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Am I the only one who doesn't hate Oklahoma City?


I've been seeing a lot of hate around BE for the Thunder. Granted, a lot of it is understandable. There's always going to be animosity between division teams. The Blazers and the Sonics were a classic rivalry, and OKC is just Seattle 2.0. I understand that. What I don't understand is how I'm encountering Blazers fans that legitimately hate the Thunder. I don't really get the Laker comparisons that are starting to be dished out.

First off, I understand that they have Kevin Durant and we have Greg Oden. I know that the majority of us fans wish that we had Durant, but we have to understand that it wasn't Presti that made the pick. We didn't hate Chicago because they ended up with Jordan. We hated Jordan because he constantly rubbed it in our faces. I haven't seen any evidence of Kevin Durant Portland-bashing. Which brings me to my next point: all of their players (Save Kendrick Perkins and Nate Robinson to an extent) are fairly likable guys. I have a really hard time finding fault in the personalities of a Durant or a James Harden. Remember, we're not dealing with Kobe Bryant and Ron Artest here. Or even Amar'e Stoudemire and Jason Richardson.

It's easy to hate the Oklahoma City fans because of their low Basketball IQ. It's easy to hate them because they are being heralded as the "loudest fans in the NBA" even though several cities still claim to hold that title, including us. On the contrary, I actually appreciate the OKC fanbase. Not many teams can relocate to a new city and pick up a following as dedicated as the one they have inherited, and I'm glad that fans are coming out to support a small market team. It's good for other small markets who hope to have an NBA franchise some day. On the BBIQ question, yes, they get testy with calls they don't understand fairly often, but you have to understand that many of these people have never attended a professional basketball game before 2009. Many of them are still getting used to the differences between a blocking foul and a charge. You can't expect them to be the most knowledgeable fans in the league after two seasons.

So what if they are "what we were supposed to be"? They just got luckier with injuries and draft picks panning out better. They lucked out. I can't hate a team for being luckier than us. They're not a brash bunch of bullies like the Denver teams of recent years. They're not a ton of whiny, self-entitled jerks (ahem Miami). Why waste my energy hating a team that is clearly not hateable? As far as I'm concerned, I'm happy to have a great intra-divisional rivalry brewing, and I look forward to seeing both our teams progress over the next few years. And if they end up winning a championship before us, kudos to them. At least it wasn't LA, Boston, or Miami.

 

-sk

 

edit: on the issue of the relocation, YES I hate Howard Schultz and YES I hate the new ownership group for Oklahoma City. For more on that watch Sonicsgate. It's worth your time. But it doesn't make me hate the team itself.

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I like em a lot.

They’re in my top three of teams I like to watch who aren’t the Blazers. Really engrossing to watch that rebuilding project. Presti is just knocking it out of the park.

by howlingfantods on May 24, 2011 2:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Sorry to hijack your comment with a non sequitur ...

OKC was just hit by a large tornado. I don’t have any details. Check the news sources you prefer.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.
--Alfred Lord Tennyson

by CatMan2 on May 24, 2011 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Me too.

I can’t stand his whole sneering, dancing, crap-talking act. I would say act like you’ve been there but he obviously has never been there.

by big_dl77 on May 24, 2011 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Since this seems like a rebuke to a fanpost I made...

I will reply!

I think that what we are calling “hate” is a relative term. Do I hate OKC like I hate terrorists, cancer, or clowns? No. Of course not.

I just hate ’em in that organic way that a sports rivalry conjures, like the Eagles hate the Cowboys, like the Sox hate the Yanks, and like the Lakers are hated by…. well… everyone.

It’s not a very PC word, but I figured it goes without saying that we are talking about sports, here, and not anything truly meaningful. I respect the hell out of Presti, Durant, Westbrook, and all. I just, hate them a little, too.

by The Penguin on May 24, 2011 2:41 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

Yeah, but the examples you list make sense-

Eagles and Cowboys, Sox and Yanks-division rivals that have faced off in the playoffs numerous times and have long history of killer battles. Lakers and Cowboys – overly popular bandwagony type teams that have had way more success than karma would dictate, meaning they probably owe their success to dark dealings with Beelzebub.

Portland and OKC? There was a glimmer of a rivalry with Seattle, but only a glimmer since we were never both good at the same time. Hating them because that team was stolen? That makes no sense. Bengals fans didn’t weep for the Browns fans because their team was stolen, or Redskins fans for the Baltimore Colts fans.

The only thing that there is is the Oden/Durant stuff, and frankly, hating the Thunder b/c they ended up with Durant instead of Oden is weaksauce.

by howlingfantods on May 24, 2011 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

The franchises are tied to each other enough.

I agree than none of those things, individually, add up to a real heated rivalry. Put ‘em all together, and it’ll do. All of our rivalries are one way. Who considers Portland a rival?

I mean, I will take the “weaksauce” Oden/Durant thing over the supernatural devil dealing theory as fuel for the fire, I guess.

by The Penguin on May 24, 2011 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd also like to reiterate

that we have the same fanbase as when we were the Sonics, so we still perceive that rivalry. OKC is a completely fresh fanbase, of course they don’t view us as a rival. They have no history with anybody.

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on May 24, 2011 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

*when THEY were the Sonics of course

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on May 24, 2011 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t hate them.

1. I no longer associate the Thunder with Seattle. It’s just been too long now.

2. Every single GM in the league would have taken Oden > Durant, so I can’t hate on them for that.

What else is there left to hate on them for? Being good?

"You know, when you are in the game, you hear 20,000 people behind you, you don't feel anything."
- Nicolas Batum on playing through his shoulder injury during the 2010 playoffs.

by halo_on on May 24, 2011 2:47 PM PDT reply actions  

I only like Durant. Harden is ok too. I think Scott Brooks is so overrated. His little pep talks during timeouts. It's like he's talking

to little kids instead of men. OKC needs a better coach.

Also, I loved seeing Westbrook’s face after the choke job from last night. I was boxscore watching and when I got back from work, watching the replay was just special. Seeing Westbrook getting cocky, right before the collapse. They have been humbled.

by BRoyInThe4th on May 24, 2011 2:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Good post

but I maintain my strong dislike for them. As The Penguin says above…I don’t hate hate them, it’s just that healthy rivalry type of hate. Like I feel for the Dodgers or Cowboys. For a fan like me who tends to be very passionate, that healthy rivalry hate manifests itself in a pretty strong way. I’ve said all along that I have nothing but respect for Durant and the Thunder, there are just certain things that I don’t want them to accomplish, like winning a championship. I don’t consider the Heat, Bulls, or Mavs our rival, so I would prefer any of them winning it to the Thunder winning it.

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on May 24, 2011 2:55 PM PDT reply actions  

I feel no animus toward OKC

Durant is one of the best stories in the league (a no-drama superstar who likes his teammates, is nice to fans, and re-ups with the small market team that drafted him), they have a great fanbase, and the supporting cast is solid/fun too watch. Heck, while I still wish they were the Sonics, I blame Clay Bennett less for that fiasco (and let’s be honest – if Portland dind’t have a team and some rich guy from town threw his $ around to get us one he’d be lionized) than the bloody hands of Howard Schultz and David Stern.

Kevin Durant won me over when he went Rocky IV on Russia this summer.

by blazeraddict on May 24, 2011 2:56 PM PDT reply actions  

If PDX fans hate the OKC Thunder...

Then it’s sour grapes. Lets face it, they’re a better run organization than Portland right now. They’ve made it to the WCF Blazers didn’t. Other than the Blazers OKC Thunder are the other team I enjoy watching and even root for. Until PDX makes smart decisions on draft day, (coulda had CP3 or DWill) signs tougher free agents, (doesn’t sign guys with no knees) those grapes will taste like butt.

by NSXIV503 on May 24, 2011 2:56 PM PDT reply actions  

I hate them because they are a division rival…sour grapes have nothing to do with that and I don’t really care if their organization is better run

by Jam Master Jay on May 24, 2011 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Yeah

I totally disagree with that comment. I view OKC as a rival, I do not want my rivals to be successful. It really is that simple. Just because others don’t view them as a rival doesn’t mean I don’t.

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on May 24, 2011 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Yes.

At first, based on the responses so fat, it would appear that there some people who do NOT hate OKC. But none of them have probably had to live there, or stopped for lunch there and been unable to get sprouts on their pizza, or seen the Blazers lose a 7-game series to the *under while idiot commentators endlessly rehash Greg Oden’s medical history.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.
--Alfred Lord Tennyson

by CatMan2 on May 24, 2011 3:28 PM PDT reply actions  

I want to see the entire OKC franchise fail just because of the relocation.

Teams that are being supported well and have a large history shouldn’t be moved, and screwing the fans in Seattle of the team they grew up with is odious. Seeing them fail would be a gratifying comeuppance.

"I can't recommend highly enough going back and watching old clips of Jose Lopez." -Jeff Sullivan

by joof on May 24, 2011 3:30 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

but again, people only seem to feel that way about the Thunder.

More than a third of the teams in the league has moved, often more than once. Here’s the list: Hawks, Pistons, Kings, Warriors, Wizards, Lakers, Rockets, Nets, Clippers, Grizzlies, Hornets, Thunder. You root for all of them to fail, primarily because they relocated?

Granted some of them left small markets that probably couldn’t support a team now, but many of them left markets that could, and still does.

by howlingfantods on May 24, 2011 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not all of them moved under such disgusting circumstances.

Some of those moves were decades ago before anybody had truly gotten attached to their teams. The way that move was conducted was disgraceful.

by mattisnotfrench on May 24, 2011 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Moved before I was born.

Moved before I was born.
Moved before I was born.
Moved before I was born.
Moved before I was born.
Moved before I was born.
Moved before I was born.
Moved before I was born.
Moved before I was born.
Moved before I was born.
Was only in Vancouver for 6 years before moving.
Rooted for Failure until the Bobcats arrived.
Root for failure.

"I can't recommend highly enough going back and watching old clips of Jose Lopez." -Jeff Sullivan

by joof on May 24, 2011 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also, what Matt said too.

"I can't recommend highly enough going back and watching old clips of Jose Lopez." -Jeff Sullivan

by joof on May 24, 2011 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just because they moved before you were born

doesn’t mean the fanbases there weren’t equally upset when their teams were “stolen.”

This list is nothing compared to the list of NFL teams that have moved, by the way. Teams get moved all the time, and fanbases always cry foul.

I support teams owned by Paul Allen and Al Davis. If I based my feelings about teams on ownership, I’d have to stop being a fan of my own teams.

by howlingfantods on May 25, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

plus they were our brother franchise in the NW

Now they represent nothing! NOTHING!!!!

/Mugatu’d

"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'

by sammymohawk on May 24, 2011 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

^this

For me they now represent the backdoor meddlings of David Stern and his good ol’ boy. I can’t stand Stern and wish no good will on any of his crappy, lie-infested plans or decisions. As far as I’m concerned he is the cancer that keeps me from loving the NBA and the failure of this franchise would be hung on him. It may not be fair to pin that on the Thunder players or fans, but neither was how Seattle and their fans got screwed. I really like Durant as a player and person, but I REALLY would love to see him go somewhere else.

by stax o' wax on May 25, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Thunder are in the Northwest Division

Therefore I will never root for them. And they beat the Blazers 3 timers this year. Just like Denver and Utah, I will always root against them. Minnesota doesn’t count.

by brobot on May 24, 2011 3:43 PM PDT reply actions   3 recs

This is my reason.

I was born in Seattle but moved to Corvallis when I was very young. I root for the Trailblazers, Seahawks, Mariners, Beavers, Timbers. I never hated the Super Sonics the way I hated the Jazz, Lakers, Nuggets, Ducks. I have tons of family in the Seattle area and visit regularly. The people there are some of the best fans in the world and Seattle is one of the great cities in this country.

The way that OKC stole the franchise with backroom dealing and outright lies is despicable. I hope they never win another game again and that the ownership loses as much money as possible. They are pure sleaze and I hate them. (I really had to restrain myself from using profanity there.)

I am not bitter about the Oden pick because I still believe in Greg. It’s not like he is some stiff like Darko or has had a chronic injury of a certain type ala Roy. He has had a series of serious but recoverable injuries and still has the potential to be the best center in the NBA.

To wrap everything up I don’t hate OKC, I hate the Thunder. I hate the people who own the team and I hope they fail and sell and move back to Seattle where they belong.

by shteveo on May 24, 2011 3:43 PM PDT reply actions   4 recs

I'm rooting against the Thunder.

I guess part of it is jealousy, but that’s a small part. I mostly don’t like all the hype that they receive. Even with all of our injuries last year, we still finished with a better overall record than they did. However, when all the predictions came out this year, practically everyone ranked the Thunder above us. I guess it didn’t make very much sense at the time.

Also, I’m rooting against the Thunder because they’re a division rival and because they’re going to be good for a very long time. The window for some teams, like the Spurs, Mavericks, and Celtics will be closing soon, but the Thunder will probably be the best team in the West for the next decade. I don’t want them to get anything to brag about just yet.

"Nicolas! You're the strongest boy in the world!"

by ericking on May 24, 2011 3:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Im mainly jealous that they seem to be immune to injury.

They can be happy with their Durant; I was equally happily with a pre-injury Roy.

by Stryder9 on May 24, 2011 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kevin Durant is one of my favorite players

I’ve liked Collison and Sefolosha for a few years now. The lineup is filled with likable guys.

That being said, I cannot root for a team owned by Clay Bennett. It has nothing to do with the players, everything to do with ownership.

To me, rooting for the Thunder would be like choosing to do business with Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities because “they have a bunch of nice brokers”.

by Storyteller on May 24, 2011 4:11 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Yeah Bennett is a piece of work. Also that business partner of his..

can’t think of his name. Guy who came out in like 07’ and said they never intended to keep the Sonics in town. Huge douche.

"I've got pocket kings and I'm all in," - Kevin Garnett. Well KG, good thing I have pocket Aces then huh?

by Blazers 4 Life on May 24, 2011 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

If this same team were, say, the Pacers (or some other “neutral” team), I would like them a lot.

Instead they are a walking representation of everything that is wrong with pro sports, and seeing any success out of them whatsoever hurts my soul (just a bit).

I was truly hoping Durant and Westbrook would turn down extensions and go elsewhere, that way I could root for them. Instead, they stayed in OKC, and now they are part of an organization that simply MUST fail. If they don’t, I will have lost just a little bit of the hope I have that people as scummy as Clay Bennett will get what they deserve in life.

by thevolv on May 25, 2011 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

no, you aren’t the only one.

long live the jd.

by jksnake99 on May 24, 2011 4:12 PM PDT reply actions  

No I don't hate them

Beyond being a Blazer fan, I’m a sports fan, I enjoy watching good and entertaining games. I like OKC alright, the D’Antoni/Nash Suns were my 2nd favorite team, at this point I don’t even hate the Lakers. The only NBA team I really dislike is Denver. The Steelers, Patriots and Yankees are the only sports team’s I’d even come close to “hating”

Say it ain't Cho

by Sean in Vancouver on May 24, 2011 4:20 PM PDT reply actions  

However, with that said

it must be a cruel joke by the basketball gods, that Daequan Cook made it to the WCF’s before GO did.

Say it ain't Cho

by Sean in Vancouver on May 24, 2011 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't hate the players.....much.

I know it isn’t logical or reasonable, but I resent Kevin Durant. Not because we didn’t get him, not because he’s a great player, but because everyone compares him to Oden which is patently absurd and unfair. No matter how good Oden becomes he’s always going to be haunted by his injuries and he’s always going to be compared to Durant despite the fact that he’s not built like Durant, he’s doesn’t play the same position as Durant and the roles of the two players for their respective teams are completely different, not to mention the fact that we didn’t need a power forward in that draft.

I do greatly dislike Clay Bennett though. The guy did just about everything that makes my skin crawl. He’s totally dishonest and he’s been rewarded for it. There’s nothing to like about Bennett and so the less success his franchise sees and the more money he loses personally the happier I will be. What he did to Seattle was at the very least perjury and he deserved to have a much different outcome enforced upon him than he did.

That’s not to say that I agree with how the city of Seattle and the officials in Olympia handled the situation was even remotely conducive to the long-term success of the franchise in Seattle, but that’s another subject.

"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."

by Seijeff on May 24, 2011 5:34 PM PDT reply actions  

Yes

You are.

The Camby man

by OneTeam on May 24, 2011 5:35 PM PDT reply actions  

yes

Fire Nate; hire Rick Adelman
(time and money cures all wounds)
trade for Iggy
goal for next year: go year without using hardship exemption

by thomasikehara on May 24, 2011 7:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Meh...I am ambivalent far as OKC is concerned.

I reserve my hate for the lakers. I’ve never even hated the Sonics when they existed, nor have much contempt for guys like Clay Bennett, as I don’t peg him as the villain in that debacle. Their ownership took financial losses to bring that team into their hometown. Their team is built the right way and is an elite team even though they do not have the resources the big market teams or even we have.

The guy I reserve my hate for is Howard Schultz. Most Sonics fans know why he’s the one that was truly responsible for the demise of the Sonics.

The cake was a lie.

by xedubx on May 24, 2011 7:42 PM PDT reply actions  

if you dont hate the thunder

then the terrorists win

Fire Nate; hire Rick Adelman
(time and money cures all wounds)
trade for Iggy
goal for next year: go year without using hardship exemption

by thomasikehara on May 25, 2011 1:25 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

Not at all.

They’re a lot of fun to watch. I’m still pulling for the Mavs—my respect for Dirk has skyrocketed during these playoffs—but I’d root for the Thunder against any Eastern team, and many Western teams, too. Love Durant and Harden.

by VTDuck on May 25, 2011 9:56 AM PDT reply actions  

I like how Durrant buttons his shirts up all the way and wears that backpack and has undercover really weird tattoos. I don’t like the OKC crowd or the teams ownership, but that’s not usually who I’d be rooting for. I don’t hate them. I’m in awe of their health, that’s for sure.

by 50backflips on May 25, 2011 2:16 PM PDT reply actions  

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