Blowing up the Heat?
by Rogue Blazer on Jun 13, 2011 8:34 AM PDT
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In the wake of Miami's loss, I'm wondering (and I'm sure I'm not alone) whether the Heat's experiment with the Big 3 (or Big 2.5) will survive. It seems that there isn't enough ego-room or elbow-room on the court for these three players. Dallas wins with team basketball, and the Heat suffer.
Is it time for the Heat to trade one of the Big 3 and go after a few solid players in exchange? Could their team be better without so much star-power? I think so.
Bosh for ??
Trading LeBron James?
Not sure if Wade is going anywhere, but Wade sure showed more heart than James in the series.
Speculate away, friends, but I'm voting in favor of Bosh or James being offered for trade to strengthen the team.
How does the new CBA figure in? Could the new CBA block or discourage breaking up the Heat?
Will be interesting to see whether the Heat can stay in the kitchen and keep the Big 3 together after their implosion.
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I doubt it....
The Heat won the Eastern Conference. I’m sure that’s little solace to them right now. But the truth is, even “as is” The Heat are one of the true contenders in the league. CBA, lock-out looming, I’m sure their will be some repercussions from falling short of the goal, which for a team made up of Lebron, Wade and Bosh certainly is winning a N.B.A. Championship. But I doubt it will take the form of “Blowing The Heat Up”.
I might expect some role players, some tweaks. I like Spoelstra so as a coach I hope he doesn’t become the sacrificial lamb…but he might. But I don’t expect Miami to touch any of the principals with the big 3. In short? Miami IS Wade, Lebron and Bosh…those 3 have come together to win a championship. First try? FAIL. I think there will be fall-out, but I don’t expect a dismantling of the core.
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
knee-jerk reaction
You see a lot of this with today’s 24 hour news cycle. We want to over analyze, break down, and react to every event. The Heat made the finals, the team around the big 3 will be made better. It’s this same mentality that lead people to think Nic Batum won’t get any better, or that Dallas couldn’t win a title with Dirk as the centerpiece. Miami is just fine (provided Lebron wakes up next finals he’s in).
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on Jun 13, 2011 9:30 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Not even a trade of LBJ for Dwight Howard? I’m not convinced that Wade and LeBron fit together.
I see what you’re saying, but I think that LeBron’s baggage might become too heavy for the Heat. It will indeed be interesting to speculate and to see what actually unfolds. :-)
Brandon Roy is The Man Your Man Could Smell Like
I mean if they can get Dwight Howard that's one thing
but I’m not convinced that they won’t win championships with their current core…in fact, I expect them to despite being beaten by Dallas this season. Let’s not forget this was their first year together and it’s probably the worst supporting cast we’ll see them with.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
LeBron and Wade both had near MVP quality seasons.
Can’t work together? Not sure I agree with that at all. LBJ for DH they might have to listen to. Anything else elicits laughter or a hang-up.
Blow up the team? LOL!
The Heat just made the Finals and you’re already talking about blowing it up? By blow it up I assume you mean trading away one of the big three. Not gonna happen. Not in a million years. At least not this offseason. Riley will “wait ’till next year” before doing that. Bosh would be the only player in that group who he would even remotely consider offers for. Prior to that we’ll see what he can trade some of the senior citizens on his team for, plus the MLE.
"You know, when you are in the game, you hear 20,000 people behind you, you don't feel anything."
- Nicolas Batum on playing through his shoulder injury during the 2010 playoffs.
I was hoping that this wasn't a trade thread myself.
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The only move you make involving the big 3 if you are Miami is
Is Bosh for Dwight Howard.
I loved when Bush came out and said, "We are losing the war against drugs." You know what that implies? There's a war being fought, and the people on drugs are winning it. --- William Melvin "Bill" Hicks
Actually I was thinking Lebron for Howard
Wade is still the star of this team, so let him stick with the 4th quarter heroics, and Bosh and Howard would be an amazing tandem together. Bosh would finally be used as he should.
Portland could coast along with their superior talent and stay right with us. Now that Portland woke up, the hammer cometh down.
Bayless > Daffy Duck after 3 cans of rockstar
by Batumshakalaka on Jun 13, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
LeBron is the best player in the league and has been for about 4 years now. He is also younger and has a better track record of durability than Wade. A few bad quarters at horrible times this year doesn’t change that. To put Wade ahead of LeBron in the pecking order would be purely a sentimental decision, not basketball related.
i keep dancing on my own.
Not knowing how to perform under pressure is basketball related.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
by mittsabishy on Jun 13, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Despite the poor performances in 4th quarters in the finals, on the whole deciding for Wade over LeBron would be a disastrous decision from a basketball perspective.
i keep dancing on my own.
i personally think getting rid of either one is idiotic.
but LeBron has shown that until he figures out some things mentally, he isn’t capable of leading a team.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
i take it you did not watch the ECF
FIRE BUCHANAN!!
by thomasikehara on Jun 13, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
or the '07 ECF
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
i saw highlights of 07.
If duder rains in pull up threes above his normal percentage he looks unstoppable. he hits jumpers, takes it to the rack, draws fouls, plays inspired D…
but when those first outside don’t fall, he gets passive and pouty.
he might physically be the greatest player in the nba right now, but he’s not even top twenty mentally.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
I agree
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Yeah sorry you're overrating LeBron.
He’s an amazing athlete and a gifted player, but Wade has proven himself to be amazing under pressure while LeBron has continually faltered when put in those similar situations. I personally think that Wade + Bosh + Howard is more of a championship contender than Wade + James + Bosh.
The smarter you are, the more likely you are to be tripping balls at any given moment.
Draft Nikola Vucevic
Even if you consider James’ superior productivity to be canceled by his recent late-game issues (I don’t—give me the better player over the course of the season and I’ll figure out how to make it work in 4th quarters) the scale is clearly tipped by LeBron being almost three years younger and having a far less extensive injury history. That makes him a much better bet over the next 5 years.
i keep dancing on my own.
wade amazing under pressure....WHAT
in game 5, wade missed the game winning free throw, then fumbled away the inbound pass at the end of the game
in game 6, he dribbles it off his foot TWICE in the 4th quarter
dont tell me that wade proved him self amazing under pressure
FIRE BUCHANAN!!
by thomasikehara on Jun 13, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
wade bosh howard dont get to the finals
you forget how big lebron was down the stretch in that series,
FIRE BUCHANAN!!
by thomasikehara on Jun 13, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
overated
Lebron wants to be the star unless its the the forth quarter then its hot potato time! I just dont see wade and him winning multiple championships together, maybe 1 or 2 in the mext 6 yrs. they both want the ball and lead….I dont think trading him is all that bad…though my money would be on bosh in a Howard deal…Riley is an amazing coach and good GM at what point does he go,. "Labron is not worth all the headache is it being this hated for…..the heat have become the most hated team in sports!!
you also missed the ECF apparently
FIRE BUCHANAN!!
by thomasikehara on Jun 13, 2011 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions
ECF means something in soccer
i was not aware
FIRE BUCHANAN!!
by thomasikehara on Jun 14, 2011 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I disagree
Wade has a killer instinct. LeBron does not.
Jordan was talented… but what really set him apart is how hungrily he wanted to kill his opponents. You saw that in 2006 before wade suffered injuries. I’d 100% take wade over lebron because lebron just doesn’t have the fire.
"The game was delayed for over 15 minutes with 5:07 left in the second quarter after France's Nicolas Batum, who plays for the Portland Trail Blazers, dunked and twisted the rim. Volunteers and officials scrambled to put a new rim on the basket and reattach a net."
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/olybb/news/story?id=5509394
To be fair,
I’d hardly consider losing in game 6 in the finals ‘an implosion’
I mean, we were shooting to make it half that far this year.
Q: "Why are the Heat losing?"
'Dre: "That's for them to figure out. We did our job."
by Oh. Em. Gee. on Jun 13, 2011 11:27 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
The Heat will only get better
Because guys like Bibby will get replaced.
Bibby
is just the worst.
Q: "Why are the Heat losing?"
'Dre: "That's for them to figure out. We did our job."
by Oh. Em. Gee. on Jun 13, 2011 12:05 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Mills could be the new and improved Bibby
He certainly couldn’t be worse and he would cost much less. Mills will never fit in with Portland under McMuffin, so let trade him ASAP.
He's an RFA we can't trade him.
The smarter you are, the more likely you are to be tripping balls at any given moment.
Draft Nikola Vucevic
Mills the new Bibby?
Bibby has been the point guard for multiple playoff teams, We’d be sitting pretty if Patty was anywhere near Bibby’s level
Say it ain't Cho
by Sean in Vancouver on Jun 13, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Bibby then =/= Bibby now
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
mills is the new old bibby
FIRE BUCHANAN!!
by thomasikehara on Jun 13, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
as long as that distinction is made, lol
Say it ain't Cho
by Sean in Vancouver on Jun 13, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Outside of a few games here and there....
Marion slowed or shut G Wallace, Ron Ron, KD and Lebron.
WOW. Miami just needs to make a few tweaks and hope Marion isn’t on the other end next time they are in the FINALS.
by loyal_blazer on Jun 13, 2011 11:48 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I agree.
Matrix Reloaded was key to the title. Not only was his defense on stars solid but his little shotput running hook flipshot came in at some key moments.
I loved when Bush came out and said, "We are losing the war against drugs." You know what that implies? There's a war being fought, and the people on drugs are winning it. --- William Melvin "Bill" Hicks
think marion was main reason lebron stopped even trying to drive, though in game 5 when marion switched off with terry i had thought lebron might try to take over
lebron being unable to come close to containing terry the last 2 games was a big deal as well.
a few yrs makes a difference
if the heat dont get it done in the next few yrs, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Labron a laker…not to mention with or at least Howard there…..look what a difference makes in the NBA…
this is just silly
"Well, you can always sell your team."
by douglast on Jun 13, 2011 12:08 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Assumming that the CBA is anywhere near where the current rumors are
eg. 45-50 million hard cap, and “super-amnesty”
I think that Bosh will be traded or “amnestied”. Trading would make more sense, but would require replacing most of his salary, which is why I wouldnt be surprised to see the Heat use amnesty on him.
Say it ain't Cho
by Sean in Vancouver on Jun 13, 2011 1:02 PM PDT reply actions
Miami will be fine if there's a hard cap, since there'll have to be immediate rollbacks in current salaries.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
if they add samuel dalembert next year
watch out :O
Draft Reggie Jackson/Justin Harper/Kenneth Faried
Sign Reggie Williams/Kenyon Martin
Trade for Anthony Randolph
No, that loser hack should retire.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
if he retired when he should have he would never have played in an NBA finals
plus he made 7 figures this year.
I’d hang on as long as I could if it were me.
#52
You're right, Magnum.
I should’ve wrote that teams should stop employing that ancient hack.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
They will not be getting rid of Bosh or LeBron. The Big 3 experiment is still underway. As some posters above have said, this is a knee jerk reaction and is just plain silly.
by Jonathan Wright on Jun 13, 2011 1:20 PM PDT reply actions
Exactly, it's a nutty, senseless overreaction.
Total rubbish.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
the heat steam rolled through the eastern conference in the first year with 5 brand new teamates
i think they will be fine
FIRE BUCHANAN!!
by thomasikehara on Jun 13, 2011 1:34 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Really depends a bit on how the next CBA looks like
The harder the cap, the more likely they’ll have to move one of the big 3 at some point. If there is still a mid-level exception and the cap only gets lower and harder over time, there is no need to make drastic moves. They can just add a quality guy plus minimum salary vets and the occasional draft pick every year with the MLE (plus re-sign Chalmers this year who is in the Oden situation yet his QO is dirt cheap).
As for their roster construction, most of the guys are signed through the 2013-14 season (Wade, LeBron, Bosh, Miller, Haslem, Anthony; with JJ expiring one year earlier).
Miami lost because:
LBJ showed his immaturity — he’ll get over it!
Miller and Haslam missed most the season — much better teamwork next year
The other 7 didn’t do much — which free agents won’t want to sign with Heat for less $$$?
Conclusion: Pat Riley will continue to add a great supporting cast + the team will continue to improve = likely champions next year.
Chalmers three point shooting surprised me;
He shot like Wesley: make a couple, make a lot; miss a couple, disappear.
He was their most effective defender on Barea. Is he their PGOTF or, in their eyes, a trade asset?
Chalmers is a gamer
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
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In Cleveland when the discussion rolls around to "blowing up the Heat"...
It doesn’t mean trading a player or two.
by 52therim on Jun 13, 2011 7:02 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
actually thought bosh played reasonably well against dallas
he did disappear at times in the earlier series’
I think Bosh has taken unwarranted flack this year.
With 3 stars on a team, which he is admittedly the least of, someone has to step back a bit. He still posted solid numbers and won several games for them. He had some huge games too when LBJ or Wade were a bit off. I would trade any Blazer not named LaMarcus for him, and I’m not even sure my reluctance there is anything more than Homerism.
no, he deserves it.
take a step back in scoring? okay.
but as the only one of the “big 3” who is a big, he shouldn’t have played a shrinking violet inside. his rebounding was way down, blocks were down and he stopped posting up.
having a power forward who shoots outlet jumpers is okay, but not when he’s one of your three superstars and not when you have no other inside threat.
lamarcus stole his mojo this year…
Even the announcers ignore Bosh
They say “Duane Wade, LeBron James, and the Miami Heat are in town to … blah, blah”
Brandon Roy is The Man Your Man Could Smell Like
by Rogue Blazer on Jun 14, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, in all fairness to Chris Bosh, he was a more statistically productive #1 option in Toronto than ...
LaMarcus Aldridge has been in Portland. For proof, view Bosh’s age 25 season last year and Aldridge’s age 25 season this year: http://bkref.com/tiny/BHXiW
I also feel pretty safe in assuming that Aldridge would’ve wilted in Miami like a flower without sunlight if he played next to LeBron James and Dwyane Wade. Like Bosh, Aldridge would’ve withered away as an ancillary option. I’d argue even more so than Bosh, though, as y’all’ve seen what happens with Aldridge when he steps aside for somebody else — such as Brandon Roy, who doesn’t hold a candle to James or Wade — and fades to the background.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
interesting point, but may i offer up another point...
LAMARCUS ALDRIDGE RULEZ AND CHRIS BOSH DROOLZ!!!
It would be monumentally stupid to blow up the heat
but trading Bosh for better depth might not be a bad idea. I’m sure there’s a 2 for 1 or 3 for 1 trade out there worth thinking about.
#52
Yes, perhaps I used the wrong phrase
“Blowing up” is not exactly what I imagine, but what I wanted to discuss was whether the Heat would trade 1 of the “Big 3” for pieces that would make them a stronger team. I’m arguing that having the 3 superstars may not be the optimal team structure for the Heat, and that, in fact, it may become disfunctional with LeBron and Wade sharing command responsibilities. More than one “Alpha” can and will result in drama both on and off the court.
With all of the PR coming out of “The Decision”, it would not surprise me at all if the Heat felt it was better business to cut LeBron if they can do so and actually get better, and in the process restore the dignity and reputation of their team, who are currently viewed as Villains because of, mostly, LeBron. Trading LeBron to another team could benefit both the Heat and LeBron.
Bosh? He went from Superstar to Afterthought. He played pretty well, but he is underutilized on the Heat. I could see him being traded for pieces that make for a stronger “whole.”
Folks here think I’m daft, and maybe I am. Maybe Riley will try to herd the cats into a championship team. As stated in this thread, there is a good chance of success. I just expect the Wade / LeBron issue to eventually explode, much like Kobe / Shaq. Winning isn’t everything for these guys. Alpha Dogs want the limelight and need command, and winning without that, to them, often isn’t worth it.
Brandon Roy is The Man Your Man Could Smell Like
by Rogue Blazer on Jun 14, 2011 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions
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Movement will happen if players demand it and only if players demand it. Three post players wasn’t really the best mix to happen, but either way they’re young, good, and without any chemistry got to the finals. Just wait till they gel. Sadly they will definitely be taking home trophies.
"The game was delayed for over 15 minutes with 5:07 left in the second quarter after France's Nicolas Batum, who plays for the Portland Trail Blazers, dunked and twisted the rim. Volunteers and officials scrambled to put a new rim on the basket and reattach a net."
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/olybb/news/story?id=5509394
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