Go Heat!

by Batman_88 on May 25, 2011 6:01 AM PDT

I'm 100% a Portland Trail Blazers fan. I graduated from Grant High School in Northeast Portland. I remember when Brandon Roy came to the Grant vs. Roosevelt football game in his rookie season, and I remember seeing Greg Oden's rally in Pioneer Square.

Having said that, I'm supporting the Miami Heat for the rest of these playoffs. Here's why you should support the Heat too.

We all know what LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, and the Heat did, and we all know how it was received. There’s no point in recapping it here. My question is this: why was it so terrible? I'm not talking about the "victory" parade; I'm talking about going to the Heat together.

There is no debating that even the greatest basketball players need help in order to win. Jordan had Pippen and so many more great supporting players. Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, and Ray Allen each never won until they joined forces with each other, Rajon Rondo and the rest of the Celtics. At first, Kobe needed Shaq. When Shaq left, Kobe tried by himself, but didn’t win again until he found Pau Gasol.

I also believe that these players desperately want to win. Do they want to win more than they want to make money? I don’t know, and honestly I don’t think it’s a worthwhile question to ponder. Sit down and watch the games. For the vast majority of the time these guys are playing their hardest. And please spare me your view that college players play hard and NBA players just coast. College players 1- for the most part aren’t any good, and 2-play two games a week for a few months of the year. NBA players play 82 games a year plus potentially 28 more playoff games. Each one of those games lasts longer, is faster paced, and is more physically demanding than a college game. The travel schedules are far more demanding than those of college players as well.

Having established those two points, I would submit the following. Why do we ask the best basketball players in the world to allow basketball executives to have such a huge role in determining their careers both on the court and financially? First of all, many NBA executives are terrible. To quote our favorite Blazers blog Blazersedge, for every Pat Riley there’s an Isaiah Thomas. We could go on. Second of all, the players are the ones who are central to the entire NBA enterprise. They sacrifice themselves on the court every game. They drive the league’s revenue (tickets, merchandise, etc.). Their careers and financial futures are on the line. Why aren’t we more concerned about what they want?

Why should LeBron James trust Dan Gilbert, Danny Ferry, and Mike Brown with his future? It’s his life, not theirs. He’s the one who’s killing himself out there, not those guys. Why do we ask him to dutifully stand by the Cleveland Cavaliers and live with every decision they make? I’m not saying those guys were terrible executives, but LBJ is the one on the floor. He's the one making the product. He felt like those guys weren’t giving him the opportunity to play with players he wanted to play with. So he left.

Good for him!

I think LBJ went to Miami to win. Maybe he just went to party on South Beach. We can't know for sure. But he says he went there to win. He took less money to go there. And they are winning, in no small part due to his magnificent play. Even if part of LBJ’s motivation was to party on South Beach—what’s wrong with that? To each his own! He has no duty to any of us, Cleveland fans included.

At the end of the day, LBJ is a basketball player and we like to watch basketball. LBJ tries his best to win basketball games and we like to watch him do so. If we don’t like what he’s doing on the court, then we don’t have to watch. We don’t have to buy tickets to his games, and we don’t have to buy his jersey. I for one enjoy watching LBJ play, and I think most people feel the same way.

In America we like to view athletes as objects given to us for our enjoyment--objects to be manipulated by those around them. Well I have news for you. LBJ is an intelligent, grown man. He is not an object, not a “piece” that executives can “build around”. He’s the master of his own fate.

I applaud LeBron James for standing up to hypocrisy in modern professional sports, and I think you should do the same. Go Heat!

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wooo heat

if they win the title this year, it will make our victory over them in next year’s finals that much more dramatic

Fire Nate; hire Rick Adelman
(time and money cures all wounds)
trade for Iggy
goal for next year: go year without using hardship exemption

by thomasikehara on May 25, 2011 6:16 AM PDT reply actions

I almost always root for the West over the East

Also, I dislike the idea of teams having more than a couple superstars, maybe even more than one superstar.

The league is already talent deficient and top-heavy anyways, literally revolving around a small number of teams, that big-name players teaming up will create even more unstable and “pretender” teams, even more “bottom feeders” with no where to go.

I would rather watch 30 evenly matched teams, than 5 really good teams beating the other 25 teams every year – even if it means each individual team is of lower quality than the potential super-teams. In the end, I want players to believe in a league that is larger than themselves.

Part of being a athlete, no part of being a STAR athlete, is that fans come to love you. They prop you up on a giant pedestal, buy tickets and jersey’s so they can come cheer for you. LeBron doesn’t make $20 million in basketball, and probably twice as much from outside basketball, because we fans don’t care what he does. So when LeBron makes a decision for himself, he is also making that decision for the people who love him, and when someone makes a decision that hurts someone who loves them, well they should expect this.

I understand why LeBron did what he did, but it was still a selfish move, it was not a move for the fans, it was a move so he could justify his ego and compete with Jordan for number of rings. Is that what we want the league to be about? Is that what you want your league to be, a giant cock-measuring contest? Or do you want it to be about humble players representing their home-town through thick and thin? This league is already bordering close enough to a “me-first” league, where giant ego’s care more about money and championships than trying to give the fans the good basketball.

by Sir.Ludo on May 25, 2011 8:29 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs

one could consider a player joining with other stars as selfless

as their stats will most assuredly drop, a sacrifice made for the gain of the team

Fire Nate; hire Rick Adelman
(time and money cures all wounds)
trade for Iggy
goal for next year: go year without using hardship exemption

by thomasikehara on May 25, 2011 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions

yes...that is what Lebron is all about...being selfless...

He wants a championship. How is that selfless?

by Natsthecat on May 25, 2011 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions

He's a basketball player!

That’s supposed to be what he wants! That’s the whole point of playing—to win a championship!!! If that’s selfish, then maybe we should reexamine whether being “selfish” is a bad thing after all.

by Batman_88 on May 25, 2011 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions

That's the whole point of playing?

To win a championship?

I’m guessing you’re not an athlete (a guess bolstered by the ridiculous claim in the original post that most college players aren’t any good). The point of playing is to push yourself to the limits of your abilities, against a variety of competition, and to see how much you can improve over time.

If the only point were winning championships, then we could call the careers of probably 98% of all athletes pointless. Find me an athete who would admit to that.

Competitive athletics are about a lot of things—building individual skills, team cooperation, and character—and the goal of “winning it all” is merely an incentive to achieving those more important goals.

by VTDuck on May 27, 2011 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions

I should have been more precise.

I mean to say that relative to NBA players, most college players aren’t any good. That’s an argument that I will stand by.

I also was not accurate enough on the 2nd point. I don’t mean to say that the only point of playing from the athlete’s perspective is to win a championship. What I meant is that all we as fans can ask of from our athletes is that they give 100% effort towards that goal. Within the scope of trying to win a championship, I as a fan expect athletes to display individual skills, cooperation, teamwork, and the other traits that you mentioned.

Off the court though, they can do what they like. I think we as fans like to project those ideals—character, teamwork, leadership, etc.—onto all aspects of athletes’ lives, including how they conduct their off the court professional business. I prefer to focus on their performance on the court and leave everything else to the side.

I realize that this is not the mainstream view of the relationship between fans and athletes. However, I think it’s the view that is fairest.

by Batman_88 on May 27, 2011 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions

so, he should care about stats and money

more than a championship

Fire Nate; hire Rick Adelman
(time and money cures all wounds)
trade for Iggy
goal for next year: go year without using hardship exemption

by thomasikehara on May 25, 2011 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions

I'm going for Dallas to win it all,

because regardless of what anyone has said – it WILL make ME feel a tiny better that we lost against the Champs in the first round.

by blazerbeliever on May 25, 2011 8:37 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs

also I'd like Dirk to win. He's getting older and he's been playing his butt off.

And I’d like the Heat to lose. I don’t like Lebron and probalby never will.

by Natsthecat on May 25, 2011 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions

Entitlement

I think there are several reasons many people, including myself, do not like the whole Miami situation. First, to answer your question about why we ask basketball players to allow executives to exert so much control over them professionally and financially, I believe that we are all used to having that exact same model in our own professional lives. In fact, our current model is built on our employers having a certain amount of say in our professional opportunities and financial reimbursements. There is a feeling that athletes can do whatever they want, and many of them feel they deserve that right. I just think that it rubs people the wrong way because we all have to play by the rules where your boss tells you what to do, and to see millionaires whining about lack of freedom in their jobs seems ridiculous.

The other main reason I don’t like what happened is that it is called collusion, and no small market team will ever come out on top where that kind of thing is allowed. Anyone interested in competition, fair play and possibly having their small market team come out on top should be at least uneasy about the Miami situation.

To me, all these athletes work for the NBA. Do I care if there are certain restrictions on freedom of the players similar to the restrictions placed on most people at their own places of employment? No. Miami just seems like a great example of the inmates running the prison. As a lover of basketball, I just wish the emphasis of the NBA was on fielding competitive basketball games more than developing individual brands.

by blazed on May 25, 2011 8:45 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs

Management gets paid to manage because they are supposedly good at it. What’s the point of player personnel guys if the best they can do with an ~80 million payroll is ancient Shaq, Mo Williams, Andy Varejao, Antwan Jamison and rookie JJ Hickson? The only thing more pathetic than “the Decision” was watching Dan Gilbert freak out all year despite the disaster in Cleveland being his fault more than anything.

i keep dancing on my own.

by atomiccafe on May 25, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions

the nba hits its popularity peak in the 80s

and in that time period there were two good teams—both with arguably better big threes than miami

yet the nba prospered

Fire Nate; hire Rick Adelman
(time and money cures all wounds)
trade for Iggy
goal for next year: go year without using hardship exemption

by thomasikehara on May 25, 2011 9:02 AM PDT reply actions

parity is more important to fans today though.

the nfl is significantly more popular than the NBA, at least in part because there is a huge turnover in who is good from year to year. if you’re team is bad this year, all you have to do is wait 9 months. meanwhile in the nba, there are at least 20 teams who know they have absolutely no chance of winning a championship next year (and i would include the blazers in that group). and that will continue to drag down attendance numbers and make the league suffer.

by bluthbanana on May 25, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions

The NFL is more popular than the NBA largely because football is more popular in the US than basketball. Also, it seems to me that the same teams are good every year in the AFC (Colts, Steelers, Patriots in particular). NFC’s been more volatile I suppose.

long live the jd.

by jksnake99 on May 25, 2011 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions

Seven different teams have played in the Super Bowl the last 4 years

only Pittsburgh repeating. And over the last decade, some teams that are sorry now have made it: Raiders, Panthers (both AFC), Cardinals. The Patriots run was pretty amazing.

The stability of the NFL makes it wasy for me to be a fan (viva Franchise Tag). I associate the Ravens with Ray Lewis, the Pats with Tom Brady, the Steelers with Hines Ward. In following football I’m hardly ever in the position where I say, gee, I liked Pau Gasol with Memphis but now he’s licking Jack Nicholson’s boots.

scrappy

by Honka Playboy on May 25, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions

Sure, but I can be pretty confident the 6 AFC playoff teams will come from this group of 7: Steelers, Colts, Patriots, Ravens, Jets, Chiefs, Chargers. Maybe there will be one surprise.

Regarding your 2nd point, the following is a list of 2011 pro bowlers who I (as a casual fan) recognized as players who have been on multiple teams (ie there are prob some linemen who have moved teams)

Drew Brees
Wes Welker
Matt Cassell
Michael Vick
Michael Turner
Tony Gonzalez
Julius Peppers
Jonathan Vilma
DeAngelo Hall
Asante Samuel
Champ Bailey
Charles Woodson

I don’t mean to suggest there aren’t some very good things about the NFL that the NBA could do well to copy, I just thing it often gets badly overstated by NFL fans.

long live the jd.

by jksnake99 on May 25, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions

since 2000

as many different teams (8) have won the superbowl as have won the nba championship since 1980.

also, pretty funny how the chiefs made your list of AFC playoff likelys. Would you have said that last year? Kinda proves my point. The Chiefs went from worst to first in a year, something the kings and timberwolves have literally no chance at doing.

by bluthbanana on May 25, 2011 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions

The Thunder began the 2008-2009 season 3-29.

long live the jd.

by jksnake99 on May 25, 2011 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions

and got the 8th seed the next season

which btw, its far easier to make the playoffs in the nba, more than half the teams do it (vs. 37.5% in the NFL). they finished fourth in the division after finishing fifth the season before. not exactly barnstorming.

and now that they are good, would you bet against them missing the playoffs, or even not being a top 4 conf seed, in any season over the next 5-7 years? to me, parity means unpredictability, and no sports is quite as predictable as basketball.

by bluthbanana on May 25, 2011 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions

I understand that pro-bowlers get traded

but they’re not the faces of the franchise, like LeBron in Cleveland, Bosh in Toronto, Shaq in Orlando, Gasol (ha!) in Memphis. Brees in SD? Welker in Miami? Cassell in NE? Fans of those teams may regret losing them, like Carolina’s rue the loss of Peppers, but none of them altered the franchise like will happen to Orlando, again, once Howard leaves. Vick is a special case – maybe Zach Randolph is a comparison.

scrappy

by Honka Playboy on May 27, 2011 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions

and why should lebron be foreced to show loyalty to the cavs

why is it when teams trade players, we say (and rightly so) “its a business” and expect him to have no hard feelings and understand why the team made the trade

but when a player is a free agent, he is considered a traitor if he leaves

Fire Nate; hire Rick Adelman
(time and money cures all wounds)
trade for Iggy
goal for next year: go year without using hardship exemption

by thomasikehara on May 25, 2011 9:04 AM PDT reply actions

Nein

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.
--Alfred Lord Tennyson

by CatMan2 on May 25, 2011 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions

Thanks but... NO!

I don’t like Mike Miller… I Don’t like Chris Bosch… and I MORE then don’t like LeBron and his self absorbed, childish, entitled persona!

I’d much rather pull for Dirk and Co…. Even though I don’t really care for them either… then hope for that dog and pony show to win a trophy.

#7... GO BLAZERS!!!

by Ilikeemall on May 25, 2011 9:57 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs

me too...

I am impressed with the heat for one thing, though….they have turned ME into a hypocrite.

I am rooting for all the teams I used to loathe.

Boston Celtics? Let’s go green!

Dallas? I loved it to tears when the warriors beat them…the look on Cubans face game 4 was priceless….today, go mavs!!!!

Hey, even if it came to an LA-Miami series, I would need to humiliate myself by rooting for kobe & co….

So why? It starts with Riley….he played for Adolf Rupp, at Kentucky….was beat by Texas Western….the mighty midgets….all black starting lineup against the all white, never recruited a black guy, Rupp….great

Then there was his Gordon Gecko phase…then Lebron….like this guy says, self-absorbed, and so on and so on….can’t root for him….no way…..anybody but them!!!!

by inpresence on May 25, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions

what Dallas needs to do to beat Miami

by inpresence on May 26, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions

that didn't work...what Dallas needs to do to beat Miami...again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3jTGahAcKU&feature=related

by inpresence on May 26, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions

I’ve been rooting for the Heat to win the East. I would root for Dallas over them tough.

long live the jd.

by jksnake99 on May 25, 2011 9:58 AM PDT reply actions

No Way.

I see what you are saying, but to applaud players banding together in this way is to applaud an eventual dominance by big city and warm weather market teams. I don’t have much interest in watching an NBA where all the good players flock to Miami, Phoenix, LA, New York, and Chicago uninhibited by fairness clauses in the CBA. You can rest assured that Portland is bottom 5 on the list of desirable destinations for NBA players, and I don’t wanna be a perpetual bottom 5 team.

by The Penguin on May 25, 2011 10:19 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs

I can't

I refuse.

Master of the Universe

by KD1 on May 25, 2011 10:27 AM PDT reply actions

Oh hey guys!

For sure, you can drag back out that old W-A-L-L-A-C-E Blazers jersey you confiscated from your kid a few years ago. The thing takes on a new meaning today.
-John Canzano

by My_Name_A_Rudy on May 25, 2011 10:35 AM PDT reply actions

nope

Don’t like them. Don’t like the collusion that brought them together. Pat Riley makes me throw up in my mouth. I’d suggest that, first by installing the boring physicality of the ’80s and now by bringing together a Super Team, he can claim to have made the NBA a less enjoyable league twice in his career

scrappy

by Honka Playboy on May 25, 2011 11:25 AM PDT reply actions

What about Lebron effectively flipping of the Cavs' fans with his "Decision"?

Sorry, I just think he’s a giant egotistical jerk.

Holding out for Hedo

by T$ 225 on May 25, 2011 11:43 AM PDT reply actions

Dirk deserves a ring more than Lebron, Bosh and Wade put together.

GO MAVS

\\\oo///

by RudiFTW on May 25, 2011 12:30 PM PDT reply actions 7 recs

man, you are always right.

by hoodieNation on May 25, 2011 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions

If we were friends you'd be getting the cold shoulder and the silent treatment

by blazerblaze on May 25, 2011 1:14 PM PDT reply actions

douchetastic.

I can’t even root for them against the Lakers. When those teams play, I root for commercials.

by howlingfantods on May 25, 2011 2:01 PM PDT reply actions

when those two teams play, I root for a comet to strike the earth.

by hoodieNation on May 25, 2011 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions

Mavs are playing out of this world right now.

LeBron James (a.k.a. JaBron[i] Lames) is a Lame Jabroni.

I’ve no idea what a “Jabroni” actually is, but LeBron is terrible. Case in point.

Go Mavs this year.

Q: "Why are the Heat losing?"
'Dre: "That's for them to figure out. We did our job."

by Oh. Em. Gee. on May 25, 2011 2:27 PM PDT via mobile reply actions

I hope the MAVS destroy the Heat in the Finals

I dont want to see the Heat win anything, EVER

As if the blind rage had washed me clean, I opened myself to the gentle indifference of the world... For everything to be consummated, for me to feel less alone, I had only to wish that there be a large crowd of spectators the day of my execution and that they greet me with cries of hate.

by thankyouforblaze on May 25, 2011 3:35 PM PDT reply actions

I've never understood the hate for Miami

the Heat haters have been in my experience a bunch of irrational whiners. I don’t like LA or Boston, so I’m ecstatic that Miami took out the Celtics and Dallas took out LA. I’m really looking forward to the finals and I’ll probably be pulling for Miami if they can close out the Bulls, (I’m not counting out Chi just yet).

by billsfan4life on May 25, 2011 3:50 PM PDT reply actions

it's not Miami hate. It's the whole "THE DECISION" hate. At least that's what it is for me.

I like Wade and think the turtle man is over rated but feel no hate for the rest of the team.
Just feel that Lebron is a classless….and don’t think his behavior should be rewarded.

by Natsthecat on May 25, 2011 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions

the "Decision" didn't bother me

I think the fans and media have been huge hypocrites in regards to LeBron. Everyone was asking him for 2 years what he was going to do in free agency, in NYC they cared more about signing LeBron than winning games the previous 2 seasons. His ‘decision’ was one of the biggest NBA stories in the last decade and would completely change the power balance in the NBA. Fans and media wanted the “decision”, not a press conference, but a reality tv style program. They didn’t like the outcome and are killing LeBron for it. I don’t hold it against LeBron, he needed somebody better than Mo Williams on his team.

I like LeBron just as much or as little as I always did, sure he’s an arrogant jerk, but he’s one of the best basketball players I’ve ever seen play and I love watching him play the game.

by billsfan4life on May 25, 2011 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions

Good point--

if people had been bugging Durant for two years about whether he’d extend with the Thunder or not, would he have made a bigger deal out of signing his extension than he did?

We built the beast, so to speak. I never quite thought of it that way before.

by Batman_88 on May 25, 2011 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions

I think that's a nice summary of my post

Also, think about LeBron’s history, he was on the cover of Sports Illustrated in high school, his high school games were televised on ESPN! He’s been told he’s going to be the greatest basketball player ever since he was 15 years old, imagine how that would affect someone’s personality. Sure he’s not completely well adjusted, but does that surprise you? He’s embraced the media and the anointed title of “king” and that leads to the kind of personality that he has. Honestly I think he’s handled the attention pretty well.

by billsfan4life on May 25, 2011 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions

Lots of really great points...

Thanks for the comments and discussion everyone! I have to say though, I don’t think posting a one word comment — “no” — is a way to have a constructive discussion.

I know most people don’t agree with me on the Heat. I posted this to inspire a discussion (which it has), not to give people a chance to dump their bad feelings towards the Heat into the blogosphere without any sort of justification or reasoning.

People brought up a lot of really good points though, and I want to address a couple of them.

“Miami just seems like a great example of the inmates running the prison”
-blazed

That’s exactly the type of reasoning that inspired me to write this post. NBA players are not inmates! They’re not in a prison! They are entitled to do what they please. If their actions somehow dilute the quality of the game, then we as fans are allowed to express our feelings through our spending (tickets, merchandise, etc.). Ultimately the idea is that the league and players will come up with a CBA that protects players’ rights while also ensuring a competitive and entertaining league. My point is that I don’t think that’s what happened with the Heat.

As such, the multiple people who posted about parity have a good point. Given the current CBA (and the fact that the new one will most likely have a “harder” cap, rather than “softer”), I don’t think that the league is headed towards any less parity. Yes, the best players might have an incentive to play together. But the small market teams can more or less spend as much as the big market teams (putting aside the luxury tax for now…). The best players’ desire to make as much money as possible will come into conflict with their desire to play with the other best players, hopefully resulting in an equilibrium state that is a competitive and entertaining league.

The other point I want to address is this idea that LeBron is selfish because he wants to win championships. Maybe I’m naive, but I thought that was what basketball players were supposed to want!

The last thing is all the hate for the decision and the victory parade. I get that and I think it’s all justified. I should have said so in the main post.

Thanks again for all the great points.

by Batman_88 on May 25, 2011 4:21 PM PDT reply actions

Meh, I've been rooting for the Heat since they signed the Big 3

I like watching LeBron, want to see him succeed, and I don’t particularly care for anyone else in the East anyway.
Simple as that.

by TheThinWhiteDuke on May 25, 2011 4:23 PM PDT reply actions

GO DALLAS!!!!!!

by hoodieNation on May 25, 2011 9:01 PM PDT reply actions

My question is this: why was it so terrible?

Because Lebron

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by JuwanMVPHoward on May 25, 2011 10:16 PM PDT reply actions

I Refuse to Support the Heat

because if they succeed, it will destroy the NBA. the big three is terrible for the NBA, as fewer teams become more and more stacked, the league might just end up as a touring Exhibition with a few good teams, like some sort of Harlem Globetrotters arrangement playing against little puppet teams.

by YoniRap on May 25, 2011 10:20 PM PDT reply actions

OK, I exaggerated a bit.

but the point remains. the Heat big three signing is destroying the NBA.

by YoniRap on May 25, 2011 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions

yes

because the lakers and celtics super teams of the 80s destroyed the NBA

FIRE BUCHANAN!!

by thomasikehara on May 27, 2011 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions

No offense but this post is really shall I say ignorant.

"It's probably a twelve-day. He needs two days to wake up." - MJ on a ten-day contract teammate

by NorthWest Connection on May 26, 2011 1:24 PM PDT reply actions

Didn't get to finish

but ya “Go Heat!”? . I don’t think anyone outside of Miami wants the Heat to win. It’s nothing against the team as a whole but can pretty much blame it soley on Lebron James. He is just plain pompous and annoying to watch. He also has apsolutely no style on the court as opposed to say MJ and dare I say Kobe. Not fluent at all just crab walks around and bulldozes people over.

Just they way they put themselves together and predicting 7 championships before the first game of the season, traveling around like they are some sort of show. No one likes players that are so arrogant. Humble is the way to go if you want fans.
The Heat are a circus team and I am hoping they lose.

"It's probably a twelve-day. He needs two days to wake up." - MJ on a ten-day contract teammate

by NorthWest Connection on May 26, 2011 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions