. I say Miller still has 2 good years left in him. I would have liked to have seen them played in a Blazers uniform.
We needed to take a step up in talent if we made a trade. Otherwise, you’re only messing with chemistry. I feel like the team took a step back.
I would have been happy landing Faried or Reggie Jackson and standing pat otherwise.
by byronirvin on Jun 23, 2011 11:08 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
We honestly have two bigs I feel comfortable having in the game
Behind Camby and Aldridge who is going to play big minutes? Chris Johnson
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next week begins the summer/fall/winter of our discontent
we got a sneak peek of that, tonight
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at first i thought it was a misprint
that in essence Rudy and Andre for Ray Felton (Jordan Hamilton I would have kept, but then again, I would have drafted Durant over Oden…something about Texas guys…LA) … are you kidding me??? 11 points and 5 assists (the NY Knicks time was on a bad team that played open and no D…so 17 and 9 seem great…but buyer beware)…taking Smith over Faried was foolish too….nice…regression
I'm a little more happy about it than Dave
look, don’t forget, Raymond Felton was the starting PG in New York for about half the season and was putting up great numbers (yes I realize it was in the D’Antoni system – but they were still good), and leading a playoff caliber team pretty well. And he played really well in Denver. Dave asks why he got traded? Because the Knicks were getting Chauncey Billups, and because Denver wanted to let Lawson develop.
And no we didn’t take Faried and shore up the rebounding issue, but I think we did a better job than Dave is suggesting of rebuilding the backcourt. Rudy needed to go, and we got a much younger, but still very productive PG, and a 6th man type of player in Smith who can possibly play either guard spot.
At the end of the day, look at it like this, would you rather have Miller+Rudy or Felton+Smith. Honestly I’ll take Felton+Smith…although Faried+Felton would have been pretty sweet too
by rip_city_swagger on Jun 23, 2011 11:11 PM PDT reply actions
yeah
it could also be Miller + Rudy + Faried
Or Miller + Rudy + Smith
Or MIller + Faried + Hamilton
Or Miller + Faried + Smith
And out of all of those, I’d go ahead and rank felton + smith last.
For sure.
by cloud razor on Jun 23, 2011 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions 12 recs
make this green
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I don't know
Andre had one year left, do you think we we’re going to re-sign a 35-year-old PG? And Rudy needed to go, if nothing else than to balance the roster
All of your options include Miller – but I thought for a straight-up trade, getting a competent 26-year-old starting-caliber PG was a pretty good move
by rip_city_swagger on Jun 24, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I totally agree
Miller wasn’t gonna be around and good forever people
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
and I can't believe anyone would whine about Rudy being traded
after the terrible things that have been said about him
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
duh news flash
We could have traded Rudy for Dwight Howard? WHY OH WHY won’t the front office address the front court?!?
"I told him, ‘We will get through this, then shock the world.’ He got a kick out of that,'' Miller said. "We will get through this and shock the world ...''
a 38 year PG just won the championship
just throwing out age is a weak arguement… Andre is playing, well and strong, and is familiar with our team.
Gross blunder.
Thanks Nate.
Ray Felton did this in the playoffs:
Ray Felton, 2011 Playoffs:
30:23, 18-50 (36%), 4-16 3FG, 11.6 PPG, 4.2 AST, 2 TO, 1.8 REB
And had a 14.7 PER in Denver. Once he exited D’Antonis system, he simply reverted to the mean.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
Marc Spears said RF was selfish for Denver in the post season
Don’t just listen to just the rosey news coming out of camp Allen
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Felton's attempts per game actually dropped in the playoffs, and his USG% is right on with his average.
Doers & Makers > Movers & Shakers
by Adam Randall on Jun 24, 2011 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Ray Felton, 2009 Playoffs
G 4, MIN 32:50, FG% 40.5, 3PT FG% 30.8, PPG 11.8, AST 5.0, REB 2.5
So that’s two sucky Playoff series Felton has participated in, both near sweeps. Terrific plan by the boys in the Front Office.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
is it too soon to ask if our scouts have lost their touch?
by DefenderOfPants on Jun 23, 2011 11:11 PM PDT reply actions
what have you been waiting for?
they haven’t had it since ’08
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I thought Dre for Felton straight up was fair
But giving them a 1st AND Faried? Bit much I’d say.
Nolan Smith? Diebler? Somebody please reserve LMAs place on the injured list.
On the upside
Diebler makes really good cookies in that tree of his, right?
—Dave
by Dave on Jun 23, 2011 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just imagine he's holding 3pters...

Doers & Makers > Movers & Shakers
by Adam Randall on Jun 23, 2011 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
and it won't be, for a very long time
but the active part of it will end in a week, then all the lights will go out
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I'm imagining the last season in Bourne Identity...
Doers & Makers > Movers & Shakers
by Adam Randall on Jun 24, 2011 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
season scene…
Doers & Makers > Movers & Shakers
by Adam Randall on Jun 24, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
TERRIBLE!
I dont like this draft at all. nolan smith’s absolute ceiling is a backup PG who cant shoot well, turns ball over too much and isnt a PG. We couldve had Faried who fits a need. Then the trade doesn’t make any sense. Its a lateral move at best. I like Felton but giving up Miller, Rudy, Petteri & future 2nd for him is too much. I think we couldve done better than that. Plus I’d rather have Jordan Hamilton who has some decent potential & good side for SG/SF. I hope more moves r coming b/c this was not a good draft for us imo.
Felton is servicable and Nolan Smith is a guy that we can develop easily. He's the exact type of player Nate likes.
As Sam said, the offseason aint over. Now comes free agency and a chance to pull off a signing like we did with Dre, where we could feasibly grab a veteran center or guard.
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by rise_stand_resist on Jun 23, 2011 11:15 PM PDT reply actions
I expect Portland will amnesty-clause Brandon
then they may be able to pick up a veteran or two on the cheap after the lockout
if those two sentences don’t make you feel warm and fuzzy, just wait there’s a long work stoppage on the horizon
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Just think of the difference Turiaf could make to this team.
and how much of a distraction an ailing Roy was (not to mention lost assets)
Ronny Turiaf does have a player option for next season, so he might choose to stay in New York.
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There is zero chance of that happening.
I mean, I’d love to be wrong about this, but if theres anything we’ve learned this year, its that Brandon isn’t just going to go away quietly.
and that leaves us with no cash.
by cloud razor on Jun 23, 2011 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Really epic draft fail by the Blazers tonight. I guess that's what you get picking at 21. Glad we got rid of Rudy and got something for Andre.
Not really looking forward to next season at the moment. This lockout might really turn me off. Hoping to get a boost if we sign Oden to a good deal.
I get not taking Faried to get Felton. That is what Denver wanted.
But JaJuan Johnson and Justin Harper were there for us at 21. Nolan was a reach. Even Diebler isn’t guaranteed to be ours. So in essence you have one pick in the draft and you reach for a back-up PG? Hmmm
BOOM THO
by Blazers 4 Life on Jun 23, 2011 11:16 PM PDT reply actions
I think I get it
Do what it takes to get Rondo!!!
by bradheni on Jun 23, 2011 11:16 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Chad Ford says,
When speaking of Portland’s pick of Nolan Smith, and I quote, “This feels like the first true reach of the night.”
Yep. Terrible. Why am I a Blazer fan?
Felton is evidence of just how badly the Blazers wanted to be rid of Andre Miller.
Despite Miller’s obvious contribution to keeping the team afloat amidst all the injuries and Roy’s eventual physical breakdown, Miller was never going to get them anywhere beyond just staying afloat. As every team he has played for in the NBA eventually realizes, his liabilities outweigh his considerable strengths, and Portland did what every team has done in his past – which is to trade him or let him walk away without re-signing him.
I don’t see any comparison between Felton and Miller at all. They are very different types of PGs. Felton is quicker and a better defender and can shoot from outside (decent but not great). That should allow the Blazers to open up the middle better to allow LMA to expand his game, Wallace to drive, and HOPEFULLY give Oden more space. The Blazers CAN play a different game with Felton than Miller. WILL they? That is the question for Nate.
Bottom line – Felton provides an opportunity to get better that Miller didn’t. Hopefully, Nate can find a way to take advantage of that.
Of course Felton’s age (26) was a big drawing card. If he delivers, he could be our PGoF for a long time if we can re-sign him. That is the big problem with this acquisition. When his contract expires next summer we will not have Bird Rights, which means (under the current CBA rules) we would have to use the MLE to re-sign him, and there may or may not even be an MLE in the next CBA. We would have had Bird Rights to Miller next summer, but by that time his sign and trade value would probably have been drastically reduced. So by comparison Felton’s contract situation really isn’t any worse, but it is far from desirable.
OK, now that Miller is out of the way it’s time for Paul Allen to send the right signals to Greg Oden (even though he can’t negotiate until after the lockout ends) that Paul is going to make him an offer he can’t refuse and convince him he wants to return to PDX. Else we are headed for years of mediocrity.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jun 23, 2011 11:18 PM PDT reply actions
As every team he has played for in the NBA eventually realizes, his liabilities outweigh his considerable strengths
the Nuggets must be dumber than the other teams, they’re glad to have ’Dre back
you’ll miss Miller, eventually. But tonight is your night to be at peace for the first time in almost 2 years. Enjoy the bliss
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It's a great day to be a Blazer (fan)!
Ok seriously, I can’t think of anyone that has played better for the Blazers that I disliked as much as Miller. His attitude and actions after he arrived totally soured me on him.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jun 24, 2011 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions
I feel Andre Miller gets a bad rap for being withdrawn, as he seems like a genuinely good person.
The only real flaw with Miller was always on-court stylistic fit. For better or worse, his game just didn’t fit this team.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
It's much more than being withdrawn. It was his attitude of entitlement and disrespect for his coach and fans.
I’m too old-school to accept that. But he’s gone now, so I’ll let it rest.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jun 24, 2011 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions
dude could have had anxiety for all we know...
I think his post play is what got him traded more than anything else.
his post play?
cuz he was good at posting up?
by cloud razor on Jun 24, 2011 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I like deal more for Denver
Denver continues to stockpile assets & gets a veteran mentor for Lawson & a possible replacement for JR Smith. We continue to miss on draft night as I believe we haven’t had a good draft since 06. I know we’ll regret taking Nolan instead of Faried & not getting more outta Rudy & 2nd rounder.
Denver is reportedly going to keep Miller
And what a PG duo they will have with lightening quick / methodical. They have a really strong team, and niow they just added the best backup PG in the NBA by FAR
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
So while we're slogging away with Nolan Smith or Patty Mills on the second unit
Denver will play Miller, a career 18 PER player. Ummmm advantage Denver by a mile
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
Miller will accept a backup role when pigs fly. Good luck with that.
"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jun 23, 2011 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions
He will
Its inevitable when you get older. Im sure hes getting to the point where he wants to win. And he was the biggest cheerleader of Patty Mills/AJ from the bench at points this season.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
Are you talking about the guy that said he wouldn't have signed with PDX if he knew he would be asked play backup?
The guy that had a 30 minute shouting match with Nate about not starting?
The guy the Blazers thought didn’t care enough about winning?
The guy they couldn’t wait to get rid of today?
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jun 23, 2011 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
Everybody gets older and priorities change. It wont be Miller’s call at some point whether he starts or not. I dont know when that time will be.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
id be pretty pissed too
When you’re still putting up excellent Top 10 18.5 PER numbers and then you’re relegated to the bench behind…wait for it… Steve Blake. I’d be pretty pissed too!
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
by zeusmith on Jun 23, 2011 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
But, but, but
Blakely played for the Lakers this year!! and at one point he got very sick…The measles I believe…so there.
dude
our clueless coach had steve freakin blake playing over him.
the shouting match was warranted and frankly, nate deserved it for making such a dumbass move in the first place.
PHILLY!
Way to pick out all negatives that occured during the Transition period and completely ignore the fact Andre pretty much carried this team into the playoffs two years ago
And helped turn LMA into what he is today
Buchanan made it perfectly clear
That Portland wouldnt have even made the playoffs without Miller. It was crystal clear. They just wanted to get younger and somebody with more shooting.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
Then they put your role model on a bus and sent him out of town, like all other teams he has played for.
No team has ever re-signed Miller in 12 years. Looks like a trend to me.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jun 23, 2011 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions
So we trade that for a guy whose played for 4 teams
in 6 years. I believe they call that circular logic.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
Trading Miller for Felton isn't exactly an endorsement of Miller's value, is it?
But hopefully Felton’s different skill set will allow the team to improve versus Miller’s considerable skill set and considerable liabilities. We shall see.
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by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jun 23, 2011 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions
But then...
trading Felton for Miller wouldn’t be exactly a ringing endorsement for Felton would it, by that some logic?
And because of the salary-cap quirks and unique economy of the NBA, it’s very possible for a good player to never be resigned by their team, just as it’s possible for a good player to never win a championship. So he chose to go to the Nuggets instead of resigning with the Clippers he’s always been an unwanted player?
And even though he may have never signed a contract extension with the Nuggets, they apparently liked him enough to bring him back.
Also, you’re really reaching with your characterizations of Miller as a negative specter haunting the locker room and “disrespecting” fans and coaches. When has Miller ever disrespected fans. He’s a dude who keeps to himself and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. As far as his “shouting match” with Sarge, it was apparent that Miller was under the impression from McMillan and Pritchard that the WOULD be starting. Who was doing the disrespecting there? I would be mad as hell too if a much lesser player was pigheadedly played ahead of me after I had quietly performed a decent job in the NBA for years.
Don’t even get me started on these rumors that one of the reasons Miller was traded was because he “didn’t care enough about winning.” The same guy who dropped 52 on the Mavs once and nearly singlehandedly won the game? Who deferred to his teammates on the floor instead of padding his stats, because that wins basketball games? After all, it’s not like the Blazers have a history of spreading malicious rumors of former employees immediately after the termination…
Rant over.
by caesar on Jun 24, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
And even though he may have never signed a contract extension with the Nuggets, they apparently liked him enough to bring him back.
George Karl begged the FO not to trade Miller when he was in Denver. The FO thought they needed a big time scorer instead, so essentially traded Miller for Iverson. That turned into a lateral move more or less, so as far as I’aware, it wasn’t a matter of not wanting to resign Miller in Denver.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
he will, playing for a coach he respects
he just wouldn’t for Nate in Portland, especially not behind Steve Blake
Lawson and Miller will make a great change-of-pace tag team PG combo. The Nuggets sure didn’t stay down for long, even with all the Melo controversy
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Ty Lawson doesn't need a mentor.
He needs playing time.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
Forget about mentor
Denver instantly has an great backup PG, which always comes in handy
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
Miller is no ones backup
he will force his way out.
48 Wins would be just fine
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 24, 2011 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions
I disagree
I think Miller will do what it takes for Karl. He probably is getting to the stage where only winning matters. He knows his time as a starting PG are nearing a close.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
well i disagree with that assessment
as well.
Karl loves him and thats great and all but he is not gonna be happy being a backup. Not one bit. Also Denver isnt very close to title contending.
48 Wins would be just fine
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 24, 2011 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I think I get it
To avoid injuring more bigs we will just avoid them all together…we will rely on CJ to play big minutes I guess
Do what it takes to get Rondo!!!
by bradheni on Jun 23, 2011 11:19 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
CJ's gained 15 lbs since season's end
maybe’s there’s hope for him, yet
still need to add a veteran banger, and hope like heck Oden and Camby can stay somewhat healthy
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Really?!?
Dang, kid hit the weight room a la Cunningham.
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by Adam Randall on Jun 24, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
from where are people getting this notion that felton is a good defender?
whatever dre lacked in speed and athleticism, he made up for in smarts and instinct. and not to mention the blow this is going to place on our mental toughness.
PHILLY!
Andre 2.0
With Roy along side Felton, are we really tougher defensively in the back court? No.
At least Diebler and will have a good time replacing Mills and Johnson watching from the bench. In the grand scheme of things what did Portland really accomplish tonight? Oh yeah, we got a younger Dre and got rid of Rudy.
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Part of this is that I've never really been a fan of Felton, his only success has been a part of an uptempo offense
If you talk to Denver fans they were not impressed.
I don't mind Felton. I like him as much as I liked Dre
He has his strengths and he has his glaring weaknesses. So yeah we got younger at PG and for a team that has been desperately seeking Susan its PGOTF, this is a decent pick up for the next couple of years.
When you compare it to the PGs passed up in the draft over the years, the holes and needs of the team right now… no it’s not a blow you out of your seat acquisition.
It’s another Blazers “meh” draft that will most likely lead to very little from those drafted.
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Felton and Dre are about equal defensively IMO
Average for the position.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
As a Dallas fan, I don’t think that Portland needs a dramatic “kick in the pants.” Y’all gave us as good a run as anyone in the Western Conference, so it’s a little unfair to say that Portland didn’t have post-season success with this team when you lost to the NBA champs in the first round.
by tjarks on Jun 23, 2011 11:22 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
And lost to the Suns in the first round the year before
And lost to the Rockets in the first round the year before.
The operative word in all of those sentences, including against the Mavericks, being “lost”.
—Dave
6-18 post season record
33%
Only one team can win it all every year, but that’s not a successful post-season showing
the front office had to shake things up. It can’t be the head coach’s fault so replace the PG
the good news for Nate is, he can’t lose any more games for awhile
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33% doesn't look great...
But let’s face it if you’re not a contender, losing by an average of 4-2 in a series is a decent showing. How many series are tight enough in the first round to really go the 7 games?
Denver, who arguably have had a more consistent pedigree had a 4-20 postseason record through the 2004-2008 period.
It’s not until teams are good enough to break into the second round, ie. being good enough to make the top 4 spots in the conference, that they’re going to turn those records around.
On what planet do you live?
I watched every game last season and what I saw in Andre was the beginning of the end. The guy is old and despite being an iron man, which he accomplishes by not playing that hard, his production was down. This team isn’t going to be winning any half court offense awards as built and andre was incapable of running the ball in transition. I like felton because he can shoot, he is strong finishing at the rim, he can push in transition and his isn’t on his last legs.
We are looking at the almost certain lockout of the NBA for some of next season or more and having an aging point guard in a lockout seems dumb. I think the organization made the only choice they had besides giving up and rebooting. They got younger at the point, improved shooting, dumped rudy, and doubled down with what we have.
I look forward to seeing this team healthy playing together for an entire season. I think people will be surprised what our team can do when the point guard is a threat from the arc and we push the ball in transition. And maybe, just maybe we will see oden.
I’m tired of people complaining about the front office and paul allen. Its time to get real our team isn’t that bad and has the potential to be really good. One draft isn’t going to make me disown this team and anyone who thinks its time to towel, I remind you that this team took dallas to six games and in my opinion played them better then miami. Go Blazers
Actually
A lockout shortened season is exactly the time you’d want to have an older team/player. More experience and less time to break down over the course of 82 games. I hear both pgs will be free agents after that, so its not exactly like felton is the PGOTF here. or at least, i hope he’s not.
by cloud razor on Jun 23, 2011 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions
The last lockout had teams playing ton of back to back games and even some back to back to back.
Andre would have wilted under that schedule,.In fact it was the Blazers young roster and two deep depth chart that gave them the big edge that year since most other teams were completely gassed by the schedule.
Then there is Dre's notorious habit of playing his way into shape.
And I really enjoyed Dre’s game and was one of the people who didn’t want him to go. In spite of that you do have to question what he can do for us as a starting PG in the next season.
I mean, it’s all second guessing. If we didn’t trade Dre, and he suffered from age-related decline, and was simply gone at the end of his season because of the end of his contract, wouldn’t the FO be accused of “overvaluing” it’s trade assets once again?
And if you agree that Miller was best traded at this time, you have to wonder what better deals were out there involving nothing more than Miller and spare parts?
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by conspirator5 on Jun 24, 2011 1:16 AM PDT up reply actions
This team isn’t going to be winning any half court offense awards as built and andre was incapable of running the ball in transition.
Miller is actually an excellent transition guard. It was Nate’s system that slowed things down. Miller was instrumental in running the fast break on thosemid 2000’s Denver teams.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
Felton and Wallace
why is nobody mentioning (unless I missed it) that Felton and Wallace played together in Charlotte? Part of becoming a great NBA team is getting players who play together often, know each others tendencies, and can be effective as a team on the floor. Felton and Wallace have had the time to develop such a rapport. and I think it makes the pair of them the center of gravity on the team.
The Felton trade doesn't bother me.
It’s missing out on Faried and Hamilton. It’s getting ANOTHER guard that won’t amount to anything. It’s being a Blazer fan watch the draft since 2006.
by dbass on Jun 23, 2011 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah, i thought about that.
hopefully whatever chemistry they have will replace the chemistry that we had between miller and aldridge, rudy and aldridge, etc.
by DefenderOfPants on Jun 23, 2011 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions
You mean the chemistry
which lead to exactly 1 playoff appereance? Oh yeah, forgot about that one.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
Felton as so good with Charlotte
that they let him leave as a FA
he didn’t mesh with Larry Brown, now he gets McMillian
storm clouds on the horizon. ‘Dre and Nate only clashed once, then they had an understanding.What if Raymond hold grudges when he’s shown a little tough love?
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doom and gloom and doom and gloom
your gonna like Felton too t4l
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by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions
That's a fair concern with Raymond Felton not fitting in with Nate McMillan.
Felton does like to push it and is turnover prone when he does, so there may be some altercations.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
To add to that, though, he did play for Bernie Bickerstaff a couple of seasons before Larry ...
Brown was head coach in Charlotte. So yeah, it’ll be interesting to see how Raymond Felton fits in here.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
Wallace's disappearance in the playoffs did us in more than anything else.
If Felton activates him, this is a great deal.
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by Adam Randall on Jun 24, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
This reaffirms that we need a GM
There is a chance these guys were scouted and bring something to the table that the Blazers could use. But really, the trade just feels to me like we were taken. All those years of Pritch-slaps and this and that, well, we have been getting the other end of the stick these last couple of years. Even if these are the right guys, this can’t be considered the right deal in foresight. Hopefully the hindsight view of tonight is able to wash away the pain, but that’s a big hope.
Try not to take the above message too seriously.
Paul and Bert are the GM
they don’t tell their employees what to do, 364 days out of the year
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I'll give it a B/incomplete
I like what they did at point guard a lot. Nolan Smith should be a far better fit at backup PG than Mills or (gasp) Roy.
While I would have preferred Jameer Nelson, I think Felton is a significant upgrade over Miller… not more talented, just a better fit in terms of the pick and roll and ability to shoot outside. And to think we almost signed Turkoglu two years ago, but that turned into Miller who turned into Felton.
The incomplete grade is because I don’t think they’re done yet… they are still a little crowded at the wing spots and they need more depth in the post (crossing fingers that Freeland can come over an be an effective backup 4/5)
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by The Cactus Leaguer on Jun 23, 2011 11:30 PM PDT reply actions
I personally like felton... But very disappointed with the picks.
However, im worried unless we get an extension for felton. Also after we got the PG we needed size, we didn’t get that AT ALL…. This is a joke of a front office.
I'll withhold judgement for now.
Ben says it feels like we dealt from a position of weakness. I heard the same kinds of things during 2006 (including from Dave back on Blazer Thoughts), that we gave up too much to swap picks with Chicago for LA and swapping picks with Minny for BRoy. Chad Buchannon is a great evaluator of talent.
As far as Miller goes, it looks questionable now, but the Blazers needed to turn Miller into something before the new CBA. If the season ends up being lost, we get Miller two years older afterwards, and then what’s he worth? This was probably the best we could have got for him.
Patty Mills - PG of the future. Book it.
As far as backup PF, I think there will still be some kind of midlevel exception
which means picking up an experienced guy instead of a rookie.
Patty Mills - PG of the future. Book it.
by Blazerholic on Jun 23, 2011 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions
People forget how few takers Miller had two years ago. He was a big upgrade for the Blazers over Steve Blake
and the fans mostly loved him for it, but the league is full of guys who would have been an upgrade over Blake. I liked Miller, but in the end, he was old and an expiring contract. We tend to overvalue players and expiring contracts and Miller is no exception.
Chad Buchannon is a great evaluator of talent.
Really? His 2009-2011 track record screams otherwise
“We want to give Babbitt more time so he can develop”
we’re doomed
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What track record is that?
Dante Cunningham – played admirably as a rookie, helped get Gerald Wallace
Jeff Pendergraph – injured, cut for financial reasons
Elliot Williams – injured
Armon Johnson – serviceable as a rookie
Luke Babbitt – who was drafted after he was that is setting the world on fire? That was a crappy draft.
He also was the driving force to sign FA Wesley Matthews.
Patty Mills - PG of the future. Book it.
I think this is the first time I have strongly disagreed with Dave and the majority of BEdge
a credit to how good the analysis and thinking is on this site (so maybe that means I’m wrong, hmmmm).
Miller, Rudy, Faried, Koponen for Felton, Smith, Diebler
That’s what tonight boiled down to. I think that’s a good move.
Yes, I would have preffered Faried but how many minutes would he have averaged next year? With FAs like Landry, Martin, Davis, Hayes, Evans, Dalembert, Fesenko, Mohammed, even McRoberts or Brown I would hope the answer is zero.
Drafting a player that might get minutes at backup PG, even though it was definitely a reach, makes some sense. And he very well may have been the best prospect at PG left.
If next season rolls around and we have the same frontcourt as we do today, I’ll join y’all in saying drafting a guard in the first round was a terrible mistake. But I fully expect us to improve the depth of our frontcourt through the gluttony of decent bigs in the free agency.
And as for this day being lateral and not changing the fact that we’re still reliant on Oden and Roy, I have seen zero indication that this day could have been otherwise. And until I do, I’m considering today successful.
by wilson7117 on Jun 23, 2011 11:35 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
We seem to be in the same boat
I would have also liked Faried, but the general idea seems to be that not taking him at 21 so Denver could pick him was part of the deal. If that’s not right, then I think the pick was dumb; Faried fits a huge need.
Maybe we all got excited by the numerous fantasy trades that got us Chris Paul and the number 1 pick and forgot what a non Laker trade looks like.
It’s not a home run trade, but it Felton is a better fit and is much younger. And we didn’t trade Batum to do it either.
#52
agree.
i’m bummed about faried, but it really seems like faried was part of the deal for felton. with that assumption, i’m okay with it.
that would explain all that talk of a pick swap between pdx and den. in the end, it seems they decided to just pick in the order that they would have traded since they were one after the other – there’s no need to trade #21 for #22 and pick for each other if you have an agreement in place.
the blazers still have free agency and plenty of tradeable assets to balance the roster before next season. the draft is a great time to make some moves, but it’s not everything people!
But Felton’s contract runs but one more season, just like Miller’s did.
isn’t there a team option for 012-013?
dang, was the only thing that made this deal palatable to me.
storytellers site says:
Signed 7/12/10 for an assumed $14,560,000 for 2 years / 2012-13 is reportedly not guaranteed
and this says
The NY Post notes that there may be a third year as a team option, but that has “yet to be negotiated.”
link
if there were a team option the deal would be alright, but otherwise i’d rather have stood pat/picked faried
That's my error and I apologize if it affected you
When Felton’s deal was first reported, I thought there was a 3rd (unguaranteed) year. Turns out there wasn’t. I took it out of the numbers, but failed to edit the comments. The comments will be corrected in my next update over the weekend.
by Storyteller on Jun 24, 2011 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
and his agent will probably ask for 5/50
as a starting PG in his prime, RF won’t come cheaply like ’Dre did in ’09
Brandon’s contract has to come of the books. Portland is so lucky for the timing of the lockout. Too bad they’re fumbling away their other assets
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Then there's Batum's extension looming
Next season + Oden. If the NBA institutes a hard cap, we’re toast
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
NBA's latest proposal puts a median of 62 million in player salaries per team.
And that could be exceeded by means of the familiar exemptions we’re used to up to a certain point. Likely the Luxury tax level. Now, it is true that Portland sits over that luxury tax level.
However, the Owners have also proposed an amnesty clause for teams to use, because that former luxury tax is instead a hard cap. Roy is still the likely victim of such a clause.
If it weren’t so late tonight, I’d do the math to figure out how close we would be to something like that. Not to mention other teams. Because with a hard cap, Players salaries can only go as high as the capped demand. But I think off the top of my head, it’s a workable situation. I think Oden and Batum and Felton and Wallace could all be retained. I’m not positive, though.
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Because Roy and Camby would come off the books by the summer of 2012.
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Depends also on a reduction in salaries
Doesn’t the plan also that salaries, including existing contracts, would be cut by a certain percentage? That makes calculating where Portland would end up under a new CBA more difficult.
If all players have to take a 15% pay cut, then we have to calculate from that new salary position.
Cuts can only help.
I was assuming that there would be none.
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There's no way Raymond Felton gets that kind of a contract in free agency come 2012.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
Well, he's got the Blazers by the gonads
because he knows the team NEEDS to keep him.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
how is it any different from what the situation with Dre would have been?
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by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions
More leverage
Dre was at the end of his career, not a player who we traded pieces for.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
yes, Felton will be more valuable than Dre at their next respective contract negotiation
teams generally prefer having players in their prime
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by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
asking and getting are 2 different things
but if Ray does what all of his new fans hope he will (helps Portland advance in the post season) then he is going to get paid, by someone
whatever the going rate will be, for starting PGs after the lockout
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I can't get over the Nolan pick. Just leaves me frustrated and confused.
I am so tired of combo guards and we pick another one? His game is not even as impressive as our past combo let downs either. But the worst part is we could have taken Faried with that pick. Makes no sense at all to me. It’s hard to believe us fans would no more than the Blazer’s scouts and management, but we looked smarter when last year when we wanted Blair. Faried would have been a perfect fit off the bench in my opinion.
Dre ain't got no love for these pros
this is what you get with Nate and Paul playing GM
it was not hard to predict, just continually hard to swallow as a lifelong fan
I liked Smith as a 2nd-rounder in the 30s. If you can’t trade down and out of the 1st round to make that happen, then you don’t have any business competing against real NBA GMs on draft day
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I see this as a no-faith call for Johnson and Roy...
and am a little disappointed they gave up on Johnson so early…
Nate and Chad didn't even mention Brandon in the press conference
talk about a “see ya later”
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
they were talking about the rotation
the other players were mentioned, especially the guards
Nate’s comments after the Dallas series was the backcourt needed more athleticism…well Miller and Rudy are gone and guess who’s next?
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I'm okay with that
I’d feel just as bad watching Roy play his way into a wheelchair as a Blazer as I would parting with the superstar.
it's all up to Paul
if he thinks Roy is worth keeping and paying, then Brandon will be back
I just don’t think the coaches are counting on #7 anymore, their new “go-to guy” will be Raymond Felton
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Yeah, what Dave said.
It definitely is more of a lateral move than a forward one.
I still think the Blazers best hopes are that LA and Batum continues to improve, Batum becoming more integrated into the offense. Oden stays with the team and stays healthy and Roy finds a way to adjust his game in a contributing way while also maintaining decent health.
That’s it, but that’s not a great course of action, that’s more like hoping your wisdom tooth grows in perfectly without it having to be removed.
their best hope is a coaching change
because the owner in the draft room is not going to help the front office win the off season
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Question:
ESPN.com says that the Diebler pick may go to Detroit. Can somebody explain under that circumstances this might occur?
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by KeepItCopacetic on Jun 23, 2011 11:38 PM PDT reply actions
I like picking up Felton
But just as many others have said, WHY NOLAN SMITH??
Andre was too limited
He had no high gear to shift into. When the playoffs started and everyone needed to up their game, Andre’s stayed the same. He can’t adjust. He just plays his game well. In the playoffs, we know that’s not enough.
Andre’s game stayed the same and that’s a good thing.
by caesar on Jun 24, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Can't handle this unbelievable negativity
You guys are going to like Felton, I guarantee it.
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by sammymohawk on Jun 23, 2011 11:44 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Im cool with Felton
I’m just really down on how much of a missed opportunity this whole thing seems to be.
Lateral moves are the worst.
by cloud razor on Jun 23, 2011 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions
it's not lateral if we have him moving forward!
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by sammymohawk on Jun 23, 2011 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't that's it.
It’s not about liking or not liking Felton, it’s about a team with seemingly no direction. I know your an optimist, but read what Dave wrote and tell me that doesn’t sound like an honest and realistic analysis of this trade.
No direction?
We trade Dre for a guy who is in his prime and fits right with the age group of our core? LMA-Wes-Gerald-Nic-Felton-Roy-Oden,…all what? 22-28? Our last 4 pickups are Wes, CJ, Wallace, and Felton. I feel that we don’t have a GM, not that we lack direction.
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by sammymohawk on Jun 23, 2011 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Is Felton better than Andre?
If we’re not improving and going in circles, that isn’t really the forward direction this team needs with it’s current crop of talent.
our team is not complete!
It hasn’t been complete for years!!! I’m fine with the PG situation, now address everything else and see what we’ve got! If Dre was younger then we could roll with him longer, as it is Felton is a great younger option who’s style will likely fit better.
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by sammymohawk on Jun 23, 2011 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions
“our team is not complete! it hasn’t been complete for years!!!”
Wait, I thought you were the one arguing that we actually do have a direction.
We do
it’s been incomplete due to injuries. It’s still incomplete but the season doesn’t start tomorrow. You don’t have to be perfect to have direction. Wes, Gerald, Felton is a clear direction towards grit, defense, youth/prime, etc…
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Felton is not on Wes or Gerald's level
defensively. not even sort of close.
by cloud razor on Jun 24, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
neither of those other guys can hold Gerald’s jock when it comes to playing defense.
i keep dancing on my own.
Truth
and Felton isn’t on par with Matthews, either.
by cloud razor on Jun 24, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
that's not the point cloud
it doesn’t mean they don’t fit the profile
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Well then I think i'm missing the profile.
is it just people that hustle?
by cloud razor on Jun 24, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Length – Aldridge/Wallace/Batum/both Johnsons
Youth/Prime – Felton/Wes/LMA/Wallace/Batum/etc…
Defense+Intensity – Wallace/Batum/Matthews/Felton
you don’t have to trust me when I say that Felton will fit right in with our group of guys, but I truely believe that to be the case. We may finally see sustained synergy from our team.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Again
Not so much that I hate Felton as much as we’ve done nothing to fill the gapping hole at 4/5 but concentrated wholely on making a lateral move at PG and rushed in haste at a position which shouldnt have been a priority to change (yet). Basically, exactly what Dave said.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
We will address that hole
I don’t understand why it makes much of a difference if we do it now or closer to the season
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 23, 2011 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I also don't consider Felton lateral
because I’m operating under the assumption that he’ll be here for a few years, and will therefore be in his prime when Dre is well on the downslope. I’m plenty good with Felton as our PG.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 23, 2011 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Weve already agreed to disagree on that one
I cannot agree with this.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
clearly
but it’s gonna be funny when you like Felton after all
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 23, 2011 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Because this was the easiest way to fill a huge need.
instead, we just decided to try again later.
by cloud razor on Jun 23, 2011 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Because drafting a guy at #21 is a more reliable way to fill a need than picking up a known NBA quantity
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 23, 2011 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions
A known NBA quantity like Fabricio Oberto or Chris Johnson?
cuz we’re not going to have enough money to sign anyone better than that.
by cloud razor on Jun 23, 2011 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually, it's a concession the Owners already made in CBA negotiations.
There will be an MLE.
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NOOOOO
there are other ways. Chris Johnson known NBA quantity? He’s already on the team. OBERTO AND MARKS WERE DIFFERENT…we had Przy then, it was a whole different circumstance.
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by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions
I realize we'll be looking for different strengths in our players then in those instances.
I’m saying, we’re not going to be able to get anyone of note. Anyone with potential to be a game changer. Only someone who will be able to eat 10 minutes a game.
And I’d rather not pin my hopes on our ability to get Chuck Hayes for our back up PF.
by cloud razor on Jun 24, 2011 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions
we'll see
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Have you looked at his advanced statistics?.....Andre is better player across the board, often significantly
You will see
I’m not crazy…you’re all going to like Felton. He’s a bulldog. He plays like Wes plays. He’s better than we are giving him credit for, career stats be damned. He’s turning 27, he still hasn’t played the best ball of his career. That will happen in a Blazer jersey.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 23, 2011 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Felton was available because he peaked as a far inferior player to one Tywon Lawson.
i keep dancing on my own.
wrong wrong wrong
Lawson is younger and on a rookie scale and is Denver’s own…you gonna pay both starter money?
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by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions
okay
clearly we’ve reached a wall here…later
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions
am I?
Sorry if it feels that way, but Felton hasn’t just been cast off by former franchises. That’s what was being debated here. Circumstances led to business decisions. I believe he has found a good home here and we will experience the prime of his career.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Lol
Felton was just ‘cast off’ for Andre Miller and a pick in a weak draft! Despite being 8 years his junior. Denver is most likely keeping Miller so if thats the case, they straight up chose Miller over Felton.
God love your optimism Sammy, but man, just look at the facts!
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
Sorry if it feels that way, but Felton hasn’t just been cast off by former franchises.
This is only true if they decline Miller’s 11-12’ “option” and use the trade for cap space. If not, Felton was indeed ‘cast off’ for a 35 year old PG.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
Felton is a starter in this league
let Dre go be a back up in Denver for a year. It makes sense for both teams, doesn’t make him a cast off
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by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Your dreaming
Sure it does. I like talking in facts here sammy and not rationalizations, and the FACT is Denver just traded a 35 year old PG for the 26th pick and maybe the promise of Portland to not draft Faried. If Felton were really that valuable, he would have yielded much more.
That’s cast off territory regardless of whether you think it made sense for both teams.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
so which is it.
either denver traded felton for little value
or
portland gave up too much for felton
So now Dre doesn't have value
got it. Felton wasn’t staying behind Lawson Zeus, this makes sense for both teams.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Right
But it doesnt mean they could have:
A) kept Felton to back up Lawson this season or
B) Keptt Felton now and trade him later (trade deadline) for a better deal.
At the end of it all, they didnt really want felton. So yes, going back to your original posit:
Sorry if it feels that way, but Felton hasn’t just been cast off by former franchises.
This is patently untrue.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
wrong again
and you made my case for me
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
How so?
All I did is prove Denver was happy to get rid of Felton for a relatively minor cost. So yeah, he was cast off unlike what you said. RE: read the blockquote.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
and we are happy to get rid of Dre
and his age for a PG entering their prime. Felton = more value to us. Dre = more value to Denver. It ain’t rocket science, they’ve got Lawson, we’ve got Patty and Armon.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
*Sigh*
I’m resigned to the fact that you just don’t get certain things.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
the feeling is mutual hombre
you’re selling Dre as both uber valuable and not valuable at the same time.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Sigh
Man, my head is going to explode if I read any more of these your oxymoronic comments.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
tell me about it
you seem to think that value doesn’t change depending on each team’s respective perspective
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Wes. Crash. Ray. That's the core of an identity. Blazers have been looking for one.
by Hall of Game on Jun 24, 2011 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, LMA, too. But, I was thinking of grind it out, in the trenches, kind of players.
More like Nate. Not a bad thing. If we win, we are going to win like the Spurs. Plus, Felton has fire. Blazers need that, too.
by Hall of Game on Jun 24, 2011 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Haha
Career stats be damned. Ok, so you’re saying he’s really good despite 6 years of evidence telling us he’s average. Umm yeah, ok.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
why don't you look at the last couple years instead of grouping in his first couple
to maybe get a more accurate idea of what we’re getting. He’s better than you think
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions
I do
I know exactly what were getting here. felton is who he is, and once he got traded to Denver, he reverted back to a 14.7 PER and had a horrible playoffs.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
We will see
you will like him. I will point to my endorsement of this trade in the middle of our next few seasons and say “see? aren’t you glad we have this guy and not 37-38-39 year old Dre, who will be playing backup somewhere?”
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Dre got a good Turkey connection?
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
you're gonna like green eggs and ham
try them, try them Sam-I-am!
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
exactly!
haha
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Ive seen Felton play on dozens of occassions
Im not blind to what he is. Its pretty clear. There’s nothing to discover here in time. We got an average PG – nothing less, nothing more. Again, Im more peeved about the opportunity costs and our direction than I actually am about Felton.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
well why don't we see how the roster turns out
before crapping on the use of our opportunities
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions
i know, right?
we got a pgotf.
i think people are upset because they didn’t pick up their favorite (paul, harris, curry, etc) and now it’s one less thing to talk about.
guess what, the blazers can go into the rest of the offseason not worrying about a pgotf! now they just need to address frontcourt depth and have another go in 2011-2012.
Nope
People are upset because we got an average PG who is a lateral move without addressing other needs. Thats exactly why people are upset. They dont like the direction the FO has taken them. Nothing less, nothing more.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
like i said, people are upset because they didn't pick their favorite pgotf.
fact is, they addressed the need. whether you like the guy they got or not, he fits the bill and should be a good fit on the roster. people have been pining for the team to move andre for a younger point guard for a couple of years now. they did that – and this is what that sort of move looks like if you want to hang on to your core.
felton will be a great assett all season long – allowing the blazers to move him for someone else if it’s not working out.
Like I said
They’re are no upset for the reason you state, but rather, they’re upset because most people dont view Felton as PGOTF material. We know Felton is an average PG. Furthermore, if we really wanted Felton, we could have waited until FA next year where we could have made run for him and improved the team through the draft NOW. Felton WILL NOT be better than Miller next year, so we could have waited for FA and drafted Faried and Hamilton.
Felton is an average PG and is an average asset.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
people equalling you specifically
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
if he's as good as miller and he'll be here in the future...
how is he not pgotf material?
starting this next year
Felton is as good as Miller. Every year after that he is better.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
17.9 PER vs. 16.7 PER for last year.
and felton’s was brought down by a midseason trade – i bet if he stayed in nyc, he would have been equal to or greater than miller.
since one player is on the upswing and the other is on the downswing, you would project PER for next year of Felton >= Miller.
Felton’s PER while in Dantoni’s system is totally out of whack with his career numbers. In non-Dantoni play, he has never been above 16.
i keep dancing on my own.
until now
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
and I'm very serious about that
very serious!!
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
haha ok
I don’t think he’ll improve. We can do an avatar bet if you want. If his PER > 17, you can dictate mine.
i keep dancing on my own.
17?
What happened to 16? I just think everyone hating on Felton is gonna be a big fan of this deal when it’s looked back on.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
I’m building myself some cushion ;). I think 15.7 is about where he’ll end up.
i keep dancing on my own.
I'll do an avatar bet that
when I post a fanpost with a poll in it in the future, the majority of people will be happy we made this deal when looked back on…I am extremely confident of that, regardless of what Felton’s PER ends up being
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
if you can point to me a trend of dantoni players having higher per, then okay
otherwise, it’s just circumstatial. isn’t per pace adjusted anyway?
As far as combo guards go, Nolan Smith is no Jerryd Bayless.
And that’s how absolutely stupid that pick was. At least there wasn’t a poor man’s Rodman on the board right? So frustrating.
Dre ain't got no love for these pros
Bayless was my least favorite player of recent times
and I have heard nothing but good things about Smith.
Bayless was the much more talented player out of college.
And we saw how that worked out. I didn’t like Bayless at all either and that’s my point. Combo guards rarely work out and Smith isn’t close to good enough to make it work.
Dre ain't got no love for these pros
He was more athletic. If he could only finish at the rim...
by Hall of Game on Jun 23, 2011 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Very true, only seemed to focus on getting there, but not finishing.
I just remember ESPN was calling Bayless a steal at the 11th pick and their calling Smith a reach at the 21st pick. Not a good sign.
Dre ain't got no love for these pros
Get ready for more of that with Smith. His assist to turnover ratio is horrible.
Dre ain't got no love for these pros
Same here, panfolk.
I hated Jerryd Bayless.
Although Bayless admittedly produces in some categories, I can’t stand watching me-first gunners like him — or Louis Williams — who hog the ball, pound the rock, put their head down, and drive recklessly to the hoop.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
Nolan Smith is a million times more steady than Jerryd Bayless, as well as plays under more control.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
Absolutely
Still a combo guard, but more in the Jason Terry range than the Jerryd Bayless range
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Jun 24, 2011 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Genuinely happy to hear!
I am guessing his much decried ATO rate is due to his number of possessions?
To Nolan Smith's credit, he had a better assist rate and lower turnover rate than Kyrie Irving.
http://kenpom.com/team.php?team=Duke
But yeah, his high possession usage had a lot to do with his somewhat high turnover numbers.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
Nolan Smith is our PGOTF
I was stunned that the Blazers didn’t go with Faried with the 21st pick. But to put a positive spin on the Nolan Smith move here’s my take. He’s not a pure point guard but a scoring guard that can run an offense. Remember in the playoffs when had those scoring droughts? We need someone at the PG position who is not afraid to take the big shots and Smith provides that coming from a big time college program. He has the athleticism and aggressiveness to go to the basket and has a decent range plus he looks NBA ready compared to AJ and EW. I watched some of his highlights on youtube and I’m actually impressed. I think if he focuses on playing point he’ll find success at this level. The Blazers are a pretty good rebounding team any way so no glaring need for Faried, plus his offense is not as impressive so I think I can understand why Buchanan said that Nolan is a notch ahead of Faried.
Disagree this was a "Sideways" move...
Felton is an upgrade over Miller…age, quickness, outside shooting…did not have to give up much to get him either. If it doesn’t work…sign and trade and move on.
Picking Smith may or may not work out…Faried was a one dimensional player…they can sign Pendy for that…
Maybe lets think positive and see what happens.
Faried = Trenton Hassell
Faried was such a lock to become a blazer that it felt like he had the Portland jersey on before we even got him.
by JMLakaShotCaller on Jun 23, 2011 11:55 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Felton had All-Star talk in NY
We all hated the Miller signing, when it happened. We’ll start rooting for Felton as the games start.
My last thought on Miller. What does it say about a starting PG when you want him playing in the last minute if your team is up by 4. But, you want him on the bench is your team is down by 4?
The Nolan Smith pick. I don’t get. Kenneth Faried seemed like the pick.
Anyone hear if Jeff Pendergraph is part of the Blazer’s plan. I’d like him back.
The fact it was NY scares me. Everyone looks good offensive under that coach.
His numbers were much worse when he came to Denver and pretty much everywhere else he’s been. His FG% pretty scary to me, but we’ll see.
Dre ain't got no love for these pros
I agree.
But, those are bright lights in NY. I think he’s a fighter. This team needs that.
by Hall of Game on Jun 24, 2011 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions
He was playing with Denver's second unit,
which was pretty much like trying to steer a headless chicken into a barn.
His stats aren’t easy to untangle.
Watching the dude—I like the way he goes about it. I think he’s a better shooter than his career numbers indicate too.
/s
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Jun 24, 2011 2:03 AM PDT up reply actions
honestly....
first off I don’t get why everyone is so enthused about Faried. Fans are forgetting a couple of things; blazers don’t play rookies. and anyone outside the top 20 in the first round are not going to make a difference overall. if they even leave the bench (or make the team if over draft spot 34).
As for Nolan Smith he is a solid player which probably won’[t take the development years that a brandon knight or someone else might take. he might be able to contribute right away.
Felton is a solid player and statistically is the same as miller, plus younger.
Our team record went down each year since Andre Miller joined us. we need a pass first point guard and someone who can play different styles of basketball (which sometimes Nate throws in between 1st and 2nd unites). Miller was one style (slow) and couldn’t adapt to any other type of play (which is why Roy didn’t play well with him).
personally i would have thrown in batum (who will come off the bench for us) in any blockbuster deal that would have landed us an elite PG.
Now we need some depth at PF/C.
ok
this is all wrong. i just don’t have the heart to take it on.
by cloud razor on Jun 24, 2011 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Blazers have played rookies - Faried would have met a need - come in, grap some
rebounds, play hard – force some turnovers and give LeMarcus some rest – he would have filled this need.
and andrea was anything but a one dimensional, score first point guard. are you kidding me?
by cloud razor on Jun 24, 2011 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions
I liked watching Andre play his game.
But, you almost had to build the team around him as the primary ball handler. He’s not good enough to lead a team like that.
I wish Roy’s knees were good. Then, we’d be great.
by Hall of Game on Jun 24, 2011 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Felton and Roy
now there’s a pushmepullyou backcourt
but Brandon’s knees are not going to be good, at least not good enough to play NBA ball 7-8 months out of a calendar year for the next 4 seasons
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Portland plays good rookies
LMA, Roy, Batum
they just don’t draft many of them
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
word
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
I know a lot of people are very disappointed tonight.
But for as down as I’ve been about the team (especially for a self admitted blind homer), I’m walking out of tonight feeling better about the team than I have in a while. Felton will be okay. I don’t see a problem resigning him when his contract is up (especially with the latest proposal from the owners). I think he’ll work.
I’m okay with Smith. I would have preferred Faried, but I think Smith will be alright. He is the most qualified backup PG we’ve drafted in quite a while. I don’t expect that he’ll ever be much more than that, but he is what we need.
We didn’t address the big situation in the draft. But the lockout has to end at some point. And trades can always be made after the lockout as well. There will be an MLE type exception around (right from Stern’s mouth), and there are some bigs that look interesting with it. I know Chandler, Dalembert and Nene will be out of MLE range. But Reggie Evans, Chuck Hayes, Kyrylo Fesenko or maybe even Kris Humphries are targets in that price range. One of those players plugs our front court hole reasonably well at the price range. Two would be nice, but even one is a help.
I came out of the season expecting that anyone could be gone. And I’m glad they’re not. But I had this weird non-attachment thing going on. Because I knew something had to be done. And tonight was just the first step in getting there. But I’m feeling better already.
Like it or not, Felton and Smith are now Blazers. And because they are, I’m going to cheer for them with all I’ve got. I hope, once the frustration level cools down, others will as well.
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by T Darkstar on Jun 23, 2011 11:59 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
I cheer for all the bad draft choices, when they're on the floor
I just blow raspberries at the owner and front office for settling for pyrite instead of mining for gold
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
do you have no hope for Nolan?
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
I hope he's a better reserve PG than Danny Young was
but he’s got a few tough trends to overcome in Portland
playing for Nate
and being the first Blazer-drafted PG to amount to much since Terry Porter (Alvin Williams did OK with Toronto)
Good luck Nolan, you’re gonna need it
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
The Draft Express Top 100 players
Has Smith at 21. But it had Faried at 19.
Smith is a leader which is something we have missed here. He is also reigning ACC player of the year (in an down ACC year).
We don't need leaders, we need basketball players
by cloud razor on Jun 24, 2011 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions
are you kidding?
go watch his mix in the Fanshots…don’t act like he can’t ball
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by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Leaders are okay - so are talented players who fit a need - Faried seemed to make too
much sense to not be selected – if they agreed to not take him in order to make the deal with Denver then the Blazers got fleeced. I couldn’t believe he was still sitting there at n.21 and we didn’t select him. If it’s true, maybe that’s why the initial rumor was that Portland and Denver would switch picks as part of the deal – because they knew Faried was a good fit in Portland and they wanted him – in the end they may have just got the Blazers to agree not to take him – if true – they were taken – in either case I think the team goes away from this with egg on their face. We don’t know the future and how players will turn out, but right now the team seemed to act out of desperation and were taken for a ride by Nuggets.
I want 'em both,
which might have been done if that was the focus rather than force an Andre tradel, which could have waited.
How tall is Paul Allen?
I think it’s time to address the possibility that he simply doesn’t like to employ tall people. Camby and Oden are OK because they’re usually sitting or lying down. LMA, Chris Johnson and GW are unavoidable because without them you simply don’t have a basketball team, but when there is a smidgeon of choice he goes for a waterbug over a rebounder; a Mills over Blair, a Nolan Smith over Faried. Maybe it’s not enough to have more money; once in a while he’s gotta be taller, too. That’s my two baht’s worth.
by thaisteve on Jun 24, 2011 12:05 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Dissapointing...Why make the Miller trade at all?
Just keep Miller and pick Jo juan Johnson, or Faried, at PF/C at 21
Trade Rudy directly to Dallas for #26 and get Smith . Leave Denver out of it.
That would be far better than the trade we made.
by blazerbill on Jun 24, 2011 12:05 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I think they could have moved down to the 30s and still drafted Nolan
just like they could have drafted Wesley Matthews at 55 in 2009 instad of Patty and made that June a huge success
Paul Allen in the draft room = reaching for PGs, it’s a yearly rite of spring
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Iman Shumpert went 17
we have no idea if Nolan would have been available in the 2nd round…and for someone who didn’t want us to add a bunch of rookies, you sure have a funny reaction to us targeting one guy we liked and getting him
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
this year was OK in that regard
at least the Blazers didn’t buy another draft pick in this weak class, as was rumored pre-draft
Smith and Deiner (or whatever his name is) add up to only 2 rooks acquired, that’s an improvement from selecting 3 and 4 in 2010/2009
Everyone across the NBA is saying that Nolan was a reach. Since he was drafted 21 I’m on fairly safe ground to claim he would’ve still been there in the 30s. A savvy GM would have positioned the Blazers in that area and selected him; they could have picked “their man” and signed him to a non-guaranteed contract
Similar faux pas re: Matthews vs. Mills, in 2009
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
I seem to remember
that during the season especially when Camby went down we were in dire need of bigs. I kind of thought they would use this draft and maybe some trades to get bigger. Now I see a roster with half the team being guards (not counting Batum). I must be dense but all I can say is HUH? Hopefully T Darkstar is right and it will be addressed later. If there is no lockout or a shortened season, I just wonder if we even make the playoffs with this unbalanced team.
We get younger with a very solid PG and keep Batum
how terrible…what a disaster…no, stop, really…
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
More than anything
I just want someone to recognize that this was a missed opportunity to dramatically improve, and we stayed the same. Now staying the same was good, as we took the eventual champs as far as anyone, but we could’ve done better. Thats all. I’m sure Felton will be a nice piece and maybe nolan smith will turn out to be a contributor, but we didn’t capitalize on Andre Miller’s contract situation or draft better players that were available. Thats where I’m standing.
So where's the opportunity?
Keeping Miller? Drafting Faried instead of Smith? For me to recognize it, it has to be there.
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Bledsoe
Clips had a Batum CRUSH and someothing could have been done there I believe. Bledsoe has huge potential and would be on the rookie scale for another 3 years, allowing us the ability to sign an actual relevant FA. Something along those lines. If it wasnt there now, there was no need to panic. Miller was 17.8 PER player and while not perfect, is better statistically then Felton. That was the angle.
All the while, we could have actuallyacquired Faried and helped our outside shooting by trading Fernandez for Hamilton straight up.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
by zeusmith on Jun 24, 2011 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ok long night
g’night
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
I'll take Felton and Batum over Bledsoe
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Ill easily take
Bledsoe (huge upside PGOTF) + Big (another good player) + CAPSPACE (to sign a relevant FA) over Felton any day. If we couldnt win with Miller, we definitely wont win with Felton.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
not equivalent scenarios
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
You're right
Unfortunately, we should have taken the bold one instead of the one we took. Now we’re left with 3 looming big contract resigns (Oden, Felton & Batum) next year with no cap space left. Brilliant.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
We'll see how it all works out won't we?
but you don’t know ANYTHING that our Front Office wasn’t well aware of
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
I do know
That this move was a backbreaker for our so called ‘window’. We needed bold action and we got Felton. We’re boxed in now.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
Dre Miller
was the key to holding the window open?
"I told him, ‘We will get through this, then shock the world.’ He got a kick out of that,'' Miller said. "We will get through this and shock the world ...''
Nope
Making a bolder move other than Felton was and addressing more pressing needs was.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
We still have Batum and Camby
more deals can happen.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Our window?
This hurts our window? By trading a 35 yr old and Rudy for a 26 year old very solid PG? What???
Seriously, you don’t know anything (and neither do I) that our FO didn’t. Let’s stop pretending to be the smartest guy in the room.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Again
Dont confuse the issue. Having Dre/Faried/Smith or Hamilton was MUCH better than having Felton for 1 year rental heading into Free Agency. Absolutely.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
not a one year rental
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
you dont know that
Honestly, you dont have the slightest clue.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
Unless you're Felton himself
And no what the next CBA will look like AND know what the other 29 teams will offer Felton at the time of his Free Agency, there’s no way you can make that statement. All we’ve done is make it a bit more likely he might resig with Portland since we’ve acquired him.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
oh, and you have a clue?
I don’t expect him to be here one year…if he is, maybe I change my tune on the deal a little. Either way I am just fine with Felton.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Yeah
My clue is Unrestricted Free Agents LEAVE THEIR CLUBS ALL THE TIME. Your evidence besides the simple statement:
not a one year rental
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
I don't need evidence
it’s what’s going to happen : )
and if it doesn’t? Well you get your wish and we continue chasing the purple dragon magic unicorn PG you want.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
that's a really weird conclusion.
take a step back and think about that one for a minute.
Fair enough. This:
First would be the whiff on the BIG MOVE™. We ended up with a point guard who is almost exactly the league average, statistically. That could look like anyone from the realistic to the ridiculous – Steve Nash, Tony Parker, Jameer Nelson, Eric Bledsoe or (apparently) Rajon Rondo. In this league, you always change four quarters for a dollar. Every time, right? well by taking felton, at BEST, we just decided to re-up with the stuff that wasn’t winning us championships this year, thank you.
We don’t have Andre’s expiring contract to move anymore, which wasn’t on the level of the RLEC, but was still pretty substantial. So we don’t have money to package with Nic Batum to land someone legitimately talented that could make the difference for this team.
Now the draft: We also picked a 4 year Duke combo guard with decent skills but a fairly low ceiling. Average athleticism, average vision, average shooting. Average. Another Raymond Felton, if you will. Before today, I didn’t want Felton, and now I have two and less maneuverability.
But thats all fine if Smith was the best fit, or best available, or the best option in ANY single, given perspective. But I can’t think of one. Mostly because he certainly would have been available at 26, which we ended up having access to.
So we passed on some incredible potential that would have filled very evident needs. Rebounding. Toughness. Work Ethic. or in Hamilton’s case, star potential.
So lets pretend that Felton is better than average, on Andre Miller’s level – even. That means today we traded Petteri Koponen and Rudy Fernandez to SIMPLY KEEP THE SAME POINT GUARD WE’D ALREADY FREAKING HAVE. Now, I don’t particularly care of either of them, but that is a terrible use of assets. Sending them off just to make them go away and start on title contenders.
So I feel like today we worked really hard to make our last few opportunities to quickly improve the team disappear. I like Andre, so I’ll probably like Felton. But I don’t love him. And this needs someone else worth loving to win a championship. But adding that piece just got a lot farther away.
by cloud razor on Jun 24, 2011 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions
It takes two to trade.
Nash was never in play. The Spurs used us in the media to gauge George Hill’s trade value with Indiana. All media reports (at least those an hour after the rumor surfaced) denied that Nelson was ever available. Rajon Rondo is the best young talent Boston has. I highly doubt he was ever available for much less than one of Miami’s big three.
Bledsoe could have been a possibility. But I don’t get how he’s much different than Felton. Maybe more potential there. But we would have had to sacrifice potential for potential in Batum. A more costly trade for a bigger question mark.
Now, we do still have Camby’s contract to pair with Batum if the right offer comes along. And yes, Camby is our only starting Center at the moment. But Camby is certainly not our answer there. A trade to fill that hole may be worth pursuing still.
I too would have preferred Faried over Smith. But I don’t think the difference is going to end up that big. Maybe I’m wrong. Faried does fill a hole. But so does Smith, in backup PG. He’ll never be more than that, but he is someone who can be plugged in there reliably. A 4 year Duke tenure has that advantage. And the other hole can be filled via free agency.
I don’t begrudge the cost of getting Felton. It cost Rudy and Miller. And sure, we could have gotten an extra draft pick out of it, but we would still have zero long term solutions at starting PG. Now we have one. Not the best one out there. But a whole lot more than we had for the future. All the while not giving up a ton for the present, especially if they’re the same point guard as you say.
It’s certainly not a spectacular move. It may even be a lateral move for 2012. But I think it’s a solid move for the franchise in the long run. And solid moves are far better than flashy moves in the long run.
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Bledsoe could have been a possibility. But I don’t get how he’s much different than Felton. Maybe more potential there. But we would have had to sacrifice potential for potential in Batum. A more costly trade for a bigger question mark.
Bledsoe is a freak athlete with much bigger upside who is on the rookie pay scale for another 3 years. You win championships by taking a chance on certain players in key positions not trade for average PG’s. This move accomplishes nothing. If we wanted Felton so much, why not wait until Free Agency in 2012-2013? If Andre Miller vs. Felton is a lateral move for next year, which by all accounts in exactly the case (at best), why not wait until Free Agency next year to make a run at him while he’s cheaper because he’s in a reserve role in Denver??
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
Newsflash Zeus
Felton still has upside
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
although I can't speak to your desired order of operations
except to say that we must see some advantage to doing this prior to the new CBA
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Newsflash
Felton does not have upside. He reverted right back to 14.7 PER after the Denver trader, and had a terrible playoffs. There’s no upside here. Felton is who he is. He’s not some sort of explosive athlete so no, what you see is what you get: average.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
Go ahead to continue to hope Felton is better than he is
I’ll go ahead and stick with actual facts. End of this conversation: agree to disagree on Felton’s upside and worth.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
you're gonna change your tune on Felton
I promise you that…when you look back on this deal you will be glad it went down.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
No I wont
The only thing thats going to happen is that it will become increasingly clear we shouldnt have made this trade over time. You promise the exact opposite of what will happen LOL
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
It will become increasingly clear
That we should have made alternative bold action and drafted Faried
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
"Alternative bold action"
and lose Batum in the process. I’ll bet you that your tune changes on this trade.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes
Losing Batum would be a reuqirement of bold action unfortunately. Yes.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
which can still happen
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
don't worry
any team that has to start Rudy or Petteri won’t be contending for a title.
"I told him, ‘We will get through this, then shock the world.’ He got a kick out of that,'' Miller said. "We will get through this and shock the world ...''
by abdelnaby on Jun 24, 2011 12:56 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Ironically, Dallas has mentioned that Rudy could start for them.
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They can get away with it.
Will probably reserve minutes anyway (18-20), like Stevenson, Beaubois and Peja do when they start.
I imagine
or hope, for Dallas’s sake, that they’re just saying that to make Rudy happy. If Rudy is starting over Roddy Buckets then something has gone wrong in Dallas. They don’t need Beaubois to be a gunner off the bench—that’s what the Jet is for. And if they wanted to start a defensive SG, they’d stick with Stevenson.
Barring an unexpected turnaround (or inexplicably-postponed LASIK surgery), Rudy will be lucky to see as much court time in Dallas as he got in Portland. But whatever, he’s someone else’s problem now.
"I told him, ‘We will get through this, then shock the world.’ He got a kick out of that,'' Miller said. "We will get through this and shock the world ...''
Peja-lite?
Peja was worthless in the finals and I suspect Rudy will take his roster spot. And shocking as it is to say, Rudy plays better D.
it's not that shocking
Peja was pretty awful on D in his athletic prime, and he’s far from that now.
Don’t get me wrong, I think it was a smart move for Dallas—it was a cheap trade to add some youth. And I think Rudy has a chance to play some meaningful minutes off the bench on a good team. I just think that the idea of Rudy Fernandez, Starting SG on the 2012 Championship Team, is pretty laughable.
"I told him, ‘We will get through this, then shock the world.’ He got a kick out of that,'' Miller said. "We will get through this and shock the world ...''
This should really be the test
for the hypothesis that McMillan made bad players better ala the likes of Webster, Outlaw, Blake and Bayless. If Fernandez takes in Dallas under that coach that hypothesis will never be upgraded to theory.
may score an Incomplete on this test yet again
My gut feeling is that Rudy goes back to Europe once his rookie contract is up.
"I told him, ‘We will get through this, then shock the world.’ He got a kick out of that,'' Miller said. "We will get through this and shock the world ...''
disappointed that we missed out on john salmons or stephen jackson?
fact is that no all-stars, let alone superstars were moved on draft night.
J. Freeland and V. Claver
Obviously we lack front court depth, and we drafted and traded for none, is it possible that FO is bringing these two guys over? Last I heard they are doing pretty well overseas?
Wooooooo! Pick and roll. Nate said the magic words.
Who is going to have the best PF in the league? We will.
Cheer up, you sad sacks.
/s
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Jun 24, 2011 12:23 AM PDT via mobile reply actions 3 recs
amen brutha
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions
That's a huge problem, yes.
Nate McMillan is a notoriously bad pick-and-roll coach, too, which is another issue.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
I believe Lamarcus has the skills
to do anything. Especially when he has no other choice. Dude wants to win. I really believe it. If the Blazers can learn to lob they can learn to set a damn pick.
/s
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Jun 24, 2011 12:52 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes, the Blazers seem to be allergic to pick and rolls
on offense and on defense
It’s sad that the most basic play in basketball is executed so poorly by this team.
#52
What's the word on Diebler?
His shooting stats at the combine, as reported by DraftExpress, were exceptional for where we ended up drafting him. Could he have potential?
Steve Kerr was a shorter off guard, while Jon Diebler is an average-sized swingman.
Players who fit the Diebler mold include Jodie Meeks, Kyle Korver, Anthony Morrow, and Matt Carroll.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
Such a player can be pretty useful when subbed in at the right times.
Get him in and get him out.
ignacio
In a highlight of Smith, I saw him put up the three goggles after hitting from the outside...
Maybe he and Matthews will keep it going – but it likely won’t be the same
This draft night makes me sad
especially since we did NOTHING to address the back-up PF / rebounding issue and we easily could have.
put a body on 'em
the off season is long from over....
Faried would have been nice but Nolan improves another need for us at back-up pg.
I just now am able to get on BE to share my thoughts..
because i was palm to face all night…
Terrible. Draft.
Buchanan SHOULD be fired, and i wouldnt even be mad.
1.Are you kidding me? i like Felton, but for miller, rudy, 26 and 51? NO. thats garbage.
2. Nolan Smith. Great kid, Great personality, not what we need, watched highlight reels, ceiling? Darren Collison. Floor? Another PG on our bench.
3. How the bleep did we pass up on Faried and let Denver get him?
What a joke
Crossing my fingers that more is to come.
"Tommy: Did you hear I finally graduated?
Richard Hayden: Yeah, and just a shade under a decade too. All right. "
to be clear
We did not trade Rudy and the 26th pick. Rudy was traded for the pick, therefore at no time did we hold both assets. Also, we kept the 51st pick, thank Diebler. So the trade was essentially Miller and Rudy (and Petteri, which is like the NBA equivalent of free ketchup with your combo meal) for Felton.
So half of point one is gone! That should make the trade half as bad for you. Or, to think positively, twice as good!
"I told him, ‘We will get through this, then shock the world.’ He got a kick out of that,'' Miller said. "We will get through this and shock the world ...''
Right
but essentially traded the 26 and rudy. at one point we had rudy, and at one point we had the 26. and we GAVE them both away. lol. horrible. oh we kept 51? i thought we kept 56? either way. still horrible. Diebler will have no court time.
"Tommy: Did you hear I finally graduated?
Richard Hayden: Yeah, and just a shade under a decade too. All right. "
I really doubt Buchanan was 'in charge'....
I expect he is distinctly subservient to Allen/Nate ‘wisdom’….
There's always a sense of ambivalence that accompanies trades.
I’m sad to see Miller go, but I’m excited to see where Felton takes us. I’m not particularly pleased with transaction. Why ship Rudy out merely for a pick? They must have been really unhappy with his performance. Maybe it had to do with playing time knowing he was going to be sitting on the bench so much he might as well be the towel boy. These kids are certain to be tested and one of them is going to have to step up as a reserve.
Most guys block shots with their fingertips. Wallace was blocking them with his armpit.
by ODEN on a stick on Jun 24, 2011 1:47 AM PDT reply actions
Yeah it's not exciting...
,and maybe not being exciting is disappointing, but I didn’t have wild expectations for this draft (nobody really did right? Weakest draft in a while?) And yeah Faried would have been awesome to have on the team, just for his personality and hair alone, but it seems unlikely he will be rebounding like he did in college so what he really brings is committed hustle.
But if you are gambling on Oden coming back and playing reasonable minutes for a full season – and if we make him an offer then you have to assume this right? – then addressing the PG problem first makes the most sense. Granted that is a huge assumption to make about Oden but it seems like we’re probably going to make it (almost have to make it) so might as well work from there. I love Andre and Patty on the team – those two probably contributed most of my favorite moments from last season – but I’m okay with all this for the now, and Rudy will be happier somewhere else (or he will complain somewhere else until he gets to go back to Spain.)
Really the biggest problem, as sad as it is to say, is BRoy’s contract – so maybe this helps make some space for him to play more effective limited minutes. If that means a few more 4th quarter playoff (finals????) comebacks then I’m in. And Felton seems solid, he’s played with Wallace in the past which counts for something, and Aldridge seems to get along with every one. So now we just have wait for Oden to come out to play.
This wasn't "The Big Move" or a swing for the fences.
Batum is still a Blazer.
Blazers traded a good veteran starter who’s age is starting to become a serious issue, and a role player (who was not performing his role) for a younger starter who fits this roster a little better.
I’m more worried about the Blazers not having legit NBA back-up center. We’re still looking at Oden as the only true center on the roster. LaMarcus/Marcus are PFs. Never were Cs.
Nuggets Fan Here!
I am not trying to gloat, but we definitely won in this draft. I came to this blog in order to see how you guys felt about this trade, because here in Denver, we are praising Ujiri and the Nuggets’ front office as a great group of wheelers and dealers.
Anyway, Felton is a great guard, and if he was okay with coming off the bench and playing in crunch time, I would prefer him over Andre any day. He is an above average defender and his will helped us win over the Lakers in LA and the Spurts at home. You guys have a tough, gritty, professional point guard.
You won the point guard portion of the trade, but getting Faried and Hamilton is so, so sweet. I hope you guys can handle a starting line up of: Lawson, AAA, Gallo, Nene, Mozgov with Faried, Hamilton, Smith/Chandler (hopefully), and Miller off the bench.
Cheers guys!
"I am te real mozgov. Stopp say I fake fans"
Classy Move. Thanks for stopping in. Bye.
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by SELFDESTRUCTABLE on Jun 24, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Post draft comments from mi millan and buchanan interesting
Especially what nate says :
If you look at raymond, wesley, wallace, lamarcus.. our core.. that’s a pretty good core for the future. And these guys are around the same age, they are pretty much in their prime. You look at that group of players [and] that is a good group to go with for the next few years.
Nothing about oden, roy, batum. I know that it can be meaningless in such a situation, yeti find it ‘funny’. Welcome to Lamarcus’s team.
We just SCREWED UP AGIAN!
WE SHOULD HAVE PICKED FARIED! WE SCREWED UP AGAIN!
"Im ready for a fight..." -Joel Przybilla
by KillaPrzydollaBILLA on Jun 24, 2011 5:29 AM PDT reply actions
At first I was upset at not taking Faried
but a quick look at free agent post players made me fell a little better. In no particular order and hardly a complete list but Sheldon Williams, Carl Landry, Reggie Evans, Josh McRoberts, Kenyon Martin, Kris Humphries, Ronnie Turiaf , I think PDX should be able to find a solid back up in free agency.
Red means run, son, numbers add up to nothin
Another laugher..............
The good news is next year we’ll be in the lottery…….and then watch out. It looks like somebody needed to do something so they did. I’m glad for Rudy and Dre……..they’ll both do well ……..feel bad for Nic……he deserves to be freed from this zoo. At sea in a drift boat-go blazers……………
We must endeavor to persevere.
by Supercourse on Jun 24, 2011 6:36 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
We will not be in the lottery next year
because we traded Dre and Rudy for Felton? Because we drafted Smith over Faried? We won’t be nearly as bad as people are thinking.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
youre right
we should enjoy our wallow in mediocrity. More 45-55 win seasons and first round losses please..
48 Wins would be just fine
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 24, 2011 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't plan on wallowing in mediocrity either
Felton-Matthews-Wallace-Batum-Lamarcus-Roy-Oden
What a terrible young core…let us wallow in our incompetence
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
I think there is a fair chance we are in the lottery next year. We certainly didn’t pass anybody with these moves, and Memphis will probably move ahead of us. Houston was a playoff team last year by SRS, so they could shoot up. That puts us 8th potentially, but all it takes is some young hot team to knock us out (or Chris Paul to do it singlehandedly).
i keep dancing on my own.
I think you're all going to be very pleasantly surprised
what a team of Felton-Matthews-Wallace-Batum-Aldridge looks like on the court together. I believe we are absolutely a playoff team, you won’t convince me otherwise.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
I’d say there’s probably a 60% chance of making the playoffs. Like I said though, we certainly didn’t gain on Memphis, OKC or Denver.
i keep dancing on my own.
Maybe, maybe not
Wallace was not assimilated into the offense last year. Blazers didn’t know where to get him the ball, where he would be, and vice versa. We will see improvement there for sure.
Also, the 5 will be addressed before the start of the season and I think people will be more comfortable with this team when we see the final product to hit the floor in 11-12.
We can disagree
I think your % will go up when we start playing games…Denver is young and talented, we are largely in our prime now and talented (Aldridge-Felton-Wallace)
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
well, they were the same young and talented last year and were better than the Blazers by a fair margin. Unless Nene goes, then obviously we pass them.
i keep dancing on my own.
our biggest issue is still health
we haven’t had a true frontcourt rotation since ‘08. That shouldn’t be ignored. (and it won’t be by the FO)
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
yeah, chuck hayes or somesuch would be nice. We probably need to add two serviceable larger bodies.
i keep dancing on my own.
Everyone wanted us to make a move to get the guy to "take us there"
it just doesn’t work that way. We got a really solid young PG for Dre and Rudy. I’ve got no issue with that. We keep Nic Batum. That’s great, we can use him for any number of things (like a center! or to play basketball!)
We drafted Smith over Faried, obviously people don’t like it, but if Smith is the next Collison like AK thinks then it’s an amazing selection
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
I was never that high
on Faried coming to Portland mainly due to his lack of offensive skills and for his sake he is probably WAY better off in Denver. I do think he may end up having a great career. I have no idea about Nolan Smith but I share your hope that he is everything AK has touted him to be and more. My biggest issue right now is ’Where’s the Bigs?’ I hope they have a plan!!
It's a very fair concern
but I know that the FO is aware of it and will not go into next year with our current roster as is
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
that's actually not true at all
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Well thats kind of funny
Cause you keep saying Felton will do really well here when we’ve proven he’s average. Not only that, he’s been pretty terrible in 2 playoff series, so it leaves a lot of us grasping what it is about Felton that will make him "do really well here’ in Nate’s slow-down system? Surely you’re not suggesting a 41.3% career FG % is going to significantly open up the floor for LMA are you? Just because he’s a better long range shooter than Miller doesnt necessairly mean the floor suddenly will open up for a mediocre shooter. But Im guessing you knew that.
Then what is it? Why makes you deny history?
Ok, mini rant over. Last I talk about this before moving on.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
How was Chauncey Billups before he went to Detroit?
Would you like to assess how average he was? I have an opinion about what Felton will be here. You don’t agree with it. It doesn’t mean I can’t be convinced of stuff, it just means I am not backing down from my opinion that Felton will be a very good fit and a good player for us.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Billups alrady started turning into a Top 12 caliber player
In his 5th season (17.6 PER). That was the year before Detroit acquired him and he became a near-All Star with a 20.6 PER in his sixth season. Felton has shown no such progress. The Billups gradual transformation from average to All-Star is a rare occurence – a pretty extreme outlier. And Billups was held back by major injury in his 3rd season, when he played 15 games total, and only half a season the year before.
We have seen no such transformation in Felton. His yearly PER averages in his first 4 seasons were: 14.2, 13.5, 13.8, 13.7. He did kick it up a notch in his 5th season, ending the year at 15.2 PER – then kicked it up another notch with NY. But his NY PER was probably an outlier because of D’Antonis system, which we all know is basically a run-all-the-time offense. Upon returning to Denver – back to 14.7 with an ugly playoffs.
Could Felton become more than average? Possibly. But those are very daunting odds and not something to rely on, especially considering his relatively weak shooting (that wont carry him the way it did Billups from 3)
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
Is PER a pace adjusted statistic?
Did Chauncey Billups start his career in Detroit?
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
We also didn't have GO and Pendergraph
We had no depth at the bigs, ’member LA at the 5?
Not this coming year.
FACEPALM
Dave starts off by saying this was a big step sideways, and then pretty much make the case for this being a big step backwards. Which it is. If felton is not guaranteed to stay, and worse than Miller in all floor areas aside form distance, you can hardly call it an even swap.
Dre was “servicable?” Come ON. Dave himself has praised the guy long and short, here and there, near and far, all season long. Dre was a hell of a lot more than serviceable.
I’m surprised it’s not 46 degrees and pouring rain this morning, because it feels like an ugly, ugly day to be a Blazer.
by pdxrob on Jun 24, 2011 6:37 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I am a little confused with the moves
Not because of any one player getting passed up (Faried); but the most important issue, roster imbalance, was not addressed. Obviously they will be signing some big men at some point, right? I felt the same last season and that never happened. Camby, Aldridge, Chris Johnson, and Oden is not going to cut it for 82 games (or even 50). Maybe we will see more movement in the next seven days??
I get the Felton move. I think the shooting upgrade has a good chance of making an impact on this team. The Smith pick I only get if something else is coming to balance things out. It has to be. Smith better be the Darren Collison of the 2011 Draft. If not, I would rather have drafted anyone with an opportunity to become the Nick Collison of this draft.
PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04
Faried > Felton and Smith
Give me Faried and Miller, and we’re taking steps forward. We still had time to move Miller for a different PG.
A lifelong Sonics fan rooting for the Blazers until Seattle gets a team again.
by anitachampionship on Jun 24, 2011 7:08 AM PDT reply actions
his value was highest before June 30
after that I don’t think you are getting a player of Felton’s caliber
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Which PG was out there to move Dre for?
It seems Felton and Udrih were the only real vet PGs available yesterday. Which one do you prefer?
Without throwing Nic into a deal, this was definitely the best player we could get.
/s
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Jun 24, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
I think we should have made a run at Devin Harris over Felton.
Still feels like they made a trade just to make a trade.
A lifelong Sonics fan rooting for the Blazers until Seattle gets a team again.
by anitachampionship on Jun 24, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I'll take Felton and his durability
Harris also had a higher price tag given each team’s PG situation
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Shoulda, coulda, woulda
since we’re going in one year increments here, i would rather have Dre and Faried than Felton and Nolan Smith.
I like Smith, but I was sure hoping that since we got Felton that Faried was going to be ours in that deal as well…..not much to get excited about. Signing Oden to a long term deal does nothing for me as a Blazer fan.
Get ready for a 88 game season again next year.
Is it to late ?..............
Paul Allen for Kenneth Faried?……if I throw in Nate?…….and Chad?…..and Mr. Wilson?……..whoa …what a night!!!!!!!!!
We must endeavor to persevere.
As nice as Faried is, he's a 6'7" guy who doesn't score
It’s hard not to like him, but how much time would he get with Batum and Wallace in front of him? I think a healthy Jeff Pendergraph could be of more benefit.
I don't think size matters in this circumstance
Hard to ignore that Faried was the best rebounder in the history of the NCAA
A lifelong Sonics fan rooting for the Blazers until Seattle gets a team again.
by anitachampionship on Jun 24, 2011 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions
his lack of offense is a reasonable concern though
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Well, you have to take a chance in ordfer to get value
If Faried turned into Rodman lite, that would have been far better than not taking that chance. At worst you get a defensive minded rotation player who gives desperately needed help on the glass and our SOFT interior defense. And he would have been CHEAP, which is so key with our payroll crapped out. Now we have to go FA scrap heap with guys who have either never fulfilled their A) NBA potential or B) solid NBA big who is too expensive for us to sign.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
and if Smith turns into Collison?
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
why don't you wait and see how we address the front court?
more trades are not out of the question
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
If Smith turns into Collison
We’ll have 2 average PG’s, although Collison has more upside at this point.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
well sure, but we already have plenty of offense with Aldridge, Matthews, and Wallace
Faried would have been a monster on the offensive glass and get some decent put backs. His athleticism more than makes up for his offensive inefficiencies.
A lifelong Sonics fan rooting for the Blazers until Seattle gets a team again.
by anitachampionship on Jun 24, 2011 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
We'll see how Faried turns out
I like him. But no, we did not have plenty of offense. The playoffs exposed that.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
depth and scoring options other than LMA
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Kenneth Faried
barring injuries, will have a much more productive NBA career than Jeff Pendergraph will.
I'd give this draft two middle fingers straight up.
You get rid of my favorite pg for a sub-par replacement and pass up on a rebounding monster for Duke’s version of Juan Dixon. I hate these moves.
Perhaps last night was all part of the master plan
to package Felton and Batum to land our true PGOTF at the next trade deadline (winter 2013?). Just trying to be optimistic
you can be optimistic without trading the good player we just got
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Face it
I feel like the only people who like felton are in denial and like him simply because we traded for a guy
face it, every blazer fan envisioned us getting somebody better, or sending either Andre/ Nolan Smith for Felton. I think most blazers would of rather traded pick 21 in that deal and kept rudy, or still traded pick 21 and kept Jordan Hamilton.
We SUCK at drafting COMBO GUARDS!!!!!!!
But back to how we overpaid for a guy equal to andre at best.
Heres something else to realize….. Do you think teams respect Feltons 3’s? the answer is no. People sag of him just as much as they did andre, because he is so quick, I hope he continues to improve his shooting, otherwise i would be surprised if we end up the 7 or 8 seed next year
Hopefully this all apart of some master plan to land us chris paul though
just because we all fantasized about a better pgotf doesn't mean felton wasn't a good move.
maybe fans who keep pining for chris paul are the ones who are in denial?
I was A-OK
with everything up until the Dallas trade. Felton for Miller, that’s fair to me. But on top of that we essentially traded Rudy Fernandez and a former pick for another 2 picks, one is a guy we would have loved to have (JORDAN HAMILTON) and one is a guy who won’t make any teams this summer. I don’t feel, however, that this worsens the team. I am beginning to loathe the post-draft and post-trade process that takes place on this site. You have people like me, seeing the positive and the negative (hopefully more positive), others who feel this is what we needed, and then a very large percentage who just feel like this is the end of the world. You look at what Rich Cho got in the draft and think “THAT COULD HAVE BEEN US!” but look what they gave up. They just blew that team up. The Blazers did what they could LAST NIGHT to get us younger at the point guard position (pretty sure that at the trade deadline, more people would have been ok with Miller-Felton.) Now, here we are, doomsday is upon us, and it is time to blow this team up and trade Paul Allen for someone (which is a ridiculously unfunny “joke” and you guys saying it aren’t too clever) like we really want to go through that? I have a hard time believing we are done. We aren’t big, we don’t have an LA backup, and we’re unsure about Nolan Smith. That’s where we stand. We’re not worse off than we were yesterday morning. If we feel like last night was our one and only chance to improve this team, then we’re jaded and out-of-touch.
To summarize: EVERYBODY PANIC!
Trade John Canzano
I like it
Felton could really blossom under Nate, and I don’t think we’re being fair about the situation. no, I did not wish for a different situation because I don’t smoke anything too out of order. the people that complain about not getting a bigger name aren’t dealing with the fact that Nico would no longer be a Blazer. Felton was the right move, one I had hoped for since last season. good job Blazers!
"There's my Chippy"
by sparks89 on Jun 24, 2011 7:59 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed. Nic is worth hanging onto
(until he is traded straight up for Chris Paul).
/s
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Jun 24, 2011 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
NO won't take him straight up
we might have to toss in Babbitt
"I told him, ‘We will get through this, then shock the world.’ He got a kick out of that,'' Miller said. "We will get through this and shock the world ...''
Too early to start a "fire Nate" thread?
A lot of the talk from commentators last night was how the Blazers need to speed up the tempo and how the Dre-Felton trade will somehow do that. Problem is, Nate doesn’t let the guys play. Push the ball up, great. But turn it over and you get pulled.
I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again: Nate’s coaching style is similar to his playing style back in the day. He doesn’t play to win; he plays to not lose. And that’s why we won’t get ahead with him at the helm.
I'm not anti-Nate
but I’ve been trying to figure him out for some time. What I mainly wonder is does he know ANY offensive schemes? Maybe you have something here:
He doesn’t play to win; he plays to not lose
Yet, for all of his incompetence,
Nate has kept a team besieged by injuries competitive, bringing more hell in Dallas’ direction than any other NBA squad could this season.
He WILL let Ray do his thing, because he doesn’t have a choice. He’ll bring in a coach familiar with pick-and-rolls, and by mid-season we will see Batum and LMA both running picks for Felton, resulting in catch-and-shoot opportunities and slashes to the rim. You can’t cheat off of Felton, because he’s a solid outside shooter. LMA and Nic are both smart players. Nate showed flexibility this past season with Bickerstaff helping with the offense. This can all happen, and I believe it will.
/s
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Jun 24, 2011 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Hope you're right
When I looked at that Alley-oop youtube storyteller has linked below that’s exactly what I was thinking: Will McMillan adapt to a different style yet again? He seemed pretty hyped up at the presser last night.
I think Nate is flexible if he believes in "his guys".
This is now totally Nate’s team. At least it looked like it the way the Blazers drafted.
/s
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Jun 24, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Whatever you think of this trade let’s not make it out to be a bigger deal than it is. Blazers get someone who can be the PG of the future. Sure he’s not Chris Paul, but you can’t fill your roster with 5 superstars. Miami showed that the max is 3 and under the new CBA even that will be questionable.
If Felton plays decent you offer him a new middling sized contract. Under the new CBA there probably won’t be a lot of attractive offers for free agents, so he probably takes it. Then you start having some stability at the 1. Assuming that scenario, 2 years from now you have a still pretty young Felton instead of an Andre who is due to retire his jersey. The deal will look a whole lot better at that point.
(by the way, wonder whether the new CBA forces Miami to blow up their team. That would be a hoot).
But the bottom line is, even if you don’t like the trade you can’t claim it is that big a deal. The real issues for the Blazers are Roy, Oden, and the big positions. They are bound to give Oden another shot, but if Oden is unable to play then the Blazers will be saddled with two contracts on guys who can’t do much, and then they will not be able to afford paying decent salaries at all positions.
At that point, if they got a decent center to fill in for Oden then that would mean they couldn’t afford more than a minimum salary guy at point guard.
If the team can only afford a competent starter at one of the two positions of PG and center, and must fill the other position with a D league type guy, I would rather have a decent player at the PG and have the D league guy at center. I believe it would be a recipe for disaster to have a D league caliber guy as your starting point guard.
Those are the sorts of realities the Blazers face. There’s no magic trade out there that’s going to change things, because their biggest problem is injuries to well-paid guys and one thing that is sure is that if you trade for a start that player is going to expect a hefty salary.
by LanceS on Jun 24, 2011 8:23 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Well isn't this what happens when
you fire 2 GMs in 2 years…. no real direction. They still have a huge summer in front of them to get it right.
1. Get the best freaking GM you can find.
2. Get GO signed and healthy!
3. You didn’t blow your trade wad yet. We can still look to move Batum/Camby and some other pieces.
3. Amnesty BRoy.
4. Hope that the collective bargaining agreement is favorable to Portland and allows us to still pick up another player that will help.
I for one like the Miller/Felton swap. It’s not the sexiest trade in the world, but there’s a chance Felton fits better with Nate and the rest of the team, ultimately making him an upgrade over Miller.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=mc-spears_nba_draft_winners_losers_062411
Loser: Portland Trail Blazers
Felton
The Portland Trail Blazers traded one of the most underappreciated players in point guard Andre Miller(notes) to the Denver Nuggets and sent athletic guard Rudy Fernandez(notes) to the Dallas Mavericks while acquiring point guard Raymond Felton(notes) in a three-team trade. The Nuggets were disappointed with Felton after a lackluster offensive-minded performance in the playoffs and were determined to trade him. While Felton is a solid starting point guard, he’s not as experienced a floor leader as Miller. Friends close to Nuggets coach George Karl said he was thrilled about the return of Miller, whom he hated to see dealt in the Allen Iverson(notes) trade on Dec. 19, 2006. While Fernandez wanted out, the Blazers helped the NBA champion Mavericks and lost an insurance policy for injury-prone guard Brandon Roy(notes).
The thing he forgot to mention was the opportunity costs of not getting Hamilton & Faried + the ability to grab Felton is Free Agency next year if we still wanted him.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
who cares what they say
people said we got fleeced in the Roy-LMA trades too
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Its not that I care what they say
Its that they’re totally right.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
just like with Roy-LMA
were they “totally right” then? Even Dave called us the fish at that poker table, and we won the crap out of those moves
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
I cant speak for then
The facts prove they are right, unless something changes -which I doubt. Theres enough track record on Felton to know exactly who he is.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
the facts also say
that we would have been unable to “grab Felton in free agency next year”, so there you go.
"I told him, ‘We will get through this, then shock the world.’ He got a kick out of that,'' Miller said. "We will get through this and shock the world ...''
Oh yeah
Please explain how we couldnt grab Felton in FA next year, and how this changes because we have him now?
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
thevolv has a very detailed response about that in this thread
don’t ignore it
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah where?
he has 3 posts and nothing answers this question. The fact is, Felton could be had just as much next year as he could be had now.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
There's a fairly major problem with your idea of waiting and signing Felton next year
We would only be able to offer him the MLE (if it even exists), so, we’d be banking on his value being VERY low. We’d also be banking on him wanting to come to Portland. Remember, free agency is a 2 way street. You can’t just want someone at a "reasonable" (to us) price, and then they sign with the team. It’s much more complicated than that.
Now, we have a year to put him on our team, see if he fits (both basketball-wise and personality-wise), and then, if he does, we have a leg up in re-signing him come the offeseason, as we have his Bird Rights and he’s (presumably) already somewhat comfortable here.
If he doesn’t work out next year, we can cut bait and look for other options, just as we would have when Andre’s contract runs out. No harm, no foul.
IMO, next year will be a sort of transition year, as we slowly work Greg back (hopefully), we find out what exactly Brandon has left (maybe), and, we see what we look like with a full season of GW. Personally, I think it’s a great time to make this deal, as we get to test run a young PG and see how they fit. We know that there will be ups and downs, but, if we can get to the point that by the end of the year, this team really develops some chemistry and starts to show potential, we may be in a great place going into next year. If we did that with Andre, then we’re almost certainly looking at another adjustment period going into next year.
This is our best chance at giving us some legitimate roster stability for then next 2 or 3 years, which, IMO, is key to making a serious run in this league.
(That’s what he posted above)
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
sure
1) We are over the cap, and therefore won’t have any more available to us than the MLE (if in fact the MLE still exists in the new CBA).
2) Felton will sign for more than the MLE as he is (at worst) an average starting point guard in his prime.
3) Because we already have him, we can go over the cap to re-sign him, and can in fact offer more incentives than other teams (if Bird Rights still exist in the new CBA).
This has been stated more clearly multiple times in this thread as well.
"I told him, ‘We will get through this, then shock the world.’ He got a kick out of that,'' Miller said. "We will get through this and shock the world ...''
1) We are over the cap, and therefore won’t have any more available to us than the MLE (if in fact the MLE still exists in the new CBA).
Well thats certainly concerning with Oden, Batum and Felton up for renewal
2) Felton will sign for more than the MLE as he is (at worst) an average starting point guard in his prime.
So you’re suggesting we give Felton close to $10M/season?
3) Because we already have him, we can go over the cap to re-sign him, and can in fact offer more incentives than other teams (if Bird Rights still exist in the new CBA).
This is what the owners are looking to do away with. Either way, you DO NOT waste your Larry Bird rights on felton. Thats crazy!
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
Some weak rationale there I must say
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
Your issue with Point #1 is addressed by Point #3.
Also, Bird Rights apply to all a team’s players (with some exceptions). They are not an exhaustible resource.
Therefore, Portland can resign Batum and Oden and Felton, if they choose. They cannot pay an FA more than the MLE.
Felton might not get 10 mil a year, but he is sure to get more than the 5 mil or so that the MLE allows.
"I told him, ‘We will get through this, then shock the world.’ He got a kick out of that,'' Miller said. "We will get through this and shock the world ...''
So you're saying
Felton will be willing to accept less money as an UFA than he would on the open market by accepting Portlands MLE exemption. yeah, ok.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
actually
That’s what you’re saying, every time you say that Portland could have signed Felton as an FA next summer.
"I told him, ‘We will get through this, then shock the world.’ He got a kick out of that,'' Miller said. "We will get through this and shock the world ...''
No, not exactly
Felton might not get 10 mil a year, but he is sure to get more than the 5 mil or so that the MLE allows.
If thats the case, Felton is gonzo next year.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
And this presumes the Bird Rights
Will even be in the next CBA. the owners are taking a very hard stance to trying to control payroll. These type of exceptions could be done away with, or severely curtailed. Then what?
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
ok, one more time
1) You can go over the cap to re-sign your own players. THEREFORE we could even max out Felton if we really wanted to. We do not have this option with FAs.
2) Bird Rights are not guaranteed to be in the next CBA, you are right. However, most preliminary reports state that owners want to INCREASE their ability to retain their own players (call it a Lebron Backlash). So I think it’s a safe assumption that Portland will be able to offer Felton a better deal. Even if not, they can still offer more than they could to an FA.
"I told him, ‘We will get through this, then shock the world.’ He got a kick out of that,'' Miller said. "We will get through this and shock the world ...''
So I think it’s a safe assumption that Portland will be able to offer Felton a better deal. Even if not, they can still offer more than they could to an FA.
No, I tink you’re totally wrong. They’ll be another team willing to offer more than MLE to Felton. We’ll have to wait and see. If not, then Felton sure didn’t play that well.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
If Felton plays performs up to the level proponents say he will
He’ll easily get more than MLE
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
right
from Portland.
"I told him, ‘We will get through this, then shock the world.’ He got a kick out of that,'' Miller said. "We will get through this and shock the world ...''
MLE wont be enough to keep him
He’s unrestricted, so somebody will offer him more money
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
you are actually totally wrong
Please read up on the CBA and how free agency works in the NBA before continuing this discussion.
"I told him, ‘We will get through this, then shock the world.’ He got a kick out of that,'' Miller said. "We will get through this and shock the world ...''
Um, Im using your own words dude.
Please understand what your talking about. Unless you’re saying we will use miore than MLE to sign Felton?
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
that is exactly what I am saying
because you can go over the cap (and therefore pay more than the MLE) to re-sign your own players.
See above (multiple times).
"I told him, ‘We will get through this, then shock the world.’ He got a kick out of that,'' Miller said. "We will get through this and shock the world ...''
Which we're gonna have to do
to resign Batum and Wallace at the same time. I know we like to think PA is down with spending that kind of cash, but you have to draw the line somewhere. And if this Felton pickup means we lose out on one of those two, then yes, we just got a lot worse.
by cloud razor on Jun 24, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
we would have had to pay out
to re-sign Miller, too. PA is looking at shelling out some serious money in the next couple of years regardless.
This is why I think Roy is going to get amnesty’d, but that’s a different discussion.
"I told him, ‘We will get through this, then shock the world.’ He got a kick out of that,'' Miller said. "We will get through this and shock the world ...''
and if we still trade Batum for someone?
Was Dre gonna play for free? Oh, just cheaper so we can have a 37 yr old starting PG.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
nope I wouldn't want to shell out for andre either
but thats the whole point. Neither of them are worth it. I don’t want felton on this team as our PGOTF. And thats your whole thing. You’re saying his age is the reason this trade was good for us, and i’m saying screw his age cuz he’s not worth the investment.
by cloud razor on Jun 24, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
How long have we been looking for a PGOTF?
WE ARE NOT GETTING CHRIS PAUL PEOPLE!!!
I think the unknown is FAR riskier proposition than Felton.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
you, of course, realize all of that is going to be different.
and trying to justify this move by saying it won’t be is a very weak argument. So we’re supposed to think that we made this move in hope that the new CBA makes it somehow awesome and easy to retain players? then why not get someone better and worth retaining?
by cloud razor on Jun 24, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
it will be easier to retain our players
then sign free agents…as always
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
bird rights only exist if you have a player under contract for 3 years. We wont, as feltons contract will expire before that. so we can NOT go over the cap to sign him.
"Tommy: Did you hear I finally graduated?
Richard Hayden: Yeah, and just a shade under a decade too. All right. "
from Wikipedia
To qualify as a Bird free agent, a player must have played three seasons without being waived or changing teams as a free agent. This means a player can obtain “Bird rights” by playing under three one-year contracts, a single contract of at least three years, or any combination thereof. It also means that when a player is traded, his Bird rights are traded with him, and his new team can use the Bird exception to re-sign him.
"I told him, ‘We will get through this, then shock the world.’ He got a kick out of that,'' Miller said. "We will get through this and shock the world ...''
you can't speak for then, just for now
oh okay
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Wait wait
your defense is gonna be “They were totally wrong about us taking Roy and LMA, so they’re obviously wrong now” ?
These guys make lots of money evaluating basketball talent. They make mistakes (roy/lma), but they don’t make that many. That s why they have jobs. And most of them thought Roy and LMA would be in the top three in their draft class, but they didn’t see them fitting into a personality-plagued, zach randolph led blazers team. and they were right. they didn’t fit in.
So don’t say everything is going to be ok because ESPN said it won’t be. This isn’t the madden curse we’re talking about here.
by cloud razor on Jun 24, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Now
it’s called keeping an open mind and not acting like we can see into the future
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
No one
is saying this move was a step backwards.
Everyone is saying its a swing and a miss at getting BETTER.
Just wanted to make that clear when you gloat about how we are exactly the same next year.
by cloud razor on Jun 24, 2011 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
the point is that the experts aren't always right
and if we’re the same next year but this much younger at PG? You’re damn right I’m gonna gloat, that makes this a good trade. It also means we’ll be better the year after than we would have been.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
not when you can't keep him. which exactly the situation we're in.
by cloud razor on Jun 24, 2011 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
umm..no, it's not
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
He's gonna be an unrestricted free agent in a year...
by cloud razor on Jun 24, 2011 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
we can keep him
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
actually
a lot of people in this very thread are saying that it is a step backwards. just sayin’
"I told him, ‘We will get through this, then shock the world.’ He got a kick out of that,'' Miller said. "We will get through this and shock the world ...''
Those were for unproven college players who had never played a minute in the NBA
Felton is a known commodity….again almost every statistical measure has Portland getting worse after this trade
If Ginobli was so good
why was he picked 57th?
so you think jordan hamilton is the next manu ginobli?
i’m asking a serious question, i don’t know that much about hamilton, but i’m noticing people act like we traded away batum when we passed hamilton along to denver as part of the deal.
is this hamilton the next big thing, or is he a late 1st round pick in a weak draft that we will forget about in two years? my money is on the latter, but i don’t pretend to know.
Hamilton is a talented shooter with attitude and shot selection issues. By the numbers he was a lottery pick or possibly a top 10 pick, but teams passed on him probably due to a combination of need and the fact that he’s a bit of a sulker. He would’ve been totally passable as a backup 3 for us, IMO, which would have allowed us to move Batum and Andre for a better player than Felton. Not sure what exactly was on the table for Batum though.
i keep dancing on my own.
thanks for the 411. those kinds of players fall in the draft every year.
and most of the time the teams that passed on them look good for doing it.
attitude is a big deal for a player who hasn’t proven anything yet – i think we’ve learned that enough times as blazer fans over the years.
Felton brings toughness and grit per Buchanon
Huh. Is this more Blazers spin because they couldn’t figure out what more to say? They do know that Dre, who spends the frickin’ summers in Watts is as tough and gritty as they get right? Treading water move. And LA is REALLY going to miss those alley-oops from Dre for easy hoops. I do get them wanting to go younger and upgrading (if you call 33% shooting) 3pt shooting but I don’t see how this makes any REAL difference next year. Hopefully I am wrong.
Felton is a bulldog with super intensity
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Who has had three teams
give up on him. Umm, ok.
right
whereas Dre Miller has been a rock for the Blazers since they drafted him.
wait what
"I told him, ‘We will get through this, then shock the world.’ He got a kick out of that,'' Miller said. "We will get through this and shock the world ...''
unlike Dre who has had many more teams than that
you need to look no further than the circumstances of each to realize it was a business decision in each case
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
haha, it’s not like he was unemployed and we just pulled him off the street because nobody wanted him.
i keep dancing on my own.
You guys are right ...
another AMAZING move by the Blazers front office staff. So good in fact, I would expect it to have zero impact on wins and losses next year.
if it has zero impact on wins and losses and we get that much younger
then it’s a good deal
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Then the Blazers ...
should say that. Instead they say he brings “toughness” and “grit” to the PG position. The implication being that they didn’t have toughness and grit at that position before with Dre which is a complete joke and everyone knows it.
HE DOES BRING TOUGHNESS AND GRIT
they aren’t the same player even if it’s a net neutral move for the immediate short term! They are saying what you are asking them to say. Dre has toughness and grit too, but Felton is like Wes Matthews in that sense. Dre is a very reserved and professional guy
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
you're reading a lot into that comment
I think one can say that Ray Felton brings toughness and grit without meaning to say anything one way or the other about Dre Miller.
I mean, the Blazers also said they brought in Felton to play point guard. Does this imply that Miller was not playing point guard?
"I told him, ‘We will get through this, then shock the world.’ He got a kick out of that,'' Miller said. "We will get through this and shock the world ...''
Spending the summer in Watts...
doesn’t make you younger.
I wonder if Felton has ever thrown an alley-oop?
Here's one
from O-Live article:
NBA’s top alley-oop teams
Portland: 132
L.A. Clippers: 110
Orlando: 81
Oklahoma City: 71
Dallas: 64
New Jersey:64
http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2011/03/high-flying_trail_blazers_lead.html
hard to find for individuals
Felton is very capable
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Dre is not a player, he is $9,000,000
People, don’t forget, Miller is likely just money savings, poof! He’s back on the FA market, so if the Blazers wanted him back, he’s likely there for the taking.
Let’s be realistic though, I love Miller as a player as much as the next person, but if he doesn’t jive, he doesn’t jive. You know?
Chemistry is part of the equation here; so as much as we love the trade machine and statistics, if they don’t add up to a larger whole then you’re just wasting time and resources (see MN, DET, NYK of old(new?)).
7.8 million
and they will keep him.
48 Wins would be just fine
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 24, 2011 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions
anger? frustration?
:)
48 Wins would be just fine
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jun 24, 2011 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions
It's sounding like Denver acquired him to play for him, not to cut him.
Mostly they were disappointed about Felton’s performance in the playoffs. I imagine they were also disappointed with his conditioning— I know I was a little startled to see him so…. baron’ish.
by howlingfantods on Jun 24, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
He was a slob. Did you ever see him eat? Starving children could fill their bellies on the food that ended up on his beard and clothes. Dogs would gather to watch him eat. I never understood gluttony, but I hated it…I hated that about you. He enjoyed disgusting people—being disgusting—that thrill of offending people and making them uncomfortable. He was despicable. He will not be missed.
Who's that tromping across my bedge?
Winners and Loser
Winners:
Faried: gets to play for George Karl and will actually visit the court.
Miller: gets to play for George Karl who respects him.
Fernandez: gets to compete for a starting position with the current Champs.
Loser:
Chad Buchanan: specializes in making an unbalanced team even more unbalanced which is while he has lasted so long working for an unbalanced owner.
by XBlazerfan on Jun 24, 2011 9:08 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I had just polished off taco night at home and my headache was finally easing after a long day listening to my idiot boss, when I clicked on the TV right at the 20th pick. I thought “ahhh perfect”.
It all went downhill from there. I’ve been hoping they would deal Dre for a while. BUT just because you want to unload a guy really bad does not be you toss him in the garbage. Apparently the suits were so myopic on this trade, they were willing to make two of our biggest conference rivals even BETTER than they were? And for what? A guy that is essentially a clone of what you gave up? And then with our one hope of relief for LMA off the bench, we blow a pick on a benchwarmer “character guy”.
Draft is a D+
Remember when we at least THOUGHT the Blazers were the smartest team in the draft?
Sigh….
I still believe in Greg Oden. The Blazers' medical staff? Not so much.
I'd change my handle to "bringback'09," but I'm too lazy.
It's a fail
This team REALLY needs a guy like Faried. Our front line is very soft and thin. Seems like we have coveted guys like Millsap, Maxiel and Bass for years and now we have a chance to get one and we look like rookies in the front office. You can’t tell me we could not have traded Dre for Felton, kept Faried, picked up Hamilton for Rudy and MAYBE still bought a 2nd round pick to get Nolan Smith. We got slapped.
by LicketyBrindleDowntheMiddle on Jun 24, 2011 9:43 AM PDT reply actions
I agree with this "This team REALLY needs a guy like Faried. Our front line is very soft and thin. "
Yet it is also true that we don;t need Faried. Not him. personally. Just someone like him.
Everyone thinks that gifted, relentless rebounders like Faried grow on trees
Yet the fact is that they don’t. There’s only one or two of them in each draft. Smart teams pick them up in the late first or the second round. Dumb teams, like the Blazers, try to buy them for a fortune on the free agent market (e.g., Paul Milsap), yet pass on them when they drop into their laps on draft day (e.g., DeJuan Blair & Kenneth Faried).
I still believe in Greg Oden. The Blazers' medical staff? Not so much.
I'd change my handle to "bringback'09," but I'm too lazy.
by hurryup09 on Jun 24, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Let's look at it this way: say, that instead of Felton, the Blazers had traded for Devin Haris on draft night.
Could they have gotten Harris for Miller + Rudy. Is Harris so much better than Felton that it would have been worth the extra chips?
My point is that, many – not all – posters here would have been happy with a Harris trade, yet I didn’t see any Harris trade proposals that didn’t involve giving up a lot more than the team gave up for Felton.
I like Felton to Harris for our team I think
younger, sturdier, experience with Wallace and Bickerstaff. And I do think that Harris had a higher price tag if for no other reason then the respective PG situations on those 2 teams.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
As a Mavs fan
I thank you guys for Rudy. I think he’ll excel with open looks from beyond the arc and this adds even more floor spacing. He probably just needs a little change of scenery.
Apologies to anyone that already posted this...
…but Thor is an impostor. Dirk is the true God of Thunder
by Steve Estep on May 23, 2011 9:46 PM PDT
by AfterSchoolSpecial on Jun 24, 2011 10:00 AM PDT reply actions
heh
do you guys need even more floor spacing?
I hope he pans out for you guys too, though he had a lot of open looks here in Portland. Look forward to the joy and the agony of Rudy… hopefully more of the former than the latter.
"I told him, ‘We will get through this, then shock the world.’ He got a kick out of that,'' Miller said. "We will get through this and shock the world ...''
Can never have too much floor spacing!
But since we have Rudy, that means Peja will be gone and we’re not exactly sure with Stevenson.
Apologies to anyone that already posted this...
…but Thor is an impostor. Dirk is the true God of Thunder
by Steve Estep on May 23, 2011 9:46 PM PDT
by AfterSchoolSpecial on Jun 24, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
I remember
watching Fernandez and Pau Gasol playing for the French team and seeing Rudy doing things I never saw him do in Portland including a few really nice pick and rolls so maybe he will fit in there. Good luck with that!
Rudy is a fun player.
I’m sure the good people of Dallas will love him.
And I agree—he needed a change.
/s
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Jun 24, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
i think he will do just fine under Coach Carlisle.
i always felt that Rudy was never fully comfortable playing under Coach Nate’s system/style.
btw – congrats on your Mavs winning the title.
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.
I can't see what all the moaning is about
we started the day with an old, reliable, slow as a Toyota Camry point guard and a whirling dervish spaniard who skips all the big games and traded them for a shiny new Mustang GT. Felton’s way better than Andre because he plays the game at a faster pace, shoots better, and defends better. He’s just got a lot much brighter future than thos two.
Except that he's not
Career 3.5 PER less in half the games. Your analysis of both players is badly broken. Most defensive metrics have Dre better.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
Not True ...
loved the GW trade from the second they even mentioned it. Dre is very much underappreciated. His efficiency stats bear that out. He is a very good PG.
So do we have Tanguy Ngombo?
Or does it matter?
Campaigning to remove "Free-throw Guy" from the Rose Garden.
I think his name was Jacob Tutu
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
just think what a "sideways move" could have done for the titanic!
by SaveOden on Jun 24, 2011 10:23 AM PDT reply actions 6 recs
that analogy could be more accurate than we'd like to admit
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Dave doesn't think Lamarcus can learn how to run a pick and roll.
That’s the real issue here.
These moves weren’t about grasping for “the piece” as much as they are about letting the current studs on the roster (LMA and Wallace, and—to a lesser degree—Wes and Nic) show what they can do in an offense built around balance and shooting from more than one player. My beef with Andre was the lack of pick and roll capabilities with LMA, who should be getting dunks and wide open looks running such a play. All night. Who can guard him? Instead, he spent several years languishing in the foreground, as B Roy waived off any pick and went 1-on-1, 1-on-2—even 1-on-3, on his way to becoming a transcendent guard. Times changed. So now the play must change.
I doubted LMA last summer. I hadn’t seen the killer instinct. I hadn’t seen the desire to go right at the defender. Now it’s obvious, he can do anything he sets his mind to, so long as his footwork is sure, and he doesn’t have 3 dudes lurching about, swiping at the ball. I wasn’t so sure about Wallace either. What does he do on offense? With pick and rolls consuming attention on one side of the court, Wallace is the perfect slashing player for cleaning up plays. This can work, people. I do believe Wes needs to become a more consistent shooter, but—again—why can’t he? Is it so hard to imagine a guy with his work ethic, and his history of getting better—much better—every year? So he can’t handle incredibly well. He can shoot though.
I’m optimistic.
/s
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Jun 24, 2011 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
nice post. i share your optimism.
i think that there was a lot of hype and rumors leading up to the draft that came crashing down when a solid, realistic, logical move was made.
Maybe
it just comes down to how well you think this roster can perform at it’s peak. I really don’t think it can win a championship, and needs to find an excellent perimeter player to really contend, and I don’t see anyone developing into that.
I was hoping to find that person this summer, but it’s obvious that that won’t happen now.
by cloud razor on Jun 24, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
The real reason that we made the move
Is to deceive opponents’ defenses with a Wesley Matthews clone


plus
I think that Felton and Wallace’s experience in Charlotte will help integrate Crash into our offense.
by imlebronjames on Jun 24, 2011 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
He really does look like Matthews
I guess you’re right: Our plan is to put twins on the court and confuse the opposition.
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
they play with similar intensity as well
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
They can't be done... This was just a start.
They addressd pgotf, and now have a stockpile of guards to address the lack of bigs:
R Felton
Elliot Williams
Armon Johnson
Patty Mills (or did he expire, or something?)
We$
Broy
Six guards – did I leave anyone out? And two centers and one PF
by Sheedwasright on Jun 24, 2011 10:34 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Smith and--possibly--a few 2 guard minutes from Nic as well.
Yeah. Some dudes are getting shipped.;)
Maybe B Roy is getting amnestied?
Maybe Armon is currently growing a foot in height and ready to make the all star game as a forward in a couple years?
I don’t know.
/s
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Jun 24, 2011 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
New to blazers edge...
but just commenting on the Felton pick. You guys will be very happy when you see him controlling things on the court. Him and crash together again is a big plus. I live in the Charlotte area and watched him go to New York as well as Denver. He was right by demanding to be a starter in this league because that’s what he is. Tough, durable, lightning fast, strong, can dish the rock , much improved from 3(money if he sets his feet), developed a nice tear drop, solid mid-range game, can blow past anyone on the court, defends well, plays well angry, good vocal leader, not afraid to hold his teammates accountable. The funny thing about him this year in NY was that anybody that was rumored to be coming to NY to take his spot he took it personal on the court. Chris Paul, Steve Nash, Derron Williams, Tony Parker, Luke Ridnour, etc. The dudes the truth. Just wait. You will c.
by flight21 on Jun 24, 2011 10:44 AM PDT reply actions 4 recs
IT IS REAL
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Word.
Most of us are just sad Dre is gone, who is equally ballsy and looks similar from a statistical standpoint.
/s
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Jun 24, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I totally understand
It hurts when you really respect a guys game and what he did for the team and it seems that he’s unappreciated and then he’s traded or allowed to leave. That’s the way I felt when Felton was in Ny because he was killing it til he got hurt. He refused to sit out games because he was the co-captain and felt like the team needed him. That’s what ultimately cost him his 1st all-star appearance. Later on, as you all know, he was traded to Denver . Now he’s here and everyone will see what he has to bring to the table. Is Nate’s style wide open or does he put shackles on players. Felton plays best when he has the freedom to make things happen. His most efficient year was maybe the year the Cats went to the Playoffs under Larry Brown but his best year was the first part of last year with Mike D averaging 17 and 9. He can average over 10 assists.
Portland created the least number of possessions last season.
Most of that is Nate’s style—some of it is simply the fact that we only had one pure play maker in Andre. Our primary backup PG was Patty Mills, who is lightening quick and really sped up play for a few minutes here and there. Unfortunately, he was inexperienced and a part of the least organized—least balanced Blazer second unit in recent memory. But Nate trusted Patty sometimes, even though he is a marginal NBA talent.
So I’m optimistic Nate won’t “shackle” Raymond, as you put it. I think Nate trusts Raymond because he’s a vet. But yeah—he won’t be getting anywhere near the amount of possessions he got in NYC.
/s
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Jun 24, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
I think that will change
Look at the core players Nate mentioned in his interview. Felton, Matthews, Wallace, Aldridge. All of those guys are better when the blazers are on the move. This is the first year that Nate won’t be forced to cater to Broys playing style. I have a feeling we’ll see more of an up and down game similar to what he ran when he was coaching in Seattle.
This is a joke, right? Nate had a middle of the pack pace his first year in Seattle, which fell to 24th/29, 27th/29, 24th/29 and 27th/29 in the four subsequent seasons.
i keep dancing on my own.
I stand corrected.
I just remember Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis chucking up 3’s and figured they played a more up and down style. They definitely played differently then the blazers do now, so I think Nate might be able to adapt to his personal.
Nate said the words "pick and roll" in regards to Raymond,
so I too believe Nate intends to change the way the offense works. He’s going to need some help, but he seemed willing to share the coaching load with Bickerstaff this past season.
/s
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Jun 24, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
So the biggest caveat to Ray working in Portland
is a simple matter of sample size. Can Felton be effective with less possessions? I say yes, simply because he and LMA can, theoretically, run a very effective pick and roll. But we’ll see.
From a character standpoint, I agree—we’re all going to love the way this dude goes about his business.
/s
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Jun 24, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
thank you
I agree that people will love Felton once they see him playing in a Blazer uni…a lot of tunes will change
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Stop
with the “tunes will change” thing!
We get it. you like Felton. so talk about why, don’t say things I would say to 13 year olds when talking about dating in Jr. High.
Its not the end of the world. You’ll see. You’ll be happy again. You’ll change your tune.
Aaaagghhh.
by cloud razor on Jun 24, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
No, screw that.
I’m sorry Cloud, I’ve tried to explain but Zeus is just waiting to throw career PER in my face. This guy says it all. All I can do at this point is tell you guys you will see and we will revisit this many times.
New to blazers edge… but just commenting on the Felton pick. You guys will be very happy when you see him controlling things on the court. Him and crash together again is a big plus. I live in the Charlotte area and watched him go to New York as well as Denver. He was right by demanding to be a starter in this league because that’s what he is. Tough, durable, lightning fast, strong, can dish the rock , much improved from 3(money if he sets his feet), developed a nice tear drop, solid mid-range game, can blow past anyone on the court, defends well, plays well angry, good vocal leader, not afraid to hold his teammates accountable. The funny thing about him this year in NY was that anybody that was rumored to be coming to NY to take his spot he took it personal on the court. Chris Paul, Steve Nash, Derron Williams, Tony Parker, Luke Ridnour, etc. The dudes the truth. Just wait. You will c.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
For my part, I've watched Felton play.
I see that he isn’t a GREAT, overpower the opposition type of perimeter talent. He’s no all star. His ‘upside’ isn’t Ellis-like. That said, Dallas just won a title with lots of ‘good’ perimeter players. They simply built the team around Dirk, shooting, and great team play. Portland can build around LMA. So I agree with you that Portland needed a “great” perimeter play maker, but I really think this was the best they could do AND you can still win with a team concept when you have a great player to build around and experienced, willing winners like Felton.
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Jun 24, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
He won those battles 2.
Taking it personal is one thing but actually doing something about it is another.
dave, i also take issue with the photo and caption
seems like you tried to find the least flattering photo of felton possible.
then with the caption you implied that the blazers could have traded andre miller and rudy fernandez for russel westbrook!
c’mon man!
by SaveOden on Jun 24, 2011 10:49 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
well, of course that trade looks bad
you forgot Petteri! OKC totally does Miller + Rudy + Petteri for Westbrook. Book it!
"I told him, ‘We will get through this, then shock the world.’ He got a kick out of that,'' Miller said. "We will get through this and shock the world ...''
totally agree
show Felton’s two hand put back dunk…show him making Kobe almost fall over with a crossover. He’s got a million highlights and we get that?
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
That's why I loved it
It’s funny that way.
by MavetheGreat on Jun 24, 2011 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I like the potential of Smith and WIlliams together again
Nate must have the inside scoop on both from Kryz (spell check help)zewski
z-y-z
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
two bad drafts in a row?
I think yes. Blazers draft-day magic is a thing of the past.
Point guards don't win championships.
The sooner our fanbase realizes that, the sooner we can accept this deal as “practical” and move on.
"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."
by Arby on Jun 24, 2011 11:48 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
too reasonable
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes and no.
Big men don’t win championships without an elite backcourt.
Russell had like 20 HOF’ers including Bob Cousy and Havelicek.
Kareem had Big O and Magic
Shaq had Wade and Kobe
Duncan had/has Ginobli and Parker
Wilt had Greer and West
Hakeem had Drexler
It seems like you don’t win without having a strong backcourt to me.
The list is minimal.
Bulls, enough said with Jordan.
Pistons with Thomas and Dumars HOF backcourt. Even the ’04 Pistons team had an a great duo in Hamilton and Billups.
Dr.J had Mo Cheeks
Celtics with Allen and Rondo.
The list goes on and on
teams win championships
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Felton is a team player, because?
the Nuggets sure didn’t think so, after his recent post season performance
Nate got himself a destitute man’s version of Roy, and when the games resume I expect to see the ISO return, with Raymond pounding the rock just like Brandon used to
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
I don't care what people say, I LOVE this trade. Felton is a quicker Miller with a better 3
With that outside threat Wesley will only continue to grow, he will be attacking the paint all day. Oh and the face of the franchise needs someone like Felton.
This will also make LA better, might not have as many lobs thrown his way, but overall Felton will make LA better.
As far as the draft picks go… who cares, they’re late first round picks in a very poor draft… Smith might be the next JR Smith, Faried might be the next Reggie Evans (Not Terry. Not Rodman)… Those are mighty big mights in my opinion
Serioursly? Seriously? What the...
I’ve slept on this hoping I’d have a better perspective in the morning, but no mater how much I try to swallow this, I keep retching it up again.
This whole thing boiled down to getting younger. That’s it. We walked in with a 35 year old PG with a team option for one more year, and we left with a 26 year old PG with one year left. Allegedly a wash, skill-set wise, but I’d stick with the devil you know rather than the devil that’s been bouncing from team to team.
We drop Patty and replace him with Nolan. OK. Why? Is Nolan that much better than Patty? Faried was there, and we had a noticable need for a backup that could come in and rebound the ball. Couldn’t you spend some cash to buy another pick if Nolan was the guy? He would have been available later, and if not, there were another four PGs to choose from that you could have gotten to sit on the bench and never play. So we leave there right where we started; a non-playing backup PG without any real upside.
We trade Rudy & the rights to Kopponen to the Mavs for #26 and then give that away to Denver for …nothing. What? If that was a part of the Felton deal, we got jobbed. If it wasn’t, we got jobbed. I’ve now got a bald spot forming on my head from all the scratching. In replace of Rudy we pick a less athletic guy who shoots. Nothing else, just shoots. The kid will never see the floor. Net zero/loss.
In the end, if you add up all the action you end up with nothing. Worse, you wasted the assets you could have had (ie Marshon Brooks or Faried). So instead of getting better we…didn’t.
I miss KP. Heck, I miss Cho. The Blazers appear to be hitching their wagon to Oden who won’t be in a position to play meaningful minutes until MARCH! IF they’re right, that might get us to the second round, maybe even the WCF. No farther.
I gotta go hurl.
by Steve The Hedge on Jun 24, 2011 12:35 PM PDT reply actions
the best part of this draft?
watching zeusmith and sammymohawk go at it.
by DefenderOfPants on Jun 24, 2011 12:38 PM PDT reply actions
Who's winning?
:)
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
Masai Ujiri.
i keep dancing on my own.
by atomiccafe on Jun 24, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
which is my code name
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
sammy's just upset he didnt get drafted
Henne is the greatest and the Dolphins will go 14-2 this year and win the SB
I don't understand how I get passed on year after year!!!
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Happy to oblige : )
it will make following the results of the trade more interesting since it was so polarizing…Zeus is a worthy adversary, it’s not his fault he’s wrong (JOKING Zeus, totally joking…you make a good argument grounded in statistics)
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 24, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
zeus v sammy is like aliens v predator
no matter who wins, we have to wait until they are both tired of repeating the exact same argument over and over again lose
dinasour type of guys choir boys
We gave up Faried to complete the deal
At least that’s my theory. I think Denver wanted Faried and made us promise not to draft him in order to complete the trade. That makes the most sense.
Creator of Projectile project management/invoicing/time tracking system.
OK....I'm losing count.............
How many PIECES do we need now?………..LOL……….Blazer boat adrift at sea!
We must endeavor to persevere.
well, with PG and backup PG finally taken care of
we need a backup PF and Oden to get healthy
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
I am now a fan of Raymond Felton, Nolan Smith, Jon Diebler, and Tanguy Ngombo
for at least as long as they are Portland Trail Blazers.
I will cheer for them just as loud as I cheered for the recently departed.
Plus, I plan to begin overvaluing them in trade scenarios immediately.
Who's that tromping across my bedge?
Miller Complacent?
Miller’s situation was more murky. Some speculated his attitude wasn’t up to snuff even during this, his best year as a Blazer. Off-record whispers had him too complacent in the face of losing.
Are you kidding? Complacent in the face of losing? Dre? That doesn’t even come close to passing the eye test of what I have been seeing. There were times in the last two years where Miller looked like the only player with the unique combination of competitive drive and ability to score big momentum changing buckets nearly on command. It seemed like Nate was aware of that too and used him in such critical situations. I believe he was worth 10-15 wins last year.
I agree with most people in that it was at best a lateral move and had we taken Faried I would’ve had something to be excited about. However, sometimes the best moves aren’t the most exciting ones. I’ll still root for them with every breath. Go Blazers!
by MavetheGreat on Jun 24, 2011 3:19 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Portland sends Rudy Fernandez [edit: and the rights to Finnish point guard Petteri Koponen] to the Dallas Mavericks for the 26th pick in the draft, Texas forward Jordan Hamilton, then sends Hamilton and point guard Andre Miller to Denver for point guard Raymond Felton.
When you lay it all out like that, there’s only one previous trade in franchise history that the Felton deal reminds me of
Fat Lever
Calvin Natt
Wayne Cooper
and 2 draft choices
for Kiki Vandeweghe
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