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Here's Dwight Jaynes' follow piece on the trade idea. It's not very insightful. He applauds the Steve Nash idea (yuck), mentions Felton, who would be an ok consolation prize if we were getting something more, Johnny Flynn (seriously?), and Tony Parker...along with Antonio McDyess, who I'm pretty sure saw was going to retire, but Parker would be my number 1 choice outside of Deron Williams if it were possible.

Obviously these are my opinions, feel free to form your own. I'm not sure why Devin Harris isn't mentioned when Utah is shopping him so hard right now, and I'm surprised he doesn't mention Chris Paul....lol.

http://www.csnnw.com/pages/landingdwight?Getting-down-to-business-what-sort-of-ve=1&blockID=536374

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Not a terrible article. At least Dwight realizes why we need to get rid of Andre Miller this week.

Besides his awful outside shooting that allows defenses to clog our paint, and his inability to defend quick PGs, his legendary slow starts will see the season nearly over before he gets going next year if the lockout lasts until Jan (my prediction).

"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jun 21, 2011 3:54 PM PDT reply actions  

There wasn't much of a slow start for him this season

I think he found out that McMillan has different expectations. Regardless, if Portland doesn’t cash him in now, they might be shooting themselves in the foot.

by Eric Loftin on Jun 21, 2011 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope they re-up 'Dre

if for nothing else to rattle your cage, again

Undisputable fact: there would have been no playoffs for Portland the last 2 years without Miller starting at PG. (But perhaps you think rolling the dice in the lottery would have been a better outcome than winning 4 playoff games, from a long-term perspective?)

but flip Miller this week and the lottery could be in the team’s future again, as early as next June. Roy sure isn’t going to bail them out, and LMA’s game will suffer from day one after the lockout, without Andre around feeding him those high-percentage lob passes

I’d still take Tony Parker, but I doubt the Spurs will be so generous—maybe if Buch offered them Gerald Wallace?

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jun 21, 2011 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Undisputable fact: there would have been no playoffs for Portland the last 2 years without Miller starting at PG.

Undisputable fact: We would have won just as many playoff series had we not been in the playoffs at all.

(But perhaps you think rolling the dice in the lottery would have been a better outcome than winning 4 playoff games, from a long-term perspective?)

Not just to get into the lottery this year (which I think we would have traded away anyway). What I said prior to the trade deadline this year is that had Cho been able to trade Miller for something of value we would have won in 2 ways. (I tend to believe the rumors that was what Cho tried to do but just couldn’t fine a good enough deal.) We would have got something for Miller (it would have had to be a younger veteran player or a future 2012 lottery pick for me to make a Miller deal then) and then our own pick this year would have been a lottery pick that we could be dealing now with Batum or Wallace for a proven veteran or a high pick this year if we were convinced there is a starter in the draft (that we could reach) this year.

As I said in Feb we weren’t going to win a playoff series with this years team anyway. So it was time to prepare for Oden’s real return in the 2012-13 season. Oden won’t be back in really productive shape next year. The next window with Oden opens in 2012-13. I expect Paul Allen to throw the cash box at Oden after the lockout ends and sign him to a 4-yr deal (hopefully with a 5th year team option). Paul is going to realize (I expect he already has – but perhaps Cho didn’t agree) that this team has no chance to contend in the next 2-3 years without Oden, and he will spend what it takes to try to keep him. The question is – does Oden want to come back to PDX? If not, he may just sign the QO and leave next summer no matter how much Paul offers now. But I’m hoping his agent will tell him to take a big guaranteed contract from Allen after the lockout based on his injury history.

"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jun 21, 2011 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

too bad the guy who likely agreed with your roster strategy

was shown the door last month

the adversary to your plan is the team’s owner

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jun 22, 2011 7:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

we agree about the lockout lasting the Jan, BTW

all the more reason to bring back a veteran PG who is familiar with the system, instead of a new guy learning on the fly with an abbreviated training camp and unfamiliar teammates. The team could get off to a slow start (similar to how they struggled following the Wallace trade?) and quickly be out of the top 8 in the WC with little time to make up the lost ground

BTW, Nate’s teams have stuggled in Oct-Nov even before Miller joined the roster. Not a good sign for next Jan, but perhaps if McMillian doesn’t get it done again next year Paul will realize that a coaching change is necessary?

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jun 21, 2011 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

My thinking is that next year is the year to get everything ready for a contending run in 2012-13.

It’s may still be possible to work everything out so that last year becomes simply a one year delay in last summer’s path to becoming a contender again. We never thought last summer that we would be a contender last year, but we thought we would be preparing the ground to become a contender this year. Well, that didn’t happen. But now we need to do the right things to prepare next year for becoming that contender in 2012-13.

The key of course is Oden, as I discussed above. We MUST re-sign him to a long term contract at all cost. I think Paul will get that, and based on Paul’s understanding of his own mortality and desire to still win a Blazer championship, I expect Paul to pay whatever is necessary. The issue is whether Oden wants out of PDX so badly he will prefer to sign the QO and get out of here. If so, we will be looking at a complete blow-it-up rebuilding effort starting next summer.

BUT if he can re-sign Oden then I believe we can prepare now and next season for a contending run in 2012-13. Next season would be to bring Oden back starting in Jan or Feb and gradually rebuild his conditioning and work on his NBA skills (which he never got developed) for the rest of the year. In the process we move out Miller and find the point guard we need for the following 3-4 years. Now is the perfect time to move Miller while his contract is still un-guaranteed for next year. We should try to trade him now with Batum, Wallace, or Matthews to get a PG. Then move one of the remaining two of them for the SF/SG shooter that we failed to get last summer.

It rather amazing but we went into last summer needing a PG and a shooter. We didn’t get either one and we still need a PG and shooter. We went into last summer thinking Oden would be back, but not up to full speed for most of the year. Now we think Oden will be back next year, and again not up to full speed next year. The things that have really changed is that Roy is no longer what he was (and that is a very big thing) but LMA is much closer to what we need at PF than most people thought possible a year ago. I’m not say that LMA totally balances the loss of Roy’s game, but it is something to build off of, especially if he can make another jump this year. But we did accomplish something since the start of last summer. We now have Matthews (who has some trade value) and we have Wallace (thank you Rich Cho or Larry Miller or whoever). That gives us some trading chips we didn’t have last summer.

So it’s time now (and after the lockout) to make the moves we wanted to make last summer. Replace Matthews with a consistent outside shooter and move Miller (with Batum or Wallace) for a younger PG we can build with over the next 3-4 years. And of course get Oden re-signed to a long term deal. That’s the prescription for re-building our hopes of becoming a contender without doing a complete rebuild of the team. This would be my plan and what I have been saying since last Feb.

"You're not too smart, are you? I like that in a man." - Matty Walker in Body Heat (1981)

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Jun 21, 2011 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

LMA will suffer offensive shrinkage without 'Dre

unless the front office replaces him with a pass-first PG with similar court vision

I’m notsure this front office can stumble upon another one of those, like they did as a 4th FA option in the summer of ’09

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by two4larue on Jun 22, 2011 7:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

good article

though getting rid of batum or wallace for anyone realistically possible in return seems like a huge step backwards.
 ive said it before, the SF position is near perfect-an allstar starter and a legit high ceiling cheap backup-don’t mess with it. if every position were filled that way there’s no limit to the production possible.

by extraneous solutions on Jun 21, 2011 4:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Getting better balance is better IMO

If I accept your premise about the state of our SF position then why would I not prefer to have another good player in a position we are not as strong in lieu of the current state?

by ebnerblazer on Jun 21, 2011 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dallas won with depth

I’d prefer to add talent to the roster, not rob Peter to pay Paul

Crash isn’t going to last forever, he and Batum can def be on the floor at the same time

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by two4larue on Jun 21, 2011 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I still don't think Jaynes words really mean anything.

I thought Rudy would be the perfect 6th man. Come back Ruuudy!

by llamaiguana on Jun 21, 2011 5:45 PM PDT reply actions  

when he predicts something, the opposite happens

so in that respect, he’s a useful weathervane

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by two4larue on Jun 21, 2011 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

with an emphasis on "vain"

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jun 21, 2011 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think if you're going to use this site to insult someone you need to be a little more fair.

Dwight can be very insightful at times. I clearly remember him being the first person to say we needed to trade Rudy back when his stock was high because he was never going to work out in Portland. And at the time everyone said he was a moron.

Turns out he was 100% spot on.

Not saying you have to like the guy but claiming that he is completely wrong about everything is the kind of comment that doesn’t really add to the conversation and thus wastes everyone’s time.

by biggfish02 on Jun 22, 2011 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure why Devin Harris isn’t mentioned when Utah is shopping him so hard right now

the Jazz are not going to deal with Portland, the reason why should be obvious

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jun 21, 2011 7:18 PM PDT reply actions  

It depends on where Utah thinks they are

Are they rebuilding or retooling? If they’re rebuilding, they’ll go with the best deal available, regardless of division.

by Eric Loftin on Jun 21, 2011 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

i don't think division

more about the amount of times we screw them

by Daddygr33nJeans on Jun 22, 2011 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

^this

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Jun 22, 2011 6:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

I do agree with that

And they’ll probably hold a grudge

by Eric Loftin on Jun 22, 2011 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

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