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Stop with the Batum trade talk

why is everyone so eager to trade batum? if anyone is to be traded it is miller, rudy, and maybe wallace. Batum is a young rising star. he is only 22 people! he's a smart player who plays lock down D, drains threes and ocassionally posterize someone (Pau Gasol haha TWICE), and will stuff you if you try to score on him. last season portland kept getting offers for him but kept turning them down. in fact teams were bugging them so much that Portland told everyone that Batum is untouchable and the only way portland trades him is for a player like lebron status. not for a stupid draft pick. miller is ancient and can't shoot, portland needs to trade him for a point guard that can shoot. someone that roy and wesley can kick the ball out to.

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maybe wallace, i mean i would rather trade wallace than batum

by TheShougPanther5 on Jun 21, 2011 9:01 PM PDT reply actions  

The only way Portland Trades him is for a player like Lebron?

What Nicolas Batum are you talking about? I DEFINITELY want that guy if he commands Lebron-like talent in return in a trade!

by Blazers4ever on Jun 22, 2011 2:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

my take is that most don't want to trade nic, but since we need to get a more long-term

solution at PG and Nic is so highly coveted and now he’s not going to be our starter at SF, his greatest value to the team MIGHT be as a trade chip. I don’t want to see him go, but he might be the piece in a trade that gets us the PG that puts us at the next level. With all of that said, I would be surprised if he were traded.

by JAWKS on Jun 21, 2011 9:20 PM PDT reply actions  

My first thought of all of these trade Batum comments/posts is

what happens when Wallace gets hurt next year? Because he almost always does during any given season. Having both those guys at the small forward position makes it the only position in the rotation that doesn’t need work this off season. I would love if the Blazers went all of next year with Babbit ’s only playing time being during garbage time.

by brobot on Jun 21, 2011 9:42 PM PDT reply actions  

Yep

Like Batum too. He also wanted to take shots at the end of close games in the second half of the season last year. A rare commodity for this group.

by gunballs on Jun 21, 2011 9:43 PM PDT reply actions  

Batum's value will never be higher

He will never start ahead of Wallace and the more he sits behind Wallace the more value he will lose.

Mathews IMO opinion is an adequate backup at SF and I would be willing to gamble that someone among Roy, Williams, and Fernandez hopefully will emerge to claim significant minutes at shooting guard. If Batum can be traded now for a longterm starter at another position, its a no brainer.

by chemistrymajor on Jun 21, 2011 9:48 PM PDT reply actions  

wait

He will never start ahead of Wallace?

I disagree. I think he could easily start ahead of Wallace, if he was more consistent. That’s only a matter of experience. Just because Wallace is an all star doesn’t mean we should trade a player with Nic’s potential. We did the same thing with Jermaine O’Neal.

"Sasha? That's a sissy name." -Mike Rice

by koyote on Jun 21, 2011 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

O'neal

was a breakout … he was not near Nic’s value or talent until we moved him. With Nic, we know hes got talent and potential.

"Tommy: Did you hear I finally graduated?
Richard Hayden: Yeah, and just a shade under a decade too. All right. "

by jbay4 on Jun 21, 2011 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK. When Wallace retires (3 years or more?) Batum could start.

Wallace starts because he is more consistent, and because he is a better rebounder, a better passer, a better scorer, a better defender (because he is more consistent), and a leader. Batum is a marginally better 3 point shooter overall, but has not proven to be better in the clutch. If Batum was even a top 10 small forward there would have been no trade for Wallace. Those assets would have been used to address another need.

I like Batum too, and he may also be an all-star one day, but he is redundant luxury. A PGOTF or a replacement for Camby (who has only one more year on his contract) will result in more wins this year, next year, and the year after that. And winning games is what’s its all about.

by chemistrymajor on Jun 21, 2011 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think many people are as eager to trade Batum as they are to balance the roster.

Our roster is a mess. And Batum is the only valuable commodity that does not have a starting role on the team as currently constructed. We need a back up PG. We need a center (Camby looked really old this season, and Oden’s on the shelf until January at least). We need a backup center. We need a backup power forward. We can’t possibly fill all those needs with the 21st pick.

Something is going to be done. All the trade posts (which should be going in the Trade Drawer by the way) are trying to guess how that might happen.

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by T Darkstar on Jun 21, 2011 9:54 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

nic struggled from downtown last season, and his defense was overrated

while we shouldn’t trade him just to trade him, it would be foolish to refuse to move him

FIRE BUCHANAN!!

by thomasikehara on Jun 21, 2011 9:54 PM PDT reply actions  

obviously

the roster as it stands right now is not working. It needs BALANCE, if trading BATUM is that BALANCE, I’m all for it if it makes sense and it’s the right player. I’m not into gambling on players just to make a trade. I like Batum, but we don’t need another Outlaw situation on our hands. Not that Nic isn’t already better than Outlaw ever was, but still we could have traded Outlaw and parts for something instead of nothing. Dangle Nic and see what rises to the surface. If it makes sense, pull the trigger. Nic’s going to rot on the bench and become disgruntled if the continues to hear all the talk about other teams wanting him and he just sits on the bench. Find out at least.

Get busy livin', or get busy dyin'. -the shawshank redemption.

by pdxborn on Jun 21, 2011 9:59 PM PDT reply actions  

I considered this my wake up call!

You put us all on notice! Batum is here to stay, let the record show that It’s calling like bells, refreshing sounds and smells
carelessly aged
fossils and shells
waiting
in wishing wells.

dinasour type of guys choir boys

by mittsabishy on Jun 21, 2011 10:01 PM PDT reply actions  

nico's de was overratted yea!

that’s why he guards both dirk, kobe, and chris paul or rose

by prof.mike on Jun 21, 2011 10:02 PM PDT reply actions  

this is the difference between "fan" and realist
he’s a smart player who plays lock down D, drains threes and occassionally posterize someone (Pau Gasol haha TWICE), and will stuff you if you try to score on him

he doesn’t play “lockdown defense” – he’s a good defender, but he’s not a lockdown guy, he’s nowhere near the level of defender a guy like Ron Artest was in his prime

He does hit the occasional open threes, but he’s not a consistent shooter. Also, he can’t create his shot off the dribble, and isn’t an effective penetrator.

Will stuff you if you try to score on him? He averaged a whopping 0.6 blocks per game – yeah he’s a big time shotblocker

Look, I like Nic Batum, and I’m not in a hurry to trade him. The statements above might sounds negative, but they’re actually truth. Right now he’s a 22 year old with potential – but at some point he becomes a 25 year old that still can’t drive, can’t score off the dribble, and isn’t a totally elite defender. When grading guys in the draft, college seniors (22 years old also) are considered limited on potential because of their age, and we shouldn’t treat Batum any differently. He’s a decent young player, but he holds more value around the league than he’s really worth – so if we can turn him into a good player at a position of need – you do it

by rip_city_swagger on Jun 21, 2011 10:07 PM PDT reply actions  

you sound like a guy describing LaMarcus last summer, around this time"soft and inconsistent"

then he broke out .

but you did being up strong points about Batum that I was saying all season, “he is a good defender, not great and isn’t very consistent.”

my one problem with these Batum trades that you here about, they all seem to be for Steve Nash. What! the guy is 37 YEARS OLD TURNING 38 THIS UP COMING SEASON, he only has a few season left in him, i know that they will be a good few season, but batum has 12-15 season in him and his weakness can be fix, nash can’t be, time will run out for him.

by Daddygr33nJeans on Jun 21, 2011 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okay..

I love Nic, but to get a PG that can lead us to that Championship.. he probably has to go

"Tommy: Did you hear I finally graduated?
Richard Hayden: Yeah, and just a shade under a decade too. All right. "

by jbay4 on Jun 21, 2011 10:24 PM PDT reply actions  

You could say Tony paker in 07

the 89 and 90 pistons had thomas and the 80’s Lakers had Magic

When you bring up Teams led by PG to the Championship it’s hard to say, because were the spur of 07 led by Paker or were they well round, same with the pistons and lakers

by Daddygr33nJeans on Jun 21, 2011 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's not often that *one* guy leads a team to a ring

Dirk is rightly praised for carrying a Mavs team to a title with no other all star.

Kobe couldn’t do it, he needed Shaq and later Gasol
Duncan couldn’t do it, he needed Parker and Manu or earlier, Robinson
You could make an argument for 2006 Wade because Shaq was pretty old by then
The Celtics had a big 3
The Pistons were a star-less team
Jordan had Pippen
You could make an argument for Hakeem

Suffice to say, it’s very rare that one guy leads a team to a championship. I don’t think it’s fair to single out the point guard position; it’s insanely hard to do to begin with.

#52

by Magnum on Jun 22, 2011 3:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well without

J kidd or barea, Mavs would have gotten killed by us in the first round. Tony Parker and the spurs in 07.. as he was the finals MVP? 03-04 Pistons, Billups. Isiah thomas? pistons.. must i go on?

"Tommy: Did you hear I finally graduated?
Richard Hayden: Yeah, and just a shade under a decade too. All right. "

by jbay4 on Jun 21, 2011 10:31 PM PDT reply actions  

please

Dirk led the Mavs to a championship. Same as Kobe, Pierce/Garnett, Duncan, O’Neal, Duncan, Jordan, Bird, Kareem, etc. Point guards are overrated.

"Sasha? That's a sissy name." -Mike Rice

by koyote on Jun 21, 2011 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

So is Lebron and Dwight Howard.

Is Rajon Rondo? nope.. Dfish? nope..

"Tommy: Did you hear I finally graduated?
Richard Hayden: Yeah, and just a shade under a decade too. All right. "

by jbay4 on Jun 21, 2011 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

haha oh really?

Give Chris Paul another all star… he wins the championship. Give Allen iverson in his prime somebody to pass to? so does he. You must build around a PG. period. When did Pierce when his Champs? Soon as Rondo came ..
Kobe is an exception. top3 player of all time. who also had a top 3 center of all time. Then had a allstar and dominant center in pau and Bynum.
Jordan? Greatest player of all time.
Duncan? Tony.
Bird played many years ago. league is very different now.
Kareem had a TON of talent around him.
Your logic is unreasonable. As all the players you listed had multiple all stars on the team except Jordan and Bird.

"Tommy: Did you hear I finally graduated?
Richard Hayden: Yeah, and just a shade under a decade too. All right. "

by jbay4 on Jun 21, 2011 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's practically a no-brainer. Either Batum or Wallace is going to go. The roster is WAY out of BAlaNcE

and neither Nic nor Wallace are PF’s. We can’t afford to have so much trade value at one position when we have so many other needs. Who goes just depends on which brings in the best deal. My guess is that Nic will go because he is over-valued right now by some teams, but he won’t be over-valued after another season of coming off the bench behind Wallace.

"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jun 21, 2011 10:37 PM PDT reply actions  

couldn't you trade Mattews and play Batum or wallaces at the 2

Roy being out 40 games a year for his career and no one trust rudy, either Batum or Wallace would be perfect there . Trade Andre and Wes thats 12 on the low and 14 or 15 on the high contract wise for the player that it would given you.

by Daddygr33nJeans on Jun 21, 2011 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd agree that SF is currently the best position with good depth and the right mix of cheap young player and more expensive vet in prime

So I’m not exactly eager to open up a new construction site, even if Batum could be our most valuable tradeable asset in terms of player value and not just contract value. Leave Britney, err, Batum, alone!

by Norsktroll on Jun 21, 2011 10:39 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

just wait guys

batum is going to have a breakout year very soon, maybe like a lamarcus, cause chances are wallace will get hurt, and someone will need to step up. who else but batum? and one of the best things about him is he won’t take up much cap space. what portland should do is re-sign him immediately before he breaks out, to a long term deal to lock him up for the future with a salary working in portlands favor.

by TheShougPanther5 on Jun 22, 2011 12:05 AM PDT reply actions  

Two things people are not talking about about

Batum can be traded for another young player. Jrue Holliday being one of my favorites

Sign Batum to an extension and trade him. This would allow more salary to come back in return potentially netting us both a point guard and a veteran big man.

by Oden Mad, Oden Smash! on Jun 22, 2011 12:20 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Getting a serviceable backup 4 benefits two of our best players, Wallace and LMA.

Wallace is a pure 3, don’t stick him at the 4 where he’s less effective and will get beat up.
That’ll also save wear and tear on LMA. So, get Faried or whoever as a backup 4, now.
Another 5 and a PGOTF would be nice, too, but I’m trying not to get greedy.
OK, let’s get greedy. Trade Batum for a 5/4 and risk the lack of depth caused at the 2/3. Or trade Wesley instead. Either one you trade, you risk a repeat of the “we traded Fat Lever and kept Darnell” scenario. I’m rambling. I know very little.

by thaisteve on Jun 22, 2011 12:29 AM PDT reply actions  

don't trade Batum for a "serviceable backup 4"

Those types can be drafted or found as free agents. Only trade Batum if it gets you a young pg that fits well with the team.

by 52therim on Jun 22, 2011 1:03 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I agree 52.

I am so obsessed with having GW and LMA play their proper positions and proper minutes that i didn’t even say what to get for Nico. (I meant draft Faried, BTW) Actually, I probably undervalue Batum more than many on this board so I don’t have high hopes for good trade value. Too much inconsistency, too many disappearing acts. I mean, haven’t we seen enough to extrapolate with some accuracy? But I was ready to trade LMA last year so WDIK.

by thaisteve on Jun 22, 2011 3:58 AM PDT reply actions  

batum is an average nba sf

he ranks #17 amongst nba sf’s according to per (14.85). he actually took a significant step back last year, which is a very bad sign.

the only reason he has high trade value is because of potential.

if you’re going to project a player to dramatically improve their game and consistency, you have to take their motor, work ethic and personality into account. what we’ve seen from batum over the past 3 seasons is that he’s willing to take a back seat to his teammates and willing to take plays off. it’s not a great sign.

add to that the roster imbalance and the need to make a serious push, i think batum is a great trade chip. i would be ecstatic to still have him on the team, because i love rooting for the guy, but if you’re the gm, you have to take a long look at the trade offers.

by SaveOden on Jun 22, 2011 5:00 AM PDT reply actions  

Just remember, it takes two to trade.

And all the talk about moving Batum for a PG ignores the fact that the only two PG’s anyone seems to have much interest in, Felton and Harris, don’t seem to have teams willing to take what we’ve got. Further, Batum alone may not get us into the lottery, and even if he does, the top two are likely to be gone by the 7th pick, and Batum won’t get you there either. So, if this is the criteria, it seems to me that Batum will be around.

by Eben Calder on Jun 22, 2011 6:21 AM PDT reply actions  

Who can you get for Miller, Wallace and Rudy?

Just thinking out loud here…serious dollars in this proposal. If you like Batum and want to keep him; the Blazers were better with Wallace no doubt but…..

You can observe a lot just by watching.
-- Yogi Berra

by Rick C in Tigard on Jun 22, 2011 7:09 AM PDT reply actions  

I would seriously hate it if we traded Batum and Miller for Nash!

I’d rather we traded Wallace than Batum and I am really shocked that that many feel that way. Gerald may have been an All-Star but he will never be one again but Batum has a chance to become one someone soon.
Plus Nash has what like 2 years left and its not like he can play 35 minutes a night. If we had him then we’d have to nurse him along like we do with Roy, Oden and Camby. Thats almost half the rotation questionable for every game. Not a pleasant thought plus there is Wallace’s problem with getting his head knocked out to worry about too.
Batum has to stay unless we get an All-Star that is under 30 at least.

by VinnyB on Jun 22, 2011 7:27 AM PDT reply actions  

Lotta Money

Put Wallace, Miller and Rudy’s salaries at about 19 – 20 mil/yr Expiring contract, young shooter and a decent veteran. It seems GM’s look for these kind of deals.

You can observe a lot just by watching.
-- Yogi Berra

by Rick C in Tigard on Jun 22, 2011 7:48 AM PDT reply actions  

dump

We gotta dump 1 of the 3 Rudy, Batum or Wesley. we can’t have 3 key players who can’t make an open shot from 3. to me, Rudy goes as he provides only shooting. Both Wesley and Batum provide hustle and have room to grow. Rudy has maxed out in my opinion already. He gets killed on defense, but his steals hid the fact he gets lost and misses assignments.

Batums shot is more consistent, but until he drives to the hoop, he won’t get better. Wallace, Batum and Aldridge has great potential for challenging people. Pair them with a Oden and Roy at 20+ min a game and that’s a heck of a lineup that can defend anyone athletically. If Armon can develop a jumper and go right, then he can fit in this scheme really well.

Nates Defense is predicated on Switching and athleticism versus actual defensive talent.

by roosterray on Jun 22, 2011 8:41 AM PDT reply actions  

everyone is up for trade

why not trade batum…I know its hard to watch a guy develop then to let him go, he becomes like family but Batum is not an all star or will be anytime soon. he is an average NBA player…I dont see the thinking that say Batum is untouchable..everyone is..would most of give LA for Howard? ok then. doesn’t mean he dont like the guy!

by Danvegas on Jun 22, 2011 9:04 AM PDT reply actions  

Batum is certainly tradeable

we can’t overvalue players like Batum, especially when there are certain ways to improve our team.

"There's my Chippy"

by sparks89 on Jun 22, 2011 10:36 AM PDT reply actions  

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