Windhorst: Rose Garden Was "Just All Over" LeBron James
There's an interesting discussion between Bill Simmons and Brian Windhorst on their recent B.S. Report podcast in which the two recount the evolving personality of Miami Heat forward LeBron James. Windhorst, of course, has covered James since his early high school days, moving to Miami when James bolted the Cleveland Cavaliers last summer.
While James is tearing it up in the playoffs -- scoring 10 straight points to eliminate the Boston Celtics and advance to the Eastern Conference finals, where he will face the Chicago Bulls -- it wasn't always smooth sailing. Windhorst described a withdrawn, unemotional James early in the season and catalogues some of the vitriol that he received on the road. One of the first cities that comes to mind is Portland and the two discuss what impact that night had on James' personality and season.
Here's a transcript of the exchange.
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Brian Windhorst: "He was really surprised that he got booed everywhere he went."
Bill Simmons: "I agree. I think he was shocked."
BW: "There was a night in Memphis and, believe it or not, that was one of the places they really booed him. There were a couple of surprising places. Portland, they were just all over him in Portland in mid-January.
"He got booed in Memphis one night and they lost that game, it was a rough night, that was the night Udonis Haslem got hurt, they lost on a last second shot, Rudy Gay hit an amazing shot coming off of a screen, LeBron was all over him, Rudy just made a great play. They were struggling, they'd started their rough start. LeBron was like, 'I don't understand why people are booing me in Memphis. I mean I get it in Cleveland. I never said I was going to come to Memphis. I never had any involvement with these fans.' He was legitimately surprised by it, he was legitimately taken aback by the dislike he was getting everywhere."
BS: "By the time he got to that Portland game, which I watched, in mid-January, I felt like he had now decided to embrace it. That was the first game I remember him actually toying with the crowd, kind of, 'bring it on' so to speak."
BW: "He tried but it didn't stick. After that game, you're right, when the crowd was booing him, he led a comeback, they won that game in overtime. He actually had a remarkable game that night, he was playing center guarding Marcus Camby in overtime. It was remarkable. When the crowd was booing him, he was gesturing, 'Go ahead, keep booing, keep booing.'
"After the game, we sort of asked him, 'Are you embracing this now?' And he sort of said gave an answer like, 'Yeah, yeah, I'm embracing it, you've got to embrace it.' So I wrote all that. The next day, I heard from somebody in his camp. 'Why are you writing that LeBron is embracing the villain?' I said, 'Because that's what he said last night.' I could tell even the people close to him didn't think he was doing that.
"He sort of backed off of that over the next few weeks. He's sort of gotten to the point now where he's numb to it. [The booing has] been tempered a bit too, it's not quite the same as what it earlier in the season.
"It took him awhile to get used to that. He came around in December. They won like 22 out of 23 games. That obviously helped. He was not anything like himself for the first six or eight weeks of the year. It took him a little to get numb, to just flat out getting booed, to being disliked. He was used to being cheered everywhere."
BS: "I think it definitely hardened him a little bit."
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Here's the Media Row Report from that night. The video of James spanking himself during that game was, unfortunately, removed from YouTube.
-- Ben Golliver | benjamin.golliver@gmail.com | Twitter
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by DigitalDaggers on May 13, 2011 10:06 AM PDT reply actions 4 recs
Interesting Discussion.
I guess I’m in a major minority from the POV that LeBrons decision to leave Cleveland never bothered me.
The circus called “The Decision” riled a lot of fans. Understandably.
But I think this discussion reveals something I always suspected, and that’s the degree of insulation a star the magnitude of LeBron James get’s surrounded with. I don’t think from within, LeBron James did fully realize how badly he was coming off from the outside.
My guess, because it is not a circle I travel within, but my guess is a star the magnitude of LeBron James is constantly surrounded with people telling them everything they do is right, great, clever and brilliant.
So I’m not suprised that perhaps when he got out on the open court of competing N.B.A. teams he was probably suprised at the level of negativity aimed towards him. The Portland game specifically he did not help endear himself with his Butt Spanking gestures.
Clevelands hurt and angst over losing LeBron will slowly dissapate. Things get forgotten, and new things remembered. Some success? Great Success? LeBron will simply become that Great Player for Miami.
The Golden Boy innocence that LeBron briefly had- is probably gone forever. But people love success, and I think ultimately success will define LeBron.
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
Reaching for my hanky...
I still believe in Greg Oden. The Blazers' medical staff? Not so much.
I'd change my handle to "bringback'09," but I'm too lazy.
A video of the spanking
Me: "I heard the BCS just bought March Madness.......the vote should be out tomorrow and we will see Duke and Kansas in the championship game"
Me: "I heard the BCS just bought March Madness.......the vote should be out tomorrow and we will see Duke and Kansas in the championship game"
by 92wastheyear on May 14, 2011 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
being booed at in an opponent's arena?
gee…what a new concept.
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by Tofu Anonymous on May 13, 2011 11:07 AM PDT reply actions
I'd much rather Lebron and the Heat win the title than Durant and the Thunder
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
Look, here's the way I see it
(similar to wanting Auburn to beat Oregon as a Beaver fan)
We have no direct rivalry or connection to the Heat. They are just an Eastern Conference mega team. The Thunder, otoh, are a young up-and-coming team in our own division. If they win the title you and I and all Blazer fans will be hearing about it for a looooong time. If the Heat win? Who cares? It’s just the status quo. I’ll take that all day over giving a rival bragging rights. If the Ducks had won the BCS title I would have heard about it my ENTIRE LIFE, or at least until the Beavs got one, which is unlikely. Why do we want the young team in our own division, FORMERLY OUR BITTER RIVAL THE SEATTLE SUPERSONICS (I actually hate them much more now for leaving Seattle how they did), to have bragging rights and a leg up on us.
That’s crap, it ain’t disgusting to want the title in the East or with the expected winners like the Lakers/Celtics as opposed to a different team right here in our NW division. And not all of us hate Lebron FYI, so I’m not sure why it’s disgusting. I think it’s disgusting you want the Thunder to have a title notch in their belt.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
by sammymohawk on May 13, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
If OKC can actually get by the Mavs and Miami actually get by the Bulls
Don’t you think all we would hear is the Darling OKC and their Darling KD, regargless of whether they won the title or not.
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Yes
but I think if they win the title the hype will be insufferable for me. I respect the Thunder and Durant, I just don’t want them winning titles they can hang over our head. That’s a huge accomplishment…so is getting to the finals/BCS Championship, but it’s not nearly on the level of bringing it home. I think it would be cool if the Mavs, Bulls, or Grizzlies won it, and I’d prefer the Heat to the Thunder.
"If I had a dime for every basket I made today, you'd still suck!" - from the book 'John Dies @ the End'
I'm with you on this one.
I don’t really care if Miami wins. I’m satisfied anyway that it’s not LA or Boston for the moment. Miami doesn’t have a storied legacy like those two, so…so what if they win it. And I’d rather we reach the finals before the Thunder too (although that’s looking less and less likely). The only thing worse than the Thunder getting to the finals is that they (hypothetically) do with our very own Greg Oden. Talk about a team totally leaching our draft picks!
As an ex-Sonics fan, the Thunder winning the NBA Finals would for me be similar to ...
how fans in Cleveland felt when the Baltimore Ravens won its Super Bowl. I don’t want to see that.
"They say it has no memory. That’s where I want to live the rest of my life. A warm place with no memory."
didn't know you were a sonics fan ak...
that would be terrible. i was living in cleveland around that time – what a tortured people, the cleveland sports fans…
OKC is just another direct competitor to me but Lebron is a villain.
But he’s not a villain like a pro wrestler or a hockey goonthat you take a certain pleasure in booing. He represents the worst behavior possible for an athlete that doesn’t involve assault, drugs, or cheating. He’s the poster child for the rich athlete that secretly despises the fans and publicly shows it by displays of arrogance and impoliteness to the world at large. If his career ended tomorrow I’d be the first to cheer. Let the devil take LeBron and good riddance.
Most athlete's are like that you will be hateing on most of them
Its what they can do on the court ,Is the only thing that you can respect because that only thing we see,

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