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Revenue Sharing and the NBA

The central mantra of the upcoming NBA lockout will be simple:  owners claim that a disproportionate number of teams are losing money.  Along with the usual disputing of accounting practices and revenue streams, the players are likely to fire back with an equally simple claim:  you guys aren't taking care of business right and we shouldn't have to pay for it.  The players' proposed solution will consist of two words:  Revenue Sharing.

Whether or not revenue sharing would wholly solve the league's alleged economic crisis, the players have a point.  Guaranteed contracts for injured or under-performing players can be problematic.  Outrageous salaries make for facile headlines and charts.  57% of basketball-related income may seem like a lot to share with employees.  But none of those numbers erase the inequity between large and small market teams.  That inequity isn't salary-based but revenue-based and only adjustments to the revenue stream can level the playing field and make those smaller-market teams as viable as their big-market brethren.

The holy grail of revenue sources in this day and age is the television contract.  The Los Angeles Lakers just inked a contract with Time-Warner Cable rumored (though disputed) to equal $150 million per year for the next 20 years.  The New York Knicks are owned by the same company that broadcasts their games, meaning the broadcast profit goes into their parent company's coffers.  Contractually their contract is deemed to be of the same value as the Lakers.  Admittedly these deals are at the top of the league, but that's exactly the point.  There's no way the Trail Blazers, Bucks, or Grizzlies can even sniff at those numbers.

This disadvantage is something the current structure can't compensate for.  The league has a luxury tax in place, mandating that teams spending over a set amount (currently around $70 million) pay a dollar into a fund for each dollar they exceed the tax line.  That money is then redistributed to all of the teams who have not exceeded the tax line.  In the old days the Knicks would cheerfully blow $100 million in salary, pay that extra $30 mil to the players, throw in another $30 million to the tax fund, and walk away with a profit in addition to the flashy players they bought.  Los Angeles is still doing that.  They're around $91 million in salary this year.  That's $40 million or so over the cap, $20 million or so over the tax line, for a total extra burden of $60 million.  What's their TV contract worth again?   This year it'll be even better for the Knicks though.  New York is under the tax threshold.  That means not only are they not spending extra on salary and tax, they'll actually be getting money from the luxury tax fund along with the small market teams.  So much for fixing inequities.

The luxury tax is an ad hoc, after-the-fact penalty independent of revenue streams or market size.  Teams with lucrative TV contracts face little burden in paying it and get the same benefits as anyone when they don't.  The real solution needs to be revenue-based on the front end, respecting varying opportunities and disparate economic realities, not just willingness to spend or reap.

True revenue sharing goes against our capitalistic instincts.  People in New York are going to claim, "We do the work, we massage the market, we field the team, why should we have to give up the benefits of same to people who didn't participate in that process?  In a market society the people who do the labor reap the rewards."  But this isn't a free market, at least not entirely.  People in New York are protected by the league.  If you want a free market, let the Celtics and Spurs move to New York to compete for those TV dollars and the ad revenue and lets see which team plays better and drives the others out.  You're given a monopoly (or close to it) over your territory.  

It'd be hard to argue that big market franchises make more money because they've been run better than their small market counterparts.  In a couple cases it's been the exact opposite:  teams making money hand over fist while engaging in lunacy.  The Knicks were a perpetual laughingstock under the management of Isiah Thomas.  The L.A. Clippers have been a bloated tick on the league's rump for longer than most can remember.  These teams are setting records for ineptitude.  They're not making money because they are run brilliantly, they're making money because their protected territory is New York and Los Angeles and not Indianapolis.  Put these guys in smaller cities with the same management plan and they're in red ink up to their eyeballs. The same people working the same jobs in Indiana are going to generate less revenue not because they're inferior, but because there are fewer people in Indiana to generate revenue in front of than there are in New York.   This isn't is capitalistic meritocracy, it's inherited privilege and fate broken only by the higher price ownership paid to purchase the franchises in these prime territories. 

The financial bluebloods of the league are going to feel a sense of privilege, frankly somewhat justifiable.  All things considered the franchise in Memphis probably isn't as important to the league as the franchise in New York.  Marquee towns generate marquee interest.  The four-letter-network will always want to show highlights of a Knicks game more than a Jazz game.  It's good for the league when big-market teams shine.  But there's a flip side.  It's bad for the league when small-market teams have to be purchased by the league like New Orleans, or have to leave perfectly good markets with passionate fan bases like Seattle and perhaps Sacramento.  We're starting to see a polarization of the league, the era of the Super Team.  Where are those Super Teams going to end up?  Dwight Howard isn't rumored to be leaving the Magic in order to play for Cleveland.  Nobody begrudges any franchise an excellent roster.  But when people perceive that the excellent roster was not built through skilled drafting, shrewd trading, and great decision-making--when they perceive it's instead a function of a certain towns, certain uniforms, and certain permissive revenue streams enabling consequence-reduced largess--malaise starts to creep in.  Why even bother having other franchises?  Why bother supporting a Portland or Denver or Charlotte?  The gap gets wider.

And therein lies the rub for the owners.  Even franchises with the most plentiful fans will have trouble drawing them when the marquee says, "Tonight:  Knicks vs. Nobody" (as opposed to what they're starting to get too often now, "Knicks vs. Nobody That Matters").  The league may not need all the teams it has currently but it surely needs more than New York, L.A., Chicago, Boston, Philly, Miami, and Houston.  The mid- and small-market teams make the difference between a national pastime and a niche activity.  They bring both diversity and scope, coloring reality and making it more tangible.  Could the NFL do without the Jacksonville Jaguars?  Probably.  Would the NFL be the NFL without the Pittsburgh Steelers, Green Bay Packers, Denver Broncos, Oakland Raiders, Cincinnati Bengals, and Indianapolis Colts?  It would not.  The big-city teams need opponents...viable, healthy, interesting opponents.  Without them they don't have a league.

The NBA is at an interesting crossroads here.  Are they going to become a fractured, big-market-centered entity, losing even more smaller franchises?  Will they uphold the rights and privileges of a few at the expense of the rest?  Or will they be a league, defining their health collectively, understanding that what's good for all ends up being good for the individual in the end...that a rising tide lifts all ships?

The unspoken subtext to this crossroads has been the shift in the nature of ownership.  Once upon a time owners were businessmen investing for profit but forced to work together to ensure that the league and their investments were sound.  Nouveau ownership comes in two stripes:  corporations looking for bottom-line profit and exposure over and against the profit/exposure of others and billionaires looking for shiny toys and a thrill.  If they want to take a true business mindset you can't begrudge the owners for fighting hard for their investments and their right to turn a profit from them.  But if this is true then they also have to recognize the above, that franchises in a league don't profit at the expense of each other but by creating an equitable umbrella under which all (who are not completely foolish) can profit.  That means serious discussion of pre-expense revenue sharing should be on the table during these negotiations.  But if the new wave of thinking holds sway--if the real goal is instant profit for some, prestige and fun for others, all at the expense of anyone not ME--then this is a game for which the owners should not mind paying.  Players become status symbols, advertisements, trading cards if you will.  Everybody knows if you want the ultra-rare, gold-stamped foil card you have to pay for it.  Everyone knows that ads during the Superbowl cost more than ads during the Rachael Ray Show.  Billionaire owners and corporations should have no problem paying for what they're getting.  If that means some getting left out while others prosper and your league is weaker thereby, well that's the by-product of doing business this way.  

Either way, let's be honest about it and our goals here.  The agenda will not be demonstrated by any concessions the players make but by the way the league defines itself during this process.  Real businessmen with connections to their product and customer base understand that with greater benefit comes greater responsibility.  Paper corporations and careless billionaires understand only their immediate bottom line or immediate gratification respectively.

If the owners care about the viability of this league they will implement legitimate revenue sharing along with the draconian (or maybe slightly less draconian by virtue of said sharing) cuts they're asking the players to take.  If the owners don't care about anything but themselves and how their individual franchises do--if the New Yorks and Los Angeleses of the world turn to Cleveland and Denver and say, "We're going to enjoy our privileged position and leave you hanging" causing the Clevelands and Denvers of the world to say to the players, "We're going to take this out on you"--then it's hard to see why the players should care about the league or concede a thing to it.  It's also hard to see why anyone not already rooting for a large-market team should take these guys seriously or believe that they matter even when play resumes.  A team that's barely in the black and getting screwed is still getting screwed.  Fans and viewers never see the books but they can sure see the results.

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

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Beautiful, Dave.

The NBA seems like a microcosm of our country in general.

The Dude abides.

by BrewDude on May 4, 2011 10:23 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Agree!

Dave, ARE there discussions on the table about revenue sharing? Do you know anything about this? Do the players want it?
Seems as though the NFL has done very well with their model…

by Natsthecat on May 4, 2011 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Absolutely amazing Dave.

You laid it all out there so simply yet eloquently. It will be interesting to see where the owners and NBA decide to go, and I fear that the small market teams will be farther marginalized so David Stern can continue pimping the New Yorks, Los Angeleses and Miamis of the league.

Nicolas Batum; "The Smoothest Cat in the NBA"

by gtbassett on May 4, 2011 10:41 PM PDT reply actions  

The Australian example

This may be crazy, but the Australian Football League (Aussie Rules) just negotiated a $1.2 Billion TV deal for the next 5 years across the entire league – in a small place like Oz (population 20mill). As the league administrator they carefully manage the networks in all local areas, including “blackouts”. This $1.2 billion is spread across each of the 17 clubs, plus the development of grass roots football at all levels of the game – yes the argument of why the rich and more supported clubs are subsiding the poor exists, but as a league you really are only as strong as your weakest team.
A hard salary cap is in place and the draft is the single most crucial tool in bucking the inevitable cycle of boom years then bust years. Some teams pull it off with great drafting and prudent trades and have sustained succes. In any case, each and every team could realistically claim a title over a 10 year period.
For small market teams there is an extra % under the hard cap to even-out the location factors, and anyone exceeding the cap gets penalised harshly with forfeited draft picks or point reductions.
I know there is so much more to it, but league intervention to ensure a level playing field for all teams serves the game at all levels – but then that sounds a lot like the ole governmetn intervention debate with a sporting bend!

by AussieTom on May 4, 2011 10:41 PM PDT reply actions  

This is the question at hand

Do these teams belong to a league or are they separate entities run for the pleasure and profit of their owners? Frankly it’s a hard sell to convince a corporation it needs to give up $50 million a year or more for the sake of other people. They will immediately start screaming about their shareholders and accounting books. It’ll probably happen when hell freezes over, thaws, then freezes over again. But that’s the sad thing about the big business the league has become. It may end up killing many of the things that were good about the NBA, including that small-market charm and unifying experience.

—Dave

by Dave on May 4, 2011 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

ownership varies

But generally they are public companies with multiple shareholders or owned by the state government.
In any case, they have a license to participate in the league, and the league acts in the interests of the competition (and its equality). Clubs receive dividends from TV rights – negotiated solely by the league. In this case, there has never been any quesiton of individual TV deals – each club has as much rights to TV money as the next – the clubs recognise that they have a license to participate in the competition and the negotiation of TV rights is completely the responsibility of the league. The equality of the competition is brilliant at the highest level and the game flourishes across the board because of it.

by AussieTom on May 5, 2011 1:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wow. Now I feel like I understand this.

Funny thing, I was about to post a question hoping someone could explain this..

What if there were a profit sharing to, say, help build a new arena for those that need it. Sacramento, Seattle, etc…

Foolish to think that, and even more foolish to see those words when we need teachers, schools, etc.

Thank you for yet another great article.

by 1ofthe7 on May 4, 2011 10:44 PM PDT reply actions  

I think there's money there somewhere

The question is, who pays it? If you look at the arena thing, right now the owners are asking people in their communities and the governments that represent them. If you’re looking at keeping teams viable, they’re going to be asking (read: demanding things from) the players. Fine and dandy. Maybe we all need a reality check. I’m certainly willing to admit that Portland fans have lived off of Paul Allen’s willingness to lose money for a long while. That’s not a good model.

My argument is that you don’t make these kind of demands without also going to the owners in New York and other big markets. You don’t just point the finger at other people, you also look to your own roles in causing and solving the problem. Don’t talk to me about red ink when the Knicks have been gaming the system for years. We all saw the kind of money they were willing to throw down the toilet in the Isiah Thomas era. In some ways they’re still doing it. It’s not their God-given right to pay through the nose for non-defending, high-profile forwards until the cows come home and walk away with a tidy profit while the rest of the league burns down. Or maybe it is their right, but it’s not OK. Implement some kind of decent revenue sharing plan and I’m all for communities and players pitching in and sacrificing to make the league work. But without that all I’m hearing is "Blah, blah, blah…it’s somebody else’s responsibility to keep me living in the style to which I’ve become accustomed."

—Dave

by Dave on May 4, 2011 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yes, the arguments about the Knicks, Lakers, etc. 'deserving' to keep all the local television revenue

only holds water if the fans are willing to pay the ticket prices to see an inter-team scrimmage 41 times a year…

by Storyteller on May 4, 2011 10:52 PM PDT reply actions   3 recs

Yah

The league protects their butts. What if the Miami Heat moved to the Bronx and billed themselves as “The New and Improved Knicks”? Which team do you suppose would sell more tickets and ads? Which team would get driven out? That doesn’t happen specifically because the league and its owners agree that it shouldn’t and they enforce that. You’ve got that revenue because of the league and its 29 other teams. Therefore it shouldn’t be a huge stretch to share that revenue with said teams. Keep some behind so you make more than anyone else, reflecting your greater original investment and your work in the market.

Lakers and Knicks: $150 million per year-ish in broadcast rights alone. Trail Blazers: $12 million per year. That’s a big gap. If eleven more NBA teams moved into that market and divided that broadcast money equally they’d still make more than the Blazers do as the sole team in Portland.

Ladies and Gentlemen, your Los Angeles Lakers, Clippers, Warriors, Suns, Kings, Mavericks, Rockets, Grizzlies, Hornets, Spurs, Nuggets, Timberwolves, and Jazz! Man, Staples Center is getting crowded!

—Dave

—Dave

by Dave on May 4, 2011 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

So what's a fair % of local revenue to be shared? 20%? 50%? 100%?

Personally, I put myself in the category of 35% earlier in the season….

by Storyteller on May 4, 2011 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I suppose you'd have to crunch the numbers to find out

but I’m all for whatever keeps the league afloat. 35% seems more than reasonable. By some reports even 60% would leave the “donating” teams tons of money.

—Dave

by Dave on May 4, 2011 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rather than full-fledged revenue sharing, the NBA should contract down to 24 teams.

"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."

by AK1984 on May 5, 2011 12:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

That doesn't solve the problem though

You would still have 5-6 teams with all the money and thus an unfair advantage

Me: "I heard the BCS just bought March Madness.......the vote should be out tomorrow and we will see Duke and Kansas in the championship game"

by 92wastheyear on May 5, 2011 7:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, indeed

If this were a true free market situation the Knicks and the Lakers would have consolidated the market by purchasing other teams and operating them with a more efficient centralized streamlined management. Better players would matriculate to the bigger markets as they work their way up the corporate ladder. As it’s been pointed out, we would end up with two or three uber powerful teams competing against each other night after night, much like AT&T, Verizon and Sprint.

In free market systems you try to eliminate your competition and take their market. In sports LEAGUES you exist because of your competition. Once the competition is eliminated you cease to exist. The big market teams equally need the small market teams, so they should equally (or nearly equally) share revenue streams.

by LaughingJon on May 5, 2011 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Dave, you should represent the plaintiffs.

This article was one briefcase slammed on the desk, outing the fake whiplash shy of being the rootinest, tootinest lawyer speech shy of that guy who got OJ off for murder.

Your kids could have reality shows!

Q: "Why are the Heat losing?"
'Dre: "That's for them to figure out. We did our job."

by Oh. Em. Gee. on May 4, 2011 10:55 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Wow

Nice work Dave. This might be your best post this year.

by Dobbler on May 4, 2011 11:11 PM PDT reply actions  

I believe it

because Buss knows how to be an owner. He’s a throwback.

—Dave

by Dave on May 4, 2011 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow

This was really well-written. I’ve read a lot of articles on the topic but none of them touched on what the owners could condede in order to bring about a more profitable business model. It’s always about what the players need to sacrifice.

by theNmarie on May 4, 2011 11:20 PM PDT reply actions  

excellent breakdown

Dave, that is the best summary of the situation that I have read. Thanks for the insight and opinion. What do you see as the most likely outcome to all of this?

by RJ- on May 4, 2011 11:59 PM PDT reply actions  

Dave,

Do you ever email these posts to league owners or executives?

Do you even think they could handle such logic?

"Ignorance is bliss. Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -Stephen Colbert

by randommanthefirst on May 5, 2011 12:05 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Excellent article Dave.

You’re able to articulate my feelings better than I ever could. The NBA should strive to be much more like NFL than MLB.

by aces_dad on May 5, 2011 12:06 AM PDT reply actions  

Masterful

One of the best I’ve read by anyone. This is exactly what the NBA and NFL arguments are about.

People may be aware of how this is done in soccer leagues overseas. Big-market, big-revenue teams play in a top league, smaller ones in a lesser. Sometimes there’s a clause allowing top teams in a second-tier league to graduate for a season or two, taking the place of weaker teams in the top league that get demoted.

I’d argue that much of the revenue comes from competitive balance. I think it’s quite possible that a lot of the NFL’s huge nationwide popularity (and hence big network TV contracts) comes from the idea that a 2-14 team can go 14-2 pretty quickly, and revenue sharing is a big part of that. If baseball’s Yankees and Red Sox played in a two-team league all to themselves, would fan interest be as strong? But obviously many owners want the best of both worlds, a league with lots of different teams (and different marketable players) to spur fan interest while establishing a system where large-market franchises keep the benefits of their bigger populations.

Not to go all Dave Zirin on this, but I do think he has a salient point when he observes that this kind of infighting would mean less if no owner had ever asked for a public subsidy. They have — at this point, most demand it — and, for us small-market fans, it begs the question of whether or not those subsidies are going to a system that’s hugely rigged to favor teams in bigger media markets? Why should Sacramento or Seattle pony up for a new arena if it only means keeping a team the big boys will visit to beat upon? (Although, in soccer, merely having the big names come to town and crush your hometown squad is seen as fun by many smaller-burg fans.)

There are bigger questions about the economic worth of public subsidies (how much revenue do they really generate) versus the intangible value a sports team brings to a community, and I won’t go into that. (I’m divided on it, myself.) But taxpayers in cities like Sacramento have a gun to their head, Don Vito-style, I think it’s relevant to ask if they have a chance of getting the very least they might hope to get from such blackmail; a team with the possibility of winning, any other considerations aside.

by twinsbrewer on May 5, 2011 12:26 AM PDT reply actions  

since it's completely out of my hands.

i’m just hoping for a full 2011-2012 season.

increased revenue sharing would help give teams like the blazers a better shot at the title overall, but you can’t win it if there’s no season!

i think these lockouts just highlight the worst of professional sports. there’s nothing that alienates fans more than taking away games and substituting a sideshow of billionaires arguing with millionaires over money.

by SaveOden on May 5, 2011 7:24 AM PDT reply actions  

But

your season is getting to be less and less relevant. Your hope of winning rides on a competitive and balanced league. You don’t have that. The Blazers are capped out. LA, NY, etc. can simply buy the talent – the rest of the league can’t. This has downgraded and undermined the product. You’re worried over the Roy contract and the risk related to signing Oden. LA and NY have no such worries. They’d keep Oden, and while keeping him, go into the market to get Howard if necessary. We can’t do that.

by Eben Calder on May 5, 2011 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

as long as there's a ball, a court and 5 guys on each side, anybody can win.

no matter what they do, small market teams will always be at a disadvantage and the portland trailblazers will always be a small market team.

i’ll hope for the best in terms of league balance, but ultimately, nothing will make me more disappointed than a lost or contracted 2011-2012 season.

this is basketball, not court tv.

by SaveOden on May 5, 2011 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

NOTHING?
nothing will make me more disappointed than a lost or contracted 2011-2012 season.

by Natsthecat on May 5, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Not me

I would exchange an entire season for a league that has revenue sharing. Long term we’d all be much happier with the product that is served.

by stax o' wax on May 5, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

agreed

"Well, you can always sell your team."

by douglast on May 5, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

revenue sharing isn't guranteed to help the blazers

parity is a double edged sword especially for teams that are historically good like the blazers.

what is guaranteed is that a lost season would be terrible. also, it’s entirely possible that we lose the season and there’s nothing to show for it besides richer owners and slightly poorer players. that would be a disaster.

by SaveOden on May 5, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind another 50 game season

that was fun.

Me: "I heard the BCS just bought March Madness.......the vote should be out tomorrow and we will see Duke and Kansas in the championship game"

by 92wastheyear on May 5, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I understand...

…that it might not essentially help the Blazers, but it would help the league in general put out a better product. Reread what Dave said about how the NY’s and LA’s can overspend and gobble up talent in a way that teams like the Blazers cannot in the current arrangement. Eliminating that huge advantage would help the Blazers long term.

And I think that is a different discussion altogether than the player/owner money split.

by stax o' wax on May 6, 2011 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not so concerned about shots at a title

but if the owners are legit in claiming that 20 teams are losing money and unable to survive under the current model, that needs to be addressed. This would help. And they don’t need the players’ agreement or government subsidies to do it. If they don’t do it, maybe they’re not all that concerned or maybe the straits are not so dire? Either would be sad, for different reasons.

—Dave

by Dave on May 5, 2011 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Some days... this blog disappoints me.

Those days are coincidentally the days where there are no new posts. Great post, Dave. It was a pleasure to read and I feel smarter too!

by jayzien on May 5, 2011 7:28 AM PDT reply actions  

Wow...when I first heard those numbers for the Laker's TV deal I was amazed

Essentially the Lakers will make as much in a single year as The Blazers do over the entire 10 year run of their contract with Comcast. That is crazy.

The thing to remember is that these teams shouldn’t be looked at as 30 individual businesses (they aren’t for the reasons that Dave enumerated). They should been seen as what they are ….a limited partnership. All the owners are in business together. At this point the Lakers, Knicks, and Celtics ect are bigger than the league. Nobody…not even the Cowboys ….are bigger than the NFL and that is because of their TV model.

Me: "I heard the BCS just bought March Madness.......the vote should be out tomorrow and we will see Duke and Kansas in the championship game"

by 92wastheyear on May 5, 2011 7:49 AM PDT reply actions  

All of this assumes the owner and their league representative are bargaining in good faith

that is with a keen eye to improve the league. But they aren’t. And good luck with that most interesting idea; asking some of the roughest, cut-throat, pirate businessmen to learn to "share’ what others have created for them. Why share when the league is empowered to buy out the worst teams like the Hornets and pay the owner a nice little multi-million dollar severance to boot. no, these owners are going to fight and scratch for every last nickel they can gouge from the consumer. The bottom-line issue for me is the cartelized nature of the business which concentrates power and wealth in the hands of the owners who are the least productive part of the organization. not only are they least productive, they are actually causing the most damage.

by oregonslee on May 5, 2011 9:27 AM PDT reply actions  

Does the mean

these owners a ravenous depraved capitalists and Dave is a pinko commie?

by XBlazerfan on May 5, 2011 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Only if...

… you are painting them in overly-broad, crude strokes. Oh, wait – do you work for a corporate media outlet? Then that’s fine.

by stax o' wax on May 5, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Likewise.

Damn – my facetious font isn’t working it’s magic.

by stax o' wax on May 5, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

lol

just didn’t want to be a corporate media type I guess. Oh wait on second thought maybe I do. I wonder if there is any openings.

by XBlazerfan on May 5, 2011 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

It probably pays well,

but your automatically disqualified if they find you have a soul.

by stax o' wax on May 5, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well

since I’m an atheist I guess I’ll be OK.

by XBlazerfan on May 5, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

True revenue sharing goes against our capitalistic instincts.

I has what??

Disclaimer: everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazersedge.

by pualo on May 5, 2011 10:08 AM PDT reply actions  

NBA for a Social Democratic USA

If the league were somehow able to peanut butter ad revenue, along with other revenue and expenses, equally throughout all the teams in the league—basically asking the NBA to follow a somewhat Socialistic model—then it might open the door for other things, like, healthcare and education!

Sorry everyone, it ain’t happening. Sure we all wish for more parity, but that assumes that everyone wants some kind of altruistic approach towards winning. Do you think league owners really want to give the league that much lattitude with their finances? And do you think the league wants to anger the owners too much?

The Revenue Sharing idea puts too many hands in the pot—and just think of the contract language in that alone? What a mess.

I do hope the league and the players can figure something out that helps everyone. Too bad we all love basketball so much, because our voice in the matter can only be heard through our purchasing power…as if ALL of us suddenly gave up cable television (or tv in general), or stopped going to games or buying overpriced fan gear…

by asterales on May 5, 2011 10:49 AM PDT reply actions  

the next step.

is making sure that all teams have an equal number of wins at the end of the season and a share of the league championship.

by SaveOden on May 5, 2011 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well.....the NFL is sitting right there with revenue sharing

And the small market teams flourishing ….check out the population of Green Bay (or Millwaukie if you prefer) sometime …and that league is making billions.

So there isn’t an inherent problem with revenue sharing per se….the NFL has is simpler because of the lower number of games and league-wide TV contracts. The trick with the NBA is to throw all the TV revenue into the pot…..the nat’l TV contracts and the local contracts….then split it all up equally.

They is to quit thinking about this like 30 individual businesses….they aren’t …and start thinking of it as one business with 30 partners

Me: "I heard the BCS just bought March Madness.......the vote should be out tomorrow and we will see Duke and Kansas in the championship game"

by 92wastheyear on May 5, 2011 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

The NFL comparison is interesting.

Why then, have the NFL owners sworn to destroy the players association? I think not everything is above board and ethical in the sports entertainment business. The massive amounts of cash floating around during game weeks is making people a little crazy I think. Greed is a powerful motivator.

by oregonslee on May 5, 2011 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well....the NFL owners have less issues to deal with as far as competition and disparity between teams

but they still want more of the money in their pockets and less in the Players pockets. Additionally they would love the have a rookie scale like the NBA. The Players want to keep the same percentage of the money they had before….plus get better health care and benefits for retired players. Personally I am not sure why they went for a lock out except for greed. At least in the NBA, I think the uneven conditions between teams…guaranteed contracts…salary cap issues and medical retirement are legitimate issues that need to be worked out. The biggest of which is an even playing field between the various teams in the league…that is what I would start with.

Me: "I heard the BCS just bought March Madness.......the vote should be out tomorrow and we will see Duke and Kansas in the championship game"

by 92wastheyear on May 5, 2011 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

The difference is little local media money

The National Networks broadcast all the NFL games,so there is little local media money.9NFL TV,I know,still…)
The NBA has teams strike deals to broadcast their games,w/only a few getting on National TV each week. And a local broadcast for a team in LA or NY is going to be worth quite a bit more than one in Memphis or Orlando or Milwaukee simply because of the potential audience size. laker fans aren’t watching Minnesota,they’re watching their Lakers.KCAL 9 could probably broadcast a Lakers scrimmage and get more viewers than Atlanta station airing a crucial Hawks game.

by Tisbee on May 5, 2011 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hallelujah, Dave

I’ve been singing this song for so many years that I’m wondering if I know any others. It really speaks, though, to the core illness that the NBA suffers from. We see and complain about the various symptoms, but I think this is the main cause of those ailments. I guess it shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone paying attention to the general economic/cultural climate in the country, but it’s always nice to see it articulated so clearly.

Thanks -

by stax o' wax on May 5, 2011 11:35 AM PDT reply actions  

Having second thoughts on Revenue Sharing

I am one who has long believed the NBA needed to share local media money. But I’m starting to have serious doubts that local media revenue sharing is going to help small market teams all that much.
If we assume that the Laker deal is as large as announced-something I doubt as it prob has rating triggers,rate increases each yr,pr bragging,etc-and that the Knicks is just as big and 50% gets revenue shared what happens?
If the Knicks and Lakers combine for $300mil/yr,a 50% split would be $150mil. Then divide by 30 teams(it’s a pool,so each team gets an equal share) and you get…$5mil for each team.
Now the Blazers have a $12mil deal. They would have to give up half,$6mil to the pool. So after tapping the Knicks and Lakers,you end up w/LESS money. You’re not going to be making much off the other small market teams($150,000 from the Hornets for example) and there aren’t that many teams getting huge deals.(The Rockets were said to be getting close to $50mil under deal they just got out of,under a 50% split that’s @ an $840,000 share.) Keep in mind the Lakers new deal is supposed to be several times what their current deal is,so $30-50mil is about what the top teams are getting.(I know I’m making assumptions here,so if someone can dig up the actual numbers we’d have firm numbers to go on.) So even if the NBA goes to a 50% sharing of local media revenues,there’s not that huge a pot when it’s split by 30 teams,esp after losing your own 50%.

I would suggest the NBA get more creative.
First,local media deals should not be NOT considered part of League revenue. Doesn’t count towards determining Cap,min team salaries,player share of revenue.
The small market problem w/the Lakers getting a huge deal is that the Lakers deal RAISES the min team salary. And revenue sharing won’t help. 57% of $150mil divided by 30 teams is $2.85mil each team needs to pay players,while even 50% revenue sharing only adds $2.25mil.
(Note that the NHL which lost a season eventually agreed that players would get at least 54% of revenues and if the NHL made a ton of money could get up to 57%!)
Remove the local media money from the equation and you start to get creative.
Teams get @ $30mil from the national deal,$5mil from merchandising and ave over $32mil in ticket sales. Corporate sponsorships can run from $0-40mil,w/a weak economy killing local sponsorships in small markets.
Set a firmer cap at 90% of what ticket sales,merchandising and National TV contracts total the previous season. The min team salary has to be at least 60% of the Salary Cap.
Teams over Salary Cap pay 100% Lux Tax for each dollar over cap.(Here’s where you tap that Laker money!)
And here’s where we get a little creative/vindictive…a team gives back it’s share of National money for each dollar it’s local contract is higher. If a team has a $50mil local deal and the National Media share is $30mil,it forfeits $20mil of its National share. The forfeited money goes into pool to be shared equally by the other teams w/smaller deals less than the $30mil.
Add in max contracts at 20% of Salary Cap,tied to the Salary Cap figure(it goes up they go up,it goes down,they go down),no MLE,LLE,but able to exceed cap to sign draft picks,vet mins,sign own FAs and trades and teams that want to spend can keep a team together.
But in long run most teams will end up spending just at cap or closer to minimum.
I’d throw the player’s a bone and do away w/the 57% and have no limit at all. But that’s me.

I realize the ticket revenue factor is problematic,as bad teams draw poorly,while the Knicks are jacking prices and teams can only dream of getting what the Lakers get for courtside seats.Sharing 10-20% of tickets would prob do the trick,but there comes a point where if making money is assured,how many owners will turn to the Donald Sterling mode and there is growing problem w/MLB teams getting assistance pocketing the money and not spending on their teams.
For example the Maloofs are supposes to have lost $8mil this yr. If what I have suggested was in effect,they could have shaved their player payroll a couple mil more,received an extra $3-5mil from the National TV pool and come close to breaking even.
Under the NBA’s proposal their would be a hard cap at just above what the King’s payroll was this past season. Big help. It would take the players giving up @ 20% of their salaries for the Maloofs to break even.
Which raises question,how expensive are NBA teams to run? How bad is the tax bite? A team in a state w/a high corporate tax rate is going to have less operating income than a team w/same revenue in a low-tax state. Do you try to revenue share that? Would a better strategy be to get the states to agree to a profit only tax on the teams,w/threat to move/fold if not granted w/agreement full back taxes are penalty if team leaves state?
The Kings TV money,local and national and their share of merchandising comes to @$45mil,coincidentally roughly what their player payroll was. So in addition to whatever meager corporate sponsorship they have,their ticket revenue was at least $8mil less than all their other expenses.

by Tisbee on May 5, 2011 11:41 PM PDT reply actions  

you would have to know what the average tv deal is worth

in order to understand how much the blazers would benefit from revenue sharing.

if every other team besides la/nyc had a $12M deal in your scenario, then the pool becomes:

la/nyc: $150M (your assumptions)
every other team: 50% x $12M x 28 teams = $168M
total revenue share pool: $318M

revenue share per team: $318M / 30 teams = $10.6M

so in this scenario, the blazers end up with $12M – $6M + $10.6M = $16.6M, which is almost a $5M increase. if it was 100% revenue share, they would end up with $21.2M for a $9M increase. not too shabby.

storyteller probably has the real numbers.

by SaveOden on May 6, 2011 4:56 AM PDT reply actions  

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