Portland Trail Blazers Roster: Who's Staying, Who's Going
Having wrapped up our player-by-player look at Portland's roster we head into a summer of uncertainty with regards to these players' futures. Combine another first-round playoff exit, injury issues, contract size issues, players hitting the end of their rookie contracts now and in the near future, speculation about talent and position imbalance, and a completely unknown cap structure in 2011-12 and you have more uncertainty regarding the shape of this roster than we've seen since 2006. In that environment, in anticipation of the trade and financial talk that will surely follow in the coming months--it's going to be helpful to have a handle on who is staying and who might go before the Blazers suit up again.
Click through for a look at Portland's players, their contracts, and the likelihood that they'll be moved in the near future.
LaMarcus Aldridge: BYC $11.2 million now, $12.4 million to $15.8 million over the following four years
Between his production, the fact that he's the only truly viable big man on the roster, and his ascent as the team's #1 option Aldridge isn't going anywhere this summer. It'd take a huge name, probably a big, to pry him loose and those won't be offered. Chances of being moved: All but nil.
Nicolas Batum: $1.2 million now, $2.2 million next year, $3.2 million Qualifying Offer the year following
Given the interest he apparently drew last summer and the acquisition of Gerald Wallace, Batum is a likelier candidate for trade now than he ever has been. A couple of issues remain. First, losing him would rob the Blazers of any claim to depth...a scant claim to begin with. Second, he's still a young talent, potentially developing into a key cog if not a star. Third, his bargain-basement salary would mandate another player being traded alongside him if anyone significant came back in return, thus robbing the Blazers of even more bodies. Chances of being moved: Small, but the Blazers will probably be open to the idea, as will other teams.
Marcus Camby: $11.8 million now, $12.9 million next season
Camby's getting older and not bending games like he used to. Plus his contract expires next year and would provide hefty ballast to any deal involving younger, cheaper players on Portland's end. He'd also be able to contribute on a single-year basis if a contender wanted to bolster their front line. But trading him would also leave Portland's cupboard bare up front. Greg Oden is still an unknown quantity. At this point we're not 100% sure he'll be a Blazer, let alone a healthy and productive player. You might be able to get talent from a Camby deal but you'd be waving the white flag on doing anything serious in the coming year, putting off the Big Push yet another season. It's far more likely you'd make that move at the trading deadline when you're more sure of what you have and where you're going. The Blazers are in a bad place with Camby: not in love with him, can't do without him. Chances of being moved: Small now, potentially great later.
Rudy Fernandez: $1.2 million now, $2.2 million next year, $3.2 million Qualifying Offer the year following
The greatest statement about Rudy's perceived importance to this team is the league-wide opining that the Blazers need more shooters. Nobody who isn't already in love with him is thinking this marriage will work. This would be a "greener pastures" move both for Fernandez and the team that acquired him. It's probably a move that will happen as the Blazers don't have much to lose--shooting guard being fairly crowded at this point--and the other team wouldn't be taking on much salary. Rudy could also become a throw-in to a larger deal. Chances of being moved: Good, perhaps the most likely on the team.
Wesley Matthews: $5.8 million now, $6.1 million to $7.2 million over the following four years
If you project Matthews as the long-term starting two guard this is a no-brainer. On that basis he'd be cheap and you keep him. If you're worried about him being able to fill that spot and somebody fell madly in love with him based on his performance this year--enough in love to give you a guy you knew would be a starter--you could make that deal. It probably won't happen though. Still, this is the inverse of the Camby situation: are in love with him, could do without him if the price was right. Chances of being moved: Very small.
Andre Miller: $7.2 million now, optional $7.8 million next year
If the Blazers had anybody in the point guard hopper Miller would also be a prime candidate for trade. The receiving team has flexibility with his contract if he's moved before the new season. Even if they kept him, $8 million isn't out of line for a starting point guard you can trust. For all the good he's done for the team, he's still not the definitive answer at point. He's just clearly better than anybody else Portland could get outside of a trade and exponentially better than the guys behind him. Still the Blazers will be testing the waters for starting point guards and they'll make Miller available if he'll get him a guy they like. This is another Camby-like situation wherein they're not married to the guy but can't do without him. Chances of being moved: Small, but not because the team won't try, rather because the right option probably isn't out there.
Greg Oden: $6.8 million now...unknown for next year but potential Qualifying Offer of $8.8 million
This is an interesting question. Interest in Oden and uncertainty regarding injuries and long-term contract status could combine into a lightning-quick deal. Then again, the receiving team would have those same questions. But they might be willing to take the risk. On the other hand it could be an expensive risk. On the third hand Oden remains one of the few prospects who could elevate the Blazers into true contention if healthy. The only way they'd make this move is if they didn't want to deal with the headache, but it's a really big headache. Then again, what will other clubs offer? Likely not much. Chances of being moved: Small.
Brandon Roy: BYC $13.6 million now, $15.0 to $19.3 million over the next four years
Forget it. Roy is Base Year Compensation now and has all the desirability of an old boot. If his contract looks onerous now imagine what it'll look like if a hard cap is instituted. Nobody sane is going to touch him. Chances of being moved: Nil. An amnesty clause covering salary cap would be the only way out.
Gerald Wallace: $9.5 million now, $9.5 million next year, $9.5 million player option the year following
As well as Wallace played for the Blazers this is another situation wherein the right move might cause them to bank on Nicolas Batum at small forward and take their chances otherwise. It would have to be a sweetheart deal, but it could happen. Finances are to blame as much as anything. Wallace isn't priced poorly for a full-time starter but again Batum is lurking behind him. If Wallace plays poorly he might not be worth the $10 million. But if he plays well he might opt out of the final year at $10 million, driving his price through the roof. That creates enough gray area to allow the possibility of trading a guy who was just acquired and who played well enough to make him a keeper. Chances of being moved: Very small, but there.
Everybody Else on the Roster is movable. Nobody will draw attention by themselves but if another team asked for Luke Babbitt, Earl Barron, Armon or Chris Johnson, or Patty Mills as part of a deal the Blazers otherwise liked Portland should (and probably would) have no qualms about including them. Elliot Williams is the wild card, as reports on him have been intermittently good. But it's unlikely that another team would want a completely injured player anyway.
So...ranking the team from most to least likely to be moved you get (roughly)
- Rudy Fernandez
- The lowest-tier players if included for salary reasons
- The expiring contract veterans Marcus Camby and Andre Miller
- A guy both sides could be interested in moving: Nicolas Batum
- Greg Oden
- The nice-priced performers: Wesley Matthews and Gerald Wallace (One would assume Coach McMillan would be adamantly against these deals.)
- The guy nobody will take: Brandon Roy. And the guy the Blazers won't lose: LaMarcus Aldridge
Any given trade is more unlikely than not, but as you can see the Blazers aren't in an ultra-flexible position here. You don't have to travel far down that list before you reach seriously unlikely possibilities. Gone are the days when Travis Outlaw, Martell Webster, and Jerryd Bayless made constant trade fodder. The most likely players Portland has available either won't bring much in return or carry serious consequences if they're moved, all but mandating a narrow window through which incoming players must fit.
In short, no matter what the new CBA brings this may not be a summer for moves. Barring some radical offers Portland's roster will likely look the same going into 2011-12 as it does now. The greatest possibilities lie in a Camby or Miller plus a young wing deal but again that would have to bring back a player filling Camby or Miller's position. Point guards and centers are hard to come by. Portland will have an easier time selling and stomaching that kind of move around the trading deadline than during the off-season.
Feel free to make your own lists below. Thanks to Storyteller's Contracts for the numbers.
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Health is a much bigger problem then personal right now.
If wizards use the amnesty clause on lewis, I’d be down if we could get him on the cheap. He’s got size, range and maybe nate could get him playing like his sonic days
No one in the world can beat me at RBI baseball 3(nes).
Another small forward?
Eek. That dude is a perennial dud.
wha??
by Hipster Olympic Team! on May 26, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd welcome Lewis
but like two4larue has said, you would need a big man who can defend the paint to be able to play him If Peja can still be a contributer on a finals contender at his age, I have no doubt Lewis would be a good pickup for a team like us desperate for some 3 point shooting. Picking him up would allow us to trade Batum for a big man.
Draft Reggie Jackson
Sign Reggie Williams
Think we could give Kahn
Rudy for his 2nd over all pick. I feel like if any GM would be willing, it would be Kahn. After all…we did help him out last year by giving them Webster for Peter Pan.
Rudy is the carrot for Rubio, Kahn. Take it!
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I have a question on this post...by NOW..does Dave mean THIS PAST YEAR???
Seems like NOW…should be this COMING season..not this PAST season.
The new year does not start
until July. This year it doesn’t even really start then, I suppose.
—Dave
so NOW does mean last (this) season....figured..just seems like it should be last season...
since they are done playing.
yeah..seems like they won’t play next year until late if at all.
Should be interesting to see it all play out! (pardon the pun)
The current salary cap season ends on June 30th
So, yes, we’re still in the 2010-11 season as it relates to salaries, contract status, etc.
Kahn can't be that dense. He may be eccentric, but no one is brain dead enough to trade
the #2 overall pick, and likely Derrick Williams for Rudy Fernandez straight up. Blazers would have to come up with something like Rudy, Batum and the #21 pick, and I doubt that Williams is really worth all that. He’s a good player, but he’s a tweener like Dante, and he doesn’t really fit into the Blazers playing rotation all that well given that we have LMA, Wallace already in the starting unit. Other possibilities outside of Williams at the #2 spot would be a bunch of untested Euro bigs, which carries a significant bust potential.
Now, trading for Rubio might make more sense, but Kahn also wouldn’t want Rudy for Rubio straight up, and Rubio probably wouldn’t be worth the huge outlay it would take to get him. Rubio has been stinking it up the past year even playing against Euro level competition. How good he will be really waits to be seen, he may just turn out to be a slightly better version of Sergio.
Rudy for the second pic.
LOL.
wha??
by Hipster Olympic Team! on May 26, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm sure we could get the #20 pick from them for Rudy
but I don’t think that is really worth it in this weak draft, especially since we are picking 21 anyway. Although Rudy is fairly worthless at this point… I can’t see us getting anything other than a future draft pick for him this summer unless we through some sweetener in a deal.
The amnesty is the most intriguing part of the upcoming offseason.
I love Roy but depending on what may be available in the future, I think he must go.
Roy is still one of the most clutch scorers in the NBA. He just can’t go for the entire season at full minutes.
i like this better
instead of an amnesty clause, why not raise the luxury tax line this year by $15m, next year only $10m, and so on – this gives ALL teams some benefit that they can use.
M, period. Fresh, comma.
The owners are looking to reduce player salaries
No way they agree to a system that encourages spending more money on player salaries
My opinion on Roy
is give him the offseason to work on his game and see if he can somehow work around his injury or become more of a shooter. I think he has the tools to be a sharpshooter, which would be really valuable for this team. And if he can’t pull that together after next season, we could ask and see if he would be willing to renegotiate his contract, otherwise cut him in amnesty. I know some actions may point differently, but I think Roy is largely a team-first kind of guy, who might be willing to help his team out and clear some salary space if he knows he can’t earn what he’s being paid for, especially with a new and much lower salary cap. I remember hearing him say during the season one of the reasons he was pushing himself is that he didn’t feel like he was earning his salary, so it’s something he thinks about.
Contracts like Roy's cannot be restructured like that
in the current CBA
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by 92wastheyear on May 26, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
That is right, but he only has a 3year guarantee and some quilifying incentives for the last two.
The New CBA is trying to cut down the guaranteed part, plus a gradual decrease in wages, Therefore as BassBall said, if BRoy can be a sharphooter and earn part of his pay, then that gives us more options then either, Or.
hg
Gerald Wallace or Nic Batum
Blazers will have to choose one or the other. They can’t have both because they can’t afford both in the long run. Best option is trading Batum for a rookie point guard who could be a starter, say Curry, or a top rookie in this draft.
The other option is trading Wallace for a big time Pointguard or center (less likely). In reality this could be a better opion in getting more talent out proud team.
Blazers can't afford to keep Wallace in the long run, what with Roy, Aldridge and
possibly Oden on the payroll. Batum is younger and likely would not cost as much to keep as Wallace. The Blazer’s best option now would be to keep both Wallace and Batum for next year and then trade Wallace the year after before his contract balloons up even further.
Roy is TBD though
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by sammymohawk on May 26, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Disagree that the Blazers need to choose one or the other.
You can allow Batum to mature as Wallace’s deal expires, then pay Batum with Wallace money.
In fact, I’m completely against trading Batum BECAUSE we can do this. Let Nic become the first sub off the bench for a while, and grow into his role. He’s still SUPER young.
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by cubs0505 on May 26, 2011 12:22 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Also, Nic can play varies positions as well as Wallace.
Nic can play 2gd and a little four when going small, Gerald could play the two three or four. we can have Wesley, Batum, and Wallace in at the same time for defense.
I too think we should keep them both
hg
by BBK on May 26, 2011 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
agreed
And who’s to say we couldn’t us Wallace’s expiring contract when it comes up to cash in on a good PG? He’ll still be a good player by then and some team will take the chance….although I do want to see how he looks with the team after a full training camp. I think he’ll be an allstar level SF again, especially in the west.
by Eric Loftin on May 26, 2011 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
it could happen
Amnesty for Roy.. let him play for a team for the right price where the fans won’t cringe ever time he only plays for 18 min and only every other game… I hope he can find a way to go out feeling loved and not for dragging the team down…
Trade Miller, Oden and Wallce or Batum for Deron Williams, GET IT DONE ALLEN! lol
Face it, CP3 is never coming to portland… but Deron might just to piss off Utah! and a starting lineup of Williams, Matthews, Wallace or Batum, Aldridge and “fill in your future center here” would leave the blazers only maybe 2 decent players away from the finals…
but then again I’m just dreaming…..
by blazefanin97123 on May 26, 2011 12:23 AM PDT reply actions
Camby and Miller both feel like deadline deal types if we become sellers at the trade deadline – both because of their contracts and the lack of depth at their position.
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by The Cactus Leaguer on May 26, 2011 12:26 AM PDT reply actions
Forgot to mention
Excellent analysis as always Dave, thanks.
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by The Cactus Leaguer on May 26, 2011 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions
What begs the question now is who the blazers would want in return.
Miller + filler for: Mo Williams $9 million, Kirk Hinrich $8 million, Devin Harris $9 million, Raymond Felton $8 million. The next tier of players including Tony Parker, Steve Nash and the superstars make too much money to be had without giving up a second starter for salary matching purposes.
Camby + filler: Chris Kaman $12 million, Emeka Okafor $12 million, Al Jefferson $14 million, Nenê $12 million. Anyone better than these guys isn’t going anywhere unless is is a sweetheart deal. Forget about Bogut, Noah, Horford, Bynum and Howard – the asking price for these studs will start with LMA.
I didn’t include players on their rookie scales because no team in their right mind would want to take on the salary from an aging starter in their thirties and give up on a low paid player with potential in their low twenties. The low hanging fruit in the market for Centers and Point guards does not look to have (m)any players that would be immediate upgrades for a Blazers team that is in win now mode. I just don’t see a move for an established player that makes a whole lot of sense for both teams.
Are any of these players a big enough upgrade to warrant parting ways with Andre Miller or Marcus Camby? Keep in mind you are breaking up the continuity and chemistry between players that has developed over the past two seasons.
Who is missing from this list that should be a target?
How does this comment help us get CP3?
by Oden Mad, Oden Smash! on May 26, 2011 1:34 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Their chemistry extends beyond 2 years
Remember: Camby and Miller played together on Denver, too.
Faith applied reasonably is practical magic.
by Matthews vs Roy... Fight! on May 26, 2011 2:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Of all those guards you listed
I would rather make a trade to move up in the draft and get one of the rookie PG’s.
Between Kyrie Irving, Kemba Walker, and Brandon knight, I’d rather have one of them then Mo Williams, Captain Kirk, or D-Harris,. Wouldn’t really mind Felton or Nash as much if we could get them but some new blood could be refreshing.
Just saying I would almost rather take a gamble in the draft for one of these (unproven) future stars then make a trade for one of the more proven bottom tier PG’s in the league.
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by NorthWest Connection on May 26, 2011 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
How could I forget Jameer Nelson
I trade Miller + filler for him for days.
by Oden Mad, Oden Smash! on May 26, 2011 1:38 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Long thought Miller for Nelson
Would be good for both teams.
Nelson has that “scrappiness” Nate likes,can create his own shot,has adequate 3pt range and knows how to exist as a second/third banana.
Howard would feast on Miller lobs and Miller’s low post game would suit all the Orlando shooters.(And if Orlando buys into draft and picks up a young PG to groom,Miller’s contract offers needed savings down the line.)
It would prob have to be a future Portland First,Miller for Nelson,maybe a Second as Nelso is the younger player and Portland would be initiating the trade.
Miller was on the bench
in our most crucial time during game 6…
Jameer would run a great pick-and-roll with LMA. He can shoot and finish at the rim. Getting a ball handler who can do that should be a top priority.
wha??
by Hipster Olympic Team! on May 26, 2011 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I though Jameer played very well in the playoffs this year.
He took over the third quarter of a game
by Oden Mad, Oden Smash! on May 26, 2011 12:02 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Looking at regular season stats,
he was about equal to Miller. Similar points, rebounds, overall shooting %. Miller a bit higher on assists, Jameer much higher 3 point %. But I’m thinking if Miller had Dwight Howard to toss lobs to, he’d be quite a bit higher on assists. Just don’t see him as the needed upgrade at all.
Dre and Dwight are a match made in heaven
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by sammymohawk on May 27, 2011 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Nope, Dwight Howard and Chris Paul would be a devine pairing.
If the Magic want to keep Howard in Orlando, then acquiring Paul is the way to do it.
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Keep LMA, GW, We$, Nic, Oden
Rudy can and will go. No way Rudy is in a blazers uni next year. Cross our fingers and hope that EWill returns healthy enough to play 10-15 mins a game. USE AMNESTY ON ROY if possible. Everyone knows he is too much of a risk.
A trade built around Rudy, Miller and Camby could still generate some decent interest as well as a decent player or two in return.
" Yeah, this is pretty much me, every day. Staring at butt holes and getting my buzz on. "
Maybe, maybe not:
No way Rudy is in a blazers uni next year.
I heard that last year too. I also heard it about Travis Outlaw for four years before it finally happened. Expiring contracts will have more value around the trade deadline. But the expiring contract has never been as valuable as purported.
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I cannot disagree with you.
Just want to add perspectives on BRoy. The New CBA is trying to reduce salary and guaranteed contract. If that happens, BRoy won’t be as expensive as he is right now. If it wasn’t for his high salary he would be a very good player coming off the bench with his BBIQ and experience. Plus if he uses his time off the court and doing pending lock out, he may become the Ace outside shooter that the Blazers are desperately looking for. And we can use all his other skills on limited minutes at the same time. Referring to his game 4 heroics.
So, I surely don’t disagree with your assessment, just not sure it isn’t too early to tell.
hg
Wait and See
until we have a new CBA. If a hard CAP is a part of it, then a number of teams will be looking at their rosters and debating many of the same issues. This, in turn, will lead to restructuring rosters, player movement and trades. To make a hard CAP work, they will have to have an amnesty clause, shorter contracts, fewer guarantees and the like. As a result, we’re trying to forecast our future on the existing groundrules, and they appear about to change. I see virtually little or nothing happening on the free agent and trade front until this is done. Then, we’ll know what to do. If teams can’t pay three superstars and pay for everyone else, one will have to move one. We may end up keeping Batum, and moving Wallace – for example. Talent may end up being spread around more. Depth will be affected. And for now, the fans are on the sidelines.
Excellent...
Excellent presentation and well thought out arguements. I can’t find much to disagree with, of course this is the N.B.A. during a tumultous time. Thus you can site The Kiki Factor. Sometimes despite what appears to be the reality on paper, you wake up to hear that Wayne Cooper, Calvin Natt and Lafayette Lever all have been traded for somethng called a Kiki…
Dave your presentation makes perfect sense. It’s well thought out and logical. This franchise unfortunately doesn’t always think things out and react logically.
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
It's called dead in the water
But instead of having temporary engine difficulties with some repair needed (or even just an empty fuel tank), the organization has went “all in” on Roy, Oden, and rotating GM’s as fall guys, and have essentially mortgaged their future. PA almost seems indifferent and I’m not sure he is that concerned about failure…..One thing can be assumed from his actions…..he’s not too much on the (basket)ball when it comes to organizing/leading his group into a legitimate and respected franchise.
Up and running.........and almost defending.
New GM will be hamstrung
Surely any new GM we hire will not be entrusted to deal with such glaring and far-reaching franchise issues as Oden’s deal and any B-Roy amnesty or resolution….no way. They would not rust any newbie for that. Those are too big. Those wil come right from the top, and I would imagine Uncle Paul still does not know what to do either.
I think Dave’s assesment is safe here and we’ll likely have a quiet draft day, unless a minor deal to move up and clear some roster space presents itself. Mr Buchannan can hanlde any of that.
Agree that the potential options of the next GM are not great. Proabably Cho
will look back on it and decide that his firing was probably a good thing for him.
A trade won't pass
the sniff test. Unless another team is really gunning for Batum (or something) and willing to fork it out, no trade makes sense. The assets to upgrade aren’t there. We need a couple more studs for next year’s playoffs. I pray that they’re already on the team. Miller, Mathews, Williams, Alderidge, and Oden could be a terrific lineup. Brandon, Batum, and Camby would be tough off the bench. Maybe Mills, Johnson(s), or even Pendegraph could step it up. Don’t forget about Elliott the mystery man. I know it’s a long shot, but we might be just fine to stand pat.
When you said Williams in the line-up did U mean Wallace or Elliot Williams
If you meant Elliot then your last statement is puzzling. Other then that If it was Wallace instead of Williams then I agree with your statement completely—Standing pat for right now other then what to do with Rudy isn’t such a long shot, Heck, we might buy Rudy some special 3 goggles that would cure his slump. U can’t hit what you can’t see. also with a possible lockout and leg strength BRoy could give us that outside shooting, and you know LMA will be in with both units.
hg
If Rashard Lewis became available through amnesty
I feel like we could pick him up at a “value” and then use Nic, Rudy, and maybe Babbit or a pick in a package for a quality PG. Maybe a Jameer Nelson, or Raymond Felton, or Tony Parker, or even Monta Ellis. Some sort
All those guys are questionable “fits” with the team, but also undeniable upgrades to our PG rotation. The guy I find most intriguing is Ellis because he cold take over as our go to perimeter scorer. Roy could run the “facilitator” role (its hard to call Roy a PG) and Monta be the scoring guard. Or Miller could run the point opposite either Roy or Monta. And Monta could be an effective PG next to Matthews. And he’s a sneaky kinda defender that can create turnovers and run.
Roy/Miller
Ellis/Matthews
Wallace/______
Aldridge/Camby
Oden/Camby
Is that a good enough lineup to lose Nic and Rudy for? I say yes. Flexibility is a scary thing.
Just dreamin’…..
i don't like monta ellis all that much
but it’s tough to get win shares when you play for golden state….ellis, curry and lee are still all great players who just don’t have the talent around them (or the defensive intensity) to win games
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by LeGarrette Blount's Right Fist on May 26, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
It's not about how many you win, it's about how responsible you are for the games you do win.
Look at Kevin Love, his win shares are great.
He plays for Golden State
Don’t bring that weak win shares argument to the table!!!
With a strict coach like Nate, on a playoff team where winning is put first, with vets like Miller, Camby, and Roy to keep him in line, all that talent could be HUGE for us.
Yeah, it’d be an experiment. But a lights out pure scorer is exactly what we need alongside LMA, Crash, and Oden. Roy was that guy, but he’s not anymore. I think it could work. And for a package of Nic and Rudy, it’d be worth it in a heartbeat!
Sorry if you are unimpressed by his TS%WS+/-shoesize=FG/FTreb% gobbilty goop. The guy is a baller and playing in the least disciplined system in the league that has no hope of making the playoffs.
And I started this whole thought with us picking up Rashard Lewis, I should have included him on that depth chart.
Roy/Miller
Ellis/Matthews
Wallace/Lewis
Aldridge/Lewis
Oden/Camby
Thats a darn good roster.
Why is everyone here in love with Jameer Nelson
He got dominated by Kirk Hinrich in the playoffs, and they are both in that same level of 2nd or 3rd tier PGs that are fine starters but wont really make or break a team.
He just isnt that great. He had one really good year, and since then has regressed. He is also injury prone.
Agreed. I'd say any Nic + weak players package for a quality PG is dreaming.
It’s a nice dream though.:)
wha??
by Hipster Olympic Team! on May 26, 2011 10:34 AM PDT reply actions
Mathews
is a guy i would be willing to move. We would be selling High. He had a good year, vs. Rudy who we would be selling low. Also, his contract is large enough to bring back value. I wouldn’t mind playing Batum as a 2 guard if we were able to part w BRoy also. Packaging WM and AM could bring a big time player.
I don't get the fascination with Nic as a guards.
Guards need to be able to handle the rock. Bringing the ball up the floor in Europe and crossing over against Tony Allen are two totally different things.
wha??
by Hipster Olympic Team! on May 26, 2011 11:32 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
In term of our overseas assets...
I’d hope Buchanan and the gang keep Freeland, since he’s our best option to add quality big man depth for free in 2012. Will be interesting if the Blazers front office continues scouting and talking to him in person at the Eurobasket this fall and at the Olympics. Complete wild card: Fellow unsigned 2nd round long ago draft pick Sinanovic became a teammate of Freeland this year, and played great in some games. Great as in: He’d be better than some of our big-man scrubs in recent years. Would be funny if the Blazers still benefit from a pick like 5 GMs ago.
Petteri might be useful as a cheap combo guard if we trade the rest of our depth chart, but he’s unlikely to qualify for any PGOTF status. With having Wallace and Nic and Luke in place, Claver could easily be used as a throw-in to a deal.
Blazers best strategy: Dump everyone except Roy, because you’re stuck with him.
Then fill the other 14 slots on the roster with players on minimum contracts. Just look for players that Miami didn’t want even at minimum wage.
In other words, blow up the team, then try to rebuild once Roy’s contract is over.
Agreed
Me: "I heard the BCS just bought March Madness.......the vote should be out tomorrow and we will see Duke and Kansas in the championship game"
by 92wastheyear on May 26, 2011 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Why dump Lamarcus?
What are the odds of getting a top 5 power forward in their prime years through the draft?
Slim to none. Hitting the bottom of the barrel ensures you get to chance your future on one high draft pick once a year, then wait until they mature.
Lamarcus and Greg are still a very nice duo to build around, assuming Greg is ever healthy, which—again—the draft isn’t likely going to furnish a player of his size and upside any time soon.
Basically, having Oden and LMA is like having two number 1 picks and using them on the best guys. One is now great, the other could be—should be—might be—well…we’re praying for him…
wha??
by Hipster Olympic Team! on May 26, 2011 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Batum, Rudy, and Andre
for CP3 or D-Will?
Do you think this would ever be possible, even involving a few other players?
"It's probably a twelve-day. He needs two days to wake up." - MJ on a ten-day contract teammate
by NorthWest Connection on May 26, 2011 1:08 PM PDT reply actions
What would it take to get Chris Paul?
I remember there was a lot of talk of this a while back. CP3 wanted out of NO and apparently wanted to play with Roy. I know it’s not the same situation anymore with Roy but what would it take to swing something with our old buddy Monty Williams?
"It's probably a twelve-day. He needs two days to wake up." - MJ on a ten-day contract teammate
by NorthWest Connection on May 26, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I would think they may entertain some other offers if
it’s going to be a similar situation as last year with Carmelo and D-Will. That being that their respective teams knowing that they wanted out and being forced between two decisions. Those being to trade the player now to atleast get a return or wait till they are unrestricted FA’s and being left in the dust a la Cleveland last summer.
"It's probably a twelve-day. He needs two days to wake up." - MJ on a ten-day contract teammate
by NorthWest Connection on May 26, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
the thing is that in that scenario
other teams can offer better packages if we’re keeping Aldridge off the table
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Maybe there will be team contraction.
New Orleans could be on the chopping block.
New Orleans players and coaches will have to be re-absorbed into existing teams.
Monty Williams will insist on coming back to Portland WITH CP3.
a contraction draft would be nuts
I just have this feeling like the draft order would be jiggered in a way where the big markets would benefit more than the Sacramento’s of the league. Imagine CP3 on the Cav’s.
by Oden Mad, Oden Smash! on May 26, 2011 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Another aspect on CP3
He has a progressive injury to his knee the same as BRoy. With no mencias it is just a matter of time.
So you will be trading a up and coming player in Batum for another knee causality in CP3 along with Rudy and a very serviceable Dre. Not sure I would want to make that trade. I am not sure NOH would want that trade since they would be sacrificing the few good years that CP3 has for a up and coming player that may not produce at the level of his potential.
hg
Or anyway we could trade Cleveland
for the 1 or 4 pick?
We could get Irving with 1 or Kemba or Knight with 4.
Say Andre, Batum, and Rudy but realistically probably a little more.
Or Minnesota even though 2nd pick is not really necessary considering Derrick Williams is a nice player but not exactly filling our needs.
"It's probably a twelve-day. He needs two days to wake up." - MJ on a ten-day contract teammate
by NorthWest Connection on May 26, 2011 1:14 PM PDT reply actions
Just as a note on Camby
It appears that his cap hit will drop next year because of unearned incentives. I’m still trying to work on the numbers (so far as I understand them), but it looks like Camby’s 2011-12 cap hit will drop to about $10 or $11 million.
This doesn’t change his status this year or the chances that he’s dealt.
Who we should trade
Rudy is obviouly the best option because he can’t hit the broad side of a barn and he is worth another decent player. Batum, if you could get another good player for him, is tradable. See how the young guys play this year then trade them for depth depending on how bad or good they are.
by whatdidhejustsay? on May 26, 2011 5:40 PM PDT reply actions
Dre, Rudy Ridnour, Darko, Tony Randolph?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3jnfa5b
Trade also works with Camby instead of Dre.
Is change good?
The current roster only has 3 players (Roy, Oden, and Aldridge) who have been on the team for at least 4 years. Of those 3 years, Oden has missed 2 complete seasons, and this past season for Roy was a disaster. Its obvious that injuries and age have affected the team but with the new additions and players rehabing, why not give them one more season to play together. I do believe Rudy, Patty, and Luke can all be traded and we still have a decent pick (no. 21) in the upcoming draft to look for a backup PF, PG, or C in that order. Not to mention there are a few free agents this summer to show interest in (Pryz, Nene, Chuck Hayes, and Dalembert to name a few. I think you give THIS team a training camp and one full season before any huge decisions are made.
I agree except for Babbit being traded.
He was a rookie with little playing time and is a highly nervous person, but that same nervousness will make him work harder because his conditions are caused from fear of failure which usually causes failure until curtailed. And patience and playing time will cure that. Plus from what I hear, he is a heck of a shooter.
hg
Though Babbit is a NICE shooter the 2/3 spots are already jammed with much higher talent and potential. I was simply implying that losing one or three of those guys would not hurt us next season. Also, along with keeping this roster and adding one or two pecies through the draft and free agency, not trading, Portland should really look into hiring Danny Ferry as the GM and keep him for more than ten months. This draft could be nice for Portland with players such as Nolan Smith, Kenneth Faried, Trey Thompkins, and JuJuan Johnson being mocked lower than the no. 21 spot. None of these players I believe will be huge stars, but an athletic, defensive and rebounding minded 4 off the bench or a very intelligent combo guard would be a nice addition to the core 8 guys. (Miller, Roy, Matthews, Wallace, Batum, Aldridge, Oden, Camby)
by Blazerfromafar on May 27, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Package....21....Rudy......Babbitt.....and move up.
What the Blazers will do is anyones guess…..even they won’t know until it’s done! Come On Dynasty !!!!!!!
We must endeavor to persevere.
Amenesty clause?
I keep seeing people advocating using the Amnesty clause (assuming there is one) on Brandon Roy. I can see Paul Allen deciding to do this, because it would save him some money. How can you push for this as a fan though? It saves luxury tax dollars, but creates no cap room, brings nothing back to the team. All it does is open up a roster spot. As fans, why would we want to see that?…

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